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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Politics just got caught selling

1:01

pardons for two million a pop. Probably

1:04

heard about that people are intentionally

1:07

crashing planes and they're

1:10

not doing it as an act of terrorism.

1:14

There is a very gruesome story we're

1:16

going to get to on the African continent.

1:18

We will give you a heads up before we get

1:20

into it and may not be appropriate for all

1:23

audience members. But before we do

1:25

any of that, I

1:27

think we're traveling to Utah,

1:30

which is a there's some beautiful parts

1:32

of Utah in one a few years back.

1:34

Absolutely, we're actually, I mean, it's really

1:36

all over the world is where we're

1:38

traveling, but Utah is probably the

1:41

center of today's

1:43

story that we're going to start with. Guys,

1:45

we've talked about religion

1:48

and money on this show before. Most

1:51

often, I think we reference it when we talk

1:53

about either the Vatican in

1:55

the Catholic Church or the Church of

1:57

Scientology. I know we've discussed that before too,

2:01

just trying to estimate how much money

2:03

those organizations have and how

2:05

they get that money, what they do with that money

2:08

after it comes to them.

2:10

And I guess let's start here by

2:13

giving some estimates, some guestimates

2:16

on the wealth of

2:19

different religions. So

2:21

if we just look at the Church of Scientology,

2:23

if you google around to try and find,

2:25

like, what might the Church of Scientology

2:28

be worth right now, at least on paper,

2:31

not necessarily in some holding

2:33

account somewhere, right just

2:35

on paper, it appears that the Church

2:37

of Scientology is worth several billion dollars

2:40

that includes, I mean, you know, in

2:42

the estimates range anywhere from one point

2:45

seven to like five billion

2:47

dollars there's some there's a big

2:49

range there, but several billion dollars.

2:52

And if you think about that in the context of the Rudy Giuliani

2:55

story you just mentioned, there're been given away

2:57

two million dollar pardons, which

3:00

you know too. Well,

3:05

you're right, let's say negotiating

3:07

two million dollar pardons, which

3:09

two million dollars is a lot of money, feels

3:12

like a lot of money to me. But then when you multiply

3:14

that thing and you get in the billions, you just realize,

3:16

wow, that's a lot of money. So

3:19

let's jump to another one, the Vatican, the Catholic

3:21

Church. It's estimated to be

3:24

somewhere in the order

3:26

of eighty billion dollars, maybe seventy

3:28

to eighty billion dollars, which

3:31

is again a ton of money.

3:33

Think about the companies, the massive

3:36

corporations that have that kind

3:38

of wealth. Are there many? Not? Really?

3:41

There are a couple individuals that have skyrocketed

3:43

up to those levels, but those are

3:45

like the biggest wealthiest

3:47

players on the planet. Well,

3:50

let's jump to today's story. Uh,

3:53

the one that I the version

3:55

that caught my attention at least comes to us from The

3:57

Guardian, written by Gloria Ola

4:00

Depot I believe is how you would say that. It

4:02

was written on May fifteenth of this year,

4:05

and the title is this the

4:07

Mormon Church has one hundred billion

4:10

dollars clandestine hedge fund, says

4:12

whistle blower, one hundred

4:15

billion dollars hedge

4:17

fund. And again keyword

4:19

in that title, whistle blower. Okay,

4:22

so this story actually goes way back

4:24

to twenty nineteen, and we're going to get to that, and

4:26

some of you are probably already going, hey, this

4:28

is an older story. It is, but it's

4:31

really come to light because there was a a

4:33

CBS sixty minutes a segment,

4:36

let's say, about this specific story

4:38

where this whistle blower came on

4:40

and spilled the beans basically about

4:43

what's going on. And ultimately

4:45

the takeaway is whether or not you believe this

4:48

individual whistle blower who was deep

4:50

in the organization that he's referencing, or

4:52

you believe the official story coming

4:54

from the Church of Latter day Saints, right,

4:57

the Mormon Church. So

4:59

here we go. This person, his

5:02

name is David Nielsen, and

5:04

he worked out a place called Ensign Peak

5:06

Advisors. That's e nsign

5:09

if you want to look it up. They

5:11

were basically an investment

5:13

firm that was functioning

5:16

not as affront necessarily right for

5:19

the Mormon Church, but they were working with the

5:21

Mormon Church to manage

5:23

all of their wealth and

5:25

to move money around where it needed to go for

5:28

all the charity work that the church does,

5:30

for all of the building projects that they

5:32

have, basically any expense that

5:36

the church, they deal with that they also deal

5:38

with the money coming in from people who

5:40

are tithing. Let's say, you know, the traditional

5:42

tithe is ten percent of your income

5:44

goes to the church that you attend, and

5:47

that is the standard for the Mormon

5:49

Church. And his statement there that's

5:51

in the title of this article is

5:54

basically that

5:56

the church was bringing in money from

5:58

that tithing because they've got

6:00

millions of members, and they

6:02

were putting it in this hedge fund which was

6:04

allegedly supposed to be used for those

6:07

very things I just mentioned, right, the charitable

6:09

works, the things that are meant

6:12

to grow the church's footprint

6:15

amongst humanity, and instead

6:18

of doing that, they just kept it in there and kept

6:20

growing the account and growing the account

6:22

and growing the account of humanity. Well,

6:25

this is a really interesting thing to me because there's

6:28

quite a lot in many religions

6:30

about the end times, right, about

6:32

what's going to happen in the future. What is

6:35

the world going to look like when insert

6:38

your messiah comes back or when

6:40

the world begins to end because of whatever

6:42

apocalypse is within the scripture

6:44

that you adhere to. In

6:46

my mind, this is just my personal take

6:48

on the whole thing. It feels like building

6:51

up the bank for the

6:53

future when bad stuff happens,

6:55

will be able to exert serious

6:58

influence. Maybe, although money

7:00

may not have much meaning

7:02

by that time. I don't know.

7:05

I just could be it could

7:07

be just some other commodity that

7:09

becomes the currency of

7:11

the age.

7:12

You know, I think that's completely reasonable.

