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From UFOs to psychic powers

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and government conspiracies. History

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is riddled with unexplained events. You

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can turn back now or learn

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the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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production of I Heart Gradios How

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Stuff Works. Hello,

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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name

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is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined

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as always with our super producer Paul

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Mission controlled decade. Most importantly,

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you are you, You are here, and that

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makes this stuff they don't

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want you to know and hoof, this

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is a doozy. But first, as we've

0:42

been doing recently, let's let's check in. Uh,

0:45

Noel, how are you doing? You're doing okay. I'm

0:47

still kind of nursing this scooter injury

0:49

to my arm. I'm at about maybe

0:52

last time, I was at sixty five, steadily

0:55

on the mend. Yeah,

0:58

you've been shaking hands with your right end.

1:00

Yes, but it really sucks when someone

1:02

has a really, really powerful handshake.

1:05

It sets me back a couple of percentage points. Powerful

1:08

handshakes. There's such a literally

1:11

a weird flex. I think so too. What

1:13

about you, Matt, how's it going. I've been

1:15

practicing my power shakes, my power

1:17

handshakes. You

1:20

know, I'm great. Everything's everything's

1:22

good. There's a new Magic the Gathering set

1:24

coming out one of our one of

1:26

our super mods. I believe it was Zach

1:28

who recently had a birthday, So happy

1:31

birthday to use Zach. Uh just

1:33

pointed it out. We were talking on our

1:35

behind the scenes chat. Nice. I'm

1:38

still behind on all that I need to catch up again,

1:40

but happy birthday, zach in. Thanks for letting

1:43

us know. And your birthday is coming up as well,

1:45

so act surprised and don't buy any

1:47

magic cards. So well, you know what. We

1:50

all have the same birthday month, right, except

1:52

for Paul, except for Paul on Manoun

1:54

Paul Mission Control. Paul, I believe is in September.

1:57

Paul, how are you doing? Thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs

2:01

up speaking, yes,

2:03

he does well. Speaking of birthdays,

2:06

Uh, we're going to talk about something that

2:09

that occurs on well around your first

2:11

birthday and then in theory and then continues

2:14

to happen to you and Uh

2:17

in scheduled times throughout your life,

2:19

depending on where you live and if

2:21

you decide to do it, if you can or

2:24

cannot, again depend on where you live, because in

2:26

some places it is mandatory no if sands

2:28

or butts, and before we

2:30

tell you the episode. For everyone who doesn't

2:33

read the titles before they before

2:35

they listen, Uh, what

2:37

we're exploring today is going to be a bit of

2:40

a hot topic, even for us, not the

2:42

store us. So as you're listening

2:44

along, don't hesitate. If you have input,

2:46

feel free to just pause the podcast

2:49

and give us a call. Yeah, one three

2:51

three std w y

2:54

t k uh.

2:56

You have three minutes. You can call

2:58

back if you need to ex bound further, but

3:01

make the best use of your time, and most

3:03

importantly, let us know if you do

3:05

not want us to air what you said.

3:07

We're not going to stop the show to take your call, but we will

3:10

get it eventually and then, um, you know,

3:12

use that on a later call in show.

3:14

That's right. And by the way, we have entirely too many

3:17

messages right now for me to go through all of them,

3:19

so we might have to divide that up. That's right,

3:21

Yeah, Matt, that's on my list. I will

3:23

I will take some of this burden off you, and

3:25

thank you for being a one man army there. Just

3:28

give me that ring Central log in and I'll

3:30

get the appen have it on my phone so it wakes me

3:32

up in the middle of the night too. And

3:35

speaking of speaking of waking

3:38

up or being woke, we

3:40

are finally doing it. Folks,

3:43

fellow conspiracy realist, true believers

3:45

and hardcore skeptics alike. This

3:47

is the episode on vaccination,

3:50

Paul, can we get a dramatic sound cue?

3:55

Perfect? Depending

3:58

upon who you ask, vaccines

4:00

are either absolute lifesavers, human

4:02

lives, not the candy which is awesome favorite

4:04

flavors cherry obviously, or

4:07

if you ask someone else, they may be something sinister

4:09

pushed upon the population through

4:11

false and misleading information. For

4:14

our part here, we wanted to

4:16

explore this by looking at the

4:18

history of vaccination, the history

4:21

of anti vaccination movements,

4:23

sort of the shadow of vaccination is that

4:25

has been there for as long as widespread vaccination

4:27

existed, and the current state

4:30

of health today, with a little bit about

4:32

the trends going into twenty

4:35

and the near to mid future.

4:38

Spoiler alert, we do not get to everything

4:40

that will probably have to be later episodes about

4:42

this, related both to feedback

4:45

from our fellow listeners and

4:48

different topics such as UH,

4:50

forced vaccinations in the

4:52

military or in prisons and so on. However,

4:56

at the offset. We need to be very

4:58

very crystal clear. Year. We

5:00

do have an agenda. We have We have

5:03

a single agenda the four of us in today's

5:05

episode, and that is tracing the causes

5:07

and motivations behind various allegations

5:09

of conspiracy in this subject. We

5:11

were not prevented from making

5:14

this episode, nor were we warned

5:16

against it. We were not told

5:18

to find some specific conclusion

5:20

by any third party. I know a lot

5:22

of folks have written to us and said, uh,

5:24

I Heart is making you do things. Guys

5:27

are show they

5:30

don't even listen to it. Yeah, Heart, Heart

5:32

does not care what we do. We've got bigger

5:34

fish to fry, exactly exactly.

5:37

To be completely clear, We've never been

5:40

told what to do or not to do ever,

5:42

no matter what the parent company, and this is absolutely

5:45

no exception, right right. A

5:47

few years back, I think

5:49

we mentioned this previously a few years

5:51

back, we were asked by Discovery

5:54

Communications to do one

5:56

thing, and I talked about this, and here's where

5:58

it gets crazy. We were asked to

6:00

do a They put out this fairly

6:03

exploitative, manipulative thing

6:06

purporting to be a documentary about the discovery

6:08

of Mermaids, and they asked us

6:10

to do an episode as if it were a real

6:12

thing, and we refused. We

6:15

just made one about the folklore about

6:17

surrounding mermaids. Right,

6:20

we were super We were super

6:23

shady to to our parent company

6:25

the entire time. And that's where the line between

6:27

like sponsored content and fake

6:29

news kind of comes into play, right, Like

6:32

it's one thing to do kind of a hoax show to

6:34

try to prop up some kind of like you know, big

6:37

event television thing, but

6:39

it's another thing to say, well, hey, okay, y'all do

6:41

your thing, but we're going to do something that maybe is

6:43

in the same vein as this. But we're not going to be your

6:45

Patsy's and pretend like mermaids are real.

6:48

Yeah you want us talk about mermaids, Okay,

6:50

Well we would have anyway, but

6:52

we're not going to We're not going to actively

6:55

lie to people, and we're definitely not talking about

6:57

mermaids today. No, no, not unless

6:59

there's a big plot twist that comes in while we're

7:01

recording. So the

7:03

only people who mattered

7:05

to us in terms of this show

7:08

are going to be the people listening.

7:11

So the only folks who ever told us they'd

7:13

like to hear this topic on air, were your

7:15

fellow listeners and our own. So

7:17

let's get started. The human species.

7:20

There we are, UH picturesques in your

7:22

head. The human species has a long, long

7:24

history of distrusting vaccines,

7:27

and in recent years, especially in the West,

7:29

this has become a hot button issue

7:31

all over again. UH Mission Control

7:35

wanted wrote to us off air, wanted

7:37

us to want to make sure we mentioned Jessica

7:39

Biel is a new UH,

7:41

a new UM. I

7:44

guess they're called anti vaxers now, I

7:46

don't. I don't know about that kind of labeling

7:48

as a thought terminating cliche. But yes,

7:50

a lot of celebrities are picking this up, similar

7:53

to the way that many celebrities in years

7:55

past fell for the

7:58

UH propaganda about a flat

8:00

at Earth propagating on Twitter. It's

8:02

so look, you know, it's it's a hot

8:05

button issue now. Regardless of where you fall

8:07

in the in the conversation, a

8:09

few people have probably already pulled up their

8:11

email or paused the recording

8:13

to dial our phone number

8:16

and start writing to us. So this leads us to the question,

8:18

what the hell has been going on here and for how

8:21

long? To answer that question, we

8:23

have to define what a vaccine is

8:25

So here are the facts. A

8:28

vaccine is UM a substance

8:30

that's used to stimulate UH

8:33

antibodies or the production thereof

8:35

and it it's meant to be a

8:38

guard um to increase

8:40

immunity or provide immunity UM

8:42

to prevent diseases

8:45

that are you know, able to be

8:47

prevented by these vaccinations UM.

