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Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from

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house Stuff Works dot com.

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Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Josh Clark. I almost forgot who i

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was for a second. There's Charles W. Chuck

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Bryant. Yeah, there's Jerry or

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is she really there? I don't

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even know anymore because it just occurred

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to me. We're doing a show on uh

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TV show fan Theories, and

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we have our own little fan theory here that

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Jerry doesn't exist. Yeah, that's true. That's

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a fan theory which is sort of a common thread.

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And a lot of these is either like, oh they

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were really dead or you

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know, or they didn't exist to begin with, right,

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and so we've heard from people for years. I think that Jerry's

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made up. I love it, Yes, because

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they're right. We're we're

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not saying no, actually, Jerry totally

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real. Anyway, I'm

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looking at it right now. So I was going

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through the internet looking for

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think pieces essays on why

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people come up with fan theories

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or what about fan theories make them,

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you know, make shows better. I couldn't

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find anything. No,

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I think the answer is obvious. I think

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that's why I couldn't find anything.

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Too. People just have time on their

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hands. That's not what I was gonna

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say. I was gonna say

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that it takes something that's

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already pretty enjoyable and adds entirely

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new dimensions in depth to it.

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It takes something familiar and

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you can go back and rewatch it through different

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lens now and you

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have time on your hands. Right, It's

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definitely not something that super busy people

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do, you know. No, And

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then I also was like, maybe I should just calm

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down. We don't have to explain everything. We can

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just have fun sharing fan theories.

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That's what we're gonna do. It's like a summer

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break one. Yeah, this feels like one

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of those. I'm we're both drunk, sure,

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pretty drunk. I'm just kidding

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kids out there, we're

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just joking. Should

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we just get right into these? Yes?

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Some of these are gonna be shorter, others are going to be

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a little longer, and we're just gonna

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kind of jump around. Right. Should

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we start with the Granddaddy

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or end with the Granddaddy?

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Uh? Well, it's the Granddaddy to you Uma

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by the wall? No? Do you

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like that one though? Yeah? And

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I thought maybe if I said it, Yeah, I think we'll start with

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say, by the Bell. I don't know why. I thought if I said it,

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really only I would

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know what you were saying. Um, we'll

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start with say by the bell, we'll finish with one that

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I know you're talking about. Okay, cool, that's very

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um click

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baity, I know, but so one you won't believe

2:49

the last one. One

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of the things that um is

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really hard to do when

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it comes up when you when it comes to fan theories,

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we should say, I guess we should define. A fan theory

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is basically, it's where somebody

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who likes the show says,

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hey, you know this show that you think

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means this or is about all this, It's

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actually this is what's

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going on almost all the time.

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It's just somebody's idea. But the

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part of the backbone of a fan theory is

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that it has to hold up and

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just about every circumstance. Yeah,

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and I'll get one out of the way quickly.

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Is a bad example, because to

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me, a bad fan theory is uh

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murder. She wrote she was really a serial killer

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because you know, you never

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found out what happened to her husband and all these people

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are dying around her. I like that one,

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yeah, but it's just too easy. It's not like to

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me. A good fan theory is one you can say,

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and this happened, and look at this, and what

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about this? About this? So I know

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what you mean, and yes you a fan theory doesn't

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have to do there else it's just some schmo saying

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something somewhere. But murder, she wrote,

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has a couple of things to back that up besides

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the husband. And the husband

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I think is whatever. But but the

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point that I've seen here there Number

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one is Jessica Fletcher is a murder

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author of murder mystery authoress,

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and she murders

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go follow her everywhere she goes. Right,

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think about the last time you stumbled

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upon a murder, Well,

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that's just called TV. Okay, So that's one thing

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hold on. And then secondly,

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even when she travels, she

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stumbles upon new murders.

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But more to the point, in

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her little town of Cabot Cove, a

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population, a

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significant number of the say two

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hundred seventy four episodes of murder she

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wrote, took place there. If

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even two hundred of those murders

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happened in a town of it

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would be the murder capital of the world

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percentage wise per capita. So

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I see what you're saying by the fact that she's a writer. It's not

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like she's a detective. Like you

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can't say it. Boy, the eight team we're always getting in these

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crazy adventures like they were hired to each Yeah,

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they were seeking it out. She just happens

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to be sucked into it. She just happens

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to be there. Right. I've never seen that at TV

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show either, so that probably something to do with it. What never

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seen murder? She wrote, shock because

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I was a thirteen year old

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boy, not a year

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old person. It's even better now, really,

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Yeah, you're rewatching it? Oh yeah,

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it's on Netflix and I think prime. Oh

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yeah, man, it's good. Check it out.

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And I'm not saying like, oh, murder, she wrote

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good on my hipster. I've been watching Murder,

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she wrote for years and years now,

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Pal, yeah, you know have a beard.

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No, but but hold

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on, I think I want to extend this for a second.

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You raised a very good point, and I feel like

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I defended murder. She wrote with that same

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point that a fan theory has

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to have meat on its bones.

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It can't be an offhanded thing. It's

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proved what you just said. Prove

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why Jessica Fletcher is a serial killer.

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Well that's that. They there's a couple of them.

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It's a little thin, granted, but there's

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something to back it up, which makes it a decent

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fan theory. Not the best, but a decent

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one. The other thing is it's really

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difficult to pinpoint the origin

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of fan theories. Oh

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yeah, like who did this first? Yeah, who

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came up with this idea? Well,

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I've got one for you. So we're

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going to talk about the saved by the Bell fan theory.

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And people are just like nervous

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with anticipation about that one. Now, as far

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back as I can tell, it looks

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like a person. A writer

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on the website Cracked Cracks website,

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a writer named um Man

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I lost their name Logan Trent, in

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two thousand twelve wrote a post called

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Saved by the Bell a conspiracy theory.

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Um so he originated this one. As

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far as I can tell, he gives zero credit

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to anybody else. And the way that

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the post has written, it really comes across

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like he is laying out his

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argument himself. So

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it's possible. And if if, if

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you had this idea prior to two

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thousand twelve, and you're not Logan Trent

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let us know. But I'm bestowing

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Logan Trent with the origin of the

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Saved by the Bell fan theory, which

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is one of the best. Yeah, and um

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big shout out to Cract and Mental

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Flaws and our own article and

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who else was me? TV had

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a good one? Yeah? Um, Paste

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magazine had one. Uh. There's

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there's a lot of good fan theory uh

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articles out there all right. So at

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long last Saved by the Bell and I

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like this one, and I don't. I don't remember

7:42

watching this show at all. What but

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I I know these characters

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and the gist. So I had to have

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watched it at some point. You didn't watch Saved

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by the Bell. No, it wouldn't. That

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would in my wheelhouse, I guess not. Older

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teenage boy slash college Um,

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well they had Saved the Bell of college years. They's

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just for you. Uh. But I

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do know these characters, so it had to have

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absorbed into me somehow. Um.

