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Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production

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of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck

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Bryant and Jerry's even here. Believe

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it or not, We're thrilled for that.

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And uh, this is stuff you should

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know. Okay, stop asking,

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that's right. Uh. I want

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to say this is part two of

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the rudimentary games

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that there is seemingly more too than

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you would think. Hm, starting

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with rochambo or almost

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a tick tech toe again, what's my deal with that? I

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don't know rock paper scissors, but

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I must admit there is more to Rock paper

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Scissors than Tug of War. I am

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very glad that I didn't have to get

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that out of you. Yeah, I thought there would.

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I thought there was more to it than this strategy wise,

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and I think I was suckered at by Squid

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Game, which we'll talk

1:02

about a little bit later, uh,

1:05

into thinking that there could be some

1:07

more depths to this. There's

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not a whole lot. No. Apparently Squid

1:13

Games like really took something and and made

1:15

something huge out of it, because I

1:17

mean it was even an Olympic support for a little

1:20

while in the Olympics were like, let's

1:22

not do that anymore. Yeah, although

1:24

I have to say growing up in this eighties

1:27

and uh, there was it was

1:29

a lot more in the forefront because like

1:32

Battle of the Network Stars did it on

1:34

TV. H do you remember

1:36

the Superstars? No,

1:39

it was a sports competition

1:41

show on Sunday afternoons and

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it took, you know, prominent athletes

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from all sports and pitted

1:49

them against one another all

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season long to to determine a champion.

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And there was this great obstacle

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course it was. It was one of the most sort of eighties

1:58

you know, aside from uh American

2:01

American Gladiators kind of things that you could

2:03

watch and uh

2:06

there was a tug of war, usually

2:08

between two teams comprised of like prominent

2:11

football players versus prominent baseball players,

2:13

and that was always a big deal. In

2:16

fact, I just watched a a

2:18

recap of the one hour in fifteen minute

2:21

epic battle from

2:24

between members of the Kansas City Royals

2:27

and uh, I don't know who the other side was. I think it was

2:29

a football team. Was George Brett on that

2:31

team? Yet? You bet your buddy

2:33

was Was that his rookie year? No?

2:37

Huh, But it was right,

2:41

no, no no, no Prebo Jackson yet, but

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that was pretty epic. And on that one they

2:45

were I mean they were laying down

2:47

in the sand and resting, some guys

2:49

taking their hands off at times. It

2:52

was you know, all the rules, you know. They tied the

2:55

rope around their waist, as did Louferrigno

2:57

in Battle of the Network Stars was the anchor

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all kinds of things that you don't do, which we'll talk about

3:02

in true competition Tug of War,

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but it was just sort of I feel

3:06

like we saw Tug of War a lot more in the eighties than

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we do now. Yeah. That

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and running under a giant parachute

3:13

that your classmates were billowing up for

3:16

you. It's a second reference.

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I've heard of that in a week. Oh really, yeah,

3:20

I never did that, but oh chuck,

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we're going to we're gonna get

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some stuff. You should know. Listeners together and

3:27

do that because you have to experience it at least

3:29

once. You're like, it is thrilling, I need

3:31

to. It was on the Threedom podcast, So Paula

3:33

Tompkins and Ackerman and Lauren Lapkins we're

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talking about that. It's a lot of fun. We're gonna

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I'm gonna like that is going to happen before

3:40

you die, all right, and I

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gets run under you run under before it

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catches you. That's the key. So there's

3:46

like a certain amount of tention to it. What if he

3:48

catches you, like touches you, Yes, that

3:50

silky goodness. Don't you want that touch on you know?

3:52

Or else you you dissolve? Okay?

3:57

Uh But anyway, I just you know, in the field

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day in the eighties, like there was tug of war all over

4:01

the place, but you don't see it much anymore until

4:04

squid Game came around, and I think that did sort

4:06

of reignite some interest, including

4:08

myself totally. And it's from

4:10

what from this research that we've done on this

4:13

um your experience and my experience

4:15

too at that age where you know, tug

4:17

of war is like a

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big part of your life. That's the most

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you can possibly experience or get out of it.

4:24

You got everything there was to get out of it

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pretty much except for knowing that it was an

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Olympic sport for twenty years, that's right.

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And squid Games the TV show, by the way, and then we

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often just talk about things, is that people know what

4:35

they are well. I mean, who

4:37

hasn't heard of Squid Games? Did

4:39

you watch it? Yeah? Of course

4:42

yes, me and everybody else on the planet.

4:44

That's why you just mistitled it. I just was curious

4:47

what I call it squid Games? Is

4:51

it suid squid Game? Yeah? Okay,

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yeah, I really, I really fumble down. Well,

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it's better than Squid's game because that's all the pressure

5:00

that sounds like how Hodgeman would pronounce it. So

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yeah, if you haven't seen Squid Game, um,

5:06

like, go check it out. It's amazing and

5:08

it's on Netflix and actually it alone

5:10

is worth getting a month's subscription to Netflix

5:13

if you don't have it. Yeah, but we'll talk

5:15

about the strategy they use, which made for great

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television, but apparently it's not a

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thing, disappointingly. Yeah, but if you haven't

5:21

seen some good games, don't listen to that part.

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Just put your fingers in your ears and shout

5:25

Mimi Me at the top of your lungs and very

5:28

high pitched voice until we're done.

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So we're talking about Tug of War, believe it or

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not, and um, I

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think chuck just in the spirit of people who

5:37

say stop saying if you if unless

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you've been living under a rock. You haven't heard of something

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we should explain with Tug of war is okay,

5:45

Yeah, let's do it. Okay. So,

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in the modern sense of the word, tug

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of war is a game that's

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played between It can be as

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as few as two people. It

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can be as many as your imagination

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can fit onto a rope.

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And um, the people

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are on two sides. Uh,

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they're opposing sides, and they're pulling in opposite

6:10

directions on that rope. And the point of

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the game is to pull your opponent

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pass some line to where

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you've just won, or pull them,

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knock them down, pull it until they let go of

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the rope, or There's

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a few different ways to win, but generally

6:26

you're pulling your opponent past some

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line and then you've won and

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you can run around shouting yes and

6:34

thrusting your fist in the air. That's right.

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I think the most fun versions, especially

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on television, are when there's a mud pit in

6:41

the middle. Sure. Uh.

6:43

In the case of squid game, it is a battle

6:46

to the death, that's all we'll say.

