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Hi and welcome to

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the Tali and Loz podcast where

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we discover spirituality

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together. And today with me, I

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have Susan Kinsey. Hello, hello

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Susan. And she is a lot of

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things, including energy healer,

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meditation teacher and sound

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healer. But today we are going

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to focus on meditation. Because

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Susan, I think there's even that

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people say, Oh, I've meditate or

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meditate on it, it's still a

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sort of mystery thing. It has a

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it has a mysterious vibe around

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it. And you're going to tell us

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what it does and how it how we

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can start. And also what it how

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it will help us really.

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So I think if I kind of

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start at the beginning of my

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journey, that's probably a good

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a good place to start. So I

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personally came into meditation

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when I was 14 on my 40th

1:06

birthday, and found myself

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sitting in a class in a lady's

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house in a studio. And I was

1:13

almost prescribed to go to the

1:18

class by my GP. And I was one of

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those, this isn't gonna work,

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it's gonna be total rubbish. And

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I sat there, and the lady guided

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the most beautiful meditation.

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And I found myself falling into

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a place that I didn't even know

1:37

existed. And it was, it was a

1:41

place of, of stillness. And I

1:41

had I was, I've been in sales

1:47

for many years, and I had a

1:47

really fast, busy life. And it

1:52

was almost like, you know, you

1:52

see these hamsters, and they're

1:55

on these wheels, and they're

1:55

just running and running and

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running, and they don't know how

1:58

to get off. Yes, it was almost

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like, someone had come down and

2:04

stop the wheel.

2:08

Right. And

2:12

there was about 10 people

2:12

in the room. And it was just so

2:17

beautiful. This, it sort of I

2:17

realized I was I could feel my

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body. And I could feel myself

2:21

sitting in the chair. And then I

2:26

started to cry because it was

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just, I wasn't crying from

2:30

sadness. It was I was crying

2:30

because it was like an epiphany.

2:34

Yeah. And I thought, this is I

2:34

need this in my life. So I felt

2:41

relaxed. I felt calm. I felt

2:41

peaceful. And I'd kind of felt

2:50

like I'd come home. Does that

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make sense? Yes,

2:53

definitely. Wow.

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But was that she was guiding.

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She was guiding the class. Yeah.

2:57

And you went with her? And but

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how did you feel when your GP

3:02

said you sort of prescribed you

3:06

to go there? Where you think

3:06

this is where you're at? Or

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like, what is he said to

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me? Because I had sort of been

3:14

suffering with anxiety and a bit

3:14

of stress. And I just kept

3:18

getting like cold after cold

3:18

after cold. And I just couldn't

3:22

get myself well. And he said to

3:22

me, I think it might be a good

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idea. If you try. Try to

3:26

meditate or try some

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mindfulness. And then I, I went

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online, and I just put

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meditation in Epsom, as you do.

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And this lady a Gillian Lenay,

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who was he's a fabulous teacher

3:42

just popped up. And I rang her

3:48

straightaway. And she said, I've

3:48

got one, one space left, and

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then tonight, and that was the

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light on my birthday. And I just

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went, wow, it was divinely

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timed, I think. And when I came

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out, when I came out of the

4:01

session, I'd had a bit of OCD in

4:07

my life. Do you know what that

4:07

is? Oh, yes, yes. So I always

4:11

checking my car wasn't it was

4:11

only very mild, but I realized

4:16

it was growing. And I'd always

4:16

check my car door like three or

4:20

four times, you know, is it

4:20

locked, it's locked. And I came

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out of her session. I got in the

4:24

car, and I felt great. And I

4:28

went home. And I got out of the

4:28

car and went into the house. And

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then I looked back at the car

4:34

from my window and I went, I

4:38

didn't check it. And it was a

4:38

moment where I realized I was no

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longer controlled by my anxiety.

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And I just sat I just sat on the

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floor in the lounge and I was

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like, I need to learn how to

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really develop this. Yeah, and

4:55

then and then over time, I'm

4:59

going to teach them And it was

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like, it was always like

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something lit inside me. And

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then lots of different events

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came into my life after that.

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Training with Sadhguru Have you

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heard of him?

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Oh, yes. Yeah, he's very good.

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Yeah, he's very, very

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good. So I did an in the in

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engineering free for a year.

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And, and he takes you into what

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I would consider a deeper level.

