0:15

Pushkin. Being

0:24

good at comedy was really hard for me, because

0:26

to be a good comic you really have to master a lot

0:28

of your demons, and that was the hardest

0:30

part. Getting on stage writing jokes like that was the easy

0:32

part for me, But I realized I really had to

0:35

be able to be authentic, be able to like make eye contact

0:37

with people, like shit that I just like never

0:39

got, shit that I never learned.

0:42

I had to like pick an opinion, like,

0:44

so, you know, my ship was so

0:46

much like, Oh, you're into

0:49

punk rock, I'm in a punk rock you're in a country music. I'm

0:51

a I was like a shape shifter just because I wanted

0:54

people to like me so badly. But that doesn't work in

0:56

comedy. You have to have a really specific opinion. You

0:58

have to say what you mean, you have to mean what

1:00

you say, and you have to be okay with people disagreeing

1:02

with you. You have to want people

1:04

to laugh at you, but you can't need people

1:07

to like you. That

1:09

was Whitney Cummings. I'm San Fragoso

1:11

and this is Talk Easy. Welcome

1:14

to the show. Hey

1:41

everyone, I'm San Fragoso, this is

1:43

Talk Easy, and we've been on

1:45

hiatus for the past month, but we

1:47

are back and every

1:50

Sunday morning from now

1:52

through I believe Christmas.

1:55

There may be one week off for Thanksgiving or

1:57

something, but I think until Christmas

2:00

we will have a new episode for you

2:03

every Sunday morning. So if

2:06

you like this show, or if you're listening

2:08

for the first time, please

2:10

come back and check out who we have

2:13

on. So many good people have

2:16

decided to sit down

2:18

with me. A short list includes

2:21

Peter Bogdanovitch, Justin Simeon, Gloria

2:23

Steinham, Laura Dern. There's

2:26

other people too, Wesley Morris,

2:30

so many wonderful, talented, smart,

2:33

interesting folks. So if

2:36

any of those people sound a little

2:38

bit interesting to you, be sure

2:40

to come back. Today on

2:42

the podcast is Whitney Cummings.

2:45

I love this person. I did

2:48

not know her before having her on the show. If

2:50

you're not familiar with her, I

2:52

don't know what to tell you. You You got to get familiar with her. She's

2:55

one of the best stand up comedians working

2:57

today. And not

3:00

only is she as funny as

3:02

the sort of work she puts out into the world,

3:05

but she has a level of self awareness

3:08

that comes across in every

3:10

bit of this conversation and

3:13

so for the next hour, you're gonna

3:15

hear me try my best to

3:18

keep up with her. Sometimes I succeed,

3:21

sometimes I fail. But she

3:24

is a wonderful stand up comedian who

3:27

has a new special out called

3:29

Can I Touch It? Currently available to

3:31

stream on Netflix. It is

3:35

excellent, timely, really

3:38

fucking funny, and I

3:41

don't like to curse in the intros, but I just

3:43

cursed. You know what, It's Whitney Cummings. I'm

3:45

cursing. Forgive me. Like

3:48

every episode of this podcast, I

3:50

think we hit a wide

3:52

range of topics, including

3:54

her upbringing in a crowded home, how

3:57

she uses stand up comedy to stay sane,

4:00

things about the me Too movement

4:02

that we are in, her start

4:04

here in la as a young comedian

4:07

in a field dominated by men, primarily

4:11

white men, and really

4:13

so much more. It is as

4:15

fun as I think these episodes get

4:18

because Whitney's fun and so

4:21

much more. I say this often

4:23

on the show, but I genuinely

4:26

hope this next

4:28

hour is as fun to

4:30

listen to as it was to record, because

4:33

I had an absolute blast doing this. So

4:36

check out her new special. It's called Can

4:38

I Touch It? It's genuinely

4:41

good, I'm not promoting it

4:43

because I have to or

4:45

because I'm trying to be polite. It's actually

4:48

just wall to wall, very

4:50

funny and vulnerable

4:53

and honest in the ways that specials

4:56

good specials sometimes

4:58

can be. So it's called

5:00

Can I Touch It? It's on Netflix now and

5:03

here finally is Whitney

5:05

Cummings like

5:17

a sitcom falling in love

5:19

moment? Yeah? Well that's good. She's just

5:21

like the sweetest person. What we're doing falling

5:23

in love? Yeah? I don't think so. I hope not. It's

5:25

too really feel Yeah, I don't think

5:27

I've ever fallen in love at ten? How

5:30

many times have you been in love? What kind of podcast

5:32

is? Tell me everything only once? How old are you?

5:34

Twenty four? Okay, that's fine. That's

5:36

too many times, frankly, really, one

5:38

time is too many times. I think Tim's

5:41

rolling already. So this could be in Oh? Is it is this

5:43

starting? Oh? It didn't plan on it, but we can have it

5:45

in here. Um, well, what's your definition

5:47

of love? That's probably oh, because you might

5:49

have been loved more than you think or less anything.

5:51

Oh, I think I may have been loved more, I'm

5:53

saying, but you asked me when I was in love. Yeah,

5:56

I think it's one maybe one and a half times. How

5:58

long did it take for you to realize

6:00

you were in love? When you were in love like six

6:03

months or so? You think, uh, six

6:05

months? That enough time? What was it

6:07

depends on how much time spent together and what

6:10

your childhood was like. Great,

6:12

So how what was the moment where

6:14

you were like, I'm in love with this person? I

6:17

feel like I always find out through a negative

6:20

I'm like that hurt. Oh shit, I'm

6:22

in love? Yeah? Can we

6:24

curse on this? Yeah? You're allowed to curse. Okay, I

6:27

don't. I don't want to though. Okay, I'm working

6:29

on changing my brand. What I

6:33

know, I'm choking. I'm trying to curse

6:35

less in general. I don't see. The thing is I think

6:37

you are joking and not joking. You

6:40

just summed up my personality in

6:43

one sentence in a weird fortune. The

6:45

research show that also really

6:47

yeah, the research because you don't

6:49

know me. We've never met. No, we don't know. What do you

6:51

think about me? I'm

6:54

always curious, what do you mean? What

6:56

do I don't know? It's just podcasts, Like, what

6:59

do you think about me? I think

7:01

you're, well, I'll get there, but I'm just saying podcasts

7:03

you haven't understand. For comedians were

7:05

used to having a one way

7:08

loop. There's not a lot of feed

7:10

There's there's laughter, but having

7:13

to like look at someone in the face and make eye contact

7:15

with them. Podcasts are like going on dates,

7:18

right kind of they are, and

7:21

everyone gets to listen. Everyone gets

7:23

to listen, and it's

7:25

it's rare as comedians that were like, so what do you

7:27

We don't get a ton of like verbal feedback from

7:30

smart people. We just get like haha or like fuck

7:32

you kind of you know, I hope to give

7:34

you all three of those things, genuine

7:37

emotional feedback, laughing and fuck

7:39

you, and I think thank you. I already am

7:41

feeling that confluence of vibes.

7:44

But I also don't do a good enough job

7:47

understanding how I'm

7:49

perceived, so I can spend the whole hour

7:51

trying to fix it. Why

7:54

are you covering your mouth instead of laughing? Do you know

7:56

why your listeners? Do I know that you?

7:58

I'm amusing you? No? No, no, you're amusing me. I want

8:00

people to know that. Okay, don't not like I was going to almost

8:03

cough and I was trying to protect it. It

8:05

was like, so I'm making you sick, lily.

8:09

He just started coughing and he looks nauseous.

8:11

Do I really very pallid? No you don't. Oh, thanks,

8:14

No, I think you're very handsome. You're like Pixie,

8:17

pixie girl, Pixie dream Girls,

8:19

dream guy. This

8:21

is really a first. I'm going to tell you what I just

8:23

said. Yeah, no one said that to me. Really, Yeah,

8:25

what do people say if we kind of monsters? Are you hanging out?

8:28

I'm not hanging out with monsters. I'm just saying, so I

8:30

kick your foot? Yes, you did. You just kicked me. This is

8:32

not getting off on the wrong foot. Literally,

8:34

your foot just kicked my foot.

8:37

Unbelievable. You know something, I

8:39

don't want to give a perception. I don't want

8:41

to offer a perception because I have no

8:43

interest in you spending any period. I have

8:45

no interest in you.

8:48

You know what, now I feel myself falling in love

8:50

with you deeply. Okay, great, No,

8:52

because I don't want you to have to spend your time convincing

8:56

me of someone that you are or are not. I

8:58

already feel myself trying to convince you

9:00

that I'm like hip I show

9:02

up to this podcast studio. You guys, it's

9:05

like Nashville. You. I'm

9:07

driving down this street. Everything is

9:09

like so hip that

9:11

it's painful, Like Jack White built

9:14

a street and I just parked

9:16

on it in my dorky

9:18

like norm core outfit. And

9:20

then I don't.

