0:16

Hello. Welcome them to the show. It

0:18

is me, your I

0:21

was gonna call myself your humble host,

0:23

but I don't think somebody that does.

0:26

pre podcast a week can call himself

0:28

humble. So

0:31

I am your host. Murder

0:34

x Brian as Zy

0:36

england known on Twitter, and

0:39

I'm here, baby. I'm here

0:42

to take your calls. All you with you

0:44

ghouls and goblins. And we do

0:47

have room in the queue

0:49

this week, and people don't start

0:51

fucking own. I'm gonna get off early,

0:54

but you know what? It's gonna be nice. And

0:58

I'll I'd see and prove

1:00

it, BRUID in the

1:02

chat saying being a lot.

1:05

Now I don't know what that is about,

1:07

but I will say this. Somebody

1:10

told me you can get well. See,

1:13

I made it sound like way fucking

1:16

smarter than I

1:19

made it sound way fucking smarter, but somebody

1:21

said that you could get money.

1:24

And this person is Bubba's love sponge

1:27

that said that you could get money

1:30

if you use me. So

1:33

I decided that

1:35

I was going to start

1:37

using Bing. So

1:41

I never used new apps. I'm

1:43

using all the same he

1:45

does, but sex j and

1:47

the chance that Bubba always has a way to make

1:49

money. He does. Hey, I don't know

1:51

why he doesn't have any. So I

1:53

don't know if he's the best guy

1:56

for me to go by. But he did tell me

1:59

not me personally, but he did say on

2:01

his show, if you use Bing

2:03

to search, they will send you

2:05

money. So I fucking

2:07

was like, I'll just

2:09

put Bing on

2:11

my phone. And then I

2:14

Yes. Cup Copy.

2:16

I can't say that, but go ahead and call

2:18

call

2:18

in about being a labor organizer. We

2:21

like talking about that, or I do.

2:24

by

2:25

ah But

2:27

but bubba, like, said that

2:30

you could do it. So I just decided to do it. And

2:32

what I did was since I've never been able to

2:34

talk myself out of using the

2:37

same apps I've been using forever. Like I

2:40

literally I use. I

2:42

use the let

2:45

me see here. I use Twitter. the

2:47

Gmail app, sometimes

2:50

when I'm searching the Reddit

2:53

it'll say switch to the app and I'm like, fine.

2:56

whatever. And then accu

2:58

weather and then texts. Like, I

3:00

don't oh, YouTube premium,

3:02

obviously. That's that's a work thing, though.

3:04

YouTube

3:05

premium. Gotta use it

3:07

for October, which we're in the

3:09

middle of right now or we're

3:11

getting close to the end. We got We got

3:13

man count this week and wrap up

3:16

next week. Yes.

3:18

We're

3:18

bringing a wrap up back. I think you're

3:20

just gonna get I don't know who the guest

3:22

is this week. I might just be me and Chris,

3:25

but I have

3:28

a fresh batch of man

3:30

cow lies. that

3:32

I think

3:34

are some of

3:36

my favorite shit ever. Like, I

3:38

love Man cow lies

3:41

and brother did he

3:43

lie? I mean, this guy

3:46

has been has been lying

3:48

and lying and lying. And

3:51

I'll just give you a quick man

3:54

cow lie He did meet the

3:56

Dolly Llama this year. So,

3:58

through Johnny Depp. He

3:59

he met the

4:01

Dolly Llama through Johnny Depp. I think

4:03

he's decided that Johnny

4:05

Depp is now like

4:08

like a conservative icon

4:10

because

4:11

he I don't think he knows what

4:13

happened between

4:16

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. That

4:18

I don't actually

4:19

haven't heard him explain

4:21

what he thinks happened. But

4:25

he is so into Johnny

4:27

Depp. He hates Amber Heard.

4:30

And That is just what

4:32

he's that that is that's one

4:34

of the things he's into. But, oh,

4:36

I got lies about why he didn't take

4:38

Stern's place. after Howard

4:40

Stern left, which let

4:42

me tell you. It's an incredible

4:44

lie. It is one of my favorite

4:46

lies he's told not as good as

4:49

I I it's hard for me to talk about my favorite

4:51

lies without mentioning that, you know,

4:53

him talking to people before they die

4:55

is actually my favorite lies.

4:58

Like, oh,

5:00

Jake Chinatown in the chat says I bet

5:02

you could get man cow on for like a free burrito.

5:05

So here's what I'm thinking about doing. And this

5:07

might not happen this year because I'm a coward or

5:09

I'll have Chris do it because Chris is

5:11

not afraid to ask people I

5:13

think I wanna give man cow.

5:16

I think I wanna see if I can give

5:18

man cow the

5:21

five minutes without

5:23

me on the show to talk

5:25

to a bunch of communists, which would

5:27

be the listeners of the show, to, like,

5:29

try to convert our

5:32

listeners into mad

5:34

cow listeners. And I thought,

5:36

man, that would be like an incredibly

5:39

funny thing even just to hear

5:41

him like explain what he thinks

5:43

communism is. because I've been having a lot

5:45

of trouble trying to figure out what he thinks

5:47

communism is. the

5:51

Because I've been thinking about it and I think he

5:53

just thinks communism is like Chinese.

5:57

He

5:57

never really says anything

5:59

that is communism.

5:59

Every time he brings it up, it's

6:02

just like a Chinese thing. So

6:05

I don't know. I don't know if he knows the difference

6:07

between Chinese and communism.

6:10

But I do think it would be

6:12

extremely fucking funny.

6:15

to let him try to talk our

6:17

listeners into

6:20

to try to talk our listeners into

6:23

turning

6:24

whatever he is. Nobody knows what the fuck he

6:26

is. It's it's terrifying. Hey, Rocky

6:28

four. And,

6:29

Chad, how are you?

6:32

It is going to be a year.

6:34

And, yes, a wrap up show this year.

6:37

Bob and Tom,

6:39

truly made me sick. I hate those

6:41

men and I have more

6:43

audio that makes

6:45

made me dislike. Like, I didn't even play the

6:48

worst audio because I was sort of afraid.

6:51

One of the things about this season that's

6:53

been weird is that, like, I was kind

6:55

of scared that

6:57

people who

6:59

like Bob and Tom would listen to

7:01

the show, because they

7:03

were like, it's

7:05

not

7:06

hum

7:09

It's not one

7:11

of the things where it's like, okay.

7:13

So it's not a show that people

7:15

hate. It is a show that people

7:17

have really strong

7:20

feelings about, if that makes

7:22

sense. Like, they they listen to it with their

7:24

dad. They were they

7:26

were out there. Like, they

7:28

heard it at work at their first

7:30

job. They like,

7:32

they have, like, a

7:34

a feeling that they they

7:37

like associate with Bob and

7:39

Tom. People really seem to

7:41

like those guys. And You

7:44

know, for years, I've been calling them

7:46

harmless, which is why they never got

7:48

an episode. I hadn't

7:50

given them

7:51

any

7:52

thought. I hadn't

7:54

I hadn't considered

7:57

that they stink. the

8:00

until I listened. And then the

8:02

first thing I ever heard was the

8:04

Bushback Mountain.

8:06

thing. Oh, I haven't heard Donnie Baker yet,

8:08

but the Bushback Mountain thing,

8:11

which which was Bushback

8:13

Mountain was the one that just

8:15

opened with a guy saying if you

8:17

like broke back mountain, you're queer.

8:19

And it's like the craziest

8:21

shit in the world. Like, these guys were

8:24

saying some, like, really fucking

8:26

edgy stuff. And then people were like,

8:28

hey, you can play it on the school bus. go.

8:31

None of the stuff I played should've been played

8:33

on the school bus. So

8:38

just AAA real funny,

8:41

like, kinda people. But, oh, I you

8:43

know, I have this week too. My

8:48

daughter got

8:50

laid off and cried, which is,

8:53

you know, That's crazy. But

8:55

I guess it's your first job. You

8:57

know what I mean? You get laid off.

9:00

And she was bummed. And I

9:02

think it's mainly it's a funny thing.

9:04

I'll I'll bring this up. It's like

9:06

this funny eighteen year old

9:11

outlook on life where I

9:13

said, hey, you know,

9:15

why don't you go apply at one of the other

9:18

eighty seven coffee shops in our neighborhood.

9:20

I mean, we live in a high coffee

9:22

shop neighborhood. I think that's why

9:24

I moved here was

9:26

all the coffee shops. I didn't drink coffee.

9:29

but I had heard that coffee

9:31

shops are where cool

9:33

people go. So I said, you

9:35

know what? I'm a move here

9:38

and learn to drink coffee. So I did.

9:40

I told her she should

9:42

go And I told

9:44

her she should she should, you

9:47

know, go apply at the other places.

9:49

She said, I know, but I my

9:51

friends. I I I'm

9:53

gonna miss my friends at my

9:55

job and it's like bro, you're

9:57

gonna miss your you're gonna

9:59

miss your friends. Like, this is gonna

10:01

happen to you a million gazillion

10:03

times, and it's sad.

10:06

But IIII

10:08

guess, like, they closed so what happened

10:10

is they closed another

10:13

store in there, like, thing.

10:16

And those people that worked at

10:18

that store got to come to my my

10:20

kid's store. And and

10:22

ah Now it's done. It's

10:24

like kind of, you know,

10:28

they they fired all of the teens

10:30

that they had hired to open the store

10:32

at the beginning. But They

10:35

were like, hey, can you come in to work,

10:38

like, for the next two weeks just while they're

10:40

closing the other store?

10:41

And, like,

10:43

I

10:44

don't think in

10:47

my mind that

10:49

I don't think that anybody would ever

10:51

ask an adult to do that. I don't

10:53

know. If you're in the chat or you're on the

10:55

phones or anything like that, you let

10:57

me know. I've never heard

10:59

an adult

11:00

ask to work once they're

11:03

fired or

11:04

laid off. You know? I've never

11:06

heard that. She did. She's a good

11:08

kid. She's nice. But

11:10

people are like, oh, she should

11:12

steal. And I I don't think she stole.

11:14

but she did bring me

11:17

home. Those tablets

11:19

that you put in the dishwater

11:22

at work to

11:24

clean to, like,

11:26

clean the flavors and stuff

11:28

out for my water bottle. So

11:30

I'm, like, incredibly over the moon for

11:32

that. I am glad she got that and and

11:34

brought it to the house. And now

11:36

I have that. So

11:39

happy about that. not happy

11:41

that they got that they fired. I I

11:43

think it fucking sucks. I think it sucks

11:45

to, like, tell these teenagers,

11:47

like, Yeah. You're just,

11:49

like, not as important. And

11:51

I think that's why they hire

11:53

teenagers, by the way. But

11:55

I think that a lot of the the the

11:57

teenagers getting hired is

11:59

because you

11:59

can lay them off and they'll come to work.

12:02

You

12:02

know? You can lay them off and ask them

12:04

to come in and then they will come in because they

12:06

don't wanna fuck over the other workers, which

12:09

is great. You know what I mean?

12:11

Like, I I feel the

12:13

solidarity thing, but it

12:15

is, like, weirdly,

12:18

playing on this

12:21

kind of strange loyalty that

12:23

you're supposed to have, but

12:25

nobody has. So

12:27

I don't know if you're I

12:31

I don't know if you've you've ever been laid off

12:34

Alexander Chaney and the chant said they laid

12:36

off a large number of people at the factory

12:38

where my brother works, including him,

12:40

and have expected them to keep in

12:42

for the next nine days as

12:44

normal. Like, how do you fucking say

12:46

that to some? I've never had this

12:48

happen in my life. I get

12:50

laid off. And maybe they

12:52

just figured, like, if I asked

12:54

Brian to come in when he's laid off, he'll

12:56

tell me to eat shit.

12:58

That's

13:01

the best that's the best

13:04

thing that I

13:06

could think of. And right. Right. Right.

