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2:50

my name's adam bligh i'm fifty

2:52

one years old living

2:54

in pittsburgh pennsylvania working

2:56

for the pittsburgh catholic diocese

2:59

then trains exorcist for a living

3:02

i was contacted by his publicist

3:04

a couple months ago to see if i was interested

3:06

in having him on the podcast as

3:09

you may remember from season one of the

3:11

show possession was my first

3:13

through supernatural fear so

3:15

the opportunity to speak with someone who

3:18

deals with possession on a regular basis

3:20

was exciting and the flip side

3:23

of the coin of excitement as nervous

3:25

as i , before i responded

3:27

to her i found my anxious brain

3:30

predicting various ways that my conversation

3:32

with adam would go i'm no longer

3:34

a practicing catholic what if catholic what

3:36

said something to offend him when if

3:38

he made me so scared of guilty for making

3:40

my living in the paranormal what if

3:43

i'd be opening him up to ridicule from listeners

3:45

who may not agree with what he said i

3:48

was absolutely over thinking everything

3:50

classic me and once i settled

3:53

my thoughts i reminded myself

3:55

i'm here

3:56

and i said at the time to meet

3:59

with adam today's

4:01

episode adam shares his journey

4:03

from mental health specialist access

4:05

to strainer discusses how demonic

4:07

possession happens what exorcism

4:10

they're like what demons are and

4:12

what they do and how one becomes

4:14

an exercise

4:16

now the

4:25

i've been involved in the

4:27

a lay person not as a priest been involved

4:30

in the exorcism ministry for about fifteen years

4:33

and , this point i

4:35

help here locally and are diocese

4:37

but i also have been helping to train

4:39

priests national conferences

4:42

conferences going in and training at like clergy days

4:45

and consultations for about a decade

4:47

so yeah for

4:50

some reason gotta stop me really involved

4:52

in the world of extra some how

4:55

i got into it is something everybody always wonder

4:58

isn't it is strange because i'm a lay person

5:00

and only a priest can do exorcisms

5:02

a with permission from their bishop so

5:05

, of the cliffs notes version is

5:08

i was in graduate school studying brainwave

5:10

data in order to infer structure

5:12

and function of the brain is part of a phd

5:15

program program clinical

5:17

psychology and i

5:19

was curious after studying gnosis

5:21

for my masters whether these

5:23

strange experiences that people that

5:26

were just an artifact of the brain

5:28

because we have seen in the lab that

5:30

through hypnosis if you're hypnosis

5:32

apple and there's no way to know if you are

5:35

where you're not you just have to try it

5:37

and i don't advise trying it

5:39

at advise point five if you're hypnotizes

5:42

will you can induce hallucinations

5:44

you can make somebody here a ghost if

5:46

they're very hypnotize will hear disembodied

5:48

voice that isn't there you can put one

5:50

bottle of pepsi on the table and make them see

5:52

to and they'll swear up and down with two bottles

5:55

of pepsi on the table so we

5:57

knew that the brain can produce

5:59

false [unk] variants is that the person or completely

6:01

real and a paranormal crazed

6:04

was just starting at ,

6:06

time this is one like the tv show goes on

6:08

issues responding out out

6:10

so i was curious whether any of this was real

6:12

or meaning a genuine

6:14

spiritual thing or if it was all just mental

6:17

illness misunderstanding and people get

6:19

themselves worked up and so

6:21

i started going out ems

6:23

looking at some places

6:25

and cases where people claimed that

6:27

the strengths things were happening and and

6:29

seen these people for myself because i was

6:32

trained in diagnosing mental illness i've

6:34

seen quite a bit of it in the training clinics

6:37

i've done some work in the state prisons here

6:40

as an intern and seen a lot of severe

6:42

mental illness there though

6:44

i felt somewhat equipped to go out

6:47

and try to figure that out and

6:49

, pretty quickly bumped into obsessed

6:51

person where the psychology

6:54

and neuroscience that i've been studying didn't

6:56

account for what i was seeing

7:01

there was a house case that was

7:04

seemed like looking back on it

7:06

now at a note was demonic infestation

7:08

that was violent haunting people

7:10

are being physically hurt both the main

7:13

person that seem to be the target

7:15

of and her boyfriend they

7:17

had both been physically hurt when there

7:19

was pictures of the bruises on the scratches

7:22

i don't mean just like what you see and paranormal

7:24

things today were like somebody is little scratch

7:26

on their arm and they're freaking out i mean

7:28

like from downstairs and seriously

7:30

damaged or choked until their throat

7:33

as all bruised up that stuff

7:35

and worse that i'm not gonna talk about so

7:39

this person wanted to know

7:41

if the thing that seem to

7:43

be whispering into their ear every time they

7:45

would be going to sleep at night only in this

7:47

house was something

7:50

spiritual were just a bedroom and

7:53

they could never remember what it said and so

7:55

they asked me if i would hypnotized them

