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1:12

Of This strange

1:15

thing with Joshua Warren.

1:25

I am Joshua Pe Warren and

1:27

each week on this show I'll be bringing

1:29

you brand new mind blowing content, news,

1:31

exercises and weird

1:34

experiments you can do at home, and

1:36

a lot more on this

1:38

edition of the program. How

1:41

anti gravity built

1:44

the pyramids. You

1:47

know, for almost twenty years

1:51

I have known nick redfern.

1:54

He is a great friend uh the kind

1:56

of guy who has slept on my couch, you

1:58

know, and is

2:01

well. He was born in England and

2:03

he lives in Texas now and he is

2:05

one of the most talented researchers

2:08

and writers in the world. We've

2:11

been on TV shows together, we've

2:14

investigated in the field together, we

2:16

have spoken at live events

2:18

together. As a matter of fact, Nick

2:20

redfern was a

2:23

part of the

2:25

x OPS TV show debacle

2:29

uh, from Roswell, New Mexico,

2:31

that I talked about an episode

2:33

ten of this podcast. Now that is

2:35

a story for you. The

2:38

results of that project are still locked

2:40

away in a vault somewhere. If you don't know what I'm

2:42

talking about, go back and

2:44

listen to episode ten of this

2:47

strange things podcast. Um.

2:52

So, yeah, Nick and I we we've got

2:54

some war stories and uh,

2:56

he has a new book out let just for the

2:58

heck of it. Let me start by reading you the

3:00

little blurb, the kind of bio blurb,

3:03

on the back of the book. And this just

3:06

scratches the surface of his work. UH,

3:09

the author of more than sixty

3:11

books, including the NASA

3:13

conspiracies, the

3:16

real men in black, bloodline

3:18

of the Gods and the Pyramids

3:21

and the Pentagon. He has been on many

3:23

television shows, including travel channels

3:26

in search of monsters, history

3:28

channels unexplained, ancient

3:30

aliens and Monster

3:32

Quest, sci fi channels,

3:35

proof positive and the National

3:37

Geographic Channels Para natural.

3:40

Nick is a regular guest on coast

3:42

to coast a m UH. Pretty

3:44

much, if you're in this field you know who

3:47

nick redfern is and we

3:49

all pay attention when he brings a new book

3:51

out. And his brand new book is called

3:54

how anti gravity

3:56

built the pyramids. That's

4:00

a catchy title, and

4:02

then it says the mysterious technology

4:04

of ancient super structures.

4:07

Now, I had to

4:09

think about how I was going to present this

4:11

and I want to explain something

4:14

about how I have decided to

4:16

produce this podcast. Uh,

4:19

from the very beginning, this is

4:21

is my style. I want you to realize

4:23

that I uh, when I was

4:25

a kid and I decided to

4:27

start getting involved in media, my

4:30

thing was like, I want to be a writer. You know,

4:32

I consider myself first and foremost

4:34

a writer. I have published over twenty books

4:36

myself, some with big publishers

4:39

like Simon and Schuster, and

4:41

I actually still, to this

4:44

day, consider myself primarily a

4:46

writer, even though I

4:48

speak it now more than

4:51

I actually write it. It's

4:53

this. It's the same process. It's

4:55

putting words together and telling stories.

4:59

And so when I am

5:01

looking at another writer's

5:03

work, I view it a little

5:05

bit differently than somebody who just

5:09

hosts a podcast or a radio

5:11

show or a TV show. You

5:13

see, traditionally, when someone

5:16

writes a book and then decides

5:19

to go out and promote that book, well

5:21

then they say, okay, I'm available

5:24

for a certain period of time, and

5:26

then what you're supposed to do is bring

5:28

that person onto your show and

5:31

then you interview that person about

5:34

the book and you have

5:36

a big conversation about it and then maybe

5:38

people can call it and ask questions. That's how

5:40

everybody does it. But I

5:43

decided that I was going to do things

5:45

a little differently because, again,

5:48

I can look at this situation from a writer's

5:50

point of view and, uh,

5:52

what I realized was that when

5:55

a writer is

5:57

writing a book, that

6:00

writer is in a completely different

6:03

mindset than when

6:05

that writer is giving

6:07

an off the cuff interview. Uh,

6:11

it's not the same thing. It's like, you know,

6:13

it's to me like sometimes I

6:15

would take like two years to write a book

6:18

and I sit down and I just put a lot of thought

6:20

and effort into gathering the words

6:22

and the concepts and assembling

6:24

everything to present uh,

6:26

the exactly as I want it presented. Okay,

6:31

and then after it's released,

6:33

somebody says, well, come on my show at six o'clock

6:35

in the morning and we're gonna, you know, talk about this for

6:37

thirty minutes and you get up

6:39

in your groggy and and you

6:42

start talking about your book and it's like it's

6:45

it's not. You're not capturing the real

6:47

essence of what you spent two

6:49

years producing. It's two separate things.

