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Hello, and welcome to Tag1 Team Talks, the blog and podcast ofTag1 Consulting.

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We're commemorating the 20th anniversary of Drupal with an interview series,

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featuring community leaders talking about their Drupal experiences.

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I'm really excited to have Dawn Aly on the show today.

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Dawn is product manager for customer digital experience at Red Hat, and

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she brings a really fresh, new and unique perspective to the series.

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I'm Michael Meyers, the managing director of Tag1.

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Tag1 is the number two all time contributor to Drupal.

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We build and manage large-scale applications for Fortune 500s and other

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organizations in every sector using Drupal as well as many other technologies.

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We're also one of the few Drupal 7 extended support providers,

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and we can help you run Drupal 7. After it reaches end of life next year.

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Please reach out if you want to learn more. So let's kick it off.

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Uh, please welcome me in joining Dawn to the show.

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Dawn is the person that you go to when you want to talk about why Drupal's a

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really great fit for your organization, for your projects, for your products.

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Prior to joining Red Hat, as the product manager for customer digital

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experience, she was VP of digital strategy at Mediacurrent, which

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I'm sure all of you have heard of. It's one of the most well-known Drupal agencies out there.

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Uh, she also has a lot of experience in the creative side of things, both

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from her time at Mediacurrent and through her work as a brand manager

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at the Rise Creative Group, she's a certified scrum product owner.

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Uh, as far as I know it on the first CSPO on the show, which

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is another exciting thing. And, um, uh, she's also given many talks at, at many conferences,

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including DrupalCon uh, on topics like GDPR compliance, content

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strategy, analytics, and SEO.

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Uh, so there's a lot, a lot to talk about.

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Uh, Dawn, thank you so much for joining me today and welcome to the show.

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Super excited to be here. Thank you for that really warm introduction and having me.

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Definitely. Um, so when I was putting together some notes for the show, uh, I was looking

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at your Drupal.org profile, uh, and I noticed that you set it up around

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eight years ago in a, roughly 2013.

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But then I also looked at your resume and I was like, wait a minute.

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She has been working with Drupal for so many more years.

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And so I'm wondering, you know, why, uh, why is there that multi-year gap between

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when you first started using Drupal and when you first created that profile?

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Yeah, I know it's um, so first it took me forever to make my profile.

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I am not an engineer. So for the longest time I felt like it would be really weird for me to be on D.o.

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And I didn't always see myself represented in the Drupal community.

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So I think I finally jumped in when my DrupalCon Austin talk was accepted.

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It was about how to get the most ROI out of your Drupal website.

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So again, not developer centric.

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Uh, I made the cut and I also remember very specifically a meeting with Dave

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Terry, founder of Mediacurrent and Adam Wade, our marketing director at the

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time saying, Dawn just make the profile.

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Um, so I think that was the nudge that I needed and the validation I needed

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to just jump in and make it happen.

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That's really interesting because you know, coming from an engineering

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background and you know, um, I'm not always attuned to these things.

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Do you think that we've made progress as a community?

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You know, do you think people come to drupal.org today and

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say, Woah, this is for engineers.

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Like, um, you know,

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Okay. So even women.drupal.org.

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There are a lot clearer paths into contributing that just were

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not there at the time when I was getting started in Drupal.

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It's much easier to jump in with editing content or testing.

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Um, I see a lot more diversity in the talks at DrupalCon too,

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which has been really nice, but imposter syndrome is a real thing.

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I had a double-take even when I was invited to this podcast, I

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almost emailed you to be like, you know, I'm not a developer, right.

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That was one of the main reasons.

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I, well, first of all, I was told to invite you.

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I don't want to give away at the end of the show, uh, and what I do, but,

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but you know, I will, I ask everybody. Uh, you know, you have to volunteer one person who would it be?

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And James Rutherford at Pantheon was like, didn't even hesitate.

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It was like, oh, you got to talk to Dawn.

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And so I was like, okay. And I, and I looked you up and I was like, this is, this is awesome.

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We need, we need more perspectives.