7:16

I do believe the separation of church

7:18

and state is incredibly

7:21

important. But I'm

7:25

I'm also aware of the hypocrisy inherent

7:27

in what I'm about to say. I do think

7:29

religious organization should pay taxes

7:32

at this point, you know what I mean, because

7:35

the other thing they benefit from,

7:38

like any other organization, they benefit

7:40

a great deal from infrastructure,

7:43

right from organization. You know,

7:45

Uh, churches need believers

7:48

and those believers are active

7:50

members of an economy. So

7:52

I to me it makes sense. But

7:56

also I

7:59

feel like we all

8:01

knew about the Church of the Latter Day Saints,

8:04

enormous genealogical database,

8:06

their enormous proselytization around

8:09

the world, their enormous hoard,

8:12

right, because that's ten percent

8:14

from everybody. That's a ton of money. But they

8:16

also aren't necessarily

8:19

doing any through anything wrong just

8:22

by having their members tithe, unless

8:24

they start obscuring

8:27

the amount of tithing, unless

8:29

they start playing you know, the shell

8:31

game and stuff, and that I think that's

8:34

correct.

8:34

Me.

8:34

If I'm wrong, you're Matt. But that's what the whistleblower

8:36

made news with, right, was the.

8:38

Yes, that's the old story, the

8:41

old stories taxories.

8:42

The old stories taxes. But this one is

8:46

this one gets into shell companies,

8:48

gets into stuff that we would associate with Panama,

8:51

paper level actors.

8:53

Money laundering.

8:54

Absolutely, let's get into those numbers.

8:56

So according to the Guardian, and

8:58

according to that's

9:00

known from several of the sources I've been looking at

9:02

today, there's an estimated seven

9:04

billion dollars in tithing that

9:07

comes to the Church

9:09

of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints every

9:11

year through their seventeen million

9:14

estimated members. So

9:16

seven billion a year is an

9:18

incredible amount of money and when

9:21

you're bringing that money in and you're putting it

9:23

away, depending on what you're going to do with it,

9:26

you may or may not have to pay taxes

9:28

even if you're a religious organization, because

9:31

you may be using that money for

9:33

other things that would require

9:35

that taxes be paid for it, right, or you may be

9:38

getting in money from different places

9:40

that you may have to pay taxes on. There are all

9:43

kinds of rules that deal

9:45

with like how

9:47

any organization pays taxes even if you have

9:49

an exemption of some sort the way a religion

9:51

would. And what David

9:54

is saying here is that they are basically

9:56

dodging taxes to the tune of

9:58

billions of dollars in

10:01

taxes, which which

10:03

stinks right and is not cool. But

10:06

you you know, if you look at big picture, think

10:08

about the corporations that do the exact

10:11

same thing every year to the tune of billions

10:13

of dollars, and it feels like it's

10:16

just another corporate

10:19

maneuver basically being utilized

10:21

by a church.

10:22

Yeah.

10:23

I think since the gush

10:26

in the age of the post Great Depression,

10:29

I think the average resident of

10:31

the United States has simply assumed

10:33

that the truly wealthy do not pay taxes

10:36

because you will have a team

10:39

of people with access, become

10:42

an international entity past

10:44

a certain financial threshold, and

10:46

it is just considered right and proper

10:49

business to move these things around.

10:51

And you know, we also see that the current

10:55

finds or punishments

10:57

for avoiding taxation you

11:00

usually can be rationalized

11:03

as a cost of doing business.

11:05

Not to mention, we've had some pretty high

11:07

profile figures, let's

11:09

just say, without naming names, kind of just bragging

11:11

about all those things that you're talking about, Ben

11:13

So where that might have been an open secret before,

11:17

it's just out there, you know,

11:19

by some very visible folks that

11:21

are kind of just yapping about it on TV.

11:23

Do we know what the what the consequences

11:26

might be for this religious

11:29

organization?

11:30

Yeah, no consequences.

11:32

I just

11:35

you know what I can I ask you one thing,

11:37

Matt, being that

11:39

you know this church is

11:42

perhaps prepping for an apocalypse,

11:45

you know, as you mentioned, or some religious

11:48

oriented event that may or may

11:50

not be quote unquote real.

11:53

Are there limits to what they can do

11:55

with this money and to what kinds of disclosures

11:58

they need to make? Like, are

12:00

there expectations reasonable expectations

12:02

from the Tithers as to what

12:04

their money is going to be used for. No.

12:06

I mean no, you're giving money

12:08

to an organization that is quite secretive

12:11

at the top, like most of these religious

12:13

organizations when you get the upper upper

12:15

echelons. It's not that they're being secret

12:18

because there's you know, it's

12:20

some secret society kind of thing. It's just more

12:22

like, well, hey, that's actually where the money

12:25

is, and that's where they decide

12:27

what they do with their money and make

12:29

decisions on things like dogma, right, like

12:31

what is actually what

12:33

are we actually going with as the story of

12:36

this group receiving prophecies?

12:38

Right, Yeah, that's all kinds of stuff.

12:40

Yeah. I do think we

12:43

should point out though, because I

12:45

don't want anybody to mistake this

12:48

for us dunking on religion,

12:51

even the obvious problems of

12:53

organized religion or cross platform and

12:55

so we're not dunking on the

12:57

Latter day Saints whatsoever. We've got friends

13:00

who are in the church, and I think,

13:02

you know, like you said, Matt, the vast

13:04

majority of people there are

13:07

just living their lives like anyone

13:09

else, and they are

13:11

paying a tithe. That's one of

13:13

the big criticisms is they're saying, you know, why

13:15

are you taking this from people

13:18

who are not in the best financial situation

13:20

to donate ten percent of their income, Why aren't

13:23

you helping them? And think church leadership

13:25

said that was a narrow perspective. But

13:27

I also want to point out if

13:31

you live in the US and you're not a billionaire,

13:34

then you also tithe. You just pay

13:36

taxes to the state, and

13:39

you also don't get to decide

13:41

what the state does or does not do with

13:43

that cash.

13:44

Oh yeah, and you pay.

13:45

Way more than ten percent.

13:46

Probably well, and you could argue

13:48

it's part of the belief system of

13:51

that organization to give that. So on

13:53

one hand, you're doing it willingly, but

13:55

you could also argue that, depending on your level

13:58

of belief, that it does not considered optional.

