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Kevin: Hello. Welcome back to Subspace Radio, and it's wedding day in subspace.

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Rob: Happy wedding day. It's a joyous day.

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The bells can be heard a-ringing around the subspace.

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Kevin: Hi Rob, how's it going? Rob: I am well, Kevin.

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Um, what a momentous episode to just sneak in four episodes in to

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an animated version of a franchise.

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Not only do we get another wedding, but it is on a planet we

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have never, ever visited before.

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Kevin: We are of course talking about Lower Decks season four episode four,

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Something Borrowed, something Green, in which D'Vana Tendi is called back to Orion

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in order to attend her sister's nuptials and, Something Borrowed, Something Green,

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it was pretty clear this was going to be a wedding to do with Orions, and I

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thought, Oh, no, is it gonna be Tendi's secret, betrothal to someone on her home

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planet, just like Spock in Amok Time?

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Oh yeah. We've been engaged since children and I, I thought for sure this was gonna

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be, does Tendi get married or not?

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But it was not, it was her sister. Rob: Yeah, that was focusing more on Tendi dealing with her connection

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with her Orion heritage and with her connection with her family.

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And how, her desire to go to Starfleet goes against everything

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that she's been brought up to be. And it's gives us a bit more of an insight into this character who is...

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a joy and a wonderful presence within the show, but we've always been

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alluded to this mysterious past of hers, but to finally just have it

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laid out before us, is was a delight.

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Kevin: I'm happy we went back there as well because we had that previous

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episode where they went to the Orion Colony and all of the Orions

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there were like deferring to her and calling her by that honorific.

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And Mariner was intensely curious, but we didn't get to learn the details, and

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I'm glad now we came back and got to learn the details, because I was worried

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they were going to leave it mysterious. So yeah, this was very satisfying, I think, to get answers to many of

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our questions about D'Vana Tendi. Rob: Yeah, there was a little bit of repeating for me.

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It was, like, a couple of seasons ago with where we found out Billups's past and he's

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like this high ranking royal member of his

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Kevin: Yeah, Mariner even called it out. Do you live in a castle like Billups?

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Rob: Calling it out doesn't really make up the fact you're, yeah, doesn't really fix

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the fact you're repeating the same thing. A lot of different types of things, like Billups is royalty, whereas Tendi is

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more like a high ranking member of the, a wealthy member of the Orion Syndicate.

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But there was definitely the repeated thing of...

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For me, in many ways, it's just a case of, oh, okay, just a lowly

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member of the crew is, actually has, comes from this higher stock.

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But yeah, it, and again, but explains a lot about Tendi's striving to be

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humble and down to earth and focus on the, the high principles of Starfleet.

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Kevin: Lots of connections to past like Orion stuff that has

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appeared in passing in Star Trek. I saw references to Enterprise episodes, Borderland and Bound.

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I saw some visual references to the animated series, The Pirates of Orion,

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where they were all wearing scuba suits.

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Rob: Yes. Kevin: They paid off some bits of that and uh, even some uh, passing references

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to The Cage or The Menagerie, where Pike was bamboozled by Vina in Orion form.

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Rob: In Orion belly dancing outfits.

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Kevin: right. Several of the visual features of the "hump dungeon" in this episode were taken

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directly from that scene in The Cage.

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Rob: There was a particularly good moment when they focus on like the certain

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females within the Orion Syndicate can release pheromones to bewitch the males.

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And when they're cleared up by Tendi, three of them just go, Oh

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man, we're in another hump dungeon. Kevin: Not again.

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I got a lot of laughs out of this episode just the name D'Erika was hilarious to me.

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They and her father's name is B'Rt.

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Just that, playing with that Star Trek thing of your name is

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a letter, an apostrophe, and then something normal was just hilarious.

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And yeah, I love that stuff.

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Mariner getting stabbed repeatedly in the same hole was a great visual gag.

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It made me laugh every time. Rob: I was about to mention that was, that was my highlight of the whole

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episode and they did the rule of three, one, two, how is that even possible?