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And, you know, and, and I, I think that, you know, I'm as guilty of

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this, as many people, you get. So in the zone of here are the people I know, and I, I tend to gravitate

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towards, you know, a lot of engineers.

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And so I was really excited that you said that you would join us because, you

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know, you, you have that perspective. It never occurred to me that Drupal wasn't friendly.

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And as soon as you said, it was like, oh, of course not.

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Um, and we've made, I'm really glad to hear that we've made

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inroads because there has been so much effort in the community to.

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One encourage people to do more contribution to show people that code

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is not the only way to contribute that, to thrive as a community.

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We need contribution to all these areas to, to bring in the

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talks like yours, to DrupalCon. So I'm really happy to hear that we're, that we've really made a lot

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of progress over the last, you know, eight or so years in doing that.

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And it's always going to be a little weird for people like me, cause

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I don't fit in 100% everywhere.

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So I'm not an engineer, so I don't always fit in those hardcore engineering spaces.

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And I have a strong preference for open source and Drupal

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as content management system. So I don't always fit in, in the more dogmatic branding circles, either,

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who believe to be a real designer.

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You shouldn't care about the technology, let alone prefer something.

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It's a tricky space to be in, but I think people like me, my profile does technical

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marketing, strategic people it's growing.

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So it's been really nice that Drupal has been at a place of the very welcoming.

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That's great. Well, we need more people like you in the community in tech in general.

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Uh, we're certainly open, open source at heart is how I like to call it.

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Um, so how did you first come to discover Drupal?

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It's kind of a long story. So back in 2010, I was working for this really boutique digital

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agency called rise creative group.

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We were out of downtown Orlando.

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We were doing cool branding for people like Grant Hill and

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companies like Hart and Huntington, the Florida Bar Foundation.

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And we were a branding company.

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So custom was like our thing for a long time, like custom design, custom

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mobile apps, custom website.net is cool.

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So for the website in particular, um, it became a frustration

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point for a lot of people to have to go through the development

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team, to make a content change.

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The development team hated it. Customers did that want to wait to get in our queue, wait to get the content change.

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So we started looking at what technologies existed and looking at

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content management systems in the market. At the time there were three main players and we picked Drupal.

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It gave us all the things we needed. Let us still scratch the custom itch, you know, and enabled us to

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help customers build their business really fast because we weren't doing

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everything from the ground up and on a really reliable technology.

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So that was the first kind of taste.

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And is that what got you hooked on open-source because, I mean, you went

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from there to Mediacurrent, which was really, you know, hardcore into

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Drupal and open source and from there to Red Hat, which is, you know, the,

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the pioneer of so much of open source.

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So it's crazy to go from, you know, the, the sort of bespoke boutique to, you know,

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I know my career path has been so strange, so I feel like moving from

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rise, where I had to spend a lot of time selling people on why Drupal was

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a good idea to, um, Mediacurrent, where I doubled down hardcore, on Drupal,

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um, you know, the people coming to Mediacurrent, especially at that point

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in time, they had already chosen Drupal.

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And they were coming to find a really strong Drupal technology shop.

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So we were outsourcing our strategy and design work, um, either to be done in

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house by our clients or by somebody else.

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So Dave took a big chance on me and that we found the strategy

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department at Mediacurrent. And I think that's when I really super fell in love with Drupal

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because man, we were growing so fast.

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I was learning so much from those people.

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And when I was looking for my next career move, I knew I wanted to

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stay open source and I knew I wanted to stay in the Drupal ecosystem.

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And so Red Hat was like a lot of wins for me.

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Um, Red Hat's, obviously strong open source and all of the web properties,

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including the one that I manage. Run on Drupal.

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So the dug into Drupal hardcore

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Real quick, uh, tell us a little bit about the Drupal usage at

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Red Hat, because they've been a really long time user of Drupal.

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I mean, I want to say like a decade in my mind, maybe more

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that they'd been using Drupal. Yeah, that sounds about right.

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So any time we do anything at Red Hat, we look to start with open source,

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like literally, everything about red. How does open source?

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The way we make decisions is open source.

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The technology we use is open source.