6:49

Uh. In elementary school, it's

6:51

usually on the gymnasium floor with some

6:53

tape or like a ribbon

6:56

hanging down from the rope, or

6:59

maybe if um the phizz

7:01

ed teacher hadn't pre planned, it's

7:04

just their whistle and their lanyard

7:06

forming a line on the floor. Uh.

7:08

In the case of Revenge of the Nerds, the nerds

7:11

have no chance. I guess I should

7:13

say spoiler alert. Oh, I remember

7:15

what happens there. They let go. They

7:17

did. They won by losing,

7:20

that's right, They let go and the jocks

7:23

fell into the dusty dirt, and the

7:25

nerds just said, congratulations,

7:28

you won, and boy

7:30

Ogre was so mad. Ogre was so

7:32

mad. So.

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Um, that's it. That's tug

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of war. And you've probably played it before, and it is

7:39

true, like I'm just giving you some grief that like

7:41

there's nothing more to it, there is a

7:43

surprising amount more to it, because it is

7:46

a ridiculously simple game. Um,

7:49

but it's so simple. Chuck that Ed who

7:51

helped us out with this, makes a really good point that

7:54

basically, if you threw a dart at any part

7:56

of the globe, you would probably

7:58

find some his Doric tradition

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of some form of tug of war. It's

8:04

been it spans millennia,

8:07

it um, it crosses geographic

8:09

and cultural boundaries. It's just

8:11

been invented multiple times in multiple

8:14

places because it's just such a simple concept,

8:17

and yet at the same time it still gives

8:19

you that thrill that any game or

8:21

struggle should give you when you win. Do

8:24

you want to hit some history? Do you want to save that? I

8:26

think we should hit some history. It just makes sense to

8:28

put it at the beginning if you ask me, Yeah,

8:31

so, yeah, you're right. I mean we're talking, Uh,

8:33

Vikings did it, the

8:36

Nordic sports did

8:38

it across streams. Uh.

8:41

There have been various versions of like

8:43

man versus beast at times, or a

8:45

machine versus machine. The

8:48

British Navy INTI they

8:51

used a tug of war to settle a debate

8:53

on whether a propeller driven ship

8:56

was better than the old paddle wheel. Of

8:58

course, the propeller one.

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Yeah, so it's it's been a way to settle

9:02

disputes at times. Yeah,

9:04

and I think it's still is. It's not quite as

9:06

good at settling a spew to say, rock paper

9:08

scissors. It takes longer, and there's there's

9:11

you know, potential injuries

9:13

we'll see, but yes, you can settle this potential

9:15

amputation which scissors. Will never do

9:17

in rock paper scissors. Now, try as hard

9:19

as you can, you just can't do it. Uh,

9:22

what about this the rasa

9:24

Kashi? Yeah, so apparently

9:27

India has a long tradition of

9:29

um tug of war like games, and

9:32

I guess their their version of tug of war is

9:34

called rassakashi. And you can still tune

9:36

into game shows today where

9:38

like that's part of the game show is like a tug

9:40

of war and there's

9:42

not you know, normally when you watch a game show,

9:45

there's like a there's just a

9:47

certain amount of peppiness and like lightness

9:50

to the whole thing. Now, the one

9:52

I saw this rasakashi um

9:55

competition, it looks it looked

9:57

like a game show was indoors in a stage and like

9:59

the whole was wearing a suit or whatever. But they

10:02

were dead serious about this, like they took

10:04

it really seriously. UM.

10:06

And that's apparently out of the Punjab region

10:09

of of India. There's

10:11

UH in an entirely different part of India

10:14

called Konark there's a Sun temple

10:16

there that was built in the century

10:19

and there's a depiction of tug of war on

10:22

the wall there. So it's been around in

10:24

India for quite some time, hundreds and hundreds

10:26

of years at least. Yeah, And of course

10:28

when Europeans came to

10:31

the America's and this is

10:33

sort of unclear whether or not they brought it with them

10:35

or whether or not it uh

10:38

existed previously to indigenous people

10:40

of the America's, which is very possible

10:42

because they had all kinds of kind of folky sports

10:45

that they played in tug of war.

10:47

You know, I think what piqued my interest from the beginning was

10:50

the rudimentary nature of it, which

10:52

is, like you said, sometimes just one

10:55

person on one side and one person another

10:57

and can you pull them? Can you out

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either maybe out with them or usually

11:03

just out muscle them to do

11:05

so. So perhaps Native American

11:07

tribes did this to begin with, but

11:09

at any rate, they uh,

11:11

you know, the colonizers would would

11:14

play these games sometimes including tug of

11:16

war, and Ed points out sometimes it was

11:19

a friendlier way to say I can

11:21

dominate you rather than just

11:23

killing someone, right right, yes,

11:26

um, And and and again that's a way to settle

11:28

disputes or tension as well. It can

11:30

be if we'll take these

11:33

five thousand acres because

11:36

we want a tug of war as we pulled you over the

11:38

arbitrary line. Right. Um,

11:41

there's there's tug of war in China.

11:44

Um, there's tug of war. There's a

11:46

long standing tug of war from that started

11:49

in the fourteenth century in Korea called

11:51

the Jewel

11:54

Darigi Festival. I think he

11:56

nailed it. They they have it

11:58

uh every year, and

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it's substantially different from most

12:02

other tug of war that you've ever seen,

12:05

sorry tugs of war that

12:07

you've seen, and that the rope

12:10

is enormous. Um.

12:12

Typically it's about two hundred meters long, the

12:14

six hundred feet for you American school

12:16

kids a meter thick, weighing

12:19

forty tons, And

12:22

you're like, well, how do you even get your arms around a

12:24

three ft circumference rope? Well you don't.

12:26

It has actual ropes, smaller ropes

12:28

that you can handle coming off of it,

12:31

and hundreds of people will participate

12:33

in this and the whole town turns

12:35

out for it, and it's amazing

12:37

to see UH. And I was like, that certainly

12:40

rings a bell because Humi has told me many, many

12:42

times that one of her fondest childhood

12:45

memories is the tug of war festival

12:48

in Naha and Okinawa, where she was

12:50

born and raised. UM, and they've

12:52

been doing that since the seventeenth century, and it's

12:54

it bears such a striking resemblance to the one

12:57

from Korea that obviously the Koreans influenced

12:59

them. But it's the east of the town

13:01

in the west of the town, and they've

13:04

their rope is even bigger and even

13:06

more people come. Apparently they

13:08

set the world record. There were two hundred

13:10

and seventy thousand people in attendance and

13:13

fifteen thousand people participating

13:16

on the east and the west side. Uh.