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And then the third one, oh no, I'm hiding behind here, and lowering down,

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and then the ricochet, and get, oh god.

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Kevin: Oh, come on! Rob: T'Lyn was welcome as well, I think she's really, I mentioned

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this a couple of episodes, three, four episodes down and she's been

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in three and she's just seamlessly embedded herself into the crew.

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Kevin: Yeah she's very much filling that Seven of Nine role of like,

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kind of a late addition, feels like a guest star a bit, but has slotted

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straight into the crew and has a purpose in every episode she appears.

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Rob: Now, my favorite moment of the whole episode though, the stabbing of

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Mariner in the same spot three times is very good, but we have to go to our...

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B plot, where we, I I got to a point where I'm there going, what the hell

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am I watching, where we have Rutherford and Boimler, who have their perfect

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existence living as flatmates is ruined by their dealing with their bonsai tree.

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So they deal with the, they deal with it the only way they know how, going

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into a holosuite and getting obsessed. And they end up both showing up as Mark Twain.

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And both of them doing Mark Twain accents.

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And that solves all their problems. Kevin: It was so funny.

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Rob: It was frigging hilarious.

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Kevin: line had me in stitches. And just the setup of, oh yeah, of course, Mark Twain is a

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recurring character in Star Trek.

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How have we not played with that already?

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Rob: That's right, yeah, he appeared in Next Gen?

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Kevin: Yes, absolutely. Guinan knew Mark Twain personally.

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So when we went back in time...

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in Time's Arrow, we meet younger Guinan on Earth, who is rubbing

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shoulders with Samuel Clemens. And uh, the crew of the Enterprise have to hang out and make quick

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explanations for where they're from. Rob: I do declare um, very, very, very funny, just absolute oddball crazy.

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Kevin: I want to know who knew for sure this was going to work this well?

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Like, when they were writing it, did they already know that those actors could...

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make this level of gold out of it?

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Or did it come alive in the recording booth?

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But, ah, this is a highlight for the season for me,

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this, the, the Twain scenes.

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Rob: And then for that to be brought back in to solve the uh,

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Kevin: Which was ridiculous. I know how to solve this, Captain.

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Let's invite the angry alien to the holodeck and dress him up as Mark Twain.

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Rob: And he goes, you've got to speak in the southern accent. I am from the southern region of my planet.

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This is our southern accent. And then of course he sees the the bonsai tree and eats it, which is

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Kevin: Yes, great. That alien was a Chalnoth, and that is an alien we've seen once in an episode

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of The Next Generation called Allegiance, in which Captain Picard is abducted and

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put in a prison cell with a bunch of aliens and one other Starfleet officer

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who's an Andorian, if memory serves, or Bolean, yeah, I think she's a Bolean.

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But anyway, they are being experimented on.

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We could have talked about this in our in captivity

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Rob: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Kevin: The experiment is, will they work together in order to escape, or

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will this situation tear them apart?

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Chalnoth in the room is the only one who cannot eat the supplied

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food, which is a disc of jelly.

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So it is, it is a recurring theme now that Chalnoths are picky eaters.

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Rob: Yeah. It was great. We had a return of the, it was a very Orion centric episode.

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We had our pre title, cold opener scene.

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We've had the Klingons be destroyed, we've had the Romulans be destroyed,

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and now we sadly had an Orion ship destroyed by this mysterious ship.

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Kevin: Yeah! I didn't particularly love or dislike that that cold open.

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I thought it was another of those and it established, for those who

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might not remember, who the Orions are and what they're like before we

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go and visit them on their planet. So it filled a uh, purpose, but I didn't think it was.

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especially strong. Rob: The writers didn't have as much fun as they had with the Romulans.

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I think they've had the most fun with that scene.

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Kevin: Right. Yeah. The mentions of the more senior Orion getting metal plates stuck to her

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head, that's a reference to Enterprise.

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Some of the Orion pirates in Enterprise had pieces of metal stuck to their

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skin and it was part of the costume. And so yeah, they're calling back to that.

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And the pirate ship that they're on has grabby arms hanging at the bottom.

