0:00

When

0:00

I walked outside, he

0:02

had left like a shrine on my

0:04

front door. There were flowers,

0:06

there was wine, there were

0:08

notes, there were stuffed animals, there were

0:10

little lawn ornaments, there

0:13

were taro cards,

0:14

there were

0:16

beads and jewelry. And

0:19

the note was very cryptically

0:21

written. He basically said, I

0:24

went to your dad first. I thought that was

0:26

the proper way to do this. I wanted to ask

0:28

his permission to marry you.

0:31

It took me a lot of digging to finally

0:33

find you but here I am and

0:36

you're not home right now, I guess, so I'll be

0:38

back later. And in

0:40

that moment, I've never experienced

0:42

anything like that in my life. My

0:44

body turned to

0:46

jello.

1:00

I'm Jamie Bibby. And

1:02

I'm Jake Diptula. On today's episode of

1:04

Strictly Stockton, we're speaking with Lucy Wall who's

1:06

being stumped by a stranger who hitchhiked from Minnesota

1:09

to Los Angeles and showed up at her father's

1:11

doorstep looking for her. When

1:12

he couldn't get to her through her father, he found

1:14

her address and showed up at her house trying

1:16

to break his way in, but the door was locked.

1:19

He

1:19

assembled a shrine to Lucy in her front yard

1:21

and left a note saying he'd be back

1:23

later. Lucy

1:24

alerted her family's personal security

1:26

and they immediately sent her to a hotel and she

1:28

was placed under twenty four seven surveillance.

1:30

The man repeatedly showed up at her home

1:32

and waited for people to egg so he could sneak

1:34

through the security gate. He

1:36

drew her name on cardboard signs and held

1:38

them up so she could see them. He threw things

1:40

under her balcony and created more shrines

1:42

on her property. Lucy

1:44

hired a private investigator when the police department

1:46

told her they couldn't do anything unless he physically

1:49

hurt her even though he was constantly sitting

1:51

outside her home. When

1:52

he was eventually arrested, the LAPD

1:54

found weapons in his backpack, and Lucy discovered

1:57

that members of her Stalker's family had already

1:59

filed restraining orders against him.

2:00

Lucy,

2:01

thank you for joining us today. Thank

2:03

you for having me. Why

2:05

don't you tell us a little bit about growing up in your

2:07

family?

2:07

I come from a lot of musicians

2:11

So

2:12

we've always been very

2:15

wary of

2:16

privacy.

2:18

My mom kept me really far

2:20

away from show biz. I

2:23

grew up in the Malibu Mountains.

2:26

And

2:26

even though my dad was in

2:28

show business and other members of my family,

2:31

my mom just really kept me

2:33

away from it all. I didn't I went

2:35

to a a Waldorf school.

2:37

It's basically like naturalistic,

2:39

homeopathic. I was born at home

2:41

with a midwife. and

2:43

no drugs. My mom's a badass. And

2:46

at school, I didn't play with any plastic

2:48

toys. It was just wood and cloth.

2:50

It's montessori for really

2:53

young kids created by Rudolph Steiner

2:55

who's a a psychologist incredible,

2:59

fascinating guy. But anyway, he

3:01

created this educational system. And

3:03

so, yeah, no no

3:05

plastic, no sugar, no

3:07

TV. I got to watch

3:09

one movie a week, and it was usually the

3:11

same movies over in over which was, like,

3:13

gone with the wind and how the west was one

3:15

and

3:16

Mary Poppins, I think those were my three. But

3:19

Since you were born into a showbiz family, how

3:21

challenging was it for your mom to

3:24

basically keep you sheltered from

3:26

Yeah. I think it was

3:27

very challenging for her at times because

3:30

because kids would bring stuff

3:32

to school, like, dramatic

3:34

stories about my family and the press,

3:36

and kids would be telling me things and I'd

3:38

go home say mom, what is this about? And she

3:40

was just,

3:41

you know, it's like asking

3:44

your parents about sex. They're just kinda don't

3:46

know how to go about it with you.

3:47

But so I had a very lovely

3:51

calm childhood and

3:53

then my dad got sober when I was

3:55

a little older and I started

3:57

to realize who

3:59

the

3:59

fuck he was, which was a trip.

4:03

That

4:03

was around twelve years old. and

4:07

my dad is Jo Walsh of the Eagles.

4:10

And so that

4:12

was life changing. That was really wild.

4:14

and a

4:15

bit confusing. But that's when him

4:18

and I started to have a relationship because

4:20

he hadn't he'd

4:21

been off being a rock star before that.

4:23

So and it was great. I mean, I remember

4:26

this is not what this today is about,

4:28

but

4:29

my mom had always said the minute that

4:31

you are clean and ready

4:33

to

4:34

my dad.

4:35

I will completely support you and

4:37

your daughter having a relationship. and she

4:39

really did. I remember the day that we got the call

4:41

that he was

4:43

going into a rehab facility.

4:45

And I was taken right there to his bedside,

4:47

and I

4:48

I was there with him through the whole process

4:51

and lived with him for a while. And

4:53

that was really wonderful years for us. We

4:55

really got to know each other FOR THE FIRST TIME.

4:57

UP

4:57

TO THIS POINT, DID YOU KNOW WHO

5:00

YOUR FATHER WAS? I

5:01

DIDN'T KNOW QUITE WHAT HE

5:03

DID. I didn't know the scope of it, but

5:05

I knew certain things. Like, he

5:08

drove the red

5:11

Mustang from the James Bond diamonds

5:13

are

5:13

forever. Like, that was our car. And

5:15

I remember driving around

5:16

with him and thinking, I

5:19

don't

5:19

have to put my seat belt on because my

5:21

dad famous, and that means that nothing bad can

5:23

happen to us. So we're if

5:25

we're not gonna get in a crash or anything because that doesn't

5:27

happen to famous people. like a kid

5:29

trying to piece it all together. That

5:31

was

5:31

probably like ten. It's really strange

5:34

how a child makes

5:35

sense of it in their brain. or

5:37

I would like, he would just have, like, five

5:40

hundred dollar bills on the side of the bed.

