Ellie and Andrew discuss sadism and masochism; what they are, how they are practiced, how to enjoy these desires safely, what to look out for in a BDSM partner, and tips to a fun and safe scene. Why do people like watching their partner experience pain? Is it wrong to be a sadist? Is it wrong to be a masochist? These subjects can be difficult to address when google only has articles about how it can be a mental health disorder. We promise you, we approach this very realistically. 

*TRIGGER WARNING* While this episode isn't super explicit, some practices that are violent are mentioned as examples of how far some people can take things and in talk of boundary setting. 

*DISCLAIMER* Neither of us are experts, just normal people living and learning and doing our best, ready and willing to share what we know and our experiences. If you have an issue with anything in this episode, please reach out to Ellie on IG at @elliesugarrae.

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