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So here's the deal. Pre Saved

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by the Bell. This I did not know. Um.

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There was a TV show was

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it called Good Morning Miss Bliss? Yes? And it

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was unbearably bad. He

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saw that too. So the idea of this show

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is there's this boy named Zack. This is an Indiana,

8:24

not just Zack, Zack Morris, Yeah, the Zach

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played by Mark Paul Gosler, right,

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Um, this was an Indiana,

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of course, not California. And

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he was troublemaker. And there

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was a teacher named Miss Bliss who was super

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smart and always thwarted him. She was

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what's the name of the lady who was in the original

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Parent Trap played the two twins, Hayley

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Mills. Yeah it was her. Oh

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okay. Apparently like

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then, when you signed a contract with Disney

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as a child, they own you for a

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life. Um.

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He has a couple of friends named Mikey and

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Nicky. Uh, they're always putting

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him in his place. Uh. He has a brother,

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his parents are divorced, and

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by all accounts, Zack Morris and good

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morning, Miss Bliss is a

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bit of a schlub who is always sort of

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getting his come up it's from other people. Yeah, kind

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of a loser. Yeah, basically

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the opposite of Zack

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Morris and Saved by the Bell. Did

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the ever say Zach attack? I

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think so. I think there's a T shirt even

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that said that. So flash

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forward and how many years later was this couple.

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So good morning, Miss Bliss goes off

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the air. I get the feeling it wasn't very

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popular, or they wouldn't

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have rebooted it as Saved

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by the Bell. They would have just you know, kept

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it going exactly. Uh to

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say, by the Bell comes along and now Zack

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is at Bayside in California. He's

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Mr. Everything. He's

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as this article points out, he's

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the most popular kid, ins cool, and excels in everything,

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sports, music, casual, racism,

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whatever. That's that's

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the logan transporting. Uh.

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He's the alpha and his circle friends Mikey

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and Nikki are gone. Yeah,

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they're just gone. No explanation, right,

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and there's no explanation for any of this, like how he got to

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California. But it's it's the same

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character, right, it's the exact same character, but

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there are some huge, huge changes, Like

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at his core he is a different

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person. Actually not necessarily

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at his core, but as far as how he's treated

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and viewed by his peers and everyone

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else, he's the

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differences night and day. He's not

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a duet anymore. He's not a loser. He's

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he's a total winner. Has

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logan trend points out, like um,

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if he were to miss a quiz,

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rather than fail, he would convince

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the teacher to hold a bake off, and then he would

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win the bake off by cheating. Like

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That's that was how like he went through life.

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And also very notably his

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parents were no longer divorced, they were married,

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and he didn't have a brother. He was an only child

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and was beloved by all right,

11:07

Yeah he had Uh. I think Slater

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was went from his rival to his um sort

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of his pal, but his you know, his

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second Yeah, his wingman, Screech

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was around in both, but

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I think he was sort of screeching both, right, didn't

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changed much, Yeah, it Screech

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has always been screeched alright,

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So what's the big reveal? What's the fan theory? So

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the fan theory is that Saved

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by the Bell is the

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daydream fantasy

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of Zack Morris who's actually living

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in back in Indiana at

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John F. Kennedy Junior High

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and that the whole it's great man, and

11:47

that the whole um, the whole

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premise of this this fan

11:52

theory is revealed through the theme

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song, right, right, So in

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the theme song, the theme

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song talk it's about like how harried Zack

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is Well, it's all first person, right,

12:04

but you assume that it's talking about Zack, because the whole show

12:07

is it revolves around Zack. He's the narrator

12:10

um, and he's

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having like a lot of trouble, like getting

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ready and he gets out to the bus just in

12:17

time to see it fly by, and the teacher's

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gonna pop a test and he knows he's in a mess

12:21

and dog ate all his homework, And if you

12:23

actually watch the show, nothing

12:26

ever gets Zach. He's untouchable.

12:30

So in the theme song it says,

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it's all right because I'm saved

12:34

by the bell, right, yes, which

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this fan theory suggests that once once

12:40

he settles in, either settles

12:42

into class and starts day dreaming or gets home at

12:44

night and starts dreaming, he can go

12:46

off to bay Side, where he's the biggest

12:48

winner around. That is the bell,

12:51

right. So the

12:53

fact that these lyrics, by the time

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I grab my books and I give myself a look, I'm at

12:57

the corner just in time to see the bus, and

13:01

then eventually writing low in my chair, so she,

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uh, she won't know I'm there, meaning the

13:05

teacher. This all is

13:08

Zack in Indiana it describes

13:11

a different person. Doesn't make any

13:13

sense that these lyrics if you had

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not known that that was a show that existed and

13:18

all you knew was saved by the bill, these

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lyrics don't make any sense. But

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they do if it is all a

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fantasy in his imagination. Sadly,

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it also makes sense if you think

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that the producers hired the composer before

13:32

they were really aware of what the show is

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going to be like, and that's what

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the composer came up with. Lyrics wise,

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Yeah, that's not nearly as fun. Well,

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the other thing I like about fan theories is that there

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almost not real

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it's just fans having fun. But I like

13:50

the idea to imagine like

13:52

some subversive writer that's like, oh,

13:54

well here's what we'll do. This is all elaborate

13:57

fantasy of this Zack guy.

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I've got one other thing that the I think

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the Cracked article points out if

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not someone else came up with it later. They

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pointed out that Zach has the power to

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stop time and

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and address the camera like he breaks the fourth

14:13

wall fairly regularly, and

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um, he can just stop time

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and move around within this

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frozen time, which

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also, I mean that's a weird thing

14:24

for somebody to be able to do if they're not in the

14:26

middle of their own day dream or

14:28

night dream. I love it, man, that's

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a good one. Um.

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And you know, uh,

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things like Mikey and Nikki disappeared.

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Um. At one point, Kelly

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is in love with him and then she just is gone

14:43

with no explanation. Yeah he he people kind

14:45

of pop in and out sometimes with no explanation

14:47

at all. I think Kelly dumped him and then like

14:49

all of a sudden, she's gone. And

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she was like one of the characters

14:53

throughout the entire save by the bell Um,

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and then she's just gone once she dumps Zach.