5:42

Like, people would have quarters

5:44

and nickels and in their sock drawer.

5:46

just remember there being like a lot of money

5:48

laying around all the time. And I

5:50

thought that's I like that. I

5:52

like money

5:54

a lot. but I had a dad

5:56

because my mom got remarried and

5:58

that became my

6:00

dad. So my stepdad is

6:02

I'm even closer with him than my real

6:04

father. Can

6:05

you tell us a little bit about your stepdad and

6:07

your mom and that relationship as you were kinda

6:09

getting into your teens and what that was

6:11

like? Yeah.

6:12

he is my favorite person in the

6:14

world, my step dad, Jim. And

6:16

it was always a really just beautiful

6:19

lovely relationship at the center

6:22

of my life. And then when I got into

6:24

being a teen, I started

6:26

to get really rebellious.

6:28

I just definitely

6:29

lost my mind a bit when I was a teen because

6:32

I just didn't wanna listen to my mom anymore.

6:34

I was like, I know what's best

6:36

for me now. I

6:37

don't

6:38

want to be controlled, and

6:40

I just kind of made it really difficult

6:43

for my parents for a while there. And the

6:45

day I moved out, I got

6:47

in, like, a physical fight with my stepdad,

6:49

the

6:49

guy I'm talking about, because

6:51

he was just trying to hold me there, and I and

6:53

and he wouldn't let go And I

6:55

had I had overturned all the

6:57

furniture in my room. I was, like,

6:59

throwing a temper tantrum. And he wouldn't let

7:01

go me and I said, get off me. You are not

7:03

my father. And

7:05

I just will never forget

7:08

the look on his face was

7:10

awful. But after that, life

7:12

got better, got close again with my parents.

7:14

Growing up, were there weird

7:16

fans, people that scared

7:19

you, anything like that happening? Yeah.

7:21

There were

7:22

some strange things. I always knew

7:24

that I had to be on guard. like

7:27

things would happen where I started

7:29

touring with my dad. And

7:31

when they were

7:31

in New York City and he just took me into

7:33

a camera door, and

7:35

he wanted security to wait in the car

7:37

because he wanted to just have these normal

7:39

experiences with his daughter. And

7:42

the people in the camera or knew

7:44

who he was and got up on the counters

7:46

and started kinda

7:48

surrounding us and separating us.

7:51

and one went and locked the front door and one

7:53

was taking me in the towards the back

7:55

of the building and and

7:58

secure or security guards had to

7:59

just break the door down basically

8:02

and people were getting punched in

8:04

the stomach and I mean, to get us

8:06

out of there. I remember that being a scary

8:09

experience.

8:10

But then

8:12

my dad married a woman

8:14

whose sister is

8:16

married to Ringo Starr. if

8:18

that makes sense. Ringo and

8:20

his wife are my aunt and uncle. And

8:23

when that came into the family,

8:26

the fans changed because Beatles

8:29

fans are on a whole another level.

8:32

And that's when

8:35

people started finding out where I

8:37

was, where I was

8:39

frequenting. It would show up at my

8:41

shows and and my events.

8:43

and I wasn't really used to that. In

8:46

addition to my own fans because I'm an

8:48

actress and a singer. But Beatles fans,

8:50

I have to say I've never experienced anything

8:52

like that.

8:53

So I've always just had a real button

8:55

on privacy. I really have. Like,

8:57

I really don't if if if

8:59

I'm gonna post a picture of somebody on my

9:01

Instagram, I'll ask their

9:02

permission first. If

9:03

I'm gonna show up somewhere, I won't

9:05

post about it until the next day. I actually

9:08

got in a fight with a girlfriend of mine because

9:10

she was doing that thing where you can check people

9:12

in on face book, and

9:14

III fucking lost my

9:16

temper. So don't you ever do

9:18

that to me again? That is so

9:20

fucking dangerous. For all

9:22

of us, doesn't matter who you are. The

9:24

Internet has opened us up

9:26

to

9:26

very strange people.

9:28

Anybody can find you now. And I

9:31

think we forget that sometimes. And

9:33

that's what social media has done. It's made

9:35

us much more accessible and

9:37

so you have to be much more careful.

9:39

Not only

9:40

that, but sometimes you forget that you're a public

9:42

figure. When you

9:43

started to emerge as an artist in your

9:46

own right, What

9:47

was that experience like for you?

9:49

Really fun. I

9:50

never had any question about what I

9:53

wanted to do. It was I saw gone with the wind

9:55

when I five years old, and I took one look at

9:57

Vivien Lee, and I said, that's me.

9:59

That's what

9:59

I'm gonna do. And I did.

10:02

and And I

10:03

think it's a blast. I think it's

10:04

a blast. I love it. I love connecting

10:06

with people and doing

10:09

things that are going to reach many

10:11

many people and that goes back to

10:13

when I was around that age 5678I

10:16

would sit every day pretty

10:18

much with this silver boom box that

10:21

had and I would tell stories and I

10:23

would record myself. And it was so

10:25

magical to me that I could yank my

10:27

brother and sister in and make them sit down and I

10:29

would tell them a story and that was reaching

10:31

two people. But

10:32

to me, it was so incredible

10:34

that I could press record

10:37

and reach

10:38

millions of people. that's

10:41

always been such an incredible concept to

10:43

me. And so it's no wonder I've gone on to

10:45

do this because to me that's what it's

10:47

all about. to me that's how we hold each other

10:49

up as humans is by

10:51

telling stories and making it

10:53

reach as many people as possible.

