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From UFOs to psychic powers

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and government conspiracies. History

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is riddled with unexplained events. You

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can turn back now or

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learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome

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back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is no.

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They call me Ben. You are you and

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that makes this stuff they don't want

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you to know. First off, it's

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very important to all of us, just

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as individuals and on this show to

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provide credit, good and bad where credit

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is due. And in this case, we're very

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fortunate because we have a lot of good credit

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to provide and we actually might be a little

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bit late on this. We want to give

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a massive Gargangeline shout out

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to our fantastic intern,

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former fantastic former

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intern Sam T. Garden, who

0:58

had the unenvied bowl or very

1:01

enviable task of sifting

1:03

through months of email to learn what

1:05

you friends and neighbors, our

1:07

listeners, the most important part of the show found

1:09

most intriguing. You've met Sam

1:12

before? Yes, Sam was our guest

1:14

on the Golan Movement episode because of

1:16

some personal involvement in the issue

1:18

at one of the charter schools. And now

1:21

again thanks Sam for being on the show for that.

1:24

Thank you, Sam, hey. Also our super producer

1:26

Tristan McNeil. Here, Tristan, can we

1:28

have like some sort of applause queue for Sam

1:33

perfect I like that and a cranky Tristan

1:36

sound effect because he's he's mad, because I was

1:38

like to do, Oh, he's not mad. I

1:40

can see it in his eyes. He's he's definitely shooting

1:42

some emojis our way though he

1:44

writes this guy writes to us an

1:47

official work corres spot. It's

1:49

solely an emoji. Sometimes it'll just

1:51

be like a cat and I don't understand

1:54

a saxophone. And we already talked about

1:56

this on air. We have It's okay, it's a great like Tristan.

1:58

Probably I'll get his own episode one day. It'll

2:00

be all an audio emoji. Yes,

2:04

with Sam tea Garden. One

2:06

thing we want to point out is several of the recent

2:08

episodes you have heard on our show relied

2:11

on his initial research for

2:13

us, going through emails, seeing what he

2:15

thought had some sand And we really

2:17

trusted him on this and he did a

2:19

bang up job. We can't thank

2:22

him enough. Yeah, but he's back in school

2:24

now. But we can promise you that you

2:26

haven't heard the last of Good Old

2:28

Sam the sift kid Tea Garden.

2:31

What the sift kid like sifting

2:33

through stuff? Oh? I thought you meant like panning

2:35

for gold or yeah kind of yes, yeah,

2:38

he's sift for gold. Yeah. And

2:41

whether or not you are familiar with our friends

2:44

Sam Tea Garden who probably heard a

2:46

great deal about a country

2:48

called the Democratic People's Republic

2:50

of Korea street name North Korea.

2:53

And you've heard it in the news lately for

2:57

the ratcheting tensions right

3:00

as as we record this now,

3:03

um, North Korea has made

3:05

some progress in their i c b m's

3:08

intercontinental ballistic missile programs,

3:10

and the US and

3:13

North Korea are playing

3:15

a game of brinksmanship. Yeah, the DPRK

3:18

recently shot a missile across the

3:20

bow of Japan. Then they had another

3:22

missile shot down I believe by China.

3:25

So yeah, fun stuff going on. May

3:28

you live in interesting times? Right? Yeah? Exactly,

3:31

chiefs the curse that keeps on cursing.

3:34

For some background on the

3:37

truth behind the fiction surrounding

3:39

the so called Hermit Kingdom, please

3:41

check out our earlier episode on

3:43

this country, which unfortunately we may

3:45

need to update soon for sure. Today,

3:49

however, we're looking south. We're looking

3:51

at South Korea or the Republic

3:53

of Korea, that's the other half of the Korean

3:55

Peninsula in particular. We're

3:57

exploring a story about two longtime

4:00

friends, a story about corruption,

4:03

a story about religion, and a story

4:05

about the fall of a president. And murder

4:07

most foul murder, well

4:11

there is one, there is one, and murder

4:14

most foul. Seriously, all

4:16

of those things. But first,

4:18

here are the facts. So we're gonna give

4:20

you just like a quick, down and dirty, kind

4:22

of top down reader's

4:24

digest view of the past.

4:27

Uh, just for a little bit of background. So here

4:29

we go. We have two countries, the Republic

4:31

of Korea and the Democratic

4:33

People's Republic of Korea, which we're

4:36

both formed by the same historical events,

4:38

beginning with the division of the peninsula along the

4:40

thirty eighth parallel at the close

4:43

of World War two. Um. And that was

4:45

formerly a single country. All of

4:47

that, um. So then we fast forward to and

4:50

ben Bolan, Oh, yeah, I was

4:52

there. That's when the divided

4:55

haves each declared themselves sovereign

4:58

nations. So one set as we're

5:01

the Republic of Korea. One says we're the Democratic

5:03

People's Republic of Korea. The problem

5:05

is each declared themselves

5:08

the lawful governing force

5:10

of the entire peninsula. Yeah,

5:13

so, as you might imagine, this situation

5:15

was obviously unsustainable.

5:17

Fast forward to Matt Frederick. Then

5:20

we get to the Korean War, which occurred between

5:22

nineteen fifty and nineteen fifty three.

5:24

Overall throughout this conflict there were five

5:27

million, both military and civilian

5:29

casualties. And here's the thing. When

5:31

it ended in fifty three, there

5:33

was no real defining winner,

5:36

and it didn't technically end

5:38

us an armistice, right exactly. They

5:40

just decided, Okay, we're gonna stop

5:42

actively attacking each other. And

5:44

uh. South Korea then shifted after

5:47

this time back and forth between

5:49

military then democratic rule, then back

5:51

and forth and back and forth over the decades.

5:54

Right and during during this

5:56

time, from the end or

5:58

from the I guess to ation of

6:00

large scale warfare UH

6:02

to the modern day, South Korea has

6:05

struggled more or less continually against

6:07

widespread corruption in the highest government

6:09

and business offices. Part of this is,

6:11

of course due to nepotism, and that's

6:13

no different from any other country, and

6:16

part is due to the existence of gigantic

6:18

corporations with their fingers in

6:20

every single pie. These things are

6:23

huge. Yeah, they're they're

6:25

called the chable on which

6:27

I may be mispronouncing. Their massive family

6:30

controlled conglomerates with international

6:32

reach. So you can think of businesses

6:35

like l G or Samsung

6:38

or maybe Hyundah,

6:41

Yeah, checked out like Christmas in July.