8:50

And they are prepared

8:52

from basically a little piece of

8:54

that disease. That's the idea. Yeah,

8:57

yeah, exactly, We're creating

9:00

an antidote from the original poison.

9:02

Essentially, to quote our science,

9:04

from dilated people's into paraphrasem.

9:06

So this is treated. Vaccines

9:09

are treated just as you said. No, they act as

9:11

an antigen without inducing

9:13

the actual disease. And antigen is a

9:15

toxin or other foreign substance

9:18

which creates an immune response

9:21

in the body and helps your body

9:23

teach itself to fight a disease.

9:26

So I was thinking about awkward comparisons

9:28

or analogies to this. Imagine if

9:31

you could, uh, you could be shot

9:33

with a rubber bullet, would function

9:35

like a bullet, but not kill you, and then later

9:38

it just made you immune to bullets.

9:40

That's kind of that's that's

9:42

very imperfect but it's it's kind of similar

9:45

thinking, except in this case vaccines

9:47

actually work, uh, and it's

9:49

a powerful It's a powerful thing. The question

9:52

is what are they meant to do and how do they

9:54

work? The concept of vaccination

9:57

is old, old, old, old old. Several

9:59

years ago we had an animated

10:01

show for children called Stuff of Genius,

10:03

where we looked at great inventors

10:05

and inventions, and we learned

10:07

that in school, many

10:10

children, especially in the West, are taught

10:12

that the first vaccinations occurred due

10:14

to the efforts of a man named Edward

10:16

Jenner. Edward Jenner, according

10:19

to the story, learned to successfully inoculate

10:21

people against smallpox by infecting

10:24

them with another related disease, cow

10:26

pox. In seventeen ninety six,

10:28

he inoculated a thirteen

10:31

year old boy with vaccina

10:33

virus cow pox and

10:35

then demonstrated that this immunized

10:38

the kid to smallpox. In sev the

10:41

first smallpox vaccine hit

10:43

the hit the mainstream right it was developed,

10:45

and it is okay, I don't want to dismiss

10:48

this guy. It is true that Edward

10:50

Jenner changed the world. It is true

10:53

that he is responsible in a very

10:55

large and profound way for widespread

10:58

smallpox vaccination. How Ever,

11:00

a lot of people are taught and have

11:03

been taught that he was the first person to

11:05

figure this out. That is categorically

11:07

untrue. Vaccines and vaccination

11:09

techniques are much much much older.

11:11

Yeah, you go back to Buddhist monks

11:14

who would actually like take some

11:16

snake venom into their body, like they would drink

11:18

it just enough to get or

11:20

to confer immunity to it or at least to get some

11:23

immunity to this to a snake bite while

11:25

they're walking around. And then you can also look back

11:27

even um, well even back to

11:29

the seventeenth century in China when

11:31

there is a thing called vary elation where they would

11:33

actually smear um

11:35

like cow pox on their body,

11:38

like they would just put it on their body and then

11:40

they would be immune to smallpox in the same way

11:42

that Edward Jenner used, or a similar

11:45

way that Edward Jenner used. It makes me think

11:47

of like, who's the first one to decided I'm going to eat

11:49

this mushroom and you know see what happens.

11:52

Yeah, it's it's it's genius, but it's also

11:54

so risky, you know, because I mean, yeah, like if

11:56

you're doing this thing with a snake venom. Surely

11:58

someone took too much and and someone

12:01

had to try it again, take just the right amount to

12:03

get the immunity. It's to say, mean, it's like a

12:05

weird kind of like blunt instrument

12:07

version of science, you know, but with human

12:09

lives kind of as the collateral damage.

12:12

Yeah, it's sort of. It's it's brute force hacking

12:14

with high attrition. We had talked

12:16

about this too with an episode

12:18

we did earlier on heroin

12:21

and opium. You know, heroin

12:23

and opium have done horrific things

12:25

to the worldwide community, but

12:28

you have to at some level just

12:30

respect the ingenuity. It's impressive

12:32

how somebody figured out they saw

12:35

a poppy plant and then ultimately

12:38

they said, you know what, I

12:40

bet there's a way to

12:42

invent syringes to to

12:44

distill this into something else.

12:47

Is gonna milk that poppy something

12:49

like that. So

12:51

so there's there's this huge, uh,

12:54

this huge swath of human

12:57

experience that has lost to time when

12:59

we talk about this, Accounts

13:01

from the fifteen hundreds describe

13:04

what is clearly smallpox inoculation

13:06

in both China and in India.

13:09

Uh. There's a guy named Joseph Needham who

13:11

wrote a book called Science and Civilization in

13:13

China, and he talks about this in volume six

13:16

and then in the Life and Death of Smallpox.

13:18

Uh, it's noted that in the late sixteen

13:20

hundreds, an emperor named Kang Shi,

13:23

who had survived smallpox as a child,

13:25

had his children inoculated. He was

13:27

an early proponent of this and

13:29

the Yeah, the method that he used

13:32

was pretty gross. They would take they would

13:34

take actual smallpox scabs, they

13:36

would grind them up like mortar and pestle

13:38

style, and then they would blow that into

13:40

people's nostrils. Yeah,

13:43

and hence the inoculation you can

13:45

get by spraying in your nose now insulflation.

13:49

Right. Uh. It's difficult to pinpoint

13:51

when this actually began, and some

13:53

sources will date this back as early as two

13:55

hundred BC, but that's

13:59

still I mean, and that's debatable. Nobody nobody

14:02

was really saying, hey, let's record

14:04

this for posterity. It's going to change the world,

14:06

at least not to the degree that you

14:08

know, historians would hope nowadays, but whatever,

14:11

and whenever. The origin of this technology over

14:14

the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, systematic

14:17

implementation of mass smallpox

14:19

immunization eventually

14:22

led to the eradication of smallpox

14:24

in nineteen seventy nine in the nation. That

14:27

was a doozy of a sentence, ben, I love it. It

14:30

was across the world. No, no, I know, but you but you

14:32

had a lot of like immunization, vaccination

14:35

implement Sometimes

14:38

they get carried away. It was. It was

14:40

brilliant. I had to end it within the nation. But as you

14:42

say, Ben, no, this is not just national, this

14:44

is global. It's so crazy to actually

14:47

kill a disease. Bill Gates is actively

14:49

working. Well, that's what he says on this sort

14:51

of stuff. And then we have several

14:54

other big highlights

14:56

in for the pro vaccination

14:58

community. Right then you have Louis Pasteur

15:00

who was working live, as we say, with

15:03

attenuated live attenuated cholera

15:05

vaccine and inactivated

15:07

anthrax vaccines UM, working

15:10

with human subjects in seven

15:12

and nineteen o four, respectively for each of

15:14

those vaccines. Then there was plague

15:16

vaccine, big deal was also

15:18

invented in the nineteenth century. Between eight and

15:21

nine fifty we started to see

15:23

bacterial vaccine develop

15:26

um and that included the basilist

15:28

columnat Gouran BCG vaccination.

15:30

But I'm pronouncing that right, which is very much

15:32

still in use today. That's the thing about

15:34

a lot of this stuff, right. Uh, it doesn't

15:37

get much better once you figure it out, Like that's

15:39

the puzzle piece, you know. Well

15:41

there, I mean, there are there are some

15:43

things we got wrong or but

15:47

but yeah, these are these are incredible

15:50

breakthroughs. I mean, I I don't know. I

15:52

mean, maybe there's a hot take. Uh.

15:54

And this is just my personal opinion. I try

15:56

to keep my personal opinion of the show for

15:59

big deal issues. But uh, I would

16:01

say I'm anti plague and I'm glad

16:04

that I don't have it. It's a good idea. I

16:06

think that that's a very respectable position. Maybe

16:08

that's a hot take. Uh. Nineteen twenty

16:11

three, guy named Alexander Glennie

16:13

perfects a method of inactivating

16:16

tetanus tocsin with formalde

16:19

hyde from alde hyde is bad for

16:21

you. So that's one of our first dings

16:24

against the vaccine. There. The same

16:26

method that he used was used

16:28

to develop a vaccine against diph theory

16:30

A in nineteen twenty six, the same

16:33

year that this building

16:35

where we record the podcast was constructed.