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So you learn about yourself?

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Yeah. And then I found myself

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bringing people into my life,

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you know, because they were

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saying, Oh, wow, you just a

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completely different person. So

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how has this happened? And I was

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meditating now, every day, twice

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a day. And so I started

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organically bringing people into

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my house and teaching them how

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to meditate to small groups,

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five, six people in my house.

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And one lady said to me, you

6:02

should run bigger groups more

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regularly. And so I did. So I

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just hired a whole. And people

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just kept kept coming and

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coming. And then I found some

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micro sanctuary in your village

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where I trained as a healer. And

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then, you know, more and more

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people were coming. And so the

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guided meditation technique that

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I use, is based around

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relaxation. So I know that you

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could go a lot deeper, and you

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could do sort of alternate nose,

6:42

breathing, you could do breath

6:47

work, which I do do that

6:47

sometimes. But I focus on the

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guided relaxation, because I

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think this is the most effective

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in this day and age. You know,

6:58

keeping keep it simple. Do

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you agree? Yes, I

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agree. Yes, I think is

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overthinking a lot of people.

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Especially when I'm doing events

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and talk about meditation, a lot

7:10

of people say, but I try it. And

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then after two minutes, I think,

7:14

oh, I need to get broccoli for

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groceries, or, you know, the

7:17

classic mind wandering off type

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of thing. What do you even

7:22

though when they listen to

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people, even when they have

7:25

guided meditation rather than

7:27

stillness? What do you How would

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you approach that to for them to

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do better really, for themselves.

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So I have, I have several

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different methods that are used

7:39

for different people. So when I

7:39

say when I trained, I used to

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use a candle flame. So Jillian

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Renee, she taught me so you

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light a candle in honor of the

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space. And then you because what

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some people find difficult is

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just to sit with themselves. So

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you gaze at the candle flame.

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And then you lower the eyes to

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about 50%. And then you gaze at

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the candle flame more and then

8:04

the eyes because they're being

8:04

held at 50%. You then let them

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close, and you rest with what's

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inside. And if your mind becomes

8:13

very busy and very distracted,

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you can then open your eyes

8:17

again. And you can gaze at the

8:17

candle flame and watch it

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flickering, it's very

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therapeutic to watch. And then

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you lower your eyes again. And

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then you completely close them.

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And over a period of time and

8:29

practice, what we find is when

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we light candles to practice the

8:34

meditation, the eyes naturally

8:39

dropped. It's almost like a pre

8:39

program. So it goes on. This is

8:43

the meditation space. I'm going

8:43

to close my eyes now and just

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relax. So that's there's one

8:46

one's kind of solution, I guess.

8:54

Yeah, the next solution is

8:54

counting the breath. So you will

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see bring yourself into

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awareness and close the eyes.

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And feel the weight of your body

9:04

on the couch, or chair or

9:07

wherever you are, and then count

9:07

the breaths or count one in and

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then to out and see if you can

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get 20 without getting

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distracted. So this is this is

9:17

to be honest, the practice that

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I teach most of my new clients.

9:22

So you breathe in for one out

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for two, and you keep going and

9:27

if you get to five and you start

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thinking about broccoli, or what

9:30

you have a potato and I don't

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don't beat yourself up, that's

9:35

actually a normal response. And

9:39

then what you do is you say,

9:39

Okay, I'm thinking about

9:42

broccoli, that's okay. I'm gonna

9:42

go back to one. And then over a

9:47

period of time might take a

9:47

couple of months, you will find

9:53

you'll get to maybe 10 or 15 or

9:53

20. And then when you get to 20

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you can let go and do see where

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it goes. And quite a few people

10:03

have said to me, I liked the

10:03

guided meditations. And I said

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to them, but the the guide that

10:07

in in the outbreath is more of a

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discipline. And meditation is

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quite as it is a discipline.

10:16

Yes. So I think, to keep it

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very, very simple. And to start

10:25

with something really simple,

10:25

like the light the candle flame.

10:29

Yeah. And then just counting the

10:29

breath.

