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radio. Welcome

2:07

back to starting strength radio. Yes.

2:15

That it's so good to be here with all of

2:17

you people today. Today,

2:21

we're gonna do call in q and eight.

2:24

That's as opposed to our paper q and

2:27

a. Paper q and a looks kinda like this.

2:29

We have you know, questions. That

2:32

you have written to us in various

2:35

places where

2:37

we take such questions. And then we

2:39

print them out and we sit down and read them and then

2:41

we discuss. Your

2:44

your questions and, you

2:46

know, entertain ourselves with

2:52

the various aspects of various

2:54

topics that come up in various

2:56

questions from various

3:00

questioners. Right? So

3:04

today, we're gonna do a little different. We're gonna

3:06

have we have a telephone line

3:08

set up. A line set

3:11

up. It's

3:12

kind of a holdover from the

3:16

days of your, and it -- Yeah. -- when

3:19

there was a line from

3:22

them to us and you talked

3:25

over the line. Right? The wire.

3:27

Yeah. Yep.

3:29

We'd call it a lion, but Yeah.

3:32

It's just, you know, everything's done. Over

3:35

the airwaves at this point

3:38

in the history of the human race

3:40

and We're gonna take your

3:42

airwave questions here

3:45

in just a few minutes, but first,

3:54

come elements from

4:01

The heaters. Excellent.

4:07

Excellent. Some of the best reverb you've ever done

4:09

there. Oh, I know. Yeah. I'm I'm getting

4:11

better at that, aren't it? Three

4:13

years later. Three years later,

4:16

you practice said every couple weeks. Yeah.

4:19

Just like anything else? Yeah. Right?

4:24

Training? Practice 205 model.

4:26

That's right. Alright. Now,

4:30

this is a particularly scaling

4:34

batch. Of comments from the haters

4:36

this time. Good.

4:37

They've been kinda late lately. They've

4:38

been last one we did was just

4:40

we shouldn't even have done it really. But

4:43

this, I think, is worth our time. Good back. Good

4:45

back. This one

4:47

is alright. So

4:49

liberated mind says, Sorry,

4:52

this is crap. This

4:54

is about the bendover when you squat

4:58

on the platform. Yet your video up.

5:01

No. Yeah. No. That's yours. Yeah.

5:03

That's yours. It's the old one. It's the

5:05

old. Oh. Sorry. The

5:07

scrap, the squat, supposed to be a

5:09

quad dominant movement for

5:12

posterior chain due dead lifts.

5:16

I thought the deadlift was a back

5:18

exercise. Yeah. I

5:19

don't know. Would have been a much stronger hater comment

5:22

if you just would have said, this is crap in

5:24

period. And just

5:25

stop. Stop. Well, I've got one

5:27

of those. Same

5:30

guy. In fact, oh, good. LIBERATED

5:32

mind says, Trash

5:34

exercise. Nice. There you go. That's

5:36

referring to the squat. He didn't

5:39

lock it in, like, squat. No. He don't like it. Here,

5:42

let me mark that out SSR I don't have to read

5:44

it

5:44

again. I bet he's real strong.

5:46

He probably is. I'm

5:48

sure everybody's

5:49

a really good coach too. There's

5:51

no doubt. Yeah.

5:53

There's no doubt at all. I mean, we're I

5:56

mean, how would you form that

5:58

solid an opinion if you couldn't coach.

6:00

Yep. Right? Here's

6:03

one. Jimmy Lollington. Now

6:07

that's a gay wad name if I've ever

6:09

heard one. Jimmy

6:12

Lollington, the gay wad says, if

6:15

you don't wanna be an unathletic

6:17

fat arse like Rippetoe,

6:20

you probably wanna do some KB

6:22

work now and then. Because

6:27

the kettlebell is where athletes are created.

6:29

That's right.

6:31

I mean, if you can't swing the fucking kettlebell,

6:34

Yeah. What? And it's the

6:35

key to how you walk.

6:36

It's the key to unlocking favorable body

6:38

composition as well. Is it -- Right. --

6:40

oh, apparently? Yeah.

6:43

Yeah. I guess it is. I

6:45

mean, Jimmy Lollington

6:48

says that

6:51

KB swings. Yeah. KB swings

6:54

make you not fat.

7:02

And we still got some of those in the gym, you

7:04

know.

7:04

Yeah. I use them occasionally for the

7:07

to put phone. Yep. To lean

7:09

the phone on, we've got the door -- The door open

7:11

-- Yep. -- to the kitchen. That's

7:13

right. -- going right this minute. Yeah. Right

7:15

now. Yep. Right now, there's

7:17

one holding that door open. Being put

7:19

to good use Although the door didn't need to be

7:21

held

7:22

open, stays open without the kettlebell.

7:24

What else I can do? What are you gonna do with a cattle

7:26

bear? You've

7:27

got a decent collection of them just sitting there.

7:29

Yeah. I know. I gave most

7:31

of them away though. Right. I had a old bunch

7:33

more. Yeah. Yeah. Whole bunch up.

7:36

Yeah. So let's

7:38

see. Trap

7:41

bar. This

7:44

week's trap bar, I mean, Larry

7:49

Welch says he probably would

7:51

have kept sending his troops in

7:53

World War one to get mowed

7:56

down by machine

7:57

guns. That's what

7:59

everybody did.

8:04

Do you You

8:07

see a connection? No. Right.

8:10

And other than individual

8:12

by the name of Cimaret Numb

8:16

says, big

8:19

gut muscle talking, more

8:21

lifting, disgusted. It's

8:26

good.

8:27

Apparently, English is not. That's like

8:29

a What's

8:30

the Japanese poem? What's that? A haiku.

8:33

That's like a haiku. Yeah.

8:34

Yeah. Alright. Cool. That's

8:37

what this is. It must be.

8:41

Remember how your your

8:43

teachers and the public

8:45

schools used to have you write high

8:47

school's?

8:48

I do. Yeah. You know why they did

8:50

that? Easy Day for those. Easy.

8:52

Easy. Yeah. The public

8:54

school teachers are always looking for.

8:58

Easy whenever they can get it, you

9:00

know. Okay. Let's see.

9:04

This is the starting strength bench. We're

9:06

talking about beautiful starting strength

9:09

bench manufactured for us by

9:11

Texas Strength Systems. It's a

9:13

piece of oak mature block

9:15

on top of a finely welded

9:19

steel base. L0L

9:23

at beautiful

9:26

piece of furniture. I need

9:28

gym equipment, not

9:30

a coffee table.

9:34

Now, there's

9:34

That's a fresh comment too. There's a fresh

9:36

comment. Yeah.

9:38

Look into the mind of Mike Essen.

9:41

Oh, that guy's great. He used to

9:43

comment on every single Olympic lifting video.

9:46

Oh, real.

9:46

Oh, he's real pissed. Yeah.

9:49

He's very angry. I hope so.

9:51

Yeah. I hope he doesn't sleep.

9:54

It's it's funny. I haven't heard from Hey, Mike.

9:57

Fuck. We

9:58

haven't heard from him in a while.

9:59

You know what the fuck?

10:00

It's good to know he's still mad. How about you

10:03

churn on that a little while? It's good to know he

10:05

still watches our videos though. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

10:08

It is always good to know when people

10:10

that don't like us continue

10:13

to participate. Alright. Alright.

10:17

Here's is this in I

10:19

I well, this

10:24

I still don't understand how it is possible

10:27

to do a squat without breaking

10:30

your back or falling over.

10:33

Seems like you'd need

10:35

the balance and coordination of

10:37

an Olympic

10:38

gymnast. Oh, wow.

10:41

This is, of course, the it's

10:44

impressive. One of the squat

10:46

videos.

10:46

Yeah. I can't tell which one

10:48

will That's

10:49

an impressive intellectual leap

10:51

there, sir. don't know. I can't

10:53

determine who this guy genuinely

10:56

confused or his razor wet

10:58

was just so dry that I that

11:00

I just failed to appreciate the Anyway.

11:05

Alright. Now, not

11:09

many left. Alright. Flavor.

11:11

K? Savor them.

11:15

Okay. Common

11:17

mistakes. In

11:19

the dead left and how to fix them.

11:22

Alright. Some guy

11:24

named Reynolds. Here he says,

11:27

y'all area,

11:30

great, and all. But

11:33

the whole schtick about

11:36

Always in contact with the legs

11:38

is just wrong. Nobody

11:42

competitively lifts like that.

11:46

There is no point. You

11:48

just introduce extra unneeded

11:51

friction and

11:53

mess up the bar path. The

11:56

bar should travel close to the

11:58

legs. But if

12:00

your cue is always touching, that

12:03

does

12:04

that just does more harm

12:07

than good. Powerlifting.

12:10

Because I have I have noticed a lot of very

12:12

strong and very successful lifters

12:15

putting shit on their legs. Like, baby

12:17

powder, chong -- Baby powder, whatever.

12:19

-- baby powder on their legs indicates

12:23

the need for

12:25

some lubrication between the

12:27

leg

12:29

and something that

12:30

would be in time. That would be in

12:32

time intact with

12:34

the legs. That's

12:37

what I'm looking weird, man.

12:43

I don't know. We're obviously missing

12:45

something here.

12:47

You know, if for all the deadlifts

12:49

I've done, I have never thought to myself

12:51

man. This friction at my legs

12:53

is the

12:53

reason why I missed. Yeah. Yeah.

12:55

I freaking touched your legs is why you can't

12:57

touch your legs. I never I never understood

13:00

the whole deal, Rusty. If

13:02

you didn't touch your legs all the way

13:04

up, Well, you'd be pulling nine

13:05

hundred. Yeah. Yeah. SSR hundred. You'd be pulling

13:07

nine hundred. She's just that friction. Yeah.

13:10

Yeah. The friction just never understood the,

13:12

like, people putting a shitload of cornstarch

13:14

and all like, is it really that big of

13:16

a

13:16

deal? Right. Just never understood

13:18

it. Oh, it's just something to do. It's just something to do.

13:20

Yeah. It's something to do makes you look like lifter.

13:23

Yep. The greatest lifters

13:25

in the history of the sport used baby

13:27

powder. So -- Yeah. -- well, you gotta

13:29

do. Yeah. Why would you wanna be a great lifter?

13:32

Yeah. Who are you gonna do? Maybe how to You're gonna

13:34

do what they did. Right. Yeah. Right? Man,

13:39

just like nobody competitively lifts

13:42

like that. SSR

13:46

you wanna do what people who lift competitively

13:48

do? Because there's a point. Yeah.

13:51

Probably he's not even But you put baby powder.

13:53

But why do you put baby I don't know.

13:55

So anyway, Here

13:58

is another one about

14:00

common mistakes in the deadlift number.

14:02

Some by the someone by the name of Eric

14:04

Shutti. I would

14:06

like to know why started strength changed their

14:08

deadlift form from the older books

14:11

to what they teach now because the

14:13

new version is wrong. I

14:16

think out of anything, first

14:19

edition, second edition, third edition, the deadlift

14:21

setup has been the most

14:22

consistent. Except for maybe the explanation

14:25

of why, but the Yeah. No. No. -- the

14:28

steps have been the same as as long

14:30

as can remember. Saying,

14:33

well, apparently, Eric remembers better

14:35

than

14:36

you, dude. Yeah.

14:37

Yeah. Memory

14:40

alpha. He's the he's the guy that runs

14:43

memory alpha. Eric

14:45

Judy. Well, that whole

14:47

planet out there in that star

14:49

sector is run by Barracudy.

14:52

The the repository of old

14:55

human knowledge. Okay.

14:58

Now, Cooper Bradley,

15:03

Shouldn't it be Bradley Cooper?

15:05

Cooper Bradley. Oh, Bradley Bradley

15:07

Cooper? Bradley Cooper. Bradley

15:09

Cooper. It says Cooper Bradley. I

15:12

don't wonder if that's a clever

15:13

Yeah. Sounds like it. Pseudonium or

15:17

I don't know. What

15:19

is the point of a ninety kilo? A

15:21

ninety gram protein shake when the body

15:23

can only absorb around thirty

15:25

grams of protein in one sitting. Far

15:28

better to stretch out that

15:30

ninety grams over three meals

15:33

every two hours. Man,

15:36

I love that people still say that. People

15:39

still say that, you know, they just mindlessly

15:42

repeat what they've heard over

15:44

and over and over again.

