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it with my great friend Doctor Average

0:53

you go to is the here Abby

0:55

how are you are. I'm

0:57

so good Rob! Thank you search for having

0:59

me here! Birgitta I observed didn't get out

1:01

of the way. Tiffany invented the phrase merge

1:03

Atari Okay, yeah, I said it. Get.

1:06

Us: Okay, yeah, Shoutout the Tiffany. Okay,

1:08

she's you. Go to a patent office

1:10

soon. Yeah, I've been so excited or

1:12

week that you're going to be here

1:15

to talk with me about everything. And

1:17

I think we have a lot to

1:19

figure out here tonight in terms of

1:22

where things are going on a night,

1:24

where it was are all for Mariah.

1:27

Yeah. Except. Where's one the for

1:29

venus say. Yet wonder why Out for

1:31

venus? You know I forgot to look or

1:33

that I I was Charlie Charlie I'm okay.

1:35

One vote. And I and I

1:37

kind of feeling that that was like the Caleb

1:39

protection mode like the Aca she's play in the

1:41

Shah the dark. I don't want to be me.

1:44

You. Gotta do it. You gotta get someone's gotta do

1:46

it is I was getting the you know it was.

1:48

I think it's kind of a fun episode where. The.

1:50

Vote ended up being so straightforward, but it was

1:53

so much interesting stuff that came up leading up

1:55

to it and I think the game is still

1:57

so open. Moving somewhere will will.

2:00

It all down will take your questions.

2:02

Later on on Thursday I will be

2:04

a talking with a mariah and a

2:06

hear what she has to say about

2:09

everything and then I love seems respect

2:11

for the living. That know it All

2:13

efforts you know either Dead know it

2:15

are held at not. That I'd rather

2:18

be a living fool than a

2:20

dead know it all. But we

2:22

will talk about everything with Stephen

2:24

Slightly earlier Time: Oh, one thirty

2:27

p M on Thursday. Okay, little

2:29

bit earlier or than we've been

2:31

doing them normally. Okay Abby, how

2:33

you doing. You

2:36

know, I recently got a big weight

2:38

off my says his if I had

2:40

Zehnder from In Top Surgery recently and

2:42

I'm feeling amazing that that and I've

2:44

been. I've pretty much sitting around with

2:46

nothing to do so it's the perfect

2:49

time. To. Get deep into

2:51

Survivor again and a riddle?

2:53

Taxi or years and amazing it

2:55

instagram post on a Sunday so

2:57

are you know is incredible job

3:00

with that and so ah so

3:02

glad I europe for coming on

3:04

and talking some Survivor with us

3:06

tonight and idea Thanks Yeah yeah

3:08

means a lot of heavy. Are

3:11

you enjoying Survivor? Forty Six? You

3:13

know I'm really. Liking it. You

3:15

have to tell thing I'm as honestly

3:17

been a little bit of a hassle

3:19

in the New Era survivor. Honestly like

3:22

you. Always wanting some place like

3:24

a high energy activity for me and then you

3:26

gonna sell it? It's like it's like yeah it's

3:28

like it's not sell the last it you know

3:30

it's like I'm like doing a thing. I'm like

3:32

watching Survivor that like. Stressful. So

3:34

I kind of like seated in and out of

3:37

the last couple seasons that I've been like in

3:39

and Forty Six and you didn't A lot of

3:41

personality is a lot it like it's not. It's

3:43

little different than some of the other. In

3:46

the little less like the body that's that.

3:48

yes and bomb news lately. ghastly since him.

3:51

Molesting a planeload? Different than that.

3:53

Some of our our classic got.

3:56

Game. Bought new era tax so I'm having fun.

3:58

Yet I feel like. This is

4:00

not a game bot season. No.

4:02

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of work. Yeah.

4:05

And like everyone's like, like even like Q he's

4:07

like very like in some sense,

4:09

like he's strategy, strategy, strategy. But he's like

4:11

making some like interesting choices like the Jolynski

4:14

thing, like he's got his like work ethic

4:16

stuff. Like we got some like very interesting,

4:18

interesting characters here. It seems like, you

4:21

know, Q has a couple of like

4:23

different triggers that if somebody like sets

4:25

it off, like that's it. Jolynski wanted

4:27

to quit the challenge. That's it. Okay.

4:29

Mariah, your favorite player is Aubrey. She's

4:31

got to go. Rob,

4:34

what is the least threatening player to say?

4:36

Like what do you go for? Bono.

4:40

But I was trying to think I was trying

4:43

to remember what people said their favorite supplier player

4:45

was. I feel like I really remember that Xander

4:47

said coach. And I was like, not

4:49

that I was like, I mean, it was not what

4:52

wasn't that threatening. You know, I was like, that's not

4:54

that scary. But then I remember that Abraham said Philip

4:56

and I was like, you know,

4:59

okay, that's your favorite supplier player, you know,

5:01

that was better or worse Philip. That

5:04

was I think that was worse because

5:06

I guess when he said Philip because

5:08

Philip was so authentic. And I

5:10

was like, that doesn't seem

5:12

true. That's not track.

5:15

Yeah. Yeah, it's

5:17

I mean, that that was the duo.

5:19

That was the like supposed South Pacific

5:21

matchup that was going to be coach

5:23

versus Philip. And then Philip didn't want

5:25

to do it. So yeah, that could

5:28

have could have been the two right

5:30

there. Yeah, but the Aubrey

5:32

thing was was so interesting. And I really feel like

5:35

I tonight I want to say justice for

5:37

Mariah, because I really feel like that it

5:40

was an interesting night for me, because I

5:42

really felt like that I thought Venus was

5:44

going home up until Mariah played the shot

5:46

in the dark. And I really felt

5:49

like that out of everything I've

5:51

learned about the mergetory. And I've

5:53

really I've studied this over

5:55

the end, you know, you

5:58

know, I've looked at every single one of these. And

6:00

I really felt like okay Mariah

6:02

did everything right that

6:04

you should do in these in this merge

6:07

story situation I feel like that Venus who

6:09

is incredible to watch I'm so happy she's

6:12

still here But I feel like that Venus

6:14

did most of the things wrong or not

6:16

in the way that you should do them

6:18

Mm-hmm, and I really felt like okay, well

6:20

goodbye Venus and She's

6:23

here and Mariah went home. Yeah.

6:25

Okay. I have some counterpoints like okay So

6:27

I do think that Mariah honestly did not

6:29

like very little wrong But I do have

6:32

a couple like nitpicks But I

6:34

think I think Venus did more right than

6:36

people give her credit for okay like

6:38

okay Venus She's already at the bottom of

6:40

her tribe. That's just like a lost cause

6:42

they have such animosity for her And it's

6:45

honestly amazing TV love Venus so that

6:47

she's here the scene of Venus and soda

6:49

fighting Well hunter was looking for the idol.

6:51

Mm-hmm chef's kiss survivor Okay,

6:54

but Venus did the thing of like actually

6:56

making it in everyone was framing it as

6:58

like It's just like is it sega or

7:00

is it yanoo or no? What's the what's

7:02

the yellow tribes nami? Nami, yeah, is it

7:05

sega is it nami and like that was

7:07

over there away Venus? I

7:09

think I think the most important thing

7:11

Venus did was when she said to

7:13

soda and Tenzi she said to soda

7:15

especially like if cute doesn't like Mariah

7:17

because she's a superfan You're next and

7:20

I think that was like the only time either one

7:22

of them Started actually like making

7:24

them as an individual in other people's self-interest

7:26

and sodas thinking hmm That's right Venus also

7:28

went on to be like I don't want

7:30

to get a girl out I

7:33

want like the women to say let's get Charlie

7:35

I think Kenzie was probably more into that

7:37

then she was like saying we saw Devon

7:39

it was like Devin Q Hunter

7:43

and and Tif are sitting

7:45

there. Well, heaven is like she

7:47

doesn't want to get a woman out like we

7:49

hate that right obvious Yeah, and tips obviously sitting

7:51

there being like well, that's not so bad for

7:53

me. You know, I think Venus

7:55

was like throwing a lot out there, but there

7:57

was actual meat there. Yeah, I was just kind

7:59

of both being too closed off

8:01

and not giving in. Yeah,

8:03

I don't think Mariah was perfect, but

8:05

I feel like so. I kind of

8:07

had this rubric of how I was

8:10

looking at mergatory. And I really felt

8:12

like that tonight's episode was like, okay,

8:14

100% is going to prove that we

8:16

have these established rules. And I really

8:18

felt like coming into the week, okay,

8:20

it's going to be one of these,

8:22

the mergatory boot is

8:24

always the person,

8:27

one of the tribes is going to say, okay,

8:29

this person is expendable. And one

8:32

tribe is ultimately going to throw

8:34

away somebody. It's never been yet

8:36

a big threat who

8:39

was ultimately somebody we got it, not

8:41

like the old days of the merge.

8:43

It's somebody that is not fitting in

8:45

with their original tribe. And then

8:47

the second part of this, in

8:49

all of these mergatories that I've looked

8:52

at before, that the

8:54

person who is not safe, you

8:56

are better off being Hunter, I'm

9:00

sorry, that not just better off, but you

9:02

have more say being Hunter without a vote,

9:04

but safe than Venus with

9:07

a vote who is not safe. You're

9:09

better off, if you're in that

9:12

group of people who has won

9:14

the challenge, that you have a

9:16

lot of sway and anything you

9:18

do, like the Ellie, the

9:21

person who is saying names, who's

9:23

not safe, that it boomerangs

9:25

back. It's like, who are you? You're saying

9:27

names? You're not even safe. What

9:29

are you doing? Well, okay, and this is why,

9:33

is it known, we all agree

9:35

mergatories bad? Like what's the, I'm

9:37

not so much into it here.

9:39

So I liked it, but

9:42

I feel like that the last couple have been, now,

9:45

I mean, we're getting to where the Caleb, it

9:47

was gonna be what, 12 to zero for Caleb,

9:51

and then he hit the shot in the dark, which kind

9:54

of saved that. This was tonight, what, 11 to one? I

9:57

mean, Evie, I Was thinking about this earlier. I

9:59

Mean, I could. You believe it was one

10:01

episode of television In Survivor Forty One. Erica.