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He's he's Terry. He's really bad at school, but he got

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a fifteen o two in the s A t Like all

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this stuff is like dream dream stuff.

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Right. Well, that's another point that Logan

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Trent makes is that a fifteen o two is

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literally impossible, Like you

15:12

can't score a fifteen two. Yeah,

15:16

so it's all it's even more evidence

15:18

that all this is made up and

15:21

by apparently not so smart kid

15:23

man. So that's saved by the bell

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Man. You want to take a break

15:27

and then get get back to it. I think so

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I could do this all day. All right, all

15:58

right, we'll go through a couple of quicker ones here. The

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Fresh Prince is dead. Yeah,

16:04

I kind of really don't need to say anything else, do you. Well?

16:07

In the uh the TV's

16:09

theme song where he talks about

16:11

getting in a fight and that's the whole reason he's sent

16:14

to Bill bell Air. Yeah, the Fresh Prince

16:16

of bel Air. It's a TV show from

16:19

and the rap that Will Smith, the

16:22

real life Will Smith actually plays a character

16:25

named Will Smith, and he talks about getting

16:27

in a fight and getting sent off to bell Air

16:29

to get out, you know, to get him away from the rough

16:31

neighborhood and what Philly West,

16:34

Philadelphia born and raised

16:37

and um, so the theory is

16:39

that he was actually killed during this fight,

16:42

and um everything else is

16:45

you know, his h journey in the

16:47

afterlife. Yeah. The cab that picks him

16:49

up to take him in bell Air, the rare cab

16:53

is supposedly God or some

16:55

sort of um ethereal

16:57

figure that's taking him to the after

17:00

life, which is bel Air. His

17:02

parents are like basically non existent, but

17:04

they show up a couple of times. Uh.

17:07

This is explained away by the fan theory

17:10

as his parents visiting their son's grave. It's

17:13

pretty awesome. And then

17:15

um boys, the men apparently showed

17:17

up at one point, but they were like a heavenly

17:20

choir. Oh, I don't remember

17:22

that episode. So that

17:25

put all that together. Fresh Prince is

17:27

dead? That's right? What

17:30

do you wanna do next? Should we do? Do? Uh?

17:33

That? The two of them from Gilligan's Island?

17:36

Yeah? The drug ones super lame? Yeah,

17:39

I thought so too. There's this one theory that

17:41

the and this was. You're right,

17:43

it's just dumb that that Mr Howell

17:45

on Gilligan's Island paid Gilligan

17:48

and the Skipper to take him

17:50

out to see to do a drug deal, which is why he has a

17:52

trunkload of catch, trunk

17:54

full of cash. Ginger's

17:56

got a drug habit, Maryann's a federal agent.

17:59

This just sounds like, you know, like,

18:02

uh, someone smokes some weed and

18:05

came up with like like someone said, hey,

18:07

what's your first idea of what Gilligan's Island could

18:09

have been other than what it was?

18:12

And they were drug thing? Man, I

18:15

think you nailed it. But

18:18

there's a better fan theory for Gilligan's

18:21

Island that Gilligan's island

18:23

is hell, that this,

18:25

like The Fresh Prince of bel Air, takes place in

18:27

the afterlife, but not in heaven, in

18:30

Hell, or at least in purgatory,

18:32

That the Minnows shipwreck

18:35

um caused everyone on board to drown,

18:38

and that in Hell, each one of the

18:40

characters represents one of the seven deadly

18:43

sins Ginger's lust,

18:46

Marianna's envy, Professor's

18:48

pride, thirst in Hell, of

18:50

course it's greed. Uh,

18:53

Mrs Howell, I've seen a sloth and

18:55

gluttony seen that too. I've

18:57

also seen Skipper as either gluttony or wrath.

19:00

Wrath makes a lot more sense. And then Gilligan

19:02

is sloth or is Satan himself?

19:05

Yeah. And one of the giveaways for Gilligan

19:07

being Satan, well, there's two of them.

19:09

One is that he's always wearing a red shirt.

19:12

Oh well, so obviously Satan

19:15

because Satan horror red rugby shirt.

19:17

Uh. And then uh, he's always although

19:20

it seems like it's always accidental,

19:22

he's always thwarting their plans, Like

19:24

every time they get something something going

19:27

to get off of the island, Gilligan is

19:29

the one who somehow screws it. Up and they're stuck

19:31

there again. So he's keeping them in

19:33

hell and this one actually has

19:35

legs. Yeah, apparently.

19:39

Sherwood Schwartz, the creator Gilligan's

19:41

Island Uh, in a book, confirmed

19:44

that they did. It was his idea

19:47

that they did stand for the Seven Deadly Sins? Is

19:49

that right? Yeah, So there

19:51

you go one of the rare fan theories

19:53

that actually was true. I

19:56

wonder whoever whoever thought of that was like, no,

19:59

yeah, I was right. Well

20:01

that makes me wonder if somehow it got out or something

20:04

maybe or he was retroactively

20:06

just being like, yeah, yeah, that's what I meant. Schwartz.

20:11

Here's a quick spot from

20:13

Star Trek one that I kind of liked. We'll

20:16

do both of the Star Trek ones about that. Um

20:19

and UM on

20:21

record is not having watched Star Trek

20:24

Yeah, I mean me neither. But in Star

20:27

Trek six, the

20:29

Undiscovered Country, the

20:31

Undiscovered Country. Sorry,

20:36

people are so mad at me right now. Trek

20:38

he's uh. And an

20:40

ancestor of mine maintained that

20:42

when you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains,

20:45

however improbable, must be the truth. And

20:47

that was Spock in that movie. And

20:49

the source of that was Sherlock Holmes himself

20:52

from the Sign of Four from a

20:55

book. And so the

20:58

idea here is that Spock is related Sherlock

21:00

Holmes. It's a little weird

21:03

aw about that, but I could see it. I mean they're both

21:05

pretty rational. Well, Sherlock

21:07

Holmes, he loved his speedballs. I don't

21:09

think Spot was ever into those. No,

21:11

he was more involved. You know, Sherlock Holmes

21:14

love speedballs, though, don't you. I did not.

