Dani starts this episode with the tragic story of the murder of Lesandro Guzman-Feliz, a 15 year old boy taken by gang members.

Drew tells us the tragic and haunting story of Benjamin Whitlock, and how misplaced loyalty leads to the downfall of grand proportions.

Additional minor topics: Abolitionism, Lord of the Rings, social media, handwritten notes, fake news, being rich, Die Hard, Mr. Hankie, and much more.

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