16:38

Oh yes by a man named

16:40

Mr Sears. Yes true. Uh

16:43

And then there was the Pertussis vaccine

16:45

development. It took a lot longer

16:48

and the first uh, the

16:51

first good vaccine version

16:53

of that was legal

16:55

to use in the U. S and N. But

16:58

the development was a lot tougher than the five

17:02

UM. We had lots of developments,

17:04

advancements in viral tissue culture

17:07

methods that led to the advent

17:09

of the polio vaccine, the

17:12

salk or inactivated polio

17:14

vaccine, and the saban which is

17:16

the live attenuated oral

17:18

polio vaccine. Polio was a

17:21

ravaging disease. I mean, it was such a problem

17:23

for children. It was very communicable.

17:25

Clothes had to be burned. It was just absolute,

17:27

almost its own kind of mini plague, as

17:30

the President's had. That's right, because no

17:32

one was safe because there was no way around it. And

17:34

now it's sort of like a distant memory

17:37

in most of the world hopefully.

17:39

Yes, Uh, let's let's

17:42

look at the other side of this. While

17:45

we talked briefly about the history of vaccines,

17:48

and you can find some wonderful work on this and

17:50

in the other podcasts which were glad to recommend.

17:52

If you're right, there is also a history

17:54

of vaccine resistance, or what

17:57

is sometimes called vaccine hesitancy

17:59

or what is sometimes called anti

18:01

vaccination movements. It's

18:04

tough to conjecture how local

18:06

populations felt about ancient

18:08

vaccination attempts. What you want

18:11

my scabs, grind them up, blow them

18:13

and whose knows why? These

18:15

are good questions, But more modern

18:17

vaccination technology has met

18:20

some form of organized resistance

18:22

since literally the early eighteen

18:24

hundreds, right when the first

18:27

widespread vaccination about smallpox

18:29

came out. For some parents,

18:32

the smallpox vaccination process

18:34

itself induced just

18:36

horror and terror and protests.

18:38

And it's no wonder because Matt,

18:41

you you had mentioned this before. Could you describe

18:43

the method a little? Uh? Sure?

18:45

So the first thing you do is you take a child's

18:48

arm and then you cut into it so

18:50

that there's open flesh there.

18:52

Then you take the lymph, kind

18:54

of the seepage out of somebody

18:57

who had a blister of small policy.

19:00

Someone else, a person too, who

19:02

has smallpox. You take that stuff,

19:05

that liquid, and then you

19:07

put it into that person's arm.

19:10

Yeah, and this person their only

19:12

qualification needs to be that they are alive,

19:15

and they were vaccinated about a week

19:17

earlier, and so it gave blisters time

19:19

to form. Uh, This means

19:22

that the person could be a stranger, they

19:24

could be someone who is a different

19:27

religion, ethnicity,

19:29

or community, all three of which were huge

19:32

deals back then and for some

19:34

people still are today. And then now that

19:36

person's blood or

19:38

their bodily fluids are literally going to be

19:40

in your child. Phrase it that way. That's

19:42

how people. That's how people felt about it,

19:45

and a lot of folks who objected to this, including

19:47

local clergy, believed that

19:49

the vaccine was un Christian

19:52

because it came originally from an

19:54

animal. Yeah, definitely, and it

19:56

will. Thinking about all of that stuff,

19:58

it really gives you a picture of the concept

20:00

of herd immunity, which is the whole

20:02

point of a vaccine. Right You were literally

20:05

sharing from one person to the next to

20:07

make sure that we're all going to be immune to a disease.

20:09

I don't even like to drink after people, you

20:11

know what I mean? On a fundamental

20:13

level. I get this. One time

20:15

I was hanging out with a family member and they

20:17

were thirsty and they drank some water and I was like,

20:20

burn it down, that's yours. Now, I'm

20:22

not. I'm not. I don't care how

20:24

related we may or may not be.

20:26

For for other people who are against

20:29

this movement. Originally, right when

20:31

it was still very new, they didn't

20:34

trust the smallpox vaccine because

20:37

they were in a way they

20:39

were they were skeptical of

20:41

the science as it was at

20:43

the time, because they said, you

20:46

know, doctors, what do doctors know? It's

20:48

not so long ago in this part of the world,

20:51

when being able to cut hair meant that

20:53

you were also qualified to perform

20:55

amputations because you had you know, cutting

20:57

tools already was laying around, and you under

21:00

too how the body works, as we'll get your

21:02

tools exactly. And

21:05

so they objected to edward generous ideas

21:08

about how smallpox

21:10

spread. They said, no, you're being

21:13

foolish. This is fake news,

21:15

unproven science. We all

21:17

know based on our personal

21:19

feelings and our personal opinions

21:22

that this spreads because of quote decay

21:24

in the atmosphere. It does not. Lastly,

21:27

many people objected to the vaccination

21:30

process because they thought it violated

21:33

their personal liberty, their individual

21:35

rights, and this just

21:37

became worse as the government

21:40

of the time developed mandatory

21:42

vaccine policies. Because if you want

21:44

to make anyone to hate anything,

21:47

just make it mandatory, right, there's gonna

21:49

be at least one person who was like, this is

21:51

b as the revolution begins. Now

21:54

it does not matter what it is. And that's when

21:56

you get the Vaccination Act of eighteen fifty

21:58

three, which ordered mandatory vacts nations for

22:00

infants up to three months old. And

22:02

then you had the Act of eighteen sixty

22:05

seven that extended the age requirement to

22:07

fourteen year old um and it

22:09

added some penalties for

22:12

refusal to do so. Right and

22:14

these laws were met with immediate and vociferous

22:16

resistance from citizens who demanded

22:19

not only the right to control their own bodies,

22:21

but those of their children. And

22:23

they said, you know, big government

22:25

has no place telling me what to

22:27

do with my family. Uh. The Anti Vaccination

22:30

League and the Anti Compulsory Vaccination

22:33

League formed in response to these mandatory

22:35

laws, and a lot of journals

22:38

popped up that were touting the

22:41

advantages of avoiding vaccines

22:44

and the disadvantages of having them. In these

22:46

marches were huge. There was one in March

22:48

of eighteen eighty five in uh

22:50

Lyster which was the most

22:53

notorious of its time. Eighty

22:55

thousand to a hundred thousand protesters.

22:58

They were they had an effigy of Edward

23:01

Jenner, they had a bunch of like

23:03

fake baby coffins as these

23:05

carrot top style props. And

23:08

again, this is like a hundred thousand people

23:10

in eighteen eighty five when there were way

23:12

fewer people in general. So that's

23:15

that's fascinating. This was a huge issue.

23:17

But this so far has all been Europe. We're

23:19

talking Europe. Now. Let's talk about

23:22

the Anti Vaccination Society of America,

23:24

which was founded in eighteen seventy nine.

23:27

And it was founded because there was a guy who was

23:29

a sort of a polemical

23:31

controversial medical figure,

23:34

a guy named William teb He

23:36

was from Britain, and he visited the

23:38

States, and then after he visited people

23:41

really took up the torch. And

23:43

then this was far from the only anti

23:45

vaccination league. It is, and we're also

23:47

gonna see, weirdly enough,

23:50

that echoed in the modern era where

23:52

a British UH scientist

23:55

who's working in this area goes

23:57

to the United States and starts a

23:59

move foreshadow and yes, indeed,

24:02

um, yeah, you've got two other leagues, the New

24:04

England Anti Compulsory Vaccination

24:06

League, These UH names

24:08

are pretty great. You've also got

24:10

the Anti Vaccination League of New

24:13

York City. So that's eighty

24:15

two and then eight which also the

24:17

New York one has some modern successors

24:19

today it does. So the

24:21

American anti vaccinationists,

24:24

they were, um, you know, they're engaging in court

24:26

battles. They were trying to repeal a lot of these

24:28

laws that were the compulsory ones that they

24:30

named their uh, their institutions after.

24:33

And uh in several states they're working, including

24:35

California, Illinois, and Wisconsin.

24:38

And uh you would see it just continue to

24:40

grow there, the the anti vaccination movement.

24:43

Yes, uh. And then in

24:45

the ninet and seventies and eighties, there was a

24:47

period of increasing litigation regarding

24:51

vaccines, and this also led to decreased

24:53

profitability, or it occurred

24:56

concurrently in step with decreased

24:58

profitability for vaccine manufacturers,

25:01

and this led to a decline in the

25:03

number of companies producing vaccines.