10:55

growing

10:56

up in this family. Did

10:58

you hear about other people in your family

11:01

having stalkers? Was it something that was

11:03

talked about? No. No.

11:05

It was just always be

11:07

very careful, but there

11:09

was never any instance. I'm sure there have

11:12

been. But Do you think

11:12

it was kept from you, possibly? yeah,

11:15

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13:39

Take us

13:40

to when you first

13:43

discovered that you had

13:45

a stalker. How did everything

13:47

transpire with that? I

13:48

got a call from my dad's bodyguard,

13:51

and he said there's a man here at

13:53

the house, my

13:54

dad's house. who

13:56

says that he knows you, and he's

13:57

describing him, and I can hear the

13:59

guy in the background going,

14:02

well, we don't know each other,

14:04

but I follow her on Twitter

14:06

so it feels like we know each other and we

14:08

have this like spiritual connection

14:10

and I

14:12

can hear him saying that kind of thing. And I said,

14:14

I don't know that man, call the police.

14:17

And they well, I stayed on the

14:19

phone with them and they called back

14:21

and said, okay, he went and they they gave me

14:23

some more information about him. He was a very

14:25

well dressed white guy, very

14:27

clean, well dressed. He

14:29

was on foot, My dad

14:31

lives in the middle of nowhere. The

14:32

sky was on foot.

14:34

He said he had hitchhiked from

14:36

Minnesota with calling

14:39

from God to get to me

14:41

and marry me. He

14:42

had brought gifts, he brought he had

14:44

a backpack, and he had brought this,

14:47

like, carving kind of stature

14:49

thing of the last supper for

14:52

me. And

14:56

when the bodyguard moved

14:59

wards him, he moved in a way that

15:01

let the bodyguard know that he was trained,

15:03

military style. We came

15:05

to find out he had been let

15:07

go from the army

15:09

for alcohol.

15:11

So

15:12

this is kind of what I knew at

15:14

that point that day that had happened.

15:17

And I said to them that day on the phone,

15:19

he's gonna find me. And they

15:21

said, oh, no. He's not that, you know, no.

15:23

Come on. And I said, oh, yes, he is.

15:25

Did

15:25

they have any idea how he found your

15:28

father's house? He

15:29

just said he

15:31

he just said that he had

15:33

looked

15:33

it up. He said you can you said can

15:35

find anything if you're really looking for it,

15:37

which is true and terrifying. And

15:39

what year was this? This was two thousand

15:42

nineteen

15:42

October. And

15:44

how old did they think he was?

15:47

He

15:47

was probably in his early thirties.

15:50

And how did he say that he knew

15:52

about you.

15:53

Twitter because I'm because of my

15:56

acting and singing, just he was a

15:58

fan. When

15:58

was the next time you

15:59

heard from him? A week

16:01

later, I was at

16:02

home alone in the middle

16:04

of the day, and the

16:07

knock came that I'd been waiting for.

16:09

I lived in a secured building. It

16:11

didn't have a front doorman, but it

16:14

had locked doors, gated,

16:15

coded thing. And

16:18

the knock I was right

16:20

by the door too,

16:20

which was trippy.

16:22

And I I just it was, like, out of

16:24

a movie. I just I heard the knock and it

16:26

was one of those where it's, like, very

16:28

playful. I

16:29

like that.

16:33

And I just turned my head slowly

16:35

and the doorknob was jiggling. I

16:37

had the shower running. I was on my

16:39

way to a Target commercial audition.

16:43

So crazy. And I knew

16:45

it was him. We can't

16:47

really explain why we do things in

16:49

moments of shock. We do

16:51

really stupid things when we go into

16:53

shock. Don't we? hi I

16:56

didn't call

16:56

the cops. I backed

16:59

away from the door. I

17:01

locked my bedroom door. I

17:03

locked my bath room door and I took

17:05

a shower and I got ready for

17:07

my audition. And that took about

17:09

a half hour. Still haven't

17:11

called the cops can't

17:13

can't explain it, was in shock. I went

17:16

to the door, I looked out of the peephole, he

17:18

wasn't there. That's

17:20

that's how committed I was to my acting at the time. I wasn't gonna let

17:22

anything get in the way of that audition,

17:24

which is insane to me now, but that

17:26

was my thinking. I have a job to do. I gotta

17:29

go. And

17:29

when I walked outside, he

17:32

had left, like, a shrine

17:33

on my front door. There

17:35

were flowers, there was

17:38

wine, there were notes, there were stuffed animals. There were

17:40

little lawn ornaments. There

17:42

were taro

17:43

cards. There were beads

17:46

and

17:46

jewelry. And

17:48

the note was

17:50

very cryptically written. It was

17:52

the same form that he had

17:54

used when he started to write me

17:56

on Twitter, which when we went back and looked,

17:59

he'd been writing me for

17:59

about a year before he

18:02

located me. and

18:03

it was every other letter would be uppercase

18:06

and

18:06

lowercase. So it looked

18:08

really crazy. And then he would use

18:10

symbols and numbers as

18:13

well so you really had to pick apart

18:15

what he was saying. And this little letter

18:17

that he had left was the same thing.

18:20

and he basically said, I went to

18:22

your dad first. I thought that was the

18:24

proper way to do this. I wanted to ask

18:26

his permission to marry

18:28

you. It

18:29

took me a lot of digging to

18:31

finally find you, but here I am.

18:34

And you're not home right now, I guess,

18:36

so I'll be back later. And

18:39

in that moment, I've never experienced

18:41

anything like that in my life.