10:32

Right? Just start

10:32

with that. Yes. And do you

10:35

reckon that it has to be a

10:35

certain amount of minutes or

10:41

poor people evening, five

10:41

minutes a day, that would help,

10:45

I think personally, I can

10:45

get a result for myself, if I'm

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in a stressful environment, or

10:51

if I feel tired or depleted, I

10:56

can get a result for myself for

10:56

probably just in a minute. So if

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I was your hair is really

11:00

powerful. So if I can just close

11:05

my eyes, and just feel the

11:05

weight of my body resting in the

11:09

space, and become very present

11:09

with the energy. So when you

11:16

find yourself becoming present,

11:16

this is a mindfulness technique

11:20

as well. So you become very

11:20

present, and you don't

11:25

necessarily have to have your

11:25

eyes closed to meditate. So if

11:31

you say, say, for an example,

11:31

you are sitting in a forest, or

11:35

your park or your garden, and

11:35

you bring your awareness to a

11:40

tree in front of you. So you

11:40

focus on, first of all, the

11:46

strength of the branch of the

11:46

trunk, reminding yourself of

11:50

your own strength, the leaves

11:50

and the movement of the leaves,

11:54

reminding yourself of your own

11:54

flexibility, and then the

11:58

colors, and then go back to your

11:58

breathing. And that in itself

12:04

can be a very beautiful

12:04

experience.

12:07

Yeah, yes, that's

12:07

true. So it's just being there.

12:12

Like in the now rather than

12:12

thinking about past or future,

12:16

isn't it?

12:18

And then now is, I think

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the now is a very precious

12:22

space, you know, we, we can

12:22

create almost a sacred moment

12:27

for ourselves, just by being

12:27

really present and honoring and

12:31

saying, saying to ourselves, you

12:31

know, out loud or silently if

12:35

it's, you know, if it's not

12:35

appropriate, you could just say,

12:38

I really love you. I really,

12:38

really love you. Yes. And that,

12:45

you know, there's lots of things

12:45

that can be done within the

12:47

meditative space. You know, we

12:47

can really honor the heart

12:51

space, we can really honor

12:51

ourselves and say, you know,

12:54

it's okay to feel sad if you're

12:54

feeling sad. So okay to feel

12:59

angry. If you're feeling angry.

12:59

You know, like, we were talking,

13:04

you were talking about the Now

13:04

moment, everything passes. So

13:09

know that every moment changes

13:12

ever. Yeah, even

13:12

now is passing? That's it? Yeah.

13:16

And how? How has it changed your

13:16

life? And how will it change

13:25

other people's lives? Is they

13:25

doing that discipline of

13:28

meditation quite regularly? Not

13:28

necessarily every day, even,

13:33

like, even three times a week or

13:33

two times a week? What do you

13:37

feel that what, what brings

13:37

people

13:41

so for me, what it's

13:41

brought me is and clients as

13:45

well, the feedback that I get

13:45

is, I always say, you're in

13:50

control. So you can, every

13:50

moment you can choose how to

13:55

respond to a situation. So you

13:55

can choose to respond to the

14:01

situation that you're in, if

14:01

you're very present, and

14:04

mindful, which is a natural

14:04

result of meditation. So you

14:09

could choose to be

14:09

compassionate, not that you have

14:13

to be kind of a doormat, you

14:13

know, I mean, you can choose to

14:16

be you can still be boundaried

14:16

you can choose to be

14:19

compassionate. And you could

14:19

choose to be angry if you want

14:23

to be because anger isn't a bad

14:23

energy, if it's used in the

14:26

right way. Yes, you know, and

14:26

sometimes we need to be cross

14:31

about a situation for it to

14:31

change. So, I think for

14:36

meditation, when you're very

14:36

mindful of a situation in your

14:39

present, you can then choose how

14:39

to respond because you have I

14:45

think it just gives you more compassion.

14:47

Yeah. To watch

14:47

yourself as well, I suppose

14:50

mainly, yourself, then

14:50

accepting, accepting things. I

14:56

think for me when I was I've

14:56

lost a bit I have been in

15:01

contact with meditation myself

15:01

as well, I'm trying to get back

15:04

into it. But especially when I

15:04

was really deep in meditation, I

15:09

think, because it came from

15:09

difficult situation with divorce

15:13

and after IVF and all that

15:13

stuff, I think it gave me the

15:20

ability to process everything

15:20

properly, properly. I had a lot

15:28

of dreams at the time as well,

15:28

but very strong dreams. I

15:33

remember my dreams anyway, I'm

15:33

very good and dream recalling

15:36

since I was a child, it's like a

15:36

natural ability. But at the

15:39

time, it was all over the place.