6:52

So what I prefer to do

6:55

in many cases is, instead

6:58

of interviewing the

7:00

author of a new book, I

7:02

will contact that author and say,

7:05

will you please give me permission to

7:08

actually read some of

7:10

your book on the show,

7:13

and everybody always says yes, that's

7:16

wonderful, that's fantastic. They

7:18

can sleep late, they don't have to schedule an

7:20

interview and I get to also,

7:22

I you know, I can do this whenever I want. And

7:24

but the best part is you're

7:26

actually getting a sample of the real

7:29

product, not somebody

7:31

talking about it. You're getting the real thing.

7:34

And I don't interview a lot of people on

7:36

this podcast. Intentionally. Uh.

7:39

Anyway, for a number of reasons, I

7:41

want to get into all of those, but I

7:43

feel like that, again, given just my

7:46

own background as an author and my own

7:48

personal experiences, you're going to get a better

7:50

feel for what the author wanted

7:52

to produce and put out there in the world

7:55

if if I just read you some of it. So that

7:57

is what I'm going to do right now. I'm going

7:59

to read you some of the introduction

8:01

here from Nick redfern's new book

8:03

how anti gravity built the pyramids.

8:06

Here we go. Imagine,

8:11

if you will, the following

8:13

scenario before you. It's

8:16

several millennia ago and

8:18

deep in the heart of what is now called

8:21

the Middle East, there

8:23

are desert sands in every

8:25

single direction. The

8:27

temperature is soaring and

8:29

it's only getting hotter, and

8:31

the air is as dry as it could

8:34

be. Suddenly,

8:36

the sky above you begins to

8:38

grow dark, ominously,

8:41

to be sure. Huge

8:44

shadows appear here, there

8:46

and everywhere. Those

8:49

same shadows slowly begin

8:51

to envelope just about all

8:53

and everyone in sight. They

8:56

even blot out the light of

8:58

the sun itself. You

9:00

know all too well from

9:03

where those massive shadows are

9:05

coming. The skies you

9:09

have seen this happen time and time again,

9:11

but on each and every occasion you

9:14

simply cannot fail to be completely

9:17

awed, hypnotized,

9:19

almost perhaps, by

9:21

the incredible view that is above

9:24

your head. You

9:26

look up and you squint. It's all

9:28

you can do in

9:31

all directions. Countless

9:33

huge stones, many

9:35

of them and excess of one thousand

9:39

tons in weight, are slowly

9:41

moving above the landscape that's

9:43

right above like an unstoppable

9:46

army of determined giant

9:49

ants devoted to their queen. The armada

9:51

of stones follow the paths of those

9:53

who are controlling them.

9:55

You continue to stare as the stones

9:58

finally reach their location and then,

10:00

bit by bit and with shockingly

10:03

incredible preciseness, the

10:05

stones are lowered, one by one, all

10:08

into place. Each

10:10

massive block has been carefully molded

10:13

into perfect shape and is now becoming

10:15

part of a temple of absolute

10:18

gigantic proportions. The

10:21

process takes only a few days

10:23

before it is repeated again and

10:26

again. Neither you

10:29

nor any of your people

10:31

have any real sure

10:33

ideas as to who

10:35

the movers of the stone are. And

10:39

all of the time, and

10:41

while the work is going ahead, deep

10:45

humming sound penetrates

10:47

your body, causing it to

10:50

slightly vibrate.

10:54

Okay, I'm going to stop there for a second

10:57

as we take our first break. These

11:00

see what I mean. Like if if I got

11:02

nick on here and I said tell me about your book, you'd

11:04

be like, well, here I wrote a book about

11:06

but isn't it better to hear

11:10

the way he has written this to

11:12

help you actually envision what he's writing

11:14

about? And what do you think the secret

11:17

is here? He I mean that's

11:19

that's a pretty bold title. How

11:21

anti gravity built the Pyramids? Well,

11:23

what's HE gonna say? How does

11:26

he know? What could his explanation

11:28

possibly be? Well,

11:31

when we come back, I'm gonna tell you. I'm not gonna

11:33

leave you hanging. This is not just a tease. I'm going

11:35

to tell you exactly what he thinks

11:37

is going on. I'M NOT gonna Spoil his book.

11:40

Don't worry about that, nick, I'M NOT gonna spoil

11:42

it, but I will tell you

11:44

what he's writing about. Didn't

11:46

that good stuff? All

11:48

right, before we hit the break, another thing.

11:51

I I'm recording this in September.

11:54

Next month is October

11:57

and I have a little

11:59

October. So prize I think I'm gonna Spring

12:01

on you, but I probably

12:04

I am not going to talk about it on

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this show, at least not at first. I

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brain from my studio and in the

14:00

city Las Vegas, Nevada,

14:02

where every day is golden and every

14:05

night is silver. Of course

14:07

you can go to Amazon Dot Com

14:10

and just look up the

14:12

name Nick Redfern, R

14:15

E D F E R N, or

14:18

just look up the name of his book how

14:20

anti gravity built the pyramids,

14:23

and he has a blog

14:25

spot here, nick redfern

14:28

forten dot blog

14:30

spot dot com.