13:08

Alexander in the chat says, and he has to

13:10

because he needs the money. And that

13:12

is, like, a really good point too. Right?

13:14

Is that, like, she's she's

13:16

trying to to to get

13:19

as much money as she can

13:21

out of the place. But it was

13:23

interesting because I posted that on

13:25

chat, like, about you know,

13:29

she's trying to get the the the best

13:31

the most money out of place and they're like, but they're getting

13:33

the most money out of her too. And it just

13:35

never heard of it. I've never heard of

13:37

that. I've never heard of the

13:39

impulse to to make

13:42

people not make people. They couldn't

13:44

make them. but she worked to

13:46

fucking double. A fucking

13:49

double the week they laid her

13:51

off, took her picture off the wall, put

13:53

it back what they call the graveyard, where

13:55

all that fired pictures are.

13:58

Just a a real,

14:00

real

14:00

fucking a

14:02

picking the nuts to a kid. You know, she's

14:04

applying to colleges and shit, and some of

14:06

them aren't even in the state. So she she'd probably

14:08

have to quit anyway. But III think

14:10

it just I think like getting

14:12

I never got fired in my life. I'm

14:14

gonna tell you that. I think I've

14:17

said that on the show. I've

14:19

never been fired. I've been laid off twice.

14:22

I was a roofer

14:24

and I don't even know if I really got

14:26

laid off. they were like, hey,

14:28

do you wanna be laid off? And I said,

14:30

yep. And they were like, well, you

14:32

are. So that's how I got

14:34

laid off at the roofing company.

14:36

But as far

14:38

as, like, all the other jobs, I I don't know. Like, I've

14:40

talked about this with the cable company and, like,

14:42

I was fucking trying to

14:45

get fired. I tried

14:47

very hard to get fired there for

14:49

months and months and months and they just wouldn't

14:51

do it. I think was because they

14:53

liked me. It was, like, I'd been there for,

14:55

like, eight, six years. So it

14:57

was kinda, like, well, you know, the boss was,

14:59

like, willing to put up with a little more

15:01

for me. But like I tried, I did

15:03

everything. I did everything you could do to

15:05

get fired without because,

15:07

you know, there's obviously that minefield

15:09

of, like, well, You

15:12

gotta get fired, but you

15:14

gotta get fired in a certain

15:16

way to get unemployment. So that's

15:18

what I was trying to do. I was trying

15:20

to get fired in such a way

15:22

that I would be fired, I

15:24

would get the unemployment, and then

15:28

be done. So, didn't

15:30

work out, ended up quitting and

15:32

just not getting unemployment, which

15:34

was not great for my

15:36

money situation in my home.

15:38

But, you know,

15:39

what are you gonna fucking do?

15:41

So I think we're gonna go

15:44

to the phones. Again, we have a couple

15:46

of spots in the queue. If you

15:48

want me to do this all night,

15:49

you're gonna have to call in.

15:52

Alright. Here we go. Let's take our first

15:54

phone

15:54

call.

15:57

Well, hello there. You're

15:58

our first caller and

15:59

I whom I talked to.

16:02

Who I talked to?

16:03

Yes. You're talking to Grayson,

16:06

Morris County, California, also

16:08

fix your pump in the chat. Thank you for

16:10

taking my call tonight, Brian.

16:12

Grayson first call. Your was

16:14

the last call.

16:17

Yeah. Yeah. III just had some time. I

16:19

wanna make sure that that that

16:21

I got into it rather than later because I've

16:23

tried after afterwards and the

16:25

queue's been full, the weeks that I've tried. So

16:27

I thought when we -- Yeah. -- when I have the chance, let

16:29

me get into it. Well, how

16:31

are you doing, Grayson? What's up? So

16:33

I

16:35

I'm doing I'm doing

16:37

pretty well. I just

16:39

had some sort of kind

16:41

of some

16:44

interesting thoughts around

16:46

around the management of actually,

16:49

I'll do I'll start with the I'll start with a

16:51

real funny anecdote. My I

16:54

had AII

16:56

have a younger the younger

16:58

cousin, and I I

17:00

mentioned the name

17:01

street fight radio at the

17:03

dinner table for some reason at a family party

17:05

this is months ago. And

17:07

and and his sister

17:09

actually said he's like, oh, yeah. He's

17:11

into he's into street fight radio. And

17:13

I was like,

17:16

fourteen

17:16

year old is empty isn't your show,

17:18

and I'm like, here and then and then here is

17:20

funny. He said, no. No. I'm into

17:23

street fighter, the video game.

17:25

That's three fight radio. Yeah.

17:27

Yeah. On on the call, I

17:29

am not

17:32

I wish I had been a street fighter, Grayson.

17:34

That would be great. Yeah.

17:36

I probably wouldn't be doing radio.

17:39

I'm worried about bad too later

17:42

on. Let me look at the

17:44

queue real quick. Bear might be

17:46

on. Oh, no. I don't think bear is on

17:48

the queue. maybe. I don't

17:50

know. I don't know who's who, really, necessarily

17:52

as well. So

17:55

so Yeah. Yeah.

17:57

What's

17:57

going on? What's going on,

18:00

Grayson?

18:00

I had

18:01

a I was telling you some sort

18:03

of

18:03

interesting thoughts around around

18:07

online mutual aid and

18:08

philanthropy and kind of the

18:11

obstacles around that? because

18:14

I've seen a lot

18:16

I don't know why I don't know

18:18

why maybe my social media feeds

18:20

have gotten a little skewed but

18:22

I've been seeing just a ton of

18:25

hard luck stories basically of people that

18:27

are seeking assistance and they're asking

18:29

people to give them money online.

18:31

and things like that and seeing

18:34

that all I guess every system

18:36

possible is is failing them.

18:38

And and they're just so

18:40

there are so many of them piling up, but it seems like they're

18:42

all relatively simple fixes.

18:45

Now part of this sort of a

18:46

skeptical

18:47

part of my mind is like, okay, are

18:49

are these things for real? Are

18:51

are people perhaps

18:54

lying online, posting this stuff? And that's

18:56

why I've extremely I tried extremely

18:58

carefully around any of that stuff. but

19:01

But then I start to think

19:03

about, okay, I I'm also

19:05

seeing a bunch of headline a

19:08

bunch of stuff

19:09

in publications

19:11

around philanthropy. There's --

19:13

you see very, very large numbers thrown

19:15

around very often might as

19:17

going into very, very

19:18

good cause, but it

19:20

tends to

19:21

be very, very technical and

19:23

very specific. Like, it seems like there's

19:25

an intention to help people

19:26

most of the time when grants are given

19:29

out from

19:29

large donors or

19:30

foundations, but they tend to

19:33

be they tend to always hear

19:35

around helping

19:37

people's individual needs directly.

19:39

And I started to think back to a

19:41

little bit of my understanding of tax law,

19:43

I'm by no means an expert,

19:46

but I did I

19:48

took some tax related

19:50

courses in college

19:52

and some pre law coursework ultimately wound up

19:54

with a degree in political science, kind

19:56

of a

19:56

long story.

19:58

But I was

19:59

thinking there may be sort of a

20:02

structural thing going on

20:04

with in terms

20:04

of direct assistance, which we know there are

20:06

some studies that are showing that that

20:09

direct that providing people

20:11

direct cash assistance for their needs

20:13

is potentially more helpful

20:16

than than providing

20:18

like a specific in kind

20:20

service or program, which

20:23

obviously

20:23

there's there's a need for both. But I see

20:25

there's sort of like an underfunding

20:27

of things that are of tech forms of

20:29

assistance that are more flexible and obviously in

20:32

that vacuum. and

20:33

you've had all these, like, mutual aid online

20:36

groups that

20:36

are anonymous and difficult to verify

20:39

and things like that.

20:40

the

20:41

GoFundMe stuff that like,

20:44

the the GoFundMe stuff where it's

20:46

like the the the

20:48

or go fund me. There's the Venmo. There's there's the

20:50

Cash App, stuff like that.

20:52

And those are it's

20:54

very specific indictment,

20:58

I think, of, like, the unemployment

21:01

system, the welfare system, that

21:03

I I think a lot of the

21:05

people who are are are and

21:07

this is this is something III

21:10

complained about on Twitter the

21:12

other day about two I spent two

21:14

hundred dollars on college app locations

21:16

for my daughter this week so

21:18

that she could go to school. And it's

21:20

like, well, what if

21:23

I mean, what if I couldn't afford? And I

21:25

really couldn't. You know, I don't have a ton of money. But

21:27

what if I couldn't afford the two hundred dollars?

21:29

Like, what would happen? And somebody responded

21:31

and said, well, You can

21:34

assistance. I can't. Like,

21:36

I

21:36

am in there is a weird

21:39

spot

21:39

that most people

21:42

land in. that are like, wow, I

21:44

could really use some fucking help.

21:47

But I've there's

21:50

none sort of there for me. And I think a lot of people

21:52

fall into that spot of

21:54

like, you know, I talked about my mom a

21:56

couple weeks ago, how how

21:58

she's on food stamps, she gets eighteen

21:59

dollars a month. And

22:02

that isn't food. Like, you

22:05

keep buy any fucking food with

22:07

that. So she borrows forty dollars here, forty

22:09

dollars there off of off of me

22:11

to to get by. And I think that's

22:13

what a lot of the go fundraising

22:15

stuff like that. But the fundraising

22:17

things for individuals has

22:19

been too. It's like if you get

22:22

like, I don't I'm not like I'm not like trying

22:24

to get a fucking service. I

22:26

just need money. There isn't like

22:28

a service for me, for

22:31

my needs. I just

22:33

want money and

22:35

who has I I just always felt

22:37

like specifically with, like, food

22:39

stamps and stuff too. It's like,

22:42

just just fucking give them the money.

22:44

Like, you can just give them the

22:46

money, but there is this narrative going

22:48

on right now out

22:50

there that, Joe Biden gave us

22:52

money, which Trump gave us

22:54

money too, but that Joe Biden gave us money, and

22:56

that's why inflation happened.

22:58

So I think that's one of the reasons people are sort

23:00

of freaking out about

23:03

direct cash payments.

23:06

Yeah. What I also wanna bring up

23:08

is in terms of, like, philanthropy itself

23:11

is that is

23:12

that even if you did not wanna

23:15

claim a tax deduction on it to give people direct

23:17

cash is somewhat, I

23:19

guess, frowned

23:19

upon in the charitable

23:22

world to an extent, even though there

23:24

are ways to do it because there are

23:26

certain technicalities in the

23:28

tax code that I guess aren't

23:30

terribly clear

23:30

to a lot

23:31

of petitioners. And I started to do some research on this. Again,

23:33

I am by no means an expert. I'm coming out to

23:35

the show here because in the chance that maybe somebody

23:38

who is an expert can chime

23:40

in or someone with more experience in this. But it seems

23:43

like there's a lot more

23:45

paperwork involved like,

23:48

from a tax deductible 50133

23:50

to give somebody a

23:52

direct cash payment. You have to, like, document the

23:54

purpose and the need and

23:56

sometimes kind of, I guess, it sort of round upon

23:58

other than in terms of disaster relief. So

24:00

I looked at some of the guides that are out there from

24:02

mutual aid groups, a lot of them were

24:04

written during COVID. and they're written

24:07

around the disaster

24:09

relief payment exception with only

24:11

a little bit of commentary about

24:14

the other ways to do so. And then

24:16

you

24:16

do have, obviously, let's say because I was

24:19

thinking of this. Let's say, I was I was some kind

24:21

of multimillionaire billionaire

24:24

or I was advising one. And

24:26

they want to help all these people with

24:28

individualized needs providing

24:30

individually tailored and customized

24:33

assistance to their needs for things that

24:35

people of the kind of stuff that people would

24:37

post online for. And

24:39

if I want to do that even without taking

24:41

the tax deduction, There

24:43

is a vehicle for that.