15:46

Yeah. What happens to the other sixty

15:48

grams? You'd pee it out? Just Oh, it turns

15:51

the fat. You just it goes into toilets.

15:53

Turns the

15:53

fat too. I've heard that one. Oh, yeah. That's the fat.

15:56

Yeah. Well,

15:59

gotta do something with it. I feel turned it into

16:02

fat. Alright.

16:06

Here's one. This is probably the most useful

16:08

one. SSR

16:12

far, Daxi

16:15

Ball. That's

16:18

Daxi Boy. I can't

16:20

tell. Why,

16:24

w y, do

16:27

I keep seeing this.

16:30

The learning to Chris, starting

16:33

to drink method. That's awesome. Because

16:35

you keep looking at

16:36

get a comment, a comment. Why do

16:38

I keep seeing why do I keep because you

16:40

keep looking at it?

16:47

Oh, gotcha. Alright. That's enough of that shit.

16:49

Alright. Excellent. Alright. You can't deal with any

16:51

more of it. Not today. Sometimes

16:53

I just get sometimes I

16:55

just get reach saturation right

16:57

in the middle of a sentence something. Yep.

17:00

It's sad enough. So

17:03

that concludes this week's installment.

17:07

I think I'm gonna call him and installments instead

17:09

of episodes from now on. That's

17:12

actually the first time. Already

17:14

discussed this. The installments. episode is

17:16

the whole thing. Right? Yeah. An installment

17:19

of this whole

17:21

segment is an installment,

17:24

not an episode in and of itself. Right?

17:26

Right. Right. Right, now that

17:28

we've got all that straightened up for probably the

17:30

third or fourth time, that

17:33

concludes this week's installment

17:35

of Com

17:38

Hemments. From

17:43

the haters. Alright.

17:49

God, don't Alright.

17:51

Let's do it. Now it's time

17:54

for me to put my little headphone thing

17:56

in here and talk

17:59

to you. Let

18:01

me screw this in so that isn't

18:07

that weird? Beer,

18:09

dandruff. You ever get that? No. No.

18:13

No. No. You

18:15

know my skin's dry? Or what yeah. Must

18:18

be? Well, how do I

18:20

fix that? Do you have any idea,

18:22

lotion? And and and you

18:24

loathed?

18:25

Yeah.

18:25

I don't know about that. Oil. Yeah.

18:28

Don't know, man. A little bit of beard oil.

18:31

Beard oil. My face isn't good.

18:33

That sounds kind of calle It's pretty

18:35

clear.

18:37

He probably uses

18:37

I didn't use it. I didn't use it. It

18:40

keeps my beard soft and my skin hydrated.

18:42

My elbows

18:43

go. What are the things I appreciate

18:45

most about risk.

18:46

It's my soft my beard is. Soft is the

18:48

beard

18:49

is. At

18:51

the gym, I'm constantly your fingers out of my

18:53

beard. Yeah. He's my

18:55

beard alone. I'm a little coach over here.

18:59

Come up behind him. It's just sort of the

19:01

way.

19:03

Oh, shit. Alright.

19:06

Well, let me talk to somebody beside the rest.

19:08

Alright? Great. Yeah. Alright. Now

19:10

alright. This the queue is right, folks call

19:12

in 18554900125.

19:16

We got one It's 8554900125.

19:21

Got it. Yep. Alright. Alright.

19:23

Here we go. Alright.

19:25

Alright. You said here we go and nothing's

19:27

opening.

19:27

There we go. There he is. Hello.

19:30

Hello. Hey,

19:33

guys. Hey. Calling in

19:35

from Canada here. My name is Martin.

19:38

They're calling in from Canada. Did they

19:40

know that? That's

19:42

correct. They know

19:44

that you're calling in from Canada, and

19:46

you're alright with that? Yes, sir.

19:49

Yeah. Yeah. I think the government taught me make this

19:52

call.

19:52

Well, you better hurry.

19:53

Good. Yeah. They may change their minds. Fox

19:55

ticking me. You know, prime

19:57

minister, what's his boy's name?

20:00

Trudeau. Trudeau. Trudeau? Yeah. He may

20:02

decide that you

20:05

and I are too masculine to be talking

20:07

to each other. No.

20:10

Close a direct threat. That is brutal.

20:12

Right. Alright. SSR, anyway,

20:15

how can we talk to you today?

20:19

SSR there's been some contention in my

20:22

in my group of my group of buddies who've been

20:24

talking lot about about Bodyweight. And

20:27

SSR I'm I I'd like to first off know what

20:29

you think a a good body weight for me is.

20:31

So I'm I'm SSR foot four.

20:33

A little over six foot four. I currently weigh about

20:36

two fifteen. It was

20:38

about three three by

20:40

five deadwood three hundred, three by five,

20:42

bench one eighty five, three by five, impressed

20:45

one hundred and ten, three by five. But I'm I'm

20:47

I'm wondering what do you think I have to get up

20:49

to --

20:49

Well, alright. -- to the bank situation.

20:52

I've been around competitive lifters

20:54

for about forty five years, and

20:56

any competitive lifter that I've ever

20:59

been around that was six four or weighed over

21:01

three hundred pounds. Alright.

21:05

Right. All of them, weight over three hundred

21:07

pounds. If you're six four, you

21:10

showed up at the meat weighting three and a quarter.

21:13

You know, because at six

21:15

forty, three

21:17

twenty five. Yeah.

21:21

And and and -- Alright. --

21:24

you you here's the situation is is

21:26

that your muscle mass

21:29

has got to be proportionate to

21:32

your limb lengths. Alright?

21:36

The the muscle belly

21:41

is the cross sectional area of the muscle

21:43

belly. Is is

21:46

the determining factor in terms of the

21:48

amount of force, amount of contractual force

21:51

that the muscle produces. And

21:55

if you're six four, the

21:58

muscle bellies gotta be big

22:01

enough around to

22:04

generate force for an eight hundred

22:06

pound squat, which

22:08

person six four should be able to

22:10

do. But the fact that

22:12

you're six four means

22:15

that that long muscle

22:17

belly at that girth is

22:19

going to be twice the mass, then

22:23

it would be if you were if

22:25

you were five foot 456.

22:29

You see why that would be I mean, it's just more

22:31

mass than the muzzle because it's longer.

22:34

If it's the same size around and it's longer,

22:36

it's gonna be bigger. SSR you're gonna have

22:38

to carry heavier body weight

22:41

than somebody that is five foot

22:43

six. And for

22:45

for a guy for a guy like you, the

22:47

the the weights that you're lifting, you hear a number

22:50

like three hundred, three twenty five. You

22:52

have to remember that you can't you can't

22:54

be two seventy five and three hundred with a

22:56

four hundred pound squat or even a five hundred

22:58

pound

22:58

squat. We're talking we're talking five

23:01

fifty, six hundred squat

23:02

-- Yeah. -- anyway. --

23:03

seven hundred deadlift. SSR, and I know

23:05

that sounds preposterous to you right now.

23:07

But one of the reasons it sounds preposterous

23:10

is because it's six four and 262

23:12

fifteen, you're not very strong. Right?

23:14

Exactly. And you're not gonna be very strong.

23:17

Until you gain some weight. Yep.

23:20

I mean, why do you want to be

23:22

small? You didn't start

23:24

lifting weights in

23:25

the states. I don't I do not. Yeah.

23:28

No, I do not.

23:29

I mean, do they ration calories in

23:31

Canada? Or what's the deal?

23:34

We haven't caught quite gone to that point yet. Alright.

23:36

Well, let me let me points that and then I'll bring

23:39

that back. I got it. That's six

23:41

four and two

23:42

fifteen. Can get to

23:44

be two twenty five in a

23:46

week.

23:47

Yeah.

23:48

No shit. In a week. No shit.

23:50

That is that is

23:51

and how how would I go about doing that?

23:53

You eat more than you want to.

23:56

That's how you do it. You eat more

23:58

than you want to eat. You have to get used

24:00

to the idea that you have to

24:03

eat more than you want to eat every

24:05

time you sit down to eat.

24:07

You're gonna eat more than you want to.

24:10

That's how you get big.

24:13

It's a and you're not gonna get fat. You're

24:15

just gonna get you're what's gonna grow

24:17

is your muscle mass because

24:19

he could be training. He could be two seventy

24:21

five and not even look a little bit fat.

24:23

You could be two seventy five in

24:26

in 456 months.

24:30

And and all you're gonna do is

24:32

look better because your

24:34

neck's gonna be bigger, your shoulders are gonna

24:36

be wider, your hips are gonna be

24:38

deeper. Your legs are gonna

24:40

be bigger. And,

24:43

you you know, if you put two inches on your

24:45

waist, who gives a

24:46

shit? You know, you've put

24:48

six inches on your

24:49

chest. SSR, I

24:51

mean, this is you've

24:54

you and your friends

24:56

your your friends are all little skinny guys too.

24:58

Right?

25:00

Yeah. They're they're not quite as tall as I am. And

25:03

they we kinda talk a lot about

25:05

about this kind of power building model that

25:07

you kinda

25:08

Yeah. Just slight surplus and The

25:10

level went up a little.

25:11

All that intermediate level shit using

25:13

mister Jonathan. You you don't worry about

25:15

power building or any other intermediate type

25:18

program till you're until

25:20

you're you know, two seventy five and

25:22

and your squad's up around six hundred.

25:25

Because your squad is your your squad

25:27

has to go up. You're all

25:30

your your deadlift. You ought be pulling six

25:32

seventy five by the end of the

25:34

year.

25:35

Yep.

25:36

Yeah. You're you're the equivalent of

25:38

By the end of two thousand twenty three.

25:41

Yes.

25:41

Man, you're the you're the equivalent of probably,

25:43

like, let's say, like, a average five a

25:45

guy weighing one sixty

25:46

five if not less. Right. And how

25:48

old are you? I'm

25:52

twenty five. Oh, you're SSR you're in

25:54

the sweet spot, man. You're It's work.

25:56

You're you you are going

25:59

to be a beast. If

26:01

you will stop listening

26:03

to anybody but me. Okay?

26:09

Don't listen to anybody but me.

26:12

Alright? You need to

26:14

get big and you need to get big

26:16

right now because if

26:19

you wait till you're forty to get big,

26:22

you're it's gonna be way harder to

26:24

do. Yep. You're in

26:26

you're in the prime of

26:29

your adult physical life right

26:31

now. And you

26:33

have the ability to be

26:35

a muscular athletic

26:39

two hundred and seventy five pound

26:41

guy by the end of this calendar

26:44

year. And I

26:46

suggest that you don't get off of

26:48

the phone

26:50

and start eating something

26:53

right now.

26:56

Alright. Can't can't can't do it. And then

26:58

just one last question, thank you.

27:00

I appreciate --

27:01

Alright. -- and appreciate all the commentary here

27:03

guys. So my my one friend who's this,

27:06

like, the heavy proponent of this power building

27:08

thing and we talk about how you know, you

27:10

saved the course SSR that you preached. And the way

27:12

that you just basically spoke to me, he thinks it's absurd

27:14

and off the

27:14

wall. So he's he's six foot one eighty five.

27:18

He's probably got an over three hundred pound

27:20

over

27:20

over three hundred pound bench. He

27:23

ought to be bench in four fifty. A

27:26

three hundred pound bench is not really much

27:28

of a

27:28

bench. I mean,

27:30

in in the grand scheme of things, that's

27:32

not a big bench.

27:35

Right. I I'd like to I'd

27:37

like to hear I'd like to just have you stayed on here

27:39

because I believe he Powerlifting what you think his his body

27:41

body Bodyweight out to be think you should hear it

27:43

straight from the horse's mouth SSR to speak

27:45

here. Well, he's six footy ought to

27:47

be I mean, if

27:49

you're six foot and you're not two

27:51

thirty

27:52

five, you're you're just you're

27:54

not even trying. Yep. You're

27:56

just not

27:56

trying Perfectly reasonable. Right. Two thirty five.

27:59

Two thirty five at six foot is not

28:01

that's not an advanced body weight --

28:03

Right. -- for a big strong man. Power

28:06

building is just a way,

28:08

apparently, to keep from adding five

28:11

pounds to your deadlift every time

28:13

you pull. If you

28:15

haven't gone through the process

28:17

of adding five pounds or some

28:19

equivalent incremental increase, to

28:22

all your lifts every time you train,

28:24

then you still have the potential to do

28:26

that. And any other programming

28:28

is a waste of time. It's

28:31

a waste of time. Complexity.