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It's a Drupal made a lot of sense for us.

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Um, the property that I work with primarily is our

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customer portal, massive site.

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You can see it at access.Redhat.com and it is a mixture at the moment

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of Drupal seven and Drupal nine.

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As we go through our migration process. But yeah, all the portal properties are Drupal.

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Very cool. So from your perspective, what's the best part about being a

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part of the Drupal community? I think there's something really special about that shared Drupal experience.

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And I guess it's so obvious that at one point, especially when my husband and I

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were first dating, he could pick up on it.

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Um, I would introduce him to someone and he could really reliably tell

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if this was somebody from the Drupal community or somebody not.

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I guess the like energy exchange is really undeniable.

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Um, or maybe we just see like other people, uh, who

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just, who resonate with us. Like we have the same sense of humor or the same sense of.

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I don't know. I don't know what it is that makes it so undeniable.

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Um, Was it the DrupalCon socks, the t-shirt, the

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plushy that, that gave us away

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It could be the undeniable love of karaoke.

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Um, it could be a lot of things, but it's, I guess it's abundantly clear even

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for people outside of the community.

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And, you know, the, I feel like my longest friends, I met somehow through Drupal.

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So whether that's in a co-working situation where we're colleagues or even

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a vendor, client relationship, there's something so sticky about the Drupal

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community that I love without Drupal.

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I wouldn't have those close relationships. I got it.

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I'm sure. I mean, if a sociologist hasn't studied the community, they should, um, I'm going

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speak, digging and see if we can get someone in because you know, it, there

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is something amazing about the people.

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And I don't know, I could never put my finger on what differentiates it from all

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these other communities that I'm a part of and why that is always the case with

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people that I talk to about Drupal or

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What is your, uh, favorite Drupal memory or experience?

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So I have two. Um, the first one is I went to the Pantheon party for DrupalCon Austin

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and not just to set the stage, I still had that imposter syndrome.

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Going strong, even though I had just given my ROI talk earlier in the day, and

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I remember walking in to this party out there, party, beautiful party live band.

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And before I could move towards somebody that I knew this delightful stranger

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came up to me and was like Drupal.

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So I was like, yeah, Drupal.

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And he goes, Drupal! It gives me thishuge high five!.

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And I don't know, sometimes I still think about that moment

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because it was such an icebreaker.

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I don't even know this person's name, but it just fills me with so much joy.

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So that was, that was number one that like instant acceptance, you're

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part of a Drupal community you're in.

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Um, so that gave me all the warm fuzzies and then.

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Professionally. I think my favorite memory was going to Manhattan to pitch a

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really large insurance company.

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They hadn't picked Drupal yet. They were looking for someone to help them take on an entirely

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new direct consumer market.

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So it was me as the VP of digital strategy, Dave Terry, as the, of course,

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founding partner of Mediacurrent, but also complete genius when it comes to sales.

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Uh, Kevin Bass Rabb, who at the time was VP of delivery and Chris Doherty,

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um, as our creative director, so real tiny tight team and the odds

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were stacked so high against us.

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And we nailed that pitch.

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Like we just nailed it. And that was some of my favorite times that Mediacurrent, because it was getting

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in the trenches with a customer to learn what they were trying to achieve

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with their business and give up those moments of clarity or inspiration.

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So in this case, it was telling them something new about their current

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customers and helping them reach an untapped segment, because we were really

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trying so hard to empower customers with data, to make smart decisions for

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their business, to help their customers, which makes a lot of sense, you know,

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in an agency environment or even in a customer environment, like where I

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am at Red Hat growing our customer's business has been the best way to

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grow your own business because we depend on each other to be successful.

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Like we need our customers to be successful.

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So they continue to come back and invest in us.

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And we then get the privilege of continuing to improve the lives of

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everyone that interacts with their brand. It's that kind of, um, reach that you can't get in other industries.

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I think that's one of the favorite things about what I get to do is you know,

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that interaction with organizations and be able to solve problems in,

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in, in meaningful ways and see how it benefits them and their users.

