0:19

Alrighty Sam, I

0:21

think so okay, yeah,

0:25

almost yeah, whatever, I'm like, actually so

0:27

chill, I'm ready okay, okay,

0:30

yeah, podcast starts and how okay, podcast

0:32

starts now, it's not a big deal. No,

0:35

the podcast is officially started. But we're not stressing

0:37

out about it. We're not putting too much weight on it. It's literally

0:39

a podcast that just

0:41

exists in a sea of other podcasts. It's totally

0:44

fine. Yeah, it actually will never get

0:46

noticed, you know, not to selpigrandize,

0:49

but I think we can push the limit on how

0:51

long someone can produce a podcast

0:54

um on your own and have it be completely

0:57

unnoticed by Pierce

0:59

for ends, family industry,

1:02

other podcasters, completely under

1:04

the radar. It is very

1:06

Um, it's very that book The Queer Art

1:08

of Failure, which was a huge hit

1:11

a few years ago. I never read it, but I was The

1:13

title is very evocative. Um,

1:15

it's important to fail ironically. Yes,

1:19

here's what I find so inspiring

1:21

about the book industry. So

1:24

many times there are huge

1:26

hits that I've never heard of. I'm

1:29

never gonna pop open, and

1:31

you know, I'll buy let's say two books a year,

1:33

and those aren't even those are probably the hits from

1:35

five years ago, and nevertheless,

1:38

this industry just moves on without

1:40

me. And I think that is so powerful

1:42

and the lesson that we can all learn. I

1:45

don't want to call you out, but I do

1:47

think if you're buying two books a year, it makes

1:49

sense that you're kind of missing out

1:51

on a lot of stuff. WHOA,

1:54

I'm being attacked. I

1:57

carry the book industry on my back with

1:59

those two books a year. Every

2:02

author on earth has me to thank for

2:04

their big home in

2:06

the Hollywood Hills. Well, yeah,

2:09

there's a separate uh you know,

2:11

there's a New York Times bestseller list, and then there's a list

2:13

of the two books Sam buys a year, and

2:15

that's kind of like the most it's

2:17

it's it's even more restigious, in fact, than like

2:20

a Pulitzer or or even a MacArthur Genius

2:22

Grant. Yeah, because what that means is you're

2:24

getting the common man. And and when

2:26

you're winning the heart of a common man with

2:30

taste who has butt

2:32

pennies to his name to spend

2:34

on these two books a year, and you

2:36

win his heart. And when you pay

2:39

in all pennies, and there's always

2:41

a kind of a ceremony that happens at Union

2:43

Hall or the Bell House or little Field

2:45

where you know, an author like let's say

2:48

Margaret Atwood will appear,

2:50

and then you know, like a Patty Harrison or

2:52

Julio Torres will kind of present the award and

2:54

say, and this year, sambot these

2:56

two books. And then you will come out

2:58

and umm, whe you wear a gown,

3:01

but it's funny. Um.

3:03

And then you give the award to Margaret Atwood. She cries.

3:06

Every year it's always Margaret who gets it right.

3:08

And so that's the thing is that you keep buying

3:10

The Handmaid's Tale every single year,

3:13

and you have all the additions. Um,

3:16

it's you know. You you have the one

3:18

with the TV show cover on

3:20

it that says coming soon, you have the original

3:23

one, you have kind of the British

3:25

cover, which is a more kind of art deco vibe.

3:27

You never read it. But because

3:29

I have a bookcase that's all the different versions

3:32

of The Handmaid's Tale. Well, every year I

3:34

I buy the book and I say, you know, me, spending

3:36

this money on this book will inspire

3:39

me to read it because I hate

3:41

to waste money. And

3:43

and every year it just doesn't quite

3:45

get there. And so I buy it again next year, and I

3:47

say, let this inspire me. Will you buy

3:49

it? And then you look the cashier

3:52

straight in the eyes and you say support women,

3:55

and then you and then you go home and put it

3:57

in the in the books like the rest of the books

3:59

in the bookshow of So,

4:04

I have been walking around all day today

4:07

by myself, and when I walk around

4:09

all day, I often gravitate

4:11

towards thinking very conceptually. The conversation

4:13

about the book industry reminded me of this. I have worked

4:15

in three different industries in my life, and they are tech,

4:17

academia, and the entertainment industry. All

4:20

three of them you would think should expand

4:22

the human experience in some way. You

4:24

know, one, Tech you're building technologies,

4:27

Academia you're expanding knowledge.

4:30

Entertainment you're making art. And yet all three

4:32

of them are

4:34

kind of safe havens for people

4:36

with narcissistic personality disorder. And

4:39

so I'm wondering, and it's in the book industry.

4:41

It seems, you know, all it's doing is kind of making

4:44

you go insane by purchasing the same book month

4:46

after month. And so I'm wondering, what is

4:48

it that we can do to restructure the world so

4:50

that, uh, so that people

4:52

have the right incentives to move

4:55

forward. I

4:58

guess I'm confused on the question not too

5:00

and then suld we bring in our guests.

5:03

Well, well, I just don't feel

5:05

like we can move on immediately after saying I'm

5:07

confused. I think we should at least try to sort of understand

5:09

where you're coming from. I want

5:11

you to feel hurt. I want you to feel understand when you

5:13

have a thought to yourself and you think it's so

5:16

brilliant because you're walking kind of alone

5:18

on a street. Yeah, that's

5:20

kind of what happened to me, and I thought maybe it would

5:22

it would lead to something if I okay,

5:24

wait, so your question is that you want books

5:27

to be more narcissistic or you want

5:30

more like okay, say the question again.

5:32

I'm like, do Jeremy not get it?

5:35

Do they actually I

5:37

understand question?

5:41

Can you? Can you guys explain? What

5:44

is it? Do you think that when you're reading a book

5:46

when you're in academia that you think

5:48

it could be when it does become more

5:51

technology? The technology more

5:53

than is it more of? So the

5:55

question than it leaves you with is is

5:58

it more of the technology. Or when you're reading

6:00

a book, is it more that you are walking

6:02

around in your thoughts sort

6:04

of consuming or is

6:06

it more question of how

6:09

do we make this readable

6:12

to the general public? Does

6:14

that make sense? So you're saying, how can we make

6:16

books popular? So it's like, if you know,

6:19

a book is a technology, a book

6:21

is the technology when you read

6:23

it, you say, oh, I'm walking

6:25

on the street exactly.

6:28

George got it.

6:32

It's George's question when you're reading a book.

6:34

Okay, that's when you're reading a

6:36

book. When you're reading a book, that's a form of

6:38

technology. So

6:41

you know, your your eyes,

6:43

the human brain, it all connects in a way.

6:46

Uh where once

6:49

you read the book, you are already taking a walk.

6:52

So the book is the walk. Well

6:55

it's kind of the opposite of that, and the book

6:58

isn't the walk until the technology

7:00

exists to make it the walk. But

7:03

the limits of how these

7:05

industries work, um like,

7:07

preclude that ever happening. I

7:10

actually feel insane. I'm

7:12

really trying to understand what you're saying. So

7:17

it's super clear to me. Yeah, I mean like I don't

7:19

and I don't feel like I should have to explain this,

7:22

but yeah, it should be like just common

7:24

sense. I feel that how many books

7:27

basically, and like this is a really reductive

7:29

version of this very sort of layered

7:32

question that Georgia was trying to ask. But how

7:34

many books when you're walking? Does it take for

7:36

technology to become more

7:40

of a walking sort of technology

7:42

book or is it more of

7:45

a question of what we was

7:47

getting at it?

7:49

When you're walking to

7:52

the technology? Are you at school?