21:16

Doesn't surprise me. It surprised

21:18

me at first. So

21:21

there's another um Star Trek one. I love

21:23

this one that Andy

21:25

Griffith is the

21:28

pre apocalyptic world

21:32

that leads into Star Trek,

21:35

and this one is pretty awesome. So

21:38

it's based on a Star

21:40

Trek episode Chuck Mirie

21:42

m I R I like Sirie, but with an

21:44

M and um.

21:47

In this episode, the Star Trek crew

21:49

beams down to Earth

21:52

and it's very obvious it's

21:55

Mayberry, but it's like a poke post

21:57

apocalyptic Mayberry. It's

21:59

people entirely by kids. And

22:01

the reason why it's people entirely by kids because

22:03

some disease has broken out where

22:06

um, you die at the onset of

22:08

puberty. Yeah,

22:10

and it's uh, well it

22:13

is Mayberry because it is Mayberry. It's literally

22:15

the same back lot that they shot

22:17

both shows at and they just outfitted

22:20

Mayberry to be posted apocalyptic

22:22

right down to like Floyd's barbershop. Yeah,

22:25

but I think they just scratched out Floyd. They scratched

22:27

out the f and it just said Lloyd. Oh did it?

22:30

I don't know. I think it's said Floyd's did it really?

22:32

Yeah? Oh it's that on the nose. Huh. I think so,

22:34

oh, this one's great. This is

22:36

a great fan seal it for you. Then well

22:38

there's another part two that um

22:41

the kid who played Barney

22:43

Fife's cousin Virgil. Uh,

22:46

he actually appears in this

22:48

Star Trek episode. What. Yeah,

22:51

so it's full circle. Gene Roddenberry

22:53

was like, I'm gonna come up with a fan theory.

22:55

No one knows what those are yet, but I'm

22:57

going to lay it down for him decades now

23:01

the internet comes around. I don't know what

23:03

that is, but it's going to be something. I'm

23:05

Gene Roddenberry. You know, the the

23:07

beginning of Andy Griffith when they're

23:10

you know, walking down to the lake and he skipped

23:12

the stones on the lake. It's like right

23:14

in the Hollywood Hills, Is that right?

23:16

Yeah? My brother drove me up there one

23:19

time and it's like this look familiar. Uh,

23:21

And he started whistling the theme song and I was like

23:24

no, wow. He said yeah, and he's

23:26

like the bat caves like over there. Oh

23:28

yeah yeah, and it's sort of you know, killed

23:30

my dreams. The same with mash too.

23:33

That's like the Hollywood Hills,

23:37

well, like the mountains behind

23:39

Malibu. Um, when you fly

23:41

into l A, you can and you're looking for you

23:44

like, oh, I totally see that.

23:46

That what we're talking about is the helicopter

23:48

in the opening UM montage

23:52

for mash. Um was

23:55

like, it's supposedly flying through Korea,

23:58

but it's actually Yes, it's California where

24:00

they're shooting, which is way cheaper to shoot.

24:02

Yeah, we shot. I mean I shot a TV commercial

24:04

over there, and I think we talked about

24:06

this before. There's you know, one of the jeeps is still out

24:09

there. I don't know, I don't remember that rusted

24:11

out and overgrown with weeds and

24:13

um, but yeah, it's like an old army jeep. There're

24:16

a couple of little remnants. Jamie Farr is still

24:18

out there, like, hey, how you doing. Thanks for visiting.

24:20

You need anyone today? Can I get a lift back? You

24:23

need background? I'll be I'm

24:25

cheap. That's terrible. Is he still

24:27

around? I'm supposed to

24:29

know this. He's like my hometown's

24:32

favorite son. Oh was he

24:34

really from there? From Toledo? Yeah? Is that why

24:36

they did wrote that into the show. Yeah, and he's always

24:38

talking about Tony Pacos, which is a real place.

24:41

Oh yeah, I knew all that, but I didn't know if it was.

24:43

You know, Jamie far is definitely from Toledo. Okay,

24:45

Well they never let you forget it.

24:48

Yeah, he's eighty two. Hey, Jamie Far,

24:51

God's pizza. Um?

24:53

What else we got? So? Um?

24:57

This one is one of my favorites. This good one. Gar

25:00

Field, Oh yeah, is dying

25:02

alone in an abandoned house and

25:05

everything that you've seen in all

25:08

except I believe six of

25:10

the Garfield Strips, all of them that have been

25:13

going on since nine is

25:16

the hallucination of a dying, starving cat

25:19

in an abandoned house. Yeah. I was way

25:21

into Garfield. Garfield was great,

25:24

but the books Garfield and Bloom County

25:26

were my two biggies. I was never into bloom

25:28

County. Man I loved it. Um,

25:33

I did love Garfield, though, I mean it was a little

25:35

bloom County is a little more advanced, I think, and

25:38

it's humor, um,

25:40

which I still got. But Garfield was like kind of perfect

25:42

for a ten year old Chuck. It was perfect.

25:46

So what you're talking about is, in October of n

25:49

Jim Davis, the creative, Garfield said,

25:51

you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put out six strips

25:53

in a row that are not

25:57

funny. No, they're actually kind of unsightling.

25:59

Yeah, very bleak. And if you go and look at these strips

26:01

you can find him online obviously. Um,

26:04

it's Garfield alone in an abandoned

26:06

house, and it's really

26:08

heavy. Yes, Garfield

26:11

wakes up in the first strip and no

26:13

one's around, and he's starting to get

26:15

a little panicked, and then it just

26:18

kind of continues on and and his

26:20

panic continues to build over the course

26:22

of the six strips. Um

26:25

and finally in the last one, I believe,

26:28

Uh, he wakes up and

26:30

John and Odie are there and everything's back

26:32

to normally so happy. But leading

26:35

up to that point in strip like three four

26:37

five, it's it's getting a

26:39

little freaky and um

26:42

again, like you said, there's nothing funny about it's

26:44

not It wasn't intended to be funny. It was intended to

26:46

scare. And the idea

26:48

is is that what we're seeing in these

26:51

six strips are the actual

26:53

reality of Garfield and that everything

26:55

else. He finally manages to go back

26:57

to his basically dying fee

27:00

her dream that featured John and Odi.

27:02

Yeah, but well they disappear though in that strip too

27:05

at the end. Yeah, Like they appear and

27:07

then like he goes to give him food and then they like disappear

27:10

and he's alone again at the end

27:12

of that sixth trip. Yeah, okay, so he's

27:14

hallucinated them and then

27:17

is alone and abandoned. So that's

27:19

why. Okay, Right, So then that backs

27:21

up that whole idea that, yeah, that they're just

27:23

a hallucination, because they're demonstrated as an

27:26

hallucination in that sixth series trip.