15:39

I've written books about what I

15:44

was dreaming. But I think during

15:44

that meditation, I took those

15:47

dreams often for myself, and

15:47

connect them on what I was going

15:53

through at the time. So I think

15:53

it's almost like your own. Yeah,

16:01

like, you're making everything

16:01

right in your brain properly.

16:05

Process. Everything is like your

16:05

own therapy. Almost. Yes,

16:10

that's a good word. And I

16:10

think also, we're born with this

16:14

inner compass, like a satellite

16:14

navigation system. And I think

16:18

when we're very present with

16:18

using meditation and

16:23

mindfulness, obviously, when

16:23

we're present, we can then

16:26

become very aware of what we're

16:26

aligned to, and what we're not.

16:31

Yes. And we can then you know,

16:31

when you get that, that tight

16:35

feeling in the body when things

16:35

aren't quite right. And you can

16:39

say to yourself with compassion.

16:39

I gotta let that go. Yes. And

16:46

when you we let that go. We let

16:46

go with grace. Yeah. And I

16:50

think, you know, meditation,

16:50

mindfulness can teach us this,

16:53

it brings grace into our life in

16:53

a big way. And then you find

16:58

yourself living a life of

16:58

harmony. Yeah. Harmonic beings,

17:04

which was supposed to be you

17:04

know, we have these amazing

17:06

voices were harmonic beings.

17:06

Yeah. So does that answer? What

17:11

does that answer your question?

17:12

I think so. Yeah, I

17:12

think it's very, my listeners,

17:16

often they know about, they know

17:16

about meditation. But some of

17:21

them are struggling to get in

17:21

touch. And I have a question

17:26

also for you, which sort of

17:26

relates to what I just said,

17:29

like myself when I was very,

17:29

very deep into meditation, all

17:32

that stuff, but now I'm sort of

17:32

struggling. What do you

17:36

recommend a should be doing?

17:41

I mean, if you're

17:41

struggling with meditation, I

17:44

would personally kind of take

17:44

the struggle out of your life

17:49

and think, what it first thing

17:49

what do I enjoy doing most?

17:55

What? And bring some joy back

17:55

into your life? Yeah. So

18:00

sometimes, I mean, I don't know

18:00

if you I think we spoke about

18:04

this, I run retreats as well.

18:04

And on the retreats, we do a

18:07

mindfulness walk. Yes, med

18:07

meditative forest walk. So it's

18:13

because some people come to me

18:13

and they say, so I can't sit

18:16

still. I just, you know, I'm

18:16

struggling with this meditation

18:20

because I'm struggling to sit

18:20

with myself. And I said, you

18:22

know, what, there's a was a

18:22

really famous guy.

18:25

Unfortunately, he's passed away

18:25

now called Titchener. Han. And

18:29

he taught a meditative style of

18:29

walking. So you, if you enjoy

18:36

walking in nature, so you walk

18:36

at the your normal pace, walk in

18:41

silence, this is very important.

18:41

And you walk slowly. And you

18:47

greet the breath as it comes in.

18:47

And you kiss the ground as

18:51

you're walking with your feet.

18:51

And you release any tension as

18:56

you breathe out. So if you greet

18:56

the breath as it comes in, like

19:01

a, like a good friend, and

19:01

embrace the breath, and then as

19:04

you breathe out, breathing out

19:04

anything that doesn't really

19:08

serve you anymore. What you're

19:08

doing is you're moving your

19:12

brain states into into a

19:12

meditative state. Yeah. And then

19:19

you might find, suddenly, you

19:19

become very aware of the bird

19:24

noise, but sound, you become

19:24

very aware of the trees and the

19:29

brightness of the Tres. And you

19:29

realize all of a sudden, you're

19:35

actually meditating and your

19:35

brainwaves slow down to what

19:38

they call theta. When you're in

19:38

a creative space, what I call an

19:44

inspirational zone. And then

19:44

this is the time to say to

19:48

yourself, you're doing okay,

19:48

yeah, you're meditating. You're

19:53

doing well, and almost to, you

19:53

know, to be pleased with that,

19:57

and I think some times when we

19:57

have a busy life and live does

20:04

go 110 miles an hour, sometimes.