7:55

Yeah? Well you bring into that and that's the thing

7:57

is that's what you bring to it, and you brought

8:00

like the school thing touches on the academia

8:02

element of the of the original question,

8:05

because I think off I think

8:07

Jeremy did such a good job of explaining at the beginning,

8:09

but he lost that one part which

8:11

then you brought in and if I could add,

8:13

you know, the third part of it. You know, the three things I

8:15

mentioned were academia, tech, and entertainment.

8:19

So you're taking a walk the technology of

8:21

the book, but also you the connection between

8:24

the two is school. But then

8:26

all of that is art. Yes,

8:29

Oh

8:32

Sam, what do you think? I think?

8:35

Um?

8:37

You know, I feel left

8:40

out, I feel made fun of,

8:43

I feel disregarded.

8:45

I feel, um,

8:47

I'm sort of the forgotten man, I'm the last

8:49

generation. I'm I'm a wanderer.

8:52

I'm well, you're that's the

8:54

first step. And the wanderer

8:57

is someone in search of knowledge

9:00

through technology on a walk exactly.

9:06

Those are not lost

9:08

they are technology books. And

9:11

with that, I think maybe we should introduce our guests today.

9:14

Um huh

9:17

is that okay? I sense of fear

9:20

for me? Yeah, if I can

9:22

be completely honest, I do have a sense of fear today.

9:25

Yeah. I sensed it as for

9:27

mentioned, and I don't

9:29

know why I haven't quite unpacked

9:31

it. I'm not a therapist, for Christ's sake. I'm just

9:33

one man with therapy is not one of the

9:35

three prongs of my theory. No.

9:38

Um, So you know, I think

9:41

the best thing to do is face your fears and

9:43

bring in our guests officially.

9:46

Um who for some reason I

9:48

am afraid of today? Please. I do

9:50

want to say before you continue,

9:54

I'm sense you know this is this obsession

9:57

with putting labels on things like I feel

9:59

like I'm already in conversation with both our guests.

10:02

Now backtrack and do an intro?

10:04

Seems so um conservative

10:07

politically, and yet I

10:09

feel like it's so natural and and

10:11

even the way that the guests sort of stopped talking,

10:14

almost as if on cue. It felt

10:16

it just feels like this is sort of how the conversation

10:19

wants to work. Yeah, well the queue was you saying

10:21

you were going to introduce them, um, which you did after

10:23

cutting them off. Are we

10:25

going to get introduced or? And

10:29

I do agree it did feel sort of conservative

10:31

politically and almost reaction I

10:34

would have felt very politically reactionary.

10:37

Yeah, that's weird, you know. I just

10:39

feel like in a healthy sort of podcast, there

10:42

can be some liberal um

10:45

structures and there can be some conservative

10:49

structures and really healthy

10:51

and then you find common grounds reaching

10:56

across the aisle. Yes, that's

10:58

good, that's good. So healthy,

11:01

you know, healthy pretty prescriptive

11:03

word. I mean, you know, it's very like, what's

11:05

you know, being normal? I'm

11:08

not telling the liberal

11:11

textbook? Yeah,

11:14

did you hear that? What they

11:16

did? It again? They naturally could feel

11:18

that we were going to introduce them, and they got

11:21

so I feel like I should give it some space. But

11:24

right before it's going to

11:26

be such a big moment when I

11:29

just think, I think, okay, George, I just think that's no.

11:31

I think sometimes you ignore sort of the natural

11:34

flows that the podcast makes

11:37

and on all I'm trying to do is give respect

11:40

to to that structure

11:43

and the you know,

11:45

it's it's sort of a chicken or the eye. We don't know which came first,

11:47

the podcast structure or uh,

11:49

sort of like disrupting

11:52

the podcast structure. Yes, right,

11:54

so yeah, I just think

11:57

that both the natural and unnatural can exist

11:59

together. Finally we're getting

12:01

a progressive place. This

12:05

is this is liberal owns liberal

12:08

owns conservative reactionary.

12:11

Anyway, let's introduce our guests. So today

12:14

we have two hilarious

12:16

comedians to awesome sauce guys

12:19

that are rocking the comedy landscape.

12:22

These guys, god, I mean

12:25

they're gonna be fucking huge. I

12:27

mean fuck. When I saw these

12:29

guys, I said, damn, that's

12:32

freaking comedy and it's actually punk

12:34

rock and it is so so

12:37

Now I heard them

12:39

on Comedy Bang Bang playing the Squar

12:41

Brothers in a sketch

12:43

about healthcare,

12:46

and it actually changed my mind on the issue,

12:49

and now I don't no

12:51

longer support a single pair these

12:54

guys. When they did fall in, you know,

12:56

say what you will about sort of you

13:00

know, the way they

13:02

performed obviously, there there's

13:04

room for critique. Yeah, the way they performed was

13:07

not good, but

13:09

it's sort of it changed the game and

13:11

changed to argue it didn't change the game. It

13:14

changed the game, and you know, and

13:16

not in a bad way. Yeah, the game

13:18

is worse. It's not fun to play anymore. The

13:20

game is worse anyway.

13:23

It's Welcome to the podcast, Jeremy

13:25

Levick, and thank you so

13:27

much. Hey, oh my gosh,

13:31

and thank you for not mentioning our

13:33

Kimmel appearance where we dressed

13:36

off as Jimmy Kimmel and talked about and cried about

13:38

healthcare. Yeah,

13:40

we cried about his son. Yeah,

13:43

we were too, and we

13:45

both cried about our son. Yeah, and you did

13:47

that like literally the day after he

13:50

cried about his son, So it felt a little

13:52

too soon, you don't mind me. Yeah,

13:58

yeah, we wrote that before he did his

14:00

speech. Yeah,

14:02

we just thought it would be funny if he was crying about his

14:04

son. Parallel parallel

14:06

thought or did he steal

14:08

it from you? Probably?

14:11

I think he stole it from us. Yeah,

14:13

but he's a great guy. No,

14:16

no, no, no he's

14:19

not. He's always been very nice to me. Yeah,

14:21

he's super nice to me about

14:25

says, yes,

14:32

that's really good. I actually think we should,

14:34

um, somebody should be keeping score

14:36

of who's getting owned and how many times

14:40

began trying to place a regimented

14:42

framework on something so natural and

14:44

free? My

14:47

god, is it that wrong to

14:50

try to, I don't know, create a data

14:52

set or something. Yeah,

14:54

well, who are you selling to? This

14:58

is the part where we get by it again. We're

15:01

gonna get introduced again. I

15:03

feel an introduction coming, so I'm

15:05

gonna

15:08

um. So, if you guys were running the podcast,

15:10

what would you do differently? Yeah,

15:13

give us your noteste

15:16

What would you do? I guess it

15:18

was scared. It would be like the opposite

15:21

of what you guys are doing, where you both you

15:24

both are sort of insisting on your point

15:26

of view, and then Rigotte and my podcast

15:29

would be like do you want

15:31

to go? And then it'd be quiet, and

15:33

then the other person would say you

15:35

can go first? Maybe

15:38

just be like guess would be talking the whole time.

15:41

Yeah, and you guys should try

15:43

being timid. Okay,

15:46

we could restart and yeah,

15:50

let's just scrap what we've done and yeah,

15:54

started, we'll start it

15:56

your way? Yes, so um?

15:58

Oh sorry, no,

16:01

no you go Oh wait no, Sam, Sorry

16:03

those okay, sorry, did you have anything you want to talk about

16:05

today? I really like

16:07

I just prefer to hear what you have to say. Well,

16:09

I mean I have I have something, but it's not very

16:11

good. If you want to start, No, I bet

16:13

what you have is like really good, and I really

16:16

I've kind of feel insecure about what I know. I

16:18

just think that you had such an amazing, powerful

16:20

point of view and like I

16:22

like you worked in like tech and like and

16:26

like you were like, this

16:30

is amazing electric. I

16:34

gotta be honest, guys, that podcast kind of

16:37

sucked. Uh, you

16:39

guys were getting along better, though. I

16:41

love hearing how good you guys are getting along.

