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Hey, I'm welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Clark with me. Is always this Charles W.

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Chuck Bryant that makes this stuff you should know?

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You know what? And saw Ronnie millsap

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this weekend. Shut up, I swear

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to guy. Really? Yeah, he's still

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alive. Oh yeah, he just had

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he just released a new gospel album.

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Is he the Blind Guy? Yeah? Okay, yeah.

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Where where did he play? I've got to know. Spindale,

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North Carolina. I can say

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honestly that I've been to Spindale, North Carolina.

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Did you go there to see him? Yeah? You mean

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he's a big fan actually, and he's

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spent half an hour talking

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about his life. That guy's had it rough man.

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Yeah, you should check him out. He's interesting.

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I mean he was part of my childhood for sure. You

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should have gone. He played some old it. But

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he actually has a podcast in case

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you Yeah, he's got a podcast. Yeah,

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it's pretty good too. It's him like telling stories,

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talking and then playing a song and like

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he'll talk to somebody like off camera or

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off mike or whatever, like what

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did I forget or something like that, and then you'll

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hear something muffled and we're like, oh, yeah, okay,

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and he'll start playing. Is it called millsappen?

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That's what I call it. I think it's called like the Ronnie

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Millstap Show or something. Yeah,

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and we met him too. Actually, of course you're

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like eight people there. You could know

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it was packed. We definitely skewed

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the median age tremendously.

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Yeah, there was a lot of old folks there,

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but went to Dollywood right afterwards. We

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were definitely the only people from Atlanta there

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for sure. Cool. Yeah, Chuck,

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I love that that intro. Thanks Chuck.

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Yes, have you ever seen a chimpanzee

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masterbait? Uh?

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Yeah, I have you have. You're

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not the first person I met who's seen that? What you

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saw it at the zoo? Uh?

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Yeah? I mean is there any other answer

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than yes it was at a zoo. If I

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say it was hit my friend Roger's house, authorities

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are going to show up at you

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have seen that. I've never seen it. I think you've

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seen on YouTube. See. I think that

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that is a normal behavior, as I understand

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that they are primates after all, as

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are we. Um.

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But I think that you could make an argument

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that there's such thing as doing

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it too much among chimpanzees.

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And if you did notice

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that your chimpanzee was abusing

2:37

himself a little too much, you

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could make a case that that chimpanzee

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was experiencing zookosis. You

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just dropped the mic, Josh just left the room literally,

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thank you good night. That's

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it. Yeah,

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zukosis, man, that's when animals

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in captivity start doing strange

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things like uh pascing

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like a bearable paste in a circle for hours

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on end, or a chimp might abuse

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himself, or a make

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the Saints cry. Cheetah might uh

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can like a bathe itself too much like self

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groom, how cats do like lick rash

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like holes in their body and stuff. Yeah,

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there's even worse stuff too. Um. A guy

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named Bill Traverse who's an actor

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from the UK who appropriately

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enough was in a movie called Born Free

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uh he uh. He was an animal

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rights activist as well. In he

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coined the term zukosis um

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and it described some pretty horrific behavior.

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Like you said, a lot of it is found

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in the wild as well. But

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it's just too repetitive.

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It's over and over and over again. It's constant.

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Like animals groom in the wild, but they

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don't groom until they have sore spots

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on their skin. Um. There's other stuff

3:55

that they don't normally do in the wild, like smear

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their feces on, you know, the

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windows of their enclosures.

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Um, self mutilation, like chewing

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their own tailor leg um.

4:07

There's a there's a kind of bulimia

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that some primates exhibit, uh

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in captivity, where they vomit, eat

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their vomit, and then vomit again. Uh,

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just over and over. I don't

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maybe out of boredom, maybe out of frustration

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or anger. But the point is you

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see this among animals and captivity. You

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don't see this kind of behavior among animals

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in the wild, which indicates what

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some people would consider a problem with zoos.