6:44

These are examples of

6:46

these chable and the amount

6:48

of influence that these conglomerates wheeled

6:51

in South Korea. It would astonish

6:53

you. You your jaw would drop to

6:56

truly understand it. It would probably

6:58

confuse you too, especially if you

7:00

live in let's say the Western world.

7:02

Right. One example, in two thousand

7:05

fourteen, Samsung alone comprised

7:07

about seventeen percent of South Korea's

7:10

entire economy. And

7:12

here's the thing, don't you know, don't get

7:14

upon your high horse like, oh, well, we would

7:16

never allow that to happen in here land.

7:21

Well, they exist all over the place

7:23

in the US, the UK, France, all

7:26

these places of conglomerates. And here is

7:28

a perfect example. This is a fun

7:30

one. Lay it on me. This is new to me. Man,

7:32

The Louis Dreyfuss Company.

7:35

Have you ever heard of that Louis Dreyfuss Company.

7:38

Like a lane from Seinfeld.

7:40

Yeah, it sounds familiar, right. Julia

7:42

Louis Dreyfuss is the great great

7:44

granddaughter of the founder of quote,

7:47

the world's largest cotton and rice

7:49

trader. Hey, and also it's considered

7:52

to be the second largest player in the world

7:54

sugar market and very

7:56

soon it's going to capture officially

7:58

the third place rank king of the largest trader

8:01

of coppers, inc. And led concentrate in

8:05

this conglomerate posted a revenue

8:08

of over fifty five billion

8:10

dollars. I guess we know how Julia paid

8:12

for all those acting classes. But

8:15

but nothing against Julia and

8:18

Seinfeld is a great show. But does

8:20

this company have a podcast? There

8:23

we go? It's just crazy

8:25

to think of how like I think about that, right,

8:28

and those different like agriculture

8:30

and medals. There are

8:33

companies like that. They're you know, they're

8:35

largely out of the public eye. You won't

8:37

hear the news reporting on them as much. But

8:39

yeah, a lot of

8:41

the world's wealth and resource extraction

8:44

does come from companies like this, and they

8:47

have international reach. Can I fast

8:49

forward back to the modern day? Please? Please?

8:51

Do? We're in

8:53

the modern day perfect.

8:56

The current governments of South Korea

8:59

is the sixth Republic. It

9:01

began in nineteen eighty seven and continues

9:04

at least as we record this episode.

9:06

It's so funny to think of it like a

9:08

country forming in nineteen eight seven.

9:11

Yeah, you know, we were, we were all

9:14

alive. Then it's just I don't I don't know why

9:16

that's that's remarkable to me. I

9:18

just listen. Yeah, it's kind of like a

9:20

government. To it's more. I

9:22

guess it's more a government because they didn't change the

9:24

borders of the country. But yeah,

9:27

it also reminds me of Italy,

9:29

which has had um a historic

9:32

problem in Germany to the Yeah,

9:35

it's it's not that remarkable, but for some reason, I

9:37

just it strikes me as like, whoa a country

9:39

that formed in my lifetime. Yeah,

9:42

large enough scope, just so I can do the accent again.

9:44

There are a lot of people in this world

9:47

that at a time said, forming

9:49

your country in seventeen seventies

9:51

six, So congratulations

9:57

a role today you

10:00

watching BBC or something, are just

10:02

the Hamilton's soundtrack, That's what it is. And they

10:06

don't have British when I when

10:09

I sing it back, it's all British. King George

10:11

does. That's that's

10:13

that's a good song too. That's like, probably you

10:16

gotta have a you've got to have a large range

10:18

for that one, you know. Um. But the

10:21

here's another one. Um, South Sudan formed

10:23

quite recently in our within our

10:26

lifetimes. Okay, it's not remarkable, it's just no,

10:28

it's I think it's super remarkable. It's

10:30

weird. I collect I stand by it feeling

10:33

weird. I stand with you in the fact that

10:35

that is incredibly weird. You

10:37

know what I mean. Imagine being born in

10:40

earlier generations before the

10:42

fall of the USSR, and all of a sudden

10:44

you're like, oh, well, we had all these new

10:46

countries now, many of which I probably

10:49

can't visit. And I have to remark on the sinister

10:51

nature of your coffee cup. It has a like

10:54

a Christmas reindeer cartoon on

10:56

it, but the top is like blacked out, like it's

10:58

been spray painted over, and it's like half

11:00

of the reindeer's head is shrouded

11:02

in shadows. It's incredible, it's

11:05

a gift. Well, these

11:07

are burn marks. I was actually on fire

11:09

when when I was drinking from it.

11:12

No, this is emerged intact.

11:14

This is a great um. This is a gift,

11:16

as Matt said, from our friends Joe

11:18

and Linda. And if you look really closely,

11:21

you can read the writing under the black

11:24

part says happy holidays to conspiracy

11:26

stuff. This is a coffee cup that is

11:29

heat sensitive, so it's

11:32

so it's all black unless you pour something

11:34

hot in it, like coffee reveals the picture

11:36

and reveals the picture. Well, I'm just tickled

11:39

by all kinds of simple stuff today. No,

11:41

I think it's remarkable too. And thanks again to

11:43

Joe and Linda. Um,

11:46

I hope you're listening. And uh,

11:48

I hope that Joe and Linda, along

11:50

with the rest of you find folks forgive

11:53

me for butchering Korean names

11:55

throughout this episode. So

11:58

there's a person named Park

12:00

Gunhi was born in nineteen

12:03

fifty two. That was pretty good. Well,

12:05

we'll see. We never know what that

12:07

the emails come in right now, uh

12:11

Park. Miss Park is the eldest child

12:13

of South Korea's third president, Park

12:15

Chung ky uh. She was elected

12:18

president of South Korea in two

12:20

thousand thirteen and served until seventeen.

12:23

Wait record, scratch, pump,

12:26

yeah, pump the brakes. I

12:28

know, I know how it sounds. It sounds

12:31

pretty freaking insane for a democracy

12:33

to elect the child of a former president

12:36

to the same position, right, I

12:38

mean, what are the odds You'd have to be a pretty

12:40

corrupt country to ever allow

12:42

that to happen, especially if you purport to

12:45

be a meritocracy. I

12:48

just think it's ridiculous for any democracy

12:50

to do. We know how you feel

12:52

about political dynasties. Yeah, thank

12:55

you, Okay, alright, alright,

12:57

let me you're right it is. It is my opinion,

12:59

but technically it's unsound anyway.

13:03

Yeah, whenever your vote matters. In

13:05

South Korea, president

13:08

is elected for a five year term, meaning

13:10

President Park was set to hold office from

13:14

to teen. But as we said, she

13:16

left office in twenty seventeen. So

13:19

what happened. Scandal, that's what happened.