16:44

Yeah, it definitely was not as

16:46

good, but it was pathetic

16:49

in a way that I really like. You guys were just

16:52

bouncing off each other, just playing

16:55

off each other's energies each

16:57

other. One of the most polite podcasts I've ever heard.

17:00

It did bring up an interesting point,

17:02

which is it's okay when George says

17:04

he works in tech, but when I say George works

17:06

in tech, it's a slur. Well,

17:09

I just thought I felt before

17:11

when I was telling my story about how I realized everything

17:14

is connected and reached the

17:16

singularity mentally, I

17:19

said, you know in my past that

17:21

I worked in tech, and I to me, that's

17:23

part of my backstory that everyone

17:26

is obsessed with. All my fans

17:28

constantly talked about how I used to work in tech and

17:31

you I could immediately see you roll your eyes, which

17:33

I did not expect that that's actually what threw me off

17:35

and made me so inarticulate when describing

17:38

the realizations I came to on my walk. Well,

17:40

I just thought it was funny. And again,

17:43

guests will introduce you in a bit um.

17:47

But I did think it was funny to say

17:49

tech, academia and entertainment.

17:51

I felt like that was such a toxic um

17:53

string of things to say that you to

17:56

to describe your past, and I thought it was so funny

17:59

and then made me see the we

18:02

are so different and yet we host

18:04

a podcast, right, Well, not

18:06

everyone can have a history where they've worked in

18:08

tech, academia and entertainment. Well,

18:11

because Sam comes from more of a background

18:13

of uh like Amish.

18:17

Yeah you're using an Amish microphone? Yeah

18:20

yeah, yeah,

18:23

that's that's trust. That sounds like a name of a sex

18:25

act. Doesn't

18:29

that sound like a sex act. Jeremy,

18:32

come on, sorry,

18:34

I mean, now you're being reactionary. I'm

18:36

sorry, I'm sorry, Jeremy.

18:39

Come on, we can push him left

18:43

and we Is it even worth it to try to push

18:45

Jeremy left? I think

18:47

it's a waste of energy. This is the debate.

18:51

Well, among the two of you, I know, you know Jeremy

18:53

is the right wing one, Like, how do you guys navigate?

18:55

Look, I've got

18:57

our donors interests in mind, and

19:00

like those are just the people like

19:03

when they come around and they're

19:06

like, do you want to have lunch? Like I'm going to make room

19:08

for them in my schedule. That's just how it is. And

19:12

I try, like I

19:14

have principles, but I mean, yeah,

19:17

the principles been to the donor's interests. So I

19:19

don't know how you don't get that. Why

19:21

don't you like you should be able?

19:24

So both of you actually the

19:28

donor's interests. Yeah,

19:31

we're

19:33

on the right and the left of the right

19:36

the doors and yeah, right,

19:38

okay, so one of you is kind of a never Trumper

19:40

Lincoln Project type conservative.

19:43

The other one is, you know, all in on Marjorie

19:45

Taylor Green totally. Well,

19:47

we both voted for Trump. Right, you

19:50

have to find common grounds somewhere, of

19:52

course, Like today, Oh

19:55

yeah, you voted for Trump today, we

19:58

voted late vote we

20:00

got to the late damn.

20:03

Well, how are the largest pretty

20:07

wrong? Actually long?

20:10

Yeah, lots of people are voting late.

20:13

Yeah, well there's a late there's like

20:15

early voting, and then there's regular day

20:17

voting, and then there's late and

20:20

late voting has actually been extended

20:22

indefinitely. Yeah,

20:24

it's rolling. Yeah, it's on a rolling

20:26

basis. Yeah. I'm actually voted for

20:29

the two

20:32

election recently. Do

20:35

Caucus. Wowe.

20:39

I hope he gets it too, But

20:42

I mean, you know, you never know with the media

20:45

climate and

20:48

back then the media climate we're back fure

20:53

um. What's nice about late voting is that you can

20:55

actually choose which media climate you're voting

20:57

in. Did you like

20:59

the way that he was portrayed in Donnie Darko

21:02

Dukakis Yeah?

21:06

Um,

21:08

oh you didn't know that he's

21:11

a part of Donnie. I

21:14

was a producer on that film, so I can't

21:16

I can't be objective. Oh. I

21:18

had a lot of issues with how they handled it creatively,

21:21

but I ultimately I stand

21:23

behind it, and I think, like you

21:25

know, the film speaks for itself. Okay,

21:30

we were producers, we're

21:32

producers and other stuff. Yeah

21:35

a questions, Well everyone hears

21:38

has produced, um,

21:41

George we

21:45

Well, I just wanted to share this anecdote,

21:49

okay, talking about talking

21:52

about yeah, yeah books.

21:54

Well, I just wanted to like bring it up before it

21:58

gets we're past it. Uh.

22:01

We both were at a birthday

22:03

party like maybe a year and a half a

22:05

right, and Sally

22:08

Rooney was there. Oh yeah

22:11

yeah. So here's the thing with that birthday party.

22:13

First of all, it was our last for me at least

22:16

I think probably for you too, like the last big party

22:18

before COVID. Yes, like

22:20

I very distinctly remembered as the last

22:22

big gathering and truly like

22:25

maybe the next day things started shutting

22:27

down or maybe in the next couple of days. There

22:29

were like there

22:32

were like so many IT girls

22:35

at that party. Yeah, it

22:37

was a little bit stressful. So

22:39

Sally Rouney was a huge one. Tavy

22:41

Gevinson was another huge one. Who's

22:44

that Tavy Gevinson like founded

22:46

Rookie magazine and was

22:48

also in like you

22:51

know, um did

22:57

the she did the big Britney Spears

22:59

piece recently, right, Yeah, yeah,

23:01

she read about Brittany recently. Everybody

23:04

knows this it girl except for me, and

23:08

then she's right. And then

23:10

the third one, which I've talked about on this podcast was Harry

23:12

Nff. So it was just eight girls

23:15

wall to wall, I mean

23:17

only in New York? Am I right? Chel

23:21

Senate was there, but I don't know if

23:23

well, yes, and she's now and she's

23:26

definitely now. I would say then

23:28

she was an IT girl, IT

23:32

Girl rising, and

23:34

actually IT Girl Rising is her new

23:37

memoir. That's beautiful, right, it's

23:41

really good. Do you think COVID

23:43

happened because so many IT girls were at

23:45

the same phase that the universe kind of combusted?

23:49

Yeah, I

23:52

think people are saying People are

23:54

saying that it was like there's there was like a

23:56

there was an eight girl party in China. That's

23:59

what a lot of people people think it was

24:01

curated like they're

24:03

like a lot of funked up like right wingers. There

24:05

was like a lab in China that they like

24:09

a bunch of it girls the United

24:11

States. Oh as

24:14

like political warfare, so it grows,

24:17

right, Well, a lot of people talk about how the concept of

24:19

an IT girl is it's it is human

24:21

warfare. It is

24:26

Yeah, I was telling everyone.

24:28

I was like, I saw all the girls

24:30

in one room. I said, this is dangerous. We got to get

24:32

them in separate rooms in case something happens,

24:35

like there shouldn't be two of them on the same plane.

24:37

Ever, it's true, it's I

24:40

mean, it's the same thing happened in the nineties

24:42

when Parker Posey and Chloe seven

24:45

became friends. That's when the

24:47

Gulf War ended. I

24:50

wanted to keep going.