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Let's get down to it, discuss. Yeah,

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our zoo's good or bad. And obviously

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we've read the same article, so you can make the case

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for both, right, Yeah, Well, I

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guess we should start with good since we've already

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indicated a hint of the bad, just a hint,

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just a hint. The good let's talk

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about some pros on the zoo side. Um,

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zoos have gotten a lot better in the last four

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thousand years, and a whole lot better in the last

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like thirty years from what

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I've seen. Like when I was a kid and went to the Atlanta

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Zoo, it was the tile

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room with the guerrilla in it. And

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the monkey bars are not the

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monkey bars, the cage bars. Monkey

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bars were to play on right, I'm gonna play they

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didn't have monkey bars. But I mean if if they're

5:18

the bars to the cage for a monkey and closure,

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they are technically monkey bars. Yeah what

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I'm the low nd on the totem pole, am I talking about?

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Yeah, that's that's a good thing. M uh.

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But they come a long way in the last like thirty and

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forty years and trying to create um more.

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The miniature habitats that they

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normally would live in the fences

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are gone now replaced with like moats, so

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they can't get to you, obviously, because that would be bad.

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Zeus have kind of kept in step with

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um the progress of mental institutions.

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Yeah, you know, they've

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gotten a lot better. Same with zoos. Apparently,

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Uh, they used to procure animals by

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going into the wild and taking them. Have

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you ever seen the Mystery Science Theater

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three thousand short catching Trouble? It

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is so unsettling you

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should check it out. Okay, So

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they used to go out procure animals, like they just go out to

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the to the planes and like

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get some giraffes and bring them home. They

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don't do that much anymore, although I do have some examples

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we'll get too later where they still actually do that. Yeah,

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now they have keptive breeding programs, yes,

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or a lot of animals are born in

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a zoo they never knew the wild, which

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he would make the argument that that's a lot

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better than having memory of Oh

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I used to live in a five thousand

6:36

square mile range and now I live

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in a square feet area.

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And uh, they also, Josh,

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are trying to help restore endangered

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species with breeding programs

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and releasing them back into the wild. So

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that's that's some good, right, that

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is good. Yeah, I mean and the

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California condor, Right, that's that's

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one that's usually held up as an

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example. Uh, not too long

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ago, the California condor was

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on the verge of extinction. Um,

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and the San Diego and Los Angeles, who's

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got together and said, let's let's bring this

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vulture back. Let's get

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this vulture back up and running. Okay.

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So they had a in flying and they had

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a captive breeding program, and um,

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they took the population the world,

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the global population of the California condor,

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which was just relegated to California,

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um from less than two dozen birds

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to a d seventy not self

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sufficient even better, Chuck is

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the um pair

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David's deer right? Tell

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us that story. Well, this is a

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this is a Chinese deer. So

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what I like to say, it is a deer

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from China. And this deer had

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had had it been bred in captivity

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or was extinct, and then they re

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introduced it to the wild once

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they bred activity. How how did it happen?

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Uh, they went extinct in the wild, but

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they happen to have a few in captivity.

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Yeah, and then they eventually released

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I think four into the wild for the first time and another

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self sufficient, self sustaining, which

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means they get it on. Yeah. They're

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a good looking dear too, so

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they don't they don't have any problems. Now,

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I just mean it's a it's a you know,

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majestic animal good looking. Also,

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zeos often serve as a

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better home to animals that are like part

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of traveling circuses. Um,

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you remember our own aquarium here

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and Atlanta rescued.

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I guess the whale shark, both of their whale

8:43

sharks. One was in Mexico,

8:45

I think, and like a tank it could barely

8:47

turn around in And now it's got

8:49

the biggest tank in the world. And we swam

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in it. We did. It was cold, big dudes.

8:54

Yeah. Uh, and there's polar bears

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that have been rescued. Leo. The snow

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leopard. Yeah, taking from Pakistan

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in two thousand seventh, wasn't was in great shape.

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In two thousand seven in the Bronx Zoo said give

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us that snow leopard, bring

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him over here. Yeah, that was my Bronx

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dude, Oh I got it. Okay, what

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else, Josh? Oh, they have their care We know a

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lot more now we're we're about animals

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and what they need in the kind of habitat. So the

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care taking of the animals

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and zoos has gotten way way better over the years. Yeah.