13:22

Yes, long story short, the

13:24

first female president of South Korea was

13:27

impeached this year. But that's

13:29

only the beginning of the rabbit hole. And

13:31

we're going to go down that rabbit hole right after

13:33

a quick word from our sponsor. Here's

13:41

where it gets crazy. So President Park

13:43

had a very close friend, a woman named Chu

13:46

sou sil. That's what we're going to uh

13:49

pronounce it as, but it's c h o O s

13:51

o O dash s I L. How else

13:53

would you pronounce that? That's how I would

13:55

do it. So too is the daughter

13:58

of this cult lead or shamanesque

14:00

if you will, named Choi ta

14:03

Men And Choi was a former

14:05

Buddhist monk. Uh. He

14:07

formed a religious group called

14:10

Eternal Life Church. Doesn't

14:12

that sound wonderful right now?

14:15

This thing in itself is relatively innocuous.

14:17

It's it's a religious organization

14:20

that he founded. Sure, great going on, you you

14:22

can do that. South Korea has

14:24

no laws barring religious practice

14:26

of any kind. And again you have to take

14:28

our word for it here. But despite

14:31

the absolutely cartoonish practice, like

14:33

Ben said, of making a

14:36

former family you know, a family member of a former

14:38

president president Uh,

14:41

it's pretty ridiculous. South Korea functions

14:44

democratically, which means citizens

14:46

have freedom of religion, they have the ability

14:49

to vote for, you know, people going

14:51

up for president. What they call a sham democracy.

14:54

He totally totally tell what mudo

14:57

is this research. The

14:59

problem is if you try applaying that across

15:02

the board and you start to realize any relative

15:04

the holes in everybody's democracy.

15:06

But anyway, that's what I'm saying. Democracy

15:09

is a bit of a magical loaded

15:12

term. But no,

15:16

I don't know. Cake. Yeah, coffee's

15:18

coffee sometimes what if it's

15:20

gluten free cake. That's

15:22

a good point. So

15:24

the Church of Eternal Life or the Eternal

15:27

Life Church saw Joy as

15:29

a messianic figure, a

15:32

self described future boot like

15:34

a prophet, a

15:36

prophet becoming a demi god. So

15:39

it's like a step up. Yeah, like The Bad

15:41

Guy and Lord of Illusions that

15:44

it was so great. It holds up to it

15:46

holds up better than you would think. You know,

15:49

what was his name? Yeah?

15:51

What I think it might have been Nicki Swan

15:55

was the magician. We're getting knock Tracker. But y'all

15:57

check out Lord of Illusions. That's an underappreciated

15:59

Cli of Parker movie. He gets maligned quite a

16:01

bit. And does I think I think he's worthy.

16:04

His short fiction is great Books of Blood and

16:06

that's a nice one. Um. Anyhow,

16:08

Choi was a close associate

16:11

of miss Park's father until

16:13

and here's the murder, most foul my friend until

16:16

her father was assassinated by Korea's

16:18

Central Intelligence agency, most

16:20

foully, And admittedly

16:23

that's what's different um with this

16:25

case versus a lot of other cases.

16:28

Of an intelligence agency assassinating

16:30

their elected leader, not

16:33

to say that happens a lot, just to say that

16:35

this is not the only example. UH.

16:38

Members officials or former officials

16:40

from Korea's CIA said, yeah,

16:43

we we shot him because we thought

16:45

he was super corrupt and we were

16:48

doing the right thing for the country. It's

16:51

bold. Uh. During the younger Park's

16:53

childhood, Miss Miss Park's childhood

16:56

and political ascendency, Choi,

16:59

the eater of the Eternal Life Church,

17:01

was a mentor figure. And this much

17:04

is acknowledged by everybody in the conversation,

17:07

UH, miss Parks supporters, miss parks opponents.

17:09

Everybody knows, um he

17:11

was somewhere like a father figure, somewhere

17:14

an advisor, you know, um. And this is

17:16

an isolated person who

17:18

has lost their parents. However, leaked

17:21

diplomatic cables from the American embassy

17:24

and Soul, the capital of South

17:26

Korea, like they came to These

17:29

cables come to us via the wiki leaks

17:31

um enterprise, which we

17:33

should also probably check back up on. Is

17:36

Julian Osan still there still in London

17:38

hanging out? Okay?

17:41

All right? Every so often

17:43

I asked Matt on air off air, what's

17:45

happening with Julian. The

17:48

quick updates usually Yeah, he's still

17:50

there, He's still there. Uh So.

17:53

Anyway, these leaked cables report

17:56

a bunch of rumors flying around Soul

17:59

that Mr Choi was

18:01

a Korean rast Sputin and

18:05

had complete control over Park's body and

18:07

soul during her formative years, and then

18:09

his children accumulated enormous

18:11

wealth as a result. I love how the idea of like Rasputin

18:15

conjures the images of like magical powers

18:17

almost, you know, or like mind

18:20

controlled abilities absolutely and just

18:22

using the phrase control over Park's body

18:25

and soul. Yeah, and he's a

18:27

puppeteer of sorts. Well, you

18:29

know, um, the historical

18:33

Rasputin is pretty fascinating

18:35

character, and I I

18:38

wonder what it means, you know, like to Knowl's

18:40

point calling someone Rasputin definitely

18:43

does have this tinge of of occult

18:46

nature, right or a cult power? That

18:48

Resputin makes a fine dark beer, is

18:52

it true? It's called old Resputin and it's delicious,

18:55

you know. I'm I'm so skeptical dark beer.

18:57

Somebody told me that Guinness is actually a people

19:00

go on againness diet, and I thought

19:02

it was a joke because dark beers

19:04

always seemed really heavy to me. It's like, you

19:07

know, I want my loaf of

19:09

bread and a glass. But

19:11

apparently I was wrong on that. Then you hear about an olden

19:13

times that people would drink a dark ale with their

19:15

breakfast. Yeah, come

19:18

on, because the water would kill them.

19:20

That's true. That's a great way to start your day.

19:22

Did you ever hear that theory that the Dark

19:24

Ages it could be chalked

19:27

up the Dark Ages being the period

19:29

of stagnation and education

19:31

in Western Europe, can apparently

19:33

be chalked up to um fundamentalist

19:36

religious practices and booze.

19:40

There's there are a couple of historians who say everybody

19:42

was just piss drunk for

19:45

like several centuries.