27:28

Yeah, and he's six strip series. That

27:30

was his intent was very

27:32

much to do something sad and different, and

27:35

I think he heard quite a bit from the fans

27:38

like what is going on? And then

27:40

apparently he kind of laughed at

27:42

the idea when someone said, hey, uh,

27:46

you realize what people think that this is all

27:48

a big hallucination, like every other strip

27:50

you've drawn as a hallucination of this

27:52

dying cat. And he laughed about it, but

27:54

like what what else? What were people supposed

27:56

to think? That? He just got

27:58

really heavy and and yourd for six

28:00

strips. And I think the other thing that was so off

28:02

putting about it too, is it resolves

28:06

or there there is no resolution? I

28:08

think on that that seventh day, the Sunday

28:10

one just picks up like everything is totally normal,

28:13

and it never which makes it even

28:15

more unsettling. And then

28:17

Chuck, there's a there's

28:19

a clear I don't know if

28:21

it was a reference to it or coincidence or

28:23

whatever, but there's this UM

28:26

animated movie called

28:28

Allegro Non Tropo and

28:30

there's a segment in it, um

28:33

what's the name of the segment Valves

28:36

triast about a cat

28:39

that turns out to be a ghost cat. Have you seen it?

28:41

It's very good haunting, but

28:44

it's sort of parallels to Scarfield story very much.

28:47

Whether or not was purposeful, we don't know that part right

28:50

or did Jim Davis like discount that too. I've

28:52

never heard whether or not he

28:55

discounts that. Yeah, but

28:57

that's definitely go check out the Garfields

28:59

strips to just look up like Garfield

29:01

dead or dying or whatever and it'll

29:04

bring him up. But um, also just I'm

29:06

sure it's on YouTube. Just look up valves

29:08

v A L S E treats t R I S

29:11

t E and uh, it will,

29:13

it'll get to you. It's very sad.

29:16

Uh And you should plug your favorite thing, uh

29:19

ever, which is Garfield without Garfield. Oh

29:21

yeah, that's great. Yeah, which

29:23

in that case it was John who was just

29:25

crazy and hallucinating, right, Yeah, you could

29:28

make a pretty good case that John was out

29:30

of his mind when you take Garfield

29:32

out of any given strip and

29:35

it's just John like, yeah, shouting out loud,

29:38

like he's just like like putting his head

29:40

down on the counter. Good stuff. Yeah,

29:42

I forgot about that. You

29:44

want to take a break. Yeah, we'll

29:46

take a break and go through another couple of quickies

29:48

and then the big Daddy.

30:00

M all

30:15

right, did you see this Breaking Bad one? Yeah?

30:18

Um, this one has spoilers for

30:21

Breaking Bad and

30:23

a little bit of The Walking Dead, So if you haven't seen that, tune

30:26

out. But there is a theory

30:28

that's actually I think kind of cool because

30:30

I love both shows Breaking Bad and Walking

30:32

Dead. That the

30:35

blue meth from Breaking Bad

30:37

is what caused the the

30:40

zombie outbreak in

30:43

the Walking Dead. Yeah,

30:46

and that's bad. Yeah, but I

30:48

mean it seems like they're totally unconnected

30:50

until you start digging

30:53

in there. That's right when you look at

30:55

season one, the character of Glenn Hey

30:57

shout out to Stephen Young, he's a listen

31:00

of stuff you should know. Yeah, what up? Dog?

31:02

Hopefully still is not anymore.

31:05

Uh. He drives a red Dodge Challenger

31:08

in that first season UM,

31:11

which looks kind of like Walter White's car that he eventually

31:14

ends up with, and then in Breaking

31:16

Bad, when Walter White returns that

31:18

Dodge, he takes it back and the manager's

31:21

uh the dealership's general manager is

31:23

named Glenn Ohhen

31:27

the best one is it comes in season

31:29

two if you ask me, Yeah, I agree, you take

31:32

it buddy. Uh? Because

31:34

why you didn't watch either one of these shows? No? No, I did.

31:36

Okay, I saw all Breaking Bad and I've seen

31:40

I can't remember how far it seemed pretty far into

31:43

um Walking Dead. I'm behind him Walking Dead

31:45

by like one season. I need

31:47

to go back catch up.

31:49

Yeah, Anyway, season two, Darryl

31:52

played by Norman Rita's is um

31:56

trying to take the fever down on tea dog

32:00

another character. Right, why's

32:02

it funny?

32:05

Uh So his brother Merle, he is um.

32:07

He is like this bag of drugs basically,

32:09

so he looks through the bag, see faces, there's

32:12

anything that can help bring the fever down, and

32:14

there is that blue crystal meth from

32:17

Breaking Bad in his bag. So

32:20

that's in a good little hint ye.

32:23

And then before the Zombie Apocalypse,

32:25

Merle, his brother h

32:28

was actually a drug dealer and he

32:30

described in one episode his

32:33

supplier was quote a jankie,

32:35

little white guy who threatened him with

32:37

a handgun and said I'm gonna kill

32:39

you, b word, And

32:42

that very much sounds like uh Jesse

32:44

Pinkman. Yeah. The only way he could have gotten it across

32:47

more is if he'd mentioned fat

32:49

stacks or something, right, that

32:51

would have been like super on the nose. Though, So

32:54

that's that's a pretty fun theory. It is obviously

32:58

meth equals death everybody, that's right, especially

33:01

Blue. Well, the one thing I didn't get was like, what are

33:03

like all those people on meth? But

33:05

then I thought, no, maybe just a certain amount

33:08

and then they infected other people with

33:10

their zombie juice. Uh

33:14

okay, I got one. All right, this

33:16

is this is an old one, but I think it's a good

33:18

one. The flint Stones and

33:21

the Jetsons take place at the exact

33:23

same time. It's a good

33:25

one that the flint Stones are not prehistoric.

33:27

They're actually set in a

33:30

post apocalyptic future. And

33:33

it's say that doesn't make any sense,

33:36

does it? The author,

33:38

I think this came from mental floss, points

33:40

out why would some

33:42

cave people create record

33:44

players with whatever they had on hand?

33:47

No one in prehistoric times knew what a record

33:49

player was, but if you were

33:52

living in the post apocalyptic times,

33:54

you would want to be able to listen to

33:56

records because they had already been invented, so

33:59

you would figure out how to make a bird put

34:01

its beak on a record and use that

34:03

instead. Why do they celebrate

34:05

Christmas in prehistoric times? Good question?

