0:00

It's Tuesday, April 16th, and

0:02

his most important constituency is about to be narrowed

0:04

down to 12 people. We

0:07

start here. Donald

0:10

Trump's hush money trial begins in New

0:12

York. He was engaged with his lawyers.

0:15

He occasionally had his eyes closed, as if

0:18

in thought. We go inside court, as jurors

0:20

are asked if they can be impartial in

0:22

this case. The Pentagon prepares

0:24

for Israel's response in Iran. We

0:27

shot down these drones and missiles,

0:29

but this is not over. Why

0:31

U.S. officials are telling Israel we're

0:34

not helping. And a phone

0:36

scam turns deadly. The mail on the phone was

0:38

trying to get money from you, and she was

0:40

knocking on the door at the same time. Yeah.

0:43

Now the guy who picked up the phone is

0:45

being charged with murder. From

0:49

ABC News, this is Start Here. I'm

0:51

Brad Milkey. The

0:59

concept of American justice is that no one

1:02

is above the law. If you're accused of

1:04

committing a crime, you'll go before a jury

1:06

of your peers, a pretty random assortment of

1:08

people from the community who will hear both

1:10

sides and make a judgment. So imagine what

1:12

it would be like to show up for

1:14

jury duty and be informed the man sitting

1:16

at the defense table, in your case, will

1:19

be Donald Trump and that you might be

1:21

part of the first criminal trial against a

1:23

former U.S. president, ever. That

1:27

was the scene yesterday in Manhattan, as

1:29

jurors began arriving at a New York courthouse

1:31

for the case known as the people of

1:34

New York State versus Donald J. Trump. ABC

1:36

senior investigative correspondent Eric Katerski was in the

1:39

room for all this. He's outside the courthouse

1:41

now. Aaron, a lot to get to here.

1:43

First off, though, what was it like when

1:45

Trump showed up for this trial? We've

1:48

seen him in courtrooms before. Court

1:50

appearances are now fully woven into his political

1:52

strategy. So when he left Trump Tower, there

1:54

was a wave. When he got back, there

1:56

was the fist bump. We saw him Stern-faced.

2:00

Knowing. Exactly where the cameras were when

2:02

they when the photographers were allowed in

2:04

for a minute at the start before

2:06

the judge took the bench. but otherwise

2:08

the customary bombast that you see in

2:10

the hallway really subsides. He's. A

2:13

descendant at the defense table and he was

2:15

engaged with his lawyers that he occasionally had

2:17

his eyes closed as if in thought. Sometimes

2:19

he would tug on the sleeve of his

2:22

attorney, Todd Blanche to get his attention if

2:24

he heard something. Maybe he wanted his defense

2:26

attorney to respond to an at one point

2:28

the defence attorney seem to tap Trump on

2:31

the on the arm as if to say

2:33

okay I, I got it So he is

2:35

following along. When potential jurors were answering from

2:37

a seven page questionnaire, Trump held the questionnaire

2:40

in one hand and slip through the pages

2:42

with. The other. As. The that potential

2:44

jurors went through the responses. Were.

2:46

And even before the jurors themselves heard

2:48

from him, even before the jurors were

2:50

even being selected and and argued over,

2:52

they had some pre trial hearing that

2:54

actually people were not necessarily expecting. and

2:56

this was probably some of the newsiest

2:58

stuff of the day. I mean, who

3:00

came out ahead? In terms of some

3:02

of these rulings, it cut both ways.

3:04

rat. On one hand, the prosecutors are

3:07

going to be allowed to call Karen

3:09

Mcdougall, the former Playboy model who has

3:11

said that the National Enquirer paid her

3:13

costs money in order to keep quiet

3:15

about her alleged sexual encounter with. Donald

3:17

Trump that he denies. But

3:19

the. Judge also said prosecutors are limited

3:21

in what they can do with the

3:23

Access Hollywood tape, the one on which

3:25

Trump is heard boasting about grabbing women.

3:27

The judge said prosecutors can quote from

3:29

it, but they cannot play the tape

3:32

from the jury. He said that. Having

3:34

the jury here that tape and

3:37

Trump's own voice would be extremely

3:39

prejudicial. And. One of the things we've been

3:41

talking about so much with this criminal trial is how non

3:43

negotiable it is that you. Be. right?