13:18

And I can't remember which one that year.

13:21

It was quite a party to see that video.

13:23

And I imagine the Japanese

13:26

festival is much like the one in Korea, where the

13:28

tug of war itself is really

13:30

not the fun. The fun is getting together building

13:33

this rope together. I imagine

13:35

there's a little bit of drinking that goes on. Yeah, it

13:37

had and uh, everyone just has

13:39

a good time. It's sort of been the spirit of uh,

13:42

of friendship rather than let me try

13:44

and dominate you, right exactly,

13:47

because I mean they're all from the same time. It's just the east side

13:49

of the town. On the west side of the town, but the so

13:51

I asked you me about that because I hadn't heard about

13:54

the rope being constructed. Apparently at the Korean festival

13:56

they make the rope every year, and

13:59

I was like, did did they construct the

14:01

rope every year? And she's like, well, I don't think

14:03

so. And I said, well, where did they

14:06

store this forty three ton si

14:08

ft long rope? And she's like a hanger, know,

14:13

So I need to get to the bottom of that of whether

14:15

they made the rope themselves. But she

14:17

was a kid. They would go every year and she just

14:20

it was like the biggest deal every year in in Okinawa.

14:23

So she was the anchor, she

14:25

was, she was cheering them on. I think

14:28

she did participate at least one year. Yeah,

14:30

that's cute. You just grab a rope, you know, and pull.

14:32

Yeah, exactly. I think it's

14:35

Some people say that it was one of

14:37

the original ancient Olympic sports,

14:39

but there's not a ton to back this up

14:42

is being true. It may have been, um

14:45

but as Ed points out, it you

14:47

know, it didn't. It didn't get a lot of press even if it

14:49

was, so it was never that highly

14:51

regarded. Uh and when it

14:53

was an official Olympic sport in the modern

14:55

Olympics, it was still

14:57

in the early nineteen hundreds, was still not super

15:00

highly regarded in that you

15:02

didn't field, um like

15:04

an American, an official American team.

15:06

There were clubs, teamed club teams that would show

15:08

up and could uh participate like multiple

15:11

from one country, and then

15:13

sometimes they would just feel the team

15:15

from people in other sports. But

15:17

if you were like a shot putter, I would

15:20

say, now go do the shot put Like, I

15:22

know, you're on the anchor for the team, but the

15:25

schedules conflict and you should do the shot. But because

15:27

that's a real event, yeah, for sure, which

15:29

is sad. It is sort of sad,

15:31

especially if you were like the one guy on the tug

15:33

aboard team who like really took it seriously

15:36

and all of a sudden your team dissolved because the

15:38

shot put her to go shot putt and so on.

15:40

That's right. Um, you want to take a break

15:43

and then come back and talk a little more about

15:45

the Olympic history of it. Yeah, let's do

15:47

it. Okay,

16:12

okay, Chuck, so um, there's a

16:14

lot of legend and laura around

16:16

this very short um

16:18

period of Olympic history. Um,

16:22

that tug of war appeared in and a lot

16:24

of it's wrong, Like you were saying that it was an

16:26

original, ancient Games event and there's no

16:28

real evidence of that. There's also

16:30

um a widely held

16:32

fact that a guy named

16:35

Constantine Enriquez de

16:37

Zubi Eira was the

16:39

first black Olympic athlete and that he

16:41

won a silver and Tug of War and gold

16:44

and rugby in the nineteen Olympics.

16:46

And apparently that's partly

16:48

true but not right.

16:52

I think it was a case of mistaken identity usually,

16:55

which just one of those Internet things where it keeps

16:57

getting repeated anyway, But

16:59

there was a Lumbian name

17:01

Francisco Enriquez the

17:04

Siberia that did win a silver

17:06

medal for Tug of War, but a

17:08

Haitian Constantine Enriquez

17:11

one rugby. Okay,

17:13

So, so Constantine Enriquez

17:15

was the first black Olympic athlete. He just

17:17

had nothing to do with Tug of War. I think

17:20

that's the case. But I mean that's

17:22

the kind of depth that we have

17:24

to get to to make Tug of War interesting. Cases

17:29

of mistaken identity. I wasn't

17:31

even going to mention it actually, but sure, okay,

17:34

um so okay, So there was

17:36

a twenty year period from nine ninety

17:38

Olympics you could find

17:40

tug of war unless your team had gotten dissolved,

17:43

and apparently that happened frequently enough

17:45

that I believe in the nineteen

17:48

oh what Olympics was it to where

17:50

so many teams got dissolved that they only

17:52

gave out a golden a sil silver medal

17:55

that year, which means

17:57

how many teams were there too.

18:03

All the other teams got dissolved and there

18:05

were two teams left, so you had a chance,

18:07

I guess, of either coming in silver or

18:09

gold and a hundred percent chance of medaling that

18:12

year. Yeah, that's not bad at all. Uh. In

18:14

nine eight the there

18:16

was a police team, the Liverpool Police

18:19

at the Olympics. Again you could field club

18:21

teams and that's what they did in England. They

18:24

had these big boots because, as we'll see later,

18:26

one of the biggest keys is the

18:29

physics of feet on the floor and

18:32

having big heavy shoes. If

18:34

you're uh, if you're doing this on an

18:36

outdoor like on the grass, you can

18:38

dig in with some big heavy boots. And apparently

18:40

the US team filed the protest because

18:43

they wore these big, giant doc

18:45

Martins or something like that. I guess right.