10:04

Broke the hourglass and they did. Knowledge is

10:06

Power in one episode of television. The threat

10:08

was you member I mean the merged with

10:11

to at this job your jobs going more

10:13

than one middle somewhere that we will you

10:15

talk about as young, as bad as this

10:17

is the most. Have little as

10:19

five or forty one player. It's like

10:22

if you're gonna do the murders or

10:24

maybe you have to the hourglass I

10:26

don't know. Realistically the thing I was

10:28

born here this episode is that was

10:31

not method of the ones that the

10:33

the fly. So. Many people were. Too

10:35

comfortable for too much of the episode, you

10:37

know, just. Slowly. People there who like

10:39

yeah they when the times that eat the

10:41

sea sick so until and sell and then

10:44

they're both and they just like hell out

10:46

of power and i think with of the

10:48

a little unfortunate for the episode drama that

10:50

like all the powerful people are many of

10:52

the powerful people were safe and they're like

10:54

oh whatever you know. In the

10:56

Murder in the Our that which was

10:58

horrible and totally destroyed my game. Everybody

11:01

with freedom fries least some of

11:03

the day is a three tell

11:05

ya Natalie University emerge a tory

11:07

before else was so are there

11:09

was some. There were some novelty

11:11

to it in terms of like

11:13

the how did the players, the

11:15

players scrambling but the what. They

11:17

all know what's coming now and

11:19

you know I think that this

11:21

plus one or the Journey Six

11:23

Alliance is interesting but you know.

11:26

This. Is probably like the most

11:28

big brother. read round. the survivor

11:30

am all that you heard that

11:33

sounds all the people in the

11:35

brain made in a lie and

11:37

then also were completely safe. And.

11:40

It was like a big brother. Twenty two were

11:42

was like then all the people that were at

11:45

the bottom were like scrambling and try to say

11:47

like hey like you go for the people in

11:49

power new I know. That in my

11:51

day you did the chances of with

11:53

the sciences and then he won the

11:55

talent but then you as scanning they

11:57

would lose and then now there isn't.

12:00

You all would like that tonight if they made

12:02

the strong people win the challenge and then made

12:05

them like, you won and now you lost. Yeah,

12:07

I would have loved to see that group. But

12:09

also just in general, I just don't, it is

12:11

the thing I'd like least about New Irish Divider

12:13

of how these like, Earl Eve, and it seems

12:16

like, I don't know if the next episode is

12:18

going to be a split tribal, probably a split,

12:20

and they said two people are going home. They

12:22

said two people are going home on the preview. It's fun to have

12:24

the chaos of a 13 person vote.

12:26

Like let us have a big vote. I want

12:28

to see how that shakes out. Okay, wait, back to

12:30

the, or I don't know, you're in charge of the

12:32

podcast. No, you are. You are. This

12:35

is your night tonight, Navi. All right, back

12:37

to the merge challenge split. Okay, you

12:39

want to know, okay, obviously

12:41

Tiffany made the great choice to go with

12:44

the strong people. Okay, but I

12:46

don't know if this is, again, I'm a little, I'm a casual

12:48

in the new era right now. So I don't know

12:50

if this is an old take. I think Tiffany

12:52

in that spot has to go where the other

12:54

purple people are, no matter what, even if

12:56

that was the losing tribe, right? I

13:00

didn't think about that, but yeah, I mean, I feel like

13:02

that's typically what has happened. That's my,

13:04

I feel like future players out there

13:06

listening to this. I think even if she had

13:08

that had been the weaklings tribe, she's better off

13:10

sticking with them. Like, obviously I'm

13:12

projecting everything from my season onto this. I

13:15

was alone as the only Yassa with, it was

13:17

like me, Ricard, and then three Lubus. Ricard won

13:19

the immunity. I was the only one for my

13:21

tribe. So it's just like the easy thing. If

13:23

it's going to be a Yassa, it's going to

13:25

be me. If Ricard had won the challenge, it

13:28

would have been either every year Ricard, because it's

13:30

just like the loner. You got to stick

13:32

with your buddies. So I think even if it

13:34

had been the weaklings, that was the losing move. I also

13:36

feel like that the people that are on the other side

13:38

have more sway. So maybe you do want to divide and

13:40

conquer. Like I know you went through

13:43

the first one and so you have

13:45

not figured out like the rubric of like

13:47

who holds all the power in that scenario.

13:50

But I think it's like in some sense

13:52

they have the power, but they obviously also

13:54

don't. I mean it's still the regular numbers

13:56

of the game. Like, you know, Tiffany and

13:58

Xander didn't have any more. Powered yet? Have

14:00

you know like you failed at the what's up

14:02

with this with this? Johnny Tribe comes in and

14:05

they have the smallest numbers and they have all

14:07

the power. What's up with that? I. Know

14:09

that is the classic. Now I mean I

14:11

think like the galaxy brain on the I

14:13

mean if Malcolm is it is. They prove

14:16

that you know and it's like does anything.

14:18

The thing that the smog like having a

14:20

couldn't have been were perfect for them to

14:23

have a a good three and then five

14:25

vs side like this is inherently are gonna

14:27

have the power but I. Am.

14:29

Nervous about this through because. You

14:33

have gone out there and said it's you

14:35

to other people in the game. My number

14:37

one assists. And. I don't know that.

14:39

I mean. Something. Know that

14:42

answer but unlike I don't I feel

14:44

like the heart that like you think

14:46

test. Isn't. The best spot in the

14:48

auto. Maybe even in the game. Third down who

14:51

has like a great this and she's got her

14:53

to well as if they are you gonna do

14:55

different things? I don't. Lisa agree on a bass

14:57

is idle he said because I. To Lisa Yeah,

14:59

ahead out the that even though my closed

15:02

captioning called it at a leisure. Either.

15:06

Adult he said if the to our money to

15:08

different ways that was i really like you intend

15:10

the might. Scan. Them as humans have to

15:12

figure out. Just. Another.

15:15

I am very happy. For ten the guy,

15:17

but I thought that there was a scenario

15:20

tonight we're Kinsey was of the boot were

15:22

potentially if it was all tens he was

15:24

in the group that was not safe that

15:26

I thought that maybe you might have thrown

15:29

her under the boss has been v expendable

15:31

person from your new five. I feel that

15:33

she was able to get her footing under

15:35

her associate. A really good episode tonight and

15:38

I yeah like that we might get to

15:40

see Kenzie. Get the play in the posts

15:42

merge. Yes was I love I loved has

15:44

the i mean the whole jani side. I really

15:46

dislike These three characters are great to have in

15:48

the ah him and yes I mean I still

15:51

I can see a lot. Of is the main

15:53

characters now. that's right that's right and

15:55

see that says have like the a lot

15:57

of willingness to go out on her own

15:59

and do Like we saw that in

16:01

the pre-merge and I think like I could see

16:03

her like yeah pulling in Venus

16:05

Venus is like it's so Everyone's like

16:08

Venus. It's like Venus is literally begging to

16:10

be picked up Like I could totally see

16:12

Kenzie scooping in a Venus and like getting

16:14

something going. Yeah, I'm worried about Venus though

16:17

And again, she's been great television and so

16:19

I'm so happy that she's there But I

16:21

kind of feel like that in the new

16:23

era and this is something that we've been

16:26

tracking I kind of feel like that this

16:28

this person who is like making these bids

16:30

of hey everybody, let's do this Hey everybody,

16:33

let's do this. Yeah, I feel like you

16:35

get like a shot

16:37

or two at it but if it

16:39

doesn't take I feel like that

16:41

you end up on that sort of like Zero

16:45

vote finalists track and I'm worried

16:47

that's maybe Venus's

16:49

upside right now. Oh,

16:51

yeah, I think I think that's probably what I was

16:54

thinking zero vote finalists Realistically, but hey, it's

16:56

not so bad. You get third place, you

16:58

know, not so bad I think if he

17:00

outlasts all the other namis I think that

17:02

she would be like you see her like

17:04

being like like happy when her tribe mates

17:06

are getting voted out Yeah, exactly,

17:08

you know, but the other thing I mean, I

17:10

think it really depends it's like She's

17:12

she's so ripe for a come

17:15

from behind Underdog story that

17:17

like could if she can find some

17:19

power in this game You

17:22

know be a winning story But

17:24

the like in this current iteration

17:26

with these cards on the board It just doesn't

17:28

seem like there's ever gonna be a mass enough

17:30

of people that should be like the leader But

17:32

I think is she like gonna be the next

17:34

one to go home probably not Depending on

17:37

it'll depend on the split for the for the

17:39

split tropical council let's

17:42

talk about this decision that they

17:44

made of Venus the snake versus

17:46

mo the threat and First

17:49

off who do you think ultimately

17:51

made this call? Yeah,

17:54

that's interesting cuz like so I mean

17:56

I presumably I mean, I

17:59

really didn't like what morale did at the tribal

18:01

with the revealing the bottom thing that was

18:03

I did not like that but I think

18:05

that she must have been so like okay

18:07

this is my like complete Hail Mary. Yeah

18:09

yeah but presumably that didn't have

18:12

an impact on the actual no like her tribe

18:14

was already voting for her. I mean yeah I

18:16

was trying to think of that like who

18:18

who is the like link of like that

18:20

group being like Nessa's time I mean I

18:22

honestly okay I I'm biased because I love

18:25

Charlie he lives in Boston he's a

18:27

sweetie. I feel like he's the

18:29

one of like at the end of the day

18:31

Sika's gonna make a decision together he is the

18:33

one who's at risk from them. We

18:35

saw him in his catastrophe being like end of the day

18:38

if Mo needs to go for me to say that's what

18:40

needs to happen. I could see him being like at the

18:42

end of the day it's the least risky thing for him

18:44

to just pile on Mo we know that'll

18:46

be then what happens safe and sound

18:48

we're good to go. And he obviously about the

18:50

safety of voting for Venus to have that extra

18:53

vote there. So I don't know I

18:55

mean I could see I think he I think

18:57

he is the most influential person on the tribe

18:59

we saw a lot of Tim this episode. Yeah.

19:01

But Tim seemed like pretty into the Mariah situation.

19:03

Yeah I don't know.