3:45

How much that will eat into the from president's

3:47

campaign time? I mean, did we get a better

3:49

sense of that's actually how intensive this is gonna

3:51

be. Any. Time the jury is

3:54

there, the former President needs to be

3:56

in court as well. The judge made

3:58

that clear, so if there is something

4:00

the outside, the jury's present some kind

4:03

of hearing. Perhaps Trump can skip that.

4:05

But by and large the judge fully

4:07

expects that Donald Trump is going to

4:09

be in court and that conflicted with

4:12

a request from his attorneys. And this

4:14

seem bound to happen given how the

4:16

defense has complained that the trial is

4:19

getting or in a way of the

4:21

campaign trail or over the next several

4:23

weeks Trump wanted to attend the Us

4:25

Supreme Court arguments when he is going

4:28

to argue next week about Presidential immunity.

4:30

And the judge said it is a big

4:33

deal to argue before the Us Supreme Court,

4:35

but he said being a criminal defendant on

4:37

trial in New York is also a big

4:39

deal and he expects comes to be here.

4:42

Will. And so then in the afternoon kind of the

4:44

real stars of the show sewn up which has the

4:46

potential jurors right? This huge jury pool that they're not

4:49

gonna try to sift through mean what? What did we

4:51

learn about the cross section of people and sort of

4:53

the guess what prosecutors and defense or going after here

4:55

because yeah, going to find people who does. Haven't heard

4:58

of this defendant. He of the issue

5:00

isn't bread. Whether you've heard of Donald Trump

5:02

who hasn't he is the been a one

5:04

of the most famous people on the planet.

5:06

The issue is whether you can be fair

5:08

and impartial In there was one woman she's

5:10

in her thirties, she lives in Harlem. She

5:13

works at retail. And. See.

5:15

Answered yes to a question on

5:17

the questionnaire that ask whether she

5:20

had strong views about. The.

5:22

Former Presidents that could interfere with her

5:24

ability to be fair and impartial and

5:26

the judge excuse her right away. But.

5:29

There was one guy, a bookseller

5:31

from the Upper West Side who

5:33

said that he believes everyone a

5:35

sitting president, a former president, a

5:38

janitor is entitled to. Be.

5:40

In court and no one is above the

5:42

law and so he was allowed to stay

5:44

on the jury pool. And

5:47

what an interesting cross section of

5:49

people bread who showed up with

5:51

their jury summons to courts the

5:53

on college he nurse the bookseller

5:55

from the upper west side a

5:58

woman who works at Bloomingdales. Someone

6:00

who works. As an

6:02

attorney who said his wife is

6:04

pregnant with the couple's first child

6:06

and none of them. Said.

6:09

That they put Donald Trump at the

6:11

center of their lives. Nobody had read

6:13

his books. Nobody said they attended one

6:16

of his rallies. Nobody said they attended

6:18

a rally anti Trump either. These are

6:20

people ordinary folks who have jobs who

6:22

have lies and who potentially could be

6:24

as to sit in judgment of their

6:27

former President. The very

6:29

different than than sort of the crowds gather

6:31

outside these court houses. and in that yet

6:33

and this cross section you referring to probably

6:35

a better indication of how most Americans had

6:37

been dealing with this throughout the years. I

6:39

am pretty risky from outside court. Thanks so

6:41

much Thank you Bet. Esteban

6:46

start your when you launch three hundred

6:48

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and Good Morning America, Pop Culture Moms is

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out now, wherever you listen to pull it

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back. This

8:40

morning, the world continues to wonder

8:42

if Iran's massive air assault on

8:44

Israel this weekend will be seen

8:46

as payback or escalation. Because

8:50

if it's the former, if Israel treats

8:52

this as retribution for a strike against

8:54

Iranian military officials earlier this month, well,

8:56

that can be that. Iran

8:58

can move on, especially since virtually all

9:00

of Iran's missiles were intercepted. But

9:04

if that's not how Israel sees it, if they

9:06

decide this is a step way over the line

9:08

from the Iranians, well, then you'd expect

9:10

a military response and the fallout

9:12

that comes with it. Let's

9:15

check in with ABC's chief global affairs correspondent,

9:17

Martha Raddatz. Martha, you've been working your sources

9:19

since the moment this was beginning on Saturday.

