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Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production
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of I Heart Radio. Hey,
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and welcome to the podcast. I'm
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Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck
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Bryant and Jerry's even here. Believe
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it or not, We're thrilled for that.
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And uh, this is stuff you should
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know. Okay, stop asking,
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that's right. Uh. I want
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to say this is part two of
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the rudimentary games
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that there is seemingly more too than
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you would think. Hm, starting
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with rochambo or almost
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a tick tech toe again, what's my deal with that? I
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don't know rock paper scissors, but
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I must admit there is more to Rock paper
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Scissors than Tug of War. I am
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very glad that I didn't have to get
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that out of you. Yeah, I thought there would.
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I thought there was more to it than this strategy wise,
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and I think I was suckered at by Squid
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Game, which we'll talk
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about a little bit later, uh,
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into thinking that there could be some
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more depths to this. There's
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not a whole lot. No. Apparently Squid
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Games like really took something and and made
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something huge out of it, because I
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mean it was even an Olympic support for a little
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while in the Olympics were like, let's
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not do that anymore. Yeah, although
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I have to say growing up in this eighties
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and uh, there was it was
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a lot more in the forefront because like
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Battle of the Network Stars did it on
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TV. H do you remember
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the Superstars? No,
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it was a sports competition
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show on Sunday afternoons and
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it took, you know, prominent athletes
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from all sports and pitted
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them against one another all
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season long to to determine a champion.
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And there was this great obstacle
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course it was. It was one of the most sort of eighties
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you know, aside from uh American
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American Gladiators kind of things that you could
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watch and uh
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there was a tug of war, usually
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between two teams comprised of like prominent
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football players versus prominent baseball players,
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and that was always a big deal. In
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fact, I just watched a a
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recap of the one hour in fifteen minute
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epic battle from
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between members of the Kansas City Royals
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and uh, I don't know who the other side was. I think it was
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a football team. Was George Brett on that
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team? Yet? You bet your buddy
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was Was that his rookie year? No?
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Huh, But it was right,
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no, no no, no Prebo Jackson yet, but
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that was pretty epic. And on that one they
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were I mean they were laying down
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in the sand and resting, some guys
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taking their hands off at times. It
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was you know, all the rules, you know. They tied the
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rope around their waist, as did Louferrigno
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in Battle of the Network Stars was the anchor
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all kinds of things that you don't do, which we'll talk about
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in true competition Tug of War,
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but it was just sort of I feel
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like we saw Tug of War a lot more in the eighties than
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we do now. Yeah. That
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and running under a giant parachute
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that your classmates were billowing up for
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you. It's a second reference.
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I've heard of that in a week. Oh really, yeah,
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I never did that, but oh chuck,
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we're going to we're gonna get
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some stuff. You should know. Listeners together and
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do that because you have to experience it at least
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once. You're like, it is thrilling, I need
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to. It was on the Threedom podcast, So Paula
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Tompkins and Ackerman and Lauren Lapkins we're
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talking about that. It's a lot of fun. We're gonna
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I'm gonna like that is going to happen before
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you die, all right, and I
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gets run under you run under before it
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catches you. That's the key. So there's
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like a certain amount of tention to it. What if he
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catches you, like touches you, Yes, that
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silky goodness. Don't you want that touch on you know?
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Or else you you dissolve? Okay?
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Uh But anyway, I just you know, in the field
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day in the eighties, like there was tug of war all over
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the place, but you don't see it much anymore until
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squid Game came around, and I think that did sort
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of reignite some interest, including
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myself totally. And it's from
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what from this research that we've done on this
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um your experience and my experience
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too at that age where you know, tug
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of war is like a
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big part of your life. That's the most
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you can possibly experience or get out of it.
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You got everything there was to get out of it
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pretty much except for knowing that it was an
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Olympic sport for twenty years, that's right.
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And squid Games the TV show, by the way, and then we
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often just talk about things, is that people know what
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they are well. I mean, who
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hasn't heard of Squid Games? Did
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you watch it? Yeah? Of course
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yes, me and everybody else on the planet.
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That's why you just mistitled it. I just was curious
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what I call it squid Games? Is
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it suid squid Game? Yeah? Okay,
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yeah, I really, I really fumble down. Well,
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it's better than Squid's game because that's all the pressure
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that sounds like how Hodgeman would pronounce it. So
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yeah, if you haven't seen Squid Game, um,
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like, go check it out. It's amazing and
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it's on Netflix and actually it alone
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is worth getting a month's subscription to Netflix
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if you don't have it. Yeah, but we'll talk
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about the strategy they use, which made for great
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television, but apparently it's not a
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thing, disappointingly. Yeah, but if you haven't
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seen some good games, don't listen to that part.
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Just put your fingers in your ears and shout
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Mimi Me at the top of your lungs and very
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high pitched voice until we're done.
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So we're talking about Tug of War, believe it or
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not, and um, I
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think chuck just in the spirit of people who
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say stop saying if you if unless
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you've been living under a rock. You haven't heard of something
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we should explain with Tug of war is okay,
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Yeah, let's do it. Okay. So,
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in the modern sense of the word, tug
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of war is a game that's
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played between It can be as
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as few as two people. It
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can be as many as your imagination
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can fit onto a rope.
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And um, the people
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are on two sides. Uh,
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they're opposing sides, and they're pulling in opposite
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directions on that rope. And the point of
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the game is to pull your opponent
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pass some line to where
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you've just won, or pull them,
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knock them down, pull it until they let go of
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the rope, or There's
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a few different ways to win, but generally
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you're pulling your opponent past some
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line and then you've won and
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you can run around shouting yes and
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thrusting your fist in the air. That's right.
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I think the most fun versions, especially
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on television, are when there's a mud pit in
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the middle. Sure. Uh.
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In the case of squid game, it is a battle
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to the death, that's all we'll say.
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Uh. In elementary school, it's
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usually on the gymnasium floor with some
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tape or like a ribbon
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hanging down from the rope, or
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maybe if um the phizz
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ed teacher hadn't pre planned, it's
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just their whistle and their lanyard
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forming a line on the floor. Uh.