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Um, I also think I finally figured out why your husband, you know, understands

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who all the Drupal people are because we're walking down the street.

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Drupal! Drupal! Someone says, yes, we're like, high five!

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Our, our secret handshake. Isn't a handshake. It's, it's a high five.

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Drupal high five.

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Oh man. That's awesome. That's a great way to be greeted.

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Um, Its so amazing.

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Like, yeah, that's the best way to welcome them.

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Welcome somebody in I'm going to try that in my next client pitch.

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So at the top of the show, we talked a little bit about this, you know, Drupal.

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Contributions to Drupal go way beyond code.

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And while code is really important and gets a lot of the credit Drupal, wouldn't

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be Drupal unless people contributed documentation and, and where we actually

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need the most help are the areas where you're an expert, you know, Drupal needs

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to be better marketed, better positioned, you know, we're, we're, we, we desperately

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need more people with your background to come to the website and say, not only do

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I belong here, but I can really help here.

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Um, so I'm curious what your first contribution experience was like,

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you know what it was, how it went.

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Um, I don't know what you remember around it.

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Um, so I don't have a commit to my name.

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I remember trying to do Drupal ladder and like curling into a ball.

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Crying years and years ago.

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So my definition of contribution is different.

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Um, my first one was hosting Drupal meet-ups in Orlando and

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giving free marketing workshops. So that's where I really got to know Drupal and help close the gap, which at

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the time was, felt like an ocean between marketing, business people, and Drupal.

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The unsung heroes, these, these local community organizers, uh, I've talked

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about this and some of the interviews in the past to me, they are the

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backbone of this community, you know, every well, you know, not so much

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with the pandemic, but, uh, you know, historically, you know, every week,

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every night, every city, there was a Drupal meetup somewhere in the world.

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And because of this robust local community, uh, I think that's a

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critical reason as to, you know, what drove Drupal to the, you

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know, the success its seeing today. And, um, you know, being a local community organizer, uh, is, is really challenging.

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It takes a tremendous amount of effort and, um, you know, uh, you

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guys deserve tremendous credit for, for doing all of that.

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Um, its been super fun.

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Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. Nonsense, um, of all of the contributions to Drupal that you've made.

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Is there something that you're like, oh, I did that, like, I'm really proud of that.

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Yeah. So it's, it's impossible for me to detangle the work that I contributed to

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Drupal the big organization versus the work that we've done with customers.

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And even though I love the thrill of launching some completely new

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high stakes, high stress, I think if I were to pick just one thing,

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I think it would be the strategy work we did with Truth Initiative.

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So the mission of truth initiative is to spread truth about smoking vaping,

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nicotine, and that hit home for me.

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My dad smoked his whole life and he died from lung cancer because of it.

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So working with Truth Initiative.

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It made me feel really connected to him.

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Cause at that, you know, my dad died when I was a kid.

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Um, so being able to help them get that research in front of as many people

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as possible and having that instant gratification, like instant in three

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months, gratification of seeing in hard numbers, more people reach their website,

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increases in organic search, 600 new keywords and search engine result pages.

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It was so personal for me and so meaningful, like that felt like

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such a win to be able to help them reach that, that new audience.

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It's one of the most fulfilling parts of what I get to do, um, is when, you know,

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like, I, I love all of our clients and, you know, and, and we get to work on some

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really exciting projects with clients.

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But when we do something that, that, that helps make the world a better

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place that helps, you know, people, you know, be better like that is

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fulfilling on a level that, you know, it just feels, you know, so to have

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that personal connection, you know, in addition to, to that, Um, it is amazing.

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And I think that, you know, I think one of the things that I've always loved

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about Mediacurrent is what you described.

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Like they did it, right. You know, the, the way that you give back to and contribute to open source

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is by scratching your own itch by, you know, doing things in an open source way

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and through the work that they did for their do work, they do for their clients.

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You know, they contributed back to open source.

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They still are a top contributor to the platform and that's the way it should be.

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It's not an afterthought, it's the way that you do things.

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And so I think it's great that, that your, uh, favorite contribution is

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inextricably linked to what you did as a commercial company in the ecosystem.