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And that's a visual reference to the animated series

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appearance of the Orion Pirates.

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But yeah a serviceable cold open, but yeah, not as good as the Romulan one

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that I'm still chuckling about from Rob: That is, yeah, that has been the highlight of all

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those, those little scenes. But yeah, we're four episodes down and it's been quite solid this season

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and the, there's, they're really still keeping it very Star Trek and honouring

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all that stuff, but they're throwing in some amazing curveballs that I

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never thought I would see before and using a holodeck with not only two

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Mark Twains, but four Mark Twains.

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Kevin: I also enjoyed the end, the wedding ceremony, the gender reversal

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of having the groom walk down the aisle with the father and and

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have Mariner go, he looks radiant.

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That was fun Rob: There've been little hints of that.

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Kevin: Yeah, there have been, yeah they're a matriarchal society.

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That is very well established now. And seeing that play into the wedding ceremony was nice.

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I was a little worried about that at first when it was.

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Established that bridal abductions were a thing, and I'm like, oh wow, so

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leaning into the damsel in distress trope does not feel very matriarchal to me,

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but they brought it around in the end. Rob: Many levels.

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The Orions are many different shades of green.

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Kevin: Ha ha ha! They are literally! When they're standing next to each other, I was like, wow, there's

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a lot of different greens here. Rob: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed that as well, going like, like the tone and

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can we just talk about the drinking game with the spider slug thing?

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Kevin: The murder bug drinking Rob: Murderbug, yeah.

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Kevin: I was enjoying it. I was, I remember laughing through that scene at just how, again,

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what the heck am I watching here?

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That was what I was feeling through that because I was going, does

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this game make any sense at all?

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And I'm not sure it did, but I enjoyed it anyway.

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Rob: You've gotta finish the drink and put it back in its slot so

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the protective shield comes up. Kevin: That's right.

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And, and so ultimately it is a drinking game to the death, but what

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kills you is the bug that you don't protect your hand from in time.

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Rob: And how, yeah, and how was it for you to see this iconic species in the Star

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Trek universe that sort of appeared early on in a little bit, but then disappeared

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and has only been brought back in. Like the Lower Decks crew have really leaned into showing a lot of Orion

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stuff, like we didn't get any, we didn't get any Orions in Deep Space Nine or

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Voyager or Next Gen, I don't think.

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They've definitely, and of course they were brought back in Enterprise.

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Kevin: Yeah, Rob: But yeah, how was that,

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Kevin: I agree with Boimler. It was a treat not to be missed.

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And as they were like taking the shuttle down and we saw the planet laid out below

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and there was some score going on at that point that felt to me like an Orion motif

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coming in and I thought wow it's been a while since I've felt a new race, a new

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civilization come alive in Star Trek and get some real world building around it.

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So yeah, it was a lot of fun. Rob: and for that to happen in an animated, uh, series shows a lot of

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belief in Lower Decks, which is great.

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It's no longer what it started out to be, going, oh, come on, it's the

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hokey animated thing with a bit of, that meta humor, to going, yeah, they

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do that, but they're also, fiercely dedicated to their Star Trek lore.

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Kevin: Yeah. I still need to go back and decipher all of the Orion script.

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There were several like conspicuous signs and the Mariner gave us a bit of a decoder

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key by naming the bar and the sign was written in Orion, but she said the bar

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is slit throats or something like that. And that gives you a whole bunch of letters to go on.

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I think from there we can decode what the pedestal that they're carried

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around on says, and yeah, I can't wait to pull that stuff apart and

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see what laughs are hiding for us. Rob: I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you translate.

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Kevin: But we've got a topic to drill into, and it seemed pretty obvious to

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us that uh, we should be talking about weddings and wedding traditions in Star

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Rob: Most definitely. Most definitely.

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Why not? Let's let's embrace all things matrimonial in the world of the Trek.

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Kevin: I have picked a little itty bitty scene in Next Generation.

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What have you got? Rob: I've got an entire episode from the greatest Star Trek TV show of all time.

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Who would have thought? Kevin: Alright, so we'll start at TNG before we go to DS9.