25:06

Yes, big farming is already very deeply

25:08

employee here or whatever you want to call

25:10

it, right, profit motivated medicine

25:13

one of the uh. Some will

25:15

call it necessary evil, some will call it

25:17

one of the greatest missteps of our species.

25:20

That's uh, it's definitely

25:22

gonna be on us at some point the

25:24

bill comes due. Uh. So This

25:27

leads to what could have been a very dangerous

25:29

time for people who are pro vaccination or

25:32

you know, as they would phrase it, anti disease.

25:35

However, the decline gets mitigated

25:37

because something happens in the US

25:39

in nineteen eight six. It's called

25:42

the National Vaccine Injury

25:44

Compensation Program. And

25:47

that's this was made because

25:50

it is true that in some cases

25:52

this is according to Health Resources

25:54

and Service administration of the US,

25:57

in some cases vaccines

25:59

can cause very serious problems. The

26:01

one most often cited on their side

26:04

is the severe allergic reaction

26:06

that can affect some people depending on the vaccine

26:09

and their personal reaction to it. In

26:12

these cases, this compensation

26:15

program may provide financial

26:17

compensation to people who filed

26:19

petition or found to be injured

26:22

by a vaccine that is covered by this

26:24

stuff. And this doesn't cover all vaccines,

26:27

but it did stop that decline.

26:30

People felt a little less unsafe. The

26:32

legacy of this era lives

26:34

on in the present day in supply crisis

26:37

and continued media efforts

26:39

by a incredibly

26:42

dedicated anti vaccination lobby.

26:44

Anti vaccination groups continue today.

26:48

Two thou eighteen survey by Zogbye

26:50

Analytics found that nearly twenty of

26:52

Americans, about one in five people believe

26:55

vaccines are inherently unsafe.

26:57

So what gives why some

27:00

people convinced there's something more to

27:02

vaccines than saving lives and preventing

27:05

disease will tackle the answer

27:07

after a word from our sponsors.

27:15

Here's where it gets crazy.

27:18

So there's a route to this issue, and

27:20

it's it's threefold, right. Yeah,

27:22

First, you're going to get into some kind of

27:25

religious objection to doing

27:27

this, whether it's something that's actually

27:29

written in a scripture, in a text somewhere

27:31

that just talks about putting um

27:34

other people's blood into your body, or just you

27:36

know, some small thing like that. And also just

27:38

you know, into specific

27:41

religious reasons for not wanting to do this, or

27:44

or even even the idea

27:46

that this is an attempt

27:48

to shirk a duty

27:51

or trial sent by a religious authority.

27:54

It is not our place to

27:57

go against the judgment of God.

28:00

God has a plan and if I am to be sick,

28:02

I will be sick and uh, and

28:04

He will make me better as well. Then

28:06

you've got concerns about personal liberty,

28:08

which is you know, I think that's right

28:10

on the face of it, as we talked about with anything

28:12

being mandatory, like if if

28:15

I do not have a choice to do this, then

28:17

uh, I'm not going to agree

28:19

with it, um or at least I'm going to

28:22

object to it. And then the third is skepticism

28:24

or just all out rejection

28:27

of the benefits that we all humans

28:29

get from vaccination. And it's also

28:31

accompanied by the belief of vaccines, you know,

28:33

have harmed people over the

28:35

course of the history of using them

28:38

um and specifically though the belief that

28:40

vaccines in general hurt people more

28:42

than they help them, and more so, I mean, that's the one

28:44

that really leans more into the conspiracy

28:47

realm, where there's this perceived

28:49

agenda that vaccines are used

28:51

as some sort of controlling factor or

28:53

some sort of this whole mandatory idea

28:56

is the government, you know, it's it's

28:58

just the thing they don't want us to know, you know what, what

29:00

the vaccines are actually doing. It's the

29:02

one that's stuck around for the longest at least,

29:04

yet it has the most stame power by

29:07

far. Now, those those first uh, those

29:09

first two objections still exists,

29:12

and you can see modern cases of religious

29:14

objections, and you can see modern cases

29:17

of you know, forget the science. This

29:19

is a matter of personal philosophy

29:22

and uh, your your

29:24

control ends where my personal

29:26

space begins. The argument

29:28

of liberty and these

29:32

uh, these objections, the ones

29:35

from the stame power, the skepticism

29:38

about the science. They

29:41

go through a gamut of responses. Some will

29:44

purport to be based on science, and we'll look

29:46

at that more in a second. To some that

29:48

would be you know, be

29:51

called more conspiratorial. And

29:53

in the mainstream media. In

29:55

the nineties seventies, the DIP theory of

29:57

tetanus and produces our dt

29:59

pvaccine was blamed for neurological

30:02

conditions in some British children, even

30:05

though numerous other studies

30:07

and subsequent studies indicated there

30:09

was no close association with their quote

30:12

brain disease, that's what they call it. They

30:14

said it just biologically wasn't possible

30:17

for the method or the

30:19

mechanism that the vaccine used to

30:21

cause uh malfunctions

30:23

in neurological systems. And even though

30:25

historically that was what was found

30:28

when that nineteen seventies DTP

30:30

vaccine saga that was occurring,

30:33

you will still have groups who believe that

30:35

you know, this, this concept that there was no association

30:38

coming from studies performed by doctors,

30:41

and this is one of the you know, as we get into the more

30:43

conspiratorial things, people will outright

30:45

reject that conclusion and

30:48

continue to believe that, no, that is an

30:50

example of vaccines

30:53

being harmful, or question the source. So

30:56

now you know, history doesn't repeat,

30:58

but it does rhyme, as it's so often said.

31:01

Let's look at the concept

31:04

of mercury health effects

31:06

allegations of neurological damage. In

31:09

nineteen a

31:11

British gastro enterologist named

31:13

Andrew Wakefield published a report

31:16

that uh linked

31:18

the combination Measles

31:21

moms and Rubella or MMR vaccine

31:24

to autism and bowel disease

31:26

in infants. This vaccine

31:29

had been more or less routinely

31:31

distributed since the early nineteen seventies.

31:34

First things first, if this is

31:36

true, if the science bears out, then

31:39

this is a tremendous problem because

31:41

tons of people have had this vaccine.

31:44

This needs to be solved yesterday,

31:46

you know, before this thing publishes. But

31:48

the problem here is that subsequent researchers,

31:51

nearly all of them, were unable

31:54

to reproduce Wakefield's results,

31:56

and that's very important in studies. In

31:58

two thousand four, an investigation

32:01

by The Sunday Times revealed

32:03

that he had in fact fabricated

32:05

his research. So the Lancet

32:08

where this was published with Drew's report, and

32:11

Wakefield was barred from

32:13

practicing medicine in the United Kingdom.

32:16

That's when he moved to the US and

32:18

he doubled down on his claims. He said

32:21

that, you know, he alleged there was a conspiracy

32:24

by the academy or the powers that be to

32:26

shut him down. And this is where the

32:28

echo of William teb comes in exactly.

32:31

And he directed a film

32:33

called Vaxed from Cover Up to Catastrophe

32:36

in twenty six which several of us have probably

32:38

seen. I watched as well. This

32:40

was not a fringe figure at

32:42

this time, not near as much as some

32:45

some of us might think just hearing that information.

32:48

In fact, he attended the inauguration

32:51

ball of the current president in

32:53

ten so it's not

32:55

like he is um it's

32:57

not like he's being entirely dismissed in the US.

33:00

Right, and then

33:02

going back to the claims of

33:05

the claims that there is a poisonous

33:08

ingredient in vaccines, right,

33:10

that the rubber bullet is still a bullet.

33:12

Uh let's talk about something called

33:15

theomercial or thimerosal as

33:18

it's spelled differently in the UK and US.

33:20

It's an antifungal preservative and it's

33:22

been used in small amounts in different

33:25

multi dose vaccines. Multi

33:27

dose vaccines. It doesn't mean

33:29

that you get dosed for multiple

33:32

diseases. It means that the vaccine

33:34

comes in a container or a vial and

33:37

you use it for multiple patients. Right,

33:39

like two leader of soda here,

33:42

you would you would expect your friends

33:44

have cups, were not just each guzzling

33:47

one unless it's a game night, right. Uh.

33:50

So this stuff, this anti fungal

33:52

substance was included in these

33:54

vials and these multi dose vaccines to prevent

33:57

them from becoming contaminated

33:59

as they were you across

34:01

multiple patients. So it

34:03

works as a preservative. It's

34:05

controversial because this substance contains

34:08

mercury, which studies

34:10

do conclusively show is super

34:13

bad for you. Don't play like you Have you

34:15

ever played with a thermometer? Do you guys ever break

34:17

mercury into it? Yeah,

34:18

it's so cool. It's

34:21

not. It's not a good idea.