14:33

And of course, Fortien, named

14:35

after the Great Charles

14:37

Fort. Charles Fort was an American writer.

14:40

He lived from eighteen seventy four until nineteen

14:42

thirty two and he specialized in documenting

14:46

and writing about anomalous phenomena.

14:48

So the terms Fort Ian and forty ANA

14:51

are often used to characterize

14:54

these types of bizarre things, and

14:57

he's always been a hero of

14:59

mine. Nick read fern obviously

15:01

enjoys the work of Charles Fort and

15:04

I guess I should point out that just

15:07

recently I

15:09

submitted a short film

15:12

about o Ufos that I produced

15:14

years ago to the

15:17

first fourteen film

15:19

festival in England and

15:22

UH guess what? It won the

15:25

Gold Award. Oh ufos,

15:27

a new discovery. It won

15:30

the Gold Award for best documentary

15:33

short at the fourteen film

15:35

festival. So how cool

15:37

is that? Um goes

15:40

to show how this concept

15:43

of Fortiana just keeps popping up

15:45

and tying us all together. So,

15:48

okay, let's get back to the

15:52

amazing story, shall we, from Nix's

15:54

book, How anti gravity built

15:56

the pyramids. You

16:00

have pondered long on who the

16:02

WHO? These people, these

16:05

people who come from the skies, are

16:09

a mighty race from a land far

16:11

away from Earth, gods,

16:15

beings from another world in the sky.

16:18

All you really know is that one day

16:20

they weren't there and

16:22

then one day they were there. Now,

16:25

of course, let me remind you he's talking about the point

16:27

of view of ancient people. Okay, he says,

16:29

one day they these things, these

16:31

beings, moving these stones. One day they weren't

16:34

there and all of a sudden they're there, and not only

16:36

there, but they're in massive, near

16:38

worldwide proportions,

16:42

and their arrival, along

16:44

with their increasing and growing presence,

16:47

is changing the world, nodding the planet

16:49

with huge stone enigmas that still

16:51

have yet to be beaten. When it

16:53

comes to the mystery stakes, and

16:56

now they're even teaching you how to create

16:59

such structures for you and those

17:02

of your villages, towns and cities.

17:05

Such as the ease of how the operations

17:07

work. Indeed, it turns

17:10

out that the entire process is amazingly

17:12

simple to put into place and far quicker

17:15

than you thought such a thing could be

17:17

achieved. Eventually,

17:20

though, the time arrives when

17:22

those who have all of the power to

17:25

raise the mighty stones and create

17:27

massive buildings with amazing,

17:29

awesome ease leave.

17:33

There were rumors and tales of this incredible,

17:36

mysterious civilization having

17:38

sculpted unimaginable landscapes

17:41

and other lands and nations

17:44

overseas even two you

17:46

never forgot them.

17:48

How could you welcome

17:51

to the world of what I call

17:54

the levitators? Today,

17:59

all the is left of this enigmatic civilization

18:02

and of their sensational aerial

18:04

skills are myths, legends

18:07

and untold numbers of massive

18:09

blocks of stone that forever perplex

18:11

and tantalize us. How could such

18:13

incredible technology have been created

18:16

put into action with such ease and speed?

18:20

These questions were asked, and

18:24

then they're

18:26

asked then and they're still asked now, and although

18:29

we don't have the full story, we

18:31

do know that the key

18:33

to moving immense blocks of stones was

18:37

nothing less than sound.

18:43

Yes, really, the levitators

18:45

mastered the technology of sound thousands

18:48

of years ago. What they called

18:51

the technology back then? Well, we have

18:53

no idea. Today, however, it's

18:56

known as Acoustic Levitation and,

19:00

for all of our science and technology, when

19:02

it comes to it, we're still very much in our

19:04

infancy, trying to solve

19:07

something that we simply cannot

19:09

grasp, not to

19:12

a significant degree at least. Later

19:16

we'll get to the deeper side of this

19:18

amazing science that, for centuries upon

19:21

centuries, allowed so many incredible, famous

19:23

structures to be put into place, and

19:25

so long ago. For

19:27

now, though, here's a perfect, concise description

19:29

of acoustic levitation from Marie D Jones

19:32

and Larry Flaxman, who have themselves

19:35

sought to solve the mystery of ancient

19:37

anti gravity. Okay, so here's a passage

19:40

from Marie D Jones and Larry Flaxman,

19:44

the Jones flaxman team.

19:48

Actually, we're not quite the passage yet.