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Rob: Yes. Kevin: As I was watching this I was thinking, Oh, it would be interesting

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to talk about all the different wedding traditions in different

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alien cultures, or Star Trek.

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But when I started looking, the first one I found was this sweet

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little scene between Data and Worf in Data's Day, which is The Next

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Generation Season 4, Episode 11.

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In this episode, Miles O'Brien and Keiko are getting married.

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So yeah, this has a DS9 link for you, Rob.

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This is when they get married. And of course Data is playing the role of father of the bride.

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And learning a lot, learning a lot about humanity in the process.

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And one of the things he has to do is buy a wedding gift.

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He goes into... this gift shop set that we've never seen before or again in Next Gen, but it's kind

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of a room with replicator pedestals in the middle of it, and Worf's already there

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shopping for a gift, so they trade banter, and what they talk about is how strange,

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or unusual human wedding ceremonies are.

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So this Is a treat of seeing humanity have the, mirror turned

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on itself from the outside. Data asks if he can get any advice for picking a wedding gift

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and Worf says, Oh, of course. I have attended human weddings before.

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And he's, the tone of voice is like this strange thing called human weddings.

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Don't worry, I'll guide you through it. They go through the catalog and they stop on a pair of crystal glasses.

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And Data says this is a traditional wedding gift?

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Worf says, Yes, my adoptive parents often give these… things at family weddings.

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A human custom. And Data asks Worf if he's ever participated as a member

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of the bridal party, and Worf goes, No, oh god, are you crazy?

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He says, It's an honor perhaps, but human bonding rituals often involve a great

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deal of talking and dancing and crying.

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It's so good. I watched this scene twice because there's a lot of moments of them

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like just quite in silence, taking a beat and staring at each other.

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It's quite a funny scene. Um, so I recommend it highly.

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And it was a reminder to me that not to take human wedding

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ceremonies as a normal baseline.

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From the outside, they might be just as weird as anything

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else we might talk about. Rob: Excellent, excellent stuff.

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I of course went to um, I would go as to say one of the most iconic weddings.

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Kevin: Is this you Are Cordially Invited?

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Rob: You, Mr. Kevin Yank, are cordially invited to my bringing up of You Are

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Cordially Invited from Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 6 Episode 7.

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That's right, Season 6. We are firing on all cylinders.

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This is Deep Space Nine at its friggin best.

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Kevin: When we were still happy. When we could still have nice things, Rob.

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Rob: We could still have nice things before, everything went to crap.

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Yep, Season 6, Episode 7 early on at the start of Season 7, they've just

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gained back control of Deep Space Nine.

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Sisko is positively giddy, schoolboy giddy, walking around, going up to Kira,

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going, it's so happy and I'm so nice, it's so good to see you, and she goes, it's

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so good to see you, so much better saying hello to you every morning as opposed

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to Gul Dukat, it's so happy to be here.

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He's positively giddy, it's great seeing Sisko like that.

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And Martok has been given a position of high authority, which he, as

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he says beautifully, I do not like all the excessive paperwork.

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Heh. And so we go down to see Worf and Jadzia hanging out with Alexander, who has

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become a bit of a good luck charm within his ship with the Klingons, because

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any stuff up he does means that they survive, so he's a good luck charm.

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And he's ingrained himself within the The Klingon ships that he's working

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within, which he's been finding hard to do over the last however many years

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he's been alive, poor old Alexander. Kevin: Great, great to see a bit of Alexander, too.

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Not enough of Alexander in the canon. Rob: And he's very good in this episode.

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It's beautiful to see him here. And Jadzia just off the top of her head goes we should get married now.

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This will probably be the last time you'll see Alexander in a long time.

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I know the war's on and stuff like that. I know we had plans but let's do it now.

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He is here. And so they throw together a wedding in less than a week.

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Quark, obviously takes on the role of running it all from his bar.

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And the process begins, but then the drama begins as well.

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Worf wants it done a particular way. Jadzia has to gain her approval, because she is an outsider within the house of

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Martok, from Martok's very austere wife.