14:00

Oh yeah, dude, my parents have given ten percent

14:02

to whatever church they were going to all

14:04

throughout the years that I've known them, and

14:07

I've known them a long time, the

14:10

whole time.

14:11

Little time.

14:12

So let's let's get back to that original twenty

14:15

nineteen story.

14:17

So sure, this same whistleblower

14:19

came forward in twenty nineteen, he went directly

14:22

to the irs and said, Hey,

14:24

something is going on here at this place

14:27

that I've worked for a long time. I don't think

14:29

it's right. You should know about it.

14:31

It was in nineteen ninety seven. David

14:34

Nielsen has worked here for quite a while that in

14:36

Sign in sign Peak place

14:39

worked here for a long time. In nineteen ninety seven, one

14:42

billion dollars of that money

14:44

that comes into the Mormon Church every year

14:47

was placed into an account at insign

14:49

Peak. It was a quote reserve

14:52

fund. Now, the problem

14:54

here is that in Sign Peak

14:56

is registered as a nonprofit.

14:59

That money that was in that fund

15:02

was invested, okay, so

15:05

it was not used as like

15:07

a place where you put your nonprofit money then you

15:09

use that money as a pool to fund

15:11

your nonprofit activities. It was literally

15:14

invested in nineteen ninety seven, which

15:17

over time since then it's grown

15:19

to one hundred billion dollars. So

15:22

that's one of the big deals because if you were originally

15:25

going to, you know, put that one billion dollars

15:27

in and invest it, you would have to pay taxes

15:29

on it. You couldn't just take it

15:32

and throw it in the casino

15:34

that is Wall Street, which they did

15:36

really well.

15:37

My goodness.

15:38

Yeah, I mean there's a

15:40

positive feedback loop. The more money you have

15:43

easier it is to generate an

15:45

increasing amount of wealth. That's

15:48

that's either a flaw or a feature

15:51

of the system. No, you should also point

15:53

out it's right to be concerned about

15:56

this guy, this whistleblower. Whistle Blowers

15:58

are historically treated very

16:00

badly because they are exposing

16:04

the wrongdoing incredibly powerful forces.

16:06

Uh, he's probably gonna get

16:09

shunned by certain factions of the

16:11

church, and he is

16:13

probably gonna get criticized because I think

16:15

putting that Washington Post article you had mentioned earlier,

16:18

I think there's a potential

16:20

reward for him. So his motives

16:22

might be in question two by church

16:25

leadership.

16:25

Oh, there's definitely. Yeah, you

16:27

get a whistleblow reward right when you go

16:29

to the I, R, S or the DA or

16:32

whatever any of the alphabet SOUP, FTC,

16:35

all that stuff at s

16:36

CBS.

16:38

CNT, atf KK,

16:41

whatever.

16:41

Okay, yes,

16:45

shall.

16:46

Your award is in heaven. Your reward

16:48

is in heaven. Good sir, That's

16:50

what I say.

16:51

Sorry, guys, just say to continue here. The other thing that

16:53

they were doing is using that money to

16:56

do things like build them all on

16:59

church property, like build a for profit

17:02

mall on church property with.

17:04

Nonprofit funds only selling

17:07

religious pamphlets and accoutrement,

17:09

right.

17:10

No, probably not. But

17:13

also like there's a lot here You're right, Ben about

17:15

just that whistleblower. You may want to

17:17

take his motivations into

17:20

a question there, which you probably should. You

17:22

always should, as you said, But there is

17:24

lots of just kind of messed up stuff going

17:26

on there when it comes to are

17:29

these church funds are they being

17:31

used for what they are legally allowed to be used

17:33

for or not? Does it matter to

17:36

you listening? Does that

17:38

matter at all to you? Does it

17:40

matter to you that corporations do the

17:42

same kinds of things sometimes maybe

17:44

not exactly the same thing, but something similar

17:46

and get away not having to pay taxes

17:49

because of loopholes.

17:51

I don't know. Well, at the end of the day, I don't see

17:54

how a religion, you know, writ

17:56

large, is much different than a corporation.

17:59

You know, when they've got like branches

18:01

of their churches, they've got like divisions,

18:03

they have leadership that are highly

18:06

paid and incentivized.

18:08

You know, I really do think it's a

18:10

great comparison, And I think whether

18:13

you care or not is another issue.

18:15

But I mean the question is do the Tithers

18:18

care?

18:19

There you go, I don't know.

18:20

That's that's what interests me. Do

18:23

they feel that they've been betrayed or

18:25

are they like no, whatever you think, use

18:27

it for that.

18:28

The dynamics of social pressure are a

18:30

hell of the drug.

18:31

Yeah.

18:32

And just to end here, guys, it's

18:35

no surprise that the Mormon Church

18:37

and the officials who speak for the Mormon Church

18:39

have denied the claims that Nielsen is

18:41

making. They say, no, none of this is

18:43

true. And according to the Guardian

18:46

and many of the experts that they consulted

18:49

quote, the likelihood of the IRS

18:51

investigating Nielsen's claims is

18:54

low, so nothing will probably

18:56

come up this. But hey, it's

18:58

good to know church

19:00

has one hundred billion dollars.

19:02

Why not a yeah?

19:04

And also they do have great

19:06

marketing. They sponsored Book of Mormon,

19:09

which surprised me. But they're good

19:11

at what they do.

19:12

That's right.

19:13

Well, you can't wait to hear what you think about this story.

19:15

We'll be right back with more strange.

19:17

News

19:24

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19:29

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19:32

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19:35

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19:38

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19:41

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join us diving into a grizzly

20:01

rabbit hole. Here we're continuing

20:04

exploring the dirty

20:06

deeds of organized

20:08

religions or belief systems. This

20:11

story takes place in Khlifi,

20:14

Kenya. You may not have heard

20:16

of Good News International Ministries.

20:20

You may not have heard of

20:22

its other name, the

20:24

Servant PM Mackenzie

20:26

Ministries. And if

20:28

this ends up becoming, you know, one

20:31

of those exploitation true

20:33

crime documentaries on a streaming

20:35

service, you'll probably see it

20:38

called the Shaka Hula cult Shaka

20:40

Houla cults. This

20:43

has been brewing for quite some time. Like

20:45

as we know, you know, the African continent

20:48

is absolutely huge, and

20:51

like any huge land mass with lots

20:53

of people, there are going

20:55

to be bad actors. They're going to

20:58

be opportunities for cults organizations.