7:57

to try to remember what it was saying because

7:59

it's

7:59

the be saying maybe the same thing every night

8:02

they can never remember when they woke up so

8:05

after a lot of debate and calling around

8:07

some friends i didn't

8:10

know decided to try hypnosis in

8:12

that situation the and very

8:16

quickly not getting very foreign and hypnotic

8:18

and bucks and at all different

8:20

voice came out of the person said what do you think

8:22

you're doing she's ours no you're

8:25

not going to hypnotize or and

8:27

when i tried to do kind of the reversing the hypnotic

8:30

induction would you typically do to bring somebody

8:32

out of a hypnotic trance which we hadn't even

8:34

gotten into in the first place they

8:36

, laughed and said that soccer work on us

8:39

us different voices came out of her

8:41

over time they

8:44

seem to know things they shouldn't be able to

8:46

know this was

8:48

all in the context of the above house

8:50

where you would see somebody black shadows

8:52

moving around doesn't actually

8:54

reporters the city

8:56

newspaper have been at this house because also

8:58

notoriously haunted previously and

9:01

had been scared out of the house into taking pictures

9:04

of the somebody black shutters

9:06

that were and the fully left right kitchen

9:09

so yeah between the context of the haunting

9:12

the things he sings were saying and the fact that

9:14

she was completely sane during

9:17

the day i'd seen no hint of

9:19

mental illness in her which believe

9:21

means you've been around somebody is

9:24

horrible does to have multiple personalities

9:27

you would pick up on the fact that them traumatized

9:30

and have mental illness it's not something

9:32

that years unfortunately he noticed

9:34

to take the normal walking around or at least

9:36

not to the eyes of somebody is you

9:38

know trained and mental illness so it

9:41

didn't matter so in the

9:43

end of that situation i

9:45

was pretty sure that it was a genuine

9:47

spiritual phenomenon that it wasn't to

9:50

owners at least in the case of this person and

9:52

this house because i've seen the photos i

9:55

talked with them i'd met

9:57

a lot of liars and prison and it was my job

9:59

to pearl evaluations and

10:01

deal with manipulators and liars

10:03

professionally i was confident

10:06

they weren't knowingly lying to me that

10:08

they've really been hurt by something em

10:10

down so that's kind

10:12

of those the short version of

10:17

it's hard to say how common it is because

10:19

the only people that we learned

10:22

over the people that are asking for help so

10:24

there could be a thousand people out there for every

10:27

one that comes for help of because we never

10:29

hear from them we don't know

10:32

i can tell you that in any given

10:34

year typically there's

10:36

four of five possession cases

10:39

genuine possess some cases the come

10:42

to the diocese in ask for help

10:44

and they turn out to be real and

10:46

that's unlike every major city in the country

10:49

it happens in rural areas too but

10:52

just to give you a ballpark forty five new

10:54

cases a year and it's not like

10:56

in the movies where it's a ten minute prayer and it's

10:58

over six months to two

11:00

years is on average six months to two years

11:02

a weekly sessions this kind

11:04

of the average for somebody to be completely

11:07

free

11:08

there was there are four to five legitimate

11:10

possession cases a year power

11:12

the happening

11:13

there's no like genetic trait

11:15

or cultural trade or anything like

11:17

that that makes more susceptible it's

11:19

all about forming a relationship

11:22

with the spirits so any

11:24

human being it's an act of the will

11:27

your choice

11:29

to play around with these spirits and

11:32

thereby invite them and your life so

11:34

anybody through an act of the will ten

11:37

invite these problems into their life and

11:39

essentially , you're doing is

11:42

you're asking that spirit either for

11:44

comfort information or power

11:46

in some form so black

11:50

magic is essentially that it's

11:52

seeking our for yourself

11:55

so

11:56

the magicians perspective is my

11:58

will be done i want the

12:00

money or want the power i want

12:02

the girl i want the car whatever

12:04

it is it's about me me me and

12:06

i do this ritual and wiggle my fingers and

12:08

say these words and then magically

12:10

i get what i want that's kind

12:13

of them the magicians prospective is my

12:15

will be dot the christian

12:17

perspective is thy will be done it's a

12:19

submission to god so

12:22

at the core of most possession cases

12:24

is some form of black magic because

12:27

you've turned to that spirit

12:30

the created spirit that isn't god

12:32

and you're asking it's to do you favors

12:34

and died your spiritual life either

12:37

tell me what the afterlife this like tell me that

12:39

my dead mother is somewhere in she's okay

12:42

manifests for me here while i'm recording

12:44

it so it can get sits on my youtube

12:46

channel you're you're cutting deals

12:48

with these things and it's

12:51

all violations of the first commandment from

12:54

a christian perspective in the first commandment is

12:56