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In the case of Revenge of the Nerds, the nerds
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have no chance. I guess I should
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say spoiler alert. Oh, I remember
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what happens there. They let go. They
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did. They won by losing,
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that's right, They let go and the jocks
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fell into the dusty dirt, and the
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nerds just said, congratulations,
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you won, and boy
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Ogre was so mad. Ogre was so
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mad. So.
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Um, that's it. That's tug
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of war. And you've probably played it before, and it is
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true, like I'm just giving you some grief that like
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there's nothing more to it, there is a
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surprising amount more to it, because it is
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a ridiculously simple game. Um,
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but it's so simple. Chuck that Ed who
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helped us out with this, makes a really good point that
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basically, if you threw a dart at any part
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of the globe, you would probably
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find some his Doric tradition
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of some form of tug of war. It's
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been it spans millennia,
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it um, it crosses geographic
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and cultural boundaries. It's just
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been invented multiple times in multiple
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places because it's just such a simple concept,
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and yet at the same time it still gives
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you that thrill that any game or
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struggle should give you when you win. Do
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you want to hit some history? Do you want to save that? I
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think we should hit some history. It just makes sense to
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put it at the beginning if you ask me, Yeah,
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so, yeah, you're right. I mean we're talking, Uh,
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Vikings did it, the
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Nordic sports did
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it across streams. Uh.
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There have been various versions of like
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man versus beast at times, or a
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machine versus machine. The
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British Navy INTI they
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used a tug of war to settle a debate
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on whether a propeller driven ship
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was better than the old paddle wheel. Of
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course, the propeller one.
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Yeah, so it's it's been a way to settle
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disputes at times. Yeah,
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and I think it's still is. It's not quite as
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good at settling a spew to say, rock paper
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scissors. It takes longer, and there's there's
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you know, potential injuries
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we'll see, but yes, you can settle this potential
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amputation which scissors. Will never do
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in rock paper scissors. Now, try as hard
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as you can, you just can't do it. Uh,
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what about this the rasa
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Kashi? Yeah, so apparently
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India has a long tradition of
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um tug of war like games, and
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I guess their their version of tug of war is
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called rassakashi. And you can still tune
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into game shows today where
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like that's part of the game show is like a tug
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of war and there's
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not you know, normally when you watch a game show,
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there's like a there's just a
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certain amount of peppiness and like lightness
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to the whole thing. Now, the one
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I saw this rasakashi um
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competition, it looks it looked
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like a game show was indoors in a stage and like
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the whole was wearing a suit or whatever. But they
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were dead serious about this, like they took
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it really seriously. UM.
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And that's apparently out of the Punjab region
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of of India. There's
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UH in an entirely different part of India
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called Konark there's a Sun temple
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there that was built in the century
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and there's a depiction of tug of war on
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the wall there. So it's been around in
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India for quite some time, hundreds and hundreds
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of years at least. Yeah, And of course
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when Europeans came to
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the America's and this is
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sort of unclear whether or not they brought it with them
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or whether or not it uh
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existed previously to indigenous people
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of the America's, which is very possible
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because they had all kinds of kind of folky sports
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that they played in tug of war.
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You know, I think what piqued my interest from the beginning was
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the rudimentary nature of it, which
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is, like you said, sometimes just one
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person on one side and one person another
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and can you pull them? Can you out
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either maybe out with them or usually
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just out muscle them to do
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so. So perhaps Native American
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tribes did this to begin with, but
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at any rate, they uh,
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you know, the colonizers would would
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play these games sometimes including tug of
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war, and Ed points out sometimes it was
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a friendlier way to say I can
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dominate you rather than just
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killing someone, right right, yes,
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um, And and and again that's a way to settle
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disputes or tension as well. It can
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be if we'll take these
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five thousand acres because
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we want a tug of war as we pulled you over the
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arbitrary line. Right. Um,
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there's there's tug of war in China.
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Um, there's tug of war. There's a
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long standing tug of war from that started
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in the fourteenth century in Korea called
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the Jewel
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Darigi Festival. I think he
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nailed it. They they have it
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uh every year, and
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it's substantially different from most
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other tug of war that you've ever seen,
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sorry tugs of war that
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you've seen, and that the rope
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is enormous. Um.
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Typically it's about two hundred meters long, the
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six hundred feet for you American school
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kids a meter thick, weighing
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forty tons, And
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you're like, well, how do you even get your arms around a
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three ft circumference rope? Well you don't.
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It has actual ropes, smaller ropes
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that you can handle coming off of it,
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and hundreds of people will participate
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in this and the whole town turns
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out for it, and it's amazing
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to see UH. And I was like, that certainly
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rings a bell because Humi has told me many, many
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times that one of her fondest childhood
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memories is the tug of war festival
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in Naha and Okinawa, where she was
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born and raised. UM, and they've
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been doing that since the seventeenth century, and it's
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it bears such a striking resemblance to the one
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from Korea that obviously the Koreans influenced
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them. But it's the east of the town
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in the west of the town, and they've
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their rope is even bigger and even
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more people come. Apparently they
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set the world record. There were two hundred
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and seventy thousand people in attendance and
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fifteen thousand people participating
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on the east and the west side. Uh.
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And I can't remember which one that year.
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It was quite a party to see that video.
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And I imagine the Japanese
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festival is much like the one in Korea, where the
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tug of war itself is really
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not the fun. The fun is getting together building
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this rope together. I imagine
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there's a little bit of drinking that goes on. Yeah, it
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had and uh, everyone just has
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a good time. It's sort of been the spirit of uh,
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of friendship rather than let me try
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and dominate you, right exactly,
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because I mean they're all from the same time. It's just the east side
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of the town. On the west side of the town, but the so
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I asked you me about that because I hadn't heard about
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the rope being constructed. Apparently at the Korean festival
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they make the rope every year, and
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I was like, did did they construct the
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rope every year? And she's like, well, I don't think
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so. And I said, well, where did they
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store this forty three ton si
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ft long rope? And she's like a hanger, know,
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So I need to get to the bottom of that of whether
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they made the rope themselves. But she
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was a kid. They would go every year and she just
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it was like the biggest deal every year in in Okinawa.