9:22

I guess as we look back at just the attack

9:24

itself, what details stick out to you about it and

9:26

the response from the Israelis and the Americans? I

9:29

think what is remarkable about this is not

9:31

only the fact that they managed

9:33

to disable or shoot down all

9:35

of those drones, almost all of

9:37

those drones and missiles, but the

9:40

coordination it took. I think

9:42

you had the head of CENTCOM going

9:44

to Israel just before these strikes started.

9:46

And I'm sure what he was doing

9:49

is trying to coordinate with the allies

9:51

who helped out, trying to coordinate with Israel.

9:53

Just imagine what the sky looked like

9:55

that night. missiles.

10:00

You saw the interception, but what you

10:02

really never saw was the fighter

10:04

jets, dozens of fighter jets, US and

10:06

Israeli fighter jets. Everybody had to coordinate.

10:09

We had US ships at sea, the

10:11

Mediterranean, the Red Sea, all

10:13

the while sharing data with one

10:15

another so they don't shoot each other down,

10:18

but tracking these missiles all

10:20

along the way, sharing this radar data, sharing

10:23

everything. But up in the skies that

10:25

night, it was pretty amazing what

10:27

they were able to coordinate and in

10:29

the end, very successfully get rid of

10:31

those missiles and drones. So with that

10:34

success in mind, I guess the big

10:36

question is, is this over from Israel's

10:38

point of view? Absolutely not. And a

10:41

senior US official I spoke to said,

10:43

look, the world may be celebrating the

10:45

fact that we shot down these drones

10:48

and missiles, but this is not over.

10:50

It is not. And the US, according

10:52

to the senior US official, is quite

10:55

certain Israel will respond in some

10:57

way. Iran, the number one global

11:00

sponsor of terror, has exposed its

11:02

true face as the destabilizer

11:05

of the region and the world.

11:07

And now, right now, is when the

11:10

world must stop ignoring Iran's crimes

11:12

and take action. And this is

11:14

something they've prepped for for a very,

11:16

very long time. Israel knows exactly what

11:18

they would do in an attack on

11:20

Iran. The question is, how big an

11:23

attack? I think the US is comfortable

11:25

with the fact that it would be,

11:28

or maybe not comfortable, but they believe

11:30

that what the targets would be would

11:32

no doubt be military facilities. They don't

11:34

believe that Israel would go further than

11:36

that. But even that is very, very

11:38

worrisome to the US. Yeah. What does

11:40

that mean for the Biden administration? How

11:43

is the White House handling this relationship,

11:45

I guess, right now? The White House, as you

11:47

know, and they've been public about this, that President Biden

11:49

has talked and hopes

11:51

that Israel understands they've already had

11:54

a victory in a sense, that

11:56

there was no grave damage from

11:58

Iran. United States

12:00

does not seek escalation, we will

12:02

continue to take all necessary action

12:05

to defend Israel and U.S. personnel.

12:07

But for the Israelis, you know,

12:09

Iran hit their soil. It wasn't

12:12

hitting anyplace else or something. I mean,

12:14

and it would be the first time

12:17

Israel hit Iranian soil. But

12:19

President Biden has been clear with

12:22

Prime Minister Netanyahu trying to say,

12:24

look, please don't overdo this. Please,

12:27

please be calm about this. You've already

12:29

got a win on your

12:31

hands here. But

12:34

they just don't know. And the real

12:36

concern, the real concern is how Iran

12:38

will then respond. If

12:41

the U.S. initiates military

12:43

operation against Iran, its

12:46

citizen or its

12:48

security and interests, Iran will

12:50

use its inherent right to

12:53

respond proportionately. And

12:55

that is why the U.S.

12:57

will not involve itself in

12:59

any sort of offensive action

13:01

with the Israelis. Defense, they're

13:03

OK. Offense, forget

13:06

it. That's interesting. OK, that's a

13:08

helpful delineation. And then even if Iran, Iran

13:10

says like, we're going to stand down, if

13:12

you'll stand down, as you said, very likely

13:14

that Israel is like, no, this is not

13:16

over. But even if Iran did

13:18

stand down, that doesn't even mean it's it has all these

13:21

proxies around the region. It doesn't

13:23

mean they would stop firing at Israel. Right. So does

13:25

that mean you're going to continue having these sorts of

13:27

like provocations, at least whether Iran claims them or not?

13:30

I think you you will no

13:32

matter what, because that isn't about

13:34

Iran and Israel. That

13:36

is about specifically the war in

13:39

Gaza. So those proxies

13:41

will more than likely continue

13:43

to fire missiles and drones.

