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Hello, everyone, Happy Saturday. Chuck

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here with another Saturday Selects pick this

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week, How the Deep Web Works January.

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This is a good one. Everyone's deep Web is deep

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and dark and scary, or at least it can be. And

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we dove into that it's changed a lot over

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the past six years. But this

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is a pretty good early peak at the deep web. And I was

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proud of this one. So give listen. I hope

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you enjoy it. Have a great weekend. Welcome

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to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My Heart

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Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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there's Charles Depy, Chuck Bryant, yea

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Audie uh and it

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makes the Stuff you should Know. That's right, mineus

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Jerry. But with no that's right, we

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lose a Jerry gain a Knoll. Yeah.

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One step forward and another step forward?

0:58

Oh for you

1:00

are you've just been wailing on it. I'm not gonna

1:02

say two steps back with Nol, sitt and five ft

1:04

away, but it could be one and one. One

1:07

step foward with Nol, one step back for not having

1:09

Jerry. You're saying it's a step

1:11

forward not having Jerry, and a step forward

1:14

having nol. I'm just trying to

1:16

make everyone like me doing

1:20

a poor job of it. You

1:23

do a great job of Everybody loves the chuck,

1:26

not everybody who doesn't. I have some

1:28

mortal enemies. Mortal enemies.

1:30

Yeah, they want to kill them trying to kill you. H

1:34

we'll chuck. Yes, I will tell you what if

1:38

they did want to kill you, they wanted

1:40

to hire a hit many. Yeah. The

1:42

deep web is a good place to start, looking quite

1:45

a segway. It's been a while. I t that one up.

1:48

You did unintentionally. Yeah,

1:50

I spotted it and went after it. Yeah. This is

1:52

about both the deep and dark web,

1:54

which are two different things. The dark

1:57

web is part of the deep web, thank you. But the

1:59

deep web is necessarily dark, all

2:01

dark. Yeah, that's

2:04

very well put. The dark web is the nefarious

2:06

things that go on in the deep web, not

2:08

necessarily nefarious, but the purposefully

2:11

hidden. Yeah, that's true, because there are some

2:13

good things in the dark web. I totally misspoke. Yeah,

2:16

well you know what. I think that it's great that you confess

2:18

to it. You feel better, I do.

2:21

Man. This is a really upfront kind

2:23

of episode, isn't it. It's a very honest

2:25

we're bearing it all. Uh

2:30

so, do you have a fancy intro story?

2:32

No? You think I would? Right, My intro

2:34

gets buried later on. It's

2:37

a great intro, but it just I'll

2:40

use it as the intro. Okay,

2:42

go ahead, okay, okay,

2:46

Chuck. Yes, have you heard of our

2:48

favorite band, Iron Maiden? Ah?

2:50

Yeah, sure so. Iron Maiden is

2:53

arguably the most awesome band

2:55

of all time. Oh

2:58

dude, all right, not a huge

3:00

fan, but you you wouldn't be like I hate

3:02

Iron Maiden. They suck, of course. Not no,

3:05

because it makes you crazy. It's right. Iron

3:07

Maid's been around for a while. They're pretty

3:09

smart. They know what they're doing. Um

3:11

and recently they figured

3:14

out a way to maximize

3:17

their touring dollars by

3:19

flying their own plane. They well, Bruce

3:21

Dickinson always did. Yeah he

3:23

was. He's a certified pilot. It's gotta be efficient.

3:26

I would imagine, plus fun unless

3:28

Bruce was partying too hard and then they got

3:30

to fly to the next city that night. He wouldn't

3:33

do that, I hope not, because that's

3:35

that's dangerous. I mean, driving

3:37

drunk is bad enough, but flying drunk I

3:39

can only imagine. Sure. Uh,

3:41

and it's probably not just drunk, you know

3:43

what I'm saying. No, no, no, he's he's straight

3:46

straight has he always been? I

3:48

don't know. I can't verify that well anyway,

3:51

Um, Bruce and the boys uh

3:53

figured out that a good

3:55

way to figure out where to tour,

3:57

where to decide to tour, um be

4:00

to figure out where their

4:02

music was getting pirated the most.