34:08

Why DoD? Why does the music and the flint

34:10

Stones any popular music is always

34:12

like fifties, like

34:15

English British invasion type of I

34:18

forgot about that. Twitch twitch um.

34:22

Why do they have a banking system? Yeah,

34:26

yeah, that's fairly complex. It is why

34:28

are these animals talking, Well, that's

34:30

just weird. Yeah, I don't know if you

34:32

can like place

34:35

that at the feet of George Jetson. The The

34:37

thing about the Jetsons though, is supposedly they

34:39

are living up in uh it's

34:41

not cloud City's orbit City,

34:44

um, which is supposedly built

34:46

in the clouds above a small line,

34:48

which is where the flint Stones live below

34:51

the small line. And allegedly the thing

34:53

that divides them really more than anything

34:55

is income. Yeah,

34:58

that the Jetsons are wealthy and part of the

35:00

ones that can survive and live up in the clean

35:02

air. The flint Stones are part that

35:04

have to scrape by with whatever

35:07

they can find back here on Earth. Well,

35:09

and that George and Fred mirror one

35:11

another, and that Fred labors

35:13

at this uh, I

35:15

mean, I don't even know what you call that, like a

35:18

a Corey yeah with Mr Slate

35:20

um, whereas George works at spacely rockets

35:23

and assess in this article works

35:25

for a total of about nine hours a week. And

35:27

then robots and computers handle everything else.

35:30

That's supposedly how our life

35:32

is supposed to be right now, but we're

35:34

not doing it right really. Yeah,

35:36

And now robots are just stealing everyone's job.

35:39

But we don't have anything to show for it except

35:41

for joblessness, but

35:44

the bad kind. Right. Um.

35:46

There was a movie called The Jetson's Meet

35:49

the flint Stones, and in that very

35:51

movie, George Jetson visits

35:53

the past and has a little

35:56

kind of a throwaway comment when he sees

35:58

green grass and he says that it's

36:00

something he remembers from ancient history. Right,

36:03

so that one kind of undermines the whole idea.

36:06

Oh, I don't know. Well, if he's saying

36:08

that he from ancient

36:10

history, oh I see that part.

36:13

Yeah, like there was an apocalypse and there was no grass.

36:15

But if he visits the past, I

36:18

don't know. This is falling apart where we

36:20

talk about it. It It undermines that one. I'm

36:22

really great Kazoo? What was up with that

36:25

guy? Yeah?

36:27

Well this is where stuff you should know is evolved. To remember

36:31

the Great Kazoo? What

36:34

was up with that guy? The

36:37

whole Christmas thing is weird to me that the

36:39

flint Stones would celebrate Christmas when they

36:41

were clearly supposedly before the birth of

36:43

Christ as being in prehistoric times.

36:46

And no, it doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of

36:49

stuff. The flint Stones didn't make sense about

36:52

um,

36:54

how about the Scooby Doo and I thought this was pretty

36:56

great, uh, and not Scooby

36:59

Doo. See, this is the difference between a good fan

37:01

theory and a bad one. Bad one. Scooby

37:03

and Shaggy are always stoned because

37:06

look, they're bumbling, and they're always

37:08

hungry for Scooby Snacks, for Scooby

37:10

snacks. Bad fan theory, good

37:13

fan theory. Scooby Doo takes

37:15

place after the world

37:17

economy has shattered, right, that's

37:19

great. Yeah, and there's a lot to

37:22

it, right. Yeah. So the idea

37:24

is that these guys are driving

37:26

around and if you really look at the places that

37:28

they visit, everything's abandoned

37:31

and run down, always like abandoned

37:33

amusement park, abandoned ski resort,

37:36

abandoned everything. Um.

37:39

And not only are these places abandoned there,

37:42

they're populated by people

37:44

who are squatting basically

37:47

in these abandoned places. They live in the abandoned

37:49

place, and um,

37:52

the bad guys are and they

37:54

have no means to support themselves

37:56

other than by carrying

37:58

out these weird, veiled

38:01

crimes that they try to dress

38:03

up as something other world they which

38:05

suggests that their geniuses so

38:08

very very smart people living in squalor

38:12

and are jobless. Yeah,

38:14

was this cracked? Yeah?

38:16

So it says that, uh, out

38:18

of the twenty seven villains in the original UM

38:21

Scooby Doo, Where Are You Run, twenty

38:23

three of the twenty seven are motivated by

38:26

monetary gain via theft, smuggling,

38:29

or land speculation. Uh.

38:32

And like you said, if these people are geniuses, why

38:35

are they you know, like I'm gonna

38:37

squat in this abandoned mansion so I can

38:39

gain ownership of it. It's all very strange.

38:42

Yeah. And they point out that the talents

38:44

that these people have are UM

38:47

indicate a very wide variety

38:50

of UM specific

38:53

schooling. Right. Yeah,

38:55

two were PhD s. Two or three were PhD

38:57

s. Two are lawyers, one had

38:59

an ability to produce forged paintings,

39:01

one could repair boats, one was a magician,

39:04

the stuntman. So these are highly skilled,

39:07

highly specialized UM

39:09

professions that these people are trained

39:12

in or capable of doing. But

39:14

yet they're out of work and they're pulling

39:17

off these very elaborate schemes

39:19

rather than just having a job in their profession.

39:22

Yeah, and even Scooby doo, Like when

39:24

they go into a nice vacation spot, it's

39:26

it's run down and abandoned. It's like Soviet

39:29

level vacation spot. Yeah, pretty

39:31

much. So I thought this

39:33

was a great one. At

39:36

the very least they had some reason to

39:38

not just have it be like normal society that

39:41

they were living in and like they would you know,

39:43

like when you go back and look at them that they were

39:45

weird. Yeah, weird settings

39:47

for shows really sparsely populated

39:50

because it's anime, there's no reason to do that.

39:52

Yeah, I could see if you're like, wait, not much of a budget,

39:54

so we got to go shoot at this abandoned

39:57

musement park. But they

39:59

like if they or at a restaurant, they're almost

40:01

invariably the only people there. Have

40:04

you ever noticed that? It's like a really empty

40:06

series. It's cool. It makes it a

40:08

little more haunting. I like it.