18:49

So um that year actually the Liverpool

18:51

Police team medal, got

18:53

a silver medal, and the

18:55

the Brits actually swept the

18:58

podium. The City of London Police got

19:00

gold, Liverpool Police got silver and

19:02

the Metropolitan Police K Division

19:04

got bronze. Here just like all

19:07

these cops battling, all these bobbies battling it

19:09

out. It is and but the reason why

19:11

is apparently it was a big deal in Britain. It was a big

19:13

deal in um Ireland as well. UM

19:15

and your local police force probably had

19:18

a tug of war team because tug of war was part

19:20

of their training. And from what I saw,

19:22

that actually originated from the British

19:24

Navy UM using Tug

19:26

of Wars training to kind of you know,

19:28

hoist sales and all that stuff. You've got

19:30

to basically do that in real life, so

19:32

they would use tug of war and then the cops kind of picked

19:35

it up as police forces came into existence

19:37

in the UK. And then because

19:40

with the Olympics there weren't national teams,

19:42

you could have club teams. That's how you could have

19:44

three different police force

19:47

tug of war teams sweeping the podium

19:49

for Great Britain in in the nineteen

19:51

o eight Olympics and

19:54

it it uh, I mean they still,

19:56

I think still use it in the American military

19:59

because not only is it a good workout, but it's a morale

20:02

builder. You get these divisions

20:04

or platoons against one another, and

20:07

uh, you know, it's a good it's a good group sport,

20:10

especially in the military, like sort of just a

20:12

brute strength thing to try and rally

20:15

your battalion. And keeps saying all these different

20:17

words because I don't know what they call each other, platoons,

20:20

battalions, groups, uh,

20:23

teams, um,

20:25

book clubs, book clubs against one another.

20:28

Uh. Nineteen twenty was the last

20:30

time it was at the Olympics because they

20:32

looked around in nineteen twenty and said, we have way

20:34

too many events and what gets

20:37

cut. Of course, Tug of War was one of those.

20:40

And you know there is I

20:42

don't know about a ground swell, but uh,

20:45

certainly after Squid Game there were a few people wondering

20:47

if it should come back in the Olympics, and I

20:49

doubt it ever will, but you never know. There

20:52

were some things that happened though. Apparently

20:54

back in the Tug

20:56

of War International Federation who

20:58

we'll talk a little bit more about later. Um,

21:01

it was recognized by the International

21:03

Olympic Committee. Um that's

21:06

something. Yeah, which that's a

21:08

huge first step to ending up with

21:10

your sport in the Olympics. But then just

21:12

two years later or three years later,

21:15

Um, the IOC told the media,

21:17

like, you know, the t w i F is

21:19

going to really have to get a lot better

21:22

funding and a lot more international

21:24

participation before it's going to end up in the Olympics.

21:26

Has a long way to go, if ever, it will

21:28

show up again. Yeah, And you

21:30

know, I hate to say it. Ed

21:32

points it out. It's kind of true though it's

21:35

not the most exciting thing to watch when you watch

21:37

competition tug of war. Even

21:40

watching that Superstars clip from

21:42

earlier in my childhood, it

21:44

was an hour and fifteen minutes long of these

21:46

guys basically lying there

21:48

in the sand, uh,

21:51

with an equal tautness on

21:53

both sides of the rope, like nothing was

21:55

happening. They're exhausted that like

21:57

I said, they're taking their hands off to like massad

22:00

their hands and and try and regain

22:02

some bit of a grip. But it ended in a

22:04

draw. No one even one. It was really I

22:07

know it's there's not even a great ending to the

22:09

story, like with Luferrigno and he beat

22:11

Billy Crystal. Um

22:14

Billy Crystal, well they were on teams,

22:16

but Billy Crystal was on one side. Lufrigno was

22:18

on the other. Battle the Network

22:20

Stars, I guess it was soap okay

22:23

at the time, was most of the show Billy Crystal represented.

22:26

But um, at least you know, Luferrigno

22:28

and and Daisy Duke and his team one

22:32

but no one even one in the in the sand

22:34

that day, they just dig in lay there

22:37

and eventually they said, we got to stop this

22:39

madness, so let's set a time limit, like as

22:41

they were going, they set the time limit when

22:44

it was clear nothing was going on. It was terrible television.

22:47

And so they said it in an hour and fifteen and

22:49

it stopped and nobody won. And that was kind

22:51

of it. And sometimes that's how it goes.

22:53

Howard Coastell just comes on and goes, I'm sorry,

22:56

folks on Oh no, it was it Coastel.

22:58

He did the Battle of the Battle Network starts.

23:01

Lufi Now that

23:04

was Katherine Hepburn.

23:09

Now that was so

23:13

um. We should probably talk a little bit about

23:15

the t W I f we we Um

23:17

revealed that there is an International Federation

23:19

of Tug of War UM. And they actually

23:22

came about from what I saw, Chuck Um,

23:24

because after the Olympics, people

23:27

said after the MS I don't

23:29

know if yeah, you did say that. They finally said

23:31

we're cutting these are their tug of

23:33

war is not making the cut. That that

23:35

didn't diminish interest in tug of war

23:37

and a lot of the countries where it was already

23:39

popular. So UM

23:41

they actually started assembling national teams

23:44

and some some national teams have been assembled

23:46

for the Olympics already anyway, but they had no way

23:49

to compete against one another. They

23:51

can only compete within their countries. And

23:53

so the the guy named

23:55

UM, George Hutton got

23:57

together with the Swedes and said, hey, let's

24:00

form the Tug of War

24:02

International Federation back in nineteen

24:04

sixty and the rest is history.

24:06

Known to half a dozen people.

24:13

George E. F. Hutton. Maybe

24:16

I was thinking George Timothy Hutton because

24:19

when he talks, people listen,

24:22

Oh is that who that was? Yeah? I remember

24:24

that commercial, sure, I remember, but I could

24:26

never remember what brokerage it was. Yeah,

24:29

I mean this is the show is just overflying with eighties

24:31

references now all of a sudden, Yeah, do you

24:33

remember the Saturna Night Live spoof of that?

24:36

No? Oh? I think it was Robert

24:38

Smigel and they

24:40

did. They just nailed the commercial. It looked exactly

24:43

like it. But he would just start saying

24:45

all these like bizarre things with

24:47

like the the

24:50

the full attention of the rooms of

24:52

these people just enwrapped. I can't remember what he

24:54

would say, but it's definitely worth looking up. I'm

24:56

sure did a documentary

24:59

on Smigel. They did one on

25:02

The Dana Carvey Show. Have you seen that? No?

25:04

Oh? It was on Hulu and they said like too

25:07

Funny to Live is the name of it or something

25:09

like that, and it was about this

25:11

this show like Dana Carvey just basically gave

25:13

Robert Smigel like carte Blanc to

25:16

make You're just the funniest show of all time.

25:18

No, I know what you're talking about. I actually saw

25:20

that you saw the show. No.

25:23

I saw the documentary about the Kana Carvey Show,

25:25

and I thought you met on the Dana Carvey Show. They

25:27

did a segment or something. I got. Oh. No, but

25:29

I'm saying, like that's probably the closest you can

25:31

come to a Smigle documentary right now.