21:01

That's no different from anywhere else in the

21:03

world. I swear if you give

21:05

the people in Antarctica

21:08

enough time trapped in in

21:10

those research labs together, they will

21:12

inevitably generate a belief system of

21:14

their own. It's just how people people, and

21:17

usually it doesn't go wrong, but in this case

21:20

it went terribly wrong. This

21:23

was a relatively new organization.

21:25

It was founded about twenty years

21:27

ago, two thousand and three by a guy named

21:29

Paul McKenzie, and

21:32

for most of the time it was

21:35

just a small church. Before he

21:37

had become a religious

21:39

figure and a spiritual leader. Paul

21:42

was a taxi driver in

21:45

Nairobi, the capital of Kenya, and

21:48

he was repeatedly

21:51

This is weird. He was repeatedly charged

21:54

by the authorities, apparently due

21:56

to sermons he was conducting.

21:58

Four times this happened. He was acquitted

22:01

due to lack of evidence. So

22:03

he went and started his own church,

22:06

which happens all the time throughout human history,

22:09

and he gathered a

22:11

very large following. He had

22:13

convinced his followers that he was

22:16

an intercessor, by which

22:18

we mean that like a Catholic

22:21

priest, he could personally communicate

22:23

with God. And so if you wanted a real

22:26

line to the divine you

22:28

joined up with Paul. Then you got Paul

22:30

to talk to Heaven on your

22:33

behalf.

22:33

I've always found that to be a suspicious

22:36

sort of claim in any

22:38

religion, you know. But I guess that was the whole

22:40

beef with Catholicism that led to the Reformation.

22:43

Was that very thing, like requiring

22:45

some sort of conduit between the individual

22:47

and God.

22:49

And I would argue it goes past religion

22:51

typically, I mean siloing

22:53

information from people or

22:56

pretending to do so. It's

22:59

pretty unethnic outside of

23:01

some very specific circumstances

23:03

where you need to do that.

23:05

Right.

23:06

So this guy, We're not going to judge

23:08

whether or not he could actually talk to God, but let's

23:11

walk through a little bit of the story, because it was

23:13

brewing while people

23:15

kind of outside of Kenya weren't

23:17

paying attention. In twenty

23:20

sixteen, they like

23:23

the group Good News International,

23:26

sold their property

23:29

on the island of Lamoux

23:31

to McKenzie and

23:34

they gave him the money from

23:36

the sale. He used the money

23:38

to buy more property in nearby

23:41

cities. He funded a TV station

23:43

to broadcast his message. This might

23:45

sound like a grift, but do check

23:47

out our Prosperity Theology and

23:50

televangelism episodes.

23:53

This move that.

23:55

Some followers did created kind of a

23:57

sea change in the organization and

23:59

others. Dominoes fell, other people

24:01

started selling their property, giving their

24:03

money to the church. McKenzie

24:06

got charged with promoting

24:09

radicalization in twenty

24:11

seventeen, as well as concerns that he

24:13

was denying that his mistreating children,

24:16

not giving them access to a proper education,

24:19

healthcare, etc. Running

24:21

an unaccredited school. This also

24:23

happens a lot of times in isolated

24:25

belief systems. They want to get them young and

24:27

keep them dumb, is the way I would put it,

24:30

And maybe that sounds cynical,

24:32

but that's the mo Anyhow,

24:35

he continues getting in trouble

24:37

because children died as

24:40

a result of this lack of access

24:42

to healthcare. The government intervened

24:44

in twenty seventeen and rescued almost

24:46

one hundred children from the church, ninety

24:49

three kids in fact. Then

24:52

he was criticized for

24:55

trying to inspire children to drop out

24:57

of school without parental consent.

25:01

He was acquitted on some charges,

25:03

in one case the charge was

25:05

dropped. He was

25:08

increasingly budding heads

25:11

with the law, which is another thing

25:13

that cultic organizations tend to

25:15

follow. It's a very similar pattern. Check

25:17

out our YouTube episode on how to Start

25:20

a cult got to mention it every time, every

25:22

time we do this one.

25:23

Well, one of the main reasons he was telling

25:25

everybody not to get educated, right,

25:27

don't educate your kids, is because he believed

25:30

that he was all controlled by some kind

25:32

of evil.

25:33

Or satanic force, right, yeah,

25:36

yeah, because just like fascism,

25:38

a good cult needs an external enemy,

25:41

right, and he had

25:44

an increasingly isolationist

25:47

kind of world view. What we saw

25:49

is that this small church, everybody

25:52

recalled that it was a quote

25:54

normal church at the beginning. Do check

25:57

out an excellent New York

25:59

Times article by Andrew Higgins

26:01

that's on this.

26:03

Ben. I'm sorry if I missed this, but when you say normal

26:05

church, you're talking about like just regular old,

26:07

run of the mill Christianity.

26:09

Mm hmm, yeah, just your typical

26:11

like Honda Civic of

26:14

Protestantism. Right. And

26:17

they actually they started this church in

26:19

a home, in someone's

26:22

private home. This would have been Ruth

26:24

Kahindi. She had met

26:27

Paul McKenzie at a Baptist church nearby

26:30

and invited him to preach

26:32

the word in her home. So maybe

26:35

loose Baptist origins, you could say,

26:37

but it evolves into something very

26:40

different. Keeping control of the children,

26:43

getting them away from the evils of the secular

26:45

world, also restricting access

26:48

to kids. You know, you want to break the

26:50

familial ties, which

26:52

is one of the earliest social dynamics and kind

26:54

of replace the idea of the family

26:57

with the idea of yourself if you're the cult leader.

26:59

And anyway, so something was

27:01

coming, is what I'm saying, you know what,

27:04

like Korreesh style, there

27:06

was something that was going to culminate. And

27:08

in the early weeks of April this

27:10

year, a guy contacted

27:13

the police saying, hey, my daughter

27:16

left Nairobi to join this

27:18

commune and she hasn't

27:20

come back. And the police

27:23

arrived to investigate. That's when they discovered

27:26

absolutely terrible, terrible

27:28

things. A lot of people were dead

27:30

in shallow graves, and a lot of

27:32

people were on the brink of starvation

27:35

because allegedly McKenzie

27:39

had been escalating, just like a Korreesha

27:41

of Manson. Really, he had been escalating

27:44

his demands and the extremity

27:47

of his worldview, and he told

27:49

his followers that they had to starve

27:51

themselves in mass to

27:54

meet Jesus. Two hundred

27:56

and one people died.

