As Kleynhans served as a Brigadier General in the South African Army, and spent a large part of his career running Psychological Operations (PsyOps) in what became known as the Border War, the conflict in South West Africa/Namibia prior to its independence in 1989. 

In a wide-ranging discussion, As talks about the history of the war, the challenges of taking on the Soviet and Cuban backed SWAPO and PLAN forces, the role of propaganda in war, lessons from running a 23 year counter-insurgency campaign, and the age-old tensions between soldiers and politicians.

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