24:52

I was

24:54

always a fan of the Gulf War. It

24:59

was a class right,

25:02

So you get to have a war on

25:05

the Gulf. How fun? I know,

25:07

it's you know, it's a very seaside. I

25:10

don't know. To me, it's you know, it's very um,

25:12

it's very delay. It's if you're gonna

25:14

have a war, have it be sea side

25:17

at least. I mean, who could forget?

25:22

No one talks about it.

25:24

It was really fun when they stormed

25:27

the beaches, like for the first five seconds

25:29

they were like smiling and like a few

25:32

of them splashed each other, like yeah,

25:34

they were like before they went into

25:36

the water, they were like, is anyone else

25:38

going to go into the water? It should

25:40

I you guys want to go swim? Well? Yeah, started

25:44

out as just them wanting to go swimming. Yeah,

25:48

then they were so close to shore that they were like, well,

25:50

if we just hop out and swim to shore, because that

25:52

could be like we've on this fucking boat whatever,

25:54

like, and

25:57

they like they could have just taken

25:59

a plane that like the airport, and then started

26:01

from there and did the war from there. But

26:04

they're like, let's make a day of it,

26:06

like let's splash around in the pool

26:08

or the ocean or whatever it is. Yeah,

26:11

yeah, no, they What a lot of people don't know is D Day

26:13

it was actually in a pool, but can

26:15

they shoot it? They make it look like it was the

26:17

ocean, but they were all kind of like inflatable

26:20

unicorns influence. Ye know,

26:24

it's like it has to do with how they shot it. You're right,

26:26

it's like the perspective.

26:29

Yeah, well, it was very The thing with D Day is

26:31

like it's very d C universe,

26:33

Like they went dark with it, you know, they went

26:35

like this is like black and white. It's

26:38

Zack Snyder. It

26:40

was very Zack Snyder cut, whereas

26:42

normally D Day, if you had done it right, would have

26:44

been kind of that one other Marvel movie

26:46

where there's a raccoon and Zoe's heldana. Yeah,

26:50

like seventies music or cool

26:52

music in the background, like rock and roll

26:55

totally, and like your friends

26:57

are burying each other but in a nice way

26:59

and exactly and our equips like all of them.

27:01

It's like one of the soldiers looks out and it's

27:04

like, okay, guess we're doing this,

27:06

like and then the other one is like, oh

27:09

so talking raccoon now, Okay, that's

27:12

okay, So this is my day now. So

27:15

and actually a lot of people have this

27:17

has been written about, but you know, the last word

27:20

of the last person on D Day

27:22

was so, I guess that's the thing. That's

27:25

just people people

27:27

think history is not fun, and it's like so fun

27:30

to learn about this stuff, Like it

27:32

just is so funny. It's funny. I

27:35

didn't know you were like an academia

27:37

ahead, Like I really thought that was more of a George

27:40

thing. But you know that,

27:42

well, mostly history specifically

27:45

just um and you know, I

27:47

don't take pride in it, but um,

27:50

it's just no

27:53

one should take pride in having knowledge, no,

27:56

no, non of which

27:58

should we do our first segments here? Oh my god,

28:00

I forgot we were doing a podcast. Yeah,

28:04

well, and you know, as the debate rages

28:06

on, we do have to point out that that's very conservative

28:09

of you to sort of, um stick

28:11

to that structure. Are you guys gonna

28:13

introduce us? Should

28:18

just lay low? Sorry? Sorry,

28:21

sorry, So I think we're gonna

28:23

do our first segment um, just to sort of move

28:25

on from with us. Today

28:27

we have two such funny comedians.

28:31

These guys are sort of changing the game.

28:33

When they broke onto the scene, I

28:36

said, wow, this is comedy.

28:38

When they splashed onto the scene, I

28:41

said, well, I guess I'll retire

28:43

now. You know, when I first

28:45

heard them do um

28:48

sort of their folk duo

28:51

stick, I said, Okay,

28:54

I guess I'm sucking out of a job. Please

28:56

welcome Garfunklin notates Hi,

28:59

I'm Hi,

29:02

I'm I'm Oats. I

29:05

don't

29:05

wait, I

29:11

don't know. I don't know the other one. Yeah,

29:14

sorry, Jermaine, that's the other

29:16

one. Yeah, Jermy, Jermaine Clement.

29:19

Okay, let's do our first segment. George,

29:21

will you explain it? Yeah? So, in this first segment,

29:24

this is a podcast in theory about

29:26

straight culture, but in practice, about

29:29

about each of us uncovering

29:32

new layers of our psyches day

29:34

by day, um, but also

29:37

putting more layers on top of those layers.

29:40

So the first segment is called straight Shooters,

29:42

And in this segment we give you a series of rapid

29:44

fire questions where

29:46

we give you two straight things and you just have to gravitate

29:49

towards one. There's not

29:51

that much logic to it, and you're not allowed to ask any follow

29:53

up questions. You just have to. It's

29:56

you just have to really pick one. That's

29:59

kind of one things. What I'm about

30:01

to do is not ask a question. I'm going to

30:03

make a statement right now. Okay,

30:06

I'm curious whether Riginte

30:09

and I should have separate answers

30:11

or the same answer. I have the same curious

30:13

about that as well. Yeah, yeah, no, I

30:16

I'm also curious about it. So should we get started. Let's

30:18

do it. Awesome

30:20

statement, it's

30:23

a good statement. We'll start out easy

30:25

paper or plastic paper?

30:30

Plastic? Oh you guys are

30:32

supposed to answer together. That

30:36

was obvious paper No,

30:38

no paper, Okay,

30:41

Um. The next one selfie stick

30:43

or self suck. I

30:48

go ahead, suck

30:51

suck suck. The two genders

30:53

for the three Musketeers, three

30:58

Musketeers, The

31:00

three Musketeers. Really

31:03

what you wanted to answer? Or yeah,

31:07

no, yeah, or no yeah, Jeremy,

31:09

is that what I wanted to answer, That's what I wanted

31:12

to answer? Interesting,

31:14

dynamic, awesome? Um, okay,

31:17

do they cover or a boo bley cover

31:20

blay, don't

31:24

say, I just

31:30

down facing dog or

31:33

south facing bay windows, south

31:37

facing bay windows, south facing

31:40

bay windows. Do you feel like you

31:42

can't answer? First, south

31:47

facing bay windows? Okay?

31:51

Next, film cinema

31:53

flicks or talkies. So

31:59

they're okay, four possible,

32:01

some four possibilities here? Is that a statement?

32:04

There are sorry, there are four possibilities.

32:07

There are four pility period period

32:10

and please listen to them again. Um,

32:13

film cinema flicks or

32:16

talkies. Oh

32:18

I was imagining talkies. The

32:21

food. Um,

32:23

that's tacos all right? Sorry,

32:26

I never know how to pronounce that, so

32:31

does any ahead? I'm

32:37

going with taos. When we have to

32:39

answer a question like that's when and

32:41

I are at our worst is

32:43

when we're answering good questions. So

32:45

I'm just explaining why this is going poorly

32:48

for us. Yeah, well

32:50

that's helpful. Yeah, I thought

32:52

I think I think it's going pretty good. Yeah,

32:56

I think you know what

32:58

your criteria. I think

33:01

that's a good way to describe this whole episode

33:03

so far. Yeah, yeah, thank

33:06

you, thank you. I

33:08

have a question g Noam Chomsky

33:11

or Nicky Blonsky.

33:14

I don't know who she's the

33:17

start movie Hairspray, the movie, the

33:19

movie version of hairs the movie version of the

33:21

musical version of the movie Hairspray

33:24

with John Travolta. Yeah, John

33:26

Travolta plays her mom. But don't

33:28

read too much into it. It's

33:30

not gay, guys, Yeah, he's not gay.