27:59

He's got some now itx Joanes New World Order

28:01

stuff in there too. You know, the US, the

28:03

United Nations, the Catholic Church, tools

28:05

of Satan. They are always preparing

28:08

for the end time. But starving yourself is

28:10

not the way to be prepared.

28:12

No, it's the opposite. Ben you

28:14

mentioned the whole siloing of information

28:16

about knowledge being or I think Matt you mentioned

28:19

knowledge being controlled by some evil

28:21

entities. Does that come down

28:24

to some sort of like strict constructionist

28:26

view of like the Book of Genesis,

28:28

you know, where the tree of knowledge and

28:31

the you know, the snake representing

28:34

the devil tempting Eve

28:36

with the apple of knowledge and all of that. I

28:38

just, I mean, maybe I'm reaching there, but it

28:41

just it just seems like maybe like a super

28:43

strict constructionist view of like

28:45

that very thing, Like, no, you can't directly

28:48

partake of this knowledge. It is only for

28:50

me to divvy out.

28:52

Honestly, I'm going to be extremely

28:55

candid here this may offend some people. Honestly,

28:58

cult leaders pick and choose

29:02

whatever, like they have their pre existing

29:04

aims. Usually they want exclusive

29:07

sexual access to whatever kind of

29:09

individual they're interested in. They

29:11

want to be the only source

29:13

of attention, love,

29:17

emotive things, the only source of knowledge,

29:19

and so on and the

29:22

Bible or the religious scripture.

29:24

Any tone that they use is

29:27

only useful insofar as

29:29

it supports those pre existing

29:31

aims. So they can take, like I

29:33

like your example, Genesis, they can what

29:36

they have taken Genesis and done something like that.

29:38

Why possibly. But if there's another

29:40

verse that just helps them do whatever

29:42

they want to do, that.

29:43

Afternoon steers their narrative.

29:45

They're just going to use that and pretend that

29:47

that's what happens. You can hear some absolutely

29:50

disgusting stuff from

29:52

David Koresh's eight out eight

29:55

plus hour long speeches where

29:57

he is trying to rationalize

30:01

the sexual abuse that he is inflicting

30:03

upon the community, including the children.

30:06

This guy's no different. They're all

30:08

variations on a theme, but they're the same

30:10

genre of music.

30:12

Yeah. Absolutely.

30:13

I think this has more to do with Revelation though

30:15

than any other book of the Bible, Like what

30:18

are the prophecies of the end times and

30:20

how they're coming about, and what are the signs

30:23

within that scripture that match

30:25

up with things that are happening

30:27

in the real world today, or at least seem

30:30

to match up.

30:31

Yeah, And there are a couple of other a

30:33

couple of other religious organizations

30:37

in this part of the world and thinking

30:39

of things like the Church of Revelation

30:41

and so on. End time, Protestant

30:44

based churches and cults are

30:47

very popular.

30:47

Ben, do you mind if we get back to that two hundred one bodies

30:50

thing you're talking about. Well,

30:54

well, first of all, I think that's just how many have

30:57

been recovered thus far.

30:58

Right, it's still going on. They're

31:01

quite likely more because there's a litany

31:03

of missing people, folks whose

31:06

parents can't get in contact with them

31:08

for one reason or another. So it gets it

31:10

gets pretty rough. We also

31:13

know that the police have recently

31:15

claimed some of the bodies

31:17

they did recover were missing organs,

31:20

and Kenyan authorities currently believe

31:23

that these organs were being harvested

31:26

and sold. You can

31:28

read a write up of

31:30

this in the Citizen. Just

31:32

search online for Shakahola massacre.

31:35

And it gets worse because

31:38

people were spreading these rumors

31:41

and they may be true, but now

31:43

the Kenyan government is in full damage

31:45

control mode. The Interior

31:47

Cabinet secretary came out

31:49

just a few days ago and said these claims

31:52

of organ harvesting

31:54

are not true and

31:56

they're still fighting it. But it seems like

31:58

the locals and people in the area absolutely

32:01

do believe it's true. We should

32:03

note, obviously, Paul McKenzie

32:05

as the cult leader, like all cult leaders

32:08

are want to be, you know, spiritual

32:11

dictators. He was very much a do what

32:13

I say, don't expect me to walk

32:15

the walk kind of dude. He did not starve

32:17

himself. He has been

32:19

arrested by authorities, so

32:22

he's currently in jail

32:25

for inciting children to starve

32:27

themselves to death. He's

32:29

facing charges of terrorism, murder,

32:32

kidnapping, cruelty

32:34

towards children. We don't

32:36

know how this is all

32:39

going to play out, but

32:41

depending on how the courts choose to

32:44

prosecute it, they could prosecute this guy's

32:46

a mass murderer. And the question

32:48

is do you think they should Yes.

32:53

I also don't think Hollywood

32:55

should make this into a mini series, but I'm pretty

32:57

sure they will.

33:00

And additionally, there was another

33:03

leader, pastor Ezekiel

33:06

o'dero, of a completely different organization,

33:09

the New Life Church. He was

33:11

arrested last week

33:13

on suspicion of a mass

33:15

killing of his own followers. This

33:18

is quite a disturbing

33:21

This is quite a disturbing trend, and

33:23

it's not I mean, New York

33:25

Times did do a piece on this, but these

33:28

kind of organizations are dangerous

33:30

and there are many, many more out there

33:32

than ever make the news. The number

33:34

would surprise and disturb most

33:37

of us. So we're going to wrap this up.

33:40

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33:42

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33:45

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piece of strange news.

34:22

And this one's a doozy.

34:26

It's got all the all the hits, conspiracy

34:29

cover up, social media,

34:31

megalomania run amuck.