19:06

He was into getting rid of Mariah. Oh I

19:08

don't know he was like I feel like at

19:11

first he was pretty he was taking her in

19:13

a lot we saw a lot of him like

19:15

talking to her. So

19:17

I don't know I mean they're also yeah

19:19

I mean wow so much for Maria and

19:22

her women's alliance really just bam bam

19:25

let them go. Well you know

19:27

I don't want to bounce around too

19:30

much but I'm still I'm so confused

19:32

about last week's vote because my my

19:34

working theory was Tim

19:36

went to the journey came

19:39

they made this alliance came home told

19:41

Maria about hey Maria like I made

19:43

this six person alliance and that Maria

19:45

was like okay well I feel good

19:48

about Tim now he said I was

19:50

his number one so I'm gonna cut

19:52

bait on on Jem here

19:54

and play my extra vote. It

19:56

turned out that he did he did not do that

19:58

and I'm even more. confused about last

20:01

week about why what happened

20:03

to make Maria switch where she said

20:05

in the episode the plan was to

20:07

stick with the women yeah and I'm

20:09

sure she has a good reason I just don't

20:12

know what it is yeah I mean

20:14

yeah not to draw on last too much but

20:16

I really think gem was just like playing too

20:18

hard and I think like we

20:20

can't underestimate how disruptive to the

20:22

scramble it was that she was

20:24

out there like measuring machete fulls

20:26

of the distances and stuff like

20:28

I just think that probably contributed

20:30

to an overall sketch factor that

20:32

I think I think was more

20:34

gem related but why the hell

20:36

did Maria can I have one thing I bet

20:39

gem was probably at home cursing tonight

20:42

when she saw that Charlie that Hunter

20:44

had to go find his idol under

20:46

the steps seriously also why did he

20:49

wait so long like like lucky that

20:51

it was so easy did it he

20:53

found it last I don't he found

20:55

it last week and then I have to go

20:57

I'm gonna go back and see like that I

20:59

feel like that what he said the idol who

21:01

said was not what he said it said last

21:04

week but he then once they got to the

21:06

merge then he had to like he would have

21:08

an opportunity to go find the key before the

21:10

boats came yeah yeah the time stretch

21:16

but still well okay I do really like the 45 and

21:18

46 he's like idols I've been

21:21

I think they're so fun I think this is a

21:23

really great you like the multiple step

21:25

I don't I think it's a perfect like

21:27

balance of like beware but it's achievable and then

21:29

there's like kind of a fun scavenger hunt but

21:32

we've got 90 minutes so it's like not that

21:34

big of a deal I'm loving it I'm actually like

21:36

rewatching some of the episodes watching for

21:38

the first time of survivor 45 and I'm

21:40

like holy shit this is great yeah

21:43

okay well love to get your thoughts on that

21:45

too yeah okay so far my

21:47

take drew so interesting I know that's

21:50

not what oh okay yeah um

21:53

so all right but but back

21:55

to Maria yeah so we're it's

21:57

kind of unclear what what she's uh

21:59

what What made her go with what

22:03

Charlie wanted to do when it seemed

22:05

like her initial feeling was, okay, I'm

22:07

going to stick with the women. But

22:09

then coming into this

22:11

episode, then it was so

22:13

confusing about why didn't

22:15

Tim say anything to

22:17

Maria about the

22:20

six-person alliance? Because it seemed

22:23

like that you would tell her, right?

22:25

Yes, Tim is such an interesting character

22:27

out here, like playing so chill, you

22:30

know? And like, I mean, I

22:32

have to say, I always was pretty... I

22:35

feel, again, you project yourself into all

22:37

these decisions. I thought Q was me

22:40

telling, just like being so desperate for

22:42

Duchon to like be my ally because

22:44

I'm at the bottom. I mean, my

22:46

tribe like has the fewest people and

22:49

you know, Lubu is looking so great. And that's like Q

22:51

comes in there and he's like, here's the plan. We'll do

22:53

these alliances. And like, at the end of

22:55

the day, Hunter and Tim have known the people on

22:57

their tribe like so much longer than Q for this

22:59

one second. Like it makes a thousand percent sense

23:03

to me that it's much more real for Q than

23:05

it is for either of those guys. But

23:07

the funny thing about Tim is he is into it.

23:10

He just didn't do anything about it or tell Maria

23:12

about it. And then also I was like, maybe he

23:14

was lying. Maybe Ben is his number one and he

23:16

was just not trying to tell Q that, but it

23:19

seems like no, he does like Maria.

23:21

I mean, he's just a little

23:23

I think a little too laid back for this game,

23:25

but it's kind of working for him right now. Very

23:27

laid back. Although Q was like, but why didn't

23:29

you why wouldn't you say that? Like that makes

23:31

me very suspicious that why would you say something?

23:34

And he almost said to Maria, he

23:36

explained it like, well, I didn't want to force it on

23:38

you. I kind of wanted you to meet them for yourself

23:40

and see if you like them. And

23:42

Maria is like, yeah, this is good. Like

23:45

like we said last week that, you

23:47

know, for for all these

23:50

people, like options is great. You want

23:52

to have this other Alliance in your

23:54

back pocket. Maybe you go with your

23:56

tribal lines and maybe you stick with

23:58

this other other option. And maybe for

24:01

Yannu why it's working the best for

24:03

them is that they don't have a

24:05

plan B. They're kind of all in

24:07

on this plan. Yeah. Well,

24:09

I mean, that's the thing. And I mean, it worked

24:12

out for them so well also because they were all

24:14

safe. Like I do think it probably still would have

24:16

gone that one of the Siga or Nami's

24:18

would go home regardless. But I do think

24:21

like they got lucky here that they were just

24:23

also they're all in the power position. No one's

24:26

exposed. I think like, okay, well, here you like

24:28

you said you like it when I ask you

24:30

questions. Who was going home if that

24:32

other group lost? So I

24:34

think it's Q. Okay. It's

24:40

interesting. I'm trying to think from

24:42

who so it was. What Hunter?

24:45

Having all the all the

24:48

non. I think I

24:50

would think I would say it's probably

24:52

Kenzie. He

24:55

been. You

24:58

think like one because they're more expendable to

25:00

the rest of their tribes. Yeah, I think that's

25:02

basically like that. Like one of the tribes has

25:04

to flinch and blank and say, okay, this we

25:06

don't care that much about this person. I

25:09

think that really I think what what

25:11

hurt Mariah the most was that it

25:13

took too long for the

25:16

combination of Tim and

25:18

Ben mostly and ultimately,

25:20

you know, Maria and

25:22

Charlie to to throw

25:25

out the name. They tried. They

25:27

stuck to their guns too much in that.

25:29

You know, I think if they would have seemed

25:31

more willing and this is kind of like a

25:33

new data point because I don't think we've had

25:35

this before that that I guess it kind of

25:37

came up last season. I don't know if you

25:39

got into survivor 45 yet, but I have a

25:41

little bit of a spoiler. Yeah,

25:44

I just okay. I recently watched the episode

25:46

where Emily is at the swap and

25:48

this was the actually the she

25:50

used of why she decided to go with

25:53

Reba instead of Bella because she was like

25:55

Reba got all these cracks because I guess

25:57

they're talking like seafood and Jane. I

26:00

don't even know that that's true that Reba had more

26:02

cracks than Belo like, you know, I can't

26:04

wait to find out But

26:09

that is I never really thought about that way cuz I

26:11

think you could have I think it was

26:13

kind of to see his Dextimate also that they've tried

26:15

to stay so strong because I think that

26:17

I was watching this my girlfriend She's like who's the

26:19

threat on see go like you're looking at it There's

26:21

no like obvious like it's just a bunch of people

26:23

that you're not like, oh, there's like the one threat

26:25

you're look at Nami and

26:27

you're like heaven is this social like amazing guy

26:30

and like hunters like star and all the challenges

26:32

like it's see get had come And being like

26:35

yeah, we're together. We're like we're the weakling

26:37

nerd tribe again. It's like

26:39

this amazing Nami I feel like that maybe

26:41

had some like yeah, and I know it wasn't

26:43

by design But Venus actually kind of saved Nami

26:45

here in this episode like Venus came in. It

26:47

was like, oh my god these people I'm sick

26:50

of them. I want to vote with you and

26:52

then they're like, oh great. Let's let let's keep

26:54

Nami intact Where see go was the opposite of

26:56

that that they were like, nope, we're a united

26:58

front We're all on the same page and it

27:00

was like we got to break that up. Right,

27:03

right, right Totally totally which like

27:06

yeah, Nami be grateful to Venus

27:08

Okay, be grateful to me and

27:10

I wonder if this is the type

27:12

of thing where for a future season

27:14

Yeah, should a tribe project more weakness

27:17

of like, oh my god, we can't

27:19

stand each other We're so dysfunctional as

27:21

opposed to Siga, which was always the

27:23

vibe. So the vibes are so good.

27:26

We're so united We're all friends where

27:28

we're doing everything together And

27:30

I think that you make yourself more of a target by

27:33

coming off as like the perfect tribe

27:36

as opposed to Nami Which which came

27:38

across as very dysfunctional which kind of

27:40

protected them all no, absolutely And

27:43

nothing makes you believe that no one

27:45

nothing like makes you feel real bonded

27:48

with someone more than them shit-talking They're

27:50

friends, you know, and so like the

27:52

other people cut like you see like

27:54

heaven and q like complaining together about

27:56

Venus Like that's like actual bonding, you

27:59

know, like The Siga people

28:01

are so like in their thing and I

28:03

feel like they were not really like yeah

28:05

Not really making those same like connections in

28:08

the same way that the the NAMI people

28:10

were yeah Evie now, could you Recontextualize

28:14

the survivor 41 tribes

28:17

with that in mind where yeah, you know

28:19

you have You

28:21

know Ricard and Shan who come in

28:23

together Yeah, so

28:25

it's like it's funny because actually our vote

28:27

could have gone so different in your history

28:30

book thing if it had Okay, so we

28:32

had Ricard and Shan then you had me

28:34

Liana TIFF And Xander so

28:36

four of us that we're trying to pretending we

28:38

were gonna say a thing but the whole time

28:40

we had this big craft between like it was

28:42

like Miele Anna and TIFF and Xander

28:45

kind of not in that but also kind of me

28:47

TIFF and Xander kind of had our art thing without

28:49

Liana So that's

28:51

like, you know this like fracture II thing

28:53

right then you have Lou Vou completely

28:55

intact But for dysfunctional but

28:58

super dysfunctional but not that dysfunctional, you

29:00

know, they stick together for plenty of

29:02

votes there This is yeah the entire,

29:04

you know, Erica Heather just Sean Danny

29:08

and of course miss here and Sydney To

29:11

add that to my 100 countdown Feed

29:14

run and so yes in

29:17

the end it was that the most like

29:19

in some way So Sydney was expendable to

29:21

most of the people on Lou Vou, but

29:23

not Danny But I like so

29:25

and it ended up that Sydney went home,

29:27

but the entire group the entire Most

29:30

people were gonna vote for me Which really

29:32

if we hadn't done the whole knowledge of

29:34

power flip around would have been a very

29:36

different type of vote to the the other

29:38

ones that you're describing because I was It

29:41

was because I was a threat and not in this

29:43

majority tribe But I also wasn't expendable to my tribe,

29:45

which is how I ended up getting the idol

29:47

like almost played on me Yeah, and it

29:49

would have been the only time that really

29:52

like somebody who was a threat Was

29:54

the target Right? Well,

29:57

And my mistake, Absolutely there was I.