19:48

I think that's an oversimplification. And

19:50

speaking of oversimplifications, let's continue

19:53

with some of the backgrounds here. So, after

19:55

becoming fast forward, as we said, after

19:57

becoming president of South Korea, miss

19:59

part and her friends Miss Chew continue

20:02

to have a close relationship. So

20:05

the timeline of ms parks

20:08

fall from Grace began

20:11

in October, which was about

20:13

a year ago from now. Um,

20:16

so here's the rundown. On October

20:19

seventeen, students

20:21

protested at the prestigious

20:23

Awaha Women's University in

20:25

Seoul, which sparked a much

20:27

wider investigation into corruption and

20:30

influence pedaling in parks

20:33

Inner circle. Uh.

20:35

And then specifically we had protesters

20:38

arguing that miss Choi's daughter was

20:40

unfairly admitted to the school due to potential

20:43

influence, shall we say, from the administration

20:46

from Park's office. And then we've

20:48

got one of the weirdest little bits from

20:50

this scandal, which was the choice daughter was

20:53

able to list her champion dressage

20:55

performance on our application. And so anyone

20:58

doesn't know, that's like where the horse just

21:00

kind of steps right, like

21:03

it's almost like a little prancing. The

21:05

horse and the rider perform a series

21:07

of predetermined move moves. It's not

21:09

like jumping, it's not racing. It's like kind

21:11

of trotting in a circle. They're tapping

21:14

and like razing your Okay for every

21:16

I literally a show pony, Yeah,

21:19

exactly, for everyone who doesn't have some weirdly

21:21

specific version of synaesthesia, claar

21:24

voyance or telepathy. What Nolan I

21:26

were doing when we were trying to explain were

21:28

both us sorry hands like

21:32

like the front hods of a horse. Um

21:35

I hope that doesn't come back to hunters. So

21:38

yeah, yeah, dressage, dressage, dressage.

21:40

I think it's dressed dressage sounds more fancy. Let's

21:42

let's go with Yeah. I was gonna say that is something

21:45

I would associate with wealth,

21:49

opulence. Yeah, here we go, affluence

21:52

and influence. As it turns out, yes, because

21:54

this training was apparently paid for by

21:56

the South Korean government, So taxpayer

22:00

money essentially sent this kid to horse

22:02

school. Well they would, I'm sure they

22:04

call it at that level. I'm sure they don't

22:06

call it horse school the dorsage

22:09

academy. Yes, and

22:11

we continue, right, Oh boy

22:13

do we ever? We have October where

22:15

in the South Korean broadcaster JTBC

22:19

broke open the scandal wide open by

22:22

uncovering a tablet computer

22:25

belonging to Choi Soon still friend.

22:27

Yeah, the friend of it was a friend of miss Park, who

22:30

had no official government post whatsoever.

22:33

And documents found on this device

22:36

suggests that miss Joy had received

22:38

confidential presidential documents

22:41

and edited key speeches. So yeah,

22:43

she's editing speeches for the president

22:46

who's not officially a part of anything. And again,

22:48

I'm not, you know, clear on the

22:50

particulars of the you

22:53

know, um chain of command and

22:55

levels of clearance, I guess in this government.

22:57

But I would imagine people would have to be vetted and signed

23:00

some kind of clearance to get

23:03

these documents. This obviously

23:06

had not happened. We'll imagine President

23:08

Obama or imagine President Trump

23:11

saying, uh, saying, well, you

23:14

know, these might be confidential, but I don't keep

23:16

any secrets from a boy jelly Roll. Jelly

23:19

Roll, jelly Roll has got all these documents

23:21

on his tablet and he's just editing speeches. He

23:24

got me into that Floyd concert. This is a

23:26

man who understands the world, and I

23:28

want him working with

23:31

these secrets. Jelly Roll. Well,

23:33

it'd be one thing if jelly Roll was an

23:35

accomplished speechwriter who just wasn't

23:37

officially working on the thing, but was a friend and was

23:39

like helping him out. But if it's

23:41

somebody even though

23:44

dude, can't you I mean, in

23:46

our government, at least you know he

23:48

had just like slip people that kind

23:51

of stuff. I mean, you get a big trouble for that, like at

23:53

the highest levels. I mean I would think of I

23:55

mean confidential documents though, that's

23:58

that's a huge problem. I guess the

24:00

president has the agency to just

24:03

kind of do whatever and listen. I

24:05

don't know. It seems like in our government

24:07

we have situations where the president, by virtue

24:09

of his own office, can just kind

24:11

of like say, yeah, no, it's cool, We're just gonna do

24:14

this today, right like when

24:16

we had that discussion in Zone of Death

24:18

about whether a president can

24:20

pardon themselves, you

24:22

know. October, miss

24:25

Park admits to the country.

24:27

She says, yes, I have close ties to

24:30

Miss Choi, who is at this

24:32

time been nicknamed the Shaman Adviser already

24:34

because her father was a cult leader. And

24:36

she apologizes for causing the nation

24:39

grief, Like, my bad, I'm friends

24:41

with her. That's crazy,

24:44

alright. So then October a

24:46

little bit later, like right at the end October, and

24:50

hundreds of thousands of people began protesting

24:52

and gathering up in Soul for

24:55

the first of six giant

24:57

rallies about this scandal approach,

25:00

testing against the administration. And

25:02

this Park accepts the resignations

25:04

of several key aids who have gotten

25:07

caught up in this whole affair, which probably

25:09

means they knew about it and didn't say anything,

25:12

yeah exactly, so they got cut first.

25:15

Then On November one, Miss Choi

25:17

returns from Germany. She's been in Germany, kind

25:19

of escaping the situation

25:22

in a way. And uh, she comes

25:24

back and she gets questioned and even detained

25:27

by prosecutors to figure out what the

25:29

heck is going on. So then on November

25:31

eight, we have investigators rating

25:33

the headquarters of Samsung Electronics

25:35

for the very first time. What um. Yeah, and the company

25:38

was believed to have come under

25:40

pressure to make donations

25:43

to ms Choi. That's weird.

25:46

Samsung, all

25:48

right, fourteen sevent

25:51

of the economy Yeah, huh

25:54

So what next? Then on November twenty, Miss

25:56

Park gets accused by prosecutors

25:58

of being a conspirator

26:02

of the criminal variety in Miss

26:04

Choi's alleged scheme. So Miss Choi is

26:06

kind of, in this version like they

26:08

accused her of before, being a puppet

26:11

master of sorts, and the president is just

26:13

one of the puppets that she's manipulating.

26:16

And then on the twenty

26:18

nine of the same month,

26:20

Miss Park offers to resign but does

26:23

not say when in her

26:26

proposal. Then is dismissed by the

26:28

opposition and the protesters as

26:30

a stalling tactic of sorts.