34:35

Let's just jump right into it, skydive

34:38

right into it. The individual

34:40

in question today, Trevor Jacob

34:42

twenty nine years old

34:45

of Lumpoc, California, which

34:47

I'd never heard of until looking into this story,

34:51

has been brought up on charges

34:55

obstructing federal investigation

34:58

pertaining to a YouTube video

35:01

that he made about a year ago. Trevor

35:03

Jacobs Trevor Daniel Jacobs was

35:06

a professional was is whatever,

35:08

a professional snowboarder. He

35:11

was actually in the Sochi Olympics and

35:14

has since seemingly pivoted to sort

35:16

of YouTube adventure

35:18

type videos, like the kind of like stuff

35:20

you see on like I used to see on Red Bull

35:23

a lot, you know, like skydiving, paragliding,

35:26

flying planes, doing stunts, all

35:29

that kind of stuff. And you know, as

35:31

we know, folks like that the Red Bull

35:33

case in point, like

35:35

to get sponsorships and content creators

35:37

on YouTube. You know, they do not

35:40

make their money by YouTube monetization

35:43

alone. Because I think the metric there

35:45

is I don't know if it's changed, but I was always told

35:47

it was something in the neighborhood of a

35:49

million views is a little

35:52

less than one thousand dollars, you know, the way it

35:54

adds up. I think it's maybe the whatever

35:57

it's called, the CPM, I think is something

36:00

in the neighborhood of like five

36:02

to six dollars, so perly

36:04

is like a thousand views that gives you

36:06

about five bucks. So's yeah.

36:08

Unfortunately, from experience, we can

36:11

confirm that I always found the idea of YouTube

36:13

millionaires to be a

36:15

no disrespect, it's it's a legit way

36:18

to make a living.

36:19

Uh.

36:19

You used to find it to be a bit laughable.

36:21

And you've got you've got your beauty pies

36:23

and your you know whoever that other guy

36:26

ister beasts and all of that, who

36:28

had who get just gajillions of views

36:30

by doing these crazy stunts. So, of course,

36:33

because it's such a select few of the folks

36:35

that actually command that kind of money, uh

36:38

from you know, not to mention their sponsorships,

36:40

but just from like YouTube views alone, it's

36:43

kind of created this pretty toxic

36:45

culture of people trying to mimic that, you

36:47

know, to do everything they can to reach that

36:50

height of YouTube stardom. And

36:52

that is unfortunately the case with

36:55

with mister Jacob here, Trevor Jacob.

36:58

He there's a there's is a really

37:00

interesting story. This took place over a year ago.

37:02

But this investigation by

37:04

the FAA, or actually

37:07

more specifically the Central District

37:09

of California, the

37:12

United States Attorney's Office of the Central District California.

37:15

This investigation is just now kind of has

37:17

come to light in terms of like releasing

37:19

the information to the public. He

37:22

has pled guilty to the substruction

37:25

charge. So let's just kind of go through it from

37:27

the star. Basically, what happened is this guy bought

37:30

a nineteen forties aircraft.

37:33

And it's really neat because if you watch the video

37:35

of him doing this thing where he's flying

37:37

this plane allegedly. I don't want

37:39

to like totally for this guy on the bus, but he claims

37:42

that he's going to paraglide

37:44

on this particular cliff, this particular spot,

37:47

and he has the ashes of

37:49

a fellow YouTube adventurer buddy

37:52

of his with him, and he says, Okay, I'm

37:54

gonna take this plane, go to the spot paraglide

37:57

and my buddy's honor and scatter his ashes

38:01

conveniently covered by multiple angles

38:04

mounted on the plane, mounted on his person,

38:07

mounted on what ultimately ends up being his skydiving

38:10

set up. He flies a plane. Oh

38:12

no, the engine is died, the engine has failed,

38:15

and then he proceeds to say, oh out

38:17

loud, very conspicuously. There's nowhere for

38:19

me to land. I got to bail out. So he jumps

38:22

out of the plane, free falls for

38:24

an absurdly long time while

38:26

holding a selfie stick no less, and

38:30

then he kind of curves around in such a way where

38:32

he gets the footage of the plane crashing

38:35

and stuff like, it's all just too good.

38:37

It's like this cinematic you know, really

38:39

is. Then once he lands,

38:42

he stumbles through all this brush

38:45

and he's like, ah raw, he was making real

38:47

hay of it. And he doesn't

38:49

go looking for like some

38:51

sort of help or station, of some

38:53

sort of ranger station. I'm not you know, I'm not sure exactly

38:56

what you'd be looking for. This is very much

38:58

wilderness. He hikes back to the

39:00

site of the crash,

39:03

and he claims

39:05

that he's doing it once again conspicuously,

39:08

kind of out loud, because he thought he had

39:10

some water in there. But all

39:12

of these intrepid YouTubers that have been dissecting

39:14

this video for a year's time, there's

39:16

tons of him. They almost have more hits

39:19

even than his video. I think he's racked up about

39:21

of four million hits. But now it's

39:23

really become just this whole like dissecting like

39:25

what is real, what is theater

39:28

kind of aspect of this, and these are all like varying

39:30

degrees of professional aviators, you know

39:32

that are saying, Ah, it's kind of weird

39:35

that he opened the door

39:37

before he said how loud, that he was having

39:39

engine trouble. That's that's something

39:41

that's cited in the press release from

39:44

the attorney's office. Huh,

39:46

why does he have a fire extinguisher stuffed

39:49

into his pant leg?

39:52

Hmm?

39:53

Why is he carrying a glock that's strapped

39:55

to his chest? You know, so it is

39:58

legal.

39:58

It is illegal to purposely

40:00

crash a planet circumstances.

40:03

It's well,

40:05

the felony here is the obstruction part.

40:09

I think I was one of the YouTube guys

40:11

whose name is escaping Me but really

40:13

really really interesting went through the video

40:16

kind of like you know, frame by frame. He

40:18

pointed out that if a crash happens

40:20

and the plane is unmanned, it's

40:23

in this weird gray area where it's like

40:25

it's is it an incident? Is it

40:27

a crash? Is it an accident?

40:30

Like there's all these terms that like aviation

40:32

lawyers and like, you know, the proceedings around these kinds

40:34

of things use. He

40:36

apparently didn't think he had

40:38

to even report it to the FAA.