30:00

Being greedy and I wanted to keep Sydney even

30:02

though it in retrospect I sit at a said

30:04

like. Go. For Sydney to that

30:06

like the odd man out has been there

30:08

but also wasn't so cleared by kind of

30:10

thought she was more in there than it

30:13

was. It's so hard it's so hard. Survivor,

30:15

you know what? Like that's why it's It's

30:17

so hard to try that stuff together. They

30:19

were to united so then that was bad

30:21

and then like you know, like Mariah said,

30:23

Auburn was your favorite player Like that. that

30:26

it's so hard it's so hard. Just

30:28

you know. Yup, anything could go

30:30

wrong or doesn't matter. Or coral

30:32

an email rejects article when you

30:34

know that. Q. I

30:36

silly cutesy, Really? I don't know

30:39

where he got this Aubrey thing

30:41

from. We're Aubrey is you know

30:43

on a lovely person of by

30:45

like was like he's talking about

30:48

opry like she was this like

30:50

strategic assassin. Or maybe because

30:52

I got to know offer you a little bit

30:54

like that. That's not her. Know,

30:56

I know. I think honestly ago I think.

30:59

That I don't know Ceo. This. May

31:02

interpret isn't. He. Looks at Mariah

31:04

he's like why is Mariah here See

31:06

doesn't look. Like. Zealots like someone

31:08

who you'd put on earth. The survival fitness

31:10

show what read your here six hundred he

31:12

says gotta be like a super spider and

31:15

job security measure you know and you look

31:17

at efforts the like they must be a

31:19

superfan nerd up Audrey Their yachts prove that

31:21

you know I think it's like one of

31:24

the contribution by going to happen when he

31:26

talks to lose a thinking about. Not

31:29

and like any lives this episode which is a

31:31

say we haven't done enough. Billionaire.

31:33

Lives concept for my aunt. It all started

31:35

on the roof. Yeah, I know,

31:38

I mean offer is really not that

31:40

I think you have to take take

31:42

a classic. I. Think the best answer that

31:44

question is like. Straightforward.

31:46

You know, like sandra. Sonos.

31:49

Keep it simple. Yeah, I know

31:51

he does have a like a

31:53

very like negative interpretation of of

31:55

Aubrey. The it's ever met. Like the of the

31:57

fact that they're like he's like. She's

32:00

so smart about the game. She likes Aubrey. Yeah,

32:03

this was his quote. He says, Aubrey,

32:05

she was setting people up left and

32:07

right. And if she thinks she's going

32:09

to set me up, she

32:11

can cancel Christmas. That's

32:14

like, who is Aubrey setting up?

32:18

Wow. I mean, wow.

32:20

Canceling Christmas out here. I know that's the

32:22

thing. Aubrey is that that's not really her

32:24

thing. I guess maybe he just watched Edge

32:26

of Extinction, you know, and he saw like

32:28

the the the fake fails like

32:30

lines from Aubrey and is like that

32:32

Aubrey. She's sneaky. Yeah,

32:34

maybe. I mean, she was she was a

32:37

big target there as a returning player in

32:39

that season. But yeah, that was

32:41

really one that just really was like, oh,

32:43

she's she's an Aubrey. She's got to go.

32:46

Yeah, she's got to go. I don't know, dude. I

32:48

think I don't think she's got too much longer in

32:50

the game, to be honest. Oh, see, I feel like

32:52

that he's kind of like heating up right

32:55

now. I feel like I'm higher on him

32:57

than I've been all season at this point.

32:59

I just I feel like that he's come

33:01

in. And I think that really has been

33:04

really leading this big, you

33:06

know, Journey Six Alliance. So

33:09

I don't think that he'll get

33:11

to the end. Like I wouldn't pick him as the

33:13

winner. But I really just feel like that as of right

33:15

now, I feel like that his game is peaking right

33:17

now. And maybe he's peaking too soon. Yeah.

33:19

Well, I mean, I think I think he's just very, very

33:21

exposed. You know what I mean?

33:24

Like he like is already a super

33:26

physical guy. It's very, very apparent. And

33:28

he's playing like so hard talking to

33:30

everybody. He's got his six thing.

33:32

He's like really like dictating the vote in

33:34

a lot of ways. It also, okay, another

33:36

parallel to my season. I think that happened,

33:38

you know, Shannon Ricard very much in that

33:40

spot, the small group, they had a lot

33:42

of power because that and it ended

33:45

up that Shan was like dictating the vote to

33:47

the actual majority tribe of like Danny and Deshaun.

33:49

And they were like, this is so annoying. We

33:51

have the numbers. Why is Shan telling us to

33:53

do? I think Q a little bit. He

33:56

has a lot of power, but he doesn't have really

33:58

the thing to back it up. Like yeah,

34:01

maybe they end up going on like a

34:03

tikka style thing But I also think it

34:05

could be he's the thing tikka

34:07

had is that they seemed not threatening Individuals,

34:10

you know and like I do think

34:12

that q just stands out, you know

34:14

as such a like obvious Obvious

34:17

threat that I just I think one of these splits

34:19

goes the wrong way and that he's in trouble,

34:21

you know, yeah um So

34:23

it was a big

34:25

deal for venus here That

34:28

venus really wanted to make sure that one of

34:30

the the women Stayed in

34:32

the game didn't didn't want to see it

34:34

be mariah really really wanted it Charlie

34:37

to go home. I mean I

34:39

think the irony is that you know, I think

34:41

that charlie is like, you know all about working

34:43

with the women Totally totally, but

34:45

I mean, yeah, I mean I got that

34:48

love charlie Yeah, he's gonna go with with

34:50

women for sure. But also Venus

34:53

that was smart. I'm like venus

34:55

is out here saying saying smart

34:57

stuff What if they'd gotten charlie

34:59

out there that would have changed the entire

35:01

game like like if they had

35:03

gotten charlie out there nami and and

35:05

uh Purple are like

35:07

just like would have made like the

35:10

best move ever, you know But you're

35:12

right that it's like too hard

35:14

of these I understand

35:16

what venus is is going for there But

35:18

I just kind of feel like that it's

35:20

kind of uh, like I think that charlie

35:22

is a more powerful uh,

35:24

like and you know, we can see the board

35:26

more than Venus is able to but I kind

35:29

of feel like that if if I was going

35:31

to like craft a path for venus to get

35:33

to The end I think that

35:35

maria. I I think is uh,

35:37

the most important person in terms

35:40

of looking at this Journey

35:42

six she's the person who's like,

35:44

I'm not really feeling it. It's

35:46

fine And I think that

35:48

that that maria, you know, she

35:50

knows what it is She's the

35:53

person who could go to all these other people

35:55

that are not In it She

35:58

has told us Tim's not my number one. Try

36:00

out my number one. Yeah, so if

36:02

Maria has a has Charlie and then

36:04

is able to. okay I know I

36:06

have. I couldn't get Venus, we can.

36:08

I get Kenzie like I see other

36:11

there's Mike. More of the have a

36:13

chance to build up the resistance and

36:15

I think our Charlie is probably more

36:17

likely to be a bigger part of

36:19

that been Mariah ultimately would be. So

36:21

I know that for Venus that she

36:23

would have rather have seen Charlie go

36:25

out. It's a spot by think that

36:27

long term. I think that if Venus

36:29

goes far. I think it's going to

36:32

be probably with Charlie more so

36:34

than within what Mariah would have

36:36

brought to it. I mean

36:38

that's a really good player and like us

36:40

that I really do think that that the

36:42

south of the I'm like plus one Elias

36:44

saying there plus one is just like a

36:46

really valuable information that the giveaway to resellers.

36:48

I do feel like the and yeah like

36:50

you said maria not really as instead of

36:52

the other as though that deathly to be

36:54

a ticking time bomb for people answered by

36:56

that out. But as you know much about

36:58

Charlie's Angels early on in the sees a

37:00

downward yeah have gone nowhere. Yeah no

37:02

that's fair. I mean I I think the

37:05

reason I liked the the same as only

37:07

lead to the director's assistant. Impactful vote like

37:09

in terms of he's putting a great yeah

37:11

I think you're like basically. He's a

37:13

big threat to win or but I didn't You

37:15

got a good point that like he is the

37:17

type that ah yes he really could go it

37:19

and look like. A dinner the

37:22

day see probably city like try to get

37:24

in in with Sega because like Nami hits

37:26

her like everything. one of them hitters the

37:28

hosts like you're better off. Really like get

37:31

in with the with the the other side

37:33

ya then what a twelve days that must

37:35

have been. Other people that are not mincing

37:38

words like that was like they're fighting little

37:40

that that you know. Yeah, I mean

37:42

there was even at one moment a

37:44

new a alluded to earlier on were.

37:47

Hunter was going to what's the

37:49

the key and med fetuses like

37:51

So. What? He would he would it.

37:53

Would you think isa was you? Think it about.

37:55

So that I don't know? Don't ask me.

37:57

I know this. A hitter. It's

38:00

okay. I mean it's a classic thing when you

38:02

like, say your roommate as. Much as he

38:04

did, it's so annoying. But like also, you're

38:06

starving. And so yet that stuff that

38:09

we love, right thing that's also into

38:11

season that. That. I. Writer of

38:13

soda know this but by a big

38:16

soda and in Venus need each other

38:18

that they are they're they're the people

38:20

and and they don't know what they

38:23

don't know but by the danger for

38:25

that it's that is is not Venus

38:27

is not soda either it's this aids

38:30

this other alliance that's forms this friend

38:32

or any six that's going to be

38:34

a of targeting probably soda sooner than

38:36

venus right right? Which is like. A

38:39

heavy and what a beautiful thing that would

38:41

be a soda and venus and get together.