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Again, the at the Bronx Zoo,

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they just released there or they just

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opened their art vark exhibit new and

9:32

improved uh. And apparently

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art varks were notoriously difficult to

9:37

keep alive and happy because

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their termite diet is really hard

9:41

to replicate. But they got it down to this uh

9:44

insectivore chow in meat slurry

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diet, which sounds I wonder if

9:48

it says new and improved now featuring

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live art varks corpses,

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it's much improved. No flies buzzing

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around them, Josh. The A lot of zoos give

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back financial The Bronx Zoo is

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channel more than three million dollars towards conservation

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projects in Africa, and

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sometimes they pair with groups like the Nature Conservancy

10:08

to work not even just within their zoo, but

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in other states to uh.

10:12

I think who is a Toledo zoo was working

10:15

to restore butterfly habitats and Ohio.

10:17

Yeah, and I have to tell you the Toledo Zoo

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for the size town

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of Toledo, the Toledo Zoo

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and the Toledo Art Museum are world

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class, really great zoo. Yeah,

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it puts Atlanta Zoo to shame. And then you

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can go to Tony Pacals

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right, Tony Pacos Pacos

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hot Dog. Yeah, you

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can get uh. Yeah, the best hot dog

10:40

on the planet from Tony Pacos. Feed

10:43

it to the I feel

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like cleaner. Uh

10:47

and Josh, research and scientific

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research is obviously a big part of what zoos do nowadays.

10:52

Okay, so that was like the well I

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got a step for you. Oh sorry, that's right.

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In two thousand two, zoo's participated in two

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thousand two thirty research projects,

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conservation projects, and more than eighty countries,

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which is pretty good. Yeah, and we shouldn't just poo

11:07

poo that and go, you know, Willie Nilly buy

11:10

it now. And you have to make

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the case that yes, zoos are

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helping in some way, shape

11:16

or form. Right, Like, imagine

11:18

the deer, the pair David's deer,

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right, Um, that would not

11:23

be around anymore. That's that species

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would be extinct if it weren't for

11:28

conservation efforts among zoos. Right, condor

11:30

perhaps California condor might be gone. Maybe

11:33

loss of the vulture. Apparently those things

11:35

are huge. I read an article once

11:37

where this guy was um standing on

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a cliff in California

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and he heard this, and

11:44

then all of a sudden he just got really loud, and right

11:47

up in front of him, this enormous condor

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just flew up and had been had been

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hunting, I guess, in this canyon

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and came up along the cliff's

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face and just flew like ten ft

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in front of him. He said, was just huge

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and probably the most thrilling thing that's ever happened

12:02

to them. Yeah, they're big. I saw a bunch of

12:05

them in Napa Valley on my recent trip, like

12:08

tons of them. They hanging around the vineyards

12:10

because when you're plowing a vineyard you'll dig up

12:12

like rodents and stuff. So

12:14

the vultures follow along behind the tractor literally

12:16

and like go down there and eat up nice

12:20

good for them, all

12:22

right, Chuck, let's let's

12:24

talk about the bad. Yeah, we

12:26

get the ugly and the good down. Yeah,

12:29

let's talk about the bad. You mentioned that the

12:31

um that zoos are big

12:33

on conservation, right, some

12:36

say they are well in the US. If

12:38

you are an animal exhibitor, meaning

12:41

that you are showing animals for

12:43

money, you have to be licensed

12:45

by the U. S t A. Yes, there's about

12:49

animal exhibitors in the US and

12:51

they range from like the San Diego

12:53

Zoo to the place in Arkansas

12:55

where you drive through and like an Ostrich

12:58

sticks his head in your car, right and go call

13:00

the police. Exactly. Yeah. Um,

13:04

about two hundred of those hundred

13:06

are actually members of the American

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Zoological and Aquarium Association.

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Those are the up and up. Now, the a c A has far

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higher standards than the U. S d A for its

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members. Um is

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stricter safety requirements.