40:41

He was informed by some colleagues

40:44

or folks you know, at the airport where he uses

40:46

there in Lompoc where he took off from that he definitely

40:48

definitely did so. Two days later

40:51

he reported to the FAA and they launched

40:53

an investigation. All the while there's

40:55

these folks he's put this video out. It's like, by

40:58

the way, this is all I mentioned. The whole sponsorship

41:00

thing. He this thing most sponsored

41:02

by like a company that makes this like kind

41:04

of rugged wilderness wallet. And

41:06

the very first thing he done was before he takes off,

41:08

is flash this wallet and do his little plug

41:10

you know for this wallet. Yeah,

41:13

And basically what it amounts to is in

41:15

the press release, they

41:18

say that when they contacted him the FAA

41:21

to you know, conduct, to get his cooperation

41:24

to conduct the investigation, he

41:27

was asked where the coordinates

41:29

of the flight the crash site were.

41:32

He said he didn't know. He said he couldn't

41:34

find it, he didn't know where it was. But

41:36

then it was determined that he definitely knew where

41:38

it was. It's in the video he said he couldn't find it again.

41:40

I guess he went back

41:43

there with a helicopter that he hired

41:46

and scooped up the wreckage of the plane,

41:50

took it back to the airport, dismantled

41:52

it, and then disposed

41:54

of it in various dumpsters,

41:57

you know, around the airport. And like, I

42:01

just don't understand why he would have done that.

42:03

Uh, it just you know, he went back to

42:06

the plane. It's in the video. He obviously needed

42:08

to recover the memory cards,

42:10

you know, from those cameras. And when you watch

42:12

the footage, like it's it's alternating between like

42:14

multiple angles and then like he but

42:17

one of the big things that comes up in the commentary

42:19

around this from other pilots is like, it

42:22

makes no sense that he would have hiked back to the plane.

42:24

That makes no sense. It's just like, that's

42:26

not what you would have done, Ben, I see you not because

42:29

you're you're a go back guy. You're

42:31

like a prep kind of minded guy.

42:33

You were a boy scout. You wouldn't do that.

42:36

That would be a dangerous thing to do.

42:38

Well, Uh,

42:41

it makes sense to go to the crash site. If you're

42:43

an unfamiliar territory, you want

42:45

to be where you can

42:48

see our troubles are. No, you

42:50

want to not the Cheers theme song.

42:52

Uh.

42:52

If you are in a in an airplane

42:55

crash and you're lucky enough to survive, you

42:57

you probably do want to stick by the crash site

42:59

if possible, because that's where

43:01

the authorities are most likely going to find

43:03

you. If it's something inhospitable, like

43:05

crashing over open water, then you're

43:07

just going to have to try to get to land because open

43:10

water also is not the best

43:12

unless you have some kind of flotation device.

43:15

I think what sticks out here is that this

43:18

guy didn't know what he was doing. Clearly,

43:21

he knew a little bit about

43:23

how this would get a

43:25

lot of engagement a plane crash,

43:27

but it sounds like he didn't even know it was illegal,

43:29

and then when he did learn it was illegal, he tried

43:32

to cover it up, but just

43:34

not too well. You know.

43:36

Yeah, that's a really good point, Ben. I

43:38

think you know some of the folks that found it suspicious

43:41

that he returned to the crash site. There's one

43:43

YouTuber. Let me see if I can find it, because it was

43:45

very very good. He

43:48

actually used a lot of like Google

43:50

Earth. There's a thing called Google Earth Studio

43:53

that I was unaware of where you can like recreate

43:56

certain conditions, you know, with the sun

43:58

and all that stuff, retrace certain paths. And

44:00

this guy, YouTuber Jeff Harris kind

44:03

of traced the path of his

44:05

flight, you know, what time he took off

44:07

based on where the sun was, and then the

44:09

trajectory of his landing, and realized

44:12

that there's all this stuff that doesn't

44:14

line up with the timing that he claims. And

44:17

he thinks that he went to the site multiple

44:19

times to stage the footage of

44:21

him, like, oh, I'm hiking to the site. Oh no,

44:24

I mean the brambles raw, And

44:26

like he even points out that he has a different

44:28

growth of stubble in certain shots,

44:31

you know, Like he did this over the course

44:33

of several visits. There's

44:35

even like one shot where they highlight somebody

44:37

maybe in the background. You know, like

44:39

he did this with intent.

44:43

You know, like obviously whether he knew it was

44:45

illegal or not, you know, is debatable,

44:47

but like he the only reason he would have hiked

44:49

back to the crash. Your point is absolutely

44:51

validant. And he makes it real clear out loud, Oh

44:53

I had to get the water. There was water in here. But

44:56

like he even changed his

44:58

trajectory of his pair shoot

45:00

landing in such a way that he could

45:02

get the best footage, like of the

45:04

air, of the overhead of the plane.

45:06

And at one point he's using a selfie stick with

45:08

a go pro camera. On the other hand,

45:11

he's got his iPhone. I mean, it's

45:13

just like, this guy's in it for the footage,

45:15

and it's very clear all of these other YouTubers

45:17

are pointing all this stuff out, so it's

45:20

just wild. For four million views,

45:22

roughly four thousand dollars, this

45:25

guy's facing twenty years in federal prison.

45:28

He'll probably only have to serve a percentage

45:30

of that.

45:32

I think the fact that he copped a plea, or

45:35

that he entered a plea of guilty was

45:37

probably with that. There was some you know, understanding

45:40

of leniency to some degree.

45:43

But I don't think he was expecting

45:45

any of this at all. To

45:47

your point, been you know his his did

45:50

he didn't he know or whatever? That's

45:52

I think clear that there was he had a very foggy

45:55

understanding of how this was going to be perceived.

45:57

Maybe he did understand that the aviation's community

46:00

was going to eat him alive, and that just by the virtue

46:02

of the fact that it was going to generate a lot

46:04

of like reposts and like, you know, analysis

46:07

videos that was going to serve his cause and

46:10

maybe up his views, which you know it did to

46:12

a degree. But four million, that's that's

46:14

not that's not enough to put

46:16

yourself in this kind of risk.

46:18

So well, how much did he pay for the plane?