put god first love god with your whole been

12:59

and when you tell god essentially

13:01

what you're telling god you're not saying it but you're

13:03

saying trust you i'm

13:05

not going to wait on you i want my answers

13:07

from this other spirit right now on

13:10

my terms and and essentially

13:13

what i calmed him to realize

13:15

over the years after so

13:17

many cases of paranormal investigators

13:20

that ended up having

13:22

problems not necessarily being full blown

13:24

possessed though summer the

13:26

most of them end up with house cases are being

13:28

oppressed there's i realized

13:31

over the years that really ghost hunting

13:33

which technically from a christian perspective is

13:35

forbidden as necromancy

13:38

is is

13:39

one of the things a causes a lot of these problems

13:41

so generally for full blown

13:43

possession you're generally talking about

13:46

hardcore witchcraft hardcore satanism then

13:48

i don't mean i bought a book at the mall witchcraft

13:51

mean like somebody who's really getting

13:53

into ritualistic magic and

13:55

and calling up spirits and cutting deals

13:57

with them and same thing for satanism not

14:00

political satanism the just does stand

14:02

some trust make your parents upset but you

14:04

know we're cutting deals with demons so

14:07

yeah in our culture

14:09

right now i'd say it's more

14:12

common and is becoming increasingly common

14:14

because we no longer teach

14:17

the you know millennia

14:20

old cautionary tales that

14:23

used to be baked into our culture you

14:25

know it used to be that you don't play with weed

14:27

you boards and everybody just knows that now

14:30

there's celebrated in a lot of places

14:32

and because everybody

14:35

learns from their phones are other t these

14:37

are the movie screen nobody learns

14:39

from church anymore a lot

14:41

of dangerous stuff is being normalized

14:44

and so as we become less religious

14:47

as a culture people have been a

14:49

need for spirituality they have that itch

14:51

which i think is why the paranormal is

14:53

so popular because it promises

14:56

to give you spiritual experiences quickly

14:59

and easily in you can just go do this and get

15:02

that answer

15:04

many of you listening already know

15:06

a lot of these things adam is talking

15:08

about are things i do for a living

15:10

talking to spirits practicing witchcraft

15:13

running paranormal investigations i

15:15

told him that i was a paranormal investigator

15:18

and i do find it frustrating that most

15:20

tv shows don't actually seemed

15:22

to help the people in need so

15:25

i asked him for some advice on how we

15:27

can be more helpful on these cases

15:29

okay so

15:31

the resolutions easy it's prayer

15:33

we deal with human spirit hauntings on

15:36

a regular basis and it's really easy

15:38

and by deal with i mean we

15:40

resolve it we don't go there to record

15:43

things are gathered data will

15:45

talk with the family talk with whoever is involved

15:49

we don't set up equipment we don't try to

15:51

get manifestations when

15:53

we have enough experience that we're

15:55

talking with the people we know whether

15:58

it sounds legit or not and and

16:00

legit poor soul hauntings it

16:03

says he you get experience over the years

16:05

and so yeah souls

16:07

in purgatory which are people on their way

16:09

to heaven so they died and they weren't perfect

16:12

most of us are not perfect when we die

16:14

and so they can have to go through

16:17

a final purification before they can be was

16:19

got so those souls in purgatory we

16:21

sometimes called him poor souls they

16:24

can benefit from us praying for them so

16:27

a lot of these ghost hunting groups a

16:29

vaguely say we're here to help

16:32

they don't actually do anything they come in and record

16:34

stephens a yep it's haunted there

16:36

we helped and the people are like people's

16:38

yeah we told you that that's why we called you

16:41

and , often times

16:44

like we've had many cases where

16:46

families with called the church after paranormal

16:48

groups have come through everything

16:50

gets worse the me call

16:53

the priest or or call the church so

16:55

it's real simple he just pray for the dead

16:58

and you're praying for the remission the

17:00

technical way you know taught value

17:02

praying for the remission of the temple component

17:04

of their sense so basically their

17:06

, and purification that's

17:08

required for them to be purified

17:10

completely can be sped up through

17:12

the charitable act of a living person

17:15

person that can take any for me what if you're

17:18

if you're catholic you can flip pray a rosary

17:20

for them if you're christian you can pray

17:22

ten our fathers for fathers i'm not

17:24

saying that ten our fathers is gonna instantly

17:26

make that souls purgatory be done

17:29

it's it's usually not but

17:32

substantial prayer usually will

17:35

cause all the manifestations to stop

17:38

and then typically will

17:40

have have say masses for that

17:43

soul in addition later

17:46

and i can tell you from dealing with many

17:48

of these cases over the years that you

17:50

go in and forty five minutes of prayer

17:53

and it's done and never comes back