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Um. It's they forced conservation

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spending among their members. So

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um, you know, when you're not a member of the a

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c A, those other twenty four or hundred

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animal exhibitions in the US are spending nothing

13:37

on conservation. And the

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other problem is the members of the a c A

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spend about three percent of their

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take at the gate on conservation

13:46

every year, which is not

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that much. I mean, it goes kind of far, but not

13:51

far enough. Uh.

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And also the the I think

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a hundred and forty six reintroduction

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programs took place in the

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twentieth century, sixteen

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were successful. Those are the status.

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You don't get, No, they just say we did a hundred

14:08

forty five programs, and most

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of those programs were um,

14:12

undertaken by the US government. So

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zoos are getting a lot of credit and

14:17

taking a lot of credit. Actually, um,

14:21

in the public mind, in the public consciousness.

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They've very successfully carved

14:26

out this place where hey,

14:28

we're here. It is to save the animals,

14:30

and the idea that they are a business

14:33

that makes money off of people coming

14:35

in and looking at the animals has

14:37

kind of been washed away, although it's still very

14:39

present. It's zoos are very much

14:41

businesses, you know this

14:43

condourse. Yeah, only about two

14:45

thirds of those worth strong enough to live. Yeah,

14:48

that's sad. So you don't see that stat on the front end

14:50

they got plowed under the front end of the tractor

14:53

rather than flying in the back end. But they are

14:55

I mean, part of me says these

14:58

programs only sixteen were successful, But I mean they

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were trying at least, so I will give him that. Well,

15:03

yeah, but I mean, like dead animals don't

15:05

usually give you an e for effort, you know. Um.

15:08

And I think part of the other problem is and I don't mean

15:11

to Hammer's zoos like I do, see both

15:13

sides of this coin. This isn't this,

15:16

This isn't me just like, yeah, we talked about

15:18

the good, now let's really get to it. Um

15:21

again, there's that that pair David

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Deer. It wouldn't have existed had it

15:26

not been for zoos. But I think by

15:28

and large, if

15:31

the reason zoos exist is

15:33

because of encroachment on land,

15:35

Like there's no there's a

15:38

mind toward conservation, but there's not a mind

15:40

toward preservation, and that's really where

15:42

the mind should be, the mind and the money,

15:44

right, I mean, if you take an

15:47

elephant and put it into a little enclosure,

15:49

it's gonna go nuts. Elephants

15:52

are Actually that's one of the big ones as far as

15:54

uh people not trying to be a

15:56

pun master there, but it's

15:58

one of the big animals

16:00

that people are trying to get out of zoos.

16:02

Like, if you're not going to shut down a zoo, at least get the

16:04

elephants out of there. Yeah, And there's actually

16:06

a website Josh called Save Wild

16:09

Elephants dot com, and

16:11

um, some zoos are

16:13

starting to get rid of their elephant habitats

16:16

and and they should honestly. I mean, elephants

16:18

are used to traveling about fifty miles

16:20

a day in large herds, and

16:23

in the in captivity,

16:26

they're you know, standing around an

16:28

enclosure all day alone or with maybe

16:30

a buddy or two. Right, So they're very

16:32

social, highly social animals. That

16:35

travel great distances, and no, they

16:37

shouldn't be in in captivity

16:39

at all. Yeah. The Detroit too actually got rid

16:41

of their two elephants and closed

16:43

down their exhibit, and the director of the zoo

16:45

said Asian elephants should

16:47

not live in small groups without many acres

16:49

to rome, and they clearly shouldn't have to suffer

16:51

the winners of the North. That's the other thing you know, think

16:54

about is they're this elephant

16:56

in the Detroit winner Are you kidding me? Now? And

16:58

even worse as a uh, poor elephant

17:00

called Maggie the elephant who in two thousand

17:03

seven, during a cold snap

17:05

at her home at the Alaska Zoo,

17:08

was kept for days on in and this little

17:10

inside enclosure because the

17:12

zookeepers were like, she can't

17:14

go outside, she'll freeze to death. And they brought

17:17

in a treadmill that was big enough for

17:19

and she wouldn't use it. Apparently

17:21

the public finally just went crazy

17:23

over it because it's a treadmill. Yeah,

17:26

who likes a treadmill? Nobody? Nobody.