4:05

That sounds reasonable. It does sound

4:07

reasonable. It's it. It provides

4:10

you with evidence of an established

4:12

fan base and a

4:14

fan base that is unwilling to pay

4:17

for your record but

4:20

would probably pay to see you live. How

4:22

does that reason? Well,

4:25

they like your music, but they don't

4:27

want to pay for your CD, so

4:29

why would they go to see live and pay? Because it's

4:31

different, Like, seeing a live show is way

4:33

different than buying a CD. You can't you can't

4:35

get a live show. You could get a video of a live

4:37

show, it's still not the same experience. A live show is

4:39

a live show. Plus, everybody always

4:41

knows that anybody involved

4:44

in the or entrenched in the

4:46

old guard music industry does

4:48

any band doesn't make any money on

4:50

their records and make it on touring, So

4:53

going to see a band live also is

4:55

kind of a true act of fandom because

4:57

you're really you're you're contributing

5:00

directly to your band that you like. You know.

5:02

Um, So what they did was they hired a company to

5:05

look at bit torrent sites and

5:07

find the regions where their

5:10

music it was most pirate ID and they

5:12

created a tour map from it and went and played

5:14

those regions. Did you do you have the number

5:16

one Iron Maiden pirated region?

5:21

But we're gonna say Rio, all

5:23

right, they're huge in South America. That's

5:25

that's my guess. We'll look it up afterward,

5:28

I guess Rio. And so they were like, we're

5:30

gonna start our tor and Rio. Yeah. And it wasn't

5:32

just that that one place, but it was

5:34

basically a tour that was built

5:37

on the areas where the music was most pirated.

5:39

It was a Stroker genius, but they

5:41

couldn't have done it without harvesting

5:44

the deep web because bit

5:46

torrent sites. When you search bit torrent,

5:49

it doesn't the average search engine

5:52

doesn't respond with a list

5:54

of bit torrent activity. It'll

5:56

just send you to a bit torrent site, which

5:59

means that those pages is of bit touring activity,

6:01

which are web pages, and they do exist.

6:04

They're part of what's called the deep web. That's

6:06

right, the surface web as we know

6:09

it, and search engines that we all use

6:11

like Google and being supposedly

6:14

only have access to about point zero

6:16

three percent of what is truly on

6:19

the world wide Web. It's like

6:23

scary and weird and thrilling all at

6:25

the same time. Point three

6:28

And anything else that's

6:30

buried is the deep web. And it's

6:32

not necessarily the

6:36

deep web is not is not when you're purposely

6:38

trying to hide things. It just may not be cataloged

6:40

and index may

6:43

a password. Sure, maybe one

6:45

of those timed sites that uh

6:47

don't let you access date

6:50

after a certain amount of time, could be anything

6:52

with a captution involved, anything

6:54

that's not hyperlinked. Uh, there's

6:56

lots of reasons that something could find it is all buried

6:59

in the deep web. And and you

7:01

make a good point to separate

7:03

the deep web and the dark webs. Let me give you an example

7:05

of deep web aside from those bit

7:07

torrent sites. Um, there's this company

7:10

called bright Planet and they had this price they provide

7:12

deep web harvesting, and they had this primer on

7:15

you know, what is the deep web. One of the examples

7:17

they used was if you look up government

7:19

grants on a traditional search engine,

7:22

it will probably provide you with

7:24

www. Dot grants dot gov as

7:27

one of the first returns right straight up. Um,

7:30

when you go onto grants dot CoV, you can then

7:32

search and find pages of

7:35

all these different government grants. You can search by

7:37

keyword, you can browse, but those pages

7:39

aren't going to come up on your normal Google

7:41

search. You have to go to the site,

7:44

which means that those pages of the actual grants

7:46

are part of the deep web. Yeah,

7:48

your bank account, you're checking account

7:51

online, if you have mobile banking

7:53

or online banking, it has a web page

7:55

all to its own right now. And if

7:59

I searched Chuck Bryant's

8:01

checking account, it would not come back.