28:35

Complexity for a complexity sake. Is

28:39

that that appeals to stupid people.

28:43

Okay? Because it makes them feel smart. Alright?

28:45

When it doesn't need to be complicated, don't

28:48

make it complicated. Just go up five

28:50

pounds. And then what you do

28:52

is you you every lift

28:54

ought to be pea hard in the

28:56

gym and then you ought to go to an all

28:58

you can eat place and make them

29:00

throw you out. That's

29:04

how it's gonna make them grow

29:07

you out.

29:07

Seventy five to seventy five by on the Tap

29:09

you on the

29:09

-- Alright. -- tap you on the shoulder, sir. I'm sorry.

29:12

It's time for you to leave. Mhmm. You

29:15

had eight plates of

29:16

food, and it's time for you to leave.

29:19

That would take quite a bit in Canada for to

29:21

get thrown out of a restaurant as polite as everybody

29:23

is up there. Man.

29:26

Oh, yeah. If you if you don't if you don't show your

29:28

your vaccine transport, they'll they'll talk to you. Well, that's

29:30

true. Yeah. The lightness goes out the

29:32

go out the window. And you get all your shit.

29:34

You you're not vaccinated. You

29:37

mean, you're not dying.

29:41

You're not dying of the vaccine.

29:43

We'll we'll back out of your Yeah.

29:47

Well, okay, guys. SSR I'll I'll hang up the phone

29:49

again. Right. Hang up the phone and immediately

29:51

begin to chew on something. And

29:54

swallow

29:54

it. Alright? Alright.

29:55

And you could call at the end of the year if at the end of

29:57

the year when I'm two seventy five.

29:58

Absolutely. Let check-in with.

29:59

Excellent. Cool. Later. Later, man.

30:02

Alright.

30:02

Thanks a lot, guys. Bye bye. Alright.

30:07

Okay. Now Go. Let's go.

30:10

That was

30:10

alright. That's pretty good. Be

30:12

so great one of these guys actually listened and did

30:14

what you told him

30:15

though. Yeah. Remember the one kid we had? He actually

30:17

was my client. He he said you told

30:19

him to Bodyweight, and he gained thirty

30:21

pounds in I don't remember in

30:23

a

30:24

month. Yeah. I do remember. Yeah. Thirty

30:26

pounds. didn't remember that. Yeah.

30:28

And and these people call

30:30

in, they we can't do that. Right. Well,

30:33

except that you can do that. Yep. And

30:35

it's been done. And you

30:37

just don't want to. So

30:39

instead of saying I don't want to, you say

30:42

I can't. Right. Which is those

30:45

are two different transactions. Right. Yeah.

30:47

Right. Hello. You there? You

30:50

there? Hello. Hey,

30:52

Rick.

30:52

Great.

30:54

Right. So I am

30:56

a twenty five year old male. I just

30:58

started VLP from second

31:00

time. Last year,

31:02

I got to just about intermediate training.

31:05

And then my help just kind of started to

31:07

park. And I and I've been diagnosed

31:10

with you haven't been relapsing what

31:12

was grosses. Oh,

31:14

shit.

31:15

And so I

31:17

recently started back in the LP, I'm let

31:19

them up in, my

31:20

squats, and

31:21

then left, they're in the three hundreds. My bench

31:23

and press are in the two hundreds. And

31:26

there's been going pretty good And it sounds

31:28

like it was going pretty good.

31:30

Yeah. But yesterday,

31:33

my balance was super off. My grip

31:35

was super shaky. I kinda got

31:37

stuck on the bottom of the squad, kinda turned

31:40

an unintended pause squad SSR

31:42

the end. And

31:43

then one of it was a bench

31:45

perhaps, my grip is just too shaky

31:47

to safely do it. Right. I'm just

31:49

at the workout off

31:51

there. I'm just kinda wondering what

31:53

your thoughts were for a training around what was

31:56

processed.

31:56

If you've got multiple sclerosis

31:59

and you're and as a result of that,

32:01

you have balance

32:03

problems and stability problems.

32:07

You have to not train that day

32:10

because you don't want to drop a bench press

32:12

on your face. Okay.

32:14

Now that's just, you know, that's just common

32:17

sense. If it's not there, it's not there.

32:20

Alright? We trained people. We have

32:22

tried people with multiple sclerosis. We've

32:25

got several members across

32:27

the gym chain with multiples fluorosis,

32:30

and we we deal with it. You

32:32

know, bad days. We don't train. Good

32:34

days. We push real hard. One

32:36

of the things that we

32:40

focus on is that

32:43

multiple sclerosis does not respond

32:45

well to a hot

32:47

environment. You don't wanna

32:49

get sweaty and hot when you train.

32:52

Where do you

32:52

live?

32:53

Yeah. That is the a bigger man. It's always

32:55

in the summer. My potentials get worse.

32:57

Right. Where where do you where do you live?

33:00

Arkansas. Would you move

33:02

north? Seriously?

33:05

I'd like to. I'd love to a

33:06

little bit. But

33:07

Seriously, how to you know that I mean, move

33:10

move to where it's not hot. You

33:12

know, that you'll you'll enjoy

33:15

being there a hell of a lot more, and

33:17

you'll get a lot older. If

33:20

you just move somewhere where it's not hot.

33:24

I mean, there's a perfectly good

33:27

reason to for

33:29

North Dakota to be there, you know.

33:32

Good. You know? Right. mean, it's know,

33:34

they ought make resorts up there for people

33:37

with MS. Although

33:39

it does get caught up. Everything gets caught up there. On

33:41

occasion, it gets caught in the

33:43

August, you know, eleven ninety one

33:45

degrees

33:45

day. It's not Arkansas. Arkansas. Yeah.

33:47

No. It's not Arkansas. Hard. Arkansas

33:49

is hot like which doll falls is,

33:51

which you

33:52

horrible. You can drink the you

33:56

there? Yep.

33:58

I said you can drink the air over here in the summer.

34:01

Yeah. Yeah. I know. It. I know all about

34:03

it. I know all about

34:05

it, man. Hundred and five at

34:09

sixty percent relative humidity. It's just,

34:11

you know, it's just bullshit. It

34:13

just bullshit. But

34:16

we don't even have MS man. Fuck. Right.

34:19

This has this has been a mild winter

34:21

though. You'll have to say that this It's

34:23

been real nice weather for about four

34:25

months. But we're gonna pay

34:27

for it in June, July,

34:29

August, September. SSR

34:32

Do you do you know when you

34:34

when you wake up or as you're going about your day

34:36

that you're gonna have a rough one in the

34:38

gym, or do you get started in the gym?

34:41

Yeah. Like yesterday, I kinda woke up. I kinda

34:44

felt like my head was kinda full of water,

34:46

stepped outside the was just blinding my

34:48

eyes. So I kinda good till the beginning of the day.

34:50

Yeah. Right. So you get an indication in

34:52

advance? Well, you're

34:55

just gonna have to pay better attention to that.

34:58

I wouldn't if I were you, I would not

35:00

get under a bench press that

35:03

I was at all worried

35:05

about being able to hold. That's

35:08

how you get killed. Yeah.

35:10

Or or permanently disfigured anyway,

35:13

you know. And that's not EMS'

35:15

fault, that's your fault. Because you didn't pay attention.

35:18

When you can't stabilize, don't

35:21

put yourself in a stability situation.

35:25

That's just you just have to get attention

35:27

to that. So

35:29

on those bad days, you would just break than

35:31

just holding off an alternate. That's what I would

35:33

do. Yes. And

35:36

here's it here's something just occurred to me.

35:41

Have you had your testosterone checked?

35:45

Actually, yes. Got it checked.

35:47

Last time I got real last year, it was

35:49

on the low two hundred seven on TRT

35:51

ever since. Well, good. Now let

35:54

me ask you another question. Does the TRT

35:57

seemed positively affect the

36:00

MS?

36:02

Absolutely. Uh-huh. Well, that's real

36:04

good information. To

36:06

keep in mind. That's real good

36:08

information for all of you who are watching

36:11

this

36:12

to to internalize. And

36:15

I should I should repeat. I am twenty five

36:17

years old once here too as well. I'm not old

36:19

at all. No. No. You're a young man.

36:21

You're testosterone ought to be higher than that.

36:24

But a disease like that

36:26

just depresses everything, including your

36:28

test levels. But we have the

36:30

ability to positively affect test

36:32

levels with TRT, and

36:35

that needs to be kept in mind.

36:38

Those of you that have SSR

36:40

need to keep that in mind. And,

36:43

you know, take the bull by the horns

36:46

here. You've been handed a real shitty hand

36:48

to cards. And you gotta

36:50

do something about it. So

36:53

anything you can do along those lines

36:55

is gonna help. You

36:58

know? Alright. Think maybe some

37:00

ANNOVERA would be a good idea too.

37:03

ANNOVERA heals things up. Ox

37:05

standalone. What I'm talking about.

37:08

And, you know, if you can

37:10

find some of that, that might help too.

37:13

But most importantly,

37:16

in a in a situation like yours,

37:19

you are going to have to adjust

37:22

your training to

37:25

the day and what's

37:27

going on that day. And if you

37:29

are in a in a if you're If

37:32

things are shaky, go home.

37:35

Go home. You can train tomorrow. You

37:38

can train the day after tomorrow. But

37:41

if you drop a bar in your mouth,

37:45

you know, you you don't wanna do that. Okay.

37:47

When when were you when were you diagnosed fairly

37:50

recent? Yeah.

37:52

It

37:52

was about a month and a half, two months

37:54

ago. I got real sick last

37:56

summer, a bunch of weird liver and

37:58

sound

37:59

stuff, balanced stuff, nausea, dizziness.

38:02

Right. And

38:02

then it kinda got better towards the beginning

38:04

of fall. Then I got COVID, which damper

38:06

killed me.

38:08

Recover from that. And now training again.

38:10

SSR Well, you're

38:13

you're you've gotta train. You're doing

38:15

the right thing there. You've

38:17

gotta train. I think you're you

38:21

know, the the TRTs,

38:24

you have to do that. You have

38:26

to do that. Right. But you need to pay

38:28

ten don't let your

38:30

training don't

38:34

let your training become SSR

38:37

important to you that you

38:39

ignore

38:41

the things that could make

38:44

your training dangerous. Alright.

38:46

I knew right. I knew a woman who was diagnosed

38:48

in her late twenties. At the time

38:51

when I when I met her, she was in her mid

38:53

fifties. And and was

38:56

very, very active

38:58

and never stopped training. And after

39:00

a few years, she had almost no symptoms.

39:03

Right. So in her thirties, I've heard of it

39:05

resolving like Yeah. In her thirties, after her

39:07

thirties, she had no more symptoms. And then she just

39:09

made sure to keep training, you know, never

39:11

stop because she was scared that it

39:12

would, you know, that all her symptoms would come back.

39:15

It's pretty big. Right. No. I think, you

39:17

know, I I don't know what

39:22

what where your head is on this right

39:24

now, but I think that you've

39:27

got an opportunity to positively

39:30

affect this diagnosis. And

39:33

-- Right. -- I'd encourage

39:35

you to to

39:38

keep after it. But don't

39:41

don't get hurt. Pay attention.

39:43

Pay better. Pay close attention. You

39:45

know -- Yep. -- shit shaky. Go

39:48

home

39:50

for it tomorrow.

39:51

Right. Yep. Alright? Well,

39:53

good luck with you. What do you weigh?

39:58

Five eleven two eighty five. Well,

40:01

you probably in a good body weight situation,

40:03

you might have a couple of pounds of belly to

40:05

get off. But, you know,

40:07

in situation like you're in right now,

40:10

don't go on a fucking crash diet.

40:13

It's just not important at the age of twenty

40:15

five. You just

40:17

eat clean and continue

40:20

to train and your body composition will improve.

40:23

But if you

40:27

Try to drop a bunch of body fat that's gonna

40:29

be a stress that you don't need to be dealing with

40:31

right now.

40:33

Alright. You continue to train and

40:36

and unless you see how it goes.

40:39

Alright.