19:51

Okay, so here let me just start

19:53

this over and say the Jones Flaxman team

19:56

present the phenomenon, as quote

19:58

too, opposing sound

20:00

frequencies with interfering sound

20:02

waves, thus creating

20:04

a resonant zone that allows

20:06

the levitation to occur. Theoretically,

20:10

to move a levitating object,

20:13

simply change or alter the two

20:15

sound waves and tweak accordingly.

20:18

End Quote. You

20:21

may think that is all very simple,

20:23

too simple even in some ways.

20:25

It actually is, at least on a very

20:27

small scale, and that's the big

20:29

problem for us today. The technology

20:32

allows us to successfully utilize

20:34

it only on a tiny level. Somehow,

20:37

though, the ancients were able to use acoustic levitation

20:40

on almost unbelievable size.

20:44

For us, it's very much like not seeing

20:47

the forest for the trees. How

20:49

stuff works says the following, demonstrating

20:52

that the science is now growing

20:55

and adding to the science of all of this. And

20:57

now here's a passage. To understand

21:00

how acoustic levitation works, you

21:02

first need to know a little about gravity,

21:04

air and sound. First, gravity

21:07

is a force that causes objects to attract

21:09

to one another. The simplest

21:11

way to understand gravity is through Isaac

21:13

Newton's law of Universal gravitation.

21:16

This law states that every particle in the universe

21:19

attracts every other particle, and the

21:21

more massive an object is, the more

21:23

strongly it attracts other objects.

21:26

The closer objects are, the

21:28

more strongly they attract each other.

21:31

An enormous object like the earth

21:33

easily attracts objects that are close

21:35

to it, like apples hanging from trees.

21:38

Scientists haven't decided exactly

21:40

what causes this attraction, but

21:42

they believe it exists everywhere in

21:45

the universe. And

21:49

then he gets gets back into his UH

21:51

intro and he says, could the construction

21:54

of the world's biggest buildings really

21:57

have been achieved so incredibly easy

22:00

and when we can't even barely get

22:02

off the starting blocks? For

22:05

the LEVITATORS, at least, the answer is a

22:08

decisive yes to both questions. As

22:11

for us, to a degree, we're still fumbling

22:13

around in the dark, or perhaps fumbling

22:15

in the sand would be a

22:17

more appropriate phrase, taking

22:20

into consideration that many of the amazing sites

22:23

that we will be visiting as this amazing

22:25

story grows and grows, for

22:27

the most part, beliefs in the existence

22:29

of these vanished, mighty ancient people

22:32

who cracked the secrets of nothing less

22:34

than anti gravity are

22:36

largely scoffed at, ignored

22:39

and dismissed by many

22:41

even in some aspects of the scientific

22:44

community. We're talking about Millennia

22:46

old aspects of ancient,

22:49

real world people similar to those

22:51

described and the tales of mythical

22:53

Atlantis and move or.

22:56

Conversely, we might be talking about

22:58

honest to goodness X or terrestrials.

23:01

As we continue with our story, the

23:03

origin of these stonemasons of the absolutely

23:06

incredible kind begin to clear.

23:09

Did these people, whatever their origins,

23:11

finally leave our world behind, taking

23:14

all of their incredible secrets with them?

23:16

Were those same secrets destroyed,

23:19

leaving us with only fragments of a science

23:21

that was radically different to that of ours?

23:24

Have they periodically come back to

23:26

share their secrets with a few of us,

23:30

or is everything lost to us? Do

23:33

we only have now myths and legends

23:35

to work on? All of these questions

23:37

will be addressed in the pages of this book.

23:40

To try to get the answers to

23:43

the enigmatic riddle, we need to travel

23:45

much of the globe, and that's exactly

23:47

what we will be doing. We will cross

23:49

paths with the likes of Stonehenge, the

23:52

massive stones of Ball Beck and Lebanon,

23:55

the Egyptian pyramids, Easter Island

23:57

and numerous other creations that may,

23:59

they well have been erected in some of

24:01

the most alternative ways that

24:04

one could possibly imagine.

24:07

And then, having done that, we'll

24:09

take a handful of trips through

24:12

the centuries and then, after

24:14

all of that, a final great

24:16

leap to see how we today

24:19

and the twenty first century are now

24:21

slowly starting to realize

24:24

just why our civilization and

24:27

our historians have gotten

24:29

so much massively

24:32

wrong. Alrighty,

24:36

time for another short break

24:38

and okay, when we come back I

24:41

want to tell you some about my own

24:43

personal experiments with Acoustic Levitation

24:47

and some of my ideas on how realistic

24:49

this is. Um

24:52

and you know it's it's

24:54

an amazing concept, but those

24:56

are amazing structures. So

24:59

I think we've got to have a

25:01

pretty profound change in our

25:03

thinking to grasp how

25:06

that people who lived thousands of years

25:08

ago may been

25:10

able to produce some of these things

25:12

that we say that we really can't even produce

25:15

today. Boy,

25:18

that is a mystery, isn't it? I'm Joshua

25:21

Pete Warren. You're listening to strange

25:23

things all on the I heart radio and

25:25

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25:28

network. I will be back after

25:30

these important messages. Welcome

26:07

back to strange things

26:10

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26:12

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26:14

network, I'm your host, Joshua

26:16

Pete Warren, and this is the show where the

26:19

unusual becomes usual.