8:04

I would not get that because it's behind a password.

8:07

It's a it's a website page. It's

8:09

a web page, but it's password

8:12

encrypted. Therefore it's part of the deep

8:14

web. Twitter until it index

8:16

tweets used to be you

8:18

couldn't search tweets individual

8:20

tweets. Now you can, so that

8:23

made them formerly a part of the deep web.

8:25

Actual tweets or every

8:28

company on the planet has some sort

8:30

of internal employee pages

8:33

like internal dot discovery

8:35

that only we can access and

8:38

you can't Google search any of that stuff, right,

8:40

or somebody could conceivably access

8:42

it. Maybe it depends

8:44

on the page, but you have to know the exact

8:47

u r L. So the idea is,

8:49

if it's blind, if

8:51

if search engines are blind to it, it's

8:53

part of the deep web. If search engines

8:55

can index it and bring it

8:57

back as a return results search

9:00

results, Um, it's part of

9:02

the surface web. Yeah, because that's all the search

9:04

engine is doing. They are We

9:07

might should do a full podcast on search engines at

9:09

some point, but the general thing is

9:11

that there is an index of data, and

9:14

they use spiders or crawlers

9:16

because it is a web, to crawl

9:19

around and locate domain names and hyperlinks

9:22

and basically index all

9:24

that in what they think will be most

9:26

helpful to what you're looking for. Right,

9:29

So chuck Brian's bank account. Yeah, there

9:31

are some web pages out there that contain

9:33

information related to that keyword

9:36

search. Yes, so a search

9:38

engine will keep an index with

9:40

that keyword search with the u

9:42

r L s, the locations, the page

9:45

content, some of the page content, the meta

9:47

tags are the metadata,

9:49

and other very brief

9:52

sketch information about those pages

9:55

associated with the keyword for an index,

9:57

which means that when you type in Chuck

9:59

Brian, it's bank account. You got a quit saying

10:01

that. Sorry, I thought about it as

10:03

I was saying it that last time. But when you type

10:06

in um Birds of Paradise

10:09

bank account, bank account, um,

10:12

it will the search engine goes and

10:14

accesses the index. It

10:16

doesn't have to go all the way across every page

10:18

on the web that it can find. It just goes

10:21

to its indices, and that's

10:23

how search results are returned so quickly.

10:25

It's not going across the internet. It's already

10:27

got the spider crawlers, the

10:29

bots doing that constantly.

10:32

The search engine is just going to the index

10:34

is that the bots have created from their searches.

10:37

Yeah, and it is super shallow. I mean, we said

10:39

point zero three percent. We do. We do

10:41

our whole job as researching online

10:44

mainly, and we run into this all

10:46

the time where you feel

10:48

like you're getting a very slim portion of

10:50

what you're trying to find out because

10:52

so many of the best uh, medical

10:55

journals and things like this don't

10:58

just pop up as you know, it's

11:00

more likely to be some headline

11:02

from CNN dot com and not like

11:04

a Harvard Medical Journal paper that could

11:06

really help you out. Yeah, And I mean, like you can

11:08

get deeper and deeper with

11:11

your keyword skills and your search

11:13

skills, but for

11:16

the most part that Yeah, the first returns of

11:18

first results, depending on what you search for,

11:20

are going to be, like you said, superficial.

11:23

Yeah. But even if you're super a super

11:25

sleuth, a Google master

11:27

like we all think we are, I mean, how can

11:29

how much can that be bumping it up point one?