40:10

Are you ready for the last one? All right? I think

40:13

we've waited well long enough. This one

40:15

is based on the television

40:18

hospital procedural drama

40:20

Saying Elsewhere, right, which,

40:22

uh, Saying Elsewhere? If you watched

40:25

it, or even if you didn't, and you just are a fan

40:27

of like famous endings of TV series

40:30

Saying Elsewhere was very famous for its ending

40:32

in that UM also famous

40:34

for having a bunch of like big stars earlier in

40:36

their careers. Yeah, Howie Mandel, Denzel,

40:40

uh At Begley, Yeah, begs

40:42

a lot of other people, UM,

40:44

but it very famously ended with UM.

40:47

At the very end, the uh showed

40:49

a shot at the hospital with the snow falling UM

40:52

and then you pull back and you realize that

40:54

that was actually a

40:57

snow globe held by a boy,

40:59

right, and it's kind of mind blowing. He's like,

41:01

oh my god, because again this is like

41:04

if you watched Eer or anything

41:07

Scrubs, what any normal show

41:09

about hospital life? And

41:11

it's about hospital life. That's what st

41:13

Elsewhere was about. You know, it was weird

41:15

and quirky, but it was it

41:18

was about a hospital. So the idea of drama

41:20

that the last scene of I

41:23

think six seasons, yes,

41:25

six years, a hundred and thirty seven episodes

41:27

about life at a hospital and

41:29

the characters that inhabited and worked

41:32

at this hospital, the

41:34

hospitals in a snow globe. This is totally

41:36

out of left field, right, make

41:38

it even weirder in Walks,

41:41

who had up to this point been

41:43

the director of surgery.

41:45

I think, um,

41:48

Donald Westfall, he's the medical

41:50

director of st Elsewhere. He walks

41:52

in. He's clearly not a doctor.

41:54

He's dressed, he's not dressed like one construction

41:57

guy. Yeah, the way he's talking, he's super like blue

41:59

collar. All of a sudden, and he walks

42:01

into the room where the boy holding

42:04

the snow globe, whose name we will find out is

42:06

Tommy Westfall. Um, he

42:08

is Donald Westfall's son in

42:10

the series Stand Elsewhere. Yeah, he had been on the

42:12

show, but he was never like a big character, and

42:15

he he had autism. And uh.

42:17

In walks Donald Westfall, who's now a construction

42:20

worker, and says he's talking to his own

42:22

father. He's like, I don't get it, Pops. He just sits

42:24

around and looks at that snow globe all day.

42:26

I wonder what he's thinking in his head, which

42:29

suggests pretty strongly.

42:32

Yet everything about

42:34

Saying Elsewhere all hundred and thirty

42:36

seven episodes took place

42:38

in the mind of Tommy Westfall,

42:41

this boy with autism who's sitting

42:43

there staring at his snow globe. Yeah,

42:45

I mean, in fact, it's it's really it was

42:48

even more on the nose than that, he actually says,

42:50

I don't understand this autism thing, Bob.

42:52

He's my son. I talked to him. I don't even

42:55

know if he can hear me. He sits there all

42:57

day long in his own world, staring at

42:59

that toy. What's he thinking about?

43:02

Like they didn't need to say all that.

43:04

They should have just to me, showed that

43:07

and showed him coming in as a construction guy

43:09

and maybe just looked longingly at the

43:11

sun. But he's kind of like, you

43:14

get it. Everyone, So

43:16

America is sitting there like what.

43:20

At the time, this is what nineteen eighty

43:23

eight, I think when it went off, the was

43:26

just like what just happened? That's really

43:28

weird. But then in two

43:30

thousand two it started to get even

43:33

weirder, right because there's a TV

43:35

writer named Dwayne McDuffie,

43:38

and he wrote a post called

43:40

six Degrees of Staining Elsewhere, and he points

43:42

out, wait, everybody,

43:44

if all of stane elsewhere, it took place

43:47

just in Tommy west Fall's mind, And

43:50

then that means that there's a significant

43:52

amount of NBC shows that also

43:55

are just in Tommy west Fall's mind.

43:58

It's come to be called the Tommy west Fall hypothesis

44:00

or the Tommy Westfall universe multiverse.

44:03

Okay, and uh,

44:06

it just spreads and spreads and spreads.

44:08

And there's a really good this paste article

44:10

called Tommy's World. The TV legacy of

44:12

St. Elsewhere's Tommy Westfall Universe

44:15

is pretty pretty much the definitive outside

44:17

post on it, and um,

44:20

it lays out a pretty good thread

44:23

of how shows are connected,

44:26

and since they're connected, that

44:29

means that they're all taking place in the mind of this

44:31

boy with autism, Tommy Westfall. Right,

44:33

and it goes a little something like this, Uh

44:37

the Doctor some of the doctors from St. Elsewhere went

44:39

to Cheers one time, Okay, so that means

44:41

Cheers is in Tommy Westfall's mind. Uh.

44:45

Frazier was a spinoff of Cheers.

44:47

Check. That means Frasier isn't real. Yeah,

44:50

you're getting this. We don't need to say that after each one, do we. I

44:52

think it really drives the point home. If the

44:55

John Larroquette show, um,

44:57

which was actually pretty good. John Larkett

44:59

is great and that show was very underrated,

45:02

but the lead character played by John Larriaicette

45:05

was John Hemingway. Um, he

45:07

called in one time on Frasier's talk

45:10

show on Fraser he was one of the Collins

45:12

as that character. So

45:14

now John Lara Catt's universe

45:18

is in Tommy west Fall's mind. That's

45:20

right. So on the John larric

45:22

Uette show itself, they mentioned

45:26

Yo Yo Dine as a company

45:29

um a tech company, and

45:31

in Star Trek, Yo Yo Dine uh

45:34

made technology used by

45:36

the Enterprise crew. Yo Yo

45:39

Dine right right, Yo

45:41

You're dying, So that means Star Trek

45:44

is in Tommy west Fall's mind. That's

45:46

right. Yo Yo Dine was also appears again

45:49

in Angel the TV Josh Wheeden's

45:51

Angel um

45:53

it was part of the I think he was a client

45:55

of the law firm Wolfman Hart

45:58

Angel okay, and then wolf him in Heart

46:01

um was

46:03

was representation to another

46:06

tech company called Whalon Utani,

46:08

which made tech on the

46:11

TV show Firefly, things are getting

46:13

deep now, right, so now Firefly is

46:15

in Tommy west Fall's mind as well. Uh.

46:18

Then Whitland Utahni ship

46:21

was in a spaceship graveyard on the

46:23

series in Britain, Red

46:25

Dwarf Right and

46:27

then Bring It Home and then the Tartists is

46:30

in the hangar bay of the ship.