26:33

On December six, the heads of the

26:35

country's largest companies, those tribal

26:38

we mentioned earlier are interrogated

26:40

by lawmakers in the National Assembly,

26:43

and on December

26:46

nine, lawmakers vote

26:48

to impeach Miss Park.

26:51

So what kinds

26:53

of things are being whispered into President

26:56

Park's ear Here's where it gets kind of

26:58

spooky to you know, write into

27:00

the BBC. Critics believe Choi perpetuated

27:02

her father's habits. Choi's

27:05

father being, of course, the leader

27:07

of the Eternal Life Church. Uh.

27:10

Some media reports suggested that Miss

27:13

Park held shamanistic rituals

27:15

at the presidential compounds under

27:17

choys influence. Miss

27:20

Park, for the record, denied this. Yeah,

27:25

the president holding shamanistic rituals

27:27

in and if we

27:29

apply it to the United States president, just

27:32

in our recurrent situation, President Trump performing

27:34

rituals in the White House with other people

27:36

around. You know, maybe they're not so

27:39

creepy, but but the rituals

27:42

were talking about well first, you

27:44

know, for another example, Ronald

27:46

Reagan consulted an astrologer. It's

27:49

true, leader of the free world, the most

27:51

dangerous nukes at the time, and presidents

27:54

do hang out at the Bohemian grove right

27:57

at the time of our recording, part continues

27:59

to deny any alley gaitions of participating

28:01

in cult rituals at the

28:03

Blue House, think of it as the South

28:05

Korean White House, the President's home

28:08

specifically. To answer your question, all

28:10

these rituals included, but we're not limited

28:13

to acts of alleged clairvoyance, fortune

28:16

telling, and channeling. Miss

28:19

Joy is rumored to have told Miss Park she

28:21

was capable of channeling the spirit

28:24

of the president's dead mother. Additionally,

28:27

she gave the President amulets

28:29

that had purported abilities

28:31

to provide magical protection. She

28:34

also um listening

28:36

devices. Quite possibly,

28:39

she also advised the president on

28:42

which sorts of colors to wear and when,

28:44

for example, red and white clothing.

28:47

I want to stop here before we're before

28:51

we get too far, and note that

28:53

one thing I really liked about the question you

28:55

asked no when you said, well, shamanistic

28:58

rituals. What type of these things for

29:00

someone who you know? Historically

29:03

all the US presidents have outwardly,

29:06

at least if only for the votes,

29:09

said that they were Christians. So it's kind of getting

29:11

at you mean, like, is it that bizarre

29:13

and another culture to perform

29:15

these kind of quote unquote rituals. Is it any more

29:18

bizarre than presidents holding

29:21

prayer meetings or something like right or prayer breakfast

29:23

or something. Yeah, exactly. And you know, I

29:25

really appreciate that point because I think it's

29:28

it's a fantastic points when we need to make

29:31

because there there are, um,

29:35

there are shamanistic

29:38

religious practices in Korean.

29:40

They are a part of the culture, you know. So it's

29:43

it's not necessarily, um,

29:47

it doesn't necessarily mean that this is stuff

29:49

that Choi and her father just

29:51

made up. However,

29:54

it does seem that

29:57

it does seem that the daughter took

29:59

up the father mentor role

30:02

and definitely put the kid in horse school. That's

30:05

what that thinks for sure. So

30:07

opponents of Park allege their friend

30:09

Choi was actually less like a friend

30:11

and more like a behind the scenes puppet

30:13

master, picking up where her father left

30:15

off and directing the president in matters

30:18

of state policy. We know the

30:20

choy ad access to secret government documents.

30:23

We also know that she edited

30:25

the president's speeches. But that leads us to

30:27

a couple of questions. Right, Yeah, we don't know exactly

30:30

what types of edits were made to the speeches.

30:33

On one hand, it could be as simple as proof

30:35

reading. Maybe she's just fixing some typos, right

30:37

sure, just going through right

30:39

clicking in the word document and

30:42

or whatever document and there fixing the red saying

30:44

that's actually further not farther. Yeah.

30:48

But on the other hand, Joy could

30:50

have been altering the content of the speeches, like

30:53

meaning, somebody with absolutely

30:56

zero official government position was

30:58

creating public policy

31:00

through the words of the president and possibly

31:03

even swaying these

31:06

things like whatever is happening in either the

31:08

favor of the church or in personally

31:10

choice favor. Because we know, like I

31:12

mean, speeches don't necessarily dictate policy

31:15

directly, but they can certainly

31:17

shape perception and um,

31:19

you know, the give

31:21

the impression of support

31:25

of certain things, and that matters. We know words

31:27

matter, and that can make a big difference

31:29

in you know, the way things move in terms

31:32

of actual policy. Yeah, you're you're sending

31:34

signals to the rest of your government by

31:37

saying things in public. That's just

31:39

it signaling. Yeah, and it is. It

31:41

is very important. It's a crucial component

31:43

of foreign policy. So

31:46

somebody with no qualifications

31:49

other than being someone's friend

31:51

and or manipulator had their

31:54

hands at the wheel in one of

31:56

the most um, I

31:58

would say, one of the top three most

32:02

fragile geopolitical

32:05

areas in this time. You know, what

32:08

if what if Kim John un here's his speech

32:11

that he or his advisors don't

32:13

like. You know, I

32:16

have a feeling that happens all the time. Probably

32:18

does it, Probably does. So this

32:21

is an ongoing situation,

32:23

and where does it leave us in the modern

32:25

day. We'll draw some conclusions

32:28

after a word from our sponsor, Well,

32:36

we're back and it doesn't

32:38

look good right.

32:42

Ms Park certainly did seem to be

32:44

under this way of choice influence as well

32:46

as choice fathers and heads of the corporation

32:49

involved are saying,

32:53

you know, it's fairly it's

32:56

incredibly uncommon for these very powerful

32:59

business leaders to be called into the

33:02

version of Congress. Uh. They're

33:04

saying they were coerced into donating millions

33:06

of dollars to choice organizations. South

33:10

Korea already elected a new

33:12

president, Like, how do you I'm

33:15

just wondering about being coerced into donating

33:17

millions of dollars to this stuff,

33:19

because I guess you could have. You could

33:21

threaten to impose sanction

33:24

or you know, new taxes or you

33:26

know, things that would make operating your

33:29

giant conglomerate unfeasible.

33:31

I can't imagine how much pressure,

33:34

but there must have been something there, some triggers

33:36

to pull. Well, there's also the

33:39

yeah, they're they're definitely triggers. There.