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So she was the anchor, she
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was, she was cheering them on. I think
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she did participate at least one year. Yeah,
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that's cute. You just grab a rope, you know, and pull.
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Yeah, exactly. I think it's
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Some people say that it was one of
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the original ancient Olympic sports,
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but there's not a ton to back this up
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is being true. It may have been, um
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but as Ed points out, it you
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know, it didn't. It didn't get a lot of press even if it
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was, so it was never that highly
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regarded. Uh and when it
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was an official Olympic sport in the modern
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Olympics, it was still
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in the early nineteen hundreds, was still not super
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highly regarded in that you
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didn't field, um like
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an American, an official American team.
15:06
There were clubs, teamed club teams that would show
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up and could uh participate like multiple
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from one country, and then
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sometimes they would just feel the team
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from people in other sports. But
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if you were like a shot putter, I would
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say, now go do the shot put Like, I
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know, you're on the anchor for the team, but the
15:25
schedules conflict and you should do the shot. But because
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that's a real event, yeah, for sure, which
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is sad. It is sort of sad,
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especially if you were like the one guy on the tug
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aboard team who like really took it seriously
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and all of a sudden your team dissolved because the
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shot put her to go shot putt and so on.
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That's right. Um, you want to take a break
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and then come back and talk a little more about
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the Olympic history of it. Yeah, let's do
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it. Okay,
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okay, Chuck, so um, there's a
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lot of legend and laura around
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this very short um
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period of Olympic history. Um,
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that tug of war appeared in and a lot
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of it's wrong, Like you were saying that it was an
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original, ancient Games event and there's no
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real evidence of that. There's also
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um a widely held
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fact that a guy named
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Constantine Enriquez de
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Zubi Eira was the
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first black Olympic athlete and that he
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won a silver and Tug of War and gold
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and rugby in the nineteen Olympics.
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And apparently that's partly
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true but not right.
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I think it was a case of mistaken identity usually,
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which just one of those Internet things where it keeps
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getting repeated anyway, But
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there was a Lumbian name
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Francisco Enriquez the
17:04
Siberia that did win a silver
17:06
medal for Tug of War, but a
17:08
Haitian Constantine Enriquez
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one rugby. Okay,
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So, so Constantine Enriquez
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was the first black Olympic athlete. He just
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had nothing to do with Tug of War. I think
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that's the case. But I mean that's
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the kind of depth that we have
17:24
to get to to make Tug of War interesting. Cases
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of mistaken identity. I wasn't
17:31
even going to mention it actually, but sure, okay,
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um so okay, So there was
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a twenty year period from nine ninety
17:38
Olympics you could find
17:40
tug of war unless your team had gotten dissolved,
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and apparently that happened frequently enough
17:45
that I believe in the nineteen
17:48
oh what Olympics was it to where
17:50
so many teams got dissolved that they only
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gave out a golden a sil silver medal
17:55
that year, which means
17:57
how many teams were there too.
18:03
All the other teams got dissolved and there
18:05
were two teams left, so you had a chance,
18:07
I guess, of either coming in silver or
18:09
gold and a hundred percent chance of medaling that
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year. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Uh. In
18:14
nine eight the there
18:16
was a police team, the Liverpool Police
18:19
at the Olympics. Again you could field club
18:21
teams and that's what they did in England. They
18:24
had these big boots because, as we'll see later,
18:26
one of the biggest keys is the
18:29
physics of feet on the floor and
18:32
having big heavy shoes. If
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you're uh, if you're doing this on an
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outdoor like on the grass, you can
18:38
dig in with some big heavy boots. And apparently
18:40
the US team filed the protest because
18:43
they wore these big, giant doc
18:45
Martins or something like that. I guess right.
18:49
So um that year actually the Liverpool
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Police team medal, got
18:53
a silver medal, and the
18:55
the Brits actually swept the
18:58
podium. The City of London Police got
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gold, Liverpool Police got silver and
19:02
the Metropolitan Police K Division
19:04
got bronze. Here just like all
19:07
these cops battling, all these bobbies battling it
19:09
out. It is and but the reason why
19:11
is apparently it was a big deal in Britain. It was a big
19:13
deal in um Ireland as well. UM
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and your local police force probably had
19:18
a tug of war team because tug of war was part
19:20
of their training. And from what I saw,
19:22
that actually originated from the British
19:24
Navy UM using Tug
19:26
of Wars training to kind of you know,
19:28
hoist sales and all that stuff. You've got
19:30
to basically do that in real life, so
19:32
they would use tug of war and then the cops kind of picked
19:35
it up as police forces came into existence
19:37
in the UK. And then because
19:40
with the Olympics there weren't national teams,
19:42
you could have club teams. That's how you could have
19:44
three different police force
19:47
tug of war teams sweeping the podium
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for Great Britain in in the nineteen
19:51
o eight Olympics and
19:54
it it uh, I mean they still,
19:56
I think still use it in the American military
19:59
because not only is it a good workout, but it's a morale
20:02
builder. You get these divisions
20:04
or platoons against one another, and
20:07
uh, you know, it's a good it's a good group sport,
20:10
especially in the military, like sort of just a
20:12
brute strength thing to try and rally
20:15
your battalion. And keeps saying all these different
20:17
words because I don't know what they call each other, platoons,
20:20
battalions, groups, uh,
20:23
teams, um,
20:25
book clubs, book clubs against one another.
20:28
Uh. Nineteen twenty was the last
20:30
time it was at the Olympics because they
20:32
looked around in nineteen twenty and said, we have way
20:34
too many events and what gets
20:37
cut. Of course, Tug of War was one of those.
20:40
And you know there is I
20:42
don't know about a ground swell, but uh,
20:45
certainly after Squid Game there were a few people wondering
20:47
if it should come back in the Olympics, and I
20:49
doubt it ever will, but you never know. There
20:52
were some things that happened though. Apparently
20:54
back in the Tug
20:56
of War International Federation who
20:58
we'll talk a little bit more about later. Um,
21:01
it was recognized by the International
21:03
Olympic Committee. Um that's
21:06
something. Yeah, which that's a
21:08
huge first step to ending up with
21:10
your sport in the Olympics. But then just
21:12
two years later or three years later,
21:15
Um, the IOC told the media,
21:17
like, you know, the t w i F is
21:19
going to really have to get a lot better
21:22
funding and a lot more international
21:24
participation before it's going to end up in the Olympics.