46:33

Red Dwarf on the show. So

46:35

that means that Firefly,

46:38

Red Dwarf, and then dr

46:41

who are all in the

46:43

mind of Tommy Westfall because

46:46

all of them are connected back

46:48

to sing Elsewhere. And

46:50

and as the author of this paced article

46:52

points out, this is a normal

46:55

thread. It's spread to

46:57

something like more than four hundred

46:59

t V shows being implicated as

47:02

being in the imagination of Tommy

47:04

Westfall. Yeah. I think the last count I

47:06

saw was four and nineteen shows. Um,

47:10

which you know, if they just get one more

47:12

than all of a sudden, it's a weed theory, right

47:15

you know, Uh, pretty great.

47:17

Tell him about John Munch though, he's like the all

47:19

star character from Tommy Westfall

47:22

universe. All right. That was Belzer's character

47:24

on Homicide Life on the Street and

47:27

that was apparently a spinoff from st Elsewhere.

47:29

It was related to it somehow, Yeah, I think so officially

47:32

related. But then Munch was on

47:34

a bunch of different shows. Yeah, like his character,

47:36

not just the guy who played him, but he

47:39

got he just popped up in different

47:41

shows all over the place, not even necessarily

47:43

just on NBC. Oh yeah, he was on X Files

47:45

and that was Fox, wasn't it. Uh,

47:48

Law and order, he was on the wire,

47:51

uh, and he was on thirty Rock, so

47:54

much Munch is just sitting there since he was

47:57

already connected to St. Elsewhere. Any

47:59

show he pops up Bond, he's obviously

48:01

in the same universe as St. Elsewhere,

48:03

which again is in Tommy west Fall's mind.

48:06

So most of the television in the

48:08

United States

48:11

come, you know, it doesn't exist except in the mind

48:13

of a boy with autism who

48:16

likes this snow globe back in. I

48:19

wonder how much of that was I

48:22

mean, not pre planned, but zero

48:25

from what I understand. Well,

48:27

they clearly meant to show though that St. Elsewhere

48:29

was a figment of his imagination, but

48:31

I don't think they even stopped and thought, oh

48:34

that, you

48:36

know, wow.

48:38

Well, and then most of that stuff came after St. Elsewhere

48:40

too, So I wonder then if someone kind

48:43

of ran with it, like if there's this inside Cabal

48:45

and Hollywood and the w g A

48:48

where people are trying to like, I'm sure try

48:50

these things together. So it's like putting a Wilhelm

48:52

screaming yeah, which we did incorrectly.

48:55

We tried, tried Jerry,

49:01

well, yeah, that was that was just that

49:03

was in s Y S k jam

49:06

Uh you got anything else? No,

49:08

sir, Well, if you want to know more about TV

49:11

fan theories, you can go find him on the internet.

49:14

Send one in though, if you have one that we didn't talk

49:16

about. Yeah, a good one though we defined

49:19

what a fan theory is. Okay, so

49:21

a good one. Yeah, and nothing from lost

49:24

Yeah, yeah, I just don't

49:26

bother if you already

49:28

said all that stuff. So since I said I already

49:30

said all that stuff, it's time for listener mail. I'm

49:35

gonna call this hidden Whiskey. Remember

49:37

our live show in Vancouver we talked about the

49:40

Canadian Club had a very special promo

49:42

in the eighties where they hit cases of whiskey

49:44

all over the world like a big scavenger

49:46

hunt, and not

49:49

all of that whiskey was found. Remember that?

49:52

Yeah? I remember. So this

49:54

guy, Chris ort Loft, writes in about that. He

49:56

said one of them was hidden

49:58

in Lake Flats in New York year before the nineteen

50:00

eighty Olympics and supposedly was never found

50:03

and a few years ago, more than

50:05

three decades later, my mother picked

50:08

up the trail when she discovered

50:10

that it was possibly still out there. I

50:13

love it. This guy's mom was like what fre

50:15

you whiskey? I think she was

50:17

just like it sounds like an adventure, you know, just

50:20

kidding? Uh where you know? Maybe

50:22

she wanted the free whiskey too. Um.

50:25

A fan of cryptic crossword puzzles, word

50:27

games, and snowshoeing, the allure was too

50:29

much for her to pass up. Well, there you have it, plus

50:31

you really liked whiskey. She tracked

50:34

down a man in Connecticut who had previously searched for it,

50:36

spoke with customer service at Canadian Club even

50:38

and with a couple of other leads. She spent months

50:41

turning over the clues, checking current and historical

50:43

maps, and hiking through the woods and fields

50:45

around Lake Placid. I love this guy's

50:48

mom. Yeah. Um. I

50:50

sat down with her a few times with my thinking

50:52

cap on in hopes of unraveling the mystery,

50:54

as did many of her friends and relatives. We have

50:56

lots of research and speculation amassed as a

50:58

result, and I was like kind of nervous reading

51:00

this. I was like, she found it, she didn't

51:03

find it. Um. Sadly, after all the effort

51:05

and intrigue, we still have no idea where it is. Maybe

51:07

some kids took it years ago. Could be completely

51:09

buried by leaves and twigs by now, or

51:12

maybe it's still waiting to be found and someone else can correct

51:14

the case, so to speak. Blame it on leaves

51:16

and twigs. Uh, if you

51:18

were any listeners, want a chance of some by now

51:20

vintage Canadian whiskey though for the

51:22

very least, and Enriching walked through the Christine Northern

51:25

New York Wilderness. The clues as

51:27

originally printed in the cc AD

51:29

or as follows, and then he gave

51:32

them to me, so you can just look that up on the internet.

51:35

They're out there. It's

51:37

really love yourself. Well, I mean I can't

51:39

read them all. It's get

51:41

out your decoder pins. Happy hunting,

51:44

and do share one with me if you find

51:46

it. That is from Chris or Law. Thanks

51:48

or Laft. Will you appreciate that you have the

51:51

last name of a person who's only called

51:53

by their last name. And Mrs ort

51:55

Law for at the very least your mom.

51:57

I don't know if that's her name, Madame Madam

51:59

Mortlaw like that. It's a great

52:02

explorer and adventure that's

52:05

how she shelf forever be known in Yeah,

52:08

well thanks Laf and Madam ort Laff. If

52:11

you want to get in touch with us to tell us something

52:13

cool that your mom's done. We want to hear that kind

52:15

of thing just in time for Mother's Day too.

52:18

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