9:24

I didn't. I forget what your pants looks like. I don't think

9:26

see your torso um, but you're

9:28

you're very hip. You're very like Nashville

9:32

prom king vibes.

9:34

So I already feel like the mainstream

9:36

dork who's coming in here, who doesn't

9:38

have any bands on my playlist with the word Wolf

9:41

or Fox in it. It's odd oddly

9:43

enough, I don't either, So it's okay. Really yeah,

9:45

like you love Katie Berry plot twist,

9:49

No, but but I don't have any Fox

9:51

or those sort of Indiemans. That's

9:54

your favorite band? Is like

9:57

ever? Yeah, no, let me guess,

10:00

sex pestalls, no Beck,

10:02

no bright eyes, not

10:04

gonna get it. Come, I am going to get it. You're

10:07

gonna be that like Bob Dylan Bob

10:09

Marley plot twist. I'm not gonna

10:11

let you answer. First of all, I'm not even gonna let you tell

10:13

me the answer. It's like to be your friend, by the way.

10:16

No, I just I'm like so excited

10:20

to be wrong right now. I've

10:22

never been more interested in being wrong. Okay,

10:24

that's a good thing. Good, that's healthy to be wrong. Yeah.

10:26

Um first da first concert everyone

10:28

too was Stevie wonder. See.

10:31

That's the coolest thing you could possibly

10:33

say. You just outcooled yourself. God

10:36

damn it, it's not intentional. Okay,

10:39

that was the first concert you ever went to where Chicago.

10:41

I was born and raised in Chicago. Really were Whitney?

10:44

I tried to not google you. Oh, I'm

10:46

trying to get and then I'm trying. I

10:49

tried not to. Um no,

10:51

I'm trying to not go into podcasts with

10:53

like a plan. Yeah. You know, you

10:55

said something about being a mainstream

10:59

coming in here, and you actually said the

11:01

same thing. Um uh

11:04

six years ago on the

11:06

Pete Holmes podcast where

11:08

you the new Nerd war No.

11:11

No, I'm like, how could you remember

11:13

that? How would you know this and do it this morning in the

11:15

shower. I'm sorry about

11:18

that. No, No, you did a good job. That was so

11:20

longer. You did a good job, and um,

11:24

yeah I can do that. I don't care. Um, you

11:26

know what I like about Pete Holmes that he manages to never ask

11:28

a question. Um um,

11:31

So six years ago you walk in and

11:33

you're like, I feel mainstream,

11:36

Yeah, and your Yeah,

11:38

that's my biggest insecurity. Yeah, and I sense

11:40

that it's still here with you. So can we go into

11:43

that. What is that about? I think that is

11:45

a comic in particular, and maybe I'll should

11:47

just speak for myself. I feel like my biggest fear

11:50

is being corny. You know is

11:52

not and this is the tragic irony of

11:54

being a comedian, at least me personally.

11:57

We're not making generalizations anymore, they're out.

12:00

Um is you really

12:02

just want the approval of other comics, you know? You

12:04

really just want to be cool, sometimes to a fault.

12:06

Sometimes like I'll do jokes I

12:09

don't even think are that funny and the audience

12:11

isn't even into because I know the four comedians

12:14

in the back are gonna think it's

12:16

hilarious. You know, like comics would rather

12:18

see other comics like bomb

12:21

and be like alt and cool than

12:24

get the approval of everybody. You know, why do

12:26

you want their approval? Because it's

12:28

the only approval. I love to be able to get you

12:31

know, and I I mean,

12:33

I can tell you you're really interested.

12:35

I think I grew up in a home where I grew

12:37

up an alcoholic comb at home where I very

12:40

chaotic. I had to fight really hard for attention.

12:43

I had to fight really hard for validation. As soon

12:45

as I thought I got at the next DAT lose it. You

12:47

know. I think I just your parents were busy, right. Your mom worked

12:49

in pr yep, Yeah, so weird.

12:52

Yes, mom worked in prs. It's

12:54

just I don't know. I just you're you're

12:57

There's just not a lot of um podcasters

13:00

anymore that are journalists.

13:02

You feel like more of a journalist to me. I've

13:05

retired that, yeah, have you know? But I just you

13:07

know, your ship usually go to podcasts now and we

13:09

just shoot the ship and it's just kind of a conversation

13:11

that I'm like, why is anyone listening to that? Yeah? No, I

13:13

don't know why people would listen to that. You've really

13:15

put thought into this. Would you drove, you were on

13:18

a highway, you got lost? Come on, yeah I did. I've

13:20

got on flick the four and the two and

13:22

it was like Sesame Street out there. But your

13:24

parents are busy parents. Almost

13:27

an only child. Your parents split at five, I

13:29

know that, Yes, and then you have a couple step kids.

13:31

I have, Yes, I have a sister, and then I have a half brother

13:33

who lives in London. And I just grew up in a

13:35

hectic environment. I was the youngest, which

13:38

I think there's a pattern of the youngest child always

13:40

horrible, becoming the performer. Are you the youngest now

13:42

I'm the oldest. Oh really, you're the hero. I

13:44

bet how many siblings? Four?

13:47

Okay? Yeah? Oh god, so you're like prime

13:49

birth order? Who is the lost child?

13:52

Well, there's that's a little too complicated because

13:55

there's different they're listening the whole thing.

13:57

No, No, it's just different parents, kids, a

13:59

lot of divorce. Oh god, okay, God, I got we have

14:01

this in comment. We have a lot in common, I think. Well,

14:03

I think we'll find that out. But you're cool and on mainstream,

14:06

damn it. I think you're actually much cooler

14:08

than you think. But yeah, yeah, but for some

14:10

reason, I don't think you're getting to it. There's

14:12

a part of you that wants to undercut myself.

14:15

Yeah, and I don't know why that is. Yeah,

14:17

I'm working on that definitely,

14:19

And I think that you know Ron Funches. I don't

14:21

know if you know him. He's so great comedian. He

14:23

called me out on that recently and I really appreciated

14:26

it. And it was, you

14:28

know, in one of my captions or something.

14:31

I was like, oh, here's me and my crooked

14:33

tooth, or like, I sort of did something to self deprecate

14:35

and he was like, why do you do that? Like

14:38

it's not And I said to one

14:40

time my therapist, who's

14:42

more like a twelve step sponsor, she

14:45

I would go like, Oh, I'm an idiot, I'm such a moron.

14:47

I don't know why I'm dating this guy. I'm such a nightmare.

14:50

I'm a monster, you know, I just have that.

14:52

And she was like, why do you talk about yourself like

14:54

that? And I was like, oh no, I'm a comedian. It's like this is what

14:56

we do. He said, deprecate, it's like funny, and she

14:58

just goes, it's not that funny.

15:02

But I didn't realize is I was just like kind of bombing

15:04

with myself, disparaging myself. And

15:07

I think it's part of growing up. I grew up

15:09

around a lot of malignant narcissists and

15:11

people with borderline personality disorder, and a

15:14

way to stay emotionally safe around them is to

15:16

make yourself small and to not shine

15:18

too bright, not you know, pasture,

15:21

as if you're taking anyone's attention or taking

15:23

their light or making them feel

15:25

small. So I think that so much of

15:27

the way my personality was formed was

15:29

to make myself small. And

15:33

I'm not better than you. I'm not funnier than you, I'm not prettier

15:35

than you. I'm not saying anything. So I think that

15:38

putting myself down was a way to

15:40

also avoid criticism from others. If I

15:42

criticize myself first, there's nowhere for you

15:44

to go, you know, like, you can't reject me,

15:46

you can't abandon me, you can't insult me if I've already done

15:49

this thing. So I think it's like a defense strategy

15:51

that like isn't interesting or funny anymore.

15:53

And sometimes I just do it out of habit, and I

15:56

am sorry about that. It is. It's

15:58

Lane. Well, I'm going to quote you.

16:01

You wrote something in your book about trying

16:03

to go a whole day without apologizing, and

16:06

you lasted thirty minutes and you apologize

16:08

for being early. So I want to say

16:10

early on in the podcast and I was late today and

16:12

I did I apologize for that. I hope so you did,

16:14

but it doesn't matter. Okay, that's the last apology

16:17

you need to do. So we can move

16:19

on from that. Can we do a romantic comedy called The Last

16:21

Apology? Yeah? If

16:23

you want to write any fund it and get it

16:25

to Netflix. I'm totally in. They seem

16:27

to be doing anything that feels like a good

16:30

Yeah, good movie. I'd watch the meet on

16:32

a podcast. They meet on a podcast, and then they

16:34

go to Spain and every

16:37

time she apologizes, he breaks up with her. So

16:41

until she learns to love herself, that's right. So

16:43

it's like fifty first day, so

16:45

horrible. Yeah, it sounds awful. No one's gonna watch.