20:04

It's just recognizing what you

20:09

really like to do, first of all,

20:09

and do more of that. It might be

20:15

that you like walking, you might

20:15

say, I really like walking in

20:17

nature, so but can't sit still

20:17

and meditate. Yeah, if you slow

20:22

down when you're walking, walk

20:22

in silence. This is a meditative

20:26

experience.

20:28

Right? So it

20:28

doesn't have to be always said

20:31

still? No, because they do say

20:31

yoga is also a form of

20:34

meditation. Do you agree on that

20:34

as well,

20:37

I totally agree with

20:37

that. And I have lots of friends

20:41

that do all different types of

20:41

activities, metta, meditation,

20:46

yoga, pilates, tai chi, some of

20:46

them even really love running.

20:51

And they find that almost

20:51

meditative, because because they

20:54

get into a rhythm. Yeah. And

20:54

they like to run with no headset

20:58

on you know, just to get into

20:58

the rhythm, feel the breath. And

21:02

I think it's about returning

21:02

home to what you truly, truly

21:07

aligned with and what you truly

21:07

love to do. And then, sometimes,

21:12

if you're walking out in nature,

21:12

let's use that as an example. So

21:15

you're walking out in nature,

21:15

you've been walking silently.

21:19

And then you might see a bench,

21:19

sit down on the bench. Don't put

21:24

any pressure on yourself to

21:24

meditate. But what you might

21:29

find naturally happens is you

21:29

start to do it anyway.

21:35

Right? Because

21:35

you're already in that zone,

21:37

like your brain waves already

21:37

slowed down, going to DITA Pisa.

21:45

And then, when you sit down, it

21:45

sort of continues that way.

21:51

You know, and I think

21:51

what I found in life is when

21:54

I've put a lot of pressure on

21:54

myself to meditate, an hour in

21:58

the morning, an hour in the

21:58

evening, half an hour at

22:00

lunchtime, it feels like a

22:00

challenge, and not a pleasurable

22:06

activity. So I took that out of

22:06

my life. And I said, That's too

22:11

much. I'm going to go back to

22:11

the walking. Yeah, the walk,

22:17

walk with clients, walk by

22:17

myself. And then kind of start

22:23

from basics again, go back to

22:23

basics. Yeah. And, you know, if

22:28

you've got a really good yoga

22:28

teacher or a Pilates teacher,

22:31

that the end of the class you

22:31

find they do that lovely kind of

22:34

yoga nidra, don't they? And love

22:34

that. That is a meditation. So

22:39

you can you'll find that when

22:39

your body is aligned, and all

22:42

the energy centers are

22:42

recalibrated. You find that when

22:48

you're laying down in a state of

22:48

peace and stillness, you can

22:53

actually go quite deep in that

22:53

space. Yes. Might be five

22:57

minutes. Yeah. Right. It helps.

23:02

Yes. And how do you

23:02

view these metals? You have a

23:08

lot of meditation apps, for

23:08

example. How What's your finding

23:13

on those? You're saying they are

23:13

a massive help to people is the

23:18

right people,

23:19

I think is whatever you

23:19

resonate with at the time, so I

23:24

like I like listening to sort of

23:24

podcasts, philosophical

23:29

podcasts. And generally what I

23:29

find sometimes listening to

23:34

someone who has a rhythmical

23:34

voice, and who is present

23:38

someone or Eckhart Tolle, yeah,

23:38

that can be a meditative

23:42

experience in its own right.

23:42

Right. Because he's, he's very

23:47

present. Yeah.

23:49

He's here. He's here.

23:51

He's here, right? He's

23:51

definitely some sort of profit,

23:55

I think, I feel so just to

23:55

listen to him. If you're aligned

24:01

to him, and if you feel good

24:01

when you're listening, you could

24:04

carry on or you could listen to

24:04

as an app called calm. Yeah. I

24:10

think it's whatever we need,

24:10

really listen to your gut. So if

24:15

you switch or if you switch your

24:15

podcast or no fuse switch or

24:18

meditation or guided meditation,

24:18

if you feel a bit agitated or

24:22

tight, then that's a good sign

24:22

that is probably not aligned to

24:26

you. Yeah. But there's a million

24:26

others out there. So we could

24:31

just think you know, maybe I

24:31

need someone who talks possibly

24:36

more, more or less

24:39

or less Are you

24:39

sick? Well, yeah, this is

24:42

another question is your sound

24:42

healer as well. And there's a

24:46

lot of sound healing out there.