34:24

Don't do it it amidst poisonous fumes.

34:26

Don't let it touch your skin, but man, and

34:29

really don't drink it. Ever, Let's

34:31

say you're working with a Flint River, don't don't

34:33

drink it or you know, even if

34:35

you watch T one thousand in the Terminator

34:38

films, don't try to build one out

34:40

of mercury, which is what I did. That was week

34:42

with metal liquid mental.

34:44

Without getting off to far

34:46

off track, here, did you see with the the

34:49

Flint River water crisis.

34:52

Yeah, there's an update with all that. Yeah,

34:54

the claims got rejected. Yeah,

34:56

they're they're shutting down essentially the prosecution

34:59

or that they're not going to prosecute anyone,

35:01

but they're gonna reach like reinvestigate.

35:04

Basically the water still burns. Yeah,

35:07

that's the problem. Yeah, those people are probably

35:09

not going to see a day in jail. The folks

35:11

who were who were largely

35:14

responsible, And to

35:17

be fair, there's a little we did an episode on this, we

35:19

did. It's just it's an important

35:21

update, Yeah, because once something

35:24

leaves the news, it's it's

35:26

very easy for the legal shan against

35:28

to begin when the world doesn't have its eye on things

35:31

right. So, yes,

35:33

mercury is terrible. Apologies

35:35

to Flint, Michigan. We've had, And thank you so

35:37

much to some of our fellow listeners

35:40

who wrote in from Flint and the surrounding

35:42

area to let us know that this

35:44

story continues even if CNN

35:48

is not paying attention to it. And in

35:51

that case it was led by the way, I don't know why my tangent

35:53

went from mercury to lead contamination.

35:56

Contamination. Uh. And also,

35:59

yeah, when I say the water are still burns, it's a bit

36:01

hyperbole. The places where water

36:03

tends to burn our places that have

36:05

been contaminated by tracking,

36:08

Yeah, which is a real thing. Still

36:11

back to vaccines in the

36:13

c d C Center for Disease Control

36:15

itself the subject of no

36:18

small amount of conspiracy theories, and

36:20

the American Academy of Pediatrics

36:22

or the a a P asked vaccine

36:25

makers to remove this theomercial

36:28

from vaccines as quickly as possible.

36:30

They said, just to be safe, Just

36:33

to be safe. Mercury is

36:35

bad for you. We all know that. Let's let's

36:37

get it out of here. He's out of here three strikes, or

36:40

before three strikes occur. Let's

36:42

not hit anyone with this. So now

36:45

this substance is absent from

36:47

the vast majority of vaccines in Europe

36:49

and the US, except for some

36:52

preparations of the flu vaccine,

36:55

So make your choice.

36:59

No, no, no kidding, d kiddy. Uh,

37:01

there are trace amounts that are in some

37:03

vaccines due to production

37:06

processes. What that means

37:08

is that the people actually manufacture

37:11

the vaccines, who are not necessarily

37:13

the people who invented or discovered them, say

37:16

hey, we've got the system in place. It already

37:18

works. It's tremendously expensive and

37:21

may be dangerous for us to change it, so

37:23

we have to keep this in and for

37:26

anyone wondering, Uh, this

37:28

mercury mercury bearing substance

37:31

occurs at around a maximum

37:33

of one microgram in

37:36

some vaccines. That's about cent

37:38

of the average daily mercury and take in

37:40

the US, which is a thing in

37:42

case you didn't know that, there's

37:45

daily mercury intake for all seafood

37:47

fans out there, there's allowable limits

37:49

of all kinds of toxins.

37:52

Yeah, rat vcs and cereal. I

37:54

mean that's how it works. Uh,

37:57

that's

37:59

of the daily and take for US adults.

38:01

Uh, two point five percent of the daily

38:04

level considered tolerable by

38:06

the World Health Organization who, yes,

38:10

Yes, the World Health organization to

38:14

the presence of this

38:17

mercury varying substance and vaccines

38:19

is one of the primary reasons that some

38:21

people in organizations link vaccines

38:24

and vaccinations to incidencies

38:27

of autism. What

38:30

exactly is autism other

38:32

than something deserving an episode entirely

38:34

of its own? Will answer this after

38:36

a word from our sponsors,

38:44

We've returned. Autism

38:47

as it's commonly called, or autism spectrum

38:50

disorder a s D, as

38:52

its named officially, refers to a broad

38:54

range of conditions. They're characterized

38:57

by challenges with social skills, repetitive

39:00

behaviors, speech, and nonverbal

39:02

communication. According again

39:04

to the CDC Centers for Disease

39:06

Control, autism effects

39:08

an estimated one in fifty

39:10

nine children in the United States

39:13

today. We know there's not saying

39:16

saying something First off, autism isn't

39:18

cancer, But saying something is

39:21

autism is a lot like saying something

39:23

is cancer. It's sort of an umbrella terms

39:25

for many different types of things sum

39:29

so important, uh, and

39:31

they're most often influenced by a combination

39:34

of genetic and environmental factors.

39:37

Science, even now in twenty nineteen,

39:39

is still attempting to understand

39:43

how those factors combine to

39:45

create UH conditions

39:47

or events on this spectrum, and

39:50

how best to uh

39:52

to help people who live with

39:54

a condition from the A s

39:57

D. Whether that's you know, as

39:59

Berger's or whether it is some sort

40:01

of UM, I believe the correct the

40:04

correct terminology is profound autism.

40:06

Is that correct, Matt? And there's all there's

40:08

all kinds of things functioning, non functioning,

40:10

verbal, nonverbal, all that that we kind

40:12

of discussed already. Yeah yeah, yeah,

40:14

yeah. So multiple studies from various

40:17

groups like the National Academy of Sciences

40:19

in the UK and so on, have

40:21

not verified a link between

40:23

vaccination and this condition. And

40:26

Wakefield's research, although it's

40:28

been soundly dismissed by mainstream medicine,

40:31

is still is still cited by

40:33

a lot of anti vaccination groups.

40:36

And sometimes depending on the group, and depending

40:38

on the tone of the group or the agenda of the group,

40:40

you will you will also run into some

40:43

conspiratorial stuff. Some groups will

40:45

just cite it without citing other

40:47

studies that outnumber

40:49

it and contradict it, or

40:52

some other groups maybe a little further

40:54

out there, will say that uh,

40:57

well will intimate or UH

41:00

kind of kind of allude

41:02

to some great cover up

41:05

of Wakefield's research. This

41:07

leads us to another medical concern,

41:09

the concept of vaccine overload,

41:12

which is something that might not be familiar to people,

41:14

but it's an interesting idea. So

41:17

vaccine overload, which is a

41:19

non medical term, refers to this idea

41:21

that giving lots of vaccines

41:24

in one go um

41:26

could overwhelm or weaken a child's

41:29

very you know, developing immune

41:31

system and lead to adverse effects.

41:33

So for example, when my kid got

41:35

vaccine and we broke it up into a couple of different

41:38

little sessions, and that's pretty common.

41:40

UM. So vaccine overloads also a term

41:42

that's used uh as it's often

41:44

cited as a cause for autism.

41:47

Again, there's not much

41:49

science to back this up. In fact, that any of the science

41:51

that exist doesn't really bear this out. Despite

41:54

the increase in the number of vaccines over recent

41:56

decades, improvements in the designs

41:58

of these vaccines in the they're administered

42:01

um have created serious

42:04

reduction to the immuno logic load

42:06

from those backs vaccines and the total

42:09

number of these components. The immunological

42:11

components in the fourteen vaccines administered

42:13

to children in the United States in two thousand nine

42:16

is less than ten percent of what

42:18

it was in the seven vaccines

42:20

given in nineteen. So

42:22

we see we see this um

42:25

tremendous reduction in

42:27

the amount of work immune

42:30

systems are asked to do. Right.

42:33

That's that's essentially what we mean

42:35

when we say immunologic load. I

42:37

think immuno Logic is really cool words. By

42:39

the way, it sounds like some West Coast hip hop guy's

42:42

name. Uh. I

42:44

agree. If it's not, then here you go. I

42:47

think the only person who will have a problem with

42:49

you taking that name will be Logic,

42:52

who seems like he doesn't have a problem

42:54

with other people having names related

42:56

to that. But you can't really get mad at

42:58

someone who has who shares

43:01

a component of your name. In hip hop? How many

43:03

bigs are there? How many littles are there?