17:55

so i

17:57

think that's genuine helping especially

17:59

in a murder suicide you can kind of

18:02

presumed that they're in distress there's a problem

18:05

and , go on and we pray you know prayers

18:07

for that soul and i'm not again

18:09

i'm not saying like one our father and sap

18:11

your fingers and say it's over i'm talking

18:13

substantial prayer and whatever god

18:15

requires and then it's done so

18:18

it's done approach is very different as

18:20

opposed to trying to investigate it and

18:23

the other thing is we don't need to have certainty

18:25

that there's those

18:27

it sounds like it sounds

18:29

like a legit typical real trees

18:32

you don't need to be sure the something's where

18:34

the prayers of wasted

18:36

so god will apply those prayers to some

18:38

other soul is there isn't a porthole

18:40

there the don't have the prayers

18:42

never wasted from a christian perspective

18:45

so basically i'm sam instead

18:47

of all the ghost hunting just pray

18:49

for the dead and you don't

18:51

have to go and somebody sadek or basement to do

18:53

that you think pray for the dead every

18:55

wednesday night five o'clock or whatever

18:57

you wanna do

19:03

now

19:04

the paranormal investigator when they say

19:06

give me a sign your present say something intimate

19:08

quarter

19:09

the the summer talking to a ghost usually

19:12

that a poor soul that so on it's

19:14

way to heaven that isn't purified

19:16

yet isn't gonna talk to your

19:18

new recorder if you were to say

19:20

do you need prayer they might say

19:23

yes and that's it they're

19:25

not gonna draw you into violating the first

19:27

commandment and sinning because

19:29

they're on their way to god they're not going to

19:31

draw you into said it doesn't make

19:33

sense and anything

19:35

beyond yes i need prayer there's

19:38

gonna lead to your fascination

19:40

you're playing twenty questions with it wasn't

19:42

like on the other side is my grandma their

19:45

whatever it is all of those things

19:47

are violations of the first commandment so

19:50

when the paranormal investigators playing around with

19:52

something that seems to be manifesting it's

19:55

almost always almost demon pretending

19:57

to be something else

19:59

because

20:02

and holy angel isn't gonna do

20:04

that because the holy angels not gonna help

20:06

you buy leap first commandment a

20:08

poor soul on the way to heaven isn't gonna do that

20:11

the saints in heaven isn't gonna help you violate

20:13

the first commandment the put yourself in mortal

20:15

sin the only thing that's left is a theme

20:18

mail the poor soul ten

20:20

signal there's signal need for prayer and

20:22

so there are cases particularly where there's been

20:25

murders or suicides were

20:27

poor souls and then also rectory convents

20:30

monsters and churches are are really

20:32

common for these where they may

20:34

signal their presence without talking

20:36

you're saying too much but there might be footsteps

20:39

or might be gentle knocking there

20:41

, be either picture falls off the wall the anniversary

20:43

of their deaths something little

20:46

but the big differences it's not destructive

20:48

and it's not scary they're

20:51

not trying to scare you were destroy things

20:53

are breaks so

20:55

your coils that you're not dealing with anything

20:57

good is when it wants to

20:59

have a long conversation and when it

21:01

feels and starts acting really scary

21:04

that's those are clues that you're dealing with

21:06

something bad in general

21:08

my advice unfortunately would be to avoid

21:10

those telling altogether because

21:13

nine times out of ten is going to end up feeling

21:16

emails and so many people that

21:18

get into ghost honey eventually

21:21

they have problems down the world

21:23

they get out

21:24

that i know lots of people think

21:27

it's harmless because the tv shows

21:29

make it seem harmless and they purposely

21:31

don't show the consequences of

21:33

doing the stuff they don't show the effect on the people's

21:36

lives as the celebrities on the tv

21:38

shows i know most of them

21:40

their private lives in it is a lot

21:42

of impact but

21:44

hardly that doesn't sell rating and

21:47

, hollywood sanitizes it makes

21:49

it seem like a harmless hobby but

21:51

i can tell you from experience i'm not

21:53

just like a bible thumper saying you shouldn't do it

21:56

i've been involved i've been for a long time now

21:58

and i've seen the train wrecks come

22:00

out of those tonic samsara that's a

22:02

long answer that

22:07

i'm used to dismissing my family's warnings

22:09

about ghost hunting but hear

22:11

these warnings from warnings man who has seen

22:13

and experienced things experienced haven't

22:16

definitely hits differently then

22:19

he returned from the break adam talks

22:21

about the process of becoming an exorcist

22:24

more details on demons and possession

22:26

and some of the scariest things he's

22:29

witnessed

22:37

muriel it quick

22:39

and easy but a lot of cereal

22:41

or too sugary and me

22:43

one

22:50

sugar and thirteen or fourteen for hims

22:52

if anything

22:56

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before the break adam was discussing