17:29

I've got some more horror stories for you, Josh, if you want to

17:31

hear. Yes, Tatiana

17:34

Siberian tiger at the San Francisco

17:36

Zoo in two thousand seven, escaped the

17:39

substandard enclosure that she was in and

17:41

was shot to death after she killed a person

17:44

by police. So that happened. Um

17:47

the Dallas Zoo, a guerrilla name Jabari

17:50

tried to escape by jumping over

17:52

the walls and moats and was

17:54

fatally shot by police. Witness

17:56

later reported that teenagers were taunting the animal

17:59

with rocks are to escape? Remember

18:01

that? Yeah, so these little kids

18:04

throwing rocks at this gorilla and

18:06

then, uh, all of a sudden, the gorilla escapes

18:08

and the cops shoot it down. This wouldn't

18:11

happen if the grillos in the wild. I

18:13

think. Did it get that kid? Though? Didn't

18:15

he get his hands on one of the kids. I don't

18:17

know. That's not that's not in here. Uh.

18:20

And at the Virginia Zoo, boy, they're really

18:22

doing a great job. They had ten prairie

18:24

dogs die when their tunnel collapsed

18:26

on them in their habitat. They had a rhinoceros

18:29

drown in the moat that was trying

18:31

to you know, the moat that they used as a

18:33

barrier. Uh. They had a zebra

18:36

narrowly escaped death after jumping into the lion

18:38

exhibit, which obviously

18:41

she had passage, and another

18:44

zebra lost her life when she bolted from a holding

18:46

pin, struck offense and broke her

18:48

neck. So they're really, uh,

18:51

really doing a great job there in the Virginia Zoo. Well,

18:54

I think that kind of demonstrates the problem

18:56

is zebras are too stupid to

18:58

not run in defenses, and if they're next then

19:01

there shouldn't be fences around them.

19:03

I got another elephant stat too, let's

19:05

hear it, man. They studied records of forty

19:08

elephants and they found

19:10

that the median lifespan of an African elephant

19:12

in a zoo is sixteen point nine years.

19:15

Do you know what it is on the open plane? Fifty

19:18

six years? Yeah, that's not good. That's

19:20

quite a drop. It is. Another.

19:24

Another argument that's made in favor of zoos

19:26

often is that they educate the public. Um

19:28

studies have actually shown that people come out

19:30

of zoos less informed

19:33

than they were before, and um

19:35

with this kind of false sense of security

19:38

that zoos have it under control and

19:40

they don't really need to do anything to for conservation

19:42

or preservation efforts. So

19:45

zoos could actually be counterproductive in that regard.

19:48

Yeah, and you know on that note they say that,

19:50

um, the signs

19:52

and the zoos, which you get is a little information

19:54

about their species and diet and where they're from.

19:57

But you never, if you notice, you never get any

20:00

information on their normal behavior

20:02

in the wild because you're not seeing it.

20:05

So you're not really educating on

20:07

how the animal really is. You're educating them on

20:09

how they are in this small enclosure.

20:12

And even then it's just a sign like this zebra

20:15

likes to eat this plant.

20:17

This chimp loves to vomit, eat

20:19

its vomit and vomit again, and then spirits

20:22

poop on the windows. Right, not funny.

20:24

And I did want to mention to how we said

20:26

earlier that they don't go out in the wild and catch

20:29

their animals anymore. Not quite true.

20:31

In two thousand three, the San Diego Wild

20:33

Animal Park and Lowry Park Zoo captured

20:36

eleven African elephants elephants

20:39

elephants a

20:42

species that is threatened, and they

20:44

captured them from their natural habitat and Swaziland,

20:47

and I guess brought them back to the zoo.