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If everybody did that, Drupal would be, you know, orders of magnitude

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greater, and that's where we need to be.

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Um, so what about, uh, Uh, contribution that you wish you could hide or, or

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this is all, this is one of my favorite questions because everybody sees, you

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know, your success, you know, and, and, and, and, and not everybody gets to see

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some of the things that got you there. And I think it's important to share, you know, that we all learned some lessons.

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Um, you know, so if you were to look back, you know, is there something

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where, you know, you're turning a little red or you're like, oh God,

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I, I can't believe I did that. Or I really wish I could change that.

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Oh, yes. I will probably turn red just in telling you this story.

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So I have a bit of a Type A personality, and I agonize over

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preparing for big presentations.

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So for my first DrupalCon talk, I remember editing my slides

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up until the very last minute. And of course, the night before I had the brilliant idea to talk about marketing

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automation, it was a win-win fit perfectly into the ROI talk that I was already

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moving towards at that point in time.

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Um, I think this was still in Drupal seven.

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We had just flipped over the marketing automation modules, like Pardot,

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Marketo, Eloqua into Drupal seven.

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And so I started adding the slides.

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Did I talk about this ahead of time with Adam Wade or Jay Callicott?

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The people pioneering those integrations with Drupal?

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No, I did not.

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Did I get a designer to help me make these flow charts and graphs?

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Nope. It was just me in my conference room typing away for these slides.

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Was it a total disaster? So no, the content was solid and I think it hit the audience, but I think

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I gave Adam Wade a mild panic attack.

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The moment I flipped to the slide to this new marketing automation flow chart

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that he hadn't seen before, I can still picture the way his eyes opened so wide.

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So I learned some lessons through that process.

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I you're, you're touching a, a personal note for me because you made me think,

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I can't remember off the top of my head, Lullabot you used to have like

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a conference series and it was like their first or second one of them.

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And they invited me to speak and it was the first time I'd

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ever spoken at like a big event. And I put together a presentation and I don't think it went as well as yours did.

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And I remember like, being so grateful for Jeff Eaton.

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I think I finished like at least 15 minutes early, maybe even more, because

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I was like so nervous and speaking so fast and like, and he like peppered

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me with questions and, you know, got into at least, you know, at least 10

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minutes early, but it was, oh yeah.

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I really hope that wasn't recorded Those people in the audience.

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They're like pure gold. The ones that can feed you the easy questions and let you run out the clock?

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Bless them.. I think

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one of the secrets to giving a great presentation is to

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have a plant in the audience. Someone who could like break the ice for that first question, because

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then the rest of the audience goes.

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Yes. Definitely.

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So when you think of all the things that you've learned along the way, is

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there something that you learned the hard way about Drupal where you're

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like, I really wish someone had told me about this or I want to share

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with other people because damn like,

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Yes. Oh man. It, especially knowing my background coming from that hardcore branding

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focus where, you know, you almost wore it a badge of honor, when you

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could bend something to your will. The lesson I learned, the hard way is.

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Don't fight it. Don't fight the system.

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If you can use something the way it was intended, that is a bazillion

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percent, what you should do, because there are people who put a ton of

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thought into how that module or distribution or whatever works.

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And if it fits your use case, awesome, don't fight it.

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Don't customize it to over-engineer it spend those innovation tokens wisely

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and do it on something that's going to really move the needle for your market.

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So on the flip, my advice to anyone working on Drupal projects

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is don't be an order taker from your clients or stakeholders.

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Don't just say yes and make something that you were going to hate.

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making part of your job has gotta be to partner with that person

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to figure out the problems.

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Those people are really trying to solve, because that's where

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we're going to see the most value. And where I am now in my role, it is the best part of my day when

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somebody tells me no and offers to give me a better path forward, because

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I know I don't know everything.

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And to have that conversation where we make the trade-offs.

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Like, if you go down this route, these are the dangers.

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If you go down this road, here are the other dragons you may encounter.

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That makes me feel really good about the ultimate decision we make,

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because we've explored everything.