21:26
Has a long way to go, if ever, it will
21:28
show up again. Yeah, And you
21:30
know, I hate to say it. Ed
21:32
points it out. It's kind of true though it's
21:35
not the most exciting thing to watch when you watch
21:37
competition tug of war. Even
21:40
watching that Superstars clip from
21:42
earlier in my childhood, it
21:44
was an hour and fifteen minutes long of these
21:46
guys basically lying there
21:48
in the sand, uh,
21:51
with an equal tautness on
21:53
both sides of the rope, like nothing was
21:55
happening. They're exhausted that like
21:57
I said, they're taking their hands off to like massad
22:00
their hands and and try and regain
22:02
some bit of a grip. But it ended in a
22:04
draw. No one even one. It was really I
22:07
know it's there's not even a great ending to the
22:09
story, like with Luferrigno and he beat
22:11
Billy Crystal. Um
22:14
Billy Crystal, well they were on teams,
22:16
but Billy Crystal was on one side. Lufrigno was
22:18
on the other. Battle the Network
22:20
Stars, I guess it was soap okay
22:23
at the time, was most of the show Billy Crystal represented.
22:26
But um, at least you know, Luferrigno
22:28
and and Daisy Duke and his team one
22:32
but no one even one in the in the sand
22:34
that day, they just dig in lay there
22:37
and eventually they said, we got to stop this
22:39
madness, so let's set a time limit, like as
22:41
they were going, they set the time limit when
22:44
it was clear nothing was going on. It was terrible television.
22:47
And so they said it in an hour and fifteen and
22:49
it stopped and nobody won. And that was kind
22:51
of it. And sometimes that's how it goes.
22:53
Howard Coastell just comes on and goes, I'm sorry,
22:56
folks on Oh no, it was it Coastel.
22:58
He did the Battle of the Battle Network starts.
23:01
Lufi Now that
23:04
was Katherine Hepburn.
23:09
Now that was so
23:13
um. We should probably talk a little bit about
23:15
the t W I f we we Um
23:17
revealed that there is an International Federation
23:19
of Tug of War UM. And they actually
23:22
came about from what I saw, Chuck Um,
23:24
because after the Olympics, people
23:27
said after the MS I don't
23:29
know if yeah, you did say that. They finally said
23:31
we're cutting these are their tug of
23:33
war is not making the cut. That that
23:35
didn't diminish interest in tug of war
23:37
and a lot of the countries where it was already
23:39
popular. So UM
23:41
they actually started assembling national teams
23:44
and some some national teams have been assembled
23:46
for the Olympics already anyway, but they had no way
23:49
to compete against one another. They
23:51
can only compete within their countries. And
23:53
so the the guy named
23:55
UM, George Hutton got
23:57
together with the Swedes and said, hey, let's
24:00
form the Tug of War
24:02
International Federation back in nineteen
24:04
sixty and the rest is history.
24:06
Known to half a dozen people.
24:13
George E. F. Hutton. Maybe
24:16
I was thinking George Timothy Hutton because
24:19
when he talks, people listen,
24:22
Oh is that who that was? Yeah? I remember
24:24
that commercial, sure, I remember, but I could
24:26
never remember what brokerage it was. Yeah,
24:29
I mean this is the show is just overflying with eighties
24:31
references now all of a sudden, Yeah, do you
24:33
remember the Saturna Night Live spoof of that?
24:36
No? Oh? I think it was Robert
24:38
Smigel and they
24:40
did. They just nailed the commercial. It looked exactly
24:43
like it. But he would just start saying
24:45
all these like bizarre things with
24:47
like the the
24:50
the full attention of the rooms of
24:52
these people just enwrapped. I can't remember what he
24:54
would say, but it's definitely worth looking up. I'm
24:56
sure did a documentary
24:59
on Smigel. They did one on
25:02
The Dana Carvey Show. Have you seen that? No?
25:04
Oh? It was on Hulu and they said like too
25:07
Funny to Live is the name of it or something
25:09
like that, and it was about this
25:11
this show like Dana Carvey just basically gave
25:13
Robert Smigel like carte Blanc to
25:16
make You're just the funniest show of all time.
25:18
No, I know what you're talking about. I actually saw
25:20
that you saw the show. No.
25:23
I saw the documentary about the Kana Carvey Show,
25:25
and I thought you met on the Dana Carvey Show. They
25:27
did a segment or something. I got. Oh. No, but
25:29
I'm saying, like that's probably the closest you can
25:31
come to a Smigle documentary right now.
25:33
Unfortunately, you're right, and that's a good doctor think
25:35
it was. It was, but if
25:38
you're talking international tug
25:40
of war competition, um,
25:42
it is not just uh you
25:44
know, on on I hate to bring it up again, but on
25:46
on the Superstars, uh
25:49
as we'll see. Wait is a really obviously
25:52
huge key factor and
25:54
whether or not you went a tug of war. So, like
25:57
boxing and like wrastling, you
25:59
have to match weights. So they
26:01
actually had I think the baseball
26:04
team had one extra dude, even than
26:06
the football side. This was not official
26:08
in any capacity from what you're just going. Well,
26:11
they had to match weight, you know, that was what it was all
26:13
about. Okay, you know what I mean.
26:16
So the baseball players were lighter than the football
26:18
team, so they had one extra person. But an
26:20
international competition, there
26:23
are eight people on a team.
26:26
I don't even know if there's a way in for
26:28
for these is yes, most
26:30
decidedly, it's extremely important. Well
26:33
then, I mean, what do they
26:35
say, like you just have to match
26:37
weight with the other team and like playing
26:39
your team accordingly, Yes, and
26:42
I don't think it's down to like the pound
26:44
or maybe even the kilogram necessarily,
26:46
but it's got to be close enough. There's a class
26:48
and your team has to weigh within this weight
26:50
class. Okay, I got you, I got you.