25:33

Unfortunately, you're right, and that's a good doctor think

25:35

it was. It was, but if

25:38

you're talking international tug

25:40

of war competition, um,

25:42

it is not just uh you

25:44

know, on on I hate to bring it up again, but on

25:46

on the Superstars, uh

25:49

as we'll see. Wait is a really obviously

25:52

huge key factor and

25:54

whether or not you went a tug of war. So, like

25:57

boxing and like wrastling, you

25:59

have to match weights. So they

26:01

actually had I think the baseball

26:04

team had one extra dude, even than

26:06

the football side. This was not official

26:08

in any capacity from what you're just going. Well,

26:11

they had to match weight, you know, that was what it was all

26:13

about. Okay, you know what I mean.

26:16

So the baseball players were lighter than the football

26:18

team, so they had one extra person. But an

26:20

international competition, there

26:23

are eight people on a team.

26:26

I don't even know if there's a way in for

26:28

for these is yes, most

26:30

decidedly, it's extremely important. Well

26:33

then, I mean, what do they

26:35

say, like you just have to match

26:37

weight with the other team and like playing

26:39

your team accordingly, Yes, and

26:42

I don't think it's down to like the pound

26:44

or maybe even the kilogram necessarily,

26:46

but it's got to be close enough. There's a class

26:48

and your team has to weigh within this weight

26:50

class. Okay, I got you, I got you.

26:53

See what I'm saying. That makes not pound for pound

26:55

necessarily, but it has to be an

26:57

eight person team and they have to, like

26:59

the bind way of the team has to fall within

27:01

this window for the class. Okay, that makes sense,

27:03

just like boxing and wrestling in fact, right,

27:06

but divided by eight people. Yeah,

27:09

the rope itself is and

27:11

we should note again, like I said, you

27:14

don't tie the rope around the anchor. There are not knots

27:16

in the rope like sometimes elementary

27:18

school versions you have knots to make it easier

27:20

for little kid hands to hold onto

27:23

and stuff like that. Not true

27:25

at all in international competition or

27:27

any real you know, like genuine

27:29

tug of war. You're not gonna have knots in the rope.

27:32

No, and supposedly um most people

27:34

recommend, although despite

27:37

his best efforts could not find verification.

27:39

I couldn't either that the t W

27:42

I F. It's got to be twiff, right,

27:45

That's what I call it. That twiff mandates

27:48

that the rope has to be a

27:50

natural fiber. But if you

27:52

are, if you're doing anything kind

27:54

of pro or organized really

27:57

even any tug of war, you want to use

27:59

an natural fiber rope because they're less

28:02

prone to snapping. They're also less prone

28:04

to stretching, and as

28:06

we'll see, both of those are really

28:08

bad things that can happen, especially if

28:10

you use a synthetic rope. So, um, you're

28:12

not supposed to use most likely a

28:15

synthetic rope. You want to use

28:17

natural fiber, right. Uh. And

28:19

in this case, it's thirty three and

28:21

a half meters long and

28:23

between ten and twelve and a half centimeters

28:26

in circumference, so it's ten

28:28

feet long about four to five inches in circumference.

28:31

Yeah, and the anchor,

28:33

like I said, they don't tie the rope around their waist,

28:35

but they are the only people allowed

28:38

to manipulate the rope in a way other than

28:40

just holding it palms

28:42

up, which is what everyone else has to do. Like

28:44

you can't wrap it around your wrists. That's a

28:46

bad idea, like as we'll

28:48

see later, uh, your

28:51

coding career, Yeah exactly,

28:54

but the anchor will um,

28:56

they will pass the rope over their shoulder

28:59

and then around or back diagonally, then

29:01

under the opposite armpit, and

29:03

then back over the front of

29:05

their body and then back under that armpit.

29:08

So it's sort of like a little figure eight

29:10

that they wrap around their body, but it's never tied

29:12

right uh, And from from what

29:15

I've seen, it looks like it can be released

29:17

pretty easily and quickly too. It's not gonna

29:19

like tear the person into And

29:21

also they're the ones and the that are the

29:23

furthest back, so they would be least

29:25

affected by a catastrophic break

29:27

of the rope right or fall

29:29

into a pit of vipers. One

29:32

thing that I didn't notice or realize

29:34

before that I thought was pretty interesting, but

29:37

it makes total sense, is that if

29:39

you are a poller, so like you said, the anchor

29:41

is the only one who can do anything like wrapping the

29:43

rope around even their hand. Um.

29:47

You you can grip the rope palms

29:49

up and that's it. You can't like move

29:52

hand over hand to like gain

29:54

length on the rope. That's illegal. You

29:56

can't walk up the rope right, It's

29:58

called I think climbing and quote um,

30:00

climbing the rope like you have to basically

30:03

keep your hands in roughly the same area, which

30:05

means that all of the pull on the

30:08

rope, all the movement on the rope is

30:10

created by your leg

30:12

power. Like you're holding onto the rope

30:14

with your with your arms to keep it from

30:17

being to keep yourself from being pulled back,

30:19

but you're also you're mostly using your

30:21

leg power. Like almost all of the strategy

30:23

in the point of tug of war is

30:26

in the legs. Yeah,

30:28

you're literally walking the rope backwards.

30:32

Lou Ferrigno and team they could. It was

30:34

It's like the Wild West. They were pulling that thing

30:36

hand over hand. You can't do that. Until

30:38

Billy Crystal was in that water pool. I

30:41

didn't know you can't do that, But now I understand.

30:43

You can't do that. No, just for TV.

30:47

Yeah, you gotta just dig in and pull pull

30:49

pull. Uh, you have

30:51

a coach. Another name

30:54

for a coach is a driver. And

30:56

the driver it's a big deal. You know, the driver

30:58

walks up and down the line and you

31:01

know there are, like I said, great periods of rests

31:04

where you have to just sort of you

31:06

aren't allowed to lay down though. Again, Uh,

31:08

like on TV, you can't do that. You have

31:10

to keep on your feet. But there are still

31:13

periods of what you would call rest, and

31:15

then the driver will will will mount a challenge,

31:17

you know, a unison unified

31:20

in unison pull pull pull,

31:23

and you know that's it's sort of like being

31:26

the who's

31:28

the person my mom does the dragon boat

31:30

racing the person in the back of the boat

31:32

steers and like, yeah,

31:35

that's yeah, that's what I thought of. Two in the growing

31:38

crew, But I mean

31:40

dragon boat, they actually steered a is the Do

31:42

they do that in the rowing team? No? The

31:44

coxswain doesn't do anything shouting

31:46

to like a little boy varsity

31:49

we're gonna hear it. Probably

31:52

the coxwayn Society,

31:54

that's right. Who

31:56

you've heard of unless you've been living under a rock,

31:58

that's right. Hey, maybe speaking of rock, we

32:01

should crawl under one and take a quick break before

32:05

we talk about some of the supportive gear and footwear,

32:07

which is super exciting stuff.