24:44

You could form a and then to

24:47

minimize liability, you could form a

24:49

philanthropic LLC, but those

24:52

you have to make sure that the money that

24:54

you're putting in and giving out is

24:56

not classified as business income because those are

24:59

those are technically business vehicles.

25:01

What it looks like is there are ways to do it, but because there's

25:03

sort of an inconvenience from it from a

25:05

legal

25:05

perspective, it's kind of become the practice of,

25:08

okay, we're never gonna be able to give you a

25:10

cash. So we

25:11

do with that? We can give people food. We can give

25:14

people job training. We can give

25:16

people certain specific

25:19

items. but

25:20

we cannot just and we

25:22

can't just

25:22

change. Like, if somebody needs something that

25:24

we don't offer, we can't just change the programs,

25:27

the procedures because they're

25:28

set in stone and

25:31

codified

25:31

for legal and regulatory reasons

25:34

around the tax code. And

25:35

this is one of the weird areas

25:38

where politicians

25:39

who are friendly

25:41

to sort of the mutual aid model.

25:43

And why I think that electoral politics

25:45

can matter a little bit is

25:46

because you can even from a

25:49

presidential standpoint, you

25:51

I believe tax regulations around

25:53

these kinds of things can be at least clarified

25:56

through

25:56

executive order and

25:59

regulation to say,

25:59

well, yes, if your organization wants

26:02

to give a

26:03

hundred dollars to a homeless person

26:05

to help them to

26:07

help them with paying for an application

26:10

fee for a place

26:12

to live and they already

26:14

are in your or whatever and they they're ready

26:16

to go, then that's an

26:18

acceptable use. And making things very,

26:20

very clear, at least publicizing

26:22

the already existing exemption

26:24

to the

26:25

community to the

26:27

community of organizations that

26:30

have money or that give ramp.

26:32

I'm

26:32

not sure how much of a behavioral change

26:35

that would be that would

26:36

lead to, but it certainly

26:40

could help because you crisis of,

26:42

like, I've seen people

26:44

posting about their mutual aid groups kind of going

26:46

wrong where you'd because

26:48

every single all the money

26:50

is going into one person's Cash App or one person's

26:52

Venmo account. And I'm,

26:54

like, from my little experience with, like,

26:56

entrepreneurship and business, I'm, like,

26:58

this should really be going into a business account. It should be

27:00

going under some sort of entity so that

27:02

the money can't just randomly be stolen

27:04

by somebody. And I

27:07

I'm not really sure. I

27:09

we did run a thing early

27:12

on. We didn't run it. But let me be

27:14

clear. This did not was

27:16

not something we ran, but there was, like,

27:19

within our Facebook group, there was AAA

27:21

sort of mutual aid fund that

27:23

was like a pot that

27:26

people could get a few bucks out

27:28

of if if they needed it.

27:30

We didn't want to

27:33

we don't wanna be involved

27:35

with not involved, but you know what I

27:37

mean? Things can get nasty --

27:40

Yeah. -- very fast

27:42

when there's money. And --

27:45

Yep. -- but I just think that,

27:47

like, it is one of those things

27:49

that bums me out a little bit is

27:51

that, like, when money when

27:53

I needed money for ketamine treatments,

27:55

I have thirty five thousand

27:58

followers and they

27:59

can just sort of

28:03

I can make that money

28:05

pretty easy. And

28:08

what ends it. But, like, people

28:11

fuck. Where was I? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

28:13

I can make it pretty easy, but people with

28:15

less followers, you know. I I get

28:18

I get the same few people every week,

28:20

you know, saying, hey, can you retweet

28:22

my my thing? And it's just like,

28:24

we need, like, something for

28:27

You know what I mean?

28:29

Like, we need something a little bit

28:32

easier to kinda deal with, to

28:34

get people. But I get what you're saying about if

28:36

there was a way to have

28:38

a sort of I mean,

28:40

you know, I'm

28:42

very much

28:44

Like,

28:44

I I what's the word? I

28:47

waffle on stuff a lot. So

28:49

sometimes I'll be super inspired

28:52

and really excited to

28:54

to to take a thing on it and

28:56

sometimes I'm like the world's always gonna suck.

28:58

It's just and I'm in one of

29:00

those periods right now. The I'm in

29:02

one of those, like, the world just sucks. It's

29:04

never getting fixed. But,

29:06

like, I think

29:09

that, like, which is a negative

29:11

thing. Don't be that way. I

29:13

just feel that way right now, and I'm sure

29:15

it'll change at other times.

29:17

But like I

29:19

feel like that that the the only

29:22

thing I feel even, like, doing

29:24

is, like, I'll donate to the GoFund Me,

29:26

is I'll retweet when they get it, but,

29:28

like, that's only gonna work so long.

29:30

That's gonna go that all is

29:32

gonna go away. I

29:34

mean, I I have I have retweeted stuff and immediately

29:36

gotten d m's, like, this is a

29:39

scam. And ah

29:42

that that is

29:44

tough because, like, I don't know if it's a

29:46

fucking scam as a person that has a hard luck

29:48

story. I'll go ahead and retweet

29:50

it because retweeting costs

29:52

nothing. It's it's less than

29:54

no money. So

29:56

asset horizon podcast, thank

29:59

you. for saying, hi, I will I'll give a big

30:01

up to you too. Sorry.

30:03

Yeah.

30:05

No problem. So

30:07

we kind of have to bring together. The way

30:08

I see is it to bring together the

30:10

world of of more, like, conventional

30:13

philanthropy and systems with the

30:16

more individualized mutual

30:18

aid approaches

30:20

that can serve people's

30:23

individual needs. I think there is room

30:25

for progress because just to stay a few years

30:27

ago when I started to, like, get into reading,

30:29

like, stuff about

30:30

Anarchism and all and

30:33

and lack forms of libertarianism. A lot of

30:35

that stuff was

30:35

the theory and nobody was even talking about

30:38

nobody was even talking about like co

30:40

ops and there's a lot of growth

30:42

in mutual aid during COVID, so

30:44

that's where even that guy died. I think

30:46

it's been like the sustainable economy's law

30:48

center or something like that.

30:50

exists. But now

30:52

you even have mainstream

30:53

stream of

30:55

social entrepreneurship conferences

30:58

they're talking about. they're talking about co

31:00

ops as being a viable model,

31:02

say, in twenty twenty two and back in twenty

31:04

seventeen, twenty eighteen, while still in the thick of it

31:06

with conservative, reading

31:09

about these things, it just seemed like it was

31:11

all just theory. So I think there is there

31:13

is hope to try to do enablement

31:16

and technical assistance

31:18

to these kinds of things going on

31:20

in communities and

31:22

and sort of bring the the

31:24

and sort of bring the two worlds

31:26

together? Because obviously, you don't want somebody who's

31:29

constantly, recurringly asking

31:31

for asking for money

31:33

online or having to constantly receive

31:35

assistance. You don't and that points to major

31:37

systemic problem, and then that's where -- Mhmm.

31:39

-- that's where legislative advocacy,

31:42

of course, comes into play. And

31:44

if you identify a pattern in those,

31:46

But I think there's sort of a

31:48

need to break down silos there.

31:51

Yeah.

31:51

Well, Grayson tell people where to find your

31:54

stuff. Grayson, you're a

31:56

sweetie. Yeah. Thank you.

31:57

So, yes, I have the

31:59

fixer phone podcast. I haven't done an

32:02

episode in, like, a month. I probably need to post signing

32:04

you. So it's at FIXERPUNK

32:08

dot com.

32:09

You can also find in all the major

32:11

platforms. My TikTok is very

32:13

frequently updated with all kinds of content in

32:15

this area as well as personal and social

32:18

change. Overall, that's

32:20

also the same name fixer punk, FIXERPUNK

32:24

Twitter is Grace The Nation, GRUYS0NNATI0N

32:28

Thank you so much, Brian, and I really appreciate

32:30

it. Thanks, Grace. I'm having the opportunity to speak

32:32

to you. Yeah.

32:33

Have a good night. You're welcome.

32:35

Oh,

32:35

Grayson called in

32:38

and talked about Mewtwo. We're

32:40

late. Yeah. Yeah.

32:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I You

32:45

know, I'd love to build

32:46

a place like

32:48

that, where where we can help

32:51

people, but Sometimes, I'll just get

32:53

sometimes, I'll just get so

32:55

freaking sad. Let me

32:57

answer this next call.

32:59

Oh,

32:59

well, hello there. Who am I

33:02

talking to tonight?

33:04

Hi.

33:04

This is Rory in Chicago.

33:06

Rory in

33:07

Chicago. How are you doing tonight?

33:10

I'm doing great.

33:12

So I actually wanted to call in

33:14

about wrestling if that's okay.

33:17

Yes. Obvious.

33:20

Always. I would love to

33:22

talk about wrestling.

33:24

Wonderful.

33:25

So basically,

33:27

I am a woman nearing

33:29

thirty who this year just

33:31

got into rest lane, which I never

33:34

watched as a child or

33:35

anything. I was like a theater kid.

33:38

And I have been

33:40

realizing as

33:40

this year has gone on and I basically likely

33:42

pick, like, the craziest year possible. We'll just start

33:45

watching wrestling. I mostly

33:47

follow AEW, but, like, with

33:49

Vince McMahon finally being ousted this summer

33:51

and then brawl out. It's just

33:54

it's been quite

33:54

a year. this

33:57

documentary about Vince.

34:00

There's a documentary

34:02

about Vince. I don't even know if it it

34:04

maybe did come out. That's you

34:06

know, that's something that Vince thing

34:09

is is something that was,

34:11

like, really mind blowing to me.

34:13

It it was, like, you

34:15

know, I thought we lived in a world where a

34:17

guy like that would never and

34:19

you know what? He didn't get punished.

34:21

That sort bugs me too. is

34:23

we're we're looking at this world like, oh, I got

34:26

punished. He lost his company. It's like he's still a

34:28

billionaire and he should probably

34:30

go to jail. I mean, for

34:32

several fucking things that he did,

34:34

but this specifically seems

34:36

like he could go to jail.

34:40

And, yeah, it is

34:42

a wild year. Things

34:44

things have changed tremendously over

34:47

they just changed so far. Think things

34:50

happen very fast. And

34:52

this year has been pretty

34:55

fucking wide. All I follow right now is AWI don't have,

34:57

like, a I haven't

34:59

watched WWE in a

35:01

long time that I

35:04

like the Indy stuff, but what drew you to it a

35:07

theater kit?

35:08

I'm curious

35:09

about that. Yeah.

35:12

So

35:12

I, like,

35:14

really

35:14

love musicals especially as a kid,

35:17

and I, like, did it

35:18

very seriously all through school. And, like, I went to college for theater. I was like,

35:20

I'm gonna be an

35:21

after, and then and I, you

35:23

know, came from like

35:26

an upper middle class family where I didn't have to work until graduated college. And so

35:29

then I did, and I got into the real world.