43:05

How many youngs? So many

43:08

youngs and littles bigs. Somebody

43:10

named Little Skies who's putting stuff

43:12

everywhere still in Atlanta, Little

43:14

Skies, little guys like a graffiti artists

43:16

or no, just somebody's paying a lot of money.

43:21

Yeah, well you gotta you know, you've

43:23

got to be the change. I guess so Little

43:25

Skuys, if you're listening, Uh, send us some music.

43:28

Yeah, please be the little that you want

43:30

to see in the world. That's what I say. So. A study

43:32

published in found no

43:35

correlation between autism and

43:37

the antigen number in the vaccines

43:39

these children were administered up to age

43:41

two. Again, the antigen is

43:44

sort of the the broken part

43:46

of the of the infection

43:49

that you're attempting to teach a body to fight.

43:51

Right. Of the one thousand

43:53

and eight children in this study back a one

43:56

quarter of those diagnosed with

43:59

some as D condition were born

44:01

between and

44:04

that's when the routine vaccine

44:06

schedule for children could contain

44:08

more than three thousand antigens.

44:11

That's a single shot of a DTP vaccine.

44:14

The vaccine schedule inve

44:16

has more vaccines, but the number of antigens

44:19

the children are exposed to by the age of two

44:22

is way way down. It's down to three

44:24

fifteen. So if this

44:26

correlation is correct,

44:28

then it would naturally follow.

44:31

This is just take like, let's just assume

44:33

for the sake of argument that the

44:37

the opposition to vaccines because

44:39

of that link to autism or perceived

44:42

link. Let's assume that bore out somehow. If

44:44

that was true, then uh, it would

44:46

follow that reducing

44:50

this antigen load, right,

44:53

would therefore result in

44:55

a decline in

44:58

people presenting with a

45:00

s D conditions That

45:02

does not seem to be the case, or

45:05

at least there's no there's no literature

45:07

on the anti vaccination side citing

45:09

that. There's another argument

45:11

too that we could have, which is that

45:14

that's a schedule from it's

45:16

twenty nineteen now, so there's not

45:19

enough time. Arguably, right,

45:21

we would want to wait till maybe two

45:24

or twenty twenty five or

45:26

something like that. To

45:29

be absolutely fair, there

45:31

are no publicly available studies

45:34

based on withholding vaccines

45:37

from children. That

45:39

is because there are tons

45:41

of laws against unethical

45:44

experimentation. Again,

45:47

my my opinion pops up a little bit here.

45:49

I'm a huge fan of self experimentation,

45:52

but even I understand

45:55

that you you shouldn't. You shouldn't

45:58

conduct experiments on people

46:00

who are not capable of informed

46:02

consent, and

46:05

children are not so at

46:08

this point, it's also

46:10

fair to point out that no study directly

46:12

comparing rates of a

46:14

s D or spectrum in vaccinated

46:17

and unvaccinated children has been done

46:19

to our knowledge. If you find one, please send

46:21

it out. And then there's some other conditions

46:24

associated with vaccination. Yeah,

46:27

yeah, aluminium has been a cause of concern.

46:29

This will cause aluminium and

46:32

things related to aluminium are even a cause

46:34

concern for some people with deodorant. Have

46:36

you heard about this when

46:39

you're using the the strong anti

46:41

perse brands when it's like leaching into your

46:43

body exupposedly. But the other kind

46:45

of doesn't work, man, the hippie crystal deodorant,

46:47

it doesn't do the job. Yeah, or need

46:49

I need heavy metals in my deodor right? Yes, I'm

46:53

a fan of bathing. I don't know. I'm

46:55

just full of hot takes today, but I think people should

46:57

shower. Yeah, I agree, but you know it's it's

47:00

hot in Georgia, dude, and we it's hot in this hot box

47:02

that we're sitting in right now. I need my I need my deodorant

47:04

to be effective and benefit.

47:07

And the idea is that aluminum

47:10

might also uh

47:13

leach into people's bodies and unsafe

47:15

levels will affect some aspect

47:17

of their development. Typically, the

47:20

primary concerns for people opposed

47:23

to vaccination are going to be focused

47:25

on neurological aspects. What

47:28

is the aluminum meant to be in aluminum

47:31

or aluminium for all

47:33

the fans of Bush

47:37

right and the band and

47:39

uh and everyone living in the UK, or

47:41

people who just prefer that sort of spelling pronunciation.

47:44

Aluminum adge evans

47:47

are used in vaccines for HEP

47:49

A, HEP B, the

47:52

diphtheria, tetanus vaccines,

47:54

and a couple of other things.

47:57

They're not used in what they call the live viral

48:00

vaccines like measles, MOMPS rebella and

48:02

rhodavirus and so on. And adjivant

48:04

is a part of a vaccine, a component

48:07

that boost the immune response

48:09

for the vaccine. Essentially, they allow

48:12

you to get more bang for your buck. Lesser

48:14

quantities of the vaccine and fewer

48:17

doses can still have the same effect

48:19

of older vaccines. And

48:21

like you said, Ben, there have been other concerns

48:23

raised about the HEP B vaccine

48:26

um in relation to a potential

48:28

link between that and multiple sclerosis.

48:32

Yeah, hepatitis B vaccination and

48:34

the risk of childhood onset multiple sclerosis,

48:37

right, that's the Pediatric

48:40

Adolescents Medical Journal, And

48:42

there were other things to examining this.

48:44

The New England Journal of Medicine did a study

48:46

on this hepatitis B vaccination the risk

48:49

of multiple sclerosis, and

48:51

you can find plenty of literature on this at

48:53

the c d C, which has a pretty good website.

48:55

The problem is, for some people, the

48:58

CDC is considered a non harder

49:00

you know what I mean, it's compromised, right.

49:03

Are you gonna believe big big

49:05

disease? You know, aren't they linked

49:07

to big pharma? So

49:10

it's true. We've we've mentioned just a few,

49:12

we've mentioned multiple grosses, we've mentioned

49:15

vaccine overload. We've

49:17

got a couple of other things we should

49:19

mention. First, why

49:22

anti vaccination remains a hot

49:24

topic today? Again not sold in that

49:26

store. It's kind of lazy. It

49:29

was like, I don't know why I used the hot topic. But

49:32

first, there's a common concern cited

49:35

that vaccinations cause seizures.

49:37

It's very important to very important

49:39

to mention this is technically

49:42

true. All

49:44

immune responses which vaccines

49:46

are purposely created to trigger,

49:49

have a chance of causing what are known as

49:52

febrile seizures also called

49:54

fever pits or seizures associated

49:57

with high body temperatures. Overall,

49:59

you're going to find and the risk of these seizures during

50:01

vaccination is pretty low, but

50:03

still very distressing. If

50:06

you're a parent and your child is

50:08

having seizures. It doesn't matter

50:10

to you that only three percent of children

50:12

get them. It matters to you that one kid

50:15

in particular has that, right now, you

50:17

know what I mean. And the complication rates

50:19

of the seizures from the vaccines are still

50:22

much lower than the exact same season

50:24

when caused by the actual diseases

50:26

that they're meant to prevent, right right,

50:28

disease cause seizures have twenty

50:31

times the rate of I see you admission.

50:34

And this this still goes

50:36

into other We're talking about medical

50:39

concerns, but it still goes into other

50:41

widespread social concerns, uh,

50:43

some of which I've dealt with on the ground,

50:46

like in the field. So in some countries,

50:48

nonprofit and medical personnel, especially

50:51

if they're in a non Western country and they're from

50:53

the West, have been attacked even

50:55

killed for attempting to administer vaccines

50:57

to local populations. In Pakistan,

51:00

for instance, some religious and militant groups

51:02

alleged the vaccination was a cover story

51:05

and that the substances being administered

51:07

were meant to either sterilize or

51:09

kill the local population simply

51:12

for being Muslim. And you know,

51:15

we we've seen that echoed as well.

51:17

Even in places like New York City.

51:19

In Brooklyn and a couple other um

51:22

and groups within that community believe that

51:24

there is some type of conspiracy against

51:27

them, where the vaccines are

51:29

being administered specifically to them to

51:31

uh to cause harm to their community.

51:34

Call them the population there are there at

51:36

least a couple of There are a few outspoken rabbis.