24:46

Also on the on the meditation

24:50

apps, and certain habits as well

24:50

resonate with certain chakras.

24:57

Do you find that they bring us

24:57

do cheaper, then spoken

25:03

meditations? Or do you think

25:03

there's not much of a

25:05

difference? Again, it's all

25:05

about resonating with one,

25:10

I think it's about

25:10

resonating. And in sort of

25:15

sound, the sound training that I

25:15

had from the British Academy of

25:18

sound therapy they taught us,

25:18

it's about more about the

25:22

science background. So looking

25:22

at different ways of moving you

25:28

into relaxation, or reflection,

25:28

says, the two very different

25:33

sound bars. So relaxation, sound

25:33

bath, just generally has a

25:38

different feel to it. A

25:38

reflection sound bath tends to

25:43

go a lot deeper. And I would say

25:43

that, if you can find someone

25:50

that does both, so if you can

25:50

find someone that leaves guides

25:54

you into theta into a meditative

25:54

state, and then have the

26:00

soundbar over overlapping.

26:03

That can be

26:03

brilliant. Yeah, that's very

26:05

powerful.

26:06

It's very, very powerful.

26:06

And I think if you can find

26:10

someone, if it's online, or if

26:10

it's face to face, who's very

26:15

present? And, you know, you can,

26:15

you know, you meet someone, and

26:21

you can tell they're present,

26:21

can't you? Yes. I think if you

26:25

can find someone like that,

26:25

that's going to be brilliant.

26:29

Are you?

26:31

And are you the

26:31

person the online classes as

26:33

well?

26:34

I do. I've been doing.

26:34

I've been doing this for about

26:38

10 years. So I teach online for

26:38

people who like to be at home.

26:43

And for people who don't live

26:43

close to me. And I do that every

26:47

other week. And I've been doing

26:47

that pre COVID. And then we just

26:51

carried it on after Oh, good,

26:51

because it works. Because it

26:55

works. Why break something when

26:55

you know, try try and fix

26:58

something, you know. And I also

26:58

run local classes for people in

27:05

the local area. So your village

27:05

and at Walton on the hill. And I

27:10

do those once a month. And the

27:10

energies at the venues are

27:17

different. So the St. Michael

27:17

sanctuary energy is very

27:21

nurturing. It's it's it's a very

27:21

sacred space. It's very

27:28

nurturing. It's very holding,

27:28

embracing energy. And the other

27:33

space that I use the correspond

27:33

the inner sanctum there. It's

27:40

it's, it's very difficult to

27:40

explain until you go there. So

27:44

it's it's a very clear, clean

27:44

space, the energy is very clear.

27:49

And it's very light. Most people

27:49

who go into the space say, Oh, I

27:55

just feel different. So I can't

27:55

put my finger on it. And I said,

27:59

Do you feel like they see? Yeah,

27:59

I feel like I am made of light.

28:04

Oh, wow. So it's

28:04

the more like almost like higher

28:10

beings? I a bit. Yes. Yeah.

28:10

Yeah.

28:13

I totally agree with that

28:13

statement. Yeah.

28:16

Wow. So that's

28:16

great for if you want, if you

28:20

have also customers that want to

28:20

develop that a bit more? Yes. If

28:24

you have that light, high energy

28:24

around that big, right. There's

28:29

some really good crystals out

28:29

there as well. Like, your lives,

28:32

your lives. If you put that in

28:32

that room, that will be okay.

28:38

going, Oh, I

28:38

know. I can see. And

28:38

that's the thing, like I can see

28:42

just chatting to you that you

28:42

are aligned to that. Because you

28:46

when you said that you just lit

28:46

your voice you just lit up. So I

28:52

can see you became very

28:52

animated. And you lit up. So

28:55

yeah, yeah, yeah. So just you

28:55

know, it's when you notice that

29:00

and when you notice that in

29:00

others is to encourage that

29:04

space to do that

29:04

space. Yeah, that's true. Wow.