35:31

And I was like, oh, work

35:34

sucks. including being

35:36

a working actor. And the reality of

35:38

that is, like, you have to do

35:40

two full time jobs if you wanna do

35:42

that. as someone who isn't

35:44

like a trust fund kid. And

35:45

so I pretty quickly, like, in the

35:48

years

35:49

after college quit, acting and also,

35:51

like, I got radicalized. And

35:54

so, like, those first few years after college

35:55

was me kind

35:56

of realizing, like,

35:59

how

35:59

the world

35:59

works and going from, like,

36:02

liberal to leftist. And

36:04

so the

36:04

thing about musical theater

36:07

is it's so

36:07

expensive to make that it ends up

36:10

just being this really bourgeois art

36:12

form

36:13

where, like, you have to

36:15

it's like a movie. You have to have millions to do it for the most part. Like, there are

36:18

still, like, little indie shows

36:20

that make it,

36:20

but they're rare. And so

36:24

as years have gone on, I've been more disillusioned and also, like,

36:26

it's one of those things where

36:28

I like, I just kinda talked out where I was, like,

36:30

to keep being really interested in this. It's,

36:32

like, the only stuff that's coming

36:34

out anymore is, like, Disney

36:36

movies and

36:36

musical or, like, eighties and

36:39

movies

36:39

and musical. So

36:41

it's either, like So

36:43

it's

36:43

frozen or, like, pretty woman

36:45

than music calls. So, like, I I was

36:47

done with that and I started

36:49

seeing, like, gifts online of

36:50

wrestling. And I honestly hearing you

36:52

mention it on the podcast a little bit, like, one

36:54

of the first things that clicked for me is when

36:56

you said that it was improvised, because

36:59

what little I had seen of it, I was

37:01

like, this fight choreography is messy, like, just

37:03

because I, like, studied that in school. But

37:05

then

37:05

I was like, oh, they're improvising

37:07

in the moment. And also, I was just,

37:09

like, bored and lonely, and

37:10

I, like, messaged someone I followed. And

37:12

I was, like, how are I getting to wrestling? And they're, like,

37:14

oh, like, my friend's watching this movie on

37:18

Discord. and they happen to watch AEW just got

37:22

hooked. Yeah. I I am

37:23

curious though,

37:26

like, So

37:26

I'm I'm gonna ask about the musical theater stuff because I've never I've

37:29

I I have never been into it.

37:31

Like, also feel

37:34

like like, a couple of years ago,

37:36

several years ago, it wasn't a

37:38

couple years ago. And and and I've been in New

37:40

York, but I've never been to Broadway. But

37:44

or I've been on Broadway, obviously. I've never seen

37:46

a show, though. There was

37:48

a thing. The book of Mormon, I

37:51

think, came through -- Yeah. years

37:53

and years ago. And I was like, I'm gonna go I'm gonna

37:56

go see that

37:58

because I'd heard people talk about it.

37:59

And, you know, This

38:02

was a different Brian that was into,

38:04

like, South Park's stuff and shit.

38:06

And I looked at the

38:08

tickets and they were so fucking

38:10

expensive. I just couldn't leave it.

38:13

Then I then I, you know, started making

38:15

a little bit more money and and

38:17

the Green Day one. came

38:19

through

38:19

Columbus. Oh, super

38:22

expensive. And I'm like,

38:23

how do people get into this?

38:25

Like, how do people

38:27

who don't

38:28

have

38:30

loving parents

38:30

or money to because,

38:32

like, I mean, I you know, if my

38:35

daughter was in a musical theater, I

38:37

would

38:37

have actually done it. You know

38:39

what? Like, I would have taken her

38:41

to shows. For sure. Yeah. Like, it wouldn't have been it

38:44

because I care that

38:46

she see the things she want. My parents on

38:48

the other hand did not give a shit

38:50

or have the money for it.

38:52

So it seems like it is like

38:54

sort of almost like -- Yep. -- mirrors

38:56

movies too in a way

38:58

and that, like, they only

39:00

make certain

39:03

They only make certain, like,

39:06

things, and it's all, like,

39:08

just rehashing

39:10

IP in that world.

39:12

No. Is this all we have

39:14

in this whole world?

39:16

Yeah.

39:16

Exactly. So, like, tickets are

39:19

gonna run you like two hundred dollars minimum.

39:21

And so if you can't afford that and also if

39:23

you don't like live in a major city where

39:25

the tour comes through or you can never afford to

39:27

go to New York, you're only getting it through, one,

39:29

the cast recordings, like, the

39:32

soundtracks, and just kind of, like, piecing

39:34

together stuff. And true. There's like underground

39:36

world of bootlegs because a

39:38

big problem with Broadway is that they

39:41

could professionally film all of them

39:43

and release them. Like, Hamilton did that and

39:45

put it on Disney plus and so a bunch of people have been

39:47

able to see that one. But most

39:49

shows don't

39:50

do and

39:53

it's

39:53

like really illegal. And so there's this

39:55

whole underground, like, sharing economy of

39:58

people who, like, film stuff on

39:59

their phone. and then they put it people it

40:01

each They, like, trade it. It's this whole

40:04

thing. But it's

40:06

still,

40:06

why it's still like,

40:08

phone

40:08

video. And so it's not that good. And you kinda have

40:10

to

40:10

be hardcore to wanna watch that because it's,

40:13

like, not gonna be that good

40:16

quality. But

40:16

that's exactly the problem. And I think that's one of the things that really interested

40:18

me in wrestling was that it felt

40:21

like

40:21

this, like, performance

40:23

performing art of

40:25

the people. And, like, I'm

40:27

going to AEW right before

40:29

Thanksgiving and, like, I

40:32

mean, the fees are expensive, but

40:33

still, like, I was able to get, like,

40:35

for less than fifty bucks a ticket,

40:36

like, with fees and everything. And,

40:40

like, And you're gonna Maybe different than two hundred dollars.

40:42

Yeah. I I was living in

40:43

LA, and so I went in June,

40:45

and I

40:46

saw

40:47

MJP do his, like,

40:49

promo

40:49

warehousing. called -- Yeah. -- Tony

40:52

Connor fucking Market, which is

40:54

wild. I'll tell you that,

40:55

like, I think that's one of

40:57

the other things I I

40:59

sort of love about it is,

41:02

like, there isn't

41:04

you don't

41:04

don't you know, I

41:05

don't hear a lot

41:08

of other sort of I don't hear of a

41:10

lot of other art forms

41:12

where we don't

41:14

even know don't even know at

41:16

all. What's what's real? What's

41:18

fake? What is

41:20

scripted? It's a very, very,

41:23

very, I think, it's a it's

41:26

a strange world that nothing

41:28

else can exist in. Like, there

41:30

isn't ever going

41:32

to be there isn't ever gonna be something like this. That that

41:34

that like we have

41:36

all the facts a lot

41:38

of times. most

41:40

of them. And even if we have all the facts and

41:42

we know this thing is true, we know this happen,

41:44

we still have to have in our

41:48

mind a a seed of doubt. Like, did they like, a

41:50

perfect thing when when MJF

41:52

called Tony caught a fucking mark.

41:55

I mean, as far as I can tell now,

41:57

that was like a scripted

41:59

thing. That

42:00

was supposed to happen.

42:02

As far as I can tell, now.

42:04

But at the time, it felt like, well, why would

42:06

he say that on TV? But then

42:08

also at the time, they edited

42:10

it off of TV. So kinda

42:13

like, maybe they knew it was

42:16

coming. You know, I know they run a

42:18

delay, but it's

42:20

just like, I don't know if

42:22

there's something about and and every form of entertainment could stand

42:25

to learn about to

42:28

learn, like, some sort

42:30

of of mat like, there

42:32

is some sort of magic in,

42:36

like, people only knowing you

42:38

as this person. I I

42:40

think, you know, did talk about,

42:43

like, Daniel Day Lewis. who

42:45

runs around on the set of his

42:47

movies as the character. Like, it

42:50

sounds fucking really annoying

42:52

to me. but it's probably very effective. You

42:54

know? I don't know. I

42:56

was someone who's

42:57

like trained an

43:00

actor in my experience, the people who do that just yeah. Like,

43:02

they're just annoying to work with because,

43:03

like, to me, the best actors can

43:06

drop in and out of it

43:08

and, like,

43:08

The only times I've dealt with

43:10

people who are, like, kinda method actors, they're,

43:12

like, broy, like,

43:13

men who are trying to, like, prove

43:16

their masculinity. Oh,

43:17

yeah. Like, I'm I'm a I'm

43:19

a actor, but I'm also tough.

43:22

Like, that kind of guy. Yeah.

43:23

It's like, I'm so serious. I

43:25

never

43:25

stopped doing this. And it's like, no one's

43:28

like grading you on that

43:30

metric. Like, it's it's

43:32

more interesting to like, be able put

43:34

it on and take it off.

43:36

Yeah.

43:36

But, oh, something I wanna

43:38

tell you is I totally fucked up. You

43:40

mentioned you were gonna go to

43:43

Gatlandberg and pigeon forge. And I was like, oh, let me

43:45

tell him about this. And then the next

43:47

time I listened to you were like, I'm back. And I was

43:49

like, oh, shit. But there's this company

43:51

called micro wrestling federation out of pigeonholed, and

43:54

it's all little

43:55

people wrestlers. and

43:57

it is so fun what I've

43:59

seen

43:59

online. I should I

44:01

I should have gone. They come

44:03

through town here sometimes.

44:05

And Yeah. I was gonna

44:06

say they tour, so you can still see

44:09

them. Yeah. I I

44:10

mean and the other thing about wrestling that

44:13

I think is you know, you were talking we were we were

44:15

talking about the prices of, like, going to musical

44:17

theater and stuff like that.

44:20

It's like, Yes. You can get into an less

44:22

than fifty dollars, but you

44:24

can get into an indie show for

44:26

less than twenty dollars. Wow. Like,

44:29

there are indie shows that you could go to. And

44:32

people like, oh, I wanna see the big

44:34

stars. It's like, the indie shows

44:36

are just

44:38

as fun. maybe more fun. Oh, yeah. A lot of

44:40

times. You know, somebody's talking yeah. A crust

44:42

monk in the chest. I remember when Jared

44:44

Leto was doing

44:46

weird stuff. to practice being the Joker. Yes. I do

44:48

remember that. He's an idiot, though. Didn't

44:50

he send somebody a rat

44:52

or something? Yeah.

44:54

Something like that. Yeah. It's just as, I think,

44:56

Ali, go over some of

44:57

the chat. Like, it's ever someone being a

45:00

method actor to

45:02

be nice. it's just like

45:03

an excuse to be a

45:06

dick. Yes. You're

45:07

right. You're right too. It's it's it's

45:10

I can act like fucking

45:12

They're always like like like

45:16

an action

45:18

star. Like, none of these

45:20

people are ever, like, a method

45:22

acting as a shy

45:24

person who is kind. They won't be

45:26

surprised. Yep.

45:29

So, yeah, you're totally

45:32

fucking. That is so

45:34

funny. And I you

45:36

know, It

45:37

is I wish I

45:39

I actually talking to you

45:41

though.

45:42

Currently,

45:43

I kinda wish

45:46

I kinda I kinda wish,

45:48

like, musical theater was as

45:50

available as wrestling. I I think

45:52

that's right.

45:54

that

45:55

Yeah. That's like the thing that people people say they're

45:57

like, if we professionally shot

45:59

every music, and then,

46:02

like, once it closes, because most of

46:04

them close after a few months because it's all,

46:06

you know, they don't make enough

46:08

money. But

46:08

by like more people

46:10

would get into it because something one

46:12

of my, like, holes that I'll die on

46:14

is that people say, I don't like musicals.

46:17

And I'm

46:17

like, okay. I get

46:19

it.

46:19

They can be really corny and

46:22

cringe. I own that. However, like,

46:24

did you

46:24

like the lion king? did

46:26

you like any of the Disney movies from the nineties? Because

46:29

those are musicals and,

46:31

like, they were very intentionally

46:32

written

46:33

by people who are,

46:36

like, musical theater writers and structured the way Broadway musicals

46:38

are. They're just animated.