40:40

Okay, man. Thanks for being over there. Yep.

40:47

Alright. Alright. Alright.

40:51

Let's keep it rolling. Let's roll, man.

40:57

Looks

40:57

like this is Travis. Travis, there? Travis.

41:00

Yes. Yes. Is that you? Yeah.

41:04

Can you guys hear me alright? We sure can.

41:08

Okay. Good. Good. I got you on my headphones

41:10

actually. Yeah.

41:14

So Mark and Nick and Ross, did you have

41:16

a couple of questions I have actually my first

41:18

parallel to me coming up in a month.

41:22

I mean, I live in Ohio. I around Cleveland,

41:24

I'm going to Pittsburgh, but I

41:26

just had some questions about, Mark,

41:28

specifically, with the tenth selection,

41:31

I remember you talking about

41:33

Powerlifting only doing two attempts.

41:35

And first of all, I wanna know, like, the the rationale

41:37

for that because I'm kind of considering that

41:41

just

41:41

for almost like energy SSR. But

41:43

what's the reason why you you have done

41:45

that? Well, the reason why I

41:47

did it is because every time I ended

41:50

up third

41:54

attempt deadlift with a

41:56

with AAA number on the

41:58

bar that I thought I could do that

42:00

I needed. I was tired

42:03

from the second attempt when I did

42:05

it. So

42:08

I learned that for me, the

42:10

best way to do this was to pull

42:12

what I wanted on the

42:14

second attempt. So

42:17

I so it was there. Alright?

42:20

And then what I wanted was there. And

42:23

I pulled it, and it was a hard

42:26

limit attempt that I knew did not

42:28

take the third attempt because I wasn't gonna make it

42:30

anyway. And, you know, you

42:32

start pulling on shit, you can't pull, you get

42:34

hurt. SSR it was

42:36

just it's just more efficient use of your

42:38

of your recovery ability

42:41

and your performance at the meet.

42:43

Now this is just for me. Okay? A lot

42:45

of people successfully pull a third attempt.

42:49

But in my situation, I

42:51

just calculated what I wanted

42:54

for my third attempt. My

42:56

last attempt what I wanted for the deadlift

42:59

that day. And

43:01

I called for that on second attempt

43:03

and first attempt was, you know,

43:06

SSR my PR was six

43:08

thirty three, and I would so I would probably

43:11

call for five eighty

43:16

nine or whatever that was for the for

43:19

the for an opener.

43:21

Having done

43:23

Oh, wow. Okay. Having done 505

43:26

or five twenty five for a

43:28

single and warm up

43:29

room. Now

43:30

here's a question though. If you if you would have

43:32

been a two forty two or whatever, you

43:34

know, that do you think that would have been a different

43:36

situation? I do. There there are

43:38

several mistakes that I made.

43:41

Listening to my coach who

43:43

was half bodybuilder -- Right. -- was

43:45

one of those mistakes. I should

43:48

have been 205 forty two. Because you arguably

43:51

were

43:51

not. It was five eight, and I should have been two

43:53

forty. Yeah. And you you you weren't

43:55

recovered for the meat. You were probably

43:57

cutting for the meat or

43:59

not? A little bit. I I always

44:01

lifted about where I was at. When

44:03

I lifted one ninety eight, I had to make weight.

44:05

Yep. And that's that's stupid.

44:08

Yep. At 581

44:10

ninety eight, jeez. You just look at who's

44:12

lifting in the world. How tall are they

44:14

and what do Bodyweight? good

44:17

data. Yep. Right? And you don't need

44:19

to be like, Ed Cohen lifted

44:21

at two forty two and he's

44:23

five five. Right. I'm not Ed

44:25

Cohen. But at

44:28

58I should have been two forty two.

44:30

Right. You know, especially

44:33

the last Three years ago. Waited.

44:35

Yep. You know?

44:37

And it's look, especially for a first meet,

44:39

I I wanted You said this is your

44:41

first powerlifting meet? Yeah.

44:44

Yeah. So actually, let me back up. So I've actually I've

44:46

done your guys' program pretty much

44:48

by the book for three years, and so I have

44:50

pretty good numbers. I'm actually in I

44:52

was gonna try to do the 105 kilogram

44:55

class, one two thirty one, but they don't

44:57

have it. So I'm doing two forty two. So

44:59

actually, right now, way about two

45:01

thirty eight or so.

45:02

Right.

45:03

But yeah. Like my my squad

45:07

my current PR

45:08

and, you know, again, I do this all at home, basically,

45:11

with myself and my wife still may need some different

45:13

angles. But

45:13

-- Mhmm. -- I so far, my SSR

45:16

six sixteenth, my PR single. And

45:18

-- Right. -- so I imagine my

45:21

my and then for my bench, bench is actually

45:23

by far the worst of the three. I've done

45:26

three fifty eight, but

45:27

again, with the pause. And my biggest thing

45:29

is just

45:29

working on

45:30

the commands and the and the pause and all

45:32

this.

45:33

And then dead deadlift, I pulled a six

45:36

sixty. So Yeah.

45:37

That's what you're That's all your own.

45:40

Yeah. No. This yard. Five

45:42

ten, five ten and a half.

45:43

Okay. And your body weight right now

45:46

is two thirty eight?

45:48

Like, two two thirty eight.

45:49

Yeah. No. I just

45:50

I'm not I'm not cutting I mean, I'm just I'm almost

45:52

mapping to the heat, so I don't wanna

45:54

Yeah. You don't wanna wait over. What's the wait

45:56

class? It's two forty two. Two forty

45:58

two? Yeah.

46:01

105 to one ten. Is

46:05

the white is 105A white

46:07

glass in that

46:07

federation? Should

46:09

be. Right? No. It's it's a SSR APL

46:12

need in Pittsburgh. They just they didn't have

46:14

A105 SSR

46:16

one one tenth of next one. But I'm just I'm just

46:19

doing this to feel I feel about

46:21

competing if I wanna, you know, keep

46:23

going and, you know, I

46:25

figure my my current PRs I

46:27

plan to kinda do with my second

46:29

attempt. You

46:32

know? And my first my first attempt would be like

46:34

You know what I would do

46:35

on my first meet? I wouldn't

46:37

do that on my first meet. I

46:40

would do my my current PRs

46:43

on my third attempts

46:46

because --

46:46

Okay. -- that that strategy

46:49

will work for your third

46:51

or fourth meet when you understand, when

46:53

you're more comfortable in the room and you know

46:55

what they all to expect from the

46:57

judges and and all this

46:59

other shit that are factors right now you've never

47:02

experienced. Alright?

47:04

Now -- Right. -- for a Olympic

47:06

lifter, I would never

47:08

suggest call for a

47:10

PR snatch and clean a jerk on

47:12

third attempt because you're not gonna

47:15

make it. But

47:17

We -- Right. -- make PR deadlifts

47:19

in in meats all the time. But

47:22

for your first meat, I would

47:25

take those numbers on my

47:27

third attempts and

47:29

just get a total. Because

47:31

you may fuck something nice in terms

47:34

of the rules and, you know, procedures

47:36

that have to be followed on the platform. And

47:39

and you you don't want to

47:42

post, you know, artificially

47:44

low total because you've made procedural

47:47

error. So I would

47:49

I would brave SSR you're

47:51

gonna your your squad is six

47:53

sixteen. Right? Yeah.

47:56

And you would move pretty well and definitely got

47:58

depth and Well, I'd what I think

48:01

I'd do is I'd open with oh,

48:06

maybe for my first you might

48:08

open with five fifty one and

48:13

then jump up to to five

48:19

what is that number? Five eighty five?

48:22

Five ninety one. Whatever it is. It used

48:24

to know the loading chart much better than I

48:26

do now. And then take six

48:28

six sixteen for your Earth attempt. And

48:30

on your bench, I'd open

48:33

with three

48:35

thirty, and then I'd go to

48:39

three forty eight, and

48:41

then you

48:45

know, three

48:48

fifty three fifty

48:51

nine, I guess, is the number.

48:52

Two or three fifty I'm trying to be

48:54

yeah. The conversion. I'm trying to get to familiar with

48:56

I've used to know of that whole used to know

48:58

all the conveyor belt hadn't used in long time.

49:01

And then I would on the

49:02

deadlift, you're pulling six

49:05

sixty one.

49:07

Yeah. Yeah. Barely got it,

49:09

but Well, you need to do

49:13

you need to open with five

49:19

eighty something.

49:22

And then SSR

49:25

Bodyweight, and

49:27

then --

49:28

Okay. -- and then three hundred kilos.

49:31

And those are those are all

49:33

be doable numbers. Especially

49:36

if you come in way in three forty forty

49:39

two that day. You're gonna have a little

49:41

bit more mass on you and they won't be as hard

49:43

as you think they are. But you this first

49:45

meat needs to be you Exploring

49:48

the procedure that you have to follow

49:51

at the meat, not you worrying

49:53

about your PRs. Alright?

49:56

Just you've gotta get familiar with

49:58

something you've never done before. And

50:00

the PR, is a

50:03

is a pressure that you don't need right

50:05

now. You just need the total. Without

50:08

fucking something up, you're gonna have to make sure

50:10

that your depth is correct on the squad.

50:13

Because they actually the only good thing

50:15

about USAPLs, they actually judge

50:17

depth on the squad. Bench

50:21

press. The rules gotta be followed on the bench

50:23

press. The deadlift.

50:25

Don't set the deadlift down until you're

50:28

you get the signal. So again,

50:30

they're they're probably gonna have some dumbass standing

50:32

behind you too on the

50:34

deadlift for all systems that

50:37

completely escape me to understand. SSR,

50:39

you you know, you're gonna have to you're gonna have that's

50:41

gonna be an unfamiliar factor.

50:45

You know? Is this

50:47

asshole going to touch me? You know?

50:49

So I don't I

50:52

I really have no idea why they do that. They

50:54

wanna get two people hurt instead of just

50:56

one. Is that is that their

50:58

reasoning? Know

51:00

why you're asking me, I don't know.

51:01

I don't understand. Yeah. I mean, I'm just asking

51:03

for some, you know, speculate Well,

51:06

because

51:06

people fall down now, people fall you know

51:08

why people fall

51:08

down on the deadlift?

51:09

Yeah. Because they're all because they're all looking up at the ceiling

51:12

when they deadlift instead of the floor in front

51:14

of them like they ought to be. Right. But that

51:16

because that's why all these idiots coach the thing.

51:19

You know, well, you get balanced by looking at the

51:22

Well, their their

51:23

foot is effectively four inches wide

51:25

because they have a super wide, Sumo stance.

51:27

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Because it's

51:30

a it's a I don't know. So

51:32

anyway, what I would

51:34

do that's what I would do if I were you on my

51:36

first meet. I would not be concerned about

51:40

PRs on the individual lives,

51:43

I'd be concerned with getting

51:45

a good total and learning

51:47

what to expect from the

51:49

me and if you wanna go to another. But

51:53

don't put a bunch pressure on yourself about

51:55

PRs. Great.

52:00

Okay.

52:01

Yeah. Yeah. That's basically yeah.

52:03

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks, Rick.

52:05

Alright, man. Thanks for the call.

52:07

Alright. Alright. Take it.

52:10

Alright.

52:10

Who's next? Let's

52:13

see.

52:14

I don't

52:15

trust the recording.

52:17

It says James, but we'll see.

52:19

Hello, James? It's just James.

52:21

Yeah. That's

52:21

me. Cool. This is him.

52:24

Alright, James. What's happening? I

52:28

must know SSR day in Florida. But quick

52:30

question. I've been on your program since. Back

52:32

to first book came

52:33

out. Oh, god.

52:35

Fifty nine. My numbers are still

52:37

good for, I guess, you're fighting

52:39

the decline. In the

52:41

numbers, but that's okay. Yeah.

52:43

You know, that was You're not there. I am

52:45

stronger, ma'am. Yeah.

52:47

Well, I remember when I was sitting

52:50

at red light because people in Florida came dry.

52:52

We got rear ended. So I started

52:54

having a trap on I'm sorry. I started

52:56

having a job.

52:58

Spasm and pain in my upper trap

53:01

to the neck.

53:01

Right. And I can terminate arthritis. this is

53:04

unusual. And I've got our played on

53:06

horses like you did and did other extracurricular

53:08

activities while you --

53:09

Yeah. -- get some new shit

53:11

to you. But I went to Orthopedic

53:13

SSR, both of them actually make fares

53:15

of yours. Alright.