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I've never liked being told. No, but it is much better when you come to me with a better idea, you

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say no, but I've got a great idea.

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Um, know, I think that's, I think that's really great advice for people because.

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Especially given, you know, the way that the community operates, you know, uh,

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you know, you, you can't fight things.

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You know, it really is a good, good point.

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You got to work within the system to get to where you want to be.

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And, um, you know, the, the more effort and energy you spend trying

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to fight it, the more you're just tiring yourself out and get nowhere.

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So, given your background in strategy, the fact that you've been in the

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community for over 10 years, what do you think the biggest threat to Drupal is?

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So I don't worry as much about people choosing Drupal for the first time.

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I worry about retaining and deepening the usage of Drupal and in existing adopters.

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Businesses are always, re-evaluating your budgets, spends, allocations.

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And now that I'm client side, I'm more aware of discussions happening around

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technology choices than ever before.

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And when you are staring down a huge migration from Drupal seven to Drupal

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nine, and it's going to take multiple quarters, or even a years, businesses

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are naturally going to be evaluating.

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If this is a good idea, or if this is the opportunity to pivot technologies into

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something that is easier, we all know there's no easy button in this space.

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Like it takes a long time because you probably customized your Drupal seven

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sites into the ground, but the people who are controlling the dollars, don't always

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have that story and awareness and context.

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That's my worry. No, I, I think you hit the nail on the head.

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You know, I've always thought of it as like the revolving door problem of Drupal.

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And it's great that eight has meaningfully addressed in solve this

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because historically every version of Drupal was a different platform.

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And to migrate from the previous to the new was like migrating

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from anything to anything. And so it forced you to step back and say, should I be doing this?

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What else is out there? Um, and so, you know, the easy upgrade path, um, and then the other thing,

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you know, it's great to hear you say, you know, uh, you know, w when we

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think of like a sales perspective, when you're at an organization, you

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think of like, you know, landing and expanding, you know, closing an account

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is extremely challenging and difficult.

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Once you're, you know, you're in an organization and you're proving your

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worth and showing success, you can expand into that organization and

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grow your business in a much more cost-effective and scalable manner.

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And it's, it's a really great idea that we. Uh, foster more in the community and it kinda, you know, like kind of blew

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my mind when you said it, because we, we talk about this all the time at the

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organizations we work at, you know, we're dealing with our customers, but I've

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never heard someone even at Acquia when their whole mantra was land and expand.

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I don't think I ever heard anybody say, this is how we need to approach

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Drupal community standpoint.

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Um, so it's really interesting how, you know, I, I think that that's something

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that we really got to double down on and, and, and, and get more of.

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Um, so where do you see Drupal going in the future?

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You know, if you had, uh, you know, uh, look down the telescope, if you could

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see, you know, even, you know, five, 10 years into the future, what do you see.

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So I personally think Drupal is going to keep lowering the barrier to entry

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for marketing, rich content, editorial experiences, and design focused people.

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Those groups are becoming more technical and there are often the

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people responsible for showing the ROI on digital investments.

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So enabling those types of people to iterate really quickly will help

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them grow their business, make them a believer and justify the investment

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in Drupal over something else. Wow.

34:04

Awesome. All right. We're I can't believe how much, how quickly time has flown

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by just looking at the clock. And I'm like, oh my. So I'm going to jump to the lightning round a couple of

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questions before we wrap up, uh, what comes to your mind immediately?

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Uh, first question, who are your Drupal mentors?

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I knew this was going to come. And I agonized over my answer here because I know as soon as we hang up, I'm

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going to think of like 15 billion other people that I should have mentioned.

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So I'm going to try to nail this.

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So, uh, uh, number one, Dave Terry, had a profound impact on my career.

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As a mentor. He let me bounce ideas off of him and gave me the room to try new

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things like found a whole department.

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And I learned so much about sales through his leadership.

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James Rutherford is beyond high on my list.

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I would literally follow James into a hurricane if he

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told me that was a good idea. So I've just seen him do the impossible from leading the architecture for

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really high profile enterprise Drupal websites to turning really

35:22

unprofitable projects into profitable projects while improving customer

35:29

satisfaction and driving sustainable revenue while supporting the team.