38:43

I mean like I said I really really

38:45

really do think that that Congress isn't as

38:47

the this had with soon and and the

38:49

was important like that that general thing or

38:52

venus is sinking, Venus is there to play

38:54

zenith want for the women against the men.

38:56

Like that says something that people can work

38:58

wins and like Pavlik at Seven viewpoint you

39:00

know anemia and like I really like ah

39:02

that would be some good get survivor stuff

39:04

if they if they configured us and India

39:07

we don't really know. The

39:09

like so it's in a soda and seven are

39:11

really close. But. Then like soda. and Hunter.

39:13

not so much like Hunter. At least at. One

39:15

point with like I'm fighting with so that's a d

39:17

like have. His number one I think soda

39:20

is a smart social player and can see

39:22

that hunter and says it. It seems like.

39:24

Have drifted a little away from her

39:27

and ah, be so fun! If. She

39:29

works as enough to get winona. yeah

39:31

it it would be a we really

39:33

haven't gotten that point of view from

39:35

soda in the episodes like we really

39:37

ran really haven't gotten you know we've

39:40

We've only got to see how to

39:42

have in thinks of soda but we

39:44

have really haven't gotten to see Sodas

39:46

perspective on how she views have his

39:48

relationship with Hunter. Yeah. Totally

39:50

totally a step as a I.

39:53

Everybody needs to be scared. That's what

39:55

makes survivor votes better than Big Brother.

39:57

Both sides aside, or. Shots fired.

40:00

Survivor podcast, okay Everybody

40:02

gets to be scared except for the one person who

40:04

won immunity I'm like that's what I don't like about

40:06

the merge tray thing is like I want to see

40:08

Tevin scared We haven't seen scared Tevin at all. Like

40:10

what does that look like? Yeah, you know Not

40:13

yet. Maybe not get that next week with

40:15

the split vote. That's right I

40:21

know I know like and I really feel like

40:23

that you asked me if I care about mergetory

40:26

Honestly, like I kind of feel like

40:28

mergetory it's fine This yeah, this split

40:30

vote next time is what I

40:33

really don't like and I'm glad they do it at 12

40:36

and not it And in your season they did it

40:38

at 10 and then you lose the

40:40

final 10 vote You lose the final nine vote at least

40:42

they do it at 12 and you lose Yeah, and we're

40:44

gonna do the same thing again where somebody's not gonna make

40:46

the jury because they get voted out first next

40:48

week. Oh That's

40:51

right. I thought yeah I

40:54

saw that one see food. That's what having

40:56

a seafood. Yes, that's so mean. I hate

40:58

that. I hate that I hate that Mo's

41:00

not on the jury. She's not on the jury

41:02

Yeah But then so in the need to split vote the

41:04

first person gets what I won't be on the jury in

41:06

the second person will Be so it's like you're

41:09

whether you made the jury is this an

41:11

honor whether your other random split vote person

41:13

lasted longer That's so dumb mean game to

41:15

me. Yeah, but I just felt that we

41:17

waited like okay everybody we're here It's the

41:19

merge of your own the same beach But

41:22

like we never get a real like normal

41:24

vote until exactly, you know, exactly now until

41:26

the final 10 most interesting Chaotic

41:28

like I can't describe How

41:32

overwhelming the merge was like there's

41:34

so many people I had been talking to the

41:36

same three people for a week and then all of

41:38

a sudden there's 12 people and there's like also

41:41

a million camera people and you're just like Trying

41:44

to like figure out what's ever happening Am I

41:46

talking to too many people am I talking to

41:48

enough people and that's the thing I do think

41:50

I loved I loved what Charlie Said of that.

41:52

He was like trying to be a goalkeeper Like

41:55

that is that is obviously the way to play

41:57

it as the as a not safe person like

41:59

that so smart. I'm just like, Oh, if

42:01

there's a shot on goal, I got to defend that.

42:03

But otherwise, I'm just like, chilling. I love that. And

42:06

it really like, I remember feeling

42:08

so frantic. And I think

42:10

about the people in my season who ultimately were

42:12

like playing so much better than I realized, like,

42:14

like Danny, Danny's always someone I think about who,

42:16

like, was playing a much better game than I

42:18

understood at the time, because I was always like, what's

42:21

he even doing? And it's like, right, because he was in

42:23

a really good spot. So he was not not

42:26

doing what Sean, Sean was doing, which was running around and

42:28

making everyone realize that he was a big threat, you know?

42:31

Yeah, survivor, man, it's hard.

42:33

Yeah, it's hard. A million different things

42:36

to account for. Yeah, something that came up in

42:38

the episode, I want to have you ever heard

42:40

of this before? Venus

42:42

was pitching, okay, name

42:44

for a name. Okay. I'll

42:46

tell you, she believes in it. She believes in

42:49

name for a name. Okay. Yeah. You tell

42:51

me somebody tell me the person who's on

42:53

the bottom on on your tribe. And I'll

42:55

tell you who's on the bottom. No, I

42:57

felt was she gonna say herself? I mean,

42:59

yeah, that I don't know what if Venus

43:01

had the name that was his name.

43:04

I think Venus was like, I will vote for

43:06

anyone on my tribe. That's my name, you know,

43:08

but then everybody in the game, like at the

43:10

merch fees, they all kind of subscribe to it

43:13

name for a name. Like they really let

43:15

it name for a name from from their tribe,

43:17

but they didn't want to do with Venus. And

43:19

actually, Mariah was even like, I don't know about

43:21

this Venus. Right, right.

43:24

I mean, yeah, it definitely is quite a name

43:26

for it.

43:28

Like, like, it's just like a

43:31

very transactional approach other than like,

43:33

oh, I like you guys. Like, well, we're really

43:35

this three, like we're really vibing. Like, I don't

43:38

really get the best sense from this. There's just

43:40

a way to do it. But name

43:42

for a name, who know? It's like we're gonna be watching

43:44

survivor 52. And I'm gonna be like, so we did the name

43:46

for a name. It's

43:49

funny how these things start. Yeah, this

43:51

could be a game changer. Yeah, yeah,

43:53

put her put her on there. Yeah, no,

43:55

but it's funny. I mean, it really it

43:57

just is so interesting how And

44:00

maybe this is like something people have just been learning throughout the

44:02

new era. Maybe people are, you know, like you studying

44:04

this of like, it's going to be the people on the

44:06

bottom. But yeah, I think I

44:09

would have expected a little more worrying

44:11

about the threats, you know, but I guess like

44:13

also like that group of people just didn't really

44:16

have a super standout

44:18

threat among them. Right. And Evie, I wonder

44:20

if this has been the thing where, you

44:22

know, the new era where maybe is this

44:24

the evolution of where it's gone, where so

44:26

much of the new era has been about

44:28

anybody, it's a threat. Got to go, got

44:30

to go, got to go. And have we

44:32

reached the point where the threats rather than

44:34

targeting themselves, like we've seen through a great

44:37

deal of this new era, that this could

44:39

be where we're starting to see the threats

44:41

say, hey, the only way one of us

44:43

wins is if we go to the end

44:46

with all the threats. Right.

44:48

I mean, it's worth a try. But then, you know, you

44:50

get to the end of the game and you've got an

44:52

actual tough final, which I know happened

44:54

in Thrive or 45. So, you

44:56

know, at the end of the day, you do want

44:58

to try to be the only threat left, you know,

45:00

so I don't know. I don't know. But it's I

45:02

prefer that, you know, that's fun in some ways, get

45:05

keep the threats together and have like these people that

45:07

are really trying to play hard together. But then then

45:09

when they're just voting at all the week, people are

45:11

they trying to play hard? Are they? Well, it's

45:13

the threats as determined by the challenge.

45:15

The challenge threats have determined what a

45:18

threat is. It's not necessarily a situation

45:20

where the best game players got together

45:22

and said, OK, let's wear the five

45:24

best people at this game. Let's go

45:26

to the end. Right. Which is

45:29

another like kind of annoying thing about the merger

45:31

to a thing where it's just like now when

45:33

you don't even flip the outcome on the head.

45:35

I mean, who could imagine that? The people just

45:37

win the challenge and then it's safe. And it's

45:39

just always going to be that the strongest people

45:42

are safe for the first vote. We opened

45:44

talking about the merger Tory challenge and

45:46

then we really haven't talked about it.

45:48

But it was just it went as

45:50

sideways as it possibly could have gone

45:52

with the with the rock draw. And

45:54

again, it was kudos to the Orange

45:57

Tribe because it was it was very

46:00

close just yeah hunter he's just

46:02

like he's got all those puzzles he should do

46:07

something with that puzzle enterprise that

46:09

he has yep just

46:11

all on his own yeah but

46:13

in all seriousness should

46:16

they do a draft like is there a better

46:18

way to do this did you see

46:20

Eliza's tweet about no what did she say that's

46:22

what she was like the great thing about the

46:24

schoolyard pick both you're more

46:26

likely have more even teams and

46:28

you have people who are pissed because they

46:31

weren't picked till the end which was apparently

46:33

like her I guess in San Jose the

46:35

rock cross they love drop the rock

46:37

truck and then the person just gets to bet

46:39

on the obviously would like to didn't have to

46:41

do the challenge and then just got to eat

46:44

and what's safe in my day

46:46

at minimum you would just stay alone on an

46:48

island for three days I think

46:50

they feel like this is part of

46:52

the dangerous fun of like it's a

46:54

bag of rocks what could happen you

46:56

don't know it's so fun listen

46:58

this is the thing and the

47:01

ultimate danger and survivor comes from the other

47:03

players that's just always gonna be more dangerous

47:05

than a freaking bag of rocks as someone

47:07

whose game is blown up by several bags

47:09

of rocks so yeah yeah just you

47:11

better yeah not a good not a good way to do

47:14

it last season and again I don't spoil the merge

47:16

for you but the the rock

47:18

for was not good last season either no

47:20

I saw that I saw that yeah again a

47:22

super obvious super obvious one Katora guess it right

47:24

out and you're good to go it's just yeah

47:27

it's just not that fun okay

47:29

but circling back you know again I caught up

47:31

I did some homework in yeah for

47:33

this podcast and I listened to you I hadn't

47:36

yet heard your interview with Jeff Crowe oh first

47:38

of all that was amazing it's so nice that

47:40

he did it and that you got him and

47:42

it was such a sweet great interview and I

47:45

want to take a sec to say all

47:47

this complaining about it they're doing great the

47:49

thing that is so great about Jeff is

47:51

like he's not like phoning it in bag

47:54

of rocks now just genuinely we disagree about

47:56

what's more fun yeah yeah I mean

47:58

it's that it is not from

48:01

the perspective of laziness or

48:03

anything like that. Like

48:06

that, you know, that they

48:09

do it because they think that that's the best thing.