11:32

Yeah, Well, a lot of the problem, to the chuck

11:34

is the so much of science

11:36

is behind a paywall. Yeah, yeah, really

11:39

really really expensive paywalls. To um,

11:42

which is like, here's the first eight lines of this awesome

11:44

medical research paper exactly if you want it,

11:47

give us. Yeah,

11:49

which is a problem in and of itself, not necessarily

11:51

related to this, but with current

11:54

search engine technology, you have, like

11:56

you said, a superficial result

11:59

from a core um

12:01

on the other end of the spectrum, And this is kind

12:03

of what search instances are dealing with now, Um,

12:06

the deeper you go into the deep web. Again,

12:09

the surface web is point zero three

12:11

percent of all of the web pages on the entire

12:13

Internet, So the further you go into

12:15

it, the more data you have, and

12:18

you eventually can run into the problem of what's

12:20

called big data, which not

12:22

capitalized B or D, which refers

12:24

to like companies like Google and and that

12:27

that can dig

12:29

and harvest and maintain a

12:31

large amount of data. It's just it's basically

12:33

data that's so much and so unwieldy

12:37

you can't even uh process

12:39

and search it. It's like not even helpful. It's

12:41

yeah, it's like a really bad Internet search.

12:44

Yeah. Um, so the the

12:46

the current state of

12:48

search engine design

12:51

or creation is balancing

12:53

that figuring out how to get less

12:56

superficial without running

12:58

into the big data problem of of

13:00

incoherent data due

13:02

to just massive amounts of returns.

13:05

And you might think that these search

13:07

engines do a great job because I can always find

13:09

out what I need, But you don't know what you're missing,

13:12

you know, right, So it's

13:14

it's sort of not even

13:16

correct to say that I always find out what I need

13:18

because you may even know you need it because

13:20

it's hidden. That's true, And I mean you're you're

13:22

missing quite a bit. Okay.

13:46

There's apparently fifty million

13:49

registered domains on

13:51

the Internet. Yeah, and that's I looked

13:53

at like just in two thousand twelve. I think

13:55

there're only like two hundred and fifty or something.

13:57

I mean, it seems like it's doubled in the last couple

14:00

years. Right, So there's five million domains,

14:02

for example, a lot of more garbage, yes, but

14:05

how stuff Works dot Com is one domain,

14:08

And I asked Tracy Wilson, who's the site

14:10

director and runs stuff you missed

14:12

in history class. It's one of the co hosts.

14:15

How many pages there are how stuff Works?

14:18

She said roughly at least,

14:21

so one domain out of five fifty million

14:23

has fifty pages itself.

14:26

Right, so you kind of get an idea of the scope.

14:29

Deep web is anywhere from

14:31

four hundred to five hundred times

14:33

bigger than the surface web. And

14:36

like you said, you don't know what you're missing

14:38

because you don't know what's out there because your search

14:40

returns aren't bringing you back

14:42

anything. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of important stuff

14:45

out there. We talked about medical papers. Um, apparently

14:47

there's engineering databases, financial

14:50

financial information, a lot of things

14:52

that could really help research.

14:55

Uh, but you just can't find it, right. Um.

14:58

Unpublished blog posts or just

15:00

basically anything that a person creates on

15:03

the Internet. Yeah, Um,

15:06

is if a page is created, it's

15:09

part of the deep web. Yeah,

15:11

unless you take this stuff down, it's living there forever, just

15:13

gathering dust exactly. So. Um,

15:16

and it's not just necessarily engineering

15:18

databases or medical information.

15:21

Um. There's also a lot of shady

15:23

stuff too. The dark web. That's

15:26

the that's the dark web. Yeah, that is the dark

15:28

web. Is when is um the sites

15:31

intentionally uh

15:33

reroute you. Well, we'll get to how

15:35

they do it, but basically it's a it's

15:37

an intentional anonymity.

15:40

Um, it's not. Oh, it just happens to be buried

15:42

on the deep web because it's not index it's it is purposely

15:44

hidden from the surface

15:46

web, so people can't track

15:49

the person searching for something

15:52

or the the end uh

15:55

website. I guess like

15:57

those are all just private essentially,

15:59

right, and privacy advocates are way

16:01

into it. You're not necessarily a

16:03

child pornographer, although there

16:05

is a lot of that kind of stuff on the dark web.