26:23

I want to read to you just

26:25

a little bit more from

26:27

Nick redfern's new book how anti

26:30

gravity built the pyramids, the

26:33

mysterious technology of ancient

26:35

superstructures. And

26:38

again, just go to Amazon and look up Nick redfern

26:40

and you'll you will

26:42

find a whole rabbit

26:45

hole of material that nick

26:47

has produced. Just

26:50

a little bit more, though, there

26:53

is no doubt that, when it comes

26:55

to the controversial issue of anti

26:58

gravity and ways

27:00

and means by which it may have been spectacularly

27:04

achieved thousands of years ago, most

27:07

researchers of this enigmatic phenomenon

27:09

tend to head in the direction of Egypt

27:12

for the answers to the riddle that

27:15

or in the direction of that bastion

27:17

of data, the Internet. You only

27:19

have to look at the Pyramids to see why the Pyramids

27:22

of Giza still amaze people

27:24

after such a long period of time. Largely

27:27

it's because the mighty structures are so

27:29

immense and so unmissable. On

27:32

top of that, they are so incredibly

27:34

precise in their construction, and

27:36

that's why we are beginning with Egypt and its

27:38

connections to anti gravity.

27:41

It's the ultimate story to get the whole

27:43

thing going. You

27:46

gotta Add this book to your collection. Thank

27:48

you, Nick Redfern, for allowing

27:51

me to read those passages to the

27:53

audience. And, uh,

27:55

you know his stuff. It's talking about a page

27:57

Turner and you know, it's

27:59

kind of funny because when you think about it's

28:01

called how anti gravity built the Pyramids

28:04

and he's saying sound waves, we're

28:07

we're working. I don't know it technically

28:09

that would be anti gravity

28:11

because gravity is still it's it's not

28:13

like you're negating gravity. Gravity

28:16

is still there, but you're actually

28:18

working within the

28:21

constraints of gravity

28:23

to still produce levitation. So

28:26

I don't know, like I'm not sure how a scientist

28:29

would sit down and split hairs

28:31

on that, but you get the picture. You understand

28:33

what he's talking about and it

28:35

is just mind boggling

28:37

when you try to think about some of these

28:39

things that have been moved

28:41

by ancient people. I mean think

28:44

about how long ago, like, uh, we'll

28:46

think about what you were doing ten years ago. Just

28:49

take a second think about what you were doing ten

28:51

years ago and how long ago that

28:53

seems to you. Think

28:56

of thousands of years. I

28:58

mean you really can't imagine what people

29:01

were like thousands of years ago. And

29:03

we really don't even know because we,

29:05

you know, we have these little, you know, scattered writings

29:08

that have been pieced together and mistranslated

29:11

and that's just a little tiny, you

29:13

know, figment of of what things

29:15

were obviously like back then. Um,

29:20

you know one thing that nick talks

29:22

about, you know, he mentioned the ball back stones.

29:25

That's spelled B A A L B E

29:27

K ball back. These are six

29:30

massive blocks and Lebanon

29:34

and if you look them up, uh, scholars

29:36

say that these are characterized

29:40

by how do you like this term?

29:43

Megalithic gigantism,

29:47

unparalleled in antiquity.

29:50

Wow, megalithic

29:55

gigantism somehow.

29:57

I think I need to turn that into a t shirt

29:59

from myself. Some megalithic gigantism

30:02

unparalleled. Uh,

30:05

eight hundred tons. Some

30:07

people have claimed that some of these blocks are even

30:09

bigger, but they are. We're talking eight hundreds.

30:11

Now, you know, a ton like an American

30:14

ton. I know it's over two thousand

30:16

pounds. Let's see. Let mean,

30:18

how I'm gonna do that. How many

30:20

tons is a pound? If you were

30:22

on who wants to be a millionaire, would would you know the answer

30:25

to that? Um

30:27

or listen to me. How many

30:29

pounds is a ton? That

30:31

was kind of a spoonerism. Okay,

30:34

well, it is. It's okay, so it's two thousand pounds.

30:36

Here in America one ton is two thousand pounds.

30:39

So you're talking about eight hundred

30:43

tons. Oh

30:46

my goodness, that's a lot. That's you know, that's

30:48

a big number. You can you can do your

30:50

own research if you want to figure out like what.

30:53

You can compare that to eight hundred

30:55

tons. This is a quarried stone.