16:48

Do you have a moment in high school? Your

16:50

voice is really hypnotic? It's

16:53

like ASMR. Is that how you say? I always get

16:55

that out. I'm dyslexics. I always get that wrong. I

16:57

think it's okay. Is

17:00

there a moment in high school where you felt

17:02

yourself not wanting?

17:04

Really the very white of podcasters.

17:07

Sorry, I'm just interrupting you to get compliment.

17:09

Keep doing your thing. Okay, So in high school

17:11

saying, did you end up at all have a

17:13

moment where you thought, I don't want to feel

17:16

small. I don't want to feel like this

17:18

anymore. It's weird. It's like,

17:20

I don't think at that point in my

17:22

life I had I was so unconscious,

17:24

it was such a puppet of whatever

17:27

survival mechanisms and social construction

17:30

and whatever my unrecovered

17:33

alan on adult child of alcoholic shit

17:35

that I don't think I was even self aware

17:38

enough to be able to have made

17:40

that deduction. I was just, you know, so

17:43

interested in getting love and attention

17:46

at all costs. And I was also you

17:48

know, I hadn't thought about this, and you seem

17:50

really educated around the stuff if you know the

17:53

birth orders, but also you're the way your body

17:55

is, Like I was the tallest in my class. I was

17:57

the biggest, like I was all ready. I don't know

17:59

if it was the GMOs or you

18:01

know, getting my mom drinking well pregnant,

18:03

whatever it was, I was a

18:05

foot taller than everyone until

18:08

I want to say, I was a freshman,

18:10

so I always want to be smaller. I always wanted

18:13

to be the same size as everyone literally

18:15

and figuratively. It's I kind

18:18

of did and I never because

18:20

I was obsessed with Doc Martin's and I wouldn't

18:22

wear them because they gave me like a little half

18:24

inch. So I remember like

18:26

standing with my legs kind of out a

18:28

little bit, you know, Yes,

18:31

to try to be smaller and to try to fit in with

18:33

everybody, and and

18:36

yeah, I think I just look, some of that's primal

18:38

and some of that's our reptilian brain. We want

18:40

to fit in, We want to be a part of the tribe. We want to

18:42

be like everyone else. I think every teenager has

18:45

that, regardless of their you know, childhood.

18:47

But I definitely, um, you know,

18:49

no, I don't think it's been until the last

18:52

five years that I've been like, yeah,

18:54

very now, when you're like seventeen and

18:57

eighteen and coming into some kind

18:59

of consciousness,

19:02

some kind it's like not foreign, but it's like enough,

19:04

it's enough to know something's going on. Were

19:07

you able to tell that there was some thing wrong

19:10

with your mom drinking? No,

19:12

the child psyche apparently,

19:15

because it would be so annihilating to

19:17

us to blame our parents. We

19:19

have to blame ourselves, like we go our

19:21

parents are perfect, We're the ones with the flaws.

19:23

Because the idea that your primary caretaker

19:26

has any flaws or isn't capable is

19:28

just too stressful for our psyches.

19:31

So I think, yeah, I think

19:33

it's not wild. So I think, like,

19:35

at no point was I like my dad's

19:37

kind of a mess. Like I was always just like, yeah,

19:40

okay, this is just how reality works.

19:42

You know. We just all pretend that things

19:44

are true when they're not. Like, that's just being

19:46

a person. I

19:49

just acclimated to it. I just shape

19:51

shifted, you know. That's I think what we do. We just

19:53

sort of change ourselves in order to accommodate

19:55

other people's limitations

19:58

or proclivities. That's what I did as a kid. So it

20:00

was sort of like, Okay, after seven

20:02

pm, you don't tell her important

20:04

things. You just wait till tomorrow, you know, because

20:06

then you'll have to repeat yourself. Like that's just you

20:09

know. And now as an adult, I find myself

20:11

just repeating myself over and over again, and people are like, no,

20:13

I know, you told me that, and I'm like, oh sorry, I'm just used

20:15

to having to say things six times, you know. So I'm having

20:17

to course correct the character

20:20

defects that I developed around that,

20:22

you know, and a lot of them I'm I'm really glad.

20:24

I have to be honest with you. A lot of the

20:26

things, you know, the personality traits

20:29

or strengths that I developed growing

20:31

up and now alcoholic Holm, have really benefited

20:33

me as an adult. So I not like

20:36

I'm such a victim. My life was so hard, you

20:38

know, and you know I'm in I think

20:40

most people know I'm in alan On and Adult

20:42

Child of Alcoholics twelve step programs, and

20:45

you know, you go in going like you're all my flaws,

20:47

You're all the ways that I'm fucked up because I grew up in Alcolic

20:49

Holm. But I now seven years enim able to go

20:51

like I have this like superpower

20:54

that a lot of people you know that didn't grow up

20:56

that way don't have. But

20:58

but yeah, I mean I definitely remember going

21:01

like, Okay, it's six thirty, go to your room

21:03

and don't leave, you know, because nothing

21:06

good happens outside. And I think that's a

21:08

really big part of why I became a writer and

21:10

a comedian, because I had to entertain myself a

21:13

lot because it was just there was chaos outside the

21:15

bedroom door. But there

21:17

are some negative drawbacks, you know, like

21:19

I cannot fall asleep to save my life

21:21

because at night, my brain goes, this is when

21:23

the ship hits the fan. You know, you gotta be on high

21:25

alert. You gotta be hyper vigilant. You got to be

21:28

high alert for what just and

21:30

he fights danger problems,

21:33

you know. So I think that is also,

21:36

you know, maybe a good thing in terms of that's probably a

21:39

big reason why I gravitated towards working

21:41

at night, or a job where I work at night, because that's kind

21:43

of where adult children, alcoholics come

21:45

alive. You know. Oh that's

21:47

good. Yeah, that's where like the chaos always

21:49

was. I never put this together about

21:52

my own life. Even I had not put this together. I mean,

21:55

right now, I'm kind of happy for you, and I'm

21:57

sorry that I brought this into your space.

22:00

But but you know, for me, it's like, Okay, it's

22:02

eight o'clock. The adrenaline hits, because that's how

22:04

it always was, the banging, the fighting, the crying,

22:06

the screaming, whatever happened, you know.

22:09

And then now it's going on stage

22:11

and having adrenaline and being

22:13

ready to deal with Heckler's other comics,

22:16

being sharp, being on your game, being able to defend yourself

22:18

because comedy is really just self defense on you

22:20

know, some level. Is that how you see it? I

22:23

think in a lot of ways. You know, it's changed.

22:25

I think in the beginning, when I started comedy

22:28

being a girl twelve

22:31

years ago, it was like you were

22:33

getting in the ring. It's kind of what it felt like. It

22:36

was like, roll your sleeves up and you're going to

22:38

fight a bunch of people, like whether it's comics

22:40

who don't think you're funny or don't think you

22:42

deserve to be on stage, or

22:44

the audience members who are either

22:46

getting up and leaving because it's someone

22:48

just introduced a woman, or they're yelling at

22:50

whatever it is. You know, it's to me, it always felt

22:53

like boxing, you know, Like I

22:55

was listening to someone talking about boxing and they were

22:57

like, you know, the key to boxing is like loving your opponent,

23:00

and you become so bonded to them at

23:02

the end, like you're two men that

23:04

fight. I don't know enough about MMA,

23:06

but in boxing, at the end, like you're not closer

23:08

to anybody then the person you just knocked

23:11

out or boxed. I don't know if that sound weird, it

23:14

sounds deeply unhealthy, totally.

23:17

It's definitely Stockholm syndrome at its finest.

23:19

But just you know, I'm really

23:21

think at its finest,

23:24

and I've had some pretty high level Stockholm

23:26

syndrome in my day. Yeah, yeah,

23:29

totally never good when that

23:31

happens. Well, I think for me, I'm

23:33

so into neurology because to me, it makes it's

23:35

just and although it's always changing and we really

23:38

kind of know nothing at all about the brain, and I'm sure everything

23:40

we know now is going to be debunked in ten years, but

23:43

I do my brain likes order

23:45

and truth, even

23:47

if it's false ten in

23:49

ten years. But any

23:52

kind of fighting anger

23:55

that produces adrenaline, and adrenaline produces

23:57

dopamine, which is why toxic relationships are

23:59

so addictive because ultimately,

24:01

as much as they suck and as toxic

24:03

as they are, you're producing adrenaline

24:05

which later turns into dopamine, which is a drug,

24:08

and it becomes addictive. If that makes sense. Yeah,

24:10

So to me, the biggest part of coming out of an alcolicom

24:12

or chaotic comb is realizing, Okay,

24:14

this gives me adrenaline. I need to stay away from

24:17

this thing. Our phone gives us adrenaline.