16:08

Um, there's also a lot of good that happens on the

16:10

dark web. Yeah. The the anonymity

16:13

and privacy and the desire for it isn't

16:15

in and of itself proof of wrongdoing, of course,

16:17

not no, which is frequently it's frequently

16:20

pointed out as that but incorrectly. Yeah,

16:22

I like, I don't want the n s A. And my business people like,

16:24

well, what are you doing right? Exactly nothing.

16:26

Yeah, I just don't want them in my business precisely.

16:29

Yeah. Um, that's an answer. That's

16:31

good enough. That answer is good enough. And

16:34

for a lot of people, um, they say,

16:36

well, then I need to go to the dark web to maintain

16:38

anonymity, um or higher

16:41

hit man right to kill Chuck

16:43

Bryant. That you could do. That's crazy,

16:46

Um, you could do. There

16:48

was a site for a while. Um, I don't know if

16:50

you've heard of it or not. It's called the Silk Road, Yeah,

16:53

which got shut down, and I teach

16:55

Chuck, I know you've heard of it. It's like the most famous

16:58

dark website of all time. The

17:00

the Feds busted um ross

17:02

Albrick, who may or may not be dread

17:04

Pirate Roberts, which was the online

17:07

name that they said he's the guy running this,

17:09

and he is now saying, actually that's not

17:12

me. Um, but all those bitcoins

17:14

are mine, so you can't

17:16

seize those bitcoins. And there

17:18

it's in courts now they're trying to determine whether

17:21

or not it's it counts as something

17:23

that you can seize as an asset

17:26

from a criminal. And they're saying that this is literally

17:28

a case that no court has ever heard before.

17:31

Yeah, they they it's never been

17:34

questioned whether you could seize cryptocurrency.

17:37

Yeah, and you should listen to our podcast on bitcoins

17:39

by the way, from not too many months ago.

17:42

But it's essentially just yeah, encrypted digital

17:45

currency. And they have a really really fascinating,

17:48

circumstantial case against a

17:50

brick Um, not just for operating

17:53

the Silk Road site.

17:55

Yeah. Um, that's where you could buy drugs

17:57

and things, by the way, right, which being the operator

17:59

of that in and of itself shouldn't be a crime. I'm

18:01

sure that they would have prosecuted him for that

18:04

if they'd been able to get their hands on him for

18:06

just that. But apparently they

18:08

also have him for at least two

18:11

hired contract killings. One

18:14

he he um,

18:16

I guess hired an undercover

18:19

cop to do it, and the guy

18:21

went to the person who he was taking

18:24

the hit out on and said, this guy's

18:26

trying to kill you. I need you to cooperate, and

18:29

I'm going to take pictures of you dead and

18:31

send them to this guy, and Old Brick apparently

18:34

gave him like forty grand up front, another forty

18:37

after he saw the photos. So like in

18:39

bitcoins, No, I think in

18:41

cash, although no, it would have been in bitcoins.

18:44

You're right, yeah, yeah, so who knows?

18:46

It could have been two bitcoins at the time or five

18:48

thousand. Well, silk Row two point oh

18:51

launched in November? Is it out? Now? It's

18:53

out? And um there are other copycatters,

18:56

like the black Market reloaded and

18:59

which that one down for a little while after silk Road

19:01

went down, but then it went back up. I think, yeah,

19:03

Like, I don't know, man, I hate to say you shouldn't

19:05

try and fight crime, but you're

19:08

not going to stop the stuff when one, you

19:10

know, you cut off the head of one and another grows right

19:12

out of it in its place. You know, it's

19:15

true if the structure

19:18

that's allowing for the anonymity can remain

19:21

intact, which is the dark web,

19:24

right, But it's not just the dark

19:26

web, it's like how you traverse the dark

19:28

web, like using tour Yeah, I guess we

19:30

haven't explained. Um, the Onion Router

19:32

t o R is what it's called and it is

19:35

software that you use to access the

19:37

deep web and the dark web if

19:39

you choose to UM and it

19:42

searches for these anonymous

19:44

sites for you, like a search engine, but instead

19:46

of dot com or dot org or

19:48

dot net, they end in dot onion the

19:51

idea and onion has many layers and

19:54

UM that's

19:56

that's how you access it through tour. You have to buy it and install

19:58

it on your computer. It makes it for free.