31:00

Um. How did they do that? You know, was

31:03

this thing moved or did it stay in place? Nick

31:05

thinks that it was moved. He goes,

31:07

why would you just carve that and leave it there? You

31:10

know, I guess maybe you could. You would do

31:12

it if it was just too big and you're like, okay, maybe

31:14

we went too far with this one this time,

31:16

guys. And then, of course,

31:18

you know, I've been to the Coral Castle down

31:21

there in Florida, were this little

31:23

old guy named Ed Lead Skalnon. Um.

31:27

He of course, pretty

31:29

much single handedly created this fortress

31:32

made of these huge blocks of coral

31:34

and nobody knows exactly how he did it, but

31:36

he would he would hint and say like Oh, I know the secrets

31:39

of the Pyramids and I know he used levers

31:42

and pulleys and stuff like that. I mean, you

31:44

can see some of that stuff still there when

31:46

you go there, but I mean

31:48

I don't know if that alone can explain it. And

31:51

I do know that, Um, there is this

31:53

guy. I should have looked this up before I did

31:55

this podcast, but you probably know I'm talking about. There's

31:57

this guy years ago who made the news, and I

31:59

want to say he lived somewhere up north here in the

32:01

US, and he started studying

32:04

all this these laws of leverage and he was able

32:06

to go out by himself and moved

32:08

some pretty Gargangel in blocks around using

32:11

simple, uh simple machines.

32:14

Like I think at one point he had this gigantic

32:17

concrete slab and

32:20

Um, he it

32:23

was it was just, you know, lying there on the ground

32:25

and he took like a water hose just started

32:27

wetting the ground at one end of it and

32:30

making it kind of turn into mud. And

32:32

so as that happened, one end

32:34

started to kind of synk down into the mud

32:37

and then he would put some blocks behind

32:39

it and shure it up, and then he'd keep

32:42

spraying water there and it would, of course, he'd

32:44

get a little softer and muddier and then

32:46

that it would sink down a little bit more and he'd put a

32:48

block behind it and shut up, and he kept doing

32:51

this until this thing was standing upright.

32:54

The Guy did it all by himself by

32:56

weakening the soil on

32:59

one side of it as he was propping

33:01

it up with blocks, you know, like pieces of wood,

33:03

on the other side of so like there are some ingenious

33:06

ways out there, for sure that

33:08

you can do some unbelievable

33:10

stuff as as just

33:13

you know, well as an individual in

33:16

the right type of setting, well,

33:18

with some simple tools to

33:20

to move some big blocks around. And so I do

33:23

think that we maybe we overestimate,

33:26

Um, you know, some

33:28

of the things that we some of these

33:30

mysteries that were so perplexed

33:32

by it. But here's the

33:34

thing about, like what Nick saying with this

33:37

acoustic levitation thing. All right, so you

33:39

know, I am infatuated

33:41

with symantics. I

33:44

think the most immediate gratification that

33:46

I get in my life is using

33:49

symantics, where I can take sand

33:51

or water and I can

33:53

play tones below

33:55

it and just watch these particles snap

33:58

into all of these wild patterns. To

34:00

me, it's just I

34:02

I can. I can do that all day, every day,

34:04

and I would never lose interest in this

34:06

process because you're seeing the relationship

34:09

between frequencies and vibrations and physical

34:11

matter, and every time I see

34:13

a pattern emerge, it's to me it's like actually

34:16

watching magic manifest right

34:18

before my eyes and

34:21

it's so fulfilling, and that is why I took

34:23

that and turned it into this field

34:25

of study I created called Parasymatics,

34:28

where I would take these cymatic patterns

34:30

and then interject meaning into them

34:33

to create sigils and symbols,

34:36

or do the opposite, which is parasymatics

34:38

two point Oh, where I take sigils and symbols

34:40

and I kind of reverse the process

34:42

and I get sounds from them.

34:45

So, uh, this is a big part

34:47

of what I do and, as a matter of fact, next

34:50

year I planned to announce a

34:52

brand new division of my company

34:55

that is going to be specializing in

34:57

a whole new line of revelue

35:00

snary parasigmatics experiments

35:02

at products and I'm really excited.