24:19

I mean, everything gives us, Um, you went to

24:21

college at the University of Pennsylvania,

24:23

you graduate top of your class when

24:26

you're done in two thousand and four years. Smiling

24:28

as I'm saying this, I know because I'm just

24:30

like, well, I'm just fascinated because

24:32

this year, you know, one,

24:34

I don't know many comedians who graduate top

24:36

of their class. I mean, I don't even know what that means.

24:40

It just it just says. It says that on a web I

24:42

said, you did really well, I don't like not

24:44

the top, Like look this

24:47

person at penn so unlikely. That's

24:50

again, you don't need to say that here.

24:52

Well, I also worked my ass off, and I think for me,

24:54

by the time I got to college, I had already done all the

24:56

party and gotten it out of my system. I'm finding a way

24:58

to make what you just said an insult. Um.

25:00

Noah, I know you think, what

25:03

fucking asshole? Why would he say that? No, I

25:05

just kind of if it's so wild, this really

25:07

is an interesting psychological exercise because I was

25:09

just like, God, everyone listening is going to think I'm such

25:11

an asshole, you know, like,

25:14

oh, like I feel

25:16

the need to. I don't know. Maybe it's

25:18

just I also have a little bit of emotional

25:21

This is going to sound like such a one percent

25:23

asshole problem, but I do think that publicly

25:26

succeeding in any way is kind of a form of

25:28

emotional trauma because you get so much hate

25:30

when you succeed. And I think once,

25:33

I remember when I got a TV show canceled, I

25:35

got so much love, the

25:38

love that I wish I had gotten when

25:40

the show was succeeding I

25:43

got. And I think when you fail,

25:45

people tend to go like connect

25:47

to you more, or like you more, or they

25:49

can't criticize you because you're already they can't kick you because

25:51

you're already down. So I think for me, I just

25:54

as soon as you said something positive about me, I was

25:56

like, oh God, now they're gonna comfort Yeah, well look we'll

25:58

get to the cancelation. Okay, thank you so much. I

26:00

can't but that's twenty eleven. God,

26:02

thank you so much. The fact that you graduate

26:06

pop your class doing

26:09

communications, which is almost like

26:11

a non major, Yeah it really is, because

26:13

I also it really is. But can I tell you,

26:16

I do think I got a lot out

26:18

of my communications major. If anyone's

26:20

in aspiring stand up, which I'm sure you might have a lot

26:22

of those people as your fans. Communications

26:25

was a great major for me because we studied

26:27

it's kind of the art of manipulation, like advertising,

26:31

And I studied George Carlin. I took

26:33

a class called the First Amendment, and that's actually

26:35

where I decided I want to be a comedian. Really

26:37

studied all of the things that, you

26:39

know, the things you can't say on TV. The Carlin

26:42

versus Pacific a case and you're allowed

26:44

to say jackass but not asshole.

26:47

And we talked to it, you know, like all that stuff

26:49

is just sort of mental masturbation

26:51

exercises, which is kind of what stand up is. Was

26:53

he the first person that made

26:56

it click for you? I remember

26:58

growing up actually watching sitcoms

27:01

and Rosanne rest in Peace

27:04

was a big part of me going, oh,

27:06

that's like you can make people laugh and

27:09

re saying rest in peace to the show,

27:12

to the show, yes, oh god, I really

27:14

hope she doesn't pass in the next week. Um

27:17

to her career, just the whole

27:20

thing, the whole legacy, the whole boy.

27:22

My attachment to

27:24

the show didn't turn on how it

27:26

really did. A was a pluf twist,

27:29

wasn't it. Yeah? I mean I

27:31

do think a lot of people saw it coming. I just

27:33

was too dumb too, because I hadn't

27:36

I hadn't been keeping up with her tweets in the last

27:38

couple of years, So I think I was, you

27:40

know, really UM had a blind

27:42

spot around all that UM. But I

27:45

remember Three's Company UM

27:47

was really big for me. I remember going like, oh, you

27:49

can make people laugh, like I wasn't. I didn't

27:51

put it together like I'm going to be a comedian. M

27:54

Richard Pryor. I remember like just

27:57

listening to and

28:00

going like, oh, like, you can make mistakes

28:02

and do bad things and alcomize

28:05

that into making people

28:08

love you. Like the things that would normally

28:10

get you punished or ignored or

28:13

chastised or ostracized, or that would

28:15

make you a pariah. You can use

28:17

that to make people love you. So you

28:20

use that to go to Los Angeles and

28:23

start doing comedy. I know you worked on Punked,

28:25

right, did? I worked on Punked? Which

28:27

I got that job and only because

28:29

my parking meter was running out.

28:32

There was like a cattle call. I was doing like hosting.

28:35

I was doing like like,

28:37

hey guys, here we are Like I was doing a

28:39

lot of like hosting stuff and I auditioned to be an

28:42

MTVVJ. I used to make tapes

28:44

in my room to be like, hey guys, here we

28:46

are South Beach. I just like,

28:49

now, do you want to do an audition right now? I'm

28:52

not gonna get it, but I'm happy to. My biggest

28:55

failure of my life was I went into audition

28:57

for a show that Henry Rollins was making

29:00

from like IFC or something. I'm from DC. Henry

29:02

Rollins is a big deal for someone

29:04

like me. I went in for Henry Rollins

29:06

and I had it totally memorized. I

29:09

was like, gonna nail it. Nailed it in my bathroom

29:11

mirror no less than fifty times walked

29:13

in Henry Rollins was in the room. I

29:16

started shaking and crying

29:19

and sweating, but like it was like

29:21

tears or sweat which one. And I totally melted

29:23

down. And then I was like, I'm never doing this again.

29:26

So I was like done with hosting. But I did

29:28

one last MTV VJ audition

29:31

and I was so weird. It

29:34

was just so bizarre and

29:36

like making jokes and they were like, um, you

29:38

shouldn't maybe audition for punked, Like they didn't

29:41

know what to do with me so that I got that audition. I

29:43

showed up. There were hundreds of people

29:46

in a waiting room at MTV and

29:48

they were all like gorgeous and

29:50

tan and glitter and handsome,

29:53

and I just was like, I can't wait

29:55

here for two hours. And the producer saw

29:59

me go to look at the sign and sheet where there

30:01

was ten pages of people, and then I was like, I'm

30:03

not waiting. I'm never gonna get this, like my low self esteem

30:05

of I'm never going to get this. And then I started

30:07

walking out and the producer was like, hey, what do you doing,

30:09

Because of course if you don't want something, they want you.

30:12

So the reverse psychology accidentally

30:14

worked in my favor and they were like, hey, come in for this audition,

30:16

and and then I ended up getting it just

30:18

because I didn't try to be funny, because I just

30:21

played everything really real, like um

30:24

my bad childhood yet again showed up for

30:26

me because the audition first was someone

30:28

saying I'm going to insult you as long as possible

30:31

and just keep coming back to me with insults. And I was

30:33

like, oh, this is like it's easy. Every

30:35

this is like a holiday. It's like Christmas morning

30:37

at my house, What do you mean? So they just kept

30:39

insulting me, and because I did see

30:41

people coming out of the room crying, and I didn't understand

30:44

why. What were the insults. I mean, you've met me,

30:47

you can probably guess. I

30:49

don't remember. It was like your ugly fat, like just the

30:51

stuff that really would upset you. And I

30:53

was, by the way, when I see you, that's really what

30:55

I'm thinking. Well, you know, it was just like anything to shape

30:57

because they were trying to see who was unshakable, who

30:59

was unflappable, because punked is a really high

31:01

stressed situation. Celebrities are around, so they

31:03

were just saying the most offensive mean things to me.

31:05

And I was just like dad, like I

31:08

was just like felt so at home. And

31:11

then I just kept going back and it just ended

31:13

up being it's good kind of They

31:16

were like, Okay, you're hired.

31:19

Yeah, that was a genuinely good joke. Thank

31:21

you.

31:22

Well, I

31:24

gotta give you a credit when you didn't prepare that one,

31:26

No for this interview the cuff.