23:57

how most human hauntings can be solved

23:59

with sickness in prayer and out prayer

24:01

could come from anybody that

24:03

is not the case for demonic possessions

24:06

these cases require a highly trained

24:09

exorcist and the odds of being

24:11

appointed as one are fairly low

24:14

you can't just do it because you want to do it

24:16

your bisher pesto point that priests

24:18

so number one you have to be a priest that's

24:21

a whole tenure process and

24:23

you have to be accepted you can't say i want to be

24:25

a priest you must training the

24:28

and then after that your bishop

24:30

may or may not a point you to be an exorcist

24:33

probably won't cause there's usually one

24:35

maybe two per diocese

24:38

usually one and there'll be

24:40

the exorcist for decades and then

24:42

a new one will be appointed so the odds are not

24:45

hi that you're gonna be appointed

24:47

once your appointed typically you're

24:49

an apprentice for a couple years

24:52

you will go to some academic settings

24:54

training conferences

24:57

pope leo the thirteenth institute as a training

24:59

institute for exercise it's more the academic

25:01

peace the classroom piece is

25:04

quite a bit to be covered their theology

25:06

studying old cases just

25:09

cases bunch of stuff and

25:11

and most importantly you're you're gonna need to sit

25:13

in with the exorcist

25:16

that are experienced and sit

25:18

in on like a weekly basis for a couple

25:20

years see a whole bunch

25:22

of different types of cases different types

25:25

are manifestations when demons and tricks

25:27

and nonsense they do get

25:29

a feel for it and then once

25:31

you've assisted you've assisted bit and seen

25:33

a whole lot for a few years typically

25:36

the bishop of points and to be in full exorcist

25:38

not not kind of an apprentice and

25:41

at that point they start dealing with cheese cases

25:43

on their own typically

25:46

the first five years of being an exorcist

25:49

you're still calling your friends frequently and

25:51

asking for advice or or checking in

25:53

and saying i just saw this today that was knew

25:55

what does that mean but typically

25:57

after five years your kind of on your feet

26:00

some people the bishop may as

26:02

to do it and they'll immediately say

26:06

i can't i'm not the right person please don't

26:08

make me they just won't even start

26:11

there's various reasons for that so that's

26:13

one category people another

26:16

category is you're

26:18

never really know if you're cut out for it

26:20

until you actually walk in the room and an exorcism

26:22

is going on so you can imagine

26:25

you can be the armchair exorcist

26:27

and say well if it was me i would do this

26:30

but you you really don't know what it's like until

26:32

you're actually in the roman you know yeah

26:35

you just can't do it i

26:38

imagine it would kind of like being a cop or a

26:40

soldier

26:41

where

26:42

sold your would probably say you

26:44

can understand combat until you've

26:46

done so i'm

26:48

not equating it was combat but it's kind of that

26:50

that's a good analogy for it i'm

26:52

so some people come in

26:55

then they sit in once for

26:57

a little while the demon turns to them and says

26:59

something and gets under their scanning and

27:01

they just never come back but honestly

27:05

that's rare

27:06

because we're so careful about who

27:08

we asked to get involved in the first place

27:10

so it's somebody that you already know well

27:14

or it's real clear gods calling on to

27:16

that you don't casually let people sitting

27:18

on the stuff it's not as spectator sport

27:20

where somebody like you know i just want to see

27:22

it on because then you're there

27:25

for a selfish reason

27:26

and if you're there for selfish reasons as opposed

27:29

to tied to pray for that person

27:31

i think is less protection for you because

27:34

you're there for selfish reasons and so

27:36

we don't wanna be responsible for the harm

27:38

like a come to that person if we let them do

27:40

that

27:42

you know no one person is doing all the

27:44

time

27:45

though i might be helping was like the actual

27:48

coaching the actual exorcisms

27:51

and i might sometimes do lectures here

27:53

and there and then i

27:55

have friends that are in a running like the

27:57

pope leo the thirteenth institute up and should

28:00

go where the doing more structured or courses

28:02

that like five or six different teachers are teaching

28:04

at and i might go up there and do lecture once

28:07

in awhile so it's

28:09

not like there's one thing like

28:11

don't know like getting a college degree you know

28:13

it's not like there's one route to do it

28:16

it kind of it depends

28:20

if you do on have

28:22

what's called a solemn exorcism of a person

28:24

you've never ever be alone so there's

28:27

always a team of people they're generally

28:29

you have two three four women adults

28:32

that are mature sitting in and praying

28:35

the rosary are praying some type of prayer

28:37

and also being observers especially

28:40

, a woman was the person you were praying for

28:43

for addition is addition you'd have

28:45