33:32

Stop being weird about

33:35

something like that. I just want to say,

33:38

like I didn't Jeer,

33:42

like I know a lot of you know, you're kind of a

33:45

shock jock, uh provocateur.

33:48

But like Timmy, I draw the line at

33:50

people saying John Travolta is gay.

33:52

It's just not right reputation like

33:54

that. I just think that when he

33:57

said it just is. When he said

33:59

Adele does he, I was like, he's

34:02

being really gay. You said he's being really

34:04

gay. I remember that we were at watch

34:06

that together and you turned to me and you said

34:09

that's so gay, and then Hary Knaff

34:11

turned to you and said it is because

34:15

you guys were surrounded by it. Girls yeah, well

34:18

right, so it's there have to be. Usually when

34:20

Jeremy and I are together, there at least three to four eight

34:22

girls around. Yeah, we got our arms

34:24

around. Yeah, but each of us actually

34:27

have our arms around two eight girls. And

34:30

then Jeremy goes, that's so gay, and then the two

34:32

eight girls together say totally. Yeah.

34:36

They just say they like yes,

34:38

me and stuff. Yeah, Daddy,

34:41

dynamic, Yeah, they call you daddy.

34:44

Yeah. It's like it's

34:47

like, I'm in the first to admit it's very problematic.

34:49

I've seen you with it. Girls on your lap

34:52

and they say, Daddy, who's gay and who's

34:54

not? You

34:56

haven't seen that he's lying. It's

34:59

this really toxic thing where the girls ask

35:01

you, Daddy, tell me who's gay?

35:04

And then you say, oh, John Travolta,

35:07

I mean look at the Yeah.

35:11

Well, and it's tough because you don't even want it anymore,

35:13

but you just like created this persona that now

35:15

people expect it from you. I

35:18

think, I know, I kind of like this weird

35:20

alt Hugh Hefner, where like the

35:23

eight girls are always asking me why ironically funny

35:25

questions and you know, kind

35:28

of jumping up and down on a

35:30

bed and being like Daddy Daddy, who's

35:33

gay? Yeah?

35:36

No, I have like an ironic Playboy house,

35:38

like a whole mansion with all

35:40

the all these girls are like, yeah,

35:46

all comedy it girls, each

35:48

one of them, you know, one of the you know, they

35:50

kind of are wearing ironic outfits. And

35:53

they had their wearing like a little T shirt that

35:55

says like fart on it, um,

35:58

and instead of Playboy ears, they have

36:01

just like really large moose antlers.

36:05

Yeah they say the our

36:07

word. Yeah, they say the our word. And then you have

36:09

these you have these

36:12

parties like Playboy Mansion, don't Yeah,

36:15

you have You're pretty principled about that kind of but you

36:18

kick them out if they don't say it. Yes,

36:22

And then you have these ironic Playboy

36:24

Mansion parties that are all

36:26

kind of it's like Howard Stern and um,

36:29

you know, Jimmy Kimmel and

36:33

who yes there,

36:35

Oh, I thought you said. Anna the Armus

36:42

girl. She's one of the eight girls with the moose. Here's

36:44

that that you surround yourself with. Yeah.

36:47

She broke up with Ben Affleck to join the Antler

36:50

squad. Um, do you guys want to do something

36:52

crazy? I have like one

36:54

more of these stupid questions. Oh

36:57

sorry, it's insane

36:59

to be like, like I could have easily just been

37:01

like we're just gonna move on because you're

37:03

like doing the natural thing. This is conservative.

37:06

I love

37:12

to hear it. Well, I just think now it's gonna

37:14

be so weird when I say it, and like it

37:16

like makes sense when you're sort of come

37:19

on, Sam, but like we were doing them

37:21

all in like a line, and like it makes sense

37:23

sort of like now you're gonna ask a question,

37:25

it's going to be like, yeah, it's

37:27

gonna be weird and I'm gonna have to reorient and be like,

37:29

oh yeah, that's like like

37:32

yeah, it was going so naturally and we

37:34

were flowing so hard. You were answering

37:36

those questions, and you kind of sucked us up right

37:38

there. I will say, yeah.

37:41

I just promise you won't make fun

37:43

of me after I say it. Okay,

37:48

okay, your

37:50

final question is Michael

37:54

Barbaro or a bicycle

37:56

on the Tribe Borough Bridge.

38:01

That's the question. I think

38:03

that's the question. No,

38:07

I mean

38:10

I'm mad. I just

38:13

guess say. You know, Sam and I have had our difference

38:16

in this episode, but I

38:18

really don't like it when you guys make fun of him. He's actually

38:20

like a really good friend of mine, and

38:22

we've been doing this podcast together now for

38:25

a really long time. I mean I kind

38:27

of thought that you'd both come on and be respectful.

38:30

Jeremy. I know your reputation. I know that you're surrounded

38:32

by all the eight girls ironic

38:36

course to say slurs um,

38:39

but I just thought maybe you know this,

38:41

would you know we could have a respectful and fun

38:43

time. No. Yeah,

38:46

I we didn't know that you guys were good friends,

38:49

so that actually changes a lot.

38:51

I'm sorry, I would never want to. Yeah,

38:54

I can vouch for Sam a good guy.

38:57

Wow, Sam, how did that make you feel? You

38:59

hear that? It makes me feel so good.

39:01

George. You know, I

39:04

know that whenever we have guests on here, you're always

39:06

like the cool, really chill like one,

39:08

and I'm sort of like this little brother, like tagging

39:10

along. And for you to like stick

39:13

up for me in this way, like publicly,

39:15

it's like huge. It's so cool.

39:19

And I hope that other cool,

39:22

popular guys out there know that they

39:24

can stick up for the little guy. Yeah. Well,

39:26

empathy is something I learned when working in tech,

39:30

and um, you know, it's something that never

39:33

leaves you. Umtally

39:36

so um

39:39

we sorry, Yeah,

39:41

I try cycle on the tricycle

39:43

on the Michael Barbaro Bridge

39:46

Bridge. Yeah. No, totally

39:49

good question at all, you

39:55

guys. Um, you guys brought some if

39:58

not a topic then than something

40:01

that you wanted to share with us. Oh

40:03

yeah, is a theory that

40:05

flaccid penis is gay and this

40:09

is Jeremy's theory. That's Jeremy's theory.

40:13

Wait, I love this. Wait

40:16

is this a real theory? Yeah?

40:18

Well, I'm

40:21

sorry, this is the

40:23

opposite. That's

40:25

what he thinks. I think flaccid

40:27

penis is straight and straight.

40:31

Okay, just to be clear,

40:33

you both agree about it, or one of you

40:35

thinks this

40:39

is a big way, just basically

40:42

just in case one of them is like a problem

40:44

that's super messed up. Yeah, like

40:47

just going to stake out one side so

40:50

that one of us is like not okay.

40:52

Well, I think maybe we should just start, you

40:54

know, with opening statements, so Sam,

40:57

you can choose which one of them goes first. You

40:59

know, this decision has

41:01

been weighing on me all afternoon. I've

41:03

been thinking, you know, who among

41:06

them can share their case first. You

41:08

know that the timing. Uh

41:11

it the the order can

41:13

affect the audiences understanding

41:16

of the argument. And so if

41:18

I pick wrong, um, it

41:21

could mean that hard penises

41:24

are gay and soft penises

41:26

are straight, or vice versa. I'm

41:29

gonna go with all

41:32

right, all right, well, so

41:35

we all know. We all know that I

41:38

mean hard penises otherwise

41:41

known as georgia or in academia,

41:44

it's otherwise known as a boner um.

41:48

And that is that's

41:51

gay. I'm on the side of that is you know that

41:53

I'm on the side of that straight, because

41:56

a boner is straight, very

42:00

literal, a literal interpretation.

42:02

That's I think it's pretty.