26:53
See what I'm saying. That makes not pound for pound
26:55
necessarily, but it has to be an
26:57
eight person team and they have to, like
26:59
the bind way of the team has to fall within
27:01
this window for the class. Okay, that makes sense,
27:03
just like boxing and wrestling in fact, right,
27:06
but divided by eight people. Yeah,
27:09
the rope itself is and
27:11
we should note again, like I said, you
27:14
don't tie the rope around the anchor. There are not knots
27:16
in the rope like sometimes elementary
27:18
school versions you have knots to make it easier
27:20
for little kid hands to hold onto
27:23
and stuff like that. Not true
27:25
at all in international competition or
27:27
any real you know, like genuine
27:29
tug of war. You're not gonna have knots in the rope.
27:32
No, and supposedly um most people
27:34
recommend, although despite
27:37
his best efforts could not find verification.
27:39
I couldn't either that the t W
27:42
I F. It's got to be twiff, right,
27:45
That's what I call it. That twiff mandates
27:48
that the rope has to be a
27:50
natural fiber. But if you
27:52
are, if you're doing anything kind
27:54
of pro or organized really
27:57
even any tug of war, you want to use
27:59
an natural fiber rope because they're less
28:02
prone to snapping. They're also less prone
28:04
to stretching, and as
28:06
we'll see, both of those are really
28:08
bad things that can happen, especially if
28:10
you use a synthetic rope. So, um, you're
28:12
not supposed to use most likely a
28:15
synthetic rope. You want to use
28:17
natural fiber, right. Uh. And
28:19
in this case, it's thirty three and
28:21
a half meters long and
28:23
between ten and twelve and a half centimeters
28:26
in circumference, so it's ten
28:28
feet long about four to five inches in circumference.
28:31
Yeah, and the anchor,
28:33
like I said, they don't tie the rope around their waist,
28:35
but they are the only people allowed
28:38
to manipulate the rope in a way other than
28:40
just holding it palms
28:42
up, which is what everyone else has to do. Like
28:44
you can't wrap it around your wrists. That's a
28:46
bad idea, like as we'll
28:48
see later, uh, your
28:51
coding career, Yeah exactly,
28:54
but the anchor will um,
28:56
they will pass the rope over their shoulder
28:59
and then around or back diagonally, then
29:01
under the opposite armpit, and
29:03
then back over the front of
29:05
their body and then back under that armpit.
29:08
So it's sort of like a little figure eight
29:10
that they wrap around their body, but it's never tied
29:12
right uh, And from from what
29:15
I've seen, it looks like it can be released
29:17
pretty easily and quickly too. It's not gonna
29:19
like tear the person into And
29:21
also they're the ones and the that are the
29:23
furthest back, so they would be least
29:25
affected by a catastrophic break
29:27
of the rope right or fall
29:29
into a pit of vipers. One
29:32
thing that I didn't notice or realize
29:34
before that I thought was pretty interesting, but
29:37
it makes total sense, is that if
29:39
you are a poller, so like you said, the anchor
29:41
is the only one who can do anything like wrapping the
29:43
rope around even their hand. Um.
29:47
You you can grip the rope palms
29:49
up and that's it. You can't like move
29:52
hand over hand to like gain
29:54
length on the rope. That's illegal. You
29:56
can't walk up the rope right, It's
29:58
called I think climbing and quote um,
30:00
climbing the rope like you have to basically
30:03
keep your hands in roughly the same area, which
30:05
means that all of the pull on the
30:08
rope, all the movement on the rope is
30:10
created by your leg
30:12
power. Like you're holding onto the rope
30:14
with your with your arms to keep it from
30:17
being to keep yourself from being pulled back,
30:19
but you're also you're mostly using your
30:21
leg power. Like almost all of the strategy
30:23
in the point of tug of war is
30:26
in the legs. Yeah,
30:28
you're literally walking the rope backwards.
30:32
Lou Ferrigno and team they could. It was
30:34
It's like the Wild West. They were pulling that thing
30:36
hand over hand. You can't do that. Until
30:38
Billy Crystal was in that water pool. I
30:41
didn't know you can't do that, But now I understand.
30:43
You can't do that. No, just for TV.
30:47
Yeah, you gotta just dig in and pull pull
30:49
pull. Uh, you have
30:51
a coach. Another name
30:54
for a coach is a driver. And
30:56
the driver it's a big deal. You know, the driver
30:58
walks up and down the line and you
31:01
know there are, like I said, great periods of rests
31:04
where you have to just sort of you
31:06
aren't allowed to lay down though. Again, Uh,
31:08
like on TV, you can't do that. You have
31:10
to keep on your feet. But there are still
31:13
periods of what you would call rest, and
31:15
then the driver will will will mount a challenge,
31:17
you know, a unison unified
31:20
in unison pull pull pull,
31:23
and you know that's it's sort of like being
31:26
the who's
31:28
the person my mom does the dragon boat
31:30
racing the person in the back of the boat
31:32
steers and like, yeah,
31:35
that's yeah, that's what I thought of. Two in the growing
31:38
crew, But I mean
31:40
dragon boat, they actually steered a is the Do
31:42
they do that in the rowing team? No? The
31:44
coxswain doesn't do anything shouting
31:46
to like a little boy varsity
31:49
we're gonna hear it. Probably
31:52
the coxwayn Society,
31:54
that's right. Who
31:56
you've heard of unless you've been living under a rock,
31:58
that's right. Hey, maybe speaking of rock, we
32:01
should crawl under one and take a quick break before
32:05
we talk about some of the supportive gear and footwear,
32:07
which is super exciting stuff.
32:10
Okay, cool, all right, we'll be right back. All
32:37
right, I talked. I promised footwear
32:39
and supportive gear. Yeah. Supportive gear
32:42
you can wear like belts and kneepads
32:44
and stuff like that. Or belt
32:47
huh, like a weightlifting belt. Yeah,
32:49
do you ever have one of those? No, I've
32:51
never been quite that into it. Yeah,
32:55
when you show up to the gym and one of those you're you're sending
32:57
a statement, you definitely are.