46:40

And and I'm like,

46:41

I also think that there's

46:43

a musical for everyone like,

46:46

there's

46:47

actually a real

46:49

tangent real quick. There's this guy,

46:51

Michael Friedman, who unfortunately

46:54

passed away, but he wrote this, like,

46:56

weird sort of, emo folk pumped

46:57

musical about Andrew

46:58

Jackson called Bloody Bloody Andrew

47:00

Jackson. and that was briefly on

47:02

Broadway. I think Matt Christmann mentioned it

47:04

as like a musical he's seen. And

47:08

it just, like, really

47:10

cool and weird and, like, definitely Hamilton

47:12

would not exist without it because it was

47:14

just doing something really different. But that guy

47:16

also, he wrote a bunch of stuff

47:18

that didn't

47:19

get to be, like, produced before

47:21

he died. And so this theater

47:24

company, like, made cast recordings of everything he

47:26

did. And he was before he died,

47:28

he had written a Paris

47:30

commune musical. And, like,

47:32

when

47:32

there is

47:33

stuff out there, it's just, you know,

47:35

not being produced at a

47:38

high

47:38

level. because,

47:39

like, like, leftist

47:41

musical theater doesn't

47:43

sell. Well, it's interesting that what we have to

47:45

look for. Like, there's there's

47:47

pumped musicals and stuff. They're just kinda like

47:49

in the shadows. It's

47:51

actually

47:51

interesting because we're

47:53

talking about this sort of

47:55

thing that, like, is completely shut

47:58

off from a lot of

47:59

people. And, you know,

48:03

I'm sure Derek skew. So I'm

48:05

sure the reason that the musicals

48:07

these these Broadway shows, these

48:09

plays, I'm sure that they say

48:11

it's the cost.

48:14

But, you know, AEW and

48:16

WWE traveled the country and

48:19

put on put on

48:22

shows. you know what I mean

48:24

with enormous rosters, with with all the staging, and all

48:26

the lights, and all the stuff. I know

48:28

that most of it happens you

48:31

know, in in the ring or in the

48:34

arena. But

48:35

like, you know, they take

48:37

a bunch of people on the

48:39

road too. You

48:39

know? And -- Yeah. -- they're able to keep

48:42

your price

48:44

down. Yeah. Yeah. And

48:44

it it Yeah. That Like,

48:47

I think so.

48:49

Oh, it's where

48:50

you start to feel that they're keeping you out

48:52

intentionally, I guess. You know?

48:54

Yes.

48:54

Exactly. That's what I was gonna say is

48:56

that, like, part of, like, what I think makes musicals appealing

48:59

is that they are this, like,

49:01

exclusive thing that,

49:04

like, like, East Coast rich liberals

49:06

can be like, oh, like, if you

49:08

haven't seen Hamilton, you haven't

49:10

lived and shit like

49:12

that. But, like, I also

49:14

feel like when I tell my old friends, like, oh, I'm into

49:16

wrestling now. They laugh, but then they're like,

49:18

actually, that does make perfect

49:20

sense.

49:20

Because, like, when

49:23

I

49:23

explain it to my theater friends the way I put it, is that, like, I'm

49:25

like, musical nerds love to talk about how it,

49:27

like, evolved out

49:30

of Bonneville. which was this,

49:32

like, traveling the country and musical

49:34

act. But since getting into

49:36

wrestling, I actually really feel

49:38

like

49:38

they're both from the same origin and they

49:40

branched off But given how bourgeois musicals

49:42

have become

49:43

wrestling is the true inheritor

49:45

of the vlogger legacy, with

49:48

these performers who are, like, traveling the country, you

49:51

know,

49:51

like, selling their show

49:53

and,

49:53

you know, Carney is an insult. But I

49:55

also think that it

49:58

is, like, if

49:58

you strip away the connotation, it's really accurate to what they do. And I

50:00

also think, like, a reason people don't like

50:03

musicals and

50:03

the distribution cost

50:05

is that, like, it's gay. It's feminine. It's

50:07

really campy. Right. But I also think that,

50:09

like, wrestling is too, and it can it

50:11

benefits from leaning into that.

50:12

Sometimes, like, when I'm watching it,

50:16

I'm, like, you

50:16

guys just need to take, like, an acting

50:18

class or, like, a voice class and, like,

50:20

they'll be good. And I think, honestly, that's

50:22

part of why MJS is so

50:25

unique

50:25

and really, really good is

50:27

that, like, he

50:28

you know, there's sort of

50:29

the thing about how he was going on the rodeo

50:31

Donald showing he was five. And, like, I think he

50:34

was on his high school's,

50:36

like, acapella group or

50:38

something. Like, he clearly has that,

50:40

like, very

50:41

musical theater style training. Like, he

50:43

can sing really well, like, he

50:45

knows how to enunciate his

50:47

words, like,

50:48

and project his voice. And,

50:50

like, he clearly

50:51

has, like, on some level,

50:53

some acting, training, like and those

50:55

things help. And I

50:56

and or someone at Dalton Castle, I

50:58

feel like wrestling is that it's

51:00

best when people are, like,

51:01

really embracing how

51:03

campy it is. And, like, you know, there's a

51:06

place for

51:06

people like John Moxley and, like, the Black

51:08

Full Combat Club. Like, I think, because

51:11

it's about variety. and, like, contrasting

51:14

styles make a

51:15

fight really fun. But, like, when everyone

51:17

is

51:17

and this is

51:20

something I tired of with AEW. Like, especially as a woman, I'm like, oh

51:22

my god. Give us a

51:24

fucking break

51:24

for the women who are so short.

51:27

what if the word shirt shifted.

51:30

But if

51:31

everybody's, like, Black Book Combat Club, like, I'm

51:33

a serious guy who likes to fight.

51:35

Like, it gets so boring to me

51:37

so quickly when, like like, the fact that it's

51:39

around it's all about these feuds

51:41

between two men and, like,

51:44

my

51:44

high school theater teacher used to say, people only get this

51:46

close to each other's

51:47

faces when they're

51:48

about to fight or fuck. And like,

51:51

when you have, like, a really good feud, like, it's

51:54

homophobic and, like, that

51:56

to me, that's just, like, an undeniable truth of

51:58

it, and I just I I

51:59

love it. when

52:01

it leans into that. And, like, I

52:03

I know musicals could learn from wrestling, and so

52:05

it's I don't know. I just think it's

52:07

it's really

52:08

really interesting interplay interesting

52:10

interplay. That's

52:11

interesting. Yeah. Yeah. because III lean

52:13

more on the like,

52:16

so the

52:16

things I like I

52:19

like the Carney stuff. So I I

52:21

would never think of calling it

52:24

Carney as being like an

52:26

insult, but I

52:28

I really enjoy like I really enjoy

52:30

the guys that that go

52:32

out. Like, okay. So in

52:34

AW, there's not a lot of

52:36

these guys. there's maybe one

52:38

or two, but you see them

52:40

a lot more on the

52:42

indies. I like the guys who see how

52:44

much they can get out of a

52:46

little bit. Like, without

52:48

doing art athletics. You go in

52:50

there. I I mean, I always tell people that, like,

52:53

these are both very bad guys.

52:55

before I say this, but, like, if

52:57

you watch that WrestleMania match between

52:59

the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk

53:01

Hogan, they do three

53:03

moves. and the crowd is fucking losing

53:05

their minds. I also think another

53:07

thing that wrestling wrestlers

53:10

are have that other people

53:12

don't. It's like a lot of them

53:15

do come

53:16

out and

53:17

they're trying to get you to not

53:19

like them, which is totally

53:22

not anything that people do.

53:24

You know, and and anything

53:27

except probably theater and

53:29

wrestling. like, getting into the new world. Hey, God

53:31

of this world. It's so

53:34

unique. Yeah. Yeah.

53:34

And I think it

53:36

I think that's, like, an incredible

53:39

thing too. And so,

53:42

yeah, I'm I'm I I

53:44

think, like, obviously, like, I

53:47

think

53:48

that I

53:49

like that people like I

53:51

like that

53:52

people like the Camping stuff,

53:54

and I like I like like I

53:56

as long as they can work, wrestle.

53:59

As long

53:59

as it can wrestle, I'm very

54:01

happy. You know

54:02

what I mean? Like, with Orange

54:04

Cassidy. That's not, like, really thing

54:07

for me, but he's

54:09

really good. And he won me

54:11

over

54:11

because I was like, I don't wanna see

54:14

this bullshit. And

54:16

then, like, he ended up winning me over over, you

54:18

know, having matches. And, like,

54:21

I am I Like

54:23

I said, I fall on the other side of what

54:25

a lot of people well, not a lot

54:27

of people, but what a lot of

54:29

people around me end up liking. I I, you know,

54:31

I'm I mean, there are

54:33

very popular wrestlers that I really like, and I do

54:36

I like

54:38

Marx and But

54:39

again, I'm I'm into

54:41

the tough guy thing. But

54:43

that's because

54:45

all my life I

54:46

think there's something that you read into with this kind of stuff

54:48

too. Like, all my life, all I wanted to

54:50

do is be a tough guy.

54:53

Like,

54:53

that was, like, my

54:55

dream because I was a hundred

54:58

fucking ten pounds when I

55:00

graduated high school, I was really

55:02

thin. I was going to all these like

55:04

heavy metal concerts and getting

55:06

knocked around by guys in the mosh pit

55:08

and stuff like that. And it was just like,

55:10

man, I'd really like to be a tough

55:12

guy. So I think when I watch wrestling,

55:14

I'm like, I like the tough guys, you

55:16

know, because it's what I want

55:18

to do. But I can also

55:20

see but I

55:22

can also see that, like,

55:25

there are a lot of people who are like, oh,

55:27

I like I like Orange Cassie because he

55:29

does something interesting. It's different.

55:31

It's artistic. It's it's It's

55:33

and I like the artistic stuff. And I

55:35

like that too. Like, I I think

55:37

it's great that people work their stuff out. And,

55:39

you know, you'd be crazy if you didn't think

55:42

that even, like, John Moxley

55:45

isn't figuring himself

55:47

out. You know what I mean? Like, he

55:49

That was Eric. he's a weird dude, but I don't think

55:51

he's like that. We, you

55:54

know, like, go around to

55:55

ask for people to meet

55:57

them all later.

55:59

Yeah. And I think

56:00

what makes him good is that, like, he's doing the

56:02

tough diving, but, like, he still understands that

56:04

it's still, like, a heightened elevated performance

56:07

and that, like, Yeah. Like, it is still for I don't know, better

56:09

word, I keep saying it, but it's camp in a way. Like, it

56:11

-- Mhmm. -- like, everyone

56:13

is always performing

56:16

their gender. Right? Like, that's one

56:18

of the ways of, like, looking at life. And, like, in and,

56:20

like, that includes wrestling. And so even

56:22

the tough guys, like, they're performing that.

56:25

ILENITY, and I think John Boxley is one of the people who's, like,

56:28

really

56:28

good at it. Like,

56:30

it's it's grounded, and it's real,

56:32

and it's like a tough guy who's

56:34

like,

56:34

it's a hard one tussiness. Yeah. Being -- Right.

56:37

-- been through a parking lot. through

56:39

a baker. Like, he's Yeah.

56:41

Like, he

56:41

he made it through to get there. And

56:44

so, like, it feels

56:46

real. Yeah. Yeah. A guy

56:47

that's been through a bunch of

56:49

shit. Well, I'm glad that that we got

56:51

you on the old wrestling side. You're watching the right company,

56:53

the one I

56:56

like. And III

56:59

really appreciate you calling. Callback anytime. Yeah.

57:02

Real quick, can I get my plug,

57:03

which is that

57:06

the since I'm

57:07

newly back in Chicago, I'm looking for, like,

57:10

leftist wrestling trends because

57:12

I think that's a specific niche of, like, people

57:14

who, like,

57:15

wrestling, but also, like, believe the world can

57:17

be better or even, hey, even wrestling leftist

57:18

musical theater lovers. So if

57:20

that's you hit me up on Instagram, I

57:22

only use it to message, but it

57:25

Lorivex, R0RYBEX

57:28

and

57:28

we can go see Freelance

57:30

and AAW together.

57:33

Yeah.

57:33

I know I know some people

57:36

there. I'll try to think

57:37

of somebody, but to

57:40

put you in contact with. and thank you

57:42

for beg you for calling

57:44

calling. Well, thanks so much

57:45

for taking my call.