33:42

There are hard triggers, and they're soft triggers

33:44

that might not ever legally

33:46

be uh personal

33:49

stuff you're right, legal or legally recognized

33:52

as a threat to Yeah, there might be personal stuff,

33:54

um, but it might also

33:56

be something as simple as we

34:00

have new complications on building

34:02

codes, right, or

34:04

tariffs or something. You know. I wonder

34:06

if Joy threatened to

34:09

summon the dead relatives of some

34:11

of the leaders of the conglomerates. That's

34:14

an interesting idea, Matt. At this point,

34:16

we don't At this point, we don't know if

34:19

it's anything like that, and most

34:21

likely as likely as not, it would just be interesting.

34:24

Well, that's the thing. Without knowing what was

34:27

happening, right, it's it's very

34:29

difficult for people to form

34:32

uh concrete opinion or sort

34:34

of chronological chain of events.

34:37

We do know that since the tenth

34:39

of May twenties seventeen, uh,

34:42

there's been a new president in South Korea, Moon

34:44

giant in Um, who

34:48

as far as we know, is not under

34:50

this way of a cult.

34:54

As a former human rights

34:56

lawyer and chief of staff to another

34:59

former president, Romo hunt

35:02

Uh he was he

35:06

was elected with a with an okay,

35:09

okay share of the of the vote.

35:12

It seems like it in all honesty,

35:14

they just had to have a snap election to

35:16

get this other person out. Um.

35:20

So that's that's the case. So far

35:22

as this is a developing

35:24

situation, we'll probably hear more about

35:26

it. Um. It does not come at

35:29

the best time of course, geo

35:31

politically, we are

35:34

this. This is gonna come out after we recorded,

35:36

so some of the events may seem a little

35:38

bit um older or

35:41

changed even slightly, but not much

35:43

hopefully right like we are currently

35:46

recording this the day before

35:48

the DPRK is set to launch

35:51

another I C b M and they'll

35:53

be launching it on Saturday,

35:55

September nine, yepeha,

36:00

and we can do an entire episode about North

36:02

Korea's purported nuclear

36:04

capabilities plus versus

36:06

their actual nuclear nuclear capabilities.

36:10

But at this time the region is

36:13

under intense global scrutiny

36:16

and the powers

36:18

that be are are flocking there. This

36:20

is a this is going to be as

36:24

well said interests a series of interesting times

36:27

for South Korean president and

36:29

for the people of the region. Just

36:32

as a side note, I

36:35

know a few people, multiple

36:37

people, who are in the navy,

36:39

and they have been snapped up

36:42

from being on leave to go on

36:44

an adventure somewhere that they cannot discuss.

36:47

So it always makes me think, Oh, I wonder if they're heading

36:49

that way. Who knows. At

36:52

the same time, we have signals

36:56

from officials in the Russian

36:58

and US governments talking

37:00

about that are indicating

37:04

arms build up training

37:06

exercises. I

37:09

want a time to be alive. I hope

37:11

that the streak of being alive continues

37:13

not and of course we hope

37:15

that everyone hearing this is in

37:18

a safe place. Uh.

37:20

And we are

37:23

sending our thoughts and support

37:25

to the innocent people of the world because you know, as

37:28

they say, what's

37:30

that old quote, when elephants

37:32

go to war, only the grass suffers. Oh

37:34

geez, trampling on all. And

37:38

just one last thing here before we you

37:41

know, into this episode,

37:43

per se, are you doing

37:45

the voice? Do the voice somewhere? We

37:48

just have to remember in

37:50

our own country, if we look at ourselves,

37:54

the United States has an long tradition

37:57

of secret societies among the upper

38:00

echelons of our government. Yeah,

38:02

he including freemasonrya

38:06

let's say, the Illuminatis perhaps

38:08

of Bavaria, and

38:11

you know, the Bohemian grove, Skull

38:13

and Bones, all of these other secret

38:16

societies that the United States

38:18

voter just has to either not

38:21

know about or completely ignore

38:23

when they make their decision on who they're going to vote

38:25

for, because most of the people that get

38:28

up to that level have been a part of one

38:30

or more of these. You know, that's a great

38:32

point, Matt, and I'm glad you made it, because it goes

38:35

so so it's in the great interest of

38:38

people who profit

38:40

from a status quo to enforce

38:43

um disunity amongst

38:47

the bottom part of

38:49

society, right, or any lower

38:52

part of society. So often

38:54

you'll see this false dichotomy um

38:57

hinging on a political

38:59

position, ship or am.

39:03

I mean, the best is when there's blind loyalty

39:05

to a party, because when the parties

39:07

are both fingers on the same hand, then

39:10

everybody gets to have a little bit of bread and circuses,

39:13

a little bit of Facebook

39:15

liking, a little bit of clicktivism or whatever,

39:18

and feel that they've done their part for

39:20

um reproduction

39:23

or gun ownership or whatever

39:27

whatever their issue is. And

39:29

honestly, just saying it on a podcast

39:32

that I know goes out to a number of people

39:34

makes me feel good. But ultimately, what

39:36

does it do? What does it do? Right? And

39:39

the the groups

39:42

who are participating

39:45

in the just

39:49

buffoonish, buffoonish

39:52

summer camp that is Bohemian Grove

39:55

or the dumb

39:58

fraternity that has skull and bones.

40:01

I mean, look, here's the thing with tradition. I

40:06

don't have an opinion because well, it's

40:08

a very powerful organization with very powerful

40:10

people in it, and um, hopefully

40:14

those people are using their power

40:17

to keep this species alive and

40:19

push it toward its ultimate destiny, which

40:21

is expanding beyond this planet before we

40:24

destroy it one way

40:26

or another. Uh. However,

40:29

I think that it is

40:32

a lapse in critical thinking

40:34

to assume that because something

40:37

has existed for a long time, or

40:39

that because powerful people like it, it

40:42

is therefore somehow correct

40:44

or superior. I mean, look

40:47

at uh. Sadly,

40:51

there's so many examples of times

40:53

where people said, well, that's tradition or that's

40:55

how we've done it, and those

40:57

turned out to be terrible, terrible,

41:00

incredibly stupid things. And

41:03

we're still doing a lot of them,

41:05

and we can't we

41:08

as individuals, we as

41:10

groups, whatever group you align yourself with,

41:12

have to be I have to take great pains

41:15

to note that the problems

41:18

we so easily spy,

41:21

or so we easily perceive in other

41:23

organizations, whether that's a religion, a

41:26

state, or a business or a family,

41:29

whatever, a fan club

41:31

for Christopher Walkin, groups

41:33

of humans tend to have some

41:35

of the same root problems,

41:38

you know, And the same

41:40

rotten uh tooth

41:43

of corruption in the mouth of the South Korean

41:46

government um and

41:48

still exists. Right, the president was corrupt, But

41:51

we can't act like the US doesn't have its

41:53

own cavities in this terrible

41:55

analogy. Dude, I

41:58

I feel that the big thing for me is

42:00

loyalty. If you if you are

42:03

swearing an oath to serve

42:05

as a democratically elected official,

42:08

especially and in the executive office as the

42:10

president for the people, you are

42:13

you are acting as an executor

42:15

of the people's will essentially and

42:18

also you know in a way, and

42:20

that's at least what it says. But what if

42:22

you've already sworn an oath to one

42:25

of these secret societies prior to

42:27

swearing that oath. Do they

42:29

exist simultaneously? Do you?