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Kevin: Sirella. Rob: Yes. And the process carries on that way.

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We have a great inside look into the the traditions of the Klingon people for

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their processes that we call a buck's night, their process, and there's a great

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moment where they use the holosuites, obviously, so it's Worf, Martok, Sisko,

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O'Brien, Bashir, and Alexander go off to do this, this rite of passage

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to lead on into the, to the wedding. And, as Jake's talking to Quark about it, Quark goes, It's a Klingon bachelor party.

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Use your imagination. But it is the exact opposite of what everyone expects.

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Instead of drinking and partying and beating each other up, it's a

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solemn, beautiful, operatic stages of breaking everything down and putting

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yourself through pain and blood.

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And beautiful singing um, Klingon opera in two part harmony.

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And while Jadzia is doing what Jadzia does, she has dancing islanders with

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flaming poles, and flirting, and all this type of stuff, and tension of whether

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Jadzia is worthy enough, and a lot of things about you're not a Klingon, so

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you'll never be accepted and it's all wrapped up to have an extended wedding

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ceremony with beautiful passages about, love defying the gods and being more

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powerful than the gods themselves.

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It's, yeah, it's a beautiful episode to, sorta like, invert what you

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believe a Klingon wedding would be and there's some wonderful stuff in there.

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And it's Terry Farrell at her absolute best.

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This is like, watching it again, you know that by the end of this season

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she's gone and it's a crying shame because she should have been able

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to stay with the show to the end.

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And she's just, after her initial tension of how she starts in this

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character in season one and two, this is Jadzia firing on all cylinders.

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She in, she has the Curzon elements there.

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She's got the young, vibrant elements. Her, she's got this great scene with Sisko right at the end where they flip

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back and forth where he's talking to her like a young woman in her 20s, but then

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the next sentence he's talking to her like he's like a 60, 70 year old man that

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they've known each other for decades. And they're just flipping back and forth.

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It's masterful writing by Ronald D.

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Moore and it's a great insight into more traditions about Klingons.

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And we've talked about it before, you know, Worf became like the...

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Whenever it was a Worf centric episode, it's let's give it a

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little bit more about the Klingons as opposed to him as a character.

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But, it just shows how beautiful Michael Dorn is with his characterization of

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Worf and just how, deeply poetic and soft and thoughtful he is as a character.

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And how... He's lived on the outside for so long and he takes these traditions

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so seriously because he was never connected to it when he was young.

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And yeah, just beautiful stuff in there.

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Kevin: You can see why he sneered with such disdain at those crystal

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goblets, when he knows what a real wedding tradition looks like.

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Rob: Exactly. Exactly. And there's even a scene at the start where he is drinking blood wine.

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No. Yeah. He has blood wine with his son, and his, uh fiancé, so no prune juice there.

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Kevin: I think uh, there's a, there's a episode or two in Voyager where B'Elanna

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Torres and Tom Paris are planning their wedding, and there's mentions

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of how Klingon is the wedding ceremony going to be and B'Elanna's like, don't

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worry, I'll spare you the pain sticks. And here we get to see in, in, a lot more grand detail exactly

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what she was referring to there. Rob: And look, the painsticks are just like big ear buds, really.

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They, they would not be, they would not be unwelcome on the set of American

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Gladiators or something like that. And it's a great moment at the end where just Miles and and Bashir.

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They're going, do we do it now? And Martok goes, Hold.

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Do we do now? And the final shot is fading to black and you hear them, YAAAAH!

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Whacking poor old Worf. Kevin: Yeah, it's really good.

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Both, both Worf and Jadzia, I think, were high difficulty characters,

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not just for the actor, but for the writers to what it was.

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And yeah, you're right, this is perhaps the culmination of both of those

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difficulty curves of, yes, it was hard to get started, but the rewards

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for getting to the place they were going with both those characters is

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on full display here in this episode.

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Rob: And you can really see that they didn't expect it as writers,

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they didn't expect it as actors, just how the two of them clicked,

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Terry Farrell and Michael Dorn. You just go, this is magic, absolute magic.