57:47

yeah Yeah. Wrestling

57:48

this show is like

57:50

for me. Right? Wrestling, man

57:52

cow. I mean, what's going

57:55

on here?

57:55

Mutual aid.

57:57

Hey, hey, who am

57:59

I talking

57:59

to to deny tonight?

58:03

It's bear.

58:05

Bear were

58:06

worried about you.

58:08

Your eye was

58:09

dead. I know.

58:12

I I

58:13

did that for a couple weeks. I was I was busy getting

58:15

some of my stuff together. Oh,

58:17

moving

58:18

oh

58:19

out?

58:21

Not quite.

58:22

I am working on

58:24

that too, though. That's a dick thing

58:26

I just did. It's a thing where somebody's

58:28

like, I was getting some some of my

58:31

stuff together, and then you say something that, like, like, oh, you're

58:33

moving out? No. Not

58:36

that. Sorry, bear. I mean,

58:37

I show you when

58:39

you I am. I'm working on moving out. I'm getting

58:41

real close. I'm gonna go and get a at

58:43

an apartment twice

58:46

tomorrow. Okay.

58:46

I got it not far. Not far

58:48

for the three. I gotta ask

58:51

you though. Nice apartment.

58:52

Are you going nice? Because,

58:54

bear, we know you.

58:56

We talk god. No. Nice

58:59

apartment. No. Nice apartment. No.

59:01

I I something something that

59:03

I don't know if I've mentioned

59:06

before. I grew up exclusively in a Tweaker Pad,

59:08

and my friends all lived in Tweaker

59:10

Pad. So the only place to

59:12

really go is up from where I

59:16

came from. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

59:17

I I know that, like, you're

59:19

willing to do

59:22

ah

59:23

really

59:24

rough jobs. So

59:26

I do know that. And

59:28

I just think it is funny

59:31

for me to say Are

59:34

you

59:35

moving into a nice are you even

59:38

moving into, like, okay,

59:40

new apartment new

59:42

apartment? Are you moving into

59:44

the city? I'm moving into

59:46

I I am moving

59:48

into

59:48

a more of a city,

59:51

but it's not really a city either.

59:54

Right? It's it's

59:56

a town. I will say that. There's

59:58

stuff where I'm

59:59

moving to. Nice. I'm

1:00:01

proud of you, Bear. I know how

1:00:03

it is. Yeah. I I

1:00:06

so the funny thing about me, I'll

1:00:08

tell you.

1:00:10

is that, hi, Jeremy from the block.

1:00:12

It's their first time catching Sunday's

1:00:14

live and and say hi. But

1:00:17

ah but I'm

1:00:20

trying to say hi to the people because it's gonna become a

1:00:22

thing in a couple weeks. So I'm trying

1:00:24

to be like, hey, people

1:00:27

in the chat? Yes. Yes.

1:00:30

Yes. because we're gonna we're gonna start we're

1:00:32

gonna start having some we're gonna

1:00:34

start goofing around. on the

1:00:36

old Collins show in a couple

1:00:38

weeks. I'm

1:00:38

a

1:00:39

doubt. I'm a hundred

1:00:41

percent difference. I

1:00:42

didn't move out right

1:00:45

away. Like, I I can't

1:00:47

remember who it

1:00:50

was. Okay. So my parents kicked

1:00:52

me out when I was nineteen years old. Hi,

1:00:55

coop, tube, DV. My

1:00:58

parents kicked me out when I was nineteen years

1:01:00

old because I wouldn't get a job because I

1:01:02

didn't have a car, and it was the

1:01:04

whole thing. was really

1:01:06

unfair. I still mad at them

1:01:08

about it. You heard me say mean things about them

1:01:10

on the

1:01:11

show. Still

1:01:12

still sort of mad at them, but they

1:01:14

kicked me out And

1:01:16

I moved in with a

1:01:18

friend and his wife, which is

1:01:21

used. You know?

1:01:22

Yeah. a

1:01:25

nineteen year old friend with his wife and kid is what

1:01:27

I moved into. So

1:01:32

So I moved in with them and I

1:01:34

lived with them for a little bit and then

1:01:37

they got divorced. the So

1:01:40

I moved in with the husband type

1:01:42

in a divorce. He

1:01:44

he won me in a divorce,

1:01:46

He still listens to the show, Isaac. He

1:01:48

he won me in the divorce. I moved in

1:01:51

with him and I was the

1:01:54

most deadbeat fucking roommate

1:01:56

anybody's ever had. And

1:01:58

then I moved into

1:01:59

back into my parents'

1:02:02

house.

1:02:03

but like But,

1:02:04

like, Me and

1:02:05

my wife had back our house. We were

1:02:07

so fucking

1:02:09

bum

1:02:11

bomb You

1:02:12

know what I mean? Hi, Texas street fighter.

1:02:14

We were so fucking bummed that

1:02:16

we had to move back in. And what ended up

1:02:20

happening was My wife moved in with her family. I moved back in with my

1:02:22

family, and then she snuck me in her house

1:02:24

every night, and I just

1:02:26

slept there. and

1:02:28

a funny story about that.

1:02:30

What

1:02:31

was that? III can

1:02:33

give you a very funny

1:02:35

story about that. is she would sneak me

1:02:38

in. Her parents and all of them

1:02:39

would go to work, and

1:02:41

then

1:02:42

I would leave. I would have

1:02:44

the whole day to kind of wander around the house before I went

1:02:47

to had somebody pick me up for work or something

1:02:49

like that, but I had nobody

1:02:52

was there. So everything was cool. Right. One

1:02:54

day. One day, her

1:02:56

mom is, like,

1:02:59

calls in sick. And

1:03:03

I'm there. And I can't get

1:03:05

out of a fucking house because her

1:03:07

mom is there. and I had

1:03:09

to sit in my fucking

1:03:12

wife's bedroom. All

1:03:13

day, I had to

1:03:15

fucking pee too. like

1:03:16

crazy. No cell phone. Just fucking sitting

1:03:19

and waiting for her to

1:03:21

get home. It was like

1:03:23

being in jail. Actually, it was it was

1:03:26

really shitty. So

1:03:28

don't make sense. Don't

1:03:29

know you

1:03:31

gotta move out and

1:03:32

then hope that you don't have to come back in come back. That's

1:03:34

the thing. That's what you

1:03:37

wanna do. Whoa.

1:03:39

III won't

1:03:42

bet. It's my thing.

1:03:44

I've been homeless before,

1:03:46

like, without my parents. And

1:03:48

I find that preferable, honestly. So I

1:03:51

mean, what the problem is getting out

1:03:53

of there, out of there. Are

1:03:56

your parents a total pain in a ass bear?

1:03:58

Oh, yeah.

1:04:00

No, dude. They're

1:04:01

they're awful. I mean,

1:04:04

I don't Yeah. It it's to the point like, I they're not

1:04:07

really, like, my parents anymore. It's not how I

1:04:09

view it. They're kinda just, like, really,

1:04:11

really shady roommate. that

1:04:14

are, like, paying my rent for me? That's how I to view

1:04:17

it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:18

I mean, my parents hated

1:04:22

me I actually had this thing. I I went to

1:04:24

Wood -- Oz Fest. -- the first year, I

1:04:26

went a couple times and the one the one in

1:04:28

Columbus, there was a riot. You know,

1:04:31

look it up. Ozpress ninety seven, riot

1:04:33

Columbus. We knocked down the fence. We flipped a

1:04:36

couple cars. And I

1:04:38

had a piece of the fence, and I carved

1:04:42

in Oz fast ninety seven and then some of the names of the

1:04:44

bands. My fucking parents are like, I thought

1:04:46

that was trash and I threw it away and I'm like, I

1:04:48

hate you.

1:04:50

I fucking hate you so much. That that

1:04:53

fucking

1:04:53

blow. It wasn't

1:04:56

worth anything. I mean, and it wasn't

1:04:59

It wasn't,

1:04:59

like, worth anything and it wasn't

1:05:02

ever going to be worth anything, but

1:05:04

I probably would have that mounted on

1:05:06

my wall now. if I if they

1:05:08

didn't throw it away.

1:05:10

The one

1:05:11

thing that I've never hid from my

1:05:13

parents and I just made them get over,

1:05:15

since I've been, like, somewhat of

1:05:17

an adult in the amount of stolen property I

1:05:19

have. I mean people's political signs,

1:05:22

stop signs, tone,

1:05:24

traffic barreled,

1:05:26

just all kinds of shit. I just I I don't know why I can't

1:05:28

resist taking it, and I never wanna throw

1:05:30

it out once I have it.

1:05:33

like, the the the only one that they ever

1:05:35

even bother making a comment on was my Trump

1:05:37

sign that I stole. And they're like, you

1:05:39

fucking hate this guy, throw this shit out,

1:05:41

and I was like, No. I like that. I stole it.

1:05:43

Like, I don't I want it in

1:05:45

here now. I was so

1:05:47

that's very

1:05:49

funny because, like, I was

1:05:52

walking today as I do

1:05:54

every day, and I walked by AJD

1:05:56

vant sign. And I felt like

1:05:59

God

1:05:59

damn

1:05:59

it. I really feel like I

1:06:02

should steal this steal one of

1:06:04

these. And sometimes I do

1:06:06

stop

1:06:08

and, like, public places. I I going

1:06:10

into somebody's yard at forty three years

1:06:12

old and stealing their yard sign seems

1:06:16

like I don't know. Seems like trouble really is what I'm saying. Like, I get

1:06:18

to actually get in real trouble or

1:06:21

shot or something. but I keep seeing

1:06:23

all these j d vans. Oh, no. I'd still be doing it

1:06:26

forty three. I can't

1:06:27

see myself ever stopping

1:06:29

it.

1:06:29

Yeah. I see the j d vans signs

1:06:32

everywhere and hate them. It just that that guy makes me really

1:06:34

mad. He's one of those guys that's running

1:06:36

for office that, like, I don't pay

1:06:38

attention to a lot of the races and stuff

1:06:40

like that. You know,

1:06:42

I got people I wanna win and I got people that

1:06:44

would I think would be better if they won.

1:06:46

But in all honesty, most

1:06:48

of the time, don't know who anybody is. But

1:06:50

J. D. Vance is

1:06:52

so kind of famous

1:06:54

that I

1:06:55

wanna

1:06:56

want to steal steal his

1:06:58

signs. And Okay.

1:07:00

I don't know. Maybe I will. Maybe

1:07:02

I will steal some j d

1:07:05

band signs. You gotta you

1:07:07

gotta do it. But I gotta ask you Brian to

1:07:09

bat Are you actually registered to

1:07:11

vote? Are you

1:07:13

gonna go vote?

1:07:15

Am I

1:07:17

gonna vote? Shit. I'm

1:07:19

trying to

1:07:20

I'm trying to thank

1:07:23

here. let give me one second here. Champ

1:07:26

Champagne. That's the hardest

1:07:28

name. Said, what's

1:07:28

up, Brian? My name's Chris. a

1:07:31

plumber at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. I'm in the middle of

1:07:33

a grievance with the management for retaliation for

1:07:35

standing up for my

1:07:37

union contract. Right? Callers and

1:07:39

people you've had on the show sharing their

1:07:42

experiences with union fights help give me

1:07:44

the courage to stand up to

1:07:46

these motherfuckers. Hey, thank you. I appreciate it. And also

1:07:48

for the calls, you

1:07:50

know.

1:07:51

you know Appreciate

1:07:51

that. But

1:07:53

right god,

1:07:55

that's so it it is like one of things of

1:07:58

like. I should

1:07:59

be stealing art.

1:08:00

I mean, I stealing everything else.

1:08:04

update.