35:05

I've been working on this for a long time. But

35:07

the reason I bring this up is in my lab

35:10

where I do para semantics experiments,

35:13

I have performed acoustic

35:16

levitation and

35:18

Um, basically, you

35:20

know, I I even shot a video of it,

35:22

which I'll release at some point, but you

35:24

can find this kind of thing pretty easily if you

35:26

just get on the Internet and click around. Well, we're

35:28

talking about essentially, as you take two

35:31

speakers, uh,

35:33

one that is mounted above the other, and

35:36

they are playing tones

35:40

uh and toward each other, and they're

35:42

tuned so that there is this

35:44

zone in the middle, uh,

35:46

like Marie d Jones and Larry Flaxman

35:49

we're talking about. There's this zone there, UM,

35:53

that holds itself

35:55

as a steady, independent area, and

35:57

you can take something like a little piece of Styrofoam

36:00

and put it in there and it

36:02

just boom, it hits that spot and it just

36:04

sits there and floats, using

36:06

nothing other than sound waves,

36:10

uh, and it's it's a lot like the levitation

36:12

that you've seen with magnets or it even

36:14

kind of reminds me of that effect

36:16

when you take like a beach ball and,

36:19

uh, you let it hover over top

36:21

of a fan. You

36:23

know that's always a fun looking effect. But

36:26

in this case you know you're using sound

36:28

to vibrate the air and

36:30

and create this pocket where things

36:32

can levitate. And so what I've

36:35

done right here on

36:37

a very small budget in my own workshop

36:40

is exactly what Nick is talking about,

36:42

except we're talking about Dylan. Instead of a

36:44

piece of Styrofoam, we're talking about

36:46

a huge granite

36:48

boulder or something like that. So, yeah,

36:51

that's quite a leap from here to there

36:53

or there to hair. But on

36:57

the other hand, the concept

37:00

is sound. No Pun intended

37:02

there. I mean it could, it could be done, I

37:05

guess, if you hit the right notes, and he

37:07

gets into that in the book. So

37:10

I started thinking about like, all right,

37:14

why, if we can do

37:17

this on a small scale and ancient people could

37:19

do it on a big scale, so well, why are

37:21

we struggling right now with reproducing

37:23

that? And then I started thinking

37:25

more about like extraterrestrials and

37:28

then ultra terrestrials

37:32

and then enter dimensionals, and

37:34

I had an experience that I

37:36

want to share with you soon when

37:39

we come back from this break. I guess that's a good time right.

37:41

I had an experience I want to share with you along

37:44

those lines. To explain this. You're

37:47

listening to strange things

37:49

on the I heart radio end coast to coast

37:51

am Parin normal podcast network.

37:55

I'll be right back and

38:30

welcome back to the final segment

38:32

of this edition of strange things

38:35

on the I heart radio and coast

38:37

to coast I am paranormal podcast

38:39

network. I'm your host,

38:42

Joshua P Warren, and

38:44

during the break I looked it up

38:46

and okay, the guy you need

38:49

to take a look at here who can move

38:52

all of these stones by himself

38:56

using these ingenious methods.

38:58

He lives in Michigan. Has Name is Wally

39:01

Wallington. Go to YouTube.

39:04

Do yourself a favor. I promise you when

39:07

you watch some of these videos, this will be some of the most

39:09

amazing stuff you've ever seen in your life.

39:12

Wally W A L L Y.

39:14

that's his first name, and the last name

39:17

is Wallington, W A L L I

39:19

N G T O N. Wally Wallington

39:22

is a retired construction worker

39:25

and uh, there's no doubt that

39:27

some of the stuff that he has

39:29

demonstrated here u has

39:32

to be related to what people like

39:34

Ed lead Skalnen did and

39:37

uh, and of course we're talking

39:39

about these being great clues

39:42

as to how these, some of these

39:44

megalithic structures, were created in the past.