48:12

I mean, so if anything, you could fault

48:14

them for it. They care too much and

48:17

try to do too many things, but it's

48:19

definitely not from, you know, and I got

48:21

to tell Jeff that, like he's not phoning

48:23

it in. No, and it's beautiful

48:25

and it's sweet. And you know, it

48:27

warmed my heart to see the giant ball back, you know,

48:30

we were the first ones, we had to remember, we had

48:32

to do that. It's a staple of the new era. Yeah,

48:34

yeah. But they just have to like push it.

48:36

Do they even have to push it? No, they have

48:39

to climb up the giant ball. That's

48:41

nothing. I know. Taking

48:43

it out of the sand was terrible.

48:45

I'm one of them. Your transformation is

48:48

complete now that you were able to

48:50

say back in my day, we had

48:52

to dig up the giant ball and

48:54

push it. Your ball was sitting there.

48:56

Oh, yeah, your giant

48:58

ball. Did

49:01

you even have to break an hourglass? So

49:04

silly. It's so silly. But I just, okay,

49:06

that is one part that's cool. That is

49:08

the thing I do like about the

49:11

mergeatory thing is that was

49:13

for us anyway, by far the

49:15

hardest challenge. And we were the most defeated

49:18

and it was fucking epic

49:20

to do it. And he was like,

49:23

we earned the merge, but then we

49:25

didn't. Yeah, but then we didn't. I

49:27

want to say like nothing. I don't

49:29

really remember like what they did last

49:31

night. This seemed like the most like

49:33

normal like challenge than something like the

49:36

first couple were just like so insanely

49:38

tough. Yeah, I think this was pretty

49:40

much the same as 45. It was a

49:42

different puzzle situation. But yeah, the

49:45

first couple were ridiculous. Yeah.

49:48

Ridiculous. The

49:50

feast also was not at the sanctuary. It

49:52

was at the beach with everybody. Have they

49:54

done that before? Oh, I couldn't figure out where it was.

49:56

It was just like on the side. I feel like it

49:58

was on the side because they all walked back

50:00

together. I think that in the past we've had

50:02

like this awkward moments where it's like the losers

50:06

are back at the camp and like, okay, well, when do you think

50:08

they're going to get back? What should we do? Where

50:10

they all sort of came back together and then

50:12

they ate. I was waiting for somebody from the

50:14

losers to come up and like, hey,

50:16

can we ask you guys a question? Yeah,

50:19

right, right, right. I know it's so awkward

50:21

of being right there. We have won the

50:24

reward challenge that I won where we

50:27

did the puzzle really fast. That

50:29

was one where it was like we had a plate of

50:31

sandwiches and we were just supposed to go eat it

50:33

like somewhere else. It's so

50:35

awkward those moments of like being like with the

50:37

people that aren't going to get to eat and

50:39

then you're about to go up and

50:42

the merge fees. I mean, yeah, and that's so

50:44

sad that other people don't get the merge fees.

50:46

Like I just feel like it takes a little

50:48

bit of like the pet to earn it. You

50:50

got to earn everything, but you can't, but

50:52

they just never, never earn it. Like, you

50:55

know, yeah. Yeah. Do

50:58

you, was the flint

51:00

remind me of 41. Was that all that was

51:03

part of it? You didn't, you didn't win it. That was always part

51:05

of it. Sorry for you. It was there.

51:07

Sorry for you. It's all there.

51:09

He's also doing this thing now of like really trying to make it a thing

51:11

of like, if you didn't win,

51:13

you're the what? Losers.

51:15

Yeah. We know about

51:17

that. That new cat. Yeah. You

51:20

know, okay. No, that was there, but we,

51:22

no one has the intense suffering that Yadi

51:24

had because we all succeeded

51:27

in the sweat versus savvy.

51:29

We all got it. So

51:31

Yasa, even though we then lost the next

51:34

two immunities, we always had our fire

51:36

going from the beginning. So that really,

51:38

gosh, that is rough. 12

51:40

days off. It's just, it's so

51:43

cold. And then you have no way,

51:45

like we would literally on the night, it rained. We had a

51:47

really good like shelter for our

51:49

fire and we were just literally like sleep next

51:51

to it. You know, like that sucks. That

51:54

sucks. Yeah. Poor

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53:07

savvy Yannu about It's

53:19

a time to retire the big boulder. The

53:22

challenge? No it's a stable. No, the shoulder forever. Okay

53:24

me in that big boulder. We're

53:27

connected this is my skin. You're probably still

53:29

on it somewhere. So no big boulder. There

53:32

are other parts of the merdatory. I can

53:34

I can do it personally. Okay,

53:37

how about a question from pelo. Where

53:40

is Venus go from here? Her edit

53:43

is substantial. Yeah. Okay.

53:45

Do you think is Venus likely to be

53:47

a target when we get to the groups

53:49

of sex? Yeah, I

53:51

mean I think she's I don't think she's

53:54

going to be like a target per se,

53:56

but I think she could. I think

53:58

her worst case is she like. in

54:00

a group that they all like each other and then she's

54:02

just... Or with a lot of people from NAMI.

54:05

Right, exactly. Well, a lot of people that like each

54:07

other except for her. Right. You know,

54:09

yeah. Like, yeah, actually swapping with NAMI is

54:12

probably her worst case scenario. But

54:14

I think if she gets with any other like

54:16

mixture of people, she's just like such an obvious

54:18

vote to be with someone. And she's so ready

54:20

to vote out one of those NAMI. I mean,

54:23

I gotta say, I want to break up some

54:25

of these things. Like, that would be such a

54:27

surprise, you know, like get someone

54:30

out of there. Use Venus. I want Venus

54:32

to go far. I mean, I do think

54:34

realistically we're looking at zero vote

54:36

finalists upside, but so many of

54:39

our zero vote finalists have

54:41

been iconic, iconic, legendary, know-it-alls

54:44

even, you know? Yeah, living

54:46

know-it-alls even. Yeah. Okay.

54:48

What do you think? Do you think there's anywhere else?

54:50

Do you think there's winner upside?

54:54

Again, I think it would be very hard for her because

54:56

I feel like that I don't think that

54:58

she's going to be a person who's going to be

55:00

able to put something together. Like,

55:02

I've talked about this a

55:04

little bit over the last couple of weeks. I've

55:06

been sort of like developing this theory of, and

55:08

I mean this lovingly, of like, there are the

55:11

people that are sort of like that, that make

55:13

these failed bids that I've talked about as also

55:15

known as the losers. Yeah, sure.

55:17

But then there's also the nothings. And I

55:19

think that you can go from somebody who

55:21

is just sort of like a non-entity, like

55:23

Liz. Like, and I think that

55:26

you can sort of be Liz and you

55:28

can just be like, okay, just like coasting

55:30

along and then all of a sudden then

55:32

you pop at the end and you can

55:34

win the game from being nothing. But

55:36

I think that once you are

55:38

a person who is like striking

55:40

out, I'm not sure necessarily

55:42

what you need to do. And we've seen

55:44

players who are the, who are the failed, failed bid.

55:47

Give me a failed bid example. Okay. Well, I don't

55:49

want to spoil last season for you. I know what

55:51

happened. Okay. It would

55:53

be an example of somebody who was

55:56

really trying to stir the pot, trying to

55:58

get things going. Come on, everybody. Everybody let's

56:00

do this. Uh, that wasn't gonna

56:02

happen for Jake. Is that where Jake is going?

56:04

That's where Jake's going Yeah, that's where that that's

56:07

where Romeo went

56:09

ultimately I'm

56:11

trying to think of a little bit. I

56:13

would say for sure in some ways different little different

56:15

But yeah, yeah, you know sort of

56:17

like pushing from the bottom of

56:20

yeah, like come on Let's flip this whole thing

56:22

over if you're like, nah, I don't think so.

56:25

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could yeah

56:27

I could say that I mean the

56:29

thing is right now the thing to

56:31

flip over it feels flip overable Mm-hmm,

56:33

you know, yeah, like I do think it's

56:35

not too late yet right

56:37

if she gets into like a good group in

56:39

this six and they and they are whatever whatever

56:41

number it'll be and They

56:43

can take out a tevin Like

56:46

that would be crazy But like Venus

56:48

is ready to go to make a

56:50

move and I think she could get into a group

56:52

Yeah, once you get into that like everybody

56:55

they can't keep getting away with it

56:57

Come on, who's with me, you know,

57:00

like that person like never goes on

57:02

to win Right, but

57:04

I just do think it's way too early

57:06

for that because there's just no them yet

57:08

There's no there's no like like, you

57:10

know, like I think I think ultimately that is what

57:12

the like That's what Erica was able to do ultimately,

57:14

you know what I mean? But Yeah,

57:17

you don't know when you're gonna be a nothing first or

57:19

a failed bit I guess but I said she went more

57:21

from like a non-entity and you were there Like

57:24

I feel like she went more for like

57:26

a non-entity to and like emerging at the

57:28

right moment as opposed to the person Who

57:30

was like really like hey, come on. Let's

57:33

get this Let's turn this

57:35

whole thing on its head. Well, right.