32:59
You say, I'm into lifting weights. That's
33:02
right, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not making fun of it, especially
33:05
if you have like your name burned into it
33:09
in some like uh like steer
33:11
horns or something, yeah, like that filigree.
33:16
But the footwear I talked earlier about friction,
33:18
I mean, tug of war is all about feet
33:21
meeting the ground and that friction and
33:23
being able to maintain your
33:25
place and digging in and you
33:28
uh, if you're you know, indoors in a gymnasium,
33:31
you're probably just wearing some kind of good sneaker. But
33:33
outside you're allowed to wear these big boots
33:36
and uh with with big heels.
33:39
And I guess they regulate this for competition
33:42
because you don't want to be like the English police team,
33:44
the Liverpool Police and overdo
33:46
it. But you are allowed to wear certain
33:49
kinds of big boots. You are
33:51
and again it's like you that's
33:53
the reason why you're wearing boots is because that
33:55
is where you're winning or losing the game
33:57
is in your your leg power and
34:00
how much contact you have with the ground,
34:02
and how much of that you can use to propel
34:04
yourself and your team backward, holding
34:06
onto the rope and then thus pulling the other team
34:09
over that center line. That's
34:11
right. Should we talk about a match, Yeah,
34:14
I think we should. I think we've reached the point we've
34:17
laid it out enough, Chuck, that everybody's ready
34:19
for a match for us to describe through
34:22
audio a tug of war match. All
34:24
right, So you got that rope slaying on the ground
34:27
may or may not be a mud pit or water
34:29
in the middle, But for competition,
34:32
that's usually like TV kind of stuff. I don't think they really
34:34
do that in legit competitions, No, they
34:36
don't. It's got to be on turf grass if it's outdoors,
34:39
or either a gym floor or a special pad
34:42
that gives you a little a lot more traction
34:44
on an indoor match, that's right.
34:46
So there's a judge, I guess, like a
34:48
referee. They would say
34:51
take up the rope. Everyone on each
34:53
side would pick up the rope. They would say take
34:55
the strain. And that
34:57
just means you pull it tight and taught, but you're
35:00
not like actually pulling on each other yet and
35:02
then you have that thing you gotta they
35:05
get they center it right in the middle. You've probably
35:07
got like something hanging down or some tape
35:09
in the center of the rope. He's got to line up
35:11
with the center of the of the
35:13
match floor. And then on either
35:15
side, and in true competition, I think
35:17
it's actually marked out four meters
35:20
on either side of center. But
35:22
depending on if you're doing playground
35:24
versions or about all the network stars, that
35:26
number can vary. But this is the official Twiff
35:29
style. Is four meters is
35:31
where you want to pull your opponent.
35:35
Yes, so that that center line
35:37
that's marked on the rope has
35:39
to be pulled over either
35:42
of those other lines on either side.
35:44
The sideline marking is what it's called. So
35:46
if you pull that center line onto
35:49
the over the sideline, it's closest to you,
35:51
you just want and vice versa. That's
35:53
right, I think, Yeah, I think we're
35:56
doing a great job here at Chuck. I think so the
35:58
judge obviously is going to shout ready,
36:01
pull and then that's when you start.
36:04
Yeah, they shoot a shotgun in the air. Uh,
36:08
And then these are actually scored though their
36:10
matches. Each match has two tugs
36:12
or two poles and if you win
36:15
two to nothing, if you win both, you
36:18
get three points. If you each win one,
36:20
you each get one point, and then
36:22
you just progress sort of in a round robin kind
36:25
of way tournament style. Yeah, and then sudden
36:27
death is best two poles out
36:29
of three, I believe, right.
36:31
And if you do dig in superstars
36:34
way, then you're there for an hour and fifteen
36:36
minutes. Uh, and nothing's going
36:38
on. The judge can say call a no
36:40
poll, which I guess is just like a tie. Or
36:43
if one team is just really not doing anything,
36:46
Uh, you can actually be disqualified. Yes,
36:50
I think that would be the no a no poll
36:53
call if you're not doing anything. Or I think both
36:55
teams can get a no poll call if they both wear
36:57
each other out and they both just kind of stop, if
36:59
they both start laying around like the seventy
37:02
eight Royals and whatever football team they're
37:04
playing, that would be a clear no pole
37:06
against both teams. So they is
37:09
qualified. Yeah, well I guess it's I you're
37:11
both kicked out and both lost. You
37:13
all are thrown into the mud pit. That's
37:15
right by the judge. So this
37:18
is this is still going on, like this is UM.
37:20
These rules are still being followed in national
37:23
and international competition. September
37:26
of the
37:28
World Championships will be in the Netherlands.
37:32
UM. And there's yeah, there's plenty of like national
37:34
and UM and local
37:37
polls, tug of war poles
37:39
um that go on every
37:41
Sunday. I believe starting at eleven is
37:43
the official time wherever your local
37:45
time is. If there's a tug of war competition
37:48
and they're doing it at eleven am on Sunday,
37:51
it's probably official. Yeah,
37:53
this smacks of the kind of thing like you know how there's
37:55
well, I know, you know there's kickball teams, recreational
37:58
kickball leagues because you and Arey
38:00
famously played on a kickball team together many
38:02
years ago. It seems like a hundred
38:04
years ago, doesn't it a thousand? Maybe?
38:07
Uh, there's dart teams, there's Bocci leagues,
38:09
softball, a bunch of their local tug
38:12
of war leagues. Surely there's
38:14
just no way, especially after squids games.
38:18
Yeah, you just get drunk on
38:20
on liquor and pull each other
38:22
into the mud, that's right. But
38:24
officially, I think there's seven seventy
38:27
three countries that are members of the
38:29
twit of TWI how many
38:31
seventy three by my account according
38:34
to the rules that were published in high
38:36
your account one to
38:40
right. And then I keep getting messed up around
38:42
seventeen or eighteen. And here's
38:45
what you do. You copy paste that into the word
38:47
die. That's good, just hit number. Yeah,
38:49
that's a great idea. But then it does the thing where
38:51
it goes one, A and B and you're like, what are you even
38:54
doing? Word formatting?