contacts in the medical community and the

28:47

psychological community because the church

28:49

doesn't do x for systems without first having

28:51

the person evaluated medically and psychologically

28:54

to be sure that their complaints can be

28:56

explained by mental or medical illness

29:00

the doctor says yeah this looks just like bipolar

29:02

psychotic symptoms we ,

29:04

don't the idea that it's a demon and

29:07

start praying over somebody because i could cause

29:09

a lot of harm other person's like what the church since

29:11

i'm possessed so nothing's had for had

29:14

i'm so the churches very careful

29:16

about finally concluding that a person's

29:18

actually possessed it's a very high bar

29:21

you really have to cut prove it and yes to disprove

29:24

that it's medical and psychological

29:31

a lot of people are interested in demons because

29:33

it's popularized and that spooky and

29:35

people make movies about it but what

29:38

demons are our fallen angels

29:40

not bad people i'm hitler

29:42

didn't become a demon their fallen

29:44

angels with fellow at the beginning of time there

29:47

were created by god they

29:49

were given free will they

29:51

could choose yes or no and they were told

29:53

that they were created for and god said

29:55

will you do your job a third

29:57

of them said no

29:59

the

29:59

it was passed out to heaven down to earth to

30:02

rome here until the final judgment

30:04

when gonna , for

30:06

punishment and so that third

30:08

that said no

30:10

well the earth

30:12

trying to take as many of us out as possible

30:15

before they run out of time

30:17

so

30:19

who birds said yes to god led

30:21

by michael the archangel and

30:24

those are the of what we would consider angels

30:26

or holy angels specifically the

30:28

angels it fell are diminished

30:30

and deformed but they're still angel

30:33

they use their god given gifts

30:35

for the opposite so an angel

30:37

created to inspire chastity

30:40

or self control if

30:42

it fell might become a demon of lust

30:44

those using it's faculty

30:46

it's using it's gifts but it's using

30:49

them for the reversal what they were given for and

30:51

so you get be specialized creatures

30:54

and they're all good at inciting particular

30:56

sense it's never

30:58

just one so there's

31:01

always always of them there

31:03

and a hierarchy so

31:05

our that nine choirs of angels some

31:07

fell from all choirs see basically of

31:09

nine ranks of demons so

31:12

you have a cut of middle management one

31:14

say rank five or six it'll have

31:16

a number under it in that hierarchy

31:18

if you think of the military organization so

31:20

the ones that are under it when it's cast out go

31:23

with their the you can cast

31:25

out whole groups of them at a time but

31:27

there's never just one unless it's

31:29

a very end of the case and there's only one last

31:32

that's the only time there's gonna be one in there

31:34

so yeah it's always it's always many

31:37

though it's not a big deal about how many

31:39

it is it really doesn't matter

31:42

it's all about when god wants the case

31:44

to and

31:46

who is a protest percent always

31:48

has multiple demons within them where's

31:50

the person's soul during this time

31:53

it leave the body

31:54

now the sole doesn't leave the body so

31:57

the person's in there

31:59

no feel that they're helpless

32:02

kind of like i don't know imagine that you're in

32:04

your basement and the basement door is closed

32:07

and he can hear the conversation up in the living

32:09

room

32:09

but

32:10

they can't hear you and you can't interact

32:13

with them kind of like that so

32:15

often say that they're in the dark place and they

32:17

can hear what's going on in the room to they have no

32:19

control over their body or their voice

32:21

that's typically what people experience

32:24

or they just blackout entirely

32:26

and they wake up two hours later and

32:28

say what happened you gotta be

32:31

very careful about assuming the just because

32:33

somebody has to last time that it means

32:35

are possessed because

32:37

the

32:38

psychological things that are much more

32:40

common than possession that can also account

32:42

for that so you want to be careful assume

32:45

jumping to the conclusion oh it's a demon

32:47

when you know you find out the person

32:49

has had a serious drug history or

32:52

arm they've had a trauma history and maybe

32:54

they're dissociating you know or

32:57

they're on a medicine that can cause memory

32:59

loss whatever it is you want to rule

33:01

out all the mundane things first but

33:04

that being said in genuinely

33:06

possess people yes they do have episodes

33:08

last time were suddenly they wake

33:11

up and realize are standing on the street

33:13

twelve blocks from their house on weight

33:16

it's thursday blessing i know it was tuesday

33:19

why am i wearing these different clothes

33:21

things like that

33:22

where they have significant last time

33:25

where the demons or taken over and were walking

33:27

around in their body and the person was checked out

33:31

i know the demonic possession is usually

33:33

sensationalized and entertainment but