32:10

Okay, cool, all right, we'll be right back. All

32:37

right, I talked. I promised footwear

32:39

and supportive gear. Yeah. Supportive gear

32:42

you can wear like belts and kneepads

32:44

and stuff like that. Or belt

32:47

huh, like a weightlifting belt. Yeah,

32:49

do you ever have one of those? No, I've

32:51

never been quite that into it. Yeah,

32:55

when you show up to the gym and one of those you're you're sending

32:57

a statement, you definitely are.

32:59

You say, I'm into lifting weights. That's

33:02

right, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not making fun of it, especially

33:05

if you have like your name burned into it

33:09

in some like uh like steer

33:11

horns or something, yeah, like that filigree.

33:16

But the footwear I talked earlier about friction,

33:18

I mean, tug of war is all about feet

33:21

meeting the ground and that friction and

33:23

being able to maintain your

33:25

place and digging in and you

33:28

uh, if you're you know, indoors in a gymnasium,

33:31

you're probably just wearing some kind of good sneaker. But

33:33

outside you're allowed to wear these big boots

33:36

and uh with with big heels.

33:39

And I guess they regulate this for competition

33:42

because you don't want to be like the English police team,

33:44

the Liverpool Police and overdo

33:46

it. But you are allowed to wear certain

33:49

kinds of big boots. You are

33:51

and again it's like you that's

33:53

the reason why you're wearing boots is because that

33:55

is where you're winning or losing the game

33:57

is in your your leg power and

34:00

how much contact you have with the ground,

34:02

and how much of that you can use to propel

34:04

yourself and your team backward, holding

34:06

onto the rope and then thus pulling the other team

34:09

over that center line. That's

34:11

right. Should we talk about a match, Yeah,

34:14

I think we should. I think we've reached the point we've

34:17

laid it out enough, Chuck, that everybody's ready

34:19

for a match for us to describe through

34:22

audio a tug of war match. All

34:24

right, So you got that rope slaying on the ground

34:27

may or may not be a mud pit or water

34:29

in the middle, But for competition,

34:32

that's usually like TV kind of stuff. I don't think they really

34:34

do that in legit competitions, No, they

34:36

don't. It's got to be on turf grass if it's outdoors,

34:39

or either a gym floor or a special pad

34:42

that gives you a little a lot more traction

34:44

on an indoor match, that's right.

34:46

So there's a judge, I guess, like a

34:48

referee. They would say

34:51

take up the rope. Everyone on each

34:53

side would pick up the rope. They would say take

34:55

the strain. And that

34:57

just means you pull it tight and taught, but you're

35:00

not like actually pulling on each other yet and

35:02

then you have that thing you gotta they

35:05

get they center it right in the middle. You've probably

35:07

got like something hanging down or some tape

35:09

in the center of the rope. He's got to line up

35:11

with the center of the of the

35:13

match floor. And then on either

35:15

side, and in true competition, I think

35:17

it's actually marked out four meters

35:20

on either side of center. But

35:22

depending on if you're doing playground

35:24

versions or about all the network stars, that

35:26

number can vary. But this is the official Twiff

35:29

style. Is four meters is

35:31

where you want to pull your opponent.

35:35

Yes, so that that center line

35:37

that's marked on the rope has

35:39

to be pulled over either

35:42

of those other lines on either side.

35:44

The sideline marking is what it's called. So

35:46

if you pull that center line onto

35:49

the over the sideline, it's closest to you,

35:51

you just want and vice versa. That's

35:53

right, I think, Yeah, I think we're

35:56

doing a great job here at Chuck. I think so the

35:58

judge obviously is going to shout ready,

36:01

pull and then that's when you start.

36:04

Yeah, they shoot a shotgun in the air. Uh,

36:08

And then these are actually scored though their

36:10

matches. Each match has two tugs

36:12

or two poles and if you win

36:15

two to nothing, if you win both, you

36:18

get three points. If you each win one,

36:20

you each get one point, and then

36:22

you just progress sort of in a round robin kind

36:25

of way tournament style. Yeah, and then sudden

36:27

death is best two poles out

36:29

of three, I believe, right.

36:31

And if you do dig in superstars

36:34

way, then you're there for an hour and fifteen

36:36

minutes. Uh, and nothing's going

36:38

on. The judge can say call a no

36:40

poll, which I guess is just like a tie. Or

36:43

if one team is just really not doing anything,

36:46

Uh, you can actually be disqualified. Yes,

36:50

I think that would be the no a no poll

36:53

call if you're not doing anything. Or I think both

36:55

teams can get a no poll call if they both wear

36:57

each other out and they both just kind of stop, if

36:59

they both start laying around like the seventy

37:02

eight Royals and whatever football team they're

37:04

playing, that would be a clear no pole

37:06

against both teams. So they is

37:09

qualified. Yeah, well I guess it's I you're

37:11

both kicked out and both lost. You

37:13

all are thrown into the mud pit. That's

37:15

right by the judge. So this

37:18

is this is still going on, like this is UM.

37:20

These rules are still being followed in national

37:23

and international competition. September

37:26

of the

37:28

World Championships will be in the Netherlands.

37:32

UM. And there's yeah, there's plenty of like national

37:34

and UM and local

37:37

polls, tug of war poles

37:39

um that go on every

37:41

Sunday. I believe starting at eleven is

37:43

the official time wherever your local

37:45

time is. If there's a tug of war competition

37:48

and they're doing it at eleven am on Sunday,

37:51

it's probably official. Yeah,

37:53

this smacks of the kind of thing like you know how there's

37:55

well, I know, you know there's kickball teams, recreational

37:58

kickball leagues because you and Arey

38:00

famously played on a kickball team together many

38:02

years ago. It seems like a hundred

38:04

years ago, doesn't it a thousand? Maybe?