1:08:04

Yeah. You know, when I go to the grocery store and always

1:08:07

steal them. Yeah. I don't know

1:08:09

why I

1:08:09

don't take can't There

1:08:11

aren't any in actually my neighborhood

1:08:14

either. And I feel like my

1:08:15

neighborhood is would be safer to do it

1:08:17

in. There is one down the street

1:08:19

that says sick of sick

1:08:21

of the shit, vote Republican. That one I should steal. There is there

1:08:24

is a billboard in our

1:08:26

town that they just

1:08:27

had to take down

1:08:30

because a bunch of people kept, like, throwing shit at it.

1:08:32

And from my understanding, someone tried to light it on

1:08:34

fire and nearly killed themselves. So now it's,

1:08:37

like, getting taken down. But they're the billboard

1:08:39

in our town. It just says, are you tired of it Republican? And

1:08:44

it's just because there there's,

1:08:46

like, a bunch of Democrat ones that are, like, protect democracy, protect reproductive rights. And now we

1:08:48

should are you sick of it,

1:08:50

you know, just no no fucking platform?

1:08:55

The Democrat

1:08:55

ones are super funny too because it's

1:08:58

like protect democracy. And then

1:09:00

you look online and

1:09:02

you'll see like conservative saying,

1:09:04

Nancy Pelosi said not to worry

1:09:06

about gas prices, to worry about protecting democracy. And you know what?

1:09:09

I'm gonna tell you

1:09:11

the

1:09:11

truth. That is

1:09:13

fucking effective. You know what I mean? Because I look at it

1:09:15

and I'm like, if Nancy Pelosi and them are

1:09:18

really fucking saying, like,

1:09:22

complaining about gas

1:09:25

prices is somehow problematic

1:09:27

and that, like,

1:09:30

you have to vote for like this

1:09:32

and that. It's like,

1:09:33

man, I mean, we

1:09:35

gotta be worried about gas

1:09:37

prices. I I just gas

1:09:38

prices drive me are I don't even I'm just paying at the pump there.

1:09:40

It's just getting

1:09:41

prices aren't even that bad

1:09:44

around here. I

1:09:47

can't

1:09:47

imagine you guys are going through. I'm not even paying three dollars

1:09:49

a gallon. Oh,

1:09:51

yeah. It's

1:09:51

three fifty a gallon.

1:09:54

But outside of the city,

1:09:56

No. Chris Cook said, I see Joe in the hoe

1:09:58

fucking everywhere. Yeah. I see a lot of Joe in

1:09:59

the hoe

1:10:01

shirts. When I

1:10:03

was at Gatlinburg, every three

1:10:05

people had a Joe in the hole. So crazy that

1:10:07

people wear those. In public,

1:10:10

they would never they

1:10:13

Aren't they the same people that complain

1:10:15

because rap is about bitches and hoes, and then just walk around with show when y'all. Calling

1:10:18

the vice president on a

1:10:20

riot.

1:10:22

I got it. Okay. You

1:10:24

know the anvil shirt that you guys released that

1:10:26

says steal more shit on it? Yeah.

1:10:29

I

1:10:31

wore that. III preordered it. I've

1:10:34

been wearing a gray shirt, by the

1:10:36

way. I

1:10:38

wore it into a gun store because I was gonna buy

1:10:40

a gun, and they told

1:10:42

me to leave, like, immediately. I

1:10:45

didn't even think about it, but

1:10:47

they were, like, get the fuck out of

1:10:49

my store. Yeah. You don't want a hand a guy

1:10:50

like a gun. Like, can I look at that

1:10:53

gun with a shirt that

1:10:55

says steal more shit? If

1:10:57

I make I'm a little bit nervous.

1:10:59

Yeah. That's kinda My brain That's it. I'm wearing my IWW

1:11:01

hoodie and I sure this

1:11:03

is still more shit. And

1:11:07

I'm like, can you hand me some guns, please? That's a that's a

1:11:09

great idea. Well, I gotta NASA.

1:11:11

I don't believe No.

1:11:14

NASA has that's what's there. The asset

1:11:15

horizon podcast says the beanie baby's kiosk is

1:11:17

pure let's go brand in gear now.

1:11:20

Now that

1:11:22

is what I notice too. Like,

1:11:25

every kiosk that exists

1:11:27

is extremely let's go branded.

1:11:29

And you know what? The reason they're

1:11:31

gonna lose is because of gas prices. I I listen. You

1:11:34

can come in here and you can

1:11:36

say, they can't

1:11:38

do anything about gas prices. I

1:11:40

don't fucking matter to people. Gas prices

1:11:42

is what it like, it the the

1:11:47

the stuff that the stuff that, like, happens, the

1:11:49

the the the way that they

1:11:51

explain, like, well, they can't do

1:11:53

anything about it. And it's like,

1:11:56

yeah. But I mean, we

1:11:58

pretty much think they can. Like, I I still think it's like, come on, they can fast gas prices. How

1:11:59

fucking hard

1:12:03

could it be?

1:12:05

We got

1:12:06

a hard pull.

1:12:09

What was that?

1:12:12

What? Uh-huh. Go ahead.

1:12:14

I'm sorry. I was gonna say seen seen, hard number

1:12:19

of people go. about, you

1:12:21

know, there's been a lot more people who are willing to vote now and who are

1:12:23

voting Democrat. So I think we'll

1:12:26

see a lot of Democrats actually

1:12:28

winning But

1:12:31

on the other hand, I kind of

1:12:33

don't want them to because

1:12:35

as far as

1:12:38

actual progress, getting made and, like, mutual aid getting

1:12:40

set up and social programs and,

1:12:42

like, real change and people reading

1:12:45

actual theory and stuff like that.

1:12:47

we've seen such a vast increase in that in the past two

1:12:49

years compared to, like, the past

1:12:51

fifty, you know? Yeah.

1:12:55

I mean, I I've always said this,

1:12:57

and I'm not like an accelerationist

1:12:59

or anything, but, like, people really

1:13:01

are more willing to take

1:13:03

to the street when their party isn't

1:13:05

in power. Is is it's always Yeah. I mean, you don't

1:13:08

see

1:13:11

the right you don't I mean,

1:13:12

you're not see because Joe Biden's president. And

1:13:14

this happened in twenty eleven too, you know. Like,

1:13:17

we started street fight

1:13:19

in twenty eleven.

1:13:21

And I kinda talked about how I

1:13:24

was, like, really, really, really let down by Obama and all these

1:13:26

there were there was this crew of, like, ribs on

1:13:31

Twitter that were just mostly assholes

1:13:33

that wanted to

1:13:34

be like abusive to to

1:13:36

people. So they would go on there

1:13:38

and yell at you for not wanting

1:13:41

to vote for Obama

1:13:43

and and I don't know that rubbed me the wrong

1:13:45

way in

1:13:48

a way. not just because it,

1:13:50

like, throws me the wrong way for people to say, you should just take on faith

1:13:52

that this is

1:13:55

going to be good like

1:13:58

because what happens if

1:13:59

the Republicans are there, but I watch

1:14:02

to occupy occupy Wall Street just totally

1:14:04

decimated after once

1:14:07

the Obama campaign started. Like, people just

1:14:09

fucking went home. They weren't they

1:14:11

they weren't out there

1:14:13

really really doing shit. And

1:14:16

then people just had to go home

1:14:18

and and and they voted, and nothing

1:14:20

happened, and and that just

1:14:22

always keeps happening. And I do really hate the idea of I do I

1:14:25

mean, I do

1:14:28

really hate the idea of saying,

1:14:30

like, voting doesn't matter, but it doesn't really matter. I don't think.

1:14:34

I I just I you know, if you can get some good

1:14:36

people in there like

1:14:38

like AOC or something

1:14:40

like that, I

1:14:43

think it would if she was able to

1:14:45

do things. But, like, we get these people elected. And and

1:14:48

then all we hear about

1:14:50

is how they can't do things.

1:14:53

and

1:14:53

not being able to do things. Like, that's what

1:14:55

I signed you up for was to

1:14:57

fucking do things. I wanted

1:14:59

you to do things. what?

1:15:03

I wanted you to do things. And

1:15:05

I'm a baby that

1:15:07

throws a

1:15:10

tantrum. I'm growing

1:15:11

a tantrum. And that is what

1:15:13

I am. Like, I can't

1:15:15

help it if if

1:15:18

if I

1:15:19

I watch the

1:15:21

Democrats

1:15:22

piss away a majority,

1:15:25

And then I'm supposed

1:15:27

to just be like, well, yeah, they wanted to do the right You know? yeah

1:15:30

now

1:15:32

Yeah. The the way that

1:15:33

I view it though right now, you know? Because

1:15:36

I I am

1:15:38

actually gonna vote this

1:15:40

year. It's the first that I

1:15:42

ever gave a shit about voting. And it's because of the thing that my uncle said and

1:15:44

my uncle's looking massive

1:15:47

fucking burning bro. Right? I

1:15:49

keep trying to get him to listen

1:15:51

to this show, but he won't. So if you're out there, hey, not, never

1:15:56

mind. But people just

1:15:58

listen to stuff on

1:15:59

their time.

1:16:04

you know, finding it and

1:16:06

then saying like, oh, hey.

1:16:09

I found

1:16:12

this show. I mean, that's how people are.

1:16:14

I have had people tell me to watch a movie, and I'll fucking watch the movie

1:16:17

like six

1:16:20

years later. and they'll be like, I'll be like, that

1:16:22

movie was really great and they're like, I told you and I was like, yeah,

1:16:24

I waited until I

1:16:26

wanted to fucking watch the

1:16:28

movie. But

1:16:30

he

1:16:31

was like, you know, you're

1:16:33

right. He he finally was like, you're

1:16:35

right. Demi Craig don't do

1:16:37

shit. But on the other hand, they don't

1:16:39

do shit. Isn't it better to put it in

1:16:42

stay distance to make it, like, actively worse? You

1:16:44

know? Yeah. You know, I

1:16:46

agree. You know, you have to kind of admit that it's right?

1:16:48

It's right. It's

1:16:51

a

1:16:51

hundred percent right. it's

1:16:53

it's they're not gonna

1:16:55

do shit, but they're not going to, you know, fucking you know

1:16:58

turn

1:17:00

schools into oil fields or whatever. I

1:17:02

don't know. That was, like, the worst impromptu I've ever done. But

1:17:05

you know what

1:17:07

I mean? Like, they're

1:17:09

just out of the I might

1:17:11

actually be in favor of putting schools into oilfield, you know,

1:17:13

get get some get some unions going between these, like, elementary

1:17:16

schools around.

1:17:18

get

1:17:18

that gap get them price gas

1:17:21

prices down.

1:17:22

But I I

1:17:24

just

1:17:24

yeah. I mean, I'll

1:17:26

go I I generally will

1:17:29

walk over. I will

1:17:30

vote. And then I

1:17:33

will, like, not think about it at all for

1:17:36

the rest of the night. And I

1:17:38

don't ever know, like, what I'm doing.

1:17:41

I I just sorta, like, I

1:17:43

don't I'm not passionate. Voting is like

1:17:45

no work at all. It's

1:17:47

zero. It's

1:17:48

it's zero it's nothing and

1:17:50

ah nothing. And you

1:17:52

can just fucking go in

1:17:54

there and

1:17:54

do it and be done with it. You know,

1:17:56

you're not supposed

1:17:59

to be done like,

1:18:00

our thing is that, like, if

1:18:02

you if you don't if you vote, and that's all

1:18:06

you do,

1:18:08

that's nothing. That's kinda less than

1:18:10

anything. But if if you do

1:18:13

it and you

1:18:16

also organize then that might

1:18:18

be actually that that are organized. Do do

1:18:20

the things that you're trying

1:18:22

to do these Starbucks unions and

1:18:26

pretty soon, I hear there's gonna be a Chili's union.

1:18:28

I'm pressuring you into doing that

1:18:30

bear. That's what I was saying.