18:43

My body turned

18:45

to Jello. I

18:47

couldn't, like, control my

18:49

limbs. It was just, like, I

18:51

was melting into the floor, and I and

18:53

I just knew I had to make a b

18:55

line for my car. I didn't know where

18:57

he was. I assumed he

18:59

was watching me.

19:01

I ran I had to take the

19:04

elevator down to the

19:06

garage, which was terrifying. Now I'm

19:08

in this locked parking garage

19:10

by myself. I flew through

19:12

the car passenger side. I didn't

19:14

even run around to the driver's side.

19:16

And then my next assumption was that he had

19:18

put a tracking device on the car. so

19:20

I drove straight to a police station. And

19:22

I went inside the police station, but

19:24

I didn't speak to anyone. It was

19:27

almost like

19:27

I just wanted to throw him off,

19:29

by going

19:30

straight to a police station. But

19:34

remember, my insane actor mind was like, I

19:36

gotta get to my audition. I

19:38

got It's so insane, which I

19:40

did. And on the way to the audition, I

19:42

called my body my dad's

19:43

bodyguard, and I told him what had happened, and

19:46

he said, okay. you go to that

19:48

audition and then you meet me at

19:50

my place and you get in my car

19:52

and we'll figure out what to do

19:54

from So I did. So I I never went

19:56

home again for, like, the next month.

19:58

I went straight

19:59

to

19:59

him and I was taken to

20:02

a hotel and our

20:04

bodyguard did not leave my side

20:06

the entire month. It was amazing.

20:09

Tell

20:09

us about having to go

20:11

to the hotel, how you felt,

20:13

what life was like, while you were living in a

20:16

hotel, scared for your life. Yeah. It

20:18

was a really hard time. It was a really

20:20

challenging thing. I was very busy at

20:22

the time. I was starring in a play.

20:25

I was in daily rehearsals for this play that was opening

20:27

in a couple weeks. I had just started

20:29

a new, like, stupid

20:31

side job working for

20:34

interior to signer friend of mine at his showroom in Beverly

20:36

Hills. I couldn't

20:38

drive myself

20:40

anywhere. I couldn't

20:41

go back and get my I had two cats

20:44

at home, which were left

20:46

alone

20:46

with people coming and going to take care

20:49

of them. It was a mess and I

20:51

was terrified. This was

20:53

a near death experience in my

20:55

life as it unfolded over the next

20:57

couple months. many

20:59

more

21:00

things happened. But

21:02

it was terrifying because I couldn't

21:04

get the jiggling door

21:06

handle out of my mind.

21:09

That to me is, like, the most PTSD triggering

21:12

thing out of all of it is that

21:15

damn doorknob. I just didn't trust

21:17

anything. I didn't I didn't know where he

21:19

was. I didn't know where he was.

21:21

I assumed because that's what

21:23

PTSD does. You assume the

21:25

worst. because the worst happened. And there's nothing anyone

21:27

can do to tell you that the worst

21:29

won't happen because it did, so

21:31

go fuck yourself. Right? That is

21:34

the tragedy of PTSD. Even

21:36

if

21:36

you're in a room

21:37

that's full of people and all the doors

21:39

are locked, you

21:40

assume he's behind you. So

21:42

that was the craziest part for

21:45

me. But it was very intense not driving

21:47

myself, not having a moment alone really

21:49

because I was with people all day

21:51

long at these play rehearsals, and

21:53

being driven, and then I go back to my room

21:55

at night, and I'd be right

21:57

next door to my bodyguard, but

21:59

I didn't

21:59

wanna alone be alone. because he

22:01

could be under the bed. What was

22:03

going on behind the scenes at this time?

22:05

Were they actively looking for him? What did

22:07

they know about him. What

22:09

kind of information were they gathering? Yeah. So right away, we alerted the

22:12

police, obviously, and we hired a private

22:14

investigator. And

22:15

they began to find out more about him.

22:18

So he returned to my home every

22:20

day, and it took them a month

22:22

to arrest

22:24

him. he

22:24

returned to my home. We we had

22:27

all the landlord was notified

22:30

everything. There's security footage of

22:32

him standing out side the door with his back

22:34

away from it and he'd wait until

22:36

somebody went out and then he would just sneak

22:38

in the door. That was also really

22:40

disturbing to see that. he had on latex

22:42

gloves the whole

22:43

time, a

22:44

hood, and he would

22:45

leave more things. He would

22:48

sit

22:48

outside all

22:50

day and night, 234 in the morning.

22:52

He wouldn't leave. He would throw things up on

22:54

my patio. He would make,

22:56

like you said, in your intro, he made huge sign

22:58

with my name and he would just sit across the street

23:00

and hold it. And it

23:03

was really frustrating to

23:06

see

23:06

that

23:07

was right there. And he

23:09

was right there. You could reach out and snatch

23:11

him, but the cops wouldn't do it. They

23:14

literally said to me, Unless

23:16

we

23:16

catch him with his hands around your

23:18

throat, we can't do anything to

23:20

him. And

23:21

I just thought, wow. that's what

23:23

you do. You wait until it's too

23:25

late until people get killed. And

23:28

then,

23:28

oh, you know, we should have prevented

23:31

but you won't lift a finger. I learned a

23:33

lot about the LAPD through that. If it

23:35

weren't

23:35

from my private investigator, we would have

23:38

never caught him. And it's it's really crazy because

23:40

I know many women and men I'm

23:42

sure, but I know some women who have

23:44

been denied restraining orders when

23:46

they needed them really bad.