39:47

Certainly doesn't explain all of them, not by

39:49

a long shot, but it still shows

39:51

you how, uh, just

39:55

fascinating it is when people, you know, they

39:57

they really start putting their minds and

39:59

to solve these problems of how to move

40:02

huge things using, uh, actually

40:04

making gravity work for them

40:06

instead of against them. That's the irony. Like we

40:08

think of anti gravity, but in some cases it's

40:11

gravity. Uh, that is

40:13

as as making this possible. You

40:16

see, taking like moving with

40:18

it, almost in a judo

40:20

type style. So really,

40:22

really cool stuff. Okay,

40:24

so here's what I was alluding to before

40:27

the break, and I've been thinking about how

40:29

to explain this and let me let

40:31

me give it a shot because, okay,

40:33

in the past we've always talked about the idea

40:35

of extraterrestrials, beings

40:38

that came here from some other rock out there,

40:40

and now, of course, science has developed

40:43

more, human thinking has developed more, and we talked

40:45

about other dimensions and portals

40:48

and ultra not

40:50

just you know, extraterrestrial, ultra extra

40:53

dimensional and alter demand like we're

40:56

we're reaching beyond and

40:58

we're we're looking at the idea that there

41:00

are realms that are possibly

41:03

non physical to us most of the time,

41:05

but from those realms occasionally

41:07

physical things can

41:09

pop and beings

41:12

can visit. And I was reminded

41:14

of this in a striking

41:18

but very simple experience

41:20

that I had a few days ago. I

41:22

have a swimming pool at

41:24

my house and I was

41:26

out there at night in

41:29

the swimming pool and

41:32

I bought these inflatable

41:35

balls. They're kind of like

41:37

you know inflatable beach balls. I

41:39

got them on Amazon and they

41:42

have a little led light

41:44

inside of them that is solar powered, and

41:46

it's really cool because you just let these things

41:48

float around on your pool during

41:51

the day and then at

41:53

night, when you know when the sun goes down,

41:55

they start glowing and

41:57

so you have these glowing balls

41:59

floating around on top of your pool. It's

42:01

just for decoration. Uh,

42:04

you wouldn't even want to play with them really because

42:06

you don't want to like joggle some circuit

42:08

loose. Uh, and UH,

42:11

they can change colors and I mean it's

42:13

really a neat thing. If you've got a pool and you want

42:15

to go out at night, have have a little, uh,

42:18

spectacle. So I was sitting

42:20

there in the pool and

42:24

you know, I actually I was, I guess the water

42:26

was like it about my almost my

42:28

shoulders, and one of

42:30

these glowing white

42:34

beach balls came floating up

42:36

towards me and

42:38

I just looked down and I

42:40

saw that below

42:43

it, you know, it's on

42:45

the surface of the water, right, but below it,

42:47

below the surface of the water, was

42:49

this exact Hologram

42:52

of it. So

42:55

it looked like a there was a three dimensional

42:58

white ball underneath the

43:00

water, and

43:03

so I reached out and of course I

43:05

passed my hand through it, just

43:07

like it was. It was some Phantom

43:10

and Lauren, and of course Lauren was in the pool and

43:12

I was like check that out. How how

43:14

weird is that? Like if you didn't if you could

43:16

only see, uh,

43:19

what was below the water and not above

43:21

the water? From my point of view, you

43:23

would see an object there, but you

43:26

try to interact with it and

43:28

you can't touch it. It looks like

43:30

it's real, it looks like there's a physical

43:33

object there. It's three d but

43:35

your hand passes through it like it's a ghost.

43:39

And I thought, you know, maybe this

43:41

is another example of what these multiple

43:44

dimensions are like, that

43:46

in some cases you have like

43:48

a dimension is almost like a different

43:51

medium in a way, almost like

43:53

how we compare air

43:56

to water, too solid, you

43:58

know, where you can see

44:01

almost mirages of other things, but

44:03

you can't always interact with them. I

44:06

mean like there is a physical ball

44:09

on top of the water, at

44:11

least that is physical to me as a

44:14

human being on this plane. And so

44:16

since I can reach out and touch that

44:18

thing, well, you know, I can

44:21

interact with it at that level and I

44:23

can't pass my hand through it. But

44:26

if I'm looking at it on this

44:28

other level, which is where, you know it's

44:30

below the water, I'm seeing a reflection

44:33

of it and now I can't interact

44:35

with it, even though it looks like it's physical to me.

44:39

And so I wonder how often that

44:41

when we see ghostly things, we

44:44

might be seeing kind of a Hologram

44:46

in our own dimension of something

44:49

that is very tangible, but

44:51

just outside of that medium, in

44:53

another dimension, it looks

44:56

real. Uh,

44:58

it looks as solid and corporate real in some

45:00

cases as as anything else, and yet

45:03

it doesn't interact with the environment. You see where

45:05

I'm going with that. Now, on the other hand, I

45:08

could reach out and grab that illuminated

45:10

beach ball and shove it under the water

45:14

and then I can reach out now, boom boom,

45:16

I would interact with it. Now it has become interdimensional.

45:19

It has passed from this one medium

45:21

into this other medium

45:23

and now I can touch it.

45:26

But but it's tendency as not to

45:29

be there. So if I release it pal

45:31

it's gonna pop back up to the other medium.

45:34

And this may be kind of like an example

45:37

of how that some of these

45:39

interdimensional things can

45:42

sometimes, under the right conditions, appear

45:46

in our physical realm.

45:48

They can change states, whether they're

45:50

forced to do it or they choose to do

45:52

it. They know how to do it. We don't know what the

45:54

variables are, but sometimes the physical

45:57

thing can actually come here and then

45:59

disappear and sometimes we only

46:01

see kind of a holographic reflection

46:04

of it. And that

46:06

just seemed to me like a pretty good metaphor

46:10

for, uh, for what maybe happening

46:12

when we interact with these other

46:14

beings from the other places and how sometimes

46:17

they come here and when they're here they're

46:19

real, they're physical, they do tangible

46:22

things, but then

46:25

when they are when they're done, they

46:27

just disappear. Where did they go? Where

46:30

is all the evidence? Where are the dead bodies?

46:33

Well, you don't. Well, what

46:35

do you think is? Is that something that

46:38

kind of helps you understand what maybe interdimensional

46:41

activity is and how these these

46:44

visitors and beings can either be seen

46:47

from the other side or sometimes

46:50

they cross over and are encountered. You

46:54

know, Halloween. I told you I'm recording this in September.

46:56

Halloween is coming up. That's when they say the veil

47:00

fins and that

47:02

that separation between

47:05

the physical and non physical,

47:08

our world and the spiritual world. Uh,

47:11

it not only fins, but in

47:13

some cases it becomes almost non existent

47:16

and you have more interactions. I've talked

47:18

about that on this podcast before and

47:21

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47:23

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