51:38

There have been holding rallies in ten

51:41

where they're like speaking outwardly about

51:43

that stuff. A buddy of mine lives in a neighborhood in Brooklyn

51:46

that the population is very largely

51:48

made of Hasidic devout Jews,

51:51

and it's a really interesting community for

51:53

sure, because they kind of all hang out together. They

51:55

go out with their whole families kind of like you

51:58

know, in a group, and they don't really make

52:00

eye contact or communicate with, you know, others

52:03

that are not in that community. So it's very much like

52:06

them looking out for themselves and each other.

52:08

It's a very interesting world. Just to call

52:10

out. A New York Times article if you want to learn more about

52:12

that, it's called despite measles warnings,

52:14

anti vaccine rally draws hundreds

52:17

of ultra orthodox Jews. There you go, yes,

52:19

do learn about it. Now, when we're calling out

52:21

communities as examples for feeling this way,

52:24

we're not. We're not trying to pick on anybody. The

52:26

truth is that this is an understandable

52:28

thing that occurs, especially in

52:30

insular communities. While this might

52:33

sound the the idea of someone

52:35

hunting down your specific friends, families,

52:38

and community members to kill you via

52:41

fake vaccines, While it might sound pretty out

52:43

there to some of us listening today, we

52:45

have to understand that Western

52:47

in geos in particular, have an

52:50

established history of functioning as

52:52

covers for all sorts of nefarious

52:54

activities. There is no proven case

52:57

of modern vaccination attempts being a

52:59

cover for the spread of disease. In this manner,

53:01

it's a leap, It's not as

53:04

far as a leap as it might seem. Though it's

53:06

still a leap, but I'm just saying it's not as

53:08

much of a jump. The chasm is not as wide.

53:11

When when I was living in

53:14

Central America, this was a very

53:16

common belief and it was very

53:18

very much a controversial thing because people

53:21

thought that folks were being

53:23

sent by the US big business

53:25

and government, maybe in cooperation

53:27

with drug cartels, to uh sterilize

53:30

their children, or to render

53:32

them somehow mentally

53:35

inert, you know. And this goes hand in hand

53:37

with the concerns of like the illegal organ

53:39

trade, right, or that the

53:41

idea of that children will be by

53:44

vaccinate it would be somehow marked or

53:46

chipped, and that they could be traced

53:49

and their organs later cold. There's

53:51

a real thing that people believe. There

53:54

are other conspiracies. There's the big business

53:56

angle, which is always gonna,

53:58

always gonna rear. It's like you had here,

54:00

depending on who you ask time.

54:03

As we said earlier time, medicine and the health

54:05

of living innocent human beings to profit

54:07

or a financial bottom line is either

54:10

at best and necessary evil or

54:12

it is one of the great crimes of modern

54:14

medicine. Right. It's true

54:16

that many people have died, are

54:19

probably dying as you listen to this show,

54:22

and will die after you're done listening in this

54:24

show because it was no longer profitable

54:26

for certain pharmaceutical companies to produce

54:29

a given medicine, or because they

54:31

increase the price of a medicine to

54:33

the point that other people could not afford

54:35

it. India is one of the countries

54:37

that's been in increasingly

54:39

tense conversations and arguments

54:42

with Western medicine

54:44

manufacturers because India as a

54:46

government made a choice where they said, look, we're not

54:48

going to uh, we're not

54:51

going to let people die because you

54:53

think of medicine should be four d fifty

54:55

dollars, we can manufacture it here

54:57

and we'll give it to him for three or something

54:59

like that. You know, I'm I'm pulling

55:01

the numbers out of my head, but these are

55:04

these are real arguments that are happening, and

55:07

you can see why some people might be opposed to that

55:09

because of the enormous cost of R and D. But

55:11

then also on the other side, there are people

55:13

dying. This is all to say, it is very,

55:15

very easy to see why a lot of people would

55:17

not trust these profit driven

55:19

companies to have the best interest of patients

55:22

at heart. It's I'm not I'm

55:24

not vilifying them. I'm saying, if

55:26

you exercise even cursory attempts

55:29

at empathy, you can clearly see

55:31

how this seems like a rational and logical

55:33

decision on their part. Uh, they're saying,

55:36

well, these companies that experimented

55:39

on marginalized populations in the past,

55:41

what's to stop them from doing so again? And

55:45

if we don't have enough money, these people

55:47

don't care about us. And

55:49

this is not look we're talking about right

55:52

now. We're talking about largely developing countries

55:54

when we talk about those concerns. But the concern

55:56

of vaccinations population control is

55:59

alive and well here in the United

56:01

States, Matt, you had the excellent example

56:04

of the ultra orthodox

56:06

community again, factions within the ultra

56:08

orthodox community New York. What about

56:10

Congressman Louie Gomert who voiced

56:13

his concerns about vaccination on a broadcast

56:15

for the Family Research Council. Pretty

56:17

wholesome name right. Uh. He

56:19

is convinced that liberal elites

56:22

are using vaccination programs to call

56:24

the Earth's population due to concerns

56:27

about the scarcity of natural resources.

56:29

Very Malthusian population collapse

56:31

reasoning. He thinks there is an

56:33

evil cabal behind this plan and

56:36

that they're aiming for a target worldwide

56:38

global human population of seven

56:40

million, very Georgia Guidestone style.

56:43

But there's a huge problem with this. The

56:46

overwhelming massive evidence, well

56:48

not perfect right science never is,

56:51

proves the vaccines overall

56:54

tend to save lives. So

56:56

this means the vaccines, even

56:59

if there were more dangerous than they are

57:01

today. Are increasing the world's

57:03

population rather than diminishing

57:05

it. It's making it much much more likely

57:07

that we reach nine billion then go down

57:09

to seven hundred million. It's a matter of fact, if

57:11

you wanted people to get closer to seven hundred

57:14

million, you would probably just stop vaccinating

57:17

anyone and then a ton of people eventually

57:19

down the road would die. But the

57:22

problem with that is that people are very

57:24

good at breeding, and it's one of our favorite

57:26

things to do. So getting us down to seven

57:28

hundred million means you would also need

57:30

to sterilize a ton of people or convince

57:33

them that there are things that are better than

57:35

sex. What

57:38

if you can convince them that taking

57:41

a vaccine is the worst thing you

57:43

can do because it will kill you for some

57:45

reason, or it will do something bad for you. But

57:47

you're a state actor and you want

57:50

the population to decrease. Well,

57:53

that is a very good segue, Matt,

57:56

because I like that you're talking about

57:59

geopol It takes. There is one

58:01

thing we found that is um

58:04

is a genuine improvable conspiracy

58:07

in the argument about vaccination.

58:10

Yeah, and it has to do again

58:12

and every time we we talk about a state actor

58:15

or something like this. We mentioned this on the show all the time.

58:17

But it's a faction of someone

58:19

acting within a a

58:21

state government in this case Russia,

58:24

or at least someone working even within

58:27

a private institution somewhere in Russia.

58:29

But that's what we're gonna talk

58:31

about. They are they've

58:33

been spreading basically propaganda

58:36

that is anti vaccination in nature.

58:39

Right. Yeah, So a study

58:42

by the Journal of Public Health showed that Russian

58:44

trolls, those are the biological actual

58:46

people spreading to sinfo, and then

58:49

Russian bought campaigns those

58:51

are the algorithms and and fake accounts

58:53

run by actual people have been

58:56

working purposely to spread discord

58:58

in the West round vaccination

59:01

attempts or campaigns. According

59:03

to David Bruniatowski

59:06

from George Washington University, quote,

59:08

a significant portion of the online discourse

59:10

about vaccines may be generated by malicious

59:12

actors with a range of hidden agendas.

59:15

They reviewed more than two hundred and fifty tweets

59:17

about vaccination from accounts

59:20

linked to outfit called

59:22

the Internet Research Agency i

59:24

RA. Again, as long as you

59:26

want look at the acronym, that's that's pretty wholesome

59:28

situation there. It's based in St. Petersburg,

59:31

In February, the agency was named

59:33

in a US indictment over alleged

59:36

election meddling. They used

59:38

tweets with polarizing language that

59:40

linked vaccination to statements

59:42

about race, class,

59:44

and the legitimacy of Western

59:46

governments. According to the research, we have a

59:48

couple of example tweets here. Does anybody want to

59:50

do a voice? I could do a voice. Did

59:53

you know that it was secret government database

59:55

of Hastag vaccine Damag's child, Hastag

59:58

vaccinate US. Another

1:00:00

that argued for vaccination said lex

1:00:03

in the US, you'll kind of fixed lathim

1:00:06

dying from measle I am for vaccination.