23:48

even worse than I did maybe,

23:50

and they just

23:50

don't get them. What was it

23:53

like dealing with the police for

23:55

that month before they

23:57

caught him? It

23:57

was definitely a study

23:59

in human psychology because

24:02

to my face, the police would say, oh,

24:04

we're doing everything we can, just be

24:07

brave, You got this.

24:07

We're here to help. We're doing everything we

24:10

can. And then my private investigators

24:12

who are also very hooked up with the police. They

24:14

know each other. They all know each other. It's very

24:17

political behind those lines. He

24:19

would be telling

24:19

me, god, fucking damn these guys. They're

24:22

not in a finger, you know, so and so did this and so and so

24:24

should have done this. And I remember my

24:26

private investigator having to harass

24:28

the police with, like, black

24:32

almost. Like, if you don't fucking

24:34

do this, I'm gonna call so and so and get

24:36

you there's like inner shit that goes

24:38

on where It's crazy.

24:40

III don't wanna I don't know how

24:42

much I can say in on that, but

24:44

I learned a lot What did

24:46

the cops

24:47

end up doing to help you

24:49

after the private investigator pushed

24:52

them? Well,

24:53

well I guess

24:54

they're the ones that technically arrested him.

24:57

That's about all. Quite

25:00

honestly. Were you able to

25:02

get every training order? Yes.

25:04

My PI basically waited

25:06

at my house

25:07

for weeks.

25:08

And he said, It's really

25:11

wild to be standing in your

25:13

apartment, looking at him from across the

25:15

street, and I'm armed. and

25:17

I could just take that gun out and end

25:19

it

25:19

right here. And I know

25:21

people that could cover that

25:24

up.

25:25

European knew how serious this was.

25:27

Yes. He's also he was

25:30

also in the same process with several

25:32

other celebrities at the same

25:34

time. This is with day long. So he's used

25:36

to the cops, not doing a thing.

25:38

So your

25:39

PI was sitting in your house

25:42

watching watching soccer. Yep. Trying

25:44

to get the police

25:45

The cops were lagging on the process

25:47

of getting the restraining order

25:49

saying that the I hadn't really done anything

25:52

wrong because

25:53

then he started disappearing within

25:56

that month that he kept showing up.

25:58

then he started

25:59

disappearing.

26:00

And that was very stressful for me

26:03

because he obviously knew how to

26:05

find me. people can

26:07

find anything they want. I

26:09

had been publicizing this play.

26:12

He knew where

26:12

the theater was. So

26:15

everybody

26:15

in my theater group had to be alerted

26:17

to not post anything about

26:19

me at all

26:21

to be, like, removed

26:23

from promo about it.

26:25

I had shows coming up. I was about

26:27

to play a sold out show at the Treba door.

26:29

a couple

26:30

months after that. So I was a sitting duck

26:32

in a lot of ways.

26:34

and And the day of the arrest

26:36

happened because the private him because they

26:38

had finally gotten the restraining

26:41

order, but then he disappeared. So

26:43

now we couldn't find him to

26:45

serve him. And it came to a climax because

26:47

the opening day of my play

26:49

arrived and he was at large.

26:51

And

26:52

and the

26:53

most stressful part for me was that

26:56

the PI came up with a

26:58

plan that I

27:00

was going to reach out to him and invite

27:02

him to my play. And

27:04

that's where

27:04

we were gonna serve him. And

27:07

that was really terrifying to me, not

27:09

only because I had to make direct

27:12

contact with this person, but

27:14

also because of everybody else. I didn't know if he

27:16

was armed. I didn't know if he would show

27:18

up and someone would get hurt in

27:20

a cross fight. I didn't know

27:22

and that seemed

27:23

to me

27:23

so scary to do

27:26

that. I get the logic behind it

27:28

because they were getting desperate because he

27:30

had disappeared. But

27:32

literally, the morning of

27:34

the play, he showed up at my

27:36

house again, and he's sitting there on the

27:39

bus stop. and my PI called

27:41

the cops and said get the fuck over here.

27:43

He's here. And they showed up and they were

27:45

able to arrest him,

27:47

but still

27:48

that was insane in itself because

27:51

the cops stood there

27:53

and spoke with him and allowed him

27:55

to defend his action. and gave

27:58

him the benefit of the doubt

27:59

for I think it

28:01

took an hour and a half to

28:03

finally arrest him. And I don't

28:05

know why that is. I

28:08

don't pretend to know why

28:11

it would be

28:11

that way, but it was.

28:14

What

28:14

was that moment like when you found out

28:16

that he had been arrested and the

28:18

circumstances behind it? I'm

28:20

being that day. Yeah. I cried at

28:23

from relief because everybody was

28:25

going to be safe. I

28:27

was

28:27

so relieved. i

28:30

mean I mean, that could have been really, but I imagine that. I

28:32

mean, that's, like, insane. He shows up somebody

28:35

get shot, like, what the fuck are we doing

28:37

here? It's, like, out of a

28:37

movie. But It didn't have to

28:39

go down that way. So at that point,

28:41

he was taken to jail and he stayed

28:44

there

28:44

for three months. with

28:46

a really

28:47

high really high

28:50

bail. During those

28:50

three months, what

28:52

else did you learn about him, about

28:55

the arrest? who he

28:57

was. We learned

28:58

that he had multiple restraining

29:00

orders against him by family

29:02

members in Minnesota. that

29:04

he

29:05

really had nowhere to go. He was homeless

29:07

at this point. He couldn't return

29:09

back there. And this was like three

29:11

or four restraining orders from

29:13

men and women in his family,

29:16

learned

29:16

that he'd been in the army, that he'd

29:18

been discharged for alcohol, and

29:22

that's really all I can recall about

29:24

him personally. What were

29:26

you learning behind

29:27

the scenes on the legal side

29:29

of it? Why he was in

29:32

waiting in jail for three months,

29:34

when was he getting out, what was happening

29:36

legally at that time? I'm not sure that's a good question. I

29:38

don't know why it was the three

29:40

months, but the judge had

29:41

taken a look at the case and

29:43

doubled the

29:44

bail. I got very

29:46

lucky. I

29:48

got really lucky. Like I said, I

29:50

know I know women who

29:52

have been denied everything.