1:18:33

Oh,

1:18:34

I'm I'm quitting

1:18:36

Chili's. Where are you going? I'm I'm like,

1:18:38

god. I'm I'm getting together. That's for the life stuff I've been

1:18:40

getting together. I'm going to a

1:18:42

Honda dealership to be a big

1:18:46

car maintenance guy. No.

1:18:48

Okay. I thought you're gonna say sales

1:18:50

salesperson.

1:18:50

And I was like, no. Don't

1:18:52

do it. Don't do

1:18:54

it, baby. No. Not Not

1:18:56

again. I went do you remember when I

1:18:58

did the group sales job that I had for two days?

1:19:00

And on the second day,

1:19:02

I walked out and the guy called

1:19:04

me. And I was

1:19:06

like, yeah. I know this is bullshit. Yeah.

1:19:08

Let me tell you someone's phone here. I found out about

1:19:10

that, Brian. He apparently put me on speakerphone in

1:19:14

front of all the other employees. Right? Yeah.

1:19:17

because he thought

1:19:18

he was

1:19:18

gonna pull me back in. I found

1:19:21

it out later because I read it to

1:19:23

one of the other guys that to the thing.

1:19:25

Right. Yeah. He pulled me on speakerphone

1:19:26

because he thought he was gonna pull

1:19:29

me back into

1:19:32

the grip and, like, make an example out of me.

1:19:34

But instead, I told him that it was stupid and bullshit and how it was, like, a massive fucking

1:19:36

scam and sales is fucking stupid in

1:19:38

that we need to, like, do, like,

1:19:42

real labor and actually contribute to our society

1:19:44

and communities. And apparently, two more people,

1:19:46

including the guy I ran into later,

1:19:48

got up and walked out of the

1:19:50

room too. I I

1:19:51

mean, I like you at a car

1:19:53

dealership. I'll say that. I

1:19:56

think

1:19:57

car dealership seems like a place

1:19:59

where

1:19:59

actually you will be able to call.

1:20:02

You like, definitely your calls will

1:20:04

be funny because

1:20:05

you'll be working

1:20:07

with car salespeople. and they're wild. And

1:20:09

also, like, I'm really proud of you because you're

1:20:12

you're you're getting out

1:20:14

of the line of fire.

1:20:16

you know, you're getting

1:20:18

out of the customer world, which that is who

1:20:20

works.

1:20:21

that is everybody who works

1:20:23

I

1:20:24

think I feel like that's their dream.

1:20:26

Hey. I just don't wanna deal with customers no more. Yeah. Step

1:20:28

one is stop dealing

1:20:29

with customers and step two

1:20:31

is get salary. Right? Those are

1:20:33

the those are the two steps. Mhmm. So I don't have the screen. I think steps up. I I

1:20:36

don't feel like go

1:20:38

and get it about, really?

1:20:41

I

1:20:42

do think there's a step

1:20:44

three in that, like

1:20:46

I think, like, if you're fully

1:20:48

real as as like that

1:20:50

sort of a worker. And I never got this. I didn't

1:20:52

the

1:20:53

make it

1:20:56

there. I you know, I I this

1:20:58

happened for me before I got the chance, but my own desk

1:21:00

is it

1:21:03

was a total dream for me.

1:21:05

Like, all I wanted was my own desk.

1:21:07

And I never got it. Really? I I

1:21:11

tried And, yeah, for me, it

1:21:11

was salary or

1:21:15

a high hourly.

1:21:16

or a high hourly

1:21:18

wage,

1:21:18

a desk, so I

1:21:21

didn't have to be outside. And

1:21:23

then, like, you know,

1:21:24

know the

1:21:26

the the I

1:21:28

didn't that the other issue is there

1:21:30

I don't think there was a job for me

1:21:32

in in that, like, the other issue was

1:21:34

no uniform. But

1:21:36

also, I think I wanted

1:21:39

no I

1:21:40

I think I not

1:21:42

only didn't want no but think

1:21:44

I also wanted, like, no

1:21:46

dress code. So I'd

1:21:48

be able to come

1:21:49

in my, like, t shirt

1:21:52

and jeans. I

1:21:53

so I I have a little life hack for

1:21:54

this that you're willing to go through the

1:21:58

time and

1:21:59

effort. Right?

1:22:01

I gotta

1:22:01

to get what I do to get out of the uniforms, mostly right? I

1:22:04

don't really care

1:22:06

about, like, shirts or

1:22:08

whatever. when

1:22:09

I fucking hate having to wear jeans and dress pants, like,

1:22:11

I can't do Right? I only wear

1:22:15

a cargo pants. ever.

1:22:17

I own sixteen pairs of the exact type of the

1:22:19

same type of cargo pants. Right? So what

1:22:22

I did was

1:22:25

I went and got a diagnosis for OCD, which

1:22:27

I probably actually have, but I definitely made it seem like

1:22:29

I had it to the therapist

1:22:31

that saw it twice. and

1:22:35

got a diagnosis for it. And now I

1:22:37

put that down on my job application. Like,

1:22:39

oh, yeah. By the way,

1:22:41

I have really bad OCD I can only wear this exact

1:22:43

type of cargo pants. Don't worry. I'll, like, keep them

1:22:45

clean and shit, but I I have to wear

1:22:48

these pants. And they're, like, that

1:22:50

is yeah. Sure. Whatever. Who

1:22:52

cares? god.

1:22:53

That is like

1:22:55

me back in when

1:22:56

I worked with

1:22:59

Chuck E. Cheese, I

1:23:02

me and my friends used to love to

1:23:05

drive around and get high on

1:23:06

Friday night. That was, like, kind of, the

1:23:08

Friday night thing was go by a

1:23:11

quarter or a half and

1:23:12

drive around and

1:23:14

my friend,

1:23:15

seventy nine Nova, around town. And

1:23:19

I

1:23:19

was like,

1:23:21

I told him I was

1:23:23

like, you know, I really hate that

1:23:25

this happens, but my mom has visitation of

1:23:28

me on

1:23:30

hi Friday and Saturday every two

1:23:32

weeks, and it just happens

1:23:34

to be on payday. And also,

1:23:36

my mom lived in Kansas,

1:23:39

and I was seventeen years

1:23:41

old. So they it worked. They fucking didn't. They had me on every

1:23:44

other weekend because I had

1:23:46

to go to my seventeen year

1:23:48

old ass

1:23:51

had to go to fucking visitation with my mom

1:23:53

that I hadn't seen in, like,

1:23:55

six years. It was genius

1:23:57

though. I've always been

1:23:59

very

1:23:59

proud of that?

1:24:01

Luckily

1:24:01

for me, I am just really just enough that

1:24:04

I can claim that

1:24:06

as exemption for Fridays and

1:24:08

Sundays. I

1:24:10

don't work either of those days. Not

1:24:12

particularly because I don't have

1:24:15

any actual role. I

1:24:17

just don't want it. Yeah. Well,

1:24:19

that was mine. It was like, I don't wanna

1:24:21

work on payday. I think I requested

1:24:23

a day off for payday

1:24:25

and felt what it was like to

1:24:27

get your jet and was like, yeah, I gotta do

1:24:29

something where I can have this all

1:24:31

the fucking time.

1:24:34

that would be That would be the

1:24:36

best for me. I love

1:24:38

the OCD thing. I

1:24:39

I wonder if

1:24:40

other listeners could pull it

1:24:42

off. You know, street fight listeners

1:24:46

are cargo pants people. So they probably

1:24:47

or, you know, I

1:24:49

guess it's cargo pants

1:24:51

are are also I

1:24:55

would say cargo pants are closer to dress

1:24:57

pants than jeans. So they're probably

1:25:00

cool with it. You

1:25:02

know? It's like At least he's not wearing jeans or whatever.

1:25:04

Actually, it might be a

1:25:06

You have to wear jeans.

1:25:10

And it's straight to its state. Yeah. It's

1:25:12

straight to its state. Yeah. It's

1:25:14

straight to its state, like, dark blue

1:25:16

jeans and a t shirt. not black

1:25:18

jeans, not acid washed jeans. They

1:25:20

have to be dark blue and a

1:25:23

company provided t shirt. But I argue for

1:25:25

the OCD is so hard that I work

1:25:27

cargo pants and a hoodie day. They don't think

1:25:29

shit. That is

1:25:30

so god tier. That is so fucking cool, bear.

1:25:32

That is my

1:25:34

favorite thing. I don't even

1:25:36

so. I

1:25:37

had customers think of my customer because I don't even know if, like, I'm working there. I'm just walking in the bag, like, like,

1:25:40

an admin.

1:25:45

So I

1:25:45

wanna know,

1:25:46

obviously, don't disappear on us

1:25:48

again. We

1:25:48

need to know if you get

1:25:50

the job at the Honda dealership. and

1:25:55

you can celebrate the Honda days. I mean, that's probably gonna

1:25:57

be That's probably gonna

1:25:58

make, like, a lot

1:25:59

more a lot more than a chili is

1:26:02

right

1:26:02

than

1:26:03

Chili's. Right? Okay. This is

1:26:04

if you guys wanna know how broke I am, I

1:26:06

will I'm gonna disclose some actual numbers

1:26:10

here. if I get the job at the Honda dealership, I will

1:26:12

go from making twenty thousand a year

1:26:15

to thirty one thousand a year. And

1:26:17

that's such a massive jump to me

1:26:19

that my mind is fucking blown.

1:26:21

It's crazy though that,

1:26:22

like, car maintenance. Are

1:26:25

you

1:26:25

doing because my

1:26:27

brother did this. years ago

1:26:30

detailing. Are you doing detailing or are you doing, like, oil change? No.

1:26:32

I'm doing, like,

1:26:35

oil tire

1:26:35

brakes and transition

1:26:39

fluid and, like, battery and stuff. Okay. So

1:26:41

-- Okay. -- anything that

1:26:43

doesn't actively involve like

1:26:45

a line replacement I

1:26:47

will be doing?

1:26:48

Okay. Okay. That shouldn't be too

1:26:50

that shouldn't be too hard. Oil change

1:26:53

probably the hardest

1:26:54

thing you're gonna have to do

1:26:56

there.

1:27:00

And that's probably not too bad. I mean, tires

1:27:02

kind of a pain in the ass, you know,

1:27:04

but we can all do

1:27:06

too bad. The huge especially

1:27:08

the air tool, the huge bonus for me is a

1:27:10

fucking

1:27:10

I I fucking loved my two thousand

1:27:11

Honda Civic. And

1:27:15

I actually when my dad decided

1:27:15

to scrap it, I kept the, like, quicker thing for

1:27:18

it. And so I still have it even though

1:27:22

I don't have the car. And so when I

1:27:23

went in for the job interview, the fur for

1:27:25

the first interview, it's probably, like,

1:27:27

the cheesiest

1:27:28

move I've ever pulled in a

1:27:30

job interview. They asked me why they should

1:27:33

hire me, and I pulled

1:27:34

my little keys out of my pocket, and I started tier up a little bit holding the quicker

1:27:36

to talk about how

1:27:38

dearly I owe this car.

1:27:41

And

1:27:42

who are white coat? And

1:27:44

they're like, we'll call you in two days

1:27:46

of a follow-up. That is incredible, bear.

1:27:47

That is

1:27:51

You

1:27:51

you are the greatest job ever,

1:27:54

I think. because I would

1:27:56

have never thought

1:27:58

to cry, but I get

1:28:00

the

1:28:00

tears crying. Actually, he was watching ManCal videos

1:28:02

today. Probably be playing this on Shucked over this week where

1:28:07

he cried twice. fake

1:28:08

crime though was --

1:28:10

Oh. -- not real crying. But, yeah, he he's

1:28:11

crying. That is

1:28:15

so fucking funny.

1:28:17

bear.

1:28:18

That is excellent. If you if you can cry on command, it is

1:28:20

a borrower move to

1:28:22