13:45

As you said, not over, especially when you

13:47

consider the war in Gaza. All right. Martha

13:50

Raddatz in Washington. Thank you so much. I

13:58

don't know about you, but I'm continuously getting. Check

14:00

from unknown numbers asking stuff like hi,

14:02

are you interested in a job? Or

14:04

maybe even. are we still meeting for dinner

14:07

tonight? This is not some one I've actually.

14:09

Met It is someone trying to industry

14:11

the conversation office with some kind of

14:13

scam and mind text and pulls like

14:15

this can be really annoying but recently.

14:17

In Ohio we saw how high the stakes

14:19

can be as when a scammer is. Able

14:22

to make inroads with victims Scout Cameo

14:24

on my part of try to Get

14:26

Money for a year it was knocking

14:28

on door to say time Here is

14:30

what Beyond money it ended up with

14:32

a woman to be instilled a disease

14:34

Alex Burrows been following this Alex What

14:36

happened here is yeah Brad This is

14:39

this one of those really unbelievable stories

14:41

where this scam but and lead to

14:43

afraid power the and lead to a

14:45

situation that I just don't think a

14:47

lot of people would have predicted south.

14:49

Both people involved here police say were

14:51

victims. Of the same scam

14:53

artists Now, according to police,

14:55

eighty one year old William

14:58

Broth had been receiving a

15:00

number of phone calls over

15:02

several days are allegedly saying

15:04

that a relative was incarcerated

15:06

and the color was demanding.

15:09

Twelve. Thousand dollars to bail

15:11

this alleged incarcerate a relative

15:13

out of jail. I'm on

15:15

the morning of the shootings

15:17

March Twenty Fifth Police say

15:19

the scam artist called Brock

15:21

and told him that a

15:23

driver was coming. By. His

15:26

self charleston Ohio home to

15:28

pick up the package with

15:31

the money. Shortly thereafter arrives

15:33

Uber driver Lisa Hall. Who.

15:36

Police say had no idea what

15:39

was going on as she simply

15:41

picked up a fair for this

15:43

override to pick up a package.

15:47

All of this was actually captured

15:49

on the leave the halls-board cameras.

15:54

Homer. She

15:58

was confronted by Brock who. The

16:00

armed with a handgun. Not.

16:04

Knowing what exactly was going on, she

16:06

tried to escape and get to safety.

16:09

Police say he took her cell phone.

16:12

And as he tried to get in her

16:14

car, he shot her three times and she

16:16

later died. We. And so. This.

16:19

Is Super Zoc some imagining and eighty one

16:22

year old man getting a call about bail

16:24

or something like that? He might think that

16:26

the person who's driving the car is going

16:28

on. Any if both people are considered victims

16:30

of. A scam artist? How how

16:32

to our law enforcement reading the shooter?

16:34

I guess. Well A In this case

16:36

the shooter has been charged with murder Now.

16:39

On one particular case scenario, emergency. Officials

16:41

say he he kind of took

16:43

this into his own hands or

16:45

sharia right? First time I saw

16:47

during the shoulder or pay for

16:49

your side or another episode or

16:52

if he actually confronted her and

16:54

shot her three times before he

16:56

called police. Why did you do

16:58

that? Because our britain that she

17:00

was going from filming see threaten

17:02

to tell you know the guy

17:04

on the phone since. I

17:07

target. Very

17:10

our my authorities say after reviewing

17:12

that as from video this driver

17:14

was not posing a threat to

17:16

a Mister Brock and and that's

17:18

why he's been charged with murder

17:21

Like it. because it's almost more

17:23

clear when you see this video

17:25

from the-cam the guys basically holding

17:27

this woman at gunpoint, she's terrified,

17:29

she's crying for help, he's wife,

17:31

she's black for whatever that's worth

17:33

and then he should serve nonfatal.