29:55

and I don't know if it's because

29:57

I'm I'm high profile

29:59

and

30:00

there's a VIP treatment

30:02

within the

30:02

system? That's all I

30:04

can think it would

30:05

be. Unfortunately,

30:08

I'm I'm I'm very

30:09

grateful that I got as

30:12

good of a deal as I did, but

30:14

my heart really really

30:17

goes out to all the women. And

30:19

men, like I said, that that

30:21

haven't been so fortunate and haven't been

30:23

so well

30:23

taken care of. There's

30:26

no

30:26

reason for it. Within

30:29

that three months, I

30:31

knew I had to move. and

30:33

that was devastating for me.

30:35

I did not want to move. I

30:37

loved my home and

30:39

my neighborhood and my life the

30:41

way it was. And I had a

30:44

really hard time accepting that, so

30:46

I dragged my

30:48

feet. I

30:48

didn't start looking for a place

30:51

in time. So

30:51

by the time he got out of

30:54

jail, I hadn't quite

30:56

moved yet, which was really unfortunate.

30:58

III never wanted

31:00

him to be able to go back to that place and

31:02

think that I was still there.

31:04

So when he got out of jail,

31:06

that forced

31:07

me to stay with

31:08

a friend for until

31:10

I moved, which was

31:13

hard again. So at this point, this is now

31:15

in December January.

31:17

So I had been without you

31:19

know, I'd been going through this for

31:21

four solid months where I didn't have

31:23

a home base I couldn't be

31:25

with my cats. I know that

31:28

sounds silly, but, you know, they're my

31:30

fucking cats. They're my they're

31:32

my babies. And there was one

31:34

night where I said to my

31:36

bodyguard, I said, look, I can't. He

31:38

said, we gotta go get your fucking

31:40

cat. You're like, so lonely every night you're

31:42

like, well, crying in your hotel.

31:45

So we went back with this

31:47

undercover operation. This was before

31:49

he'd been caught. and

31:51

the way

31:52

we we we put

31:54

the cat in a suitcase and smuggled it

31:56

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How did it make

33:10

you feel by this point that

33:12

you had to uproot your life?

33:15

You basically were under twenty four

33:18

seven surveillance scared for your

33:20

life. Yeah. How did

33:22

that make you feel?

33:24

Really angry. I

33:26

was really, really angry.

33:30

What

33:30

were the circumstances on

33:32

his release from jail

33:34

after the three months? a five

33:36

year

33:36

restraining order. I don't

33:39

know what

33:39

the footage is that he can

33:42

come near me.

33:42

I forget and

33:45

that includes social media, no

33:47

no communication of any kind.

33:50

And

33:50

then was there a trial, how

33:53

why did they release them? There was a

33:54

trial. I thought I was going to have to see him

33:56

face to face, but I didn't end up having

33:59

to. I don't know

33:59

why that was, but I'm grateful

34:02

for it. and I did have to

34:03

go to court and speak in front of the judge.

34:06

Since

34:06

he's been released from prison, have you seen

34:08

or heard from him? I've heard from

34:10

him via

34:11

social media,

34:13

he bounced

34:15

around and ended up

34:17

in Mexico where he started to

34:19

reach out to me again.

34:21

I

34:21

alerted the police, and

34:24

they have been on the lookout for

34:26

him,

34:26

I believe, if he were to come back over

34:29

the border. He's

34:30

flagged, but who

34:32

knows his ways of getting in

34:34

and out? Who knows? So he

34:37

probably has multiple identities. When

34:39

he

34:39

reached out to you after the restraining order, what did

34:41

he say? It was

34:42

just random shit again

34:44

like that uppercase, lowercase,

34:47

crazy talk. It's just crazy talk. I mean,

34:50

along with reaching out to

34:51

me, it was

34:53

mixed in with other

34:56

messages like he was going to blow up the

34:58

White House. He was going to kill himself.

35:00

He had to come to LA to to handle

35:02

something and he was probably going to die in

35:04

the process. but it was going to

35:06

be worth it because it was Jesus' message. I assumed

35:08

at the time that coming to LA to handle something

35:10

that he was probably going to die in the

35:14

process Sasov met me and that he was willing to

35:16

commit suicide in some kind

35:18

of situation. So he

35:20

has

35:20

broken his restraining order

35:22

through online

35:24

communication. And looking back

35:26

through all of his

35:28

communications, when did he actually

35:30

first start communicating with

35:33

you? So it would have

35:34

been, like, middle of two

35:36

thousand seventeen.

35:38

And it wasn't something that you really noticed

35:41

No. No. But no. I mean, I get like, I have,

35:43

you know, whatever how

35:46

many followers, and I I

35:48

don't pay

35:50

attention. But when we went back, it was clearly there and it had

35:52

been there for a while. In

35:55

those original messages, Were

35:57

there any threats? Was he telling you

35:59

he was going to find you, anything

36:01

like that? Yeah. You would say things

36:03

like see you soon.

36:05

I can't remember anything

36:06

else, but it's it's funny what you wipe from your brain.

36:08

How has your

36:09

family dealt with all of

36:11

this with you?

36:12

what's your support system like?

36:14

My support system is wonderful. My

36:17

family

36:17

takes it really

36:20

seriously.