38:07

Uh, there's dart teams, there's Bocci leagues,

38:09

softball, a bunch of their local tug

38:12

of war leagues. Surely there's

38:14

just no way, especially after squids games.

38:18

Yeah, you just get drunk on

38:20

on liquor and pull each other

38:22

into the mud, that's right. But

38:24

officially, I think there's seven seventy

38:27

three countries that are members of the

38:29

twit of TWI how many

38:31

seventy three by my account according

38:34

to the rules that were published in high

38:36

your account one to

38:40

right. And then I keep getting messed up around

38:42

seventeen or eighteen. And here's

38:45

what you do. You copy paste that into the word

38:47

die. That's good, just hit number. Yeah,

38:49

that's a great idea. But then it does the thing where

38:51

it goes one, A and B and you're like, what are you even

38:54

doing? Word formatting?

38:57

And I want it formatted like that? Right?

39:02

That program hate

39:04

word. Yeah, there's a big

39:07

word anti word backlash.

39:10

I suspect this really

39:12

an anti Microsoft backlash.

39:14

I think so. Right, alright,

39:18

so we're talking about how to be good at

39:20

tug of War. I think, sure,

39:22

you've got to be strong and have big shoes, which

39:25

I'm I realized just now as I'm

39:27

looking through my notes, I'm missing that page.

39:30

But it also doesn't matter because

39:34

you basically said what you have to do, UM,

39:37

that that you need to wear like really

39:39

good shoes that are heavy. You need to

39:41

have explosively powerful legs.

39:44

You need to have arm strength, which is something

39:46

that I hope, um, which is something

39:48

I think we is worth pointing out. If you

39:50

are actually good at Tug of War, and you compete

39:52

in in Tug of War competitions and you

39:55

are doing stuff like like

39:57

like world competitions through twift you

40:00

are an extraordinarily

40:02

all around fit person

40:04

and very strong person because

40:07

playing Tug of War in any kind of competitive

40:10

level requires a lot of different

40:12

muscle groups, and all of those muscle

40:14

groups have to be really, really strong.

40:16

That's right. I guess we could talk a little bit

40:18

about squid Game here. If

40:21

you have not seen it and you want to, or you don't want

40:23

something spoiled, just don't listen for the

40:25

next couple of minutes. But there's a great,

40:27

great pivotal scene in that great show

40:29

where Um and the concept

40:31

of the show is that they're these people

40:34

that have been gathered together who

40:36

are all very desperate, usually because of money

40:38

and financial woes, who

40:40

are pitted against one another in these childhood

40:43

games Um to the death and

40:45

the winner gets a lot of money

40:48

here at the end, and Tug of War is

40:50

one of them. And this is a tug of war though that

40:52

is stage many many floors up

40:55

and you fall to your death and

40:57

the and you lose like

41:00

forever as in your your life

41:02

has gone that the ultimate

41:04

loss. So in squid

41:06

game, the weaker team

41:08

pulls out a victory against a stronger team because

41:10

of a very brilliant strategy

41:13

employed by the elder statesman of the weak

41:15

team, wherein they all

41:17

start out uh with their

41:19

feet um parallel to

41:22

one another dug in and

41:24

they all the first thing they do is lean all

41:26

the way back and look up at the sky and

41:28

just set there and don't move. And

41:31

then their strategy, I believe was too at

41:33

a certain point when one person says so,

41:36

is to release the ropes on to

41:38

get the other team off balance and

41:41

then grab it again and start this

41:43

hoo hoo hoo, all

41:45

pulling in these big unified

41:48

tugs. And they won. They

41:51

did when yeah, they this other stronger,

41:53

heavier, more fit team

41:56

um fell to their death because

41:59

you left out that you're you're connected to that

42:01

rope. So when when

42:03

one guy goes down there there, they take

42:05

the rope with them and thus comes the rest

42:07

of the team too. It's pretty

42:09

pretty brutal, um. But there was

42:12

a study that you found Us

42:15

magazine of all places, um

42:18

that that some some people basically

42:20

experimented with it. They got a group of like

42:23

smaller, weaker people compared

42:25

to the other team and and

42:28

use that strategy and how did it pan

42:30

out? Well, it didn't pan out like the

42:32

TV show. Obviously the TV show

42:34

was dramatized for great

42:36

effect. But I did

42:39

read and another article about that same

42:41

quote unquote study that um,

42:44

in theory it could work and this

42:46

wasn't the best test of it, uh,

42:49

and that there was something to that initial

42:52

a stance and dig in at

42:55

least. Okay, So I

42:57

think we finally reached like far and away

42:59

that the absolute the most interesting part

43:01

of Tug of war. Yeah,

43:05

that you can suffer serious

43:07

injury and potentially even death from

43:09

playing Tug of war if you don't know what you're doing

43:11

and you don't do it right. Because people have

43:13

before. Yeah, I mean there

43:15

have been amputations.

43:18

Obviously, some really awful accidents with kids

43:20

when they would wrap their hands

43:22

around you know, the rope around their wrists and stuff

43:24

like that, little little digits

43:27

that were had to be amputated. Um.

43:29

A lot of the injuries come from the rope snap

43:31

that we talked about. Using a nylon rope,

43:33

it'll pull like a rubber band and then snap,

43:36

and that can has killed people. Yeah,

43:38

because teams of people, and the more

43:40

people you add to a team, the more dangerous the

43:42

game becomes for a couple of reasons. One is

43:45

the likelihood of snapping a

43:47

rope is increases. And

43:49

then also when that rope snaps, all those people

43:51

fall back where all of a sudden, and so people

43:54

can get crushed and trampled, and

43:56

that happens as well. But when you're

43:58

when you have two teams of people, even like

44:01

little kids, as long as there's enough little kids,

44:04

they're exerting tons

44:06

and tons of force on that rope that's

44:08

being stored in the rope. And

44:10

as I was saying earlier, with synthetic

44:12

ropes, they stretch more, which means

44:14

that more tension is

44:17

being stored, more energy is being stored

44:19

in that rope, so that when it does finally

44:21

snap, more energy is suddenly released.

44:24

And when it when it's released, chuck. When

44:26

that rope snaps backward,

44:29

it snaps back where it was so much force depending

44:31

on how much force is stored in it, that it is

44:34

torn people's arms off like they

44:36

didn't let go fast enough and

44:38

their arms still holding onto the rope

44:41

flew away from them.

44:43

That's like something out of squid game. But it's real.