31:28

Nothing is worse than what you could tell someone's prepared

31:30

for a podcast interview and or like a

31:32

radio thing, and they've like they're trying to elbow in

31:35

their agenda of what they want to say. No,

31:37

no, I think in twenty minutes your elbow in something.

31:39

But I'm going to try a bit is on the way. I'm

31:41

just finding an inn for my department, for my prepared

31:44

bit. Did it feel like things were going well

31:46

in those first couple of years of being in La

31:48

No, Oh my god, it was a disaster. I

31:50

had seven dollars for like four years. Yes,

31:53

I heard, yeah, something about going

31:55

to talking about that before this. This means at least

31:57

I'm not a pathological liar you

31:59

were until fifteen I

32:01

was. Yeah, I used Oh my gosh, you know

32:04

so much about me. What's the biggest

32:06

surprise that you came

32:08

across us that I like talking

32:10

to? Really? Just I

32:14

mean, like today, did you think

32:16

I was gonna be super annoying? It's just so funny.

32:19

It's just that you sent me up for it. You just sent

32:21

me up for it. Because one,

32:23

I'm not gonna genuinely answer that question to

32:26

casual Rose such

32:28

a casual um. You

32:30

say things didn't go well for you, but I

32:33

mean, why would they? I mean, why should they? Why would they? I'm

32:35

gonna tell you they did go well, because in three years,

32:37

your name one of the ten comics to

32:39

watch in Variety. That was in two

32:41

thousand and seven. It took three years for that to

32:44

happen. Um, actually, I think we

32:46

should watch something. Oh my god,

32:49

oh my god, stop

32:52

this, immediately abort

32:54

what's happening? Oh god?

32:57

I hi.

33:02

So my last name is Commings. People

33:05

always make fun of me about that, but

33:07

whatever, it's just a stage name. You know. My

33:10

real last name is Donkey Punch. Actually

33:14

true, I didn't always

33:16

want to be a comedian. I think most people growing

33:19

up want to be something like an astronaut, or

33:21

like a ballerina or something. You know. I

33:23

initially actually wanted to be a pinut colata. So my

33:25

mom would pay attention to me. Yeah,

33:29

she's a big drinker. She got me started

33:31

early. I remember my first hangover too

33:34

much breast milk. Yeah,

33:37

it was last week. So I

33:40

actually think that's why I became a comedian, because our house

33:42

had a two drink minimum. That sort

33:44

of. I quit drinking, though, because every time

33:46

I drink, I end up doing something stupid. You

33:49

know, like last time I got really drunk, I ended up getting

33:51

a tattoo. And

33:53

I still can't find it idea.

33:57

That's not my fault. I was. I was drinking this bar,

33:59

like I ran to my ex boyfriend there, which was so stupid,

34:01

Like I should have known who was going to be there, you know, because

34:04

I followed him there and

34:08

he invited me to was wedding, And like, I don't want

34:10

to go to my ex boyfriend's wedding. That's ridiculous.

34:12

You know, everyone's gona think I'm trying too hard.

34:15

So I just got like a really conservative dress.

34:17

You know, it's just like long. It's like it's

34:20

like all white, you

34:23

know, a little bail. Now,

34:25

i'd have to buy them a gift. That's what I don't

34:28

understand. Why we have to buy people stuff when they get

34:30

married, when they have a baby, and when they

34:32

buy a house. It's like, why do

34:34

I have to buy a present every time you make a mistake?

34:41

No one got me a present. When I bought a knee on, I

34:48

really thought that was a kneeon?

34:51

What am I just slamming cars? I couldn't

34:53

even afford back then. I would have fucking sucked

34:55

a dick for aneon back then? Who

34:58

do I think I am? And what

35:00

is that sand lot? Haircut.

35:03

Oh I got I remember getting that

35:05

hoodie at Anthropology and it was on

35:07

sale. Was a big that was like my comedy

35:10

hoodie. I wore it all the time and

35:12

I put my hand in it to be like, look casual, don't

35:15

look like you're trying, like that's what people like. They just want

35:17

you to be saying things. Put your hand

35:19

and I remember I'd only wear hoodies

35:21

with pockets because I was like, you just want to look like

35:23

you're just don't give a shit, that's

35:26

what the people want. That

35:29

was traumatizing. I feel like I did get

35:32

my legal counsel involved trying to get that

35:34

clip off the internet and here it is. Really

35:36

yeah, you have a season desist coming into

35:39

your inbox like

35:41

an hamlet. Oh my god, I'm sweating.

35:43

I was really stressful. Not bad

35:45

for first year doing comedy.

35:48

That was pretty funny. It's jokes, though, it's

35:50

jokes. Those are jokes. What's

35:52

going through your head watching that? I

35:56

think, like I'm rooting

35:58

for that girl, you know, Like I

36:00

was working so I was trying so

36:02

hard to make it a comedy. I mean

36:04

that was like I was doing four spots a night, going

36:07

to like her most passes Dina

36:10

Comedy Store, like waiting for three hours

36:12

to go up in an open mic for two minutes, like I

36:14

I see Rudy,

36:17

Rudy like, I'm like rooting for

36:19

her. I'm rooting for her to like

36:21

stop doing jokes and to figure out

36:23

who she is and what her opinions are, because that's

36:25

actually funnier than jokes. But

36:28

I'm I'm you know, back

36:31

then there were no women on the line like

36:33

that was. I'm I couldn't. I

36:35

probably couldn't do that now I

36:37

couldn't do what no, Like I mean, just I don't.

36:39

That was a weird thing to say. I just mean, like, there's

36:42

a let I'm more nervous

36:44

going on stage now than that girl was.

36:46

Really yeah, and maybe it's just because people maybe

36:48

know me a little bit in them bars a little higher, and I'm like, oh

36:51

god, now I have to be extra good. I can't fuck

36:53

up, I can't fuck around, I can't make mistakes.

36:58

But it is it is sort

37:00

of cute looking at that because I

37:02

wasn't listening to audience response at all, Like

37:04

today, if a joke doesn't do well, I'm like, oh, what what the fuck

37:06

was that? That was a fucking like I'll engage about it.

37:08

Where she was just like you say

37:11

your jokes, just keep saying the thing you memorize.

37:14

Yeah, you were like the kid who memorized the speech going

37:16

up and you're like, oh, that wasn't interesting. It doesn't

37:19

matter. No, no, no no, it's bullet point number three on

37:21

my note card here, so I need to finish it. There

37:23

was no listening and she's

37:25

just saying they're good jokes. They're good jokes,

37:27

but that's not what comedy is. Comedy is not

37:29

good jokes. Okay. So I see

37:31

someone who's not listening and who hadn't

37:34

doesn't know who she is yet, and

37:36

it makes me think this is kind of a therapeutic

37:38

exercise because it makes me realize I

37:41

have kind of come a long way, you know,

37:43

because I had those same notes for myself today

37:46

sometimes like, ah, you weren't listening in that

37:48

moment you checked out and just started do you know cringe.

37:51

I'm just throwing my neck out cringing at myself. But

37:54

yeah, I mean, but that's how you start. You know. It's like it

37:56

doesn't matter the first couple of years you're doing comedy.

37:58

It doesn't matter what you're saying you're just getting comfortable

38:00

on stage. You're just like figuring out

38:02

a way to not I dislike that you said I would

38:04

have sucked dick for a neon the

38:07

fact, Who the fuck did I think I was back

38:09

that you? I think you actually

38:11

had more self confidence anything, Well,

38:13

those are I think there's a difference between confidence

38:16

and self esteem, and I sometimes

38:18

have confidence, but that doesn't mean I have self esteem

38:20

because those are obviously such like jokey jokes. Because

38:22

it's like my ex boyfriend's getting

38:24

married. That's bullshit. I didn't date guys who were capable

38:27

of commitment back then. Like, none

38:29

of those setups are true. I watched

38:31

one. I watched Money Shot.

38:34

Oh god, that's my first special. That's from ten

38:36

years ago. I watched The Last Night. Why that's

38:38

awful. Shouldn't you should have watched

38:40

my new special? Why didn't you have that? I did watch that.

38:43

Okay, I haven't got to that yet, Okay, we will. That

38:45

is also good. It's all good with me, Thank

38:47

you. Even that although you're not listening

38:50

and you're driving, you know, you know, you know you don't you

38:52

know how you see old people driving on the road, It's

38:55

like how they drive and they there's no

38:57

consideration. But they

39:00

also get to where they're going. Sometimes you got to a

39:02

steamroll. You steamrolled because I

39:04

think for me back then, if I

39:06

had heard no laughs, I

39:08

would have just left the club and slowly

39:10

walked into the ocean. So I

39:12

think maybe my psyche knew you're

39:15

not mentally fit enough.

