Alex and Lucy both work in research and development for visual effects company DNEG, one of the world's leading visual effects and animation studios for feature film and television.

Alex works in the build team, supporting the creation of digital actors, buildings and vehicles. Lucy works in the 'fur' team, who develop tools to help artists bring furry creatures to life by making their hair move in a believable way.

In this extended episode, Dan and Rhoda speak to Alex and Lucy to find out what makes a digital character look real, the coding languages used by software developers in visual effects and much more.