42:05

It's a pretty it's it's

42:07

called a boner or erect

42:10

penis. Those are the two. No

42:14

using Google right now, it's

42:16

cheating, it's called well,

42:19

it's interesting. You

42:21

know, um, you're this whole so

42:24

far, this argument is very you know, Webster Dictionary

42:26

defines erect peniss so

42:29

a penis. This is actually a part

42:31

of my kind of argument, and it's

42:33

that do you guys know the penis is

42:35

the male genital organ of

42:38

higher vertebrates, carrying the duct

42:40

for the transfer of sperm during copulation.

42:44

Yeah, you're right that does sound more straight. Yeah,

42:47

well, you're bringing reproduction into it.

42:50

In humans and most other mammals that consists

42:53

largely of erectile tissue and serves also for

42:55

the elimination of urine. I don't

42:57

know if that helps the elimination of urine

43:00

totally. Wow, it's like you're

43:02

in town, you

43:05

could say, Jeremy, I'd

43:07

love to hear sort of your counter argument. I

43:10

think so that was the end of vision. That's

43:15

how I'd like to like to close out with

43:17

that. Okay, okay, yeah,

43:19

I think Jatte's argument has has merit.

43:22

However, I think

43:24

that if it's like flaccid, it's

43:27

like that's

43:29

kind of just like the like straight people kind

43:31

of have that vibe a lot of the time because

43:34

they're kind of like they're like chilling.

43:38

Yeah, yeah, so you think

43:40

straight people are chill and gay people are

43:42

like is that what you're is

43:44

that what you're trying to say, not what I'm

43:46

trying to say sounds I don't

43:48

know about that, but I was on the other side

43:50

of that. I wanted to kind of read you think straight

43:52

people are chill and gay people are not,

43:59

well, not hard, but like like

44:04

excite, excite or not necessarily

44:08

any kind of people

44:10

are excited, people

44:12

are laid back on

44:16

the other side of that, On the other side, I actually,

44:18

I actually think it's like problematic

44:20

to even think about it in those terms. And

44:23

I think that, uh,

44:26

straight people and gay people can be

44:28

all kinds of ways at any time they want. But

44:33

you're arguing that flaccid

44:36

is straight and direct

44:38

is gay for the sake of this argument. Yeah,

44:41

that is what I'm saying. So basically

44:43

you're this is a bit of a cop out to me, and

44:45

that you're saying, you know, anyone can be whoever they want.

44:48

But I am going through the motions

44:50

of arguing something for the sake of this

44:53

debate. Yeah, I

44:55

guess. Yeah. Basically I tried to like

44:58

put in a whole, and then

45:02

I put myself in a hole, and now I

45:04

don't want to be making this argument. Huh,

45:08

But here I am. So you don't

45:10

you thought you thought you thought,

45:13

okay, we're going to respond well

45:15

to you saying erect is

45:17

gay, because of course erect inherently

45:21

is um the

45:24

people have both more positive associations,

45:27

and so you were trying to pander to us by saying

45:29

erect is gay. I

45:32

guess I was just hoping that whatever one

45:35

whoever went first, would

45:38

be just like wrong. I thought it was an unwinnable

45:41

argument. Yeah, but then I

45:43

kind of hoping I gotta

45:46

knocked it out of the park with my dictionary, and

45:49

that I was not expecting you shouldn't

45:51

you should bring a dictionary next time. Yeah,

45:54

Jeremy, I am confused. I guess um

45:58

in the sense that you

46:00

know, yes, you were throwing your friend under

46:02

the bus, but you also you

46:05

knew you were gonna have to speak on this topic. Yeah,

46:09

sorry, go ahead. I'm just kind of confused as

46:11

to why this um would

46:13

only affect and not also

46:15

you, right. I guess it's lack

46:18

of foresight and just I

46:20

was just kicking the can down the road, and I was

46:22

like, maybe I'll think of something

46:24

smart, Like it's really like the confidence.

46:27

I would say, I would go so far as to talk call it

46:29

um toxic male confidence.

46:32

That you thought that you

46:34

really thought that without doing any research,

46:37

coming completely unprepared, that

46:39

that regan would be so bad arguing

46:42

that erect is straight and flash

46:44

it is gay, that all you would have to do is

46:47

kind of be like, well, Mike drop.

46:50

Yeah. Yeah, then I come

46:52

in here, and I own you with my dictionary again.

46:54

I want to bring up the dictionary. Just yeah,

46:57

the dictionary bit crushed and both

46:59

avoid the topic and you

47:01

know, added something a new element. Yeah,

47:05

I just want to say, you know, it really

47:08

means a lot that you came in prepared, have

47:11

done your research, and to be honest.

47:14

At first, I was skeptical of the

47:16

argument that direct is straight and flaccid

47:19

is gay. I think I like to think of myself

47:21

as more of an erect than a flaccid person. But

47:24

um, I'm convinced. Interesting,

47:28

I think I'm

47:31

now I'm wondering, are

47:33

you, George the erect and I'm the flaccid?

47:37

Well we're both gay, right,

47:41

So that throws a wrench and

47:44

the idea that one of us is one and one is the

47:46

other when the argument of this debate

47:49

is whether one is gay and one is straight both

47:54

erect, huh. I guess I'm just trying

47:57

to change the game a

47:59

little and make it. Maybe

48:01

let's give them a second chance and have them argue

48:03

which one of us is erect and which one of us is

48:05

flaccid. Okay, I want to give Jeremy

48:08

a second chance, and in fact, Jeremy, you

48:10

can go first now and you can choose which perfect

48:12

which side you're arguing for. So you have

48:14

to choose which one is salmon, which one is me? Uh

48:17

huh cool cool, And

48:20

I would have to say, um,

48:23

let's see. Oh.

48:26

Now he's trying to use the dictionary. Oh,

48:32

oh my god. He's searching, literally

48:34

googling flacid

48:38

Sam Taggert hoping something comes up.

48:43

Uh. Oh no, he's

48:45

not finding anything. Oh my god, he can't

48:47

even use Google. Oh my god,

48:52

email real quick, no, oh

48:55

god. For the listeners at home, you should

48:57

know that both Jeremy and Rajotte's screens

49:00

are lighting up on their glasses. They

49:02

are frantically searching the

49:04

screen. I don't know what they

49:07

actually they look like they're East

49:10

Sports like, and

49:15

I actually don't know what the end goal. I

49:18

think maybe they're missing the point um,

49:20

which sort of is to talk on the podcast, and

49:22

they're sort of getting lost in this searching on the screen

49:25

type of No. Okay, well, so

49:27

here's what happened. So

49:30

I just got an email from Jeremy. No.

49:33

I got an email from Jeremy, and it says, hey, are you

49:35

more flaccid or erect? No?

49:38

Yeah, Yeah, I got an email from Jeremy that

49:40

says, hey, are you more flaccid or erect?

49:43

Oh no, I just like it's confusing

49:45

to me because we are judging this debate,

49:49

so like

49:51

we're not going to give you the answer. Yeah,

49:56

that's good. That No, totally, that makes sense.

49:58

Sam, don't check your email, by the way. I

50:02

oh no, did you get one to Sam?

50:05

I got one too. I mean his polite

50:08

start. Yeah, well, should we both

50:10

reply and then see what what

50:13

what comes out of that? Um?

50:16

Sure, okay, Oh

50:19

wait, I just got an email from that.

50:24

Yeah, I got that's like a bibliography.

50:26

So Jatte to sent us a diagram, a medical

50:29

diagram of a flacc of penis and a direct

50:31

penis. It looks like Rigatte at least

50:33

was honest enough to send it to all three of

50:36

the rest of us. Yeah, it was, so,

50:39

I do want to say, so far in this part

50:41

of the debate, I still think Rigatte is winning

50:43

because he wasn't trying to secretive. Yeah,

50:46

I mean it was more like hard facts. It's

50:49

like hard facts. He's coming at it from a science

50:51

perspective, and he believed science.