53:17

The C3C4, and c five

53:20

have a mild you

53:23

know, squeeze between -- Right.

53:25

-- compression. Mhmm. So

53:28

when I squat, cardio program, I

53:30

don't wanna ride emailed

53:33

a guy that goes through your coaching

53:35

system over to Tampa. Are you still heavy?

53:38

He gave me he went through doctor

53:40

Stoner's video kind of explained it to me

53:42

how to work back up and

53:44

to a stiffness goes away. So I couldn't get orthopedic.

53:47

The permit or MRI until this

53:49

week. So my question is,

53:51

with that type of injury, those are known

53:54

if it was from the whiplash boat engines,

53:56

is there anything to do to strengthen

54:00

that? He said you need to keep that strong

54:02

up around that

54:03

mat? Alright. No. There's not. Now we

54:05

hear your basic plans. Now here's the

54:07

situation. Alright. The

54:10

function of the muscles around

54:12

the spine. And that's the whole

54:14

spine, cervical down to

54:17

coccyx. The function of all

54:19

of those muscles is isometric. They

54:21

hold it still. Alright.

54:25

Now when you deadlift, when you

54:27

squat, when you bench press, when you

54:29

press

54:29

overhead, the function of the

54:31

neck is to be still, and

54:34

it's to be still in normal

54:36

anatomical position. So

54:40

if when you deadlift, you are lifting

54:42

your chin because

54:45

of eye gaze direction or whatever the hell

54:47

else you're doing wrong. You're

54:49

you're fucking the thing up. Don't

54:52

lift your chin. Look at the floor

54:55

in front of you. When

54:57

you squat And then the

55:00

reason for that coaching cue is

55:03

specifically for the purpose.

55:06

Of holding your neck in

55:08

normal anatomical position.

55:11

I symmetrically. You ever

55:13

notice how you didn't do any direct

55:16

neck work, but you've

55:18

got a nineteen inch neck. Well, that

55:20

haven't done any neck

55:21

work. That's the that's

55:24

the most broadcasting

55:25

those big fucking traps. Yeah.

55:27

Yeah. know, traps

55:29

and Nick are I submit

55:32

They grow isometrically without you

55:34

having to do any direct network. Don't

55:37

do direct network especially Don't

55:40

wiggle your neck around if you've got

55:43

some injuries C45

55:46

and six. Don't wiggle

55:48

it around. Keep it still. Alright?

55:51

Keeping it still makes it

55:54

strong. Alright.

55:56

Now here's the other thing that that

55:58

stood out from your question. Don't

56:00

go to an orthopedic surgeon

56:04

with a neurosurgery problem.

56:08

You When your back is fucked

56:10

up, you go to a neurosurgeon. When

56:14

your neck is fucked up. You go to a

56:16

neurosurgeon, you don't see an

56:18

orthopod. That's not

56:20

the kind of shit they do. Alright.

56:23

Now, If you've got

56:25

something going on at three, four,

56:27

and five, and you don't have just a a

56:30

patent rupture, or

56:32

something wrong if you don't have an osteo

56:35

fight that needs to be removed in there.

56:37

The a neurosurgeon is the guy to

56:40

consult because he's not gonna operate on

56:42

that. Unless there's

56:44

a reason to do that, he's not gonna

56:46

operate on that.

56:48

And I

56:49

don't understand it. I wasn't gonna They

56:51

said, just keep on doing what I'm doing. That's

56:53

exactly what I would suggest. But

56:56

you need to review your form and make

56:58

sure that your eyeballs are

57:01

on the floor when you

57:03

squat and when you deadlift SSR

57:05

that your neck will stay in

57:07

normal anatomical

57:09

position. But

57:11

that sounds to me like you're doing fine.

57:15

Yeah. Yeah. And I don't wanna invest in the

57:17

end cash but my lips are stronger

57:19

than theirs at fifty nine at two hundred and

57:21

twenty five

57:22

pounds. Right. Anyway,

57:24

my lip has been a pleasure. Thank you, sir.

57:26

Alright, sir. Thanks for the call. Jacob,

57:28

you there? Yes,

57:30

sir.

57:32

Okay, Jacob. What are you doing, man?

57:34

What can we do for you today? I

57:38

SSR I'm a lucky man. I have a fiance.

57:40

We have a garage gym that we built

57:43

when COVID shut our gym down --

57:45

Mhmm. -- which you know, lucky

57:47

as hell for that. I've been training for eight years.

57:49

No. I'm lucky you're interested in weight gain.

57:53

There's an inner weight gain, and I love the years.

57:55

Lucky

57:55

intelligence. Two different quantities.

57:57

Alright? Hopefully.

57:59

Alright. Alright. I'll

58:01

take the compliment. Good. So

58:04

I've been listening with my fiance for

58:07

two

58:07

years. I think she's the sixth

58:09

person that I've taught the movement

58:12

patterns

58:12

and that we've run through the linear progression

58:15

with. And,

58:17

you know, it's just the the previous

58:19

five people that I taught weren't

58:22

my fiance, you know? So

58:25

I'm trying to you know, we're two years in. She's

58:27

surviving my bullshit.

58:30

Am I allowed to say that? But

58:34

so I was just, you know, I wanna

58:36

make sure that she keeps training, but

58:38

I've I've just been treating her like any other

58:40

of my the people that I've ever worked

58:42

with. And I was wondering if

58:44

that's your opinion to just keep

58:46

going with it until she My

58:48

my opinion. My opinion on this

58:51

is do

58:53

you

58:54

do you want to get married or not?

58:58

Oh, yeah. That quit coaching

59:00

the girl. You cannot

59:03

coach your spouse.

59:05

Don't even try to coach your

59:07

spouse. I'm sorry

59:09

that this is not just a matter

59:12

of my opinion. Alright?

59:14

This is this is just, you know,

59:17

This has been proven over

59:20

millions of years. You

59:23

don't coach your spouse.

59:26

Leave

59:26

her alone. The other problem is, I

59:29

don't trust anyone else. You know what I

59:31

mean? Did you don't trust anyone else? So

59:33

this is going to be a situation where

59:36

either she's an extraordinarily different

59:39

girl. Or --

59:41

Yeah. -- you quit fucking weather.

59:45

Right? Because for some reason,

59:49

women do not interpret coaching

59:52

from their husband in

59:55

a dispassionate way. They

59:59

just don't.

1:00:01

Are you and your fiance able to

1:00:03

do other things together like cook a meal

1:00:05

for example?

1:00:07

Can you guys cook a meal together? Can

1:00:10

you Of

1:00:11

course. Okay. So the the difference is that

1:00:13

when you go into the gym with her,

1:00:16

you put on your coach voice and you

1:00:18

put on your coach attitude

1:00:19

and you turn into what she

1:00:21

perceives to be an asshole. Mhmm. SSR

1:00:23

the fact that you're able to communicate and do

1:00:25

other things with her

1:00:28

means that you you and her are somehow

1:00:31

interacting differently when you're in the gym.

1:00:33

So

1:00:35

you you came I'm not saying she thinks I'm an

1:00:38

asshole. Are you are you inferring that

1:00:39

I'm saying? She thinks you're an asshole.

1:00:41

I'm saying I'm saying there's something telling you. She

1:00:43

thinks you're there's something about the interaction

1:00:45

that is that is different and rubbing her

1:00:47

and you the wrong way. So the

1:00:50

thing is is you're coming

1:00:51

from place of authority over her.

1:00:53

Yeah. You are

1:00:53

telling her what to do consistently in the gym.

1:00:55

So

1:00:56

you can absolutely help her

1:00:57

out. Right. You can actually act absolutely train

1:00:59

together, but you you don't train you

1:01:01

don't treat a family

1:01:02

member, especially not a spouse like

1:01:05

you would, a pain client because your

1:01:07

client is

1:01:08

paying you to tell them exactly what

1:01:10

to do and to listen to you, and

1:01:12

they're paying you to to just be told

1:01:14

stuff. Your

1:01:15

I guess, you could charge her. You

1:01:17

could. Yeah. Your spouse is not interested in doing that.

1:01:19

She she wants you to be

1:01:20

nice. You know? She's already mad. And she

1:01:22

would straighten out the relationship. And

1:01:24

she probably just wants to hang out with you too. So just

1:01:26

just don't be an asshole. Just be your training

1:01:28

partner. She wants to hang with you now

1:01:30

for now. Right.

1:01:32

Yeah.

1:01:32

But she's gonna get tired of me. I think

1:01:34

she really enjoys it.

1:01:36

I don't know. You know? Has it been a

1:01:38

problem so far? Just

1:01:40

don't don't

1:01:41

start yelling and screaming. It's

1:01:42

not been a problem so far.

1:01:45

No, sir.

1:01:46

Well, then why are you asking? I would

1:01:47

I I just

1:01:50

Yeah.

1:01:51

So so so me and my wife me and

1:01:53

my wife we every now and then, I'd say

1:01:55

probably, like, three times, four times a month,

1:01:57

we we go to the gym together.

1:02:00

And I ask her or

1:02:02

I tell SSR, if you want my help,

1:02:05

come ask. If not, do

1:02:07

your

1:02:07

thing. And it works out great between us.

1:02:10

So I don't know, man.

1:02:12

But it's not an authority thing. Right? You're kinda

1:02:14

taking it from

1:02:15

Well, I'm trying not to tell SSR. I'm going

1:02:17

to tell you what to do today. She's gonna

1:02:20

do her own thing, and she's a

1:02:21

pretty she's very competent lifter. She's been looking

1:02:23

for a while. But

1:02:25

if she needs help, she'll come and say, hey, will you

1:02:27

help me with this? And if she doesn't want my help,

1:02:29

then I don't offer her help. Right?

1:02:31

I don't It's really

1:02:32

important.

1:02:33

Come at it from coaching perspective.

1:02:35

It's more like a consulting partner.

1:02:38

A consulting perspective. Maybe that's

1:02:40

a good word for it. Yeah. Mhmm.

1:02:44

She's a smart girl. She's wearing her own programming.

1:02:46

I'm I you know, I steer her. She

1:02:48

asked me my opinion, but she's driving

1:02:51

the programming. You know? I'm like, this

1:02:53

is what we do.

1:02:54

So Which is what I'm gonna do.

1:02:56

What's that I've been doing? I got my

1:02:59

Once again, why why are you asking

1:03:01

us about this? If it's not been

1:03:03

a problem Yeah.

1:03:03

Seems like you gotta figure it out. Okay.

1:03:08

You know Is there a problem?

1:03:09

He doesn't want it to become a problem. Right?

1:03:12

Well,

1:03:12

he wanted something that break.

1:03:14

Something must have tipped him off

1:03:16

to the fact that can be a problem. Right?

1:03:18

What is it?

1:03:22

Stories. Listening to you. Talk

1:03:24

about it. Well, I I'm telling you what

1:03:26

my experience has been. And

1:03:29

my experience and the experience of lots

1:03:31

and lots and lots and lots about the people.

1:03:34

Lots of people have had problems with this over

1:03:36

the years, and I've had problems

1:03:38

with it for thirty five, forty years. You

1:03:41

know, you just, you know,

1:03:43

want your it

1:03:46

just it just you know, a lot of times,

1:03:48

it just doesn't work out. And it's

1:03:51

it's best. It depends on

1:03:53

how important the relationship is to

1:03:55

you. If if it's

1:03:57

important, you'll hire her a coach.

1:04:00

That's not you. Yeah. You

1:04:03

know? I mean,

1:04:05

if I if she needs to my parents.

1:04:08

What are you actually working with her her

1:04:10

technique. You're saying she's handling her

1:04:12

programming. You're worrying whether

1:04:14

on her technique? Yeah.

1:04:17

I spot her on the bench. Technique

1:04:21

her technique's pretty much jiled in. It's it's

1:04:23

I

1:04:24

we might be just a training partner at this

1:04:26

point. Well, then just spot on.

1:04:29

Nope. Just keep your mouth shut and spotter

1:04:31

and everything. I'll Just be a training partner.

1:04:33

Just be a training

1:04:34

partner. Don't assume a position of don't

1:04:37

tell her that her squad's not

1:04:39

deep. Yeah. Yes,

1:04:42

sir. Video it. Yes, sir. And show

1:04:44

her the video and let her determine that

1:04:46

her squad's not brief. Okay.