1:00:10

Pretty good, guys, No apologies

1:00:12

to our apologies to our Russian friends.

1:00:15

There's no one I do well. I've

1:00:17

got friends who are Russian. First in to

1:00:20

this show, So

1:00:22

shout out to Shout out to Oleg. He

1:00:24

used to live in San Francisco. He lives in

1:00:26

London. Now you've told

1:00:28

me about him. Uh,

1:00:31

he's gonna kill me for that accent. But

1:00:34

you know, accents aside, we're

1:00:37

we're we're having a little fun with it. But accents

1:00:40

aside. Those are real tweets and

1:00:42

they are certainly not

1:00:46

not meant to be associated

1:00:49

with Russia in the environment in which they're

1:00:51

published. They're meant to seem like

1:00:53

someone you kind of know or a source

1:00:55

you kind of respect that is telling

1:00:57

you, you know, the brass tacks, real

1:01:00

truth about what's going on. This

1:01:02

is totally textbook

1:01:04

foundation of geopolitics by

1:01:07

Alexander Ducan. There you go,

1:01:10

Alexander Ducan. It always it. I

1:01:12

always feel like it's going to be a Star Wars character

1:01:14

or something. It does. And he kind of

1:01:17

is, you know, uh, he

1:01:19

he got away from his more occult

1:01:21

roots and is now just arguing state

1:01:23

policy in Russia. But

1:01:26

this this leads us to our

1:01:28

conclusion. Currently, several

1:01:30

diseases appear to be on the rise in

1:01:33

certain communities in certain global

1:01:35

regions due to concerns about the perceived

1:01:37

hidden dangers of vaccination.

1:01:40

The BBC sums it up in pretty

1:01:42

well in uh in a fairly troubling

1:01:44

way. In Europe, more than forty one

1:01:47

people are infected with measles in

1:01:49

the first six months. That's

1:01:51

nearly double the number of cases for the

1:01:53

entirety of last year. At that point

1:01:56

that report was made, in thirty

1:01:58

seven people had already died measles

1:02:00

was on the rise in Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia,

1:02:03

and Greece. In the US, the number of children

1:02:05

being exempted from vaccines also on

1:02:07

the rise. In Italy, the upper house of

1:02:09

Parliament voted through legislation to

1:02:11

abolish the law that makes vaccines

1:02:14

mandatory for children before they start

1:02:16

school. Despite this the area, despite

1:02:18

the media coverage, the only serious

1:02:20

medical condition ever linked to a vaccine

1:02:23

was specific to the virus strain used

1:02:26

in the manufacture of that vaccine.

1:02:28

And whenever we talk about this sort of stuff,

1:02:31

we have to treat everyone's concerned

1:02:33

seriously. We are talking about human lives

1:02:35

here, right, and both sides of the argument

1:02:38

feel like they are either saving lives

1:02:40

or saving the quality of life for people. So

1:02:42

these are these are noble motives,

1:02:44

right, But we also have to ask

1:02:46

ourselves about the motivations behind

1:02:48

any possible conspiracy that would exist

1:02:51

other than the Russian disinfo stuff, which is absolutely

1:02:53

true. Again, not a theory that's happening.

1:02:56

Be careful who you retweet

1:02:58

first. Why would someone want to spread

1:03:00

a disease or a medical condition through

1:03:03

the false pretense of preventing another

1:03:05

disease? Are there any proven cases

1:03:07

of this tactic being deployed on a widespread

1:03:10

scale, not that we can find. That

1:03:12

doesn't mean they don't exist. That just means

1:03:14

that they're hard to find and

1:03:16

they're hard to prove. We do know

1:03:18

that diseases, for instance, have been utilized

1:03:21

as weapons of war ever since the

1:03:23

days of old, when the bodies of plague

1:03:25

victims were catapulted over walls

1:03:28

during sieges. This species

1:03:31

is not above using disease

1:03:33

to kill each other on purpose, right, But

1:03:35

we just haven't seen a case of

1:03:38

people doing that on purpose with vaccines.

1:03:41

Because again, the thing

1:03:43

with vaccines is, although they

1:03:45

are not perfect, they do tend to save

1:03:47

more lives than they and then they take

1:03:51

and there you know that whole point. If they're not using

1:03:53

that life, well, it's it's different

1:03:55

the method of the methodology of creating the

1:03:57

disease and using the disease to

1:04:00

get someone else sixth very very very different.

1:04:02

You have to keep that in mind when you're thinking about this. And

1:04:05

the third question we have to ask your have have vaccinations

1:04:08

ever actually been used for some kind of

1:04:10

nefarious purpose, uh, whether

1:04:13

some kind of experimental vaccination or

1:04:17

you know, some other thing that

1:04:19

we haven't even thought about yet. And that's an episode

1:04:21

for another day. When we we talked about this

1:04:23

already, we're talking about militaries

1:04:25

using vaccines for certain things that we've actually

1:04:27

gotten some Uh, we've gotten

1:04:29

some emails some responses before from

1:04:32

from UM from soldiers

1:04:34

who have had to get vaccines and they were confused

1:04:37

about how many there were just so many vaccines,

1:04:39

the schedules strange, uh, talking

1:04:41

about vaccines in prisons, on

1:04:43

marginalized populations, and some of

1:04:45

the stuff been you were mentioning already about

1:04:48

your you know, your travels and how

1:04:50

people feel about vaccines. There's a

1:04:52

there's a lot more here to go into,

1:04:54

yes and today for those of

1:04:56

us listening. In the US, all

1:04:59

fifties states have some sort of

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law requiring at the very least certain

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vaccines for students. There

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are exemptions based on medical

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reasons, religious exemptions.

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Seventeen states do allow parents

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to opt out based on personal or

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philosophical beliefs. And

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though we we mentioned UM New

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York already, but just yesterday as we're

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recording this, on June thirteenth, New York

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lawmakers they voted to end

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religious exemptions for immunizations,

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which has you know fully

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fully angered some of the some of the people in

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those communities that we were mentioning earlier,

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and um, they joined up with several other

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states right now California, Arizona,

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West Virginia, Mississippi, and Maine that do

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not allow exemptions on

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religious beliefs, which for

1:05:48

some people still is you know, it's that other

1:05:51

it's that don't tread on the idea, don't

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tell me what to do with my family. Uh

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So we reach our conclusion

1:05:58

here so

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far as we can tell, and so far as the

1:06:03

bulk of research shows us, the majority of

1:06:05

studies arguing for the efficacy of

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vaccination as well as the

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advantages of immunizing people

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to once fatal diseases, seem

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to be largely solid and

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their findings seem to be

1:06:18

increasingly in agreement

1:06:21

confirmed on multiple angles. The studies

1:06:23

are reproducible and so on. And

1:06:25

in contrast, the studies against vaccination

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overall have been largely

1:06:30

debunked and the findings also

1:06:32

don't seem to be reproducible,

1:06:35

meaning that unrelated objective

1:06:37

researchers with no horse in the race

1:06:40

other than the survival of themselves and their

1:06:42

progeny cannot reach the

1:06:44

same conclusions without either purposefully

1:06:47

or accidentally really

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screwing something up along the way.

1:06:52

Some studies of specific vaccines

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in the past did raise valid

1:06:56

concerns about their danger, right and

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their safety, and it appears that the medical

1:07:01

community responded by improving these vaccines,

1:07:04

either through new manufacturing techniques

1:07:06

like you mentioned NOL, or by removing

1:07:08

potentially harmful substances.

1:07:10

At this point, we want to hear from

1:07:12

you. Thank you so much for listening

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to this show. What do you think about

1:07:17

vaccination, as we like to say here in the

1:07:19

South, are you for it or again it? And

1:07:21

why I just said and I'd like to point

1:07:23

out here with this and as you're thinking about your

1:07:25

response, we are highly aware,

1:07:27

as you probably are, that the

1:07:29

current state of vaccinations it's

1:07:31

not perfect. It is not a perfect

1:07:34

system, uh, no matter what you believe.

1:07:36

But that doesn't necessarily mean

1:07:39

that it is dangerous to you.

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So just you, you know, just think about

1:07:43

that, really think about that. And

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also, you know, this

1:07:48

this episode really focused on the

1:07:50

West. Outside of some of the ancient history

1:07:52

and some cultural implications, we did

1:07:54

not explore how these

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operations might be conducted in

1:07:59

other countries, right, So

1:08:01

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