44:46

Yeah, that happened, and I think Taiwan

44:48

in the in the nineties. I believe

44:51

in Taipei happened to not one

44:54

but two people who were um playing

44:56

tug of war. They were the first people closest

44:59

to the opposing side on

45:01

either side. That's who had their their arms

45:03

torn off. Yeah. And here's the word of advice.

45:06

If you ever see an ad that says, hey,

45:08

come down and be a part of this Guinness World Record

45:11

tug of war, don't do it. No,

45:13

that's a bad idea. Accidents happen

45:16

there as well. And

45:18

like you said, also when if you loop, like

45:20

do not ever even even like fun

45:22

recreation um tug

45:24

of war, don't don't loop

45:27

the rope around your hand because you're

45:29

like the force that's being exerted

45:32

on the rope finds its way into that loop

45:34

which wants to close, and it's closing around your fingers.

45:36

And like like you said, not only

45:38

have people had their fingers amputated later

45:41

because they got so torn off, the rope itself

45:43

can amputate your fingers, like

45:46

like you can just lose some fingers messing

45:48

around at a local tug of war competition.

45:51

That's for charity. It happened,

45:53

has happened before too, so be safe everyone.

45:56

I got one more thing on squid Games, so again,

45:59

big spoiler. Come, Okay, don't

46:01

listen. I'll give you a few seconds. Okay.

46:04

The thing I didn't think about, you saw it through the

46:06

end of the show. Yeah.

46:09

The thing I didn't think about until today

46:12

was that that Tug of War game had to be rigged because

46:14

the old man was the organizer

46:16

of the whole thing, so he wasn't gonna fall to his death,

46:19

so that it was rigged. The Tugg of War had to be rigged.

46:22

Yeah, but I'm not sure how. And and you

46:24

might have found like a plot hole more

46:27

than anything. Well, I read online

46:29

and some people say that like it

46:31

was a genuine win. But there were

46:33

the people up there watching, like the guards

46:37

were like ready to step in in case

46:39

it looked like that he was gonna get pulled in or

46:41

something. I got you, So it

46:43

was, uh, they could have cut

46:45

the rope or something to prevent that from happening, but

46:47

then the jig would have been up.

46:51

Yeah, or they could have think maybe they had a

46:53

plan to make it seem like, you

46:55

know, there was something that some however,

46:58

but those guards, man, how well done? Was there

47:00

uniform just to make them just creepy? Anonymous?

47:02

Yeah it was. It was awesome. I really love

47:04

the show. I can't wait for what's coming in season

47:07

two? Me whoa,

47:09

Is there gonna be a season two? Yeah? I mean it ends

47:11

with dude coming back as a genuine

47:14

tough dude, like going back. Remember

47:16

he could have left and he went back. Yes,

47:19

but I didn't know that there was definitely going to

47:21

be a season two. Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna go back

47:23

there like like uh

47:27

Jack Black and Kung Fu Panda Terminator

47:30

two. Yeah, they're okay, there

47:32

you go. I think that's a more apt and let her

47:34

name Linda Hamilton's Yeah, okay,

47:36

I thought I got it wrong. No, you got it right,

47:38

man, just like you got a tug of war?

47:41

Right? But did we did?

47:43

We? Did? We? Did? You

47:45

got anything else? No? No

47:48

tic tac to. I promise we're done with

47:50

this two part series. All right?

47:52

Uh? Well, since Chuck said we're done, that

47:55

means we're done, and that means, of course, everybody, it's

47:57

time for listener mail. Unless

48:01

we do thumb wrestling. If

48:03

there's something to it, sure, maybe

48:06

a shorty. I'm always down with with

48:08

interesting stuff like that as long as there's something

48:10

to it, you know. All Right, I'm gonna call this eagle versus

48:13

Hawk and another chance to poke fun at Jerry a

48:15

little bit. This

48:17

this goes down in history alongside the

48:19

Billhelms scream. Oh, I don't

48:21

forget same old lang sign. Oh

48:25

that's right. So yeah, our beloved

48:27

sister and producer Jerry,

48:29

who we like to tease. Occasionally we will call for

48:31

a special effect here and there, and she

48:34

sometimes she has in that for getting them wrong. And

48:37

that's the case with eagle versus Hawk. Hey, guys, just

48:39

listen to the Cookies episode and heard the eagle

48:41

cry quote unquote denoting

48:44

the golden age of cookies. I want to let

48:46

you know that bird cry use was probably a

48:48

red tailed hawk. Hollywood prefers the

48:50

red tailed hawk cry to the actual eagle cry

48:52

because it sounds much more majestic.

48:54

The first time I ever heard an eagle make a noise, I thought for sure

48:56

it was a giant mutant chicken. Uh,

48:59

much more of an aggressive cluck.

49:01

Definitely understand why Hollywood makes his choice, but I

49:04

remember being gooped

49:06

by this fact. I never heard that use that way,

49:09

so I wanted to share it with you all. Thanks and heavy,

49:11

happy, have a happy New Year. In

49:13

my defense, I knew that was a hawk, but

49:16

the eagles sound was so pitiful

49:18

I didn't use it. Hey,

49:21

there's Jerry. Guys. She actually stepped

49:23

in to defend herself. There she is,

49:26

Chuck. I feel like an error has just ended.

49:29

Well, she's been on before, but that was the most blatant

49:31

Jerry. It was yet pretty blatant, but I think

49:34

that was a good one. Jerry's way to step in. Uh

49:36

ps, is your board game sold out? I

49:39

was sad to not see it under the Christmas tree this year.

49:42

Cordially your resident Burdenard Katie Rose

49:44

Souder Katie. The board

49:47

game did sell out in some and

49:49

a lot of online retailers, but it's verywhere

49:51

be back soon, right, I actually, Chuck,

49:54

I think that there. I don't

49:56

know if they're sold out or not. That they were sold

49:58

out everywhere in the world except

50:01

for Indigo, which is Canada's largest

50:03

bookstore. They had some as of the

50:05

beginning of the holiday season earlier,

50:07

but they may be out. But from

50:10

what are our friends at Hasbro tell

50:12

us they should be back in stock at

50:14

the end of this month, end of January. That's

50:17

right. But anyway, thank you Katie Rose Sounder

50:19

for that email. Yes, thank you

50:21

Katie Rose. Uh. And if

50:23

you want to be like Katie Rose and uh

50:26

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50:28

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50:31

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