1:04:50

SSR I mean, there you'll figure

1:04:52

out how to handle this, or

1:04:54

you'll figure out that you can't handle it, and

1:04:56

you'll do something different. One of the

1:04:58

two will occur. Alright? Yes,

1:05:02

sir.

1:05:02

Okay. Thanks for the call.

1:05:05

Thanks, sir. Bye. Follow us for more

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relationship advice.

1:05:08

Yeah. He said he said relationship advice

1:05:10

here at starting straight straight straight

1:05:12

straight. He

1:05:13

sounds he sounded young. Yeah. He sounded

1:05:15

young. Sure. Now,

1:05:18

you know, everybody's young

1:05:20

once.

1:05:25

Alright. Alright. It's all

1:05:27

the young kids calling today, man. We

1:05:30

talked to an old guy. Oh, we did talk to an

1:05:32

old guy in Florida. Old guy in

1:05:34

Florida. Yeah. Hello,

1:05:39

Brian. Is that you?

1:05:42

Yes, Brian. How are you? Hi,

1:05:44

Brian. I had a question. Hey,

1:05:46

how are you doing, Rick? Yeah. That last guy is

1:05:48

not gonna make it mad. That's that's not my

1:05:50

question. Right? He doesn't understand. He's

1:05:52

fucked. He doesn't

1:05:55

It's not gonna happen. Yeah. He's tall.

1:05:57

He's in support. And so

1:05:59

I had a question about lineal progression

1:06:02

and antibody weight. So I I

1:06:04

was a professional boxer. I managed several

1:06:07

professional boxers. I don't actively train

1:06:09

them. I manage them some really good guys.

1:06:12

So the problem that I see now,

1:06:14

especially with the newer boxers,

1:06:16

is they have the strength and conditioning coaches,

1:06:19

which think is their ridiculous. don't

1:06:21

think they're

1:06:22

good. I think they're horrible. They're functional

1:06:24

training. They're not strength and conditioning.

1:06:26

They're functional training. It's it's a bullshit

1:06:28

waste of

1:06:29

time. And it it

1:06:31

is It's just functional.

1:06:32

It's just

1:06:33

hurting them. It is. It's natural.

1:06:35

I need them to be stronger. I

1:06:37

I need them to be stronger. I need these guys

1:06:39

to be stronger. The problem I'm seeing

1:06:41

I wanted them to do compound movements.

1:06:44

I wanted to concentrate on the spot,

1:06:46

the deadlift on the press and the branch.

1:06:49

The thing we're seeing now is is sometimes when

1:06:51

these guys, I don't want them necessarily

1:06:53

to add Bodyweight. Some of these guys are smaller

1:06:55

people and they're from various

1:06:57

backgrounds where they're typically smaller

1:07:00

person and smaller bones, smaller attachments,

1:07:02

smaller joints. So if I have, like,

1:07:04

say, I have a hundred and eighteen

1:07:06

pound kid and I want them to get stronger.

1:07:09

I don't necessarily want him to start

1:07:11

jumping up in weight classes.

1:07:13

Would you have any advice for a guy?

1:07:15

I don't I

1:07:16

don't get I don't have any advice for that

1:07:18

because the physiological adaptation

1:07:21

of of strength requires

1:07:24

the addition of muscle mass. And

1:07:26

muscle mass weighs something.

1:07:29

And there's nothing either you or I can

1:07:31

do about that. If you've got a

1:07:33

kid who's a hundred and eighteen pounds

1:07:35

who needs to be a hundred and thirty two,

1:07:38

and you prevent him with

1:07:41

your advice from getting me hundred and thirty

1:07:43

two. Then you're not doing

1:07:45

him any favors, and you're not doing

1:07:47

yourself any favors either. You you've

1:07:51

got to stop thinking about

1:07:53

keeping people artificially light.

1:07:56

Because keeping them artificially light

1:07:59

keeps them artificially weak.

1:08:02

Now the the best

1:08:04

boxers in the history of the

1:08:06

sport We're

1:08:09

strong guys, weren't they? Well,

1:08:14

most of them are. Very strong. Yeah. They're very

1:08:16

strong guys. Even if they're very strong

1:08:19

guys, it'll light Bodyweight.

1:08:22

You know? Right. think that

1:08:24

some guy eyes are stronger than other guys. I

1:08:26

think also be just natural being being

1:08:28

natural explosive person.

1:08:29

Is that true? Explosive. Big, standing

1:08:32

vertical jump.

1:08:33

Some of the

1:08:33

regular efficiencies on it.

1:08:36

One fourteen,

1:08:37

one twenty three, they're never going

1:08:39

to be strong. But they're they

1:08:41

could be naturally

1:08:42

explosive. Could be naturally explosive. That's

1:08:44

where that is. Think

1:08:46

of the deficit they are in in terms

1:08:48

of their power production. Yep.

1:08:50

By being kept at an artificially line

1:08:53

Bodyweight, it's

1:08:55

always We don't need a we don't

1:08:58

Go ahead. No. I'm sorry. We

1:09:00

we don't keep them at at lighter body,

1:09:02

like, you know, in the professional boxing. These

1:09:05

guys will walk around ten to fifteen

1:09:07

pounds heavier then the weight they'll compete

1:09:09

at, I guess it would be similar to like

1:09:12

a Powerlifting event where you'd have to cut although

1:09:14

sometimes these guys are fifteen, twenty pounds

1:09:16

heavier. They do tend to bring

1:09:19

that strength down, yes, to a

1:09:21

few way classes

1:09:22

below. So my one hundred and eighteen, they walk around at

1:09:24

one hundred and thirty two. You

1:09:25

know,

1:09:25

and he may be as strong as a hundred thirty two pounders.

1:09:27

The next guy He's looking at I assure

1:09:29

you that if he drops from one thirteen,

1:09:32

one thirty two to one eighteen, he's

1:09:34

lost assure

1:09:36

you.

1:09:37

No. Absolutely.

1:09:38

But I I understand the consideration of

1:09:40

of height though. I understand you can't have you

1:09:42

can't box somebody that's five

1:09:44

three and have them get up to one

1:09:46

sixty. That they're they're just get destroyed.

1:09:48

So I understand that. There's gonna be a trade off to

1:09:50

all of this. There's a trade off to any

1:09:53

any decision in a weight class sport

1:09:56

is there's gonna be a trade off. Yeah. I understand

1:09:59

that. Mhmm. I understand that. But if you've got

1:10:01

a guy that could

1:10:03

compete in the one forty eight,

1:10:05

and you keep him at one twenty three,

1:10:08

you're fucking him up. Yeah. You're

1:10:10

fucking him up. And and to

1:10:12

well, he's competitive in the one twenty three.

1:10:14

Why? Do you think he

1:10:17

wouldn't be competitive in a one forty

1:10:19

eight? How do you

1:10:20

know?

1:10:20

Right. Well, that's that's

1:10:22

Unless you box him at one forty eight.

1:10:25

Yeah.

1:10:26

Right. Remember, I know what you're saying. It's just

1:10:28

that the one forty eight is gonna

1:10:30

be naturally one sixty. We drop down

1:10:32

that that would be the But here's normal

1:10:34

running and

1:10:34

tweak. Yeah. But if I but if you drop a guy

1:10:37

from one sixty down to one forty eight,

1:10:40

And you and he fights a guy

1:10:42

that's been one forty eight

1:10:44

that didn't drop down. That's

1:10:47

the factor. That's what I'm That's

1:10:50

the fact that, like, these guys will they

1:10:52

won't build just drugs drop down for the land

1:10:54

rep. And that's just you

1:10:56

know, put ten, fifteen pounds on overnight.

1:10:58

Yeah. No. Remember that I would Oh, so you've

1:11:00

got, like, a twenty four hour weigh in.

1:11:02

Yeah. Remember

1:11:03

remember, well, that's

1:11:05

Remember that the

1:11:06

guy -- Oh my god. -- the guys carrying

1:11:08

around more muscle are gonna be able to drop

1:11:10

weight easier. They'll

1:11:12

be able to put weight wait back on easier

1:11:14

before the the the

1:11:17

night, you

1:11:17

know, between the the way in and the actual fight

1:11:20

twenty four hour away. SSR

1:11:22

so yeah. So either

1:11:23

way four hours,

1:11:23

though. Yeah.

1:11:24

Either either way, you're it's

1:11:26

not a way in. Either way, you're

1:11:29

you're in no there there's no

1:11:31

negative to getting to

1:11:33

to starting the process of getting someone bigger

1:11:36

and stronger even especially if they're young guys.

1:11:38

You know, if these guys are under under

1:11:40

twenty five years old, you know,

1:11:42

you shouldn't you shouldn't hold them back. If they're getting

1:11:44

close to a fight, then you've gotta manage the

1:11:46

the weight and stuff like that. But Look,

1:11:48

if if you got an explosive kid who's who weighs

1:11:50

a hundred and fourteen pounds and you

1:11:52

put you put ten or fifteen pounds of body

1:11:55

weight on him, he's not gonna

1:11:57

respond to strength training the way your average

1:11:59

teenager responds to strength training. He's

1:12:01

gonna respond very very well because he's

1:12:03

explosive and he's gonna get much, much stronger.

1:12:05

SSR so what what you're

1:12:08

considering then is not putting

1:12:10

on you know x amount of weight

1:12:13

because you wanna keep him at a certain body

1:12:15

weight versus putting on

1:12:18

a little bit of some manageable, you know,

1:12:20

manageable amount of weight, you know, let's say fifteen pounds

1:12:23

or some thing, but potentially tripling that

1:12:25

kid's force production

1:12:28

because he's so explosive. You understand what

1:12:30

I'm saying? Now, once

1:12:32

I don't be saying, I just don't want them

1:12:34

to put on. I just don't want them

1:12:37

to go to the strength and conditioning or whatever

1:12:39

these guys

1:12:39

are. Just put on garbage weight, but

1:12:41

just putting on weight

1:12:42

for where SSR they gotta

1:12:43

get a measurable -- Yeah. -- they're

1:12:45

transferable. They're trying to get those kind

1:12:47

of straight coach are not gonna put any body weight on

1:12:49

a minute. No. They won't. Because they're not capable

1:12:52

of doing it. They won't. Yeah. You

1:12:54

know, you you put all body weight from

1:12:56

the squat, the deadlift. And the press

1:12:58

and the bench. That's how you put on body weight. By

1:13:01

training, what affects all of that

1:13:03

muscle mass all at the

1:13:05

same time. That's how you get bigger and

1:13:07

stronger. What? You don't do it with

1:13:09

single leg, Bulgarian, split

1:13:11

squat. Yeah.

1:13:14

I well, that's that's the problem is

1:13:16

when these guys get it in their head, they have the strength

1:13:18

and condition coach or whatever they call them.

1:13:20

That becomes an excuse for the boxer to

1:13:22

eat more and say, No. I'm gonna put on some lead.

1:13:24

I'm at muscle. Meanwhile, they're not

1:13:26

really are they really adding muscle? No. We can

1:13:29

measure you're not there. I didn't can you measure

1:13:31

their force

1:13:31

production, can their bench go up? Can their squat

1:13:33

go up? Not at all? Because they

1:13:35

don't do squats.

1:13:35

Right. SSR when I was

1:13:38

when I was in my mid twenties, I had

1:13:40

I I fought MoiTai. And I didn't

1:13:42

have a lot of fights. I only had three fights. But

1:13:45

I wait, I walked around naturally at one forty

1:13:48

five and I told my coach, I'm not cutting.

1:13:50

I refused to cut. So I

1:13:52

would I would consistently fight

1:13:54

guys that were ten, fifteen pounds heavier than me.

1:13:57

And because I had a weight background

1:13:59

and I was strong, I could hit real hard.

1:14:02

And that helped me out tremendously. I

1:14:04

only lost one of those fights to a decision. So

1:14:08

I don't know if that helps at all, but I never

1:14:10

cut weight. I just I fought guys that were a little

1:14:12

bit taller than me. Who were a little bit heavier

1:14:14

than me and it never never faced

1:14:16

me. I never walked into the ring and

1:14:18

said, fuck that guy's big, not

1:14:20

once. No.