38:57
And I want it formatted like that? Right?
39:02
That program hate
39:04
word. Yeah, there's a big
39:07
word anti word backlash.
39:10
I suspect this really
39:12
an anti Microsoft backlash.
39:14
I think so. Right, alright,
39:18
so we're talking about how to be good at
39:20
tug of War. I think, sure,
39:22
you've got to be strong and have big shoes, which
39:25
I'm I realized just now as I'm
39:27
looking through my notes, I'm missing that page.
39:30
But it also doesn't matter because
39:34
you basically said what you have to do, UM,
39:37
that that you need to wear like really
39:39
good shoes that are heavy. You need to
39:41
have explosively powerful legs.
39:44
You need to have arm strength, which is something
39:46
that I hope, um, which is something
39:48
I think we is worth pointing out. If you
39:50
are actually good at Tug of War, and you compete
39:52
in in Tug of War competitions and you
39:55
are doing stuff like like
39:57
like world competitions through twift you
40:00
are an extraordinarily
40:02
all around fit person
40:04
and very strong person because
40:07
playing Tug of War in any kind of competitive
40:10
level requires a lot of different
40:12
muscle groups, and all of those muscle
40:14
groups have to be really, really strong.
40:16
That's right. I guess we could talk a little bit
40:18
about squid Game here. If
40:21
you have not seen it and you want to, or you don't want
40:23
something spoiled, just don't listen for the
40:25
next couple of minutes. But there's a great,
40:27
great pivotal scene in that great show
40:29
where Um and the concept
40:31
of the show is that they're these people
40:34
that have been gathered together who
40:36
are all very desperate, usually because of money
40:38
and financial woes, who
40:40
are pitted against one another in these childhood
40:43
games Um to the death and
40:45
the winner gets a lot of money
40:48
here at the end, and Tug of War is
40:50
one of them. And this is a tug of war though that
40:52
is stage many many floors up
40:55
and you fall to your death and
40:57
the and you lose like
41:00
forever as in your your life
41:02
has gone that the ultimate
41:04
loss. So in squid
41:06
game, the weaker team
41:08
pulls out a victory against a stronger team because
41:10
of a very brilliant strategy
41:13
employed by the elder statesman of the weak
41:15
team, wherein they all
41:17
start out uh with their
41:19
feet um parallel to
41:22
one another dug in and
41:24
they all the first thing they do is lean all
41:26
the way back and look up at the sky and
41:28
just set there and don't move. And
41:31
then their strategy, I believe was too at
41:33
a certain point when one person says so,
41:36
is to release the ropes on to
41:38
get the other team off balance and
41:41
then grab it again and start this
41:43
hoo hoo hoo, all
41:45
pulling in these big unified
41:48
tugs. And they won. They
41:51
did when yeah, they this other stronger,
41:53
heavier, more fit team
41:56
um fell to their death because
41:59
you left out that you're you're connected to that
42:01
rope. So when when
42:03
one guy goes down there there, they take
42:05
the rope with them and thus comes the rest
42:07
of the team too. It's pretty
42:09
pretty brutal, um. But there was
42:12
a study that you found Us
42:15
magazine of all places, um
42:18
that that some some people basically
42:20
experimented with it. They got a group of like
42:23
smaller, weaker people compared
42:25
to the other team and and
42:28
use that strategy and how did it pan
42:30
out? Well, it didn't pan out like the
42:32
TV show. Obviously the TV show
42:34
was dramatized for great
42:36
effect. But I did
42:39
read and another article about that same
42:41
quote unquote study that um,
42:44
in theory it could work and this
42:46
wasn't the best test of it, uh,
42:49
and that there was something to that initial
42:52
a stance and dig in at
42:55
least. Okay, So I
42:57
think we finally reached like far and away
42:59
that the absolute the most interesting part
43:01
of Tug of war. Yeah,
43:05
that you can suffer serious
43:07
injury and potentially even death from
43:09
playing Tug of war if you don't know what you're doing
43:11
and you don't do it right. Because people have
43:13
before. Yeah, I mean there
43:15
have been amputations.
43:18
Obviously, some really awful accidents with kids
43:20
when they would wrap their hands
43:22
around you know, the rope around their wrists and stuff
43:24
like that, little little digits
43:27
that were had to be amputated. Um.
43:29
A lot of the injuries come from the rope snap
43:31
that we talked about. Using a nylon rope,
43:33
it'll pull like a rubber band and then snap,
43:36
and that can has killed people. Yeah,
43:38
because teams of people, and the more
43:40
people you add to a team, the more dangerous the
43:42
game becomes for a couple of reasons. One is
43:45
the likelihood of snapping a
43:47
rope is increases. And
43:49
then also when that rope snaps, all those people
43:51
fall back where all of a sudden, and so people
43:54
can get crushed and trampled, and
43:56
that happens as well. But when you're
43:58
when you have two teams of people, even like
44:01
little kids, as long as there's enough little kids,
44:04
they're exerting tons
44:06
and tons of force on that rope that's
44:08
being stored in the rope. And
44:10
as I was saying earlier, with synthetic
44:12
ropes, they stretch more, which means
44:14
that more tension is
44:17
being stored, more energy is being stored
44:19
in that rope, so that when it does finally
44:21
snap, more energy is suddenly released.
44:24
And when it when it's released, chuck. When
44:26
that rope snaps backward,
44:29
it snaps back where it was so much force depending
44:31
on how much force is stored in it, that it is
44:34
torn people's arms off like they
44:36
didn't let go fast enough and
44:38
their arms still holding onto the rope
44:41
flew away from them.
44:43
That's like something out of squid game. But it's real.
44:46
Yeah, that happened, and I think Taiwan
44:48
in the in the nineties. I believe
44:51
in Taipei happened to not one
44:54
but two people who were um playing
44:56
tug of war. They were the first people closest
44:59
to the opposing side on
45:01
either side. That's who had their their arms
45:03
torn off. Yeah. And here's the word of advice.