33:35

even strips away from the special effects

33:38

and the atmospheric music it

33:40

still sounds pretty horrifying

33:42

i asked adam if he ever got scared dealing

33:45

with this on a regular basis

33:47

no i'm and it's

33:49

not about being courageous are tough

33:51

for anything like that i've just

33:53

always been a real mellow person the

33:56

stuff doesn't really faze me

33:58

anyway thank god me that way

34:00

and so yeah from first time

34:03

haven't

34:05

with some of these creatures i think

34:07

it would be reasonable to be afraid or at least

34:09

be startled by them because

34:11

i do scary things but they're just poem had

34:13

games

34:15

now that being said they're sincerely

34:17

dangerous creatures especially if you're messing

34:19

with them

34:20

you're not doing it because god wants

34:22

you to be doing that work so

34:26

well not afraid of them when

34:28

i go to access is not every week you

34:30

know would deal with them all them time

34:33

it's a normal part of life now but

34:35

if somebody were to think they could pick

34:38

up a book on exercise i'm and just

34:40

because they feel their will is strong they're gonna

34:42

go exercise this house or this person

34:45

then you're going to experience

34:47

some as have a very dangerous creature

34:50

because you don't have kind

34:52

of the protection of god that you're doing

34:54

legitimate work for god

34:57

yeah adam to share some of the scariest

34:59

had games he'd ever witnessed

35:01

or mean

35:03

the no

35:04

the give you two examples one is

35:08

we're talking by by moving our

35:10

throats and our lives and pushing air and and how

35:13

i , somebody just sitting

35:15

without taking without breathing just with

35:18

their mouth hanging open and not moving

35:20

at all and , voice

35:22

the came from all sides of the room simultaneously

35:26

that was coming out of them and it sounded like

35:29

it sounded like the sound coming out of like

35:31

a gorilla size chest the

35:34

deep resident noise it didn't

35:36

sound humid and it was also coming

35:38

from all sides of the many to same time

35:41

that is pretty pretty wild

35:43

seen a person during an exorcism

35:47

the job towards the

35:49

reason screw screwed

35:51

into the walder tuck hang a painting on

35:54

in the room on the far side his room and

35:56

they they reaching out towards at other

35:59

like fifteen feet

35:59

the

36:00

staring at it and it ripped out of the wall

36:03

flew across room into their hands

36:05

and on they then used as a weapon

36:08

that was a little crazy and

36:11

most people wonder about levitation

36:13

i've not yet seen levitation

36:15

it's pretty rare maybe

36:17

one and two hundred cases and

36:20

, there's two forms of it that i have

36:22

many friends that have seen it that i

36:24

trust and played semi know them very well

36:27

and they don't like talk about a publicly

36:29

they're not trying to get attention nice you don't even

36:31

know who these people are the the exorcist i

36:33

mean mean kind of two versions

36:36

one is were typically the person's laying

36:38

on the floor and they'll come up about six twelve inches

36:40

and start floating and sliding around the room

36:43

usually and a serpentine way that nothing's

36:45

touching the for like into town and luck

36:47

and there's there's a gap and the

36:49

other one is the just go straight up so

36:52

ten fifteen feet up in the air

36:54

just like i don't know like something old

36:56

movies and yeah

36:59

sometimes , around sometimes float up

37:01

and grab on to the if you're staring

37:03

at church in there's beans or whatnot you know grab

37:05

onto those those i've i've

37:08

yet to see levitation so

37:10

yeah i mean you know making things fly around

37:12

the room this pretty interesting

37:15

speaking without moving your lips or you're learning

37:17

sir are taking a breath is is

37:20

pretty interesting yeah

37:22

i mean it's all parlor tricks though august

37:25

designed to scare you and distract

37:28

because the demons gonna lose

37:30

knows it's gonna lose and say it's

37:32

best that instance freak the

37:34

humans out so they don't finish

37:36

the players

37:39

once the demons or cast out of the victim

37:42

can they become possessed again

37:44

we see people the backside all the time

37:47

so one will be cast out of combat

37:49

the next week and the same ones there again

37:51

and it'll be laughing and saying

37:53

you know they gave enemy no they

37:56

did y told him to do and and now i'm back

37:58

in and now you can have started

37:59

with that one

38:01

though it's all about human free will

38:03

these creatures are destroyed because

38:06

their exercise and they're they're

38:08

trying to win and do the job that satan

38:10

appointed them to do so

38:13

if they get a shot to get back in the

38:16

yeah i mean they're trying to do what they've been assigned

38:18

to

38:19

so if the person gives in

38:21

and that's part of the struggle is that it's

38:23

a multi month

38:24

sometimes multiyear process and

38:27

it's not as simple as simple go in and get the

38:29

prayers and then i just go back to my nine

38:31