39:17

You wrote something in your book that I thought

39:20

was good. You wrote for most of my

39:22

twenties. I don't know why you're laughing. I thought it was good.

39:24

You're endearing, you're funny, Okay, for

39:27

most of my twenties I rewrote the writing on the

39:29

Wall, and frankly, it's a miracle that

39:31

as a result, I'm not in court

39:33

trying to get custody of my seven kids

39:35

from numerous very handsome, melignant narcissists,

39:38

the term you used earlier. Yeah, as

39:40

a person, what do you make of yourself?

39:43

And when you're in your twenties, I'm

39:45

just a mess, you know, And

39:48

I mean, look, that's I know, we just

39:50

did this whole thing where I'm self deprecating, but I really

39:53

was fighting battles that I had lost twenty

39:55

years ago. I mean that's kind of like, you

39:58

know, one of my favorite alan On things people

40:00

say is like the war is over, you lost, you

40:02

know, I'm still like shadow boxing, like you know that, like

40:04

the you know, the guy what was

40:06

it, the Japanese guy who didn't know the World

40:09

War was over and he was under a rock for like fifty

40:11

years, still like ready to fight, you know

40:13

that. That is very much me in my twenties.

40:15

And but I also was like I didn't grow up with money,

40:17

and I just I also think it's okay to be able

40:19

to say like I just wanted to make money, and I was

40:22

just desperate at all costs to be

40:24

able to pay my bills. Um.

40:26

I also was in the throes of like love addiction

40:28

shit. You know, addiction runs in my family.

40:30

And I did not get the

40:34

alcoholic for substances or

40:36

drugs. Um. I kind

40:38

of got the alan On disease, which is the

40:41

relationship shit. So I was in a lot of really toxic,

40:43

exhausting, draining relationship where

40:45

drugs never part of it. For it, they really weren't. I

40:48

only and as my alan On

40:50

disease manifested and like, I only did drugs

40:52

to try to make drug addicts like me, to

40:55

try to fit in with the drug addicts. So you're doing drugs you

40:57

don't even want to do. It's like a form of people pleasing.

40:59

You're like, yeah, this heroine is so great, like

41:01

fuck by the way, Yeah,

41:04

no kidding. I just you just drank

41:07

the heroin. And I'm not saying

41:09

I've done heroin. I have it. I just mind drink

41:12

enough that you don't drink heroin. Um,

41:15

that's like me. It is like a wasn't heroin

41:17

in like drinks in the twenties? Maybe

41:20

that was like a flap. Don't try to give me a history

41:22

lesson that you're making up on the fly. This isn't drunk

41:25

yesterday. Okay, you can't. You can't disagree

41:27

with me on air. I don't like you look like the dick. No,

41:29

no, maybe it's possible. It's

41:31

maybe it's possible. Me being a dick is

41:33

fine. I'm okay without that, yere, I feel like it's I

41:36

feel like I

41:38

can't picture you being a dick. You're very

41:40

charming. No, no, no, what happens you can't be Oh

41:42

come on, come on, I don't know anything about you.

41:44

Yeah, but we're humans, are

41:48

we? No, we're

41:50

doing so well? Or

41:53

are we? Yeah? I got it. Really into like,

41:55

are we a video game projection?

41:57

Yeah? The other day, Um, it feels like Joe Rogan

41:59

podcast. Yes, it does, it does it does? I'll save it. Um.

42:02

But yeah, I think I was very much.

42:04

Um. I worked really really hard,

42:07

not smart in my twenties. I was so

42:09

desperate to make it and I didn't even know what it

42:12

was back then. Financial

42:14

security, it really was. It was financial security.

42:16

It was I just wanted to be good at comedy. And

42:19

it's it's interesting because my goals were actually pretty

42:21

small. I just

42:23

wanted to be good being good

42:25

at comedy. It was really hard for me because

42:27

to be a good comic you really have to master a lot

42:29

of your demons. And that was the hardest

42:32

part. Getting on stage writing jokes like that was the easy

42:34

part for me. But I realized I really had to

42:36

be able to be authentic, be able to like make eye contact

42:39

with people, like shit that I just like never

42:41

got shit that I never learned.

42:43

I had to like pick an opinion, like,

42:46

so, you know, my ship was so

42:48

much like, oh, you're into

42:51

punk rock, I'm in a punk rock you're in a country music.

42:53

I'm a I was like a shape shifter just because I

42:55

wanted people to like me so badly, But that doesn't work

42:57

in comedy. You have to have a really specific opinion.

42:59

You have to say what you mean, you have to mean

43:01

what you say, and you have to be okay with people disagreeing

43:04

with you. You have to want people

43:06

to laugh at you, but you can't need people

43:08

to like you. Yeah, but isn't that it's

43:11

gendered? Right? I mean Bill

43:14

Burr when he when he started. I've

43:16

seen every special he's done. I think he's

43:18

very funny. He's funny from the beginning. But he also

43:20

didn't have to work to

43:23

be like you know, everyone has

43:25

to work to be accepted. But it's just a lot easier when it's

43:27

a bunch of men accepting other men. Yeah,

43:30

and you know, I here's

43:32

an interview from twenty eleven that you did

43:34

with the New York Times. Was this the

43:36

guy that got fired because he was so sexist

43:38

in his questions? It's possible,

43:41

and yes, he got fired over this

43:43

interview September sixteen, twenty eleven

43:45

in the New York Times. It's

43:47

an article called there is No Escaping

43:50

Whitney Cummings, which is ominous and weird.

43:52

You have two things happening

43:55

Whitney, your show that's coming

43:57

out, and then Two

43:59

Broke Girls, which you co created. It's a big

44:02

moment. I mean, it's arguably the probably

44:04

the biggest moment in your career to that

44:06

point. Sure, right, I

44:08

yes, because your special was in twenty ten, the

44:11

first one I had done a special. By that, I had

44:13

done a bunch of roasts, but yeah, to get huge,

44:15

to get two TV shows on it, and this is not when

44:17

women were starring in shows. This is not when women were

44:19

creating shows, and that was like popular. Yeah,

44:21

So he asked, on those Comedy

44:23

Central roasts, your fellow comedians like

44:26

to joke about how you slept your way to

44:28

fame. How accurate is that

44:30

criticism? One? That question's

44:33

insane. Two he

44:36

pretends that jokes are criticism,

44:39

which is also insane. By the way, this

44:41

is a man who when he called me, it

44:44

was six in the morning. I had to get up the New York

44:46

Time. It was like my first interview ever. I remember I'm

44:48

outside my house and I'm like, I'm about to talk to the New York Times.

44:51

I was like so excitedly dressed up for the call.

44:55

Don't really, I don't think a Blazer and I was like hello,

44:58

Like course I was such a naive moron.

45:00

And I pick up the phone and he goes, Hi, it's whatever

45:03

his name is, Andrew, and he's like, um, yeah,

45:05

So my wife is obsessed with you. I don't really

45:07

get it, but she loves you and

45:09

mind you. I think I was twenty seven twenty

45:12

eight, like I was a kid, like I

45:14

didn't know to go oh, and that's inappropriate or like

45:17

that's what I So I want to ask you about this

45:19

because I'm reading your answers and

45:21

I'm like, wow, the Whitney

45:24

Cummings that I've tried to understand through

45:26

three interviews in a book. You

45:29

know, it's not a

45:31

total reflection of you. But I did think, God,

45:34

I can't imagine Gee would accept that.

45:36

Oh I was totally

45:39

had no. I that is

45:41

a time where I was so naive about journalism.

45:43

I was like, oh, well they want you

45:46

know, like we're friends. Like I'm not gonna get thrown out

45:48

of the bus, Like why would he want? You know? Like it just

45:50

why would you want to interview someone if you didn't like

45:52

them or thought they were a slut or whatever

45:55

he thinks is going on or doesn't understand

45:57

the concept of that jokes are jokes.

45:59

Like it didn't occur to me that a journalist

46:02

could be wrong, yeah, or offensive

46:05

or unfair. That was just not something I understood

46:07

because I had never done press before. You all wanted

46:09

to go, well, I mean, you're going into it thinking,

46:11

God, this is the thing, and this is the first

46:14

big interview I want. You're just hoping it

46:16

goes well. And I think I'm used to.

46:18

You know, look, all my friends or comics

46:20

and all we do is bust each other's balls and rip

46:22

each other, you know. So for me, also, it's

46:24

not an immediate red flag when someone insults

46:27

me because in comedy

46:29

that's kind of love. I'm not saying it's healthy,

46:31

but you know, we're like, hey, I so, well, what up?