20:02

Yeah, Firefox had UM something

20:04

that it was basically a tour bundle.

20:06

It was the most popular one and you could download

20:08

it for free. But it's not

20:10

a web browser itself. It's like an add on to

20:12

a web browser that allows anonymity.

20:15

And it does two things. One, it

20:17

bounces your trail all over the world

20:20

from server to server, so it makes you and

20:22

your activity extraordinarily difficult

20:24

to track. It's not just like this computer went

20:26

to this site, right, It's like that's

20:29

that whole Onion thing. There's so many layers. It's

20:31

like we can't we don't know who this is or where they're,

20:33

where they are, what they're doing, or anything like that.

20:35

We just know right now that this particular

20:38

person happens to be it. There's a user on

20:40

silk Road, but we don't know who it is or

20:42

anything. You can't track them because they're using

20:44

Tour. The other thing is you can't get

20:46

into dot onion domain sites,

20:49

dark websites unless you're using

20:51

tour, Like they won't let you in unless you're

20:53

an anonymous user. Um So,

20:55

tour has this kind of twofold thing,

20:58

but there was recently a breach in it and it turned

21:00

out the FBI was using malware

21:03

to break through the anonymity of tour users.

21:06

And yeah, and found out a lot of people on

21:08

some sites that are that were hosted by

21:10

something called Freedom Hosting, which

21:12

apparently had a horrible reputation

21:15

for being the repository on

21:17

the web, on the dark web for child pornography

21:20

and knowingly like basically just not doing anything

21:23

about it. Um So,

21:25

the FBI had a They

21:29

hacked the Freedom Hosting

21:31

servers and inserted this

21:33

malware. So if you went to a Freedom

21:35

Hosting site, any of them, not just necessarily

21:38

a child pornography but any site hosted by Freedom

21:40

Hosting, which is like say go Daddy for

21:42

the dark web, um

21:45

you would get this malware package

21:48

that exploited a key hole

21:50

in Firefox's tore bundle.

21:53

It went into your computer, said hey, give

21:55

me your mac address, which

21:57

is basically like your computer hardware,

22:00

like serial numbers your

22:03

computers and your computers alans

22:05

tracking number, and then also

22:07

tell me where the computer is, and

22:09

it sent it back to a server, a mystery

22:12

server in McLean, Virginia. And

22:14

finally, after like a month, FBI was like, yeah,

22:16

that was us. We got We have everybody who went on

22:18

that site's name and address

22:21

and everything on them. So that's been a huge

22:23

ripple and Firefox fixed this loophole.

22:26

But it's a huge ripple through you know, the

22:28

dark web, deep web community

22:31

saying like whoa, whoa. We were anonymous

22:33

before, but you know now it's

22:36

it's been shown definitively that the

22:38

FEDS can find out

22:40

who we are. So the anonymity is

22:42

reduced, if not taken away, which

22:45

defeats the whole purpose. Yeah, so if you don't

22:47

have that, then you can keep lopping the heads

22:49

off of these things, and they're not going to grow back because people

22:51

are afraid. People will be afraid because

22:54

they won't feel like they're anonymous any longer. Well

22:57

tour has a sort of an

22:59

ironic background, which we will get

23:01

to right after this message break. All

23:19

right, so we're back and we left you with

23:21

the the nugget that tour has an interesting

23:23

background, and the background

23:25

of tours Actually, the US Naval

23:27

Research Laboratory in two thousand three launched

23:30

this program for political

23:32

dissidents and whistleblowers so they

23:34

can get their message out without fear

23:36

of reprisal. Right, and this is still

23:38

a use of tour Like the New York Times,

23:40

Wiki Leaks, some other news agencies

23:43

have um tour

23:45

sites that if you want to

23:47

go and contact the New York Times or

23:49

Wiki Leaks anonymously, like

23:52

you can go to their tour their onion

23:54

site and UM upload

23:56

documents or say hey, I have

23:58

some information I want to share, right, and you

24:00

can do it anonymously. So the government,

24:02

though, is basically law enforcements trying to track

24:04

down criminals using the

24:07

software that the government created to begin with.