35:36

So I, I think the world of James, his superpower is really being

35:41

able to set the context for why a conversation matters broadly and

35:47

specifically to the people there.

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And he's a true consultant. He won't just tell you what you want to hear either.

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So I feel like every conversation with James is like a master class

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in how to be a great human being. And I have also asked unending questions to all of the ridiculously smart people.

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I have been lucky to work with, like Melissa Bent, Brian Gibson, Damien McKenna

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Bob Kepford, ----------,---------, Alex McCabe.

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So many I could keep going.

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That's I think the best part about the Drupal community so far

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is they haven't turned me away from asking so many questions.

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It's been amazing. It's a, it's hard.

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I, I love asking that question, but I know it's hard because it's like an

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Oscar speech you're like, and I, and I left out all these other amazing people.

36:38

Like I would never be here without, uh, it's.

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It's impossible to answer. Um, do you have a favorite or least favorite Drupal module or even feature

36:53

a lot of favorites or least favorites? A lot of favorites.

36:59

I feel like over time, most of the modules that I've really cared

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about have been sucked into core.

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And that's been really great to see. Um,

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I know you said you were a big fan of a DrupalCon

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Austin, and we've heard a lot about the Pantheon parties.

37:19

Excuse me. The recurring theme on the show.

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Um, uh, is, is that your favorite, uh, Drupal Conference or a camp?

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Uh, do you have another awesome Drupal conference or camp experience?

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I think DrupalCon Nashville might've been my favorite.

37:35

Okay. So DrupalCon Austin had that cool bull in the middle of the conference.

37:40

And so that was really fun. Can't miss out on the bull, but the fun thing about Nashville, I feel

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like the karaoke in particular was.

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Incredible. Just incredible karaoke, incredible music scene.

37:58

And the birds of a feather for Nashville were just really

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amazing, great conversations.

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Um, that's another thing I hope this was never recorded with some of

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the karaoke and Nashville pictures.

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Oh my God. You knew, uh, as you were saying that like visions pop in the back

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of my mind that I had completely forgotten about, um, that, yeah.

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Wow. That was a really good time.

38:33

Um, all right, one more question. Before we wrap it up, the penultimate question here, uh, where do you

38:39

go to learn more about Drupal? Um, the honest answer is I go to, uh, either Google Hangouts or slack.

38:50

So the communities in which I know friends and colleagues for Drupal and Google,

39:00

it's honest, but that's where I go.

39:04

And I do tend to prefer answers coming out of agencies and of course, drupal.org

39:12

and the, the dishonest answer is, the Tag1 Team Talks?.

39:20

All right, last question. Uh, pass the torch.

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Uh, James Rutherford said, Hey, you gotta, you gotta speak to Dawn.

39:28

Um, who should I interview next?

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So first I hope I made it worth your while.

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And this has been a fun talk. Um, second, I would probably say Jason Smith, I feel like Jason is kind of

39:42

famous for his work on weather.com.

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He's also solving some of our most complex Drupal challenges at Red Hat.

39:51

And with interviewing Jason, you get his like off the charts, genius brain,

39:58

and undoubtedly, a ton of dad jokes.

40:00

Like I think it's a win-win for you. Um, sold!

40:04

I'm a big fan of dad jokes and I had a couple of chances to meet him

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when he was working on some of the weather.com stuff with you guys.

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And I mean, that was just, you know, that was such a milestone for

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Drupal, uh, such an amazing project.

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And, and we, we definitely need to talk about that experience more

40:22

and, and talk to him in general. I will be sure to reach out, uh, Dawn, I wish we had more time.

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This was awesome. I really enjoyed chatting with you time flew by.

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And, uh, there, there's so much more, I'd love to talk about.

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This was a really great perspective. We need more, uh, folks on the show that can, you know, give

40:39

us the insights that you have. I really appreciate you joining me today, uh, to all our viewers.

40:45

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Dawn, thank you so much. And to all listeners again, thank you for tuning in take care.