46:33

You know? Like who you know? Like you call

46:35

me Berry? Why? I thought it? But you have an

46:37

unbelievably sexual tones.

46:40

It's unreal. But so

46:43

to me, it was just like the context,

46:45

I wasn't able to put it together quickly enough, Like

46:47

this wasn't a comedian busting my balls. This was like a professional

46:49

journalist for one of the most reputable, you

46:52

know, companies in the world, And

46:55

it was also six am, and I think I just

46:57

I hadn't yet gotten

46:59

a handle on my crippling

47:01

need for approval, and so for me,

47:03

it was just like make a joke, make a joke. When someone insults

47:05

you, you you make a joke out of it, and I like laugh. My

47:08

response was to laugh, Yeah, well the laughs

47:10

are not and I was nervous. You respond

47:12

to the question politely, and you say, do you know

47:15

an example of anyone who's ever slept

47:17

with a producer or whatever

47:20

that has gotten them anywhere and he comes

47:22

back blazing. Your

47:24

friend Chelsea Handler got

47:26

her show while she was going out with the

47:28

head of comcast E's

47:30

parent company, And that's

47:33

when I almost broke my computer last

47:35

night, And you politely are

47:37

like, wow, you do your homework. I

47:40

was stunned. I was stunned.

47:44

I panicked. I

47:47

panicked, and then what did I say? But

47:49

Chelsea's really great, the real deal. She got

47:52

there because of her talent. I mean the normal things.

47:54

I make very bad dating decisions. However,

47:57

I'm the one who's dating the craft service guy instead

48:00

of the producer. Plus,

48:03

if a producer is going to date a hot young

48:05

thing, I'm probably not the first person

48:07

on their on their list the weird,

48:09

quirky, funny girl Again, Well,

48:12

I just I don't just trying to get on. I think

48:14

I was just trying to get out of it. And it's also like, you

48:17

know, I think that was so devastating

48:19

to me because you can say whatever you want

48:21

about me, like and people do. One

48:23

thing you cannot say is that I'm lazy. Yeah.

48:26

One thing that you cannot say is that I don't work hard,

48:28

you know. So for someone to go like, so did you sleep your

48:30

right at the top, it's like, dude, I did seven spots

48:32

last night. Like I worked till four in

48:34

the morning every night. Like that is I think. And sometimes

48:37

people say it in a pejorative

48:39

way, and that's totally fine because I think women in

48:41

ambition have sort of a tricky

48:44

you know, those words have, you know, become a little

48:46

bit like of a yucky thing for a

48:48

woman to be ambitious. It's like she's conniving

48:51

or she's you know, power hungry or whatever.

48:53

When people say that, I always feel a little bit like weird

48:56

inside. But um, say

48:58

what you want. But like, one thing you cannot say

49:00

is that I don't work my ass off.

49:03

So for a New York Times journalist to be like, so, who'd

49:05

you fuck to get where you are? It's like what, it's

49:08

mad, It's like nuts. It's like I don't have

49:10

time to fuck producers because I'm working too hard

49:12

on my jokes. This is the last thing I'll read

49:14

from it. Norm McDonald

49:16

was pretty hostile towards you in an interview,

49:19

saying, hey, guess what, there's

49:21

a young girl that's middling attractive that swears

49:24

a lot. Let's get her, suggesting

49:26

you were an inferior version of

49:28

Sarah Silverman, which which I am.

49:31

Let's be honest, Now, you guys are very different.

49:34

I mean, yeah, we're different. But you know, if

49:36

I'd tried to do what she did, I would be the inferior

49:38

version of her. This thing is a different sport.

49:41

Yeah, oh totally, You're doing a different thing totally.

49:43

And also, I mean, that's just such a weird,

49:46

such a weird criticism, because it's like, when

49:48

I started, Sarah was my hero. I mean,

49:50

she had been doing comedy for twenty years. Like to

49:52

say that we're even in the same echelon

49:55

is just bad math. But

49:58

but I love Norm. We did

50:00

talk about that once and I

50:02

don't know, I'm such a comedy fan, and Norm

50:05

was a hero of mine. Even hearing of someone

50:07

I love insult me, I'm like, that's pretty good. Like

50:09

I'm kind of on his side. I've said

50:11

things about people that I regret or

50:14

don't or whatever, but I don't know that

50:16

just didn't I love Norm

50:18

might have nothing bad to say about him. So when it

50:21

goes really well in twenty eleven, the show

50:23

is canceled in two years after

50:25

that, which, by the way, is I mean most

50:28

shows don't get picked up at all. I don't

50:30

I think it impressed it. It It was just such a big

50:32

ad campaign that I think it was like such

50:35

a big you know, it just felt

50:37

like a bigger fall than it should have been. It's like two

50:39

years of a show like I was actually you

50:42

know, and it's everyone's gonna go, oh, of course she's

50:44

gonna say that, but like I had, you

50:46

know, the character that I put in that

50:48

show was a very broken

50:51

person, and I if I kept working

50:53

on that character, I think it was like stunting my gross

50:55

because I was kind of outgrowing the character a little

50:57

bit and she had to stay fucked

51:00

up in order for there to be stories. And it just was

51:02

like Okay, that feels like a good time to call it. No,

51:04

you could have done like a Gary

51:06

Shandling Larry Sanders six years

51:09

of it and then I think he had

51:11

to like really leave to figure that stuff

51:13

out. All my favorite shows went two years. Not

51:15

that I had I known it had been two years, that's

51:17

all I was gonna have. I would have crafted it very differently.

51:19

But that's a little bit. Yeah, I'm

51:22

not so interested in like, oh, we got canceled

51:24

and all that. I'm more curious about

51:27

how did you feel about

51:29

yourself and your career at that point. I

51:32

think I was just so grateful to be being able

51:34

to pay being able to pay bills. I

51:38

think also at the time, and maybe this is not the

51:40

answer you're looking for, and just tell me if it's

51:42

a bad one. If it's an honest answer,

51:44

it's what I'm looking for. Okay. So I had

51:46

a lot of personal tragedy in my life, Like essentially

51:49

right when the show's got picked up, I had to

51:51

put a family member went into rehab and

51:54

was very sick, and then my mom had a stroke. So

51:56

I was, you know, writing the show during the day

51:59

in the writer's room, shooting it, and then like going to rehabs

52:01

at night and like trying to get my mom

52:03

like figure out how the brain worked, to figure out

52:05

how her stroke was going to affect her, and trying to find her nursing

52:07

home. And then my dad had a stroke like

52:10

six months later, so I was kind of in the throes

52:12

of like personal tragedy. So I

52:14

was like, it took the focus off myself

52:17

and the good press, the bad press, the pressure,

52:19

the all of it. And I hadn't

52:21

had the tools really to deal with people

52:23

yet. I didn't have the tools yet

52:25

to go like, you know what, No, we're not going to do that, we

52:27

should do this instead. I was very much like, that's a great idea,

52:29

let's try it, even though I didn't think it was.

52:32

Yeah, I just I was such a people pleaser at

52:34

the time, and I was so worried about the writers

52:36

liking me and not feeling rejected

52:39

because I don't like being rejected, or

52:41

if I couldn't fire anyone. I

52:44

had like a septic infection at one point,

52:47

like I was, I was really falling apart,

52:49

and I also was in and I think a lot of people know this and

52:51

maybe this is if

52:53

this is a bummer, just tell me to move on. I

52:56

had eating disorders, which I'm pretty public about, I

52:58

think, but it was pretty bad around that time

53:01

because I was also literally just stressed out

53:03

and scared and what

53:05

does that look like? Gorgeous?