to five it's a struggle during

38:33

the week

38:35

yeah adam as they do all my guess

38:37

how they deal with skeptics

38:39

i don't even

38:41

think about it

38:42

the

38:43

it really

38:46

couldn't care less

38:48

i'm doing the job that

38:50

i've been appointed to do the

38:53

night of a masters in a dot clinical

38:55

psychology and have worked

38:57

with medical professionals at various

38:59

levels and medical professionals that are on

39:01

the teams of exercises you know professors

39:04

medicine other things once

39:06

you've been exposed to this it's

39:08

not like oh like can convince myself

39:11

convince didn't you know got myself worked up you

39:13

know there's nothing to it once

39:16

, start seeing like concrete things that

39:18

you can't explain away away

39:20

it's a matter of that's

39:23

just your new reality and

39:25

so you don't worry about that has of people don't

39:27

believe you in fact in think it's

39:29

healthy to be skeptical and not

39:32

believe in this stuff if you haven't had haven't brush

39:34

with had a from a christian perspective

39:36

you would say well you'd hope it believe in

39:38

it because it's your faith tells you so

39:40

and yes to some degree people do but

39:43

when they encounter it for real in the flesh

39:45

it takes on a whole new level of mean it you

39:48

know one observation that i made

39:50

, times people that come

39:53

in that turn out to be possessed

39:55

and they start getting liberated and

39:58

as are coming towards the end when

39:59

read they all say the same thing

40:02

i , no idea nobody

40:05

ever told me that this was will

40:07

i'm going to tell the world i've gotta warn

40:09

everybody they also the same thing in

40:12

the all surprised that it's real

40:14

winner the fix them you know that they

40:16

say like i was just going for my life and i thought

40:18

it was you know get , job and have

40:20

kids in the white picket fence and then you're done

40:23

and their whole life gets turned

40:25

upside down by this and

40:27

then they and then say i'm going to go out and tell everybody

40:30

but people are perceptive until they

40:32

had a brush with the spiritual with

40:34

the supernatural or the preternatural in

40:36

this case

40:37

so you can't really worry about skeptics

40:40

like we're not here to convince you

40:42

the things a real that's not my job

40:45

i'm here to answer questions if i've got

40:47

time to to try to help you

40:50

share a tradition

40:52

that has two thousand years of experience

40:54

of dealing with these creatures pretty successfully

40:57

and that most world religions when they

40:59

come across hard court cases

41:02

the end up referring to the catholic church

41:04

the catholic church just has a reputation

41:07

been able to deal with these things so yeah

41:10

basically i understand if you're

41:12

skeptical as think that's reasonable but

41:15

we're more here for the people that are in trouble

41:17

i would say

41:21

i thoroughly enjoyed my time with adam

41:24

and appreciated his matter of sadness

41:26

decisis truth he isn't going to force

41:29

anyone to live one way or another

41:32

which is why it really made me pause when

41:34

pause when that things like those hunting

41:36

and talking spirits the things i

41:38

do for a living leave you vulnerable

41:41

to possession the first

41:43

time in years i found myself

41:46

getting a little worried that maybe

41:48

i am being to flip and about the paranormal

41:51

there after all have far

41:53

more experience dealing with this than i

41:55

do i then i reflected

41:58

on our entire conversation and

42:00

i realize that numerous times

42:03

adam explained the importance of having

42:05

non selfish motives are

42:07

, asking those to manifest on your camera

42:10

see you can go viral to

42:12

you want to sit in during an exorcism

42:14

out of curiosity what

42:17

are your true intentions

42:19

i believe

42:20

as long as i'm goes hunting with

42:22

the intent to helping spirits are people

42:24

suffering and if i'm communicating

42:27

with the spirits of my ancestors to

42:29

show for attitude and respect

42:31

then i'll be funny

42:33

intention is all that matters

42:36

whether you're a catholic christians

42:39

the early

42:42

if people want more information

42:44

i've got a website with a lot of free information

42:46

on the website religious the immunology dot com

42:49

i , a book contains possessions and

42:52

exorcisms that kind of covers everything

42:54

that we've talked about here in a little more

42:56

detail detail then if people

42:58

are interested i've got a book on miracles

43:00

comprehensive guide to guide to

43:02

kind of plug the positive side of the supernatural

43:05

because it's subtle it's not all doom not gloom

43:07

and if you're into these kinds of stories

43:10

in september i've got another book

43:12

coming out and that's a book of kind of case studies

43:15

of possessions they're

43:17

there to teach lessons it's not just a gory

43:19

book of scary stories but they're

43:21

all there for a purpose to illustrate

43:24

things to avoid you know to stay safe

43:35

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