57:37

I feel like I was more like come on Erica. Let's

57:39

go She was like not yet

57:43

Yeah, but you were too good at it

57:45

and then that's why you had to go

57:47

How'd you had you stayed ultimately? Have

57:51

you like it's not gonna take yeah,

57:53

right. All right. No, exactly. No, I think that makes less sense

57:55

I guess my point is how do you

57:57

yeah, I mean you just have to You

58:00

have to be able to do it because like my point

58:02

was more like I feel like she was talking sometimes I

58:05

like we got to flip it right then didn't actually

58:07

go for it because she knew that that was not

58:09

right And you can't really flip it yet But

58:12

it's either it's either like pretty soon It's

58:14

like it's either like she's got to actually

58:16

flip it or the you know that her

58:18

she's on that trajectory of best-case scenario Zero

58:21

finalists. Yeah, I both I've so I've

58:23

been was I said I've been watching forever 45

58:26

And also my girlfriend just watched all

58:28

of blood versus water. Okay, you know

58:31

and and the Philippines also I've been Around

58:33

that and I do feel like also if you

58:36

become too much the talker, but never the doer

58:38

then you get Monica Culpepper Mm-hmm, you

58:40

know, yeah, well, that's time someone talked

58:42

about Monica Culpepper. Not recently. Yeah So

58:45

there you go. Yeah, okay. All right

58:47

doing it for Monica. All right Thinking

58:50

of Monica Rob Monica

58:52

has to think of Monica. Okay. All

58:55

right, how about Will

58:58

how do you say about this will

59:00

says how does Evie feel knowing that

59:02

they are the undisputed preeminent new era

59:04

nerd I Don't

59:06

know that that is true. But I mean

59:08

I love first of all, thank you will

59:10

I you know proud nerd here I

59:12

have to say I think that there are much more

59:16

prominent New

59:18

era nerds. I mean we got Carson we

59:20

got Brandon like a lot of Out

59:24

there stock is up today Evie. That's

59:26

you know, you know Some

59:29

puzzles they're simple. They're they're

59:31

simple and they're effective. Yeah, and they're

59:34

free. Okay. Yeah All

59:36

right, how about Rave

59:38

says is it just me or can cue

59:41

not turn off the teacher role adopted on

59:43

yanoo Is he starting to cause trouble from

59:45

stuff? Well, I thought it was so interesting

59:47

and I was trying to find a way

59:49

to tweet this and I couldn't turn into

59:52

a tweet But um when Mariah was at

59:54

the tribal council, okay, and Mariah was like

59:56

look I gotta tell y'all it

59:58

wasn't unanimous was that and

1:00:01

then if you cue that

1:00:03

it was like giving Mariah some

1:00:06

some words of wisdom and he said like

1:00:08

hey Mariah don't

1:00:11

let anybody mute your game

1:00:13

okay you gotta like you

1:00:15

got to speak your truth

1:00:17

I'm like this is like

1:00:19

the exact opposite advice that

1:00:21

he don't let anyone

1:00:23

mute your game I will now proceed

1:00:25

to vote you out yes yes

1:00:28

Bonnie how's everything going good

1:00:30

the vibes are good I'm

1:00:32

vibing with everyone I

1:00:35

have to say I do think that would wear on

1:00:37

me the teacher energy certainly

1:00:40

yeah I definitely you know obviously you're getting the

1:00:42

edits I do think in a lot of the

1:00:44

conversations we saw Q doing

1:00:46

a lot of the talking and other people

1:00:48

are doing a lot of the like oh

1:00:50

yeah yeah and I just that's not really

1:00:52

the position I think you want to be

1:00:54

in typically you don't see three three's doing

1:00:56

a lot of listening yeah so um yeah

1:00:59

but you know you the other thing is you

1:01:01

just have to be who you are you just

1:01:03

like cannot be someone different so like he's

1:01:06

doing fine he's not Bruce you know yeah yeah I

1:01:08

thought this was Q's best episode

1:01:10

of the season I don't

1:01:12

I okay I think outcome

1:01:14

wise yes I just I'm really nervous for

1:01:16

him I feel like he's really exposed

1:01:19

I think he's gonna get picked off eventually but

1:01:21

I just feel like that this was the week

1:01:23

where every everything was coming up Q yeah yeah

1:01:26

I do I mean yeah what do

1:01:28

you think about it's so funny

1:01:30

that he as the one who was so

1:01:32

upset with Jelinski was the one on Yani

1:01:34

that league multiple times was like you know what

1:01:37

yeah it's me and then it's ever like

1:01:39

no not really like the Colby Donaldson

1:01:41

approach but it seemed like he's an

1:01:43

interesting guy you know yeah yeah

1:01:45

he said that he was then just gonna try

1:01:48

to say that to Kenzie that was gonna be

1:01:50

his plan if they went to one more

1:01:52

time but I think he definitely had like a

1:01:54

low moment or two yeah yeah

1:01:56

I mean yeah I mean he did I

1:02:00

feel like the first couple ever since I mean

1:02:02

he had a lot of power in those those

1:02:05

Yannu votes like even though you know

1:02:07

Tiff ostensibly was kind of like in

1:02:09

that middle position He was the one

1:02:11

that had the relationships with Yannu and

1:02:13

Jess and you know, I he did

1:02:15

great in the pre-merge for sure He did

1:02:17

um, but you know, I love Tiffany's position

1:02:20

so much more because then he has not

1:02:22

in addition to Ida Leisha She has you

1:02:24

know, basically Q out in

1:02:26

front as sort of like the big

1:02:28

leader shield Kenzie is a little bit

1:02:30

out in front as sort of like

1:02:32

the social Charisma shield

1:02:34

so really feel like that Tiffany is

1:02:36

looking like she's in a great spot.

1:02:38

Okay, um Marianne

1:02:40

Oakich, okay What's

1:02:43

up, Marianne about to be

1:02:45

married in a couple days who

1:02:47

your non-threatening favorite player? Wow

1:02:50

in the current cast presumably

1:02:52

I guess all time. Yeah. Okay.

1:02:54

Wait, I'll do okay non-threatening Okay, I

1:02:56

don't know where he falls this I

1:02:58

love Ben. We haven't talked about them

1:03:01

enough. Yes He's so fun like and

1:03:03

you just do you ride Evie? You

1:03:06

know, I don't personally shred, but

1:03:08

I love that. It's just he

1:03:10

it's like Shredvolution

1:03:15

Oh Man

1:03:24

um, I just I just love

1:03:26

it's just like he loves rock and he's gonna

1:03:28

talk about rock and he's like the rocker guys

1:03:30

He's like super nice like just a sweetie sweetie

1:03:33

Um, I think he probably eventually will be like

1:03:35

some sort of social set But I think he's

1:03:37

in a great spot to like no one's looking

1:03:40

at him. He's like, yeah, he's just

1:03:42

a sweetie sweetie So yeah, I like him a lot

1:03:45

Yeah, that's probably my favorite non-threatening. I think I

1:03:47

think things like everyone's a threat like it's like,

1:03:50

you know Charlie's a threat. There's

1:03:52

a lot of threats on the board

1:03:55

um, yeah, I think I was

1:03:57

my legitimate answer like I was out there and You

1:04:00

know, I was with people who didn't know like

1:04:02

anybody and they were like, uh, like, uh, so

1:04:05

who you like? And I said my my serious

1:04:07

answer is my hero is Jonathan

1:04:09

Penner Yeah, sure. Yeah.

1:04:11

I mean and he's so great and he's just

1:04:14

like an awesome person also Um

1:04:17

Yeah, that's a perfect example. I mean,

1:04:19

yeah, look how my favorite

1:04:21

non-threatening player ever i'm gonna have to sit

1:04:23

on that Because I feel like oh he

1:04:25

mutinied he switched on his tribe. He can't

1:04:27

trust him Okay,

1:04:30

you know who's another non-threatening player I love

1:04:32

I love me some Nora, you know, I

1:04:34

love those kinds of characters, you know Like

1:04:37

also just people that are who they are. That's

1:04:39

what I like about Ben It's just like he's rock

1:04:41

guy and that's what he's gonna do, you know

1:04:44

Yep, speaking of rock guy, uh heather

1:04:46

wants to know how slippery is that big boulder? That's

1:04:49

fine. Yeah, I mean, well, we didn't have the element of

1:04:51

being covered in mud So I don't

1:04:53

think it was that slippery for us also We

1:04:57

pushed the big boulder and then we I

1:04:59

think scaled some other thing We

1:05:01

had to climb it to get like a

1:05:03

key or something, but I don't remember. I

1:05:05

don't remember the split I remember being so

1:05:07

hot. There was not a drop of moisture

1:05:09

anywhere. Um Anywhere

1:05:12

rob, okay On

1:05:17

that note, uh, let's bring in uh,

1:05:19

we have special guests standing by here

1:05:22

Okay, uh a man is celebrating a

1:05:24

big day today It's

1:05:27

the birthday of this man

1:05:31

Taryn, how are you? Doing

1:05:33

well, uh, am I the first one of this

1:05:35

alliance? Yes, you're the plus one we brought you

1:05:38

in Okay, you all think about it. I'll think

1:05:40

about it. Okay You know taryn

1:05:42

earlier tonight. We were talking about this, uh

1:05:44

survivor vote as like this is like the

1:05:46

as big brothery as This

1:05:48

gets of like the people in the power

1:05:50

alliance are all safe The people that aren't

1:05:52

in the alliance that don't even know the

1:05:54

alliance exists Are all on the bottom like

1:05:57

begging for their lives trying to say like hey go after

1:05:59

the people in the power and you're like nah. Yeah

1:06:01

it's just picking off the like the people

1:06:04

on the outs as a way

1:06:06

to weaken. Can Venus get HOH next week do

1:06:08

you think? Right? If this was

1:06:10

Big Brother, Venus will have would have won

1:06:12

the HOH at the end of this episode

1:06:14

and you'd be like whoa what's gonna happen

1:06:17

now? That's how Big Brother does it. I

1:06:19

don't know I watched one season of Big Brother in

1:06:21

BB 25 and that's not normally

1:06:23

what happens you know. Yeah you're

1:06:25

not watching the right season.

1:06:27

Okay. Well they've got the

1:06:30

split house twist coming up

1:06:32

next week so what's

1:06:34

that called? The

1:06:38

Dyer Fest. So that's

1:06:43

coming up. Taryn's coming up. We don't say

1:06:45

that name. Taryn's coming up with Big Brother

1:06:47

Canada right after this. It's

1:06:49

been it's eviction night. It's

1:06:52

executive eviction night with a very

1:06:54

special episode tonight Rob. It was

1:06:56

actually pretty good. There was a

1:06:58

whole series of events that happened.

1:07:01

Somebody went home. Well maybe

1:07:03

we weren't expecting to go. Okay. Fine.

1:07:07

Alright. Even you weren't expecting

1:07:09

Taryn? Nobody could have expected. Oh

1:07:11

fun. Oh interesting. Okay. Alright

1:07:14

Taryn you have any other survivor thoughts from

1:07:16

tonight? You

1:07:19

know this it was I

1:07:21

I'm a Venus fan.