46:21

Well, that's not clear either, but it was a vintage,

46:23

you know, a nineteen forties plane. He

46:26

bought it just a couple of months before he did

46:28

the stunt, and it's like a

46:30

classic plane, taylor Craft.

46:34

I'm not sure if it's taylor Craft or if it's

46:36

just a tailor and they call it a craft.

46:38

That's what people often in the aviation community refer

46:40

to airplanes ass because that's what they are. But

46:43

they're you know, one of the guys that did

46:45

some really great analysis on this has

46:47

a YouTube channel called like flight plan

46:50

or something like that, Gush Darted. I'm

46:52

really screwing up here forgetting this guy's

46:54

channel, But he interviewed the original

46:56

owner of the plane, and that guy was

46:59

like this, this is a bummer. You know, this

47:01

is not what you do with a plane like this this

47:03

is like a piece of history. And it also apparently

47:06

wasn't particularly skyworthy, like

47:08

it really should not have been

47:10

flown. It was being sold for parts.

47:13

And there's also a part where another

47:16

YouTube channel kind of dissection

47:18

of this, points out that when the propeller

47:20

stops, there's a phenomenon

47:23

in these types of planes called windmilling, where

47:25

like the propeller will continue to spin

47:28

just because of the trajectory of it through

47:30

the air, and it's like, you know, it's these are

47:32

the kinds of planes that you have to like hand start,

47:34

I think to some degree, you know, the nineteen forties

47:37

planes, So it would continue to spin unless

47:39

you got you slowed yourself down,

47:42

like intentionally to a point

47:44

where you were at like what they call stall speed.

47:48

And you can see him pumping the yoke,

47:50

which is like you push and pull on these planes

47:52

on like what looks like a steering wheel. It's like

47:54

a much older school kind of it's not a stick

47:56

like on more modern small aircraft. So

47:59

you see him pushing and pulling this

48:01

thing from a distance, you know, because it's the outside

48:03

shot, and the guy's like, why is he doing

48:05

that? Oh, I think he's trying to

48:08

slow it down and get it to stallspy for

48:10

the dramatic effect of seeing the propeller

48:12

slow to fully stopping, because

48:15

that would not happen if you just were like genuinely,

48:18

oh the engines died,

48:20

it would keep spinning. But visually, for

48:24

drama, you need it to be like do do do

48:26

do do Dooche douche,

48:28

And that's what he was doing. Also, he conspicuously

48:32

had one of the fuel lines disconnected

48:35

from one of the sides, and I think or

48:38

some folks, you know, experts in this think that

48:40

he was he had he was burning

48:42

off every last bit of fuel in there

48:44

to keep it from exploding when

48:47

it hit. Wow, I

48:49

this.

48:49

Is uh, this is a good timing because

48:52

this reminds me of an episode that we

48:54

recently recorded on Frederick Valentych,

48:57

who was a pilot

48:59

who does not seem to have purposely

49:01

wrecked his plane, but it's absolutely in the

49:04

cards. And it inspired

49:07

me, based on our conversation, inspired

49:09

me to actually pull the trigger. You

49:11

guys, I'm going to start working toward

49:13

a pilot license.

49:14

What Yeah, because we don't want.

49:16

To be in a situation where we need to fly but

49:19

we can't. You know, situations

49:21

you get, you know, I have become strange,

49:24

we get in situations. Louis got like, it's

49:27

it's weird though, because I'm bringing

49:29

this up since we've got a lot of people

49:31

in the aviation community who are

49:34

regular listeners, fellow conspiracy realists,

49:36

I'm interested in how

49:38

much of a splash this is made in

49:40

the aviator

49:43

community, or it has something like this

49:45

happened before. Has someone previously

49:48

purposely wrecked a plane for clout? It

49:51

just seems like a very weird grift.

49:53

Yeah, we got a couple of names now. Trent Palmer is

49:55

another one of the YouTubers, the aviation community

49:57

kind of YouTubers, and his whole point was

50:00

that this guy has screwed it up

50:02

for the rest of us, you know, because he pointed out

50:04

that in the United States we have some of

50:06

the most let's just say

50:08

welcoming aviation rules

50:11

in terms of like people that can fly

50:13

their own private planes for for fun,

50:15

you know, for sport, and

50:18

that he used the expression aviation

50:20

FAA regulations are many of them are

50:22

written in blood, meaning that like

50:25

it takes someone dying or being

50:27

seriously injured to like alter these

50:30

or create new ones. And in

50:33

the era of the social media

50:35

clout and all of this kind of like a

50:37

striving to be this social media

50:40

star. This guy clearly was, you know, pushing

50:43

for it could bring to light

50:45

things that could cause the FAA

50:47

to clamp down and make it

50:49

more difficult for regular

50:52

rule following pilots

50:55

to not be able to do things that they have typically

50:58

enjoyed being able to do. So that

51:00

was a big part of it. Not to mention, we haven't eve talked about

51:02

it. I mean, like he crashes

51:04

an unmanned plane into a national

51:08

park for all ten tents and purposes.

51:10

I don't think that's necessarily how it was categorized. But

51:12

everyone that I was reading and listening to and reading

51:14

the comments on their life, people are there, people

51:17

camp down there, people like hike

51:19

down there. He could have killed somebody

51:22

for what you know, four million you two

51:24

views and a wallet endorsement.

51:27

I'm sure it's not going to come close to even

51:29

putting a dent in his legal fees. And

51:31

now he's facing prison time. So that's that's

51:34

all I got. This guy's kind of an aphole, That's

51:37

what it comes down to.

51:38

You know, Well, it's the main character

51:40

syndrome so common in social

51:43

media these days. You know, like I've

51:45

been following TikTok cringe videos

51:48

on Reddit and stuff like this. But folks,

51:50

we know you are

51:52

not purposely wrecking a plane

51:55

for fun. If you're purposely wrecking a plane,

51:57

I think it's fair to say we assume you

51:59

have a very reason and you have to. But

52:02

Noel, thank you for this amazing story. Matt,

52:04

thank you for bringing us the

52:07

disturbing peep behind the curtain

52:10

of the finances there

52:12

in the Church of Latter day Saints. And

52:15

hopefully you can help us

52:18

find more little known

52:20

cults in the world in your neck

52:22

of the global woods, something we could put a spotlight

52:24

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