42:32

You know, who do you serve? If you

42:34

are a public public figure, if you're

42:36

a government official, should you be required to

42:38

disclose all all

42:41

the ins and outs of those businesses or

42:44

you know, I swear like

42:46

break that oath in some way officially? Well,

42:48

then is it a violation of because

42:51

government official is still a citizen, is a violation

42:54

at least in the US of their right to privacy? Oh?

42:57

My god, you know what

43:00

anything? I don't know. I just I support the right

43:02

to you know, for a high level government

43:05

officials to have a guru of some

43:07

sort they just keep around, you know, I think that's that's

43:09

cool. Yeah, what's the point of

43:11

having a stressful job like that

43:13

if you can't have some sort of weird magician that

43:16

you come around with all the time. There

43:18

should always be resputing

43:22

a choice and still there. Uh.

43:25

You know that's interesting because we we

43:27

do know that there are advisors

43:29

in different countries that would they're doing

43:31

things that would be considered

43:34

magical acts, right like Myanmar.

43:37

Uh we're also a k Burma

43:40

had the military powers there

43:42

for a long time. Uh took

43:44

the advice of astrologers and actually

43:47

relocated the capital for that and

43:50

even magical beliefs aside,

43:53

just having a trusted confidant

43:55

or an advisor, especially if you're in a series, if

43:58

you're in a position where

44:02

several million,

44:04

several hundred million people in case

44:06

of of any US president

44:09

past n probably would

44:12

like to kill you. You know, it's

44:14

good to have friends. Sometimes you

44:16

want to go where everybody knows your name, you

44:20

know. You know, I haven't learned

44:22

much from TV and movies, but one

44:24

thing I have learned is that the

44:26

bad guy is almost always

44:28

the close trusted advisor. Oh

44:31

like Scar almost always in

44:33

the Lion King or

44:36

Iago, There's so many

44:39

A lot of times it's the magician. A lot

44:41

of times you know, it's the religious leader

44:44

just saying yeah, you know, that makes me

44:46

think, Lads and gentlemen, if you

44:49

were in a position

44:51

of immense power, or if

44:53

you are now, h do

44:55

you practice uh having

44:58

gurus? Do you have a trusted advisor?

45:01

Uh? Do you have even if

45:03

you are not in a position of quote unquote imense

45:05

power? Now, do you have a spiritual

45:07

advisor? Do you do you have someone that

45:10

has a connection to things

45:12

unseen and little understood? And if

45:14

so, do you follow their lead.

45:17

Have you met with success or

45:20

have you been burned in the

45:22

shamanistic rituals? We'd like to

45:24

Yeah, whatever the belief system, maybe we'd

45:27

like to hear from you. And

45:29

speaking of which reminds us it's

45:31

time for first

45:36

shout out today comes from Simon.

45:38

Hey from Australia, says Simon of

45:41

the show. So, I thought i'd give you

45:43

a story I heard from a friend's grandpapa

45:46

um I inserted the extra papa

45:48

um. He was in the navy in Al Salvador or

45:51

the US, and after this encounter, he and his

45:53

shipmates have never set foot back

45:55

on a boat. When they were out in the Atlantic

45:57

one night, massive swells began to form out

45:59

of nowhere, and he said something came out of the water

46:02

that was so big that his eyes were the size

46:04

of a semi trailer. It looked directly at

46:06

the boat and went back under water.

46:09

So Simon says that when they reported this to the command

46:12

they were basically dressed down by their

46:15

commanders or whatever and basically

46:17

accused of being drunk. Um. So he

46:20

swears to the story and isn't go into too much

46:22

more detail, but he hates talking about

46:24

it. Also, have you ever heard about the Westall

46:26

UFO sighting. I highly recommend you suss

46:28

it out, as Australia is known for weird

46:31

things like UFO sightings. Keep

46:33

up the good work and schedooche nice

46:37

Simon. That's a cool story. Uh, you

46:39

know the size of a semi I like

46:42

that. Yeah, I that's

46:45

a tough one. You gotta really believe that, friends

46:47

Grandpa, but you know, I believe

46:50

him, but I want to learn

46:52

more. Also, if there's a massive

46:54

storm, maybe it's

46:57

possible that something that typically would be in

46:59

the lower levels of the ocean was pulled

47:01

up to the surface momentarily. We

47:04

just came to check it out, or just came

47:06

to check it out, just to see what the happs

47:08

were. The West All Ufo

47:10

encounter is a uf

47:14

UFO story from

47:17

nineteen sixty six where

47:20

more than two hundred students and

47:22

teachers at these two schools UH

47:25

witnessed in UFO descending

47:27

on a field. And it's an interesting

47:30

case because you know

47:32

over two people, so there's

47:34

a lot of corroboration. That's a really

47:36

good point, Simon, that's a really good idea

47:39

to thank you so much for writing in and I hope your friend's

47:41

grandfather talks about it more often. That's

47:43

you'd be surprised what people can remember

47:46

when they try. The size of

47:48

a semi that keeps keeps

47:50

baffling me. I don't want to see that. Thanks,

47:52

Writing in Simon, who's next next?

47:54

Shoutout goes to Cameron. Cameron,

47:57

that's your shout out, Cameron says, I was

48:00

listening to the Lucky Yates episode, and you pondered

48:02

why aliens would analyze the ethics of abducting

48:05

humans and come to the conclusion that they

48:07

must return us to Earth after abducting us,

48:09

but that they do not have to ask permission in the

48:11

first place. It stands to reason that,

48:14

by our morality, the most

48:16

ethical way to approach an abduction would be to

48:18

ask permission first and return the abductee

48:21

to their original state afterwards. This

48:23

is a primary tenet of the American justice system,

48:25

after all. Cameron says, However,

48:28

what if alien morality does

48:30

not parallel our own? Consider a

48:33

man, a human man who's sitting on a boat

48:35

on a lake with a pole attached to

48:37

that pole as a string with a hook on the end.