45:06
If you ever see an ad that says, hey,
45:08
come down and be a part of this Guinness World Record
45:11
tug of war, don't do it. No,
45:13
that's a bad idea. Accidents happen
45:16
there as well. And
45:18
like you said, also when if you loop, like
45:20
do not ever even even like fun
45:22
recreation um tug
45:24
of war, don't don't loop
45:27
the rope around your hand because you're
45:29
like the force that's being exerted
45:32
on the rope finds its way into that loop
45:34
which wants to close, and it's closing around your fingers.
45:36
And like like you said, not only
45:38
have people had their fingers amputated later
45:41
because they got so torn off, the rope itself
45:43
can amputate your fingers, like
45:46
like you can just lose some fingers messing
45:48
around at a local tug of war competition.
45:51
That's for charity. It happened,
45:53
has happened before too, so be safe everyone.
45:56
I got one more thing on squid Games, so again,
45:59
big spoiler. Come, Okay, don't
46:01
listen. I'll give you a few seconds. Okay.
46:04
The thing I didn't think about, you saw it through the
46:06
end of the show. Yeah.
46:09
The thing I didn't think about until today
46:12
was that that Tug of War game had to be rigged because
46:14
the old man was the organizer
46:16
of the whole thing, so he wasn't gonna fall to his death,
46:19
so that it was rigged. The Tugg of War had to be rigged.
46:22
Yeah, but I'm not sure how. And and you
46:24
might have found like a plot hole more
46:27
than anything. Well, I read online
46:29
and some people say that like it
46:31
was a genuine win. But there were
46:33
the people up there watching, like the guards
46:37
were like ready to step in in case
46:39
it looked like that he was gonna get pulled in or
46:41
something. I got you, So it
46:43
was, uh, they could have cut
46:45
the rope or something to prevent that from happening, but
46:47
then the jig would have been up.
46:51
Yeah, or they could have think maybe they had a
46:53
plan to make it seem like, you
46:55
know, there was something that some however,
46:58
but those guards, man, how well done? Was there
47:00
uniform just to make them just creepy? Anonymous?
47:02
Yeah it was. It was awesome. I really love
47:04
the show. I can't wait for what's coming in season
47:07
two? Me whoa,
47:09
Is there gonna be a season two? Yeah? I mean it ends
47:11
with dude coming back as a genuine
47:14
tough dude, like going back. Remember
47:16
he could have left and he went back. Yes,
47:19
but I didn't know that there was definitely going to
47:21
be a season two. Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna go back
47:23
there like like uh
47:27
Jack Black and Kung Fu Panda Terminator
47:30
two. Yeah, they're okay, there
47:32
you go. I think that's a more apt and let her
47:34
name Linda Hamilton's Yeah, okay,
47:36
I thought I got it wrong. No, you got it right,
47:38
man, just like you got a tug of war?
47:41
Right? But did we did?
47:43
We? Did? We? Did? You
47:45
got anything else? No? No
47:48
tic tac to. I promise we're done with
47:50
this two part series. All right?
47:52
Uh? Well, since Chuck said we're done, that
47:55
means we're done, and that means, of course, everybody, it's
47:57
time for listener mail. Unless
48:01
we do thumb wrestling. If
48:03
there's something to it, sure, maybe
48:06
a shorty. I'm always down with with
48:08
interesting stuff like that as long as there's something
48:10
to it, you know. All Right, I'm gonna call this eagle versus
48:13
Hawk and another chance to poke fun at Jerry a
48:15
little bit. This
48:17
this goes down in history alongside the
48:19
Billhelms scream. Oh, I don't
48:21
forget same old lang sign. Oh
48:25
that's right. So yeah, our beloved
48:27
sister and producer Jerry,
48:29
who we like to tease. Occasionally we will call for
48:31
a special effect here and there, and she
48:34
sometimes she has in that for getting them wrong. And
48:37
that's the case with eagle versus Hawk. Hey, guys, just
48:39
listen to the Cookies episode and heard the eagle
48:41
cry quote unquote denoting
48:44
the golden age of cookies. I want to let
48:46
you know that bird cry use was probably a
48:48
red tailed hawk. Hollywood prefers the
48:50
red tailed hawk cry to the actual eagle cry
48:52
because it sounds much more majestic.
48:54
The first time I ever heard an eagle make a noise, I thought for sure
48:56
it was a giant mutant chicken. Uh,
48:59
much more of an aggressive cluck.
49:01
Definitely understand why Hollywood makes his choice, but I
49:04
remember being gooped
49:06
by this fact. I never heard that use that way,
49:09
so I wanted to share it with you all. Thanks and heavy,
49:11
happy, have a happy New Year. In
49:13
my defense, I knew that was a hawk, but
49:16
the eagles sound was so pitiful
49:18
I didn't use it. Hey,
49:21
there's Jerry. Guys. She actually stepped
49:23
in to defend herself. There she is,
49:26
Chuck. I feel like an error has just ended.
49:29
Well, she's been on before, but that was the most blatant
49:31
Jerry. It was yet pretty blatant, but I think
49:34
that was a good one. Jerry's way to step in. Uh
49:36
ps, is your board game sold out? I
49:39
was sad to not see it under the Christmas tree this year.
49:42
Cordially your resident Burdenard Katie Rose
49:44
Souder Katie. The board
49:47
game did sell out in some and
49:49
a lot of online retailers, but it's verywhere
49:51
be back soon, right, I actually, Chuck,
49:54
I think that there. I don't
49:56
know if they're sold out or not. That they were sold
49:58
out everywhere in the world except
50:01
for Indigo, which is Canada's largest
50:03
bookstore. They had some as of the
50:05
beginning of the holiday season earlier,
50:07
but they may be out. But from
50:10
what are our friends at Hasbro tell
50:12
us they should be back in stock at
50:14
the end of this month, end of January. That's
50:17
right. But anyway, thank you Katie Rose Sounder
50:19
for that email. Yes, thank you
50:21
Katie Rose. Uh. And if
50:23
you want to be like Katie Rose and uh
50:26
send us an email you can. You can
50:28
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50:31
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50:33
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50:38
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