1:07:23

I loved her calling out

1:07:25

like every true fact like

1:07:28

you remember those three guys that went

1:07:30

to the journey together? Like yes. Mm-hmm. Yes.

1:07:32

I do remember that. Exactly. She's saying

1:07:34

smart stuff. Yeah. She's saying smart

1:07:36

stuff. Yeah. She's

1:07:39

not wrong. Where's the lie? I

1:07:41

just wish she wasn't saying it to

1:07:43

everybody. Yeah. Tell us. Tell maybe one

1:07:45

person. Tell a friend. She likes the

1:07:48

Bailey of Survivor right now. If you're

1:07:50

watching Big Brother Canada you know that

1:07:52

reference. Okay. She didn't get any coaching to be

1:07:54

fair. A lot of the other players in this

1:07:56

game that like coaching. That's right. Yeah. Alright. Taryn,

1:08:00

okay, we'll let you get set

1:08:02

up. Okay, everybody, stand by for

1:08:04

BB Can coming up right after

1:08:06

this, okay? Thanks, guys.

1:08:08

Okay. Bye. All right.

1:08:12

So, let's just take a couple more questions

1:08:14

because we got so many here

1:08:16

with Evie and you have so much to say.

1:08:18

Okay. All right. How about this?

1:08:21

This is a good question. Worth playing

1:08:23

for wants to know, Rob, what did you

1:08:25

think about the fact that everyone had to compete in

1:08:27

the puzzle? Oh, I loved it.

1:08:29

I know it says it's for Rob, but I love

1:08:31

it. What do you think, Rob? I love it too.

1:08:34

They've done this a couple times this season. They did

1:08:36

that also with the ring toss. Make

1:08:38

everybody do it. I mean, you have like,

1:08:40

you know, Nami

1:08:42

that they had Hunter who was

1:08:44

such a whiz at sort of

1:08:46

like these puzzles and challenges from

1:08:49

practicing them. And yeah,

1:08:51

that's great for Hunter, but also like

1:08:53

I think that that's like a real

1:08:55

equalizer to make everybody have to participate

1:08:57

in some of these things. Yes,

1:08:59

I completely agree. I do think this puzzle wasn't

1:09:02

like so great for that because everyone could really

1:09:04

see the pattern and like help, which obviously is

1:09:06

nice. I'm with everybody kind of if you're going

1:09:08

to try to like put everyone on the spot

1:09:10

and there's like other puzzles that would be a

1:09:12

little but I really do agree. Make everyone do

1:09:14

stuff except if it's me and I should only have

1:09:16

to do the things that I'm going to. Yes. Yeah.

1:09:19

Okay. Let's see.

1:09:23

How about. Okay.

1:09:27

Oh, Leah wants to know

1:09:29

why didn't Tim choose Ben for the journey six?

1:09:32

Yeah, that is a such a I mean, we

1:09:34

really have not we've Tim

1:09:37

has talked a lot, but we haven't really gotten

1:09:39

to understand his like lay of the land. It

1:09:41

seems like genuinely Maria is the

1:09:43

person he wants to work with the most even

1:09:46

though it did. It didn't really seem like everybody

1:09:48

else's perspective was that it was boys versus girls

1:09:50

with Maria and Charlie in the center. Yeah, you know, we

1:09:52

have not really gotten to see too much of it.

1:09:54

I know there was a secret scene at one time

1:09:56

that Ben is not like a like does not talk

1:09:59

a lot of game. And maybe Tim can

1:10:01

sort of like idea, okay, Maria is

1:10:03

the tough customer. She's the person, she

1:10:05

had the extra vote. She's the person

1:10:07

that I really wanna work with. She's

1:10:09

got the relationship. Where Ben, he's great to

1:10:12

be around, but is he really thinking about

1:10:14

the game a lot? Like he's fun, but

1:10:16

is he that guy? Well,

1:10:20

and I mean, clearly he was that guy

1:10:22

enough to Charlie that Charlie felt it was

1:10:24

like really worth making sure he stayed. But

1:10:27

maybe that's the relationship. And

1:10:30

so yeah, I mean, I think genuinely

1:10:32

Maria just is his number one. He

1:10:35

maybe should tell her, you know? That

1:10:38

she could know that too. Yeah. Okay,

1:10:41

how about Ethan

1:10:44

says, after last week's blinds, I

1:10:46

really thought that Charlie would get the boot tonight.

1:10:49

Was I as delusional as my friend said I

1:10:51

was? I look at, well, look, find a new

1:10:53

friend, Ethan. That's not nice that your friend said

1:10:55

you're Delulu. Yeah, you can

1:10:57

be wrong and not delusional. Sometimes

1:11:00

we're just wrong, you know? But

1:11:02

no, I think honestly, I do

1:11:05

think Charlie's in a really good spot in his group.

1:11:08

Now the question will be how to see a

1:11:10

fair, but I do think that Charlie, he just

1:11:12

has a lot going for him where he is

1:11:14

really athletic, but I don't think comes off that

1:11:16

way. But he is like a big like runner

1:11:18

and stuff like that. And he's

1:11:20

like super likable, doesn't have the

1:11:22

machismo thing. So he's like very

1:11:25

like accessible to people. I

1:11:27

think Charlie should be

1:11:30

the person that the anti-sega factors

1:11:33

come for, but I don't think they, it will take

1:11:35

a while to figure that out, I think. Yeah,

1:11:38

I think that that would probably, it would

1:11:40

have been a better move for them to

1:11:42

go after Charlie. And I'm not really sure

1:11:44

necessarily why they didn't, I guess that what's

1:11:48

interesting is that this Journey

1:11:50

Six, let's

1:11:53

search over the name for it. This Journey

1:11:55

Six, what it is kind of caused

1:11:57

is like the tribes are at war.

1:12:00

But they're also like engaged

1:12:02

in diplomacy. So I

1:12:04

think that's what makes this scenario

1:12:06

so interesting So it's like okay,

1:12:08

we want to take out one of your numbers,

1:12:10

but okay, we're not gonna take out a number

1:12:13

That's really gonna hurt. We're gonna we have to

1:12:15

decide like we gotta get rid of all these

1:12:17

people here But so like give us who

1:12:20

do you volunteer as tribute? That's

1:12:22

the person and and because they're like, uh, we don't want

1:12:24

to tell you anything It's like well that now we have

1:12:26

to take your person but Like

1:12:29

but we're not we're still not gonna take in the one

1:12:31

that hurts Yeah, I mean, yeah,

1:12:33

right cuz that's the thing. It's both I think the

1:12:35

plus one Alliance is like having that I by the

1:12:38

way I think plus one Alliance is what I'm gonna

1:12:40

call it. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah But

1:12:42

yeah, I think like I think it's that and

1:12:44

it's also it's new our survivor No one's expecting

1:12:46

this to be tribes forever, you know, like eventually

1:12:49

people want to work together They don't want everyone

1:12:51

to be super mad at them I mean look

1:12:53

at how Yasa totally screwed that up by both

1:12:55

Yeah, the most expendable person went home But we

1:12:57

voted for Deshaun because we thought that we could

1:12:59

try to get people to see hey He's a

1:13:01

big threat people weren't ready for that and that

1:13:03

was you know, a big mistake So and

1:13:05

really the person that it might be the

1:13:07

biggest miss for to not have taken out

1:13:10

Charlie might be Tim because

1:13:13

you Give up Charlie. You still

1:13:15

get off a seagull number and you really

1:13:17

locked Maria into this thing And I don't

1:13:19

know if Tim the thing is that you

1:13:21

know Maria and Charlie have

1:13:23

done this hidden thing and maybe they've done it

1:13:25

so well that Tim doesn't even know That

1:13:28

Charlie is actually Maria's number one, but I think that

1:13:30

had it been Charlie I think it would have been

1:13:32

a great night for Tim. Yes

1:13:34

I mean well enough I think it seems

1:13:36

like Tim and I guess then who

1:13:38

are playing really slow and like

1:13:40

maybe Ben's like barely Playing Tim playing

1:13:43

so slow didn't even tell Maria about the

1:13:45

thing. Meanwhile the other like Charlie and

1:13:47

Maria Obviously a lot going on. Gem was

1:13:49

running around there. They got her out Like

1:13:51

it's like very much like I

1:13:54

feel like there's a lot of like they're not

1:13:56

playing the same piece of game at all

1:13:58

You know, okay. All right And

1:14:01

then let's leave it there. Let me tell

1:14:03

everybody about what else is coming up here.

1:14:05

Okay We've

1:14:07

got coming up on a big

1:14:10

Thursday kick things off with the exit

1:14:12

interview and then We

1:14:14

will have Steven Fishback live at 1

1:14:17

30 then Friday. I'll get into the survivor feedback show

1:14:19

plus Shannon Gus the

1:14:21

B&B the purple pants podcast and

1:14:24

then also Don't

1:14:26

miss yx lost as

1:14:29

well. Okay No fun. All

1:14:31

right, Rob. You got so much going on always

1:14:33

and it's just so fun and good like what?

1:14:36

Thank you, Evie, you know, what was the Jeff

1:14:38

thing? It was 500 episodes is a thousand episodes

1:14:40

that that was episode 5 5,000.

1:14:43

Yes. Holy God the hardest

1:14:45

working guy, you know on that microphone

1:14:48

Yeah, I mean they So

1:14:50

hard to call it like work But

1:14:53

you know, I am here 11 o'clock at

1:14:55

night. Like I get it. Steven. It's Yeah,

1:14:58

you know tomorrow

1:15:01

the Amazing Race had its 90 minute episode tonight

1:15:03

and Justin from the green team

1:15:05

is gonna join Jess and Mike to talk

1:15:07

about this and just will have the exit

1:15:10

interview with whoever got eliminated from the Amazing

1:15:12

Race tonight Okay dealer

1:15:14

no deal Island. Have you looked at this Evie? Okay,

1:15:17

I have it yet because I'm like saving it I

1:15:19

really want to watch it and also I love true

1:15:21

blood and you know the host guy. Oh Joe

1:15:23

Manganiello Yeah, he was he's

1:15:25

a werewolf. Okay. Yeah that I you I

1:15:27

used to watch that I didn't stick around

1:15:30

for all of true blood Later. Yeah, yes,

1:15:32

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