48:39

This man is fishing. I

48:42

like how you're right, Cameron. Uh,

48:44

he will not ask the fish for their permission before

48:47

catching them, but there stands a good chance

48:49

that if he will not eat the fish, he will

48:51

throw it back into the lake. Why

48:53

does the man do this Well, because

48:56

humans have an ethical standard that they apply to

48:58

fishing, whereby the fishes return into the

49:00

water if it will not be eaten. We

49:02

call this catch and release. We

49:04

do this because we do not assign enough value

49:06

to the lives of the fish to require their

49:08

permission. Oh wow, right, So

49:12

is it possible that the aliens operate with the

49:14

same ethical dichotomy. Could they see

49:16

us as fish hiding underneath the

49:18

surface of Earth's atmosphere and reason

49:21

that their ethics do not require them to ask

49:23

permission of us fish human

49:26

folk, but do require them

49:28

to return us to Earth if they don't plan

49:31

to eat us and or to you know,

49:33

do something that would end our lives. Mm

49:36

hmm, you know, I I

49:38

really, I really appreciate that point.

49:41

To me, probably the stranger thing is just

49:44

how one would traverse the gulfs of

49:47

time and space. I really

49:49

love the catch and release comparison.

49:52

The reasoning here is, what do you

49:54

think, Matt, what do you think though I love

49:56

this, Cameron. If

49:59

there are in fact species of some sort

50:01

that are advanced enough to want to study humans

50:04

and this is in fact what they're doing, this

50:06

makes so much sense to me. Mm

50:09

hmm. And that that one line

50:11

in particular, we do this because we do

50:13

not assign enough value to the lives of

50:15

fish to require their permission. Isn't

50:18

it funny to how even people that are like a lot of you

50:20

know, non meat eaters, are okay

50:23

with eating fish to be like pesketarians because

50:25

they aren't cuddly, they

50:27

don't seem to have, you know, anthropomorphic

50:29

type traits. Yeah, I wonder And

50:32

if anyone's out there, like I'm interested actually to hear

50:34

what your reasoning is behind is it Is

50:36

it like a health thing or is it in fact a

50:38

kind of more of an emotional thing. It's because their water

50:41

breathers, man, they breathing air. Now,

50:43

an octopus is capable

50:46

of experiencing emotion and

50:48

recognition, right, so ah,

50:52

So if that's if it's an ethical concern

50:54

about like the ability to suffer

50:58

or have experience experience emotions,

51:01

then I guess the pesketerium shouldn't eat

51:03

an octopus. I have known pescetarians

51:05

that will not eat cephalopods.

51:08

So yeah, I mean I think it's different

51:10

for different people, but let us know. Yeah,

51:12

that's a great idea. And how can you prove if

51:14

a fish feels emotion or not because

51:17

they're always just going sorry,

51:22

I'm so sorry. Oh man, No, I

51:25

respect that we're working live all

51:27

right, Nolan,

51:30

I did a horse dance earlier. So now

51:33

now the three of us are back on even

51:35

keel, we have time one more shout

51:37

out today from recon

51:40

uh reached the name assumed

51:43

name uh. Recon says, I

51:45

just listened to the Pyramid podcast and the

51:48

part at the end where you said your conversations

51:50

normally continue at a bar somewhere. I'd

51:53

love if you all did an after hours podcast

51:55

where you were drinking at a bar and continuing

51:57

the conversation from a normal podcast.

52:01

Thanks so much, recon um drunk

52:04

conspiracy or I mean even

52:08

just like conspira drunk the

52:10

ambiance of a bar, hanging

52:12

out and having just maybe

52:14

even if it's just a beer or something with the cameo

52:17

from the bartender. Well yeah, and then just have

52:19

we could have special guests come over and

52:21

just hang out with us. You say all kinds of weird stuff.

52:23

Once you've had a logger or two. Well, yeah,

52:26

I mean, look, we're still will still listen

52:28

back and Tristan will do his magic on

52:30

whatever it is. But I can imagine something really

52:32

cool being there Tristan. You have to edit sober

52:35

though, right, That's that's the rule he's

52:37

given the no like not possible. Tristan

52:40

will be there with us and he'll edit real time

52:43

as we're going, just like cut and then

52:46

keep going. I love this. I like the

52:48

idea too. And we have you know, we have a couple

52:50

of regular spots, maybe sometime in

52:52

like October later in the year. I've

52:55

been off the sauce this month.

52:58

We both have to have a cranberry.

53:00

I didn't want to talk out of school, but yeah,

53:03

it's been pretty great. Actually, I'm I'm I

53:05

might. I might never go back. Well,

53:09

hey, if that's what you want to do, Mandy,

53:13

Yeah, uh, then I

53:15

gotta tell you, Hey, you know, the bar is not drinking.

53:17

It is actually really interesting and a

53:20

lot of fun. I went to a show the other night

53:22

at a concert. I saw this amazing band,

53:24

the O c S. If anyone's ever heard of them, or

53:26

check them out there like this, um L

53:29

a kind of garage e psychedelic

53:32

punk kind of I don't know, it's hard to even describe, but the dude

53:34

that plays guitar just blows

53:36

it up. He's amazing and he's it's it's

53:38

really really cool music. But it was one of the first

53:40

times I've been to a concert like that and

53:43

not had a drink. And I

53:45

felt so undistracted,

53:48

Like I watched the whole show, never

53:50

move, never worried about getting back the bar,

53:53

you're getting in line whatever. I felt

53:55

like it was a much more full experience.

53:57

I really enjoyed it. Not to nice, preachy

54:00

or anything. Have been kind of digging it. That's

54:02

not preachy. Got more of your money's

54:04

worth, you know. Yeah,

54:07

I went to a UH. I went to

54:09

one of our like

54:12

local bars in the area here and

54:15

I hung out for a couple of hours in my bar. Tap

54:17

was seven dollars. I got a hot dog and

54:19

fries. It was great. UM

54:22

So we're obviously into this idea

54:24

recon and UH fellow listeners, let

54:27

us know if you would want us

54:29

to take a recording out and about

54:31

in the world where it would

54:34

be believe it or not, Probably even more casual.

54:37

My thought is we could incorporate the

54:39

Lucky Yates style of

54:42

hanging out and discussing multiple

54:44

topics. I think we might be able to make

54:46

this work. Gentlemen, I'm game,

54:50

and hopefully you are. To let

54:52

us know. For now, that concludes ours

54:58

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55:00

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55:04

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55:06

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