17:35

He multiple times season mobile and

17:37

issue so again so clearly it

17:39

looks. Above and beyond, he's pleaded

17:41

not guilty, Do. we know anything

17:43

about the person who even place the

17:45

call in the first place by the

17:47

ways that person even around so when

17:49

when officers responded to that shooting and

17:51

they were apps william bronx home the

17:53

phone was ringing off the hook they said

17:55

in an officer answer that phone and

17:57

it was actually they believe the skin

18:00

artist who was calling to

18:02

inquire about the money that

18:04

he had been expecting. And

18:07

that officer tried to arrange a meeting

18:09

with the alleged scam artist and the

18:11

scam artist told the officer, sure, I'll

18:13

meet you there at this time. But

18:15

of course, that scam artist never showed

18:17

up. And then one other interesting detail

18:19

here, Brad authorities have been trying to

18:21

trace this phone number that had been

18:23

calling Mr. Brock over and over

18:25

over the course of several weeks and that phone

18:27

number was traced

18:30

to Canada. But unfortunately, officials believe

18:32

it's a burner phone, so it's

18:34

not really leading them to any

18:36

suspects at this time. Well,

18:39

and Alex, I guess I just keep coming back

18:42

to if you have these calls happening, regardless of

18:44

who the people on the other end of the

18:46

lines are, the caller, the scammer

18:48

is amping the stakes up so high, right?

18:50

We've heard of other scammers using AI generated

18:52

voices that sound like the voice of your

18:54

kids, right? The person's so

18:56

scared and vulnerable. What do

18:58

authorities say people should do about it? Yeah,

19:01

Brad, it's really unbelievable the number of calls

19:04

and text messages that people are receiving

19:06

these days. AI scams that actually

19:08

mimic people's voices. All of a sudden I

19:10

hear mommy's bad men have me. Help me,

19:12

help me, help me. A lot of

19:14

times these scam artists will try to pull

19:17

on emotional strings with people, tell you it's

19:20

a relative or a family member or someone

19:22

that you care about. Unfortunately,

19:24

it works in many cases,

19:26

as we've seen people fall victim to this.

19:29

Authorities are just reminding people over and

19:32

over that if it

19:34

sounds suspicious, it probably is. And

19:36

also reminding people that the

19:38

court system, police officers and

19:41

other officials will not call

19:43

you and demand money. If someone is

19:45

calling you and demanding that you hand over

19:47

deliver money, something is wrong and you should

19:50

probably call police right away. Really

19:52

disturbing story here. Uber, by the way, says they're

19:54

cooperating with law enforcement on all this. Alex

19:56

Perez, thanks so much. Thanks, Brad. Okay,

20:02

one more quick break. When we come back, I was trying

20:04

to figure out why I haven't been sleeping all night, then

20:06

it dawned on me. One last thing is

20:08

next. And

20:11

one last thing. I'm

20:14

no scientist, but I'm pretty confident in saying

20:16

there is a direct link between how much

20:18

I sleep and how pleasant I am to

20:20

be around. Well, if everyone's like that, bad

20:23

news for us all, because surveys now show

20:25

Americans sleeping less than ever. Yesterday,

20:28

Gallup put out a new poll showing that

20:30

only about a quarter of Americans are getting

20:32

the recommended eight hours of sleep per night.

20:36

The majority say they get six or seven hours, 20% say they

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get five hours or less. The

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nice thing about Gallup is they've been asking this question for

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decades, so we can track it over time. And we are

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getting less sleep than Americans did in 1990 or

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2000, let alone compared to

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1942, when even during a war, more than

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half the country was getting its eight hours

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of shut-eye. What's extra interesting about

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these numbers is who is affected most.

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Women are significantly less likely to say

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they feel like they're getting enough sleep

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compared to men. Young people are less

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likely to get a good night's sleep than

21:08

older folks. And in the same poll, these

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are the exact groups who say they were

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experiencing more stress than just a few years

21:15

ago. We're talking about women, particularly younger women.

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And this isn't a recent thing, either. The

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stress numbers have been rising steadily since 2003.

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Part of this could be the lopsided expectations of

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young moms versus young dads. Some

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of it could be due to the digital

21:30

revolution over the last two decades. Like, when

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is a young professional truly away from work,

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or, for that matter, social pressures? The one

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thing we know is, study after study shows

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people who get a good night's sleep are

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much likelier to say they are happy in

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their lives. So, get some Z's, please. I

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kid you not, my wife was talking in her sleep the other night,

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and the words coming out of her mouth were, I

21:53

can't sleep. Like, that seems indicative of the problem here.

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We're even thinking about how we can't sleep when we're

21:57

sleeping. And by the way, this is pretty much it.

21:59

what podcasts are good for you guys. You don't need

22:02

to wake up just for us. You can sleep in.

22:04

We'll still be here if ready for a download when

22:06

you're ready. More on all these stories at abcnews.com or

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the ABC News app. I'm Brad Milkey. See you tomorrow.