1:14:22

I I mean, I had the opposite. I I was

1:14:24

walking around one seventy five. I'd

1:14:26

cut down the one sixty within two

1:14:28

or three days. I waited one fifty nine,

1:14:31

one sixty, the next stand walking a ring

1:14:33

at seventy two. Right. And I found it much

1:14:35

much

1:14:35

easier. But then again, everybody else

1:14:38

is doing it as well. Yeah. You know? But

1:14:40

but I was saying, okay. Had you not

1:14:42

gone through the stress? Of

1:14:44

dropping fifteen, twenty pounds of body

1:14:47

weight. Had you not gone

1:14:49

through the stress? And

1:14:51

had to recover from that artificially

1:14:54

imposed dress. How

1:14:56

would you have been in the fight?

1:14:59

Well, I would have been fighting somebody

1:15:01

who probably came down from one ninety to one

1:15:03

seventy five. So that that might

1:15:05

have been a problem. I

1:15:08

don't think you're appreciating what I'm telling you. I don't think you're appreciating what I'm telling you.

1:15:11

The the I don't I don't want to give

1:15:13

the form it soon. Hey, look man. The

1:15:15

the the point is that the the these kids need

1:15:18

to get stronger. And when the decision

1:15:20

comes, they they're gonna make a lot of

1:15:22

progress without

1:15:24

gaining weight at first. And when the time comes, it's

1:15:26

like, okay, we're gonna in order

1:15:28

to keep making progress here on the strength side of

1:15:30

things, we're gonna have to gain some weight and

1:15:32

it's gonna be, you know, whatever. It's gonna be tough

1:15:34

for these kids to gain weight anyway because they're boxing,

1:15:36

they're doing that however many days a week. They're

1:15:38

not eating enough. Right? So you're it's

1:15:41

problem that actually doesn't even exist because you're not

1:15:43

gonna get these little motherfuckers to eat enough food

1:15:45

to gain weight anyway. So you gotta

1:15:47

get them as strong as you can. And when the time comes,

1:15:50

where the question is, do we keep

1:15:52

strength training and do

1:15:54

the things that are required to keep getting stronger?

1:15:56

Then you're gonna have to have a separate conversation

1:15:58

with your with your self and with them about

1:16:01

what to do at that

1:16:01

point. But but

1:16:04

what you don't wanna do is is have all these

1:16:06

have all these thoughts and arguments ahead a time

1:16:08

and not do anything because then

1:16:10

that's just that's just pointless. Like, get them under the

1:16:12

bar, get them strong, and see what happens. The

1:16:15

the good thing here is that

1:16:17

you realize the problem over

1:16:20

at strength conditioning. These

1:16:24

guys are not coaching strength

1:16:26

conditioning, they're they're fooling

1:16:29

around. And they're playing

1:16:31

games, they're confusing, have

1:16:34

you read my article called the two factor

1:16:36

model of of sports performance? Yes.

1:16:40

Yes, I am. And What

1:16:43

those guys all do is

1:16:46

try to make practice general

1:16:50

and training specific, which

1:16:52

is the opposite of what it ought to be.

1:16:54

That's their primary problem.

1:16:57

They have no concept of

1:17:00

the difference between training and and practice.

1:17:03

And they have no concept between

1:17:05

the difference of the difference between

1:17:07

physiologic adaptation and skill.

1:17:10

There are two different situations. Alright.

1:17:13

And they just they just it completely eludes

1:17:16

them because they're herd animals.

1:17:20

You know, they read the journals and the magazines

1:17:22

and they they're unable to think for

1:17:24

themselves. So they they just,

1:17:27

you know, have you do one

1:17:29

legged split watch. Thinking

1:17:32

that that makes you more active and it's just

1:17:34

stupid. So

1:17:37

you've got that that part down.

1:17:40

And it's just, you know, I have never been

1:17:46

an appreciator of the artificial

1:17:49

limitations that that

1:17:52

weight class sports place

1:17:54

on our athletes. You

1:17:56

know, I I competed in powerlifting for

1:17:59

about ten years. And

1:18:01

I I know what making weight

1:18:03

does to me. I know what

1:18:05

making weight does to the people that I trained

1:18:08

with. And

1:18:10

I I also know that the

1:18:12

heavier you can go to the meat,

1:18:14

the better you're gonna lift. And

1:18:17

I just you know, I may not

1:18:20

appreciate the fact that the heavier

1:18:24

your box that

1:18:26

hadn't got anything to do without her,

1:18:28

you can hit the guy, but I kinda think it does.

1:18:32

And Pardon? It's

1:18:35

just just my limitations, probably.

1:18:37

But You sound like

1:18:40

you've got your guys in good hands

1:18:43

and

1:18:45

good luck to you. We can help you with

1:18:48

anything, let us know. Thank

1:18:49

you. Thanks for calling. Absolutely.

1:18:51

Thank you so much. Bye bye. Bye. Alright.

1:18:56

Alright. It's very much a rock

1:18:58

and a hard place because he wants his guys get strong,

1:19:00

but if they would wanna but they

1:19:03

have to get bigger, to get stronger, and

1:19:05

they don't want bigger because because then

1:19:07

the five six guy is gonna be fighting us, six

1:19:09

two

1:19:09

guy. Yeah. And

1:19:10

he will get destroyed maybe not. But,

1:19:12

you know But

1:19:14

it's always it's the the question is, are they

1:19:17

kids or not? Right? Yeah. So -- Yeah. Think adults

1:19:19

should do whatever the fuck

1:19:20

they want. You know, if their kids if they wanna cut

1:19:22

weight, they should cut weight, SSR whatever weight class you

1:19:24

want, try to be convincing. But Anybody

1:19:26

who's training teenagers or kids

1:19:29

wrestling, I don't give a fuck what it is.

1:19:31

You are you should not win them

1:19:33

back. When I was You are responsible both of the kids'

1:19:35

parents. When I was Once they're twenty five

1:19:37

They're twenty

1:19:38

five. They're responsible for themselves,

1:19:40

but when I was in powerlifting, IIII

1:19:43

was ninety pounds as a freshman. I was tiny.

1:19:45

So I looked in the one fourteens. And then

1:19:48

sophomore year, I started gain weight. And

1:19:50

my coach told me, hey, I need you to stop gaining

1:19:52

weight. You need to be lifting the one fourteens. So

1:19:56

there's no telling how much my

1:19:58

my growth was stunted.

1:20:00

Because I kept cutting -- Absolutely. --

1:20:02

until

1:20:02

over and it's and these people

1:20:05

it's high school wrestling coaches. And

1:20:08

ballet teachers have fucked up more

1:20:10

kids -- Mhmm. -- than smallpox.

1:20:13

Mhmm. I'm telling you, this is this

1:20:16

is a these people are

1:20:18

not they're selfish evil

1:20:20

motherfuckers is what they are. That's

1:20:23

right. They're selfish evil motherfuckers.

1:20:26

Interfere with the development of a kit

1:20:29

is selfish and evil. And

1:20:31

you people ought to go out and kill yourself.

1:20:34

Really, kill yourselves. Do

1:20:36

this all of favor.

1:20:39

Goddamn it.

1:20:40

Alright. Anyway, it's and the way they fix it

1:20:42

is just you you have them way as they're walking

1:20:44

into the ring. Yep. That's easy

1:20:46

fix. Right? Yep. As they're walking in, you have them way.

1:20:49

It's not a way in if you don't weigh

1:20:51

within an hour before you go in

1:20:54

the ring. It's not a way in. That's

1:20:56

not what that's called. Twenty

1:20:58

four hours is not a wan. That's

1:21:01

just a picture of where you were at some

1:21:03

point in history. You

1:21:05

know? At some

1:21:06

point, people

1:21:07

who are good at it gain every

1:21:09

every pound and and and then some more.

1:21:11

Yeah. Yes. They can't. They it's

1:21:14

a way to fight at a weight

1:21:16

that is not your weight class. It's

1:21:18

all in the hell it is. Yeah. That's

1:21:20

all it's for. Like,

1:21:22

I've heard of forty eight hour

1:21:24

weigh ins and

1:21:25

powerlifting. Now that is just

1:21:28

that's just faint to sell them what your weight is.

1:21:30

Like, why even weigh in? Why even weigh in?

1:21:32

Just calling in. Just just just

1:21:34

calling in. We'll just degrees Just email in

1:21:36

your

1:21:36

weight. I'm I'm a

1:21:37

I'm A205I

1:21:40

identify it as 205. At least

1:21:42

I identify it as 205 Bodyweight

1:21:44

hours ago. Wait wait at your house and take picture

1:21:46

of

1:21:46

it. Right. Let's

1:21:48

do that. Let's do one more. Alright.

1:21:51

One more. Hello.

1:21:55

You there? Hello?

1:21:59

Hello. Who's this? Hello.

1:22:03

Guys hear me? We can hear

1:22:05

you. Who are you? Oh,

1:22:07

you can hear me. Great. Michael

1:22:11

from New Jersey. Michael from New

1:22:13

Jersey.

1:22:15

That's right. Alright.

1:22:17

He made it all the way to the east

1:22:18

coast. Wow. I've

1:22:21

actually been in New Jersey.

1:22:23

I've been in New Jersey. Every time I was in New

1:22:25

Jersey, I thought I was in Blade

1:22:29

Runner. New

1:22:31

Jersey reminds me of Blade Runner.

1:22:35

Yeah. Got it. I went to New Jersey

1:22:37

once. It's a -- What's

1:22:39

the likelihood? --

1:22:40

gruesome. What are you telling me right now? This is cool.

1:22:43

Yeah.

1:22:45

SSR, anyway,

1:22:46

I'm fifty. Yep.

1:22:48

You're

1:22:49

what? I'm fifty. Alright. I'm a

1:22:51

competitive golfer. And

1:22:53

I wanna keep up with the young whippersnapper.

1:22:55

So I found starting strength Ben.

1:22:58

Good. I

1:22:59

got onto the bar, and I I

1:23:01

gained a lot of feed golfers about

1:23:03

feed.

1:23:03

Yep. And now I'm just long as these

1:23:05

guys, twenty five years younger than me, it's pretty

1:23:08

awesome. I I love my training

1:23:10

so much that I realized last summer,

1:23:12

I overdid it. And like

1:23:14

like, I'm my question is about

1:23:16

how to train in the

1:23:18

season, but keep on I worked so

1:23:20

hard. Like, like, could barely squat.

1:23:22

Ninety five pounds, and now I can squat two

1:23:24

seventy five --

1:23:25

Right. --

1:23:26

at, like,

1:23:26

you know, a hundred and eighty pounds

1:23:28

at fifty years old.

1:23:29

What hap let me ask you a question. What happened to

1:23:32

your club head speed? Did you have that

1:23:34

measured before and

1:23:35

after?

1:23:37

I'm a total data nerd. So that's great question.

1:23:40

So in twenty eighteen, it's about ninety

1:23:42

nine miles an

1:23:43

hour. It's very average for, like,

1:23:45

a a above

1:23:46

average male amateur. And

1:23:48

I I hit one fourteen and a half

1:23:50

last week, which is tour

1:23:51

average, so I got to a professional speed.

1:23:54

Wow. Well, that's good. That's good.

1:23:57

Excellent. You know? And even

1:23:59

if that doesn't go up much from here,

1:24:02

I mean, your your what are your what are

1:24:04

your lifts at one eighty?

1:24:06

You said your squat's two seventy five?

1:24:09

What's your dead lift? Yeah. Dead lift.

1:24:11

Zero five, bench

1:24:13

press. I don't max. I I

1:24:15

got, like, one ninety for five a few

1:24:17

weeks ago, so

1:24:18

maybe in,

1:24:18

like, the low two hundred.

1:24:20

Mhmm.

1:24:20

I was real weak when I so I'm I'm

1:24:22

proud of the of the of the game.

1:24:24

So now Well, you're doing pretty good.

1:24:27

You know, I there's at one

1:24:30

eighty. How tall are you? I'm

1:24:33

58581 eighty. A

1:24:35

Bodyweight.

1:24:36

You gained bunch

1:24:37

of weight. You could you could stand to

1:24:39

be one ninety. You

1:24:41

know? You could stand to be one ninety and

1:24:43

your lifts. Oh, my wife.