20:50

And then I've got one more really sad one that

20:52

Jerry is going to not listen to. Part

20:55

of the problem in zeus, Josh, is that we like our cute

20:58

little baby animals. What

21:00

happens to cute little baby animals? They grow up,

21:02

they grow up, and many times they

21:04

get shuffled around after they're not cute anymore.

21:07

Two different zoos moving around, it's

21:09

not good for an animal. There was a chimpanzee

21:11

named Edith born in the nineteen sixties

21:13

at the St. Louis Zoo, and Edith was a

21:16

big hit because she was a cute little baby. Edith

21:18

grew up like all animals do and wasn't

21:20

as attractive, so they shuffled

21:22

her to five different facilities over

21:25

the course of the years, eventually landing at a roadside

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zoo in Texas, and

21:29

after an undercover investigation, they found

21:32

Edith in a filthy concrete pit,

21:34

hairless, living on dog

21:36

food. How

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sad is that? That's pretty? Said Jerry.

21:40

Did you hear that she's she's not

21:43

listening. But I mean, I don't want

21:45

to like throw the gauntlet down too much

21:47

and say think about this when you're going to a zoo,

21:49

but you know, think about this when you go to a zoo. Oh

21:51

yeah, if you see an animal pulling its

21:53

own hair out, Yeah, chewing its own

21:56

tail off, or doing other

21:58

some other bizarre saddening bay. If you

22:00

should feel to that ad and you should tell somebody about

22:02

it, you should contact somebody about it. Um

22:05

Uh, it's it's it's

22:07

everyone's own choice how they view a zoo, obviously,

22:10

but if it gets to you, then do something about

22:12

And there's plenty of organizations out there that somebody

22:15

can join if they find that they are opposed to the

22:17

concept of zoos absolutely. Uh.

22:19

Pete also wanted to point out there are a few forward

22:22

thinking zoos, progressive zoos that are

22:24

trying their best to do right, like Monstory

22:27

Zoos. So the Baltimore

22:29

Zoo, good for you, Detroit Zoo, we

22:32

love Detroit Point Defiance

22:34

Zoo and Aquarium, and the North Carolina Zoo

22:37

are apparently doing a pretty decent job of giving

22:39

back. What was the last one? North Carolina?

22:42

Okay, So Atlanta's not in there? Huh.

22:44

No, Atlanta's not in there. Grant Park, you've

22:47

been there lately? Um?

22:49

Year or so ago? Two years ago? Um?

22:52

Have you heard of the lu Gen Zoo? No,

22:54

but I'll bet it's in China. It's in Argentina,

22:58

maybe l u J and maybe

23:00

it's not Lujon. They

23:03

have an awful zoo where you can go

23:05

and sit on the back of a

23:07

lion, or get

23:09

in the cage with a tiger and pet the tiger, or

23:12

bottle feed a bobcat and

23:15

you can do this when you pay your fifty bucks.

23:17

And it is a truly terrible thing

23:19

because you're not supposed to ride lions.

23:22

No, people aren't supposed to interact with these

23:24

predators like that. If the Darwin Awards

23:26

have taught us anything, that you

23:28

have to sign a thing when you go in there saying that if

23:30

I get killed, then it's not your fault. Then it's

23:32

just thinning the hurt. But I don't usually do this.

23:35

But there is actually an online petition against this

23:37

this place. It's at the petition

23:39

site dot com and they

23:41

need ten thousand signatures and there

23:43

even so, even

23:45

if you like zoos, you don't like the Lujon

23:48

zoo. It's not a good thing. And

23:50

what about Chuck. You know, we we talked

23:53

about zoos. What about aquariums? What about sea

23:55

world? Should a killer whale be kept

23:57

in a little tank? Of course, it's gonna

23:59

eat it. Strainer at some point.

24:01

Yeah, I've blogged about that. Yeah, that's it's

24:04

a killer whale. Which camp

24:06

are you? I don't know.

24:09

As far as zoos go, I

24:11

don't know if I want to say every zoo should be shut down,

24:13

but definitely a lot of these animals

24:15

shouldn't be kept in captivity, like elephants.

24:18

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24:20

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24:23

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