24:09

So it's an interesting loop. Um.

24:12

But like we said, it's not all badness.

24:15

Um. If you live

24:17

in a country where bad things are

24:19

going on and you don't feel safe getting on

24:22

the regular web as a political dissident,

24:24

you can do so on the dark web. It offers

24:27

a virtual meeting place for

24:30

sometimes people are trying to, you know, combat

24:33

these oppressive regimes in their

24:35

countries, and they can't just hop

24:37

on Facebook and organize a meeting

24:40

because they'll get smacked down. Right, if

24:42

you're a person who values privacy

24:44

for whatever reason or no reason at all. UM,

24:48

the deep web and the dark web offer

24:50

file sharing services. Email

24:54

is a big one too, Like, I know, I

24:56

can't remember the name of the one Edwards Snowden has

24:58

been using, but I think it got shut down, like

25:00

just the whole company shutdown. Sorry, you're out

25:02

of business now because you're helping Edward Snowden.

25:05

UM. But there are other email

25:07

UM email services

25:11

basically everything you have on the web. If

25:14

you want to do it anonymously, you have to

25:16

go to a company that operates on the dark

25:18

web, right, that uses tour to

25:20

to route its information or your information.

25:23

Yeah. The University of Luxembourg

25:27

did a study where they tried to rank the most commonly

25:29

accessed stuff on the dark

25:31

Web, and sadly

25:33

what they did find a lot of things like child pornography.

25:36

There were also a lot of uh

25:39

sites and chat rooms for human rights

25:41

and freedom of information and

25:43

just people that don't want to

25:46

type in a search for, uh,

25:50

how to grow marijuana? And then the next

25:52

time they go to their Gmail account, they're

25:54

a bunch of ads for grow lights and

25:57

you're going, huh, how that happened? Well

26:00

to happen because you're searching

26:02

the surface web with an IP that

26:04

can be traced back to you, and not

26:06

even even illegal activities like that. You

26:08

know, you want to research a fitbit

26:11

bracelet and then you

26:13

go and they say, hey, Chuck,

26:15

are you fat? You want to lose weight? WHI

26:18

else? You want to fitbit? Alrightaddy,

26:21

why would you want to fit? And yeah, you're definitely

26:23

creepy. You know, there's the big brother effect.

26:26

I think everyone feels it. Uh.

26:28

There's all there, the existence of the deep web,

26:30

not necessarily the dark web, but just the deep web,

26:33

all of those pages of information

26:35

that are out there. Some companies have figured out

26:37

how to exploit it, or the fact

26:39

that search engines, normal

26:42

search engines, aren't doing a good job of

26:44

looking into the deep web. There that company, bright

26:46

Planet I mentioned they have a

26:48

deep Web Harvester, which

26:50

is basically a proprietary search

26:52

engine algorithm that goes into

26:55

websites and gets

26:57

everything like, it's not that doesn't them

27:00

an index. It grabs every bit of text

27:02

off of every site associated with

27:05

a u r L. That sounds like big data. It

27:08

is, but they're doing it for companies

27:10

like big pharma, big

27:12

government and saying like,

27:15

oh, you want to know what your competitors up to, Well,

27:17

here's every letter of

27:19

every word of every strip of text

27:22

on your competitor's website, including all internal

27:25

stuff everything. Please

27:28

give us ten million dollars for that search. Um.