1:24:45

My goal is one night. I

1:24:47

think you need to weigh one ninety, and I think

1:24:49

you probably are gonna end up with

1:24:52

a three seventy five, maybe a four

1:24:54

hundred squat, four fifty deadlift,

1:24:58

and a two seventy five bench. And,

1:25:01

you know, probably a two hundred press.

1:25:04

And I think if you if you look if

1:25:06

you work for those numbers, then

1:25:08

your club head speeds probably gonna go

1:25:11

up to one twenty one, one twenty two.

1:25:13

You know? And SSR, here's

1:25:16

here's the deal with that. That most people

1:25:18

don't understand about about how this

1:25:20

applies to power. Alright? You're

1:25:23

you're gonna move as fast

1:25:25

as your Neuromuscular efficiency

1:25:28

will allow you to move. Alright.

1:25:31

Yep. That can't be manipulated

1:25:34

very much. It it responds

1:25:37

a little bit with practice.

1:25:39

It responds a little bit with

1:25:41

with strength. But it's not

1:25:43

the primary variable. The amount

1:25:45

of the amount of force

1:25:47

that you put into the ball

1:25:51

is what goes up when you

1:25:54

are swinging not just faster, but

1:25:57

harder. And

1:25:59

-- Yeah. -- and and it's it's you

1:26:02

know, I mean, we we use this example

1:26:05

in the seminar all the time. If I've got

1:26:07

a guy with an average

1:26:09

standing vertical jump, college kid

1:26:11

with an average standing vertical jump at twenty

1:26:14

two inches. That's not

1:26:16

athletically remarkable at all.

1:26:19

But if I take his squat from

1:26:21

one thirty five to

1:26:24

three eighty

1:26:24

five, what happens

1:26:27

to his power?

1:26:30

It's fourth production times goes up

1:26:32

because p -- Yep. f

1:26:34

is the fourth production times distance

1:26:37

over time. If you

1:26:39

if not triple the numerator

1:26:43

and you leave the denominator exactly

1:26:45

the same PEA

1:26:48

GOES UP.

1:26:49

I'M PAYING UP IT'S BEATIGING. RIGHT?

1:26:51

I'M OUT THERE, IT'S ninety degrees. IT'S about

1:26:53

five HOURS.

1:26:53

I And the stronger you

1:26:56

are, the more the stronger

1:26:58

you are, the less susceptible you are to

1:27:00

fatigue. That's absolutely true.

1:27:04

Would you alter your could

1:27:06

I de load in season and just lift

1:27:09

the keep the intensity high and

1:27:11

the volume

1:27:11

lower?

1:27:12

Well, and just like the age of fifty,

1:27:15

your volume should be low anyway,

1:27:17

and your intensity should be high. The

1:27:20

volume is is relatively low.

1:27:23

I I've taken that in. I've heard you guys say it

1:27:25

many times.

1:27:25

Right. And and I would I

1:27:28

don't know that I would I mean,

1:27:31

how often

1:27:33

do you go three or four

1:27:35

weeks for that playing golf.

1:27:39

In season, in

1:27:42

season SSR off

1:27:42

season? No. I mean, is there a season?

1:27:45

You play golf all the time?

1:27:48

Yeah. No. No. No. My season basically

1:27:51

we we we go our season starts

1:27:53

on mass business on TV. So so mid

1:27:55

April through September. So

1:27:57

we got about, you know, we get about

1:27:59

five months into And I have to

1:28:01

take, you know, I take months off in the winter, and

1:28:03

that's when I train real hard and try to make,

1:28:05

you know, a new game. Alright. I would train

1:28:07

real hard in the winter. And during

1:28:10

season, I would I would try to

1:28:12

get two workouts in

1:28:14

a week, and that'll be enough.

1:28:16

And then if you're training three days a week in

1:28:18

off season. But

1:28:21

no. You you absolutely can make

1:28:24

progress during

1:28:26

your golf season. You just

1:28:28

-- Thank you. -- you know, the time has to

1:28:30

be allocated to the gym. And

1:28:32

if you haven't got

1:28:33

it, we're gonna meet golf, your primary sport,

1:28:35

so you play golf. But you just

1:28:38

go instead of doing three sets across

1:28:42

during your season, you do one set.

1:28:45

You know, that's how you manage that. But

1:28:48

you keep the intensity up. You

1:28:51

keep the intensity up. And you

1:28:53

try for PRs, but

1:28:55

you don't try to do three sets cross

1:28:58

like you would in a normal application

1:29:00

of the novice program.

1:29:03

Even doing one set, you sometimes can

1:29:05

make small games as well. Yes, sir. Of

1:29:07

course, you can. Really? Wow.

1:29:10

Should I Of course, you should do the comp.

1:29:12

I

1:29:13

can try to do the three main lifts,

1:29:16

like a push, deadlift, and squat?

1:29:18

Both days or should I break it up?

1:29:21

I think you ought to do. If

1:29:23

you're only going two days a week, I think

1:29:26

that you probably would do all three

1:29:28

lifts each day. Alternate

1:29:31

bench and press, squat

1:29:33

-- Okay. -- one set of five,

1:29:36

deadlift, one set of five, and

1:29:38

you can do, you know, two, three sets

1:29:40

across on presses or benches without any

1:29:42

without any problem. Do that twice a week.

1:29:45

And then when it, you

1:29:48

know, when you get through at

1:29:50

the end of your season, then you go

1:29:53

back to normal three day

1:29:55

program.

1:29:55

Yeah. I think that

1:29:58

I've been I think it's recovered pretty well

1:30:00

because my lifestyle is really eating clean.

1:30:02

I sleep a lot. SSR, like, I don't

1:30:04

go crazy. I definitely never do III

1:30:07

I'm not trying to do, you know, Texas method

1:30:09

five across, but III do pretty

1:30:11

well off season with with a

1:30:13

medium amount of volume. I was my

1:30:16

question was how much does to drop it.

1:30:18

So you would you would squat and dead

1:30:20

lift

1:30:20

and alternate the presses on each of

1:30:23

those two days? That's what I would do.

1:30:26

Could I do a light a light day and I have

1:30:28

what would I

1:30:29

Well, keep being

1:30:30

hit Instead of a light day, you might

1:30:32

do AA1

1:30:34

day where you do

1:30:35

Well, it sets a three on the squad.

1:30:38

Set to three on the deadlift. And

1:30:40

then on the other day, you might do a set of

1:30:42

five, and you would adjust the loads for

1:30:46

the for the reps and

1:30:49

do both of them here. How

1:30:52

many triples would you do on the other?

1:30:55

On the well, I did one

1:30:57

triple. Only

1:31:00

one triple. And one set of five.

1:31:02

On the squad and deadlift. I

1:31:04

would do three sets across on the presses and

1:31:06

benches because they're not as fatigued.

1:31:10

A hundred percent. Yeah. So

1:31:13

that's

1:31:13

what I would do. So let me just make sure. I

1:31:16

think your I think your your

1:31:19

your approach here is is

1:31:22

progressive for golf. Golf seems

1:31:24

to be resistant to the

1:31:26

idea that there is a training

1:31:28

component to

1:31:29

it. Most

1:31:31

people approach golf. Most people

1:31:33

approach golf like it's a game, not

1:31:37

like it's a sport. A sport

1:31:39

has got both a training and

1:31:42

a practice

1:31:42

component. A game like

1:31:45

bill yards is just practice. Yeah.

1:31:49

Yeah. Right. Well, it's really cool. There's

1:31:51

there's some research out there, and the

1:31:53

highest correlation with club head speed is

1:31:55

actually one rep max back

1:31:57

spot. It's out there. It's in the literature. Well,

1:32:01

people should start reading the literature then

1:32:03

because, you know, we haven't had

1:32:05

a recent influx of golfers into

1:32:08

the into the gyms. You

1:32:12

know? Yeah, man. I worked with a

1:32:14

I worked with a golfer last month for

1:32:16

a little one workout.

1:32:19

And, you know, it just didn't

1:32:21

work out. You know, the guy didn't

1:32:23

-- Yeah. -- guy didn't stick with it.

1:32:25

The function came up with a back

1:32:27

pain or something like that, you know. And

1:32:30

I understand, you know, if your if your back

1:32:32

hurt your back hurts, can't play golf.

1:32:35

And if you're a pro golfer, you gotta

1:32:37

gotta play golf. So I understand

1:32:39

that, but the the the problem is is

1:32:41

that at some point

1:32:44

during the If you want

1:32:46

a professional golfer to continue

1:32:49

to improve, he's going

1:32:51

to have to introduce the concept

1:32:53

of training into his performance

1:32:56

preparation. And

1:32:59

practice is not training.

1:33:02

Yeah. I just looked up your two back their

1:33:05

article.

1:33:05

Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:06

Well, read that again. You know, it

1:33:09

seems seems all the pros are

1:33:11

training now. Like, for immaculate,

1:33:13

is an animal in the gym and in the gym.

1:33:15

I don't know how he I don't know if he's doing it right

1:33:17

though. I have no idea, you know. I have no

1:33:19

idea what he's

1:33:20

doing. He may be doing. Leg extensions

1:33:22

and just eating cheeseburgers. Understood.

1:33:25

We actually reset the ten:zero

1:33:28

guac two twenty five. I mean, he

1:33:30

I know. And you'd compound.

1:33:31

And you don't do tens on the squat.

1:33:35

That's True.

1:33:36

Don't do tens on the spot because

1:33:39

they're Yeah. That we wanna get

1:33:41

stronger. Yeah. So

1:33:44

SSR I don't know it. At some point, maybe it'll

1:33:47

maybe the the the thing will creep

1:33:49

into the into professional

1:33:52

sports, but at

1:33:54

at this point in time, I don't see it happening

1:33:57

next week. So

1:34:00

No. But it is cool when it like, from

1:34:02

ninety nine to one fourteen is, like,

1:34:04

five speed gears

1:34:06

faster.

1:34:06

Yeah. jumped

1:34:07

five five

1:34:09

Good. But every three miles when I about

1:34:11

is is a click. So good. I went

1:34:13

from, like, average picture

1:34:15

to, like, slow professional.

1:34:18

Well, tell everybody. Alright? Tell

1:34:21

everybody. And if

1:34:23

we can help them let us know. You

1:34:27

wanna is there anyone there wants to

1:34:29

open a starting strength gym in New Jersey

1:34:31

up front? No. Nope. No.

1:34:36

No. There are several states

1:34:38

in which we will not be. And

1:34:41

New Jersey is one of them. It's

1:34:43

the the your regulatory environment

1:34:47

is such that

1:34:48

you don't want us in New Jersey.

1:34:51

SSR

1:34:52

I agree.

1:34:52

That you do, you need

1:34:54

to move. That's what you need

1:34:56

to do. Alright.

1:35:00

You need

1:35:01

to move. Alright, man. Appreciate the

1:35:03

call. Thank

1:35:05

you. Thanks so much for taking care. Sure. K.

1:35:08

Yep. It's

1:35:10

wonderful. Great job, everybody. So

1:35:14

yeah.

1:35:14

And these call in things are pretty cool,

1:35:16

aren't they? We ought to gotta do one of these week.

1:35:19

No. It's not. Get on a do one now.

1:35:21

Well, alright. Whatever

1:35:23

you wanna do, we'll do. So Good.

1:35:25

Alright. SSR,

1:35:28

anyway, we appreciate you having been

1:35:30

here with us today on starting strength radio.

1:35:34

Call ins are always fun to talk

1:35:36

to the talk to the folks. Talk

1:35:39

to the little people. A

1:35:43

little bit. A little bit. Well,

1:35:46

I mean, that was 6642

1:35:48

fifty. 205 And the little guy, man.

1:35:50

Oh, yeah. You know, little little

1:35:52

dude.

1:35:54

But think of the horse that

1:35:56

guy's gonna turn into. Because

1:35:58

you'll do everything we told

1:36:00

them went to two ways. I

1:36:02

could have went two ways. Well, yes.

1:36:05

It may. How cool would it be, man? Yeah.

1:36:08

You

1:36:08

know? SSR Alright.

1:36:12

Mucky's having fun here. You said Having a good

1:36:14

time. You're having a good time. Don't blame

1:36:16

me, but all. Alright, guys.

1:36:19

We'll see you next week.

1:36:21

Me and the monkey. We'll see you. Next

1:36:24

week. Right here. Start

1:36:26

a drinker.