50:54

No, No, I'm going to reply

50:56

to Jeremy, Right, I replied, already this

51:07

are you're refreshing the page over to me? All

51:09

right, So I think that George

51:12

is more flaccid, and since

51:14

Sam is more the erect, more

51:16

of the boner. Yeah, interesting,

51:20

more of the boner. Kind of

51:23

want to that is there any

51:25

reasoning behind it or well, I

51:28

have some evidence that maybe it's not like

51:30

I can't use but I have

51:33

a I have a source that did tell

51:35

me that George flat

51:39

is flaccid, and and did do you have

51:41

a source that told you Sam is erect? No?

51:44

So you're just sort of making up information

51:48

because you're not even getting sources for all of

51:50

it. I

51:53

think I read it on Vulture. Well,

51:57

so, I mean, god, I try to get that about

52:00

the internet. I did give an interview with Vulture where

52:02

I said I was flaccid. Yeah.

52:05

Um, you know, I

52:08

was trying to do this kind of very high minded bit,

52:10

but it actually came across. You know, when you read

52:12

it, you don't get my tone. I'm a

52:15

very matter of factly saying I am flaccid.

52:18

Yeah. Yeah, I'm just trying

52:20

to imagine like how the tone could

52:24

well. I was doing a little dance that I was like I'm

52:27

flaccid. But

52:30

it didn't. It was just it does help.

52:32

Yeah. Yeah, because when you

52:34

said that in the interview, like I

52:37

was sort of imagining the Ellen cover

52:40

and it's like, Yep, I'm flaccid.

52:42

I thought it was like like

52:45

sort of a big deal. Right

52:49

when I was on the cover of it was the only time Vulture

52:51

ever had a physical issue. They actually

52:53

sent a magazine to everyone

52:56

in the country and it was Vulture

52:58

magazine and it was photo me

53:00

on the cover and it said Yep, I'm flacid. And then

53:02

in the little sidebar it was like plus

53:05

Rachel Senate Rising you

53:07

know that

53:09

said I did read a pretty convincing

53:12

piece by Seth Simons after that that

53:14

like was more of an in depth

53:16

investigation and whether you're

53:19

flaccid. There's some like pretty

53:21

interesting points of the idea that George's

53:23

heart not flacid. Well, Seth, Yeah,

53:26

Seth has always said he thinks I'm

53:28

hard. Yeah, and

53:31

he you know, I mean, he did do the work. He interviewed

53:34

a lot of people, Um, he met polar

53:36

like had a lot to say about right.

53:40

I was like, I don't know why she would know. Yeah, that seemed

53:42

weird to me because I've never met her, not

53:48

any rebuttal I

53:54

I have a lot to say. I think there's merit

53:56

to Jeremy's uh

54:00

uh Jeremy's viewpoint.

54:03

But um, I think both

54:05

of you guys have a little bulge. H

54:09

that's what I think. So

54:11

placid, but

54:15

well, a little a

54:17

little bulge, like a

54:19

little we're both like half

54:25

Yeah, you think we're both half erect that

54:27

and that's you guys. I

54:30

think we can all agree that you guys come

54:32

together at the bulge,

54:35

at a little half erection. That's

54:38

the that's where you guys come together. Man,

54:41

I thought it would be it would be nice to

54:43

see you fail. And now and now it's

54:47

uncomfortable. He still don't get

54:49

you still have never seen we

54:51

fail? Still

55:00

fail? See if we fail?

55:03

Wow, Sam, how

55:05

how would you say? This is? Like?

55:08

What are your thoughts? I am so

55:10

curious as to what the critical

55:13

and audience reception of this particular

55:15

episode will be. I was

55:18

always thinking about the numbers. I'm

55:20

a numbers guy. Data. That's pretty,

55:23

that's pretty. That's past

55:28

you. No,

55:33

no, no, I am still this is this is

55:35

where we this is where we differ because

55:37

I'm always just crunching the numbers and

55:39

trying to figure out who's bon past

55:44

that section. So Jeremy, you're you

55:46

want to move past the Boner Versus classes,

55:48

and I

55:50

do think we were. You know, I'm almost

55:52

team I hate to say it, but I'm almost team Jeremy on

55:55

this one. I felt as though we had sort

55:57

of moved on. It was and here

55:59

we again. There was sort of a natural break, and

56:03

I was so ready to go back into Boner Versus.

56:06

Is like, the episode

56:09

was going well until that point

56:12

and then it went that. It

56:14

went south, so it was erect and then it got

56:16

flaccid. Would say, we go So

56:20

it's kind of I disagree with that because that implies

56:22

the flaccid is bad. Well,

56:26

is it or not? I

56:28

don't think it is. You're

56:31

kind of like you just think FLASCT

56:33

interact are equally good. Yeah, they're just different.

56:36

I think they're for different times. Yeah.

56:39

No, if you were erect all the time,

56:42

it would be horrible, and if you were flaccid

56:44

all the time, it would be horrible. Okay,

56:48

it might be nice. We haven't tried either

56:51

of those options. I mean, I'm currently

56:53

sometimes sometimes flast and I'm certainly

56:56

not like over the Moon happy

56:59

yea, but the

57:02

other that's

57:08

that's what I think. Damn.

57:12

Um, Well,

57:16

do we think we got to the bottom?

57:21

I don't know. I mean, so

57:23

you're Sam your team Jeremy. Uh

57:27

in the sense that I

57:29

felt like the we had moved on, yes,

57:32

well no, now we've moved on from debating whether

57:35

we've moved on, Well, I don't

57:37

believe that, because the debate

57:39

rages on. Should we have opening arguments?

57:43

So Sam and I are going to now debate on whether

57:45

we've moved on from the from

57:48

the bona versus flat. Wait? Wait, I

57:50

want to go back. I want George.

57:52

Someone hasn't moved on, George.

57:56

I want to go back a little, George. How do you feel

57:59

a out everything going on right now? Listen?

58:02

If you'd asked me before this what's good and what's bad?

58:05

I would have said erect is good, flacid is bad.

58:08

But the combination of

58:10

Rigattes scientific inquiry,

58:13

Jeremy's more social sciences

58:15

survey based work, and

58:18

then both of them together doing the um

58:22

uh, I think they really brought

58:25

together the three pillars, which is tech,

58:28

academia, and entertainment and

58:31

all of that together has made me completely

58:34

rethink from the bottom up my

58:36

entire thoughts on erect

58:39

versus flacid to the

58:41

point where at this point I'm

58:43

thinking like, I'm gonna

58:45

try doing activities with the

58:47

opposite thing that I normally do. So I'll try sex

58:50

with a flacid penis and then

58:52

running errands with a fully erect one to

58:55

see if maybe switching things up will

58:57

rewire my brain in a

58:59

certain way. What do you think? I

59:02

mean, I think that's a really commendable and I say

59:04

good luck on that journey. I can't wait for you to

59:06

report back. Next time I take

59:08

one of my walks, I will be fully erect and

59:10

thinking about the similarities between tech

59:12

and academia. I

59:16

mean, I mean having sex is

59:18

an errand oh ship

59:22

classic surrounded by all

59:30

Right, I guess we have to do this again. The

59:32

girls are like Daddy, who's gay? Oh

59:39

my god? Um? Should we

59:42

end this episode? Yeah? Yeah, we have to, in

59:44

fact, because our next guest is um waiting

59:47

to come on. Um.