27:31

There's also this site called Vocative which

27:34

uses something like bright Planets deep

27:36

web harvesting, but it does it for journalism

27:39

purposes, and it's basically, rather

27:41

than searching using Google you

27:43

or I would for a story idea, they're

27:45

um searching using a deep web

27:48

harvester to find all this other information

27:50

that we wouldn't be able to find because we don't

27:52

know how to search the deep web and writing

27:54

stories like that. And there's some pretty interesting stuff

27:56

that that sites put together already. Well,

27:59

when you think about if you're only getting if you think the

28:01

Internet is cool and you're only getting

28:03

point three of it, yeah, yeah,

28:06

not bad. And you know this is the webs the

28:08

surface web is getting deeper. The deep

28:10

web is getting deeper. Search engines

28:12

are searching deeper. It's it's all like and

28:15

they're trying to anonymize more

28:19

effectively. So it's it's like this cyber

28:21

war is going on. Oh, yes, you know,

28:24

that was another good one we did. What

28:26

do we do cyber war one? On cyber war you? Yeah,

28:28

I knew I've heard that before, so

28:31

there you go. I would have to say that this is one

28:33

of those episodes

28:35

where we did it, but

28:37

it is not done. No, no, Sometimes

28:40

we do them and it's like, that's it. There's nothing

28:42

more to say about this topic. Yeah, I'm interested

28:44

to see what happens with uh with old

28:46

Brick for sure. That's that's gonna be a

28:49

monument landmark case. You know. Uh.

28:51

If you want to know more about the deep web, you

28:53

can type deep web into

28:55

the search engine and how stuff works. It'll

28:58

bring back superficial results only how

29:00

stuff works stuff. But it's

29:02

pretty good, so you'll be happy. And

29:05

since I said search bar, that means it's

29:07

time for listener maw All

29:10

right, Josh, I'm gonna call this uh birthday

29:12

shout out that we rarely do. Okay,

29:15

hey, guys, I'm a longtime listener, shamelessly

29:17

writing to ask for a huge favor. Here's

29:19

the sitch. I first became aware of your

29:21

podcast with my last girlfriend, Natalie.

29:24

David introduced me to it when

29:26

we started dating, and i've heard it. Thank for getting me hooked,

29:29

as we spent a lot of time listening to your show and learning

29:31

together. As huge supporters of your podcast,

29:33

we were compelled last year to make the trip up from

29:35

Virginia to New York when you were putting on your

29:37

trivia night. And Natalie is the

29:39

one who gave us the mics on pants

29:41

off T shirts and David

29:44

her boyfriend. They were super cool, super nice.

29:46

They sat at the table right near us, so

29:49

I, uh, you know, got to know him a little bit. And

29:52

um, he says. Anyhow,

29:54

here's where the favor comes in. She moved to Shanghai,

29:57

China to teach and she's

29:59

teaching little kids English, and

30:01

sadly they you know, separated when

30:03

she moved over there, which

30:06

to me are always like the saddest breakups,

30:10

right like, there's nothing wrong to

30:12

China. So they just thought it was probably

30:15

the thing to do, but they, um, because

30:17

I inquired back to David emailed him about this, and it's

30:19

like, oh no, you guys broke up and said, yeah,

30:21

but we still really support each other and care about each other,

30:23

and hopefully our pass across again one day.

30:26

So anyway, Natalie David is in China,

30:28

and because of this distance, I was at a loss when

30:30

considering what to get her. He made a

30:32

donation to Cooperative for Education

30:35

in her name. And I know you guys like to read

30:37

those names of people who contribute, but in this case,

30:39

I was hoping you would just do a little something more special

30:42

by wishing her happy birthday. So on

30:44

January, which I think should be very

30:46

soon, Natalie, Happy birthday. Yeah,

30:48

happy birthday. We remember you. I wear that shirt all

30:50

the time. My wife thinks it's funny. And

30:53

uh, I hope you're doing well in China,

30:56

and don't give up on David just

30:59

because here in the stupid United States.

31:02

Her new Chinese boyfriends like what that guy?

31:05

She's like nothing, but wait, rewind

31:07

that. So um, anyway, I hope you're doing well over

31:09

there in China, and thanks again for all the support, and

31:12

I hope you guys, I hope your paths across again

31:14

one day. That it was very nice that is from David Austin

31:16

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