29:08

That's

29:08

beautiful, though. It's so cool. It's a calling it's your calling

29:10

is yes. Um, I am

29:10

very much in my crown. But I

29:17

know I should, I should focus a

29:17

bit more like on my route at the

29:21

moment. And that's, that's

29:21

difficult for me even though you

29:24

always have to start with your

29:24

route. But I mean, I'm a

29:28

Sagittarius and I've got four

29:28

fire archetypes and a dragon in

29:32

Chinese Zodiac says a lot of

29:32

fire going on. It's very hard

29:35

for fiery people to be, you

29:35

know, in your routine, your

29:38

sacred. Like to go 1000 miles an

29:38

hour with our crown and third

29:43

eye

29:43

but okay. Yeah, that's

29:43

okay. That's okay, though. I

29:47

mean, it's, it's, you could use

29:47

that as a strength actually, I

29:51

think.

29:52

Perhaps, yes.

29:55

Sadhguru talks about

29:55

sometimes grounding and his is a

29:58

little joke that he said it

29:58

joke, but I think he says it,

30:01

you know, sometimes jokes can

30:01

have meaning can't know. Yes.

30:04

And he says go outside and dig

30:04

yourself a hole that's one foot

30:09

deep, if go deeper if you can,

30:09

and then put your feet in it and

30:14

bury your feet so and stay there

30:14

for half an hour. And that's

30:20

grounding that is grounding.

30:22

But that's pretty nice if you're on a beach or something like on a sand beach

30:23

especially, or it's so nice to

30:28

put your feet literally in the

30:28

ground. That's great. Yeah, I'm

30:31

not sure if my local park,

30:31

people appreciate me digging a

30:35

hole in the subject to talk. But

30:39

we know where you've

30:39

been. Yeah, exactly. I love

30:43

that.

30:45

Really. And then

30:45

also, you briefly mentioned you

30:50

also organize retreats.

30:53

I do. And this is the

30:53

second space that I was talking

30:56

about, you know, we talked about

30:56

the light, bright space is the

31:00

Cosmo on sanctuary, water on the

31:00

hill. And I do these with a very

31:06

good friend, Linda Sadler, who

31:06

was one of the founding members

31:10

of the sound movement from way

31:10

back there. And so we run day

31:16

retreats, which offer we do a

31:16

couple of sound bars, we kind of

31:23

do a bit of forest bathing, we

31:23

have amazing vegan food and

31:28

Goddess cake. So it, we take

31:28

small groups of about 11 people

31:33

and we really, really look after

31:33

you for the day. So it's so it's

31:39

about says lots of things to

31:39

talk about healing, sound

31:43

bathing. But ultimately, what

31:43

we're doing is were bringing

31:48

that person into the present

31:48

moment, and helping them holding

31:54

the space for them to recognize

31:54

what they're aligned with.

31:57

Yeah,

31:58

it's it's just holding their hand, you know?

32:00

Yeah, but it's

32:00

still it's still all of us

32:02

around meditation as well bring

32:02

that person back to the now.

32:06

Yes. What kind of people they

32:06

often find come come to you, is

32:11

it often busy ladies? Or is it

32:11

real ladies? Or stay at home

32:18

moms raising them right mixture

32:18

these days? I would

32:21

say a huge mixture. If

32:21

I'd be really honest, I have

32:24

people in their early 20s 2122

32:24

going right up to people sort of

32:31

80s One lady in her 90s. And

32:31

yeah, so we'll say that it's

32:37

it's mainly women, but I do get

32:37

guys coming in, which I love

32:42

because it just changes the

32:42

energy. And and I love that. So

32:47

you know, it's not primarily

32:47

women's retreat, we do keep the

32:51

space open to all. And we tend

32:51

to find that most people who

32:58

come I would say they're seeking

32:58

something. And what we do is we

33:04

just talk about alignment, and

33:04

what you resonate with. Most

33:09

people enjoy the walk in the

33:09

woods, they enjoy the sound

33:12

bathing the great food, and I

33:12

say to them at the end, how can

33:17

you bring that into your life in

33:17

a bigger way? Yeah. don't

33:22

necessarily have to sit and

33:22

meditate every day to bring joy

33:28

into your life. Could be you

33:28

know, one lady was talking to me

33:32

about setting up a jewelry

33:32

school making jewelry and she

33:35

said I really aligned to that.

33:35

So yes, well, why don't you do

33:39

it, then? Yeah, she's now runs

33:39

during making classes.