36:20

everybody

36:21

Everybody is always on the lookout, not just

36:23

for things like this, but there

36:25

are stories of actors through the

36:27

last couple decades that

36:29

been killed by people posing

36:32

as their agent or a

36:34

director and getting a hold of the mother

36:36

and going, I need to get a script to

36:39

so and so. What's his address? You know, this is his

36:41

agent or whatever. And they find you

36:43

that way. So they've I'm all but

36:45

I always I constantly remind everyone in my

36:47

life to be careful. And I work

36:49

with children as well.

36:51

I I started my own performing

36:53

arts center, the

36:56

watch performing arts studio, so I coach many,

36:58

many people in person on Zoom all

37:00

over the world. And I work with

37:03

young people, people of all ages,

37:06

but I'm very, very direct

37:08

and clear with my clientele as

37:10

well because I

37:11

take every buddies, safety very seriously and

37:14

people are very,

37:15

very determined and very

37:18

strange. How has

37:19

this impacted the way that

37:22

you engage with followers

37:24

fans? Anyone who basically comes into

37:27

your orbit. It's really affected me with

37:27

the way that I interact with

37:30

strangers.

37:30

I don't trust

37:32

anyone. I assume the

37:34

worst.

37:37

And online, I

37:39

like

37:39

social media. I

37:41

think it's really useful.

37:42

And and I've connected with people all over

37:45

the world that you form these friendships.

37:47

You know, you have your Instagram friends.

37:49

You have, like, your community. and

37:51

you feel like you know these people. But

37:54

anybody new coming in, I'm

37:56

very aware of, and

37:58

I and I

38:00

really noticed tales. I notice a new person who's repeatedly

38:02

making contact. I will

38:04

block you instant instantly

38:06

before you can even hit

38:09

send on that message. Have you

38:11

had any other instances

38:13

like this with other stalkers

38:15

or anything of that sort? Being in

38:17

the public eye? No. I haven't had

38:19

anything at this level. You you

38:22

know, I don't wanna say this about people

38:24

because they're

38:27

sweet. But you

38:28

have like the superfans, you

38:30

know, like to come to every show

38:33

and sit in the front row. and buy

38:35

them merch. And and and and you ask them how

38:37

their sister is and how their mother's doing

38:39

after she had that surgery last

38:41

year, like, people get to know you, and

38:43

that that can be really

38:46

lovely. At the same time,

38:48

if you're going to do

38:50

that to an artist. If you're going to

38:52

get on their bandwagon and follow them in

38:54

that way, you've got to know

38:56

that it's a bit of strange thing.

38:58

So there's gonna be some boundaries

39:00

there. I love my fans that are

39:02

so supportive and die

39:04

hard for showing up, but you you

39:06

have to take into account what someone goes through when they're

39:09

a public figure, and you have to

39:11

respect that. And as long as that's respected,

39:13

we can have a

39:16

good time. it has affected the way that I

39:18

post. I am not one of those

39:19

people that's like, hey, guys, this

39:21

is my house.

39:23

and this is, here I am in my bathroom, like,

39:25

no, I don't let people see the

39:27

windows of where I

39:30

am because I know where

39:32

people are from windows that I've seen in the

39:34

background of their videos or

39:36

a tree that I'm like, I drive by that tree.

39:38

I know where you are. Like, I am

39:40

so hyper conscious now,

39:42

which is good for me because I used to

39:44

just be very naive.

39:46

naive And now I'm

39:48

not, so I'm grateful for

39:51

that lesson. Do you know where

39:53

your soccer is right

39:56

now? No. I am not going

39:58

to live in fear. I'm not going to live under a rock and I'm not going to shrink back and dim

40:00

my light.

40:02

I say

40:03

fuck you. I

40:05

wanna shine a flashlight on these things

40:07

that make us fearful, terrorist attacks

40:09

are in the same category.

40:11

The

40:11

point is

40:13

to paralyze with fear so can't even go to the

40:15

movies. Fuck off. I'm going to the movies.

40:17

You're not going to rob me

40:19

of my life. And

40:21

that's how I feel in this instance.

40:23

Do you think that you'll ever be

40:25

completely rid of him? Or do you think

40:27

he'll come back in your life? I assume

40:29

he will be back. I don't think you can cure

40:31

somebody of that like they say you

40:33

can't cure a

40:36

child molester of

40:38

that

40:38

that

40:39

compulsion. I or

40:41

or, like, Jeffrey Dahmer said, you

40:43

know, when when asked Yeah. III would

40:45

kill again. I'd be doing this if I weren't in jail. Yeah. Absolutely.

40:47

I don't think that you you're

40:49

cured of something like

40:52

stalking, obvious

40:53

sleep because he's just transferring on

40:55

to other people as he

40:58

goes. I would think

40:58

and I hope he knows this

41:01

if he's listening that he should be too afraid

41:03

to come back to me

41:06

again because he's

41:06

not gonna turn out well for him. So,

41:08

yeah, I I always I I do think that it's

41:11

never

41:11

over. Looking back, how do you feel about

41:13

how you're treated by the police? Do

41:15

you think that they could

41:17

have

41:17

done things differently and it would have turned out

41:20

differently? Or do you

41:22

still have any contact with

41:24

the police officers that did arrest

41:27

him? No. I

41:28

don't have any contact.

41:30

It's

41:30

strange. It's it's I don't I

41:32

don't feel angry with them or anything. I

41:35

what what it was is that

41:37

I got to witness an

41:39

inner working of something that has

41:41

been in place for a long time,

41:43

and that's not gonna

41:45

change. There's a lot. I

41:46

don't understand about it, but what I

41:48

did peek in and witness

41:51

was

41:51

shocking. Very nice

41:52

people love officers that I met. They were very

41:55

lovely to me in the room. They offered all

41:57

their support and whatever. So I don't have anything

41:59

bad to say about anybody

42:02

personally. But

42:02

the they should be ashamed of

42:04

ashamed of themselves themselves.