59:50

Well, guys, this has been an

59:52

experienced UM. I

59:54

think you have pushed the limits

59:56

of what this podcast can be, and

59:59

to that, I say hats

1:00:01

off to you. Agreed push push

1:00:04

the limits, but also made it even

1:00:06

more limited. In some ways. Yeah,

1:00:08

thank you so much. Yeah,

1:00:12

I I

1:00:15

feel like I don't know who I am anymore, but I

1:00:18

think that can be powerful. But I also have never

1:00:20

felt more secure in my identity exactly.

1:00:23

That's awesome, awesome. Our final

1:00:26

segment is called shout Out. I forgot we had

1:00:28

a final segment. This

1:00:31

is something tells me it might take a very long time.

1:00:34

In this segment, this is back

1:00:37

before our podcast became all about being conceptual

1:00:40

and it was simply about analyzing straight culture.

1:00:42

We thought the shout out, the radio shout out, think

1:00:44

of a TRL shout out, think of a Z one shoutout,

1:00:47

was one of the pillars of straight culture. So we thought

1:00:49

we would end each episode with a shout

1:00:52

out, UM to your boys back home,

1:00:54

Sam, do you have one? Uh?

1:00:56

Yeah I do? UM whenever,

1:00:59

Okay, what's

1:01:01

up, listeners. Um, I just want to give a huge

1:01:03

shout out to the RuPaul's Drag Race

1:01:06

Reunion episode. That was the

1:01:08

longest episode of television

1:01:10

I have ever watched. It was so so

1:01:13

boring and undynamic, and I couldn't

1:01:15

care less. It was a full two

1:01:17

hours of my life wasted. I think it was maybe only

1:01:20

an hour and a half except that the thing that

1:01:22

I recorded it on kept messing

1:01:24

up, so I had to keep rewinding and fast forwarding,

1:01:27

and so it took a cool two hours.

1:01:29

I did not finish it because I had

1:01:31

to record this podcast

1:01:33

today, and in many ways

1:01:36

that saved me. So whatever happened in the last

1:01:38

ten minutes of RuPaul's Drag Race reunion, I don't

1:01:41

know, but I ben it was boring. Who

1:01:44

god, what a what a truly one

1:01:46

eight in terms of tone and topics.

1:01:49

Yeah, to go from fully conceptual

1:01:51

to talking about RuPaul's Drag Race. And

1:01:53

can I say, I you

1:01:56

know, I could feel us hiding our homosexuality

1:01:59

while we had these two guys on here, and

1:02:01

so I said, you know what, we

1:02:03

are just gay guys still, And

1:02:06

just because we have these hilarious

1:02:09

comedians on here doesn't

1:02:11

mean we

1:02:13

aren't still gay guys that listen

1:02:15

to Lady Gaga and watch

1:02:18

fucking drag Race. So get over

1:02:20

it. We have a different favor of reference than

1:02:22

you. That's fine. That wow, So you

1:02:24

actually are doing activism. This

1:02:26

is activism. Interesting.

1:02:30

He's pretty I feel like Jeremy's

1:02:32

pretty anti that. No.

1:02:38

I this whole time, I was like, look,

1:02:41

we got to talk about art, art pop and

1:02:45

even the way you said that Saturday it was hateful.

1:02:48

So sorry. And

1:02:54

I like when Lady Gaga were the meat dress.

1:02:57

Oh my god, yeah, Jeremy,

1:02:59

we all did. Yeah, Jeremy,

1:03:02

and I just uh,

1:03:05

I love all the stuff you guys love too. Yeah.

1:03:08

Yeah, well you're gay about that? Yeah,

1:03:13

because I'm gay? Wow.

1:03:16

Well congratulations,

1:03:19

Jeremy. You're kind of like that guy from the Bachelor that

1:03:21

just came out and was getting his own reality show. You're

1:03:23

gonna get canceled now, you're gonna Yeah,

1:03:26

now that you're gay, you're definitely gonna get canceled. They're

1:03:28

gonna look at you a little bit closer. Yeah,

1:03:32

you think it would make you less cancelable, but actually

1:03:35

people really investigate. Now. Um, okay,

1:03:38

I guess I'll go please.

1:03:40

Um what's up, listeners. I want to give a quick

1:03:43

shout out to the woman

1:03:46

in the book I'm reading. He's

1:03:49

this Hungarian woman and has a maid, and

1:03:51

I think that's so fucking cool because

1:03:54

she's because the maid keeps being mean to her, but she

1:03:56

keeps wanting to befriend the maid because she has

1:03:58

a class into Curtis and

1:04:01

I I think it's It's it's

1:04:03

so complex to both haven't made and want to

1:04:05

be friends with her, even though she's constantly

1:04:07

rude to you, and I hope to one day haven't

1:04:09

made that constantly is rude to me, but I keep

1:04:12

wanting to get friends with her. Whoo who

1:04:15

um, So, Jeremy, do

1:04:18

you want to go or yeah? Oh

1:04:21

yeah, I'll do one too. I

1:04:24

got a shout out, Hey, I just

1:04:27

want to give a shout out to Havy

1:04:29

Givinson. She made

1:04:31

Rookie Meg, she was on TV. She

1:04:37

organized a get Well Soon card drive

1:04:40

for Malala. Oh my god, you're

1:04:42

reading Google again doing

1:04:44

fourteen year old Pakistani girl

1:04:47

who's campaigning for education. Both

1:04:56

hear me, Tavvy

1:05:00

Gevinson and Malala. You

1:05:02

guys inspire me every day, and

1:05:06

I think all women should have access

1:05:09

to high quality education. Ragette,

1:05:11

go on, all

1:05:14

right, hey, what's up, listeners?

1:05:17

I just wanted to give a quick shout out to Malala

1:05:20

um who was at

1:05:23

one of Jeremy's parties. Who and she was saying

1:05:25

the R word a lot there. I

1:05:30

think you go off, Queen. You can

1:05:33

say you're allowed to say the all

1:05:35

right, um, but you're not

1:05:38

allowed to say go off. Queen ragette whatever,

1:05:43

queen that's maybe that's um

1:05:46

god, it's like as soon as Jeremy comes out, you

1:05:48

immediately try to say, go off, just

1:05:52

let him have this one thing. Sorry,

1:05:55

sorry Jeremy s alright, Okay,

1:05:58

well well what do we That's

1:06:01

that's an episode in the can for sure, I

1:06:08

guess. I My final thought is like, we

1:06:10

came in here and really I

1:06:13

think we like we had a responsibility

1:06:16

as the straight

1:06:19

to like not really

1:06:21

like mess up the vibe of and

1:06:25

I think we did mess up the We messed

1:06:27

it up pretty bad. Yeah, And

1:06:31

so so we offer

1:06:35

we're about to apologize. Sorry. Sorry

1:06:38

that Yeah,

1:06:41

so we're sorry. We're sorry to the listener, We're

1:06:43

sorry to all the girls

1:06:45

that we talked about. I just want to Yeah,

1:06:48

I do want to apologize all IT girls.

1:06:50

I want to give a huge apology to

1:06:53

the girls. If you're a girl listening

1:06:55

to this, I'm really really sorry.

1:06:58

Will do better, and also get

1:07:01

in touch with Jeremy. He's looking for more

1:07:03

always. Yeah, he's all vaxed up

1:07:05

and ready for more IT girls. Yeah,

1:07:07

get your elk years on. Yeah, he's vexed

1:07:09

up, gay and ready for more IT girls. Yeah.

1:07:12

Jeremy is. Jeremy is

1:07:14

gay and surrounded by eight

1:07:16

girls in his ironic comedy Castle,

1:07:19

and he wants to know who is gay

1:07:21

or and who is not? Daddy who's

1:07:23

gay? And Jeremy says, actually, wow,

1:07:28

Well let's end it there. Guys,

1:07:31

thanks for doing the pod and have

1:07:33

an incredible future.