33:43

Oh, that's amazing.

33:43

Yes.

33:46

So it's not so people

33:46

don't necessarily come come into

33:50

the space who are looking for

33:50

huge transformational changes.

33:54

They're just looking for subtle

33:54

changes to release some anxiety.

34:01

And to understand that, you know

34:01

what, it's okay, if you don't

34:05

feel great all the time. And we

34:05

talk about everything changing,

34:12

you know, we talk about holding

34:12

the space for yourself and for

34:15

others and to recognize that,

34:15

you know, we're Divine Beings of

34:19

Light, you know, and it's when

34:19

you remember that it's it's very

34:24

powerful.

34:27

I think too much

34:27

thinking these days. And I think

34:30

also with all the news that's

34:30

going on. Yeah, I think it

34:34

brings people very much into

34:34

their shell and maybe a bit

34:38

scared on the inside as well. So

34:38

all what if this happened? What

34:42

if that happens? And I think

34:42

then people like you that teach

34:47

us how to meditate or bring

34:47

light to other people's wives

34:50

are very important because we

34:50

all need that light moment that

34:55

we all need to hear quite often

34:55

it's going to be okay. It's

34:59

going to be okay. And, and don't

34:59

get caught too much caught up on

35:04

what you hear or what you see in

35:04

the news because that's not

35:07

light. It's not like it is.

35:11

It isn't. And I think

35:11

cultivation is a really good

35:14

thing. So people, some people

35:14

say, Oh, keep away from the

35:18

fear. But I think if you just

35:18

stay with what you're aligned

35:21

with and cultivate that, yes. So

35:21

if you're not aligned to

35:25

watching the news, then don't

35:25

watch it. No, you can still keep

35:30

up with current affairs in your

35:30

own way. Yeah. And, and trust

35:34

me, it will come to you anyway,

35:34

anyway. But I think cultivate is

35:38

a really lovely word. And if you

35:38

cultivate with what you resonate

35:42

with, what brings you joy, and

35:42

what brings you peace, then

35:47

that's going to be relatively

35:47

helpful, I would say

35:51

yes. And that's

35:51

what the meditation and bring

35:54

yourself back to you and back.

35:59

And be open minded.

35:59

That's the main thing.

36:01

That's the main

36:01

thing. thing we should have

36:03

started I think, should have

36:03

reversed that. We should

36:08

definitely our podcast is very

36:08

much for open minded people with

36:14

the subjects that we touch.

36:14

Yeah. And I think it's, it's a

36:18

beautiful community once you're

36:18

in there. So many people that we

36:21

need. Yeah, open mind. It's the

36:21

most beautiful thing.

36:25

I mean, I think

36:25

everything is divinely timed. I

36:28

think, you know, when you feel

36:28

like you're in flow, lean into

36:33

it. Really, really trust the

36:33

universe and lean in. That's my

36:37

biggest message. When you're in

36:37

flow. Lean right into the

36:40

universe and trust and trust.

36:40

And when you're not in flow,

36:44

pull back. Yes. And cultivate

36:44

what you lean in with.

36:49

A pullback is the

36:49

meditation that you're talking

36:52

about?

36:53

Well, not necessarily. I

36:53

think when something isn't when

36:55

you're not in flow with

36:55

something, you just step back

36:58

out of the energy and then

36:58

possibly find something else

37:01

that you're in flow is yes,

37:01

that's the meditation can help

37:05

you with that, because it makes

37:05

you very present. So you can

37:08

feel you can really feel that in

37:08

the body.

37:11

Yeah. Yeah,

37:11

exactly. Yeah, that doesn't make

37:13

sense. Yeah. That's beautiful.

37:16

Thank you. It's been nice, nice chatting to you. Anyway, it's been lovely. Yes.

37:19

Thank you. So I

37:19

will definitely put your details

37:22

into the description. Okay,

37:22

thank you very much. Yeah, you

37:26

can find Susan and her retreats

37:26

and her online classes as well

37:30

in the links. And meditation is

37:30

something beautiful. Let's start

37:34

all with this. And for the

37:34

listeners, this is the second to

37:37

last episode for this season.

37:37

One more to go. There will be

37:41

about yoga and yeah, share the

37:41

love and thank you so much for

37:45

listening. Thank you so much.