42:06

They

42:07

really should. The things that

42:09

people have to go through to

42:12

protect

42:12

their own safety. And

42:14

the

42:14

people who are

42:15

supposed to protect you are

42:18

just

42:18

going through the

42:20

motions, is

42:21

pretty unforgivable. And

42:24

I

42:24

think that wearing

42:27

that badge should mean more

42:29

to you than that. but again, they're part of

42:31

a bigger machine too. Like, they might come into

42:32

the force with the best intentions, wanting

42:36

to do that, You mentioned

42:38

earlier how grateful you are to

42:40

have had the access to top

42:43

level resources --

42:44

Yes. -- in your

42:46

case. What advice would you have for

42:47

someone who may not have access to those resources

42:49

and they're dealing with a

42:52

stalker? God. that's

42:54

so tricky.

42:55

I mean, I

42:57

think the

42:58

thing that combats

43:02

this form of abuse

43:04

is just awareness. So

43:06

I would say just shout it as

43:08

loud as you can from the mountaintops.

43:11

tell everyone because

43:14

there's power in numbers

43:16

and that's also why I

43:17

speak out because that makes

43:20

me feel safe.

43:22

Awareness

43:22

and power in numbers

43:24

is what keeps people safe.

43:26

And so I would say if you don't have

43:28

access to a private investigator and the cops aren't

43:31

taking you seriously, get

43:34

to a safe place wherever that is, whether it's with family,

43:36

friends, a center. I don't

43:38

know. Find a center that will protect I

43:41

don't know if it's like I

43:44

don't know. go somewhere or you can get to some

43:46

kind of safe place and start to

43:48

speak up. And

43:50

someone will help you do something.

43:53

What do you

43:54

hope? The impact

43:55

is of sharing your story

43:57

with us for anyone who's

44:00

listening? I

44:00

hope that the impact for anyone

44:02

listening is that you don't live

44:05

in fear

44:05

and you don't let these bullies get

44:08

away with

44:10

their shit. handle

44:11

it. Stand up for yourself.

44:12

That's easier said than

44:14

done because these

44:15

people have mental issues. So you're dealing

44:17

with something that you

44:20

are not you do not understand how to handle this

44:22

ultimately, so you cannot do it on your

44:24

own. But I hope

44:26

that I can lead as an

44:28

example of

44:30

being brave in the

44:31

face of something like

44:32

this, I stand

44:35

for living

44:37

in the light. and

44:39

shining a flashlight on the cockroaches and

44:42

making them scurry away back into the

44:44

darkness. I stand for

44:46

standing together and

44:48

speaking up

44:50

and not letting that win.

44:52

And that's that's that's what

44:54

I hope I pass on

44:56

I've been through it. I know what it's like. It's different for everyone. Like you

44:58

said, it's a case by case thing. You can't

45:00

tell someone what it feels like or

45:03

what to expect. I was hearing

45:05

somebody say this about grief yesterday. Everybody has

45:08

all their advice

45:09

to offer when you're in

45:10

grief. Oh, I've been there. I've been

45:13

through that. No, haven't because you haven't been through what I'm going

45:16

through. So I'm not telling people that

45:18

I know what you're feeling. I'm just

45:20

saying, just being

45:21

just just Just

45:24

fuck on.

45:25

Just be brave. Be

45:28

brave. And

45:28

careful. Lucy, what's

45:29

next for you? I'm

45:31

in the middle

45:32

of of a lot of transition.

45:34

I have my own podcast,

45:37

the Lucy and Annabelle show.

45:39

And we're coming back with our season three premier right

45:42

now. We'll talk about this another time.

45:44

But when the

45:46

stocker happens to me, I

45:48

was in the process of leaving a high

45:50

control group that I'd been a part of for

45:52

ten years under a

45:54

narcissistic abuser in the form of an

45:56

acting coach. And

45:58

recently, I was

45:58

a part of a Hollywood

45:59

reporter article that

46:02

was

46:02

shining a light on that abuse. and

46:04

I contributed on the record for the abuse that's gone

46:07

on for thirty years with this

46:09

acting coach Gloria Gifford. So

46:12

I am

46:14

Speaking out about that as well, that's what's next

46:16

for

46:16

me. I'm doing some advocacy stuff

46:18

there because I believe these things

46:20

need to be talked about. Like, like

46:23

I said, and that's how you hold each other up is by letting

46:25

people know that they're not alone. None of us

46:27

are alone. none of us are alone

46:30

So a

46:30

aside from that, I'm just really busy as

46:32

an actor and a musician. I'm I'm performing all kinds of shows, and

46:34

and I've written a

46:38

few television shows and

46:40

feature films that I'm starting my production

46:43

company to to

46:44

follow through with. I've been in tons

46:46

of pitch meetings. I'm auditioning cons

46:48

recently. And I have a few jobs

46:51

coming up of two films in

46:53

the next couple of months. and

46:55

a television show that I'm should be

46:58

hearing about any second or recurring role on

47:00

a show, so I'll be so busy. I

47:02

didn't plan on that. I

47:04

wanted to kind of chill out and relax for the rest of the year, but it

47:06

looks like it's not gonna

47:08

be for a while that I'll get

47:10

a vacation. That's

47:12

a good position

47:12

to be in. Yeah. I am grateful.

47:14

Lucy, thank you so much for joining

47:16

us. Thank you so much, Jamie, and

47:18

Jake. I really appreciate you having me.

47:21

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47:23

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