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Kevin: It's interesting to me comparing to, we had the we had the engagement

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ceremony earlier this season with Spock in Strange New Worlds, um, where he as a

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human temporarily pretending to be half Vulcan, his, like he runs this gauntlet

23:55

of challenges to prove is he Vulcan enough, and it's quite similar to this

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episode where Dax is has to run this gauntlet of ceremonies to prove that

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she is Klingon enough to marry Worf.

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It's a recurring theme of that purity test before you marry

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someone outside your species. It's an interesting sci fi thing.

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Rob: And all the levels of how physically strong you are, how your endurance is,

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and also your knowledge of the family.

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And when Jadzia starts biting back, going, well actually, this is the true

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facts, oh, but you want me to just keep up the myth, the family myth,

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as opposed to what the reality is? Oh, okay, we'll do that.

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You go, ho ho ho!

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Classic. Kevin: Like it's a pretty obvious allegory to marrying across cultures,

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across races you know, in human society, of are you X enough to join our family?

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Are you Jewish enough? Are you Greek enough?

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Are you, you know, pick your, pick your social group that has its own

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traditions and its own expectations of people who join a family.

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And it's, just as it is in our modern human society, that can be a test for

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a relationship that is taking that step into a permanent form, as it were, and

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getting to explore that in maybe a a safer sci fi way through Star Trek and going,

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Jadzia, can you recite the operatic verses sufficiently to join this Klingon house?

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It's a fun way to explore that stuff. Rob: And the history of my 28th great grandmother or something like that.

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Um, Yeah, it would have been good to have a bit more Trill tradition,

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like what, it's very much Jadzia's, yeah, Jadzia is very much a case of,

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I just want to get married, I don't care about tradition or anything

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like that, let's just get this done. Kevin: Maybe that in itself is meant to say something about Trill society,

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but we do see the Trill in Discovery, and they have some stuff going on.

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Rob: That's one of the few moments that I really liked in Discovery as well,

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the, that episode of the Trill with all the past lives and stuff like that,

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and there's, touched on it a bit within some of the previous episodes of Deep

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Space Nine, what with former lovers or wives or husbands of Jadzia from their

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past lives coming in connection with each other, but yeah, it's very much

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her… celebrations are just generic.

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They have a Pacific Islander crew member who gets leave to come and

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celebrate with flaming torches, which is amazing and incredible, but

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Kevin: It's like you said, I think her culture is whatever's sexy.

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Rob: And he's a very oiled up Islander and he is very sexy.

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And she does the flirt. And he falls asleep on Morn.

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So that's a good night for him. Kevin: Ah it was fun to revisit these weddings with you.

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There are others in Star Trek history, Rob: Yes, we didn't get to explore really the Betazoid wedding, which

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is apparently everyone's nude. Kevin: Yes!

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Yeah, and, yeah, very prominent uh, early memory of TNG there of Majel Barrett

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insisting that everyone needs to be naked and I think when I first saw that

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as a fan, I was not across the fact that she was Gene Roddenberry's wife.

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That, that was not something that I knew.

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And yeah, just in hindsight, it's all strange.

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I made a new TV show. Do you want to get naked in the first season, honey?

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Rob: Look she was bang up for anything in that show and god bless her.

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Kevin: Yeah. It was a fun, fun episode.

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Absolutely. Early, early days of Troi and Lwaxana uh, going head to head

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about, mum you embarrass me because you make everything so awkward.

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Rob: So yes, we we, there's so many wedding traditions

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out there within Star Trek. But we did want to focus on a little bit of Klingon.

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A little bit of human reflection. And a little bit of Orion.

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Not a bad way to explore Star Trek.

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Kevin: Thank you, Lower Decks. I love the journeys you're sending us on.

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Every new episode is a surprise. Rob: It's going from strength to strength, four seasons down.

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Yeah, will they go beyond the the iconic seven seasons?

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We shall see. Kevin: Alright until next week, Rob.

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Rob: Until next week, you know what we're gonna do.

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We're gonna see each other, Kevin: around the galaxy.