53:11

It's thank you, we can do that. Thank you. It

53:17

it's about control, and they

53:19

tend to flare up when you're feeling

53:21

out of control, and I was feeling very out of

53:23

control to time. I wasn't in control of how people

53:26

perceived me, of people like the show or they didn't, if

53:28

we were going to get more episodes, if we were gonna lose writers

53:31

and the actors, and where they mad at me? Are they getting

53:33

enough lines? No? No No, like the whole thing. How

53:35

was my performance? And

53:37

so that was something I was kind of struggling

53:39

with as well, how did you get through it? Fear

53:42

adrenaline? Just yeah,

53:44

I think the whole thing. I mean, I was really lucky. I had

53:47

a couple of people, like I had a couple

53:49

of people come into my life and really helped me, Like

53:52

Peter Burg randomly came into my life

53:54

and he was friends with one of the producers

53:56

and kind of explained to me a couple of really crucial

53:58

things that I didn't know, like

54:01

you need to write the first episode three episodes so the

54:03

writers understand the target. Like there's certain things

54:05

that when you make a TV show, nobody tells you. But

54:08

I don't know if I got through it, like unscathed,

54:11

I survived it. I don't know if I got through

54:13

it. Did you ever think like I don't know

54:15

if I can keep doing this? I think

54:17

there was definitely some I don't know if I can keep doing this

54:19

this way? You know? And

54:22

second season we kind of I think I knew

54:24

a little bit more, but I

54:26

remember thinking things like, ah,

54:28

like this would have made so much more sense on

54:31

CBS where they have all their multiicams,

54:33

you know, because it was also at a time where

54:36

multiicams were not particularly in vogue

54:39

in like the critic circle, but

54:42

they were very in vogue in America. Big Bang Theory

54:44

and Two and Half Men like those were the biggest shows. But

54:46

I think we were after The Office or

54:48

something like just like the best single cam show

54:50

ever. It was like The Office thirty Rock and

54:53

then like here comes Whitney, like the dorky

54:55

uncle, like, hey guys, like, what's

54:58

the deal? Here come? Yeah,

55:00

it was Sagres gums, crazy,

55:02

silly Whitney like it was just like yuck

55:06

comedy. You know, Were you ready

55:08

to move on once it was over,

55:11

to really just go back to doing stand up

55:13

in a lot of ways? Yeah, I really was. I think I

55:16

don't think stand ups are designed. If

55:18

you're neurologically your

55:20

brain is catered to making drunk strangers

55:23

laugh, you shouldn't stop for too long. For

55:25

the most part, I feel insane all the time, and

55:27

then I do stand up and I go like this annoys

55:30

me and everyone goes ha, and I go, oh my god, I'm not the

55:32

only one. It just makes you feel less alone, you

55:34

know. I think comics tend to be pretty lone

55:36

wolf isolators and socializing

55:39

is hard for me. But is

55:42

it really? Yeah? Oh yeah, really

55:44

I'm awkward. You seem okay, really

55:46

well we are. This is on some level,

55:49

you know, performative kind of right, you

55:51

know, so wouldn't we But if if we didn't

55:53

have microphones here, this would be the weirdest conversation ever.

55:56

We have some big questions before we have believe Okay,

55:59

you know, in your new special, which

56:02

I thought was very good, thank you? Really yeah

56:04

I did. Did you feel attacked do

56:06

I feel attacked? No? Did

56:09

you feel attacked by it? No? That's huge. What

56:11

am I to feel attacked about? Well, I just

56:13

mean, like, I think that a

56:15

lot of people think I like, go after

56:18

man or something. This is a generational

56:20

thing, probably, And I hate to bring up age, but

56:22

I don't think people my age don't.

56:26

I don't think they're going to see that as attacking. I

56:28

think they're like, yeah, oh yeah, I know

56:30

of that person, this one. I try to be very fair. That's

56:32

an uncle. Yeah. No,

56:34

No, I thought you were very fair, and you're

56:36

talking about a whole bunch of things. One

56:39

that I think is I integral

56:42

to our conversation is you're like for

56:44

the longest time, and since this is coming

56:46

out after the special, I hope you don't mind that

56:48

I'm voting for

56:50

the longest time. No one asked

56:53

women like what

56:55

they were thinking. Yeah,

56:57

And so now like the group has to

56:59

like regroup and figure

57:01

out what the fuck I want to talk about.

57:05

What do you make genuinely just as

57:07

a person, not as a woman, as

57:09

a person. What do you make

57:11

of the movement,

57:13

the climate that we're in right now? What

57:16

do I make of it? God, that's a very intense

57:18

question. I didn't mean to be so intense,

57:21

No, please, I mean it's it's you

57:23

know, I have a feeling I'm gonna get in trouble

57:25

no matter what I say. That's the climate.

57:29

Look, I'm not a like PC culture's

57:32

ruining comedy person. I'm not that guy

57:34

at all. I think like there's

57:37

I think for me, the biggest thing

57:39

about this moment is like I am

57:41

excited to see what progress

57:43

is, what progress is actually

57:46

manifesting into institutional

57:49

change, and what's performative and Instagram progress.

57:51

You know, I just I don't think we know yet what

57:54

is actually going to translate into equal

57:57

pay and fair treatment. And

58:00

you know, I just don't know because I think

58:03

and a lot of lane or people might kind

58:05

of like scoff at some of the things I say. My special

58:07

because when I was traveling around the country

58:09

and talking about me too and harassment

58:12

and trying to find a way

58:14

to say it in a way that's with levity but

58:16

still responsible

58:19

or interesting and progressive.

58:21

Like I mean a lot of people, I got

58:23

some amazing heckles from you

58:25

know, women that were you know, of all different

58:28

ages, but outside of New York in LA who like

58:30

I would talk about like sexual harassment, and

58:32

this one woman just yelled, take the compliment and

58:34

move on. You know. It was

58:37

kind of news to me that there were

58:39

some women that were just like, oh, really,

58:42

a bunch of white millionaires

58:44

or getting their ass grabbed in the Peninsula, Who

58:46

gives a shit. A lot of waitresses

58:48

were like, flirting is how we get tips, Like

58:51

sex is the only power we have. You're going to take that

58:53

from us, you know. So I just seeing

58:55

hearing so many different points of view

58:57

about it outside of New York in LA

59:00

was very educational for me because we're in our bubble,

59:02

we're in our echo chamber, and

59:05

you know, just kind of how white

59:08

this has been. And I went to

59:10

the you know, women's march and didn't

59:12

see any black women there. I thought that was interesting

59:17

and something to think about. It's

59:20

not a coincidence, and so I just

59:22

think this is a moment where, you

59:24

know, we just have to figure out what's real,

59:27

what's performative, what's for Instagram likes,

59:29

what's real progress? And I'm

59:32

just trying to make sure that I'm not a

59:34

part of a performative.

59:36

I'm going to pat myself on the back thing.

59:40

And I do think it's really important to be

59:42

able to say. And I'm sure I'm to get some shit for this,

59:44

but like, I think that, you

59:46

know, a lot of the guys that I know are shutting

59:49

down because no one's able to

59:51

say, like, yeah, that girl's little

59:53

nuts, you know. And

59:56

right now it's like one woman speaks

59:59

for all women, and it's like all women against

1:00:01

all men, and I think that that's unhealthy.

1:00:03

I think the bad men and the

1:00:05

bad women versus the good men and the good women

1:00:07

is a more um

1:00:10

fair way to approach all this. I knew we

1:00:12

were in trouble the momentum.

1:00:15

Dave Chappelle did a new special and

1:00:18

I felt uncomfortable telling

1:00:21

people that you thought it was funny, that I

1:00:23

thought it was really good. That's outrageous

1:00:25

because of the which because of a specific joke

1:00:29

which I thought was the best piece of But

1:00:32

I just I don't I think that I

1:00:34

think sorry, and I think that when you said this climate I

1:00:36

went straight to me too. But it's

1:00:39

part and part it's all. Yeah, I think it's

1:00:41

like you know, do

1:00:44

I don't know. I just think that like funny's funny's funny,

1:00:46

And even if I don't agree, with you. I mean, Richard Pryor talked

1:00:49

about beating his wife. You

1:00:51

know, do I think men should beat their wives?

1:00:53

No? You know, but I think do

1:00:56

I think someone should do that joke? Now? I

1:00:59

mean no, I think you

1:01:01

should probably go to jail if you're beating your wife. But

1:01:03

you know, I think I don't know. I

1:01:05

just I think we are so But that was a different

1:01:07

time. It was a different time. We are so drunk

1:01:10

on our self righteousness and

1:01:12

our sanctimonious thoughts that I think

1:01:15

we're just so addicted to I think

1:01:17

drunks an ice word. I think poisoned. Poisoned.

1:01:19

Yeah, we are, and I think we're Um,

1:01:22

that's probably a better way to put it. But I think we are so get

1:01:24

off so hard right now on

1:01:26

watching like snitching and watching other

1:01:29

people fail and hating on people.

1:01:31

Um, you know that. I just

1:01:34

you know, that's a shame. You know.

1:01:37

We've talked a lot in the last

1:01:40

hour about and we have to go like now.

1:01:42

Yeah, so a couple of things. Two

1:01:45

things we talked a lot about

1:01:47

how in your twenties you had

1:01:49

some some love addiction stuff.

1:01:51

Yeah, we talked a lot about love in general.

1:01:54

Do you have a lot of your I bet your listeners

1:01:56

are very young. I don't know. I

1:01:58

don't think so. I think it's like twenty

1:02:01

eight to forty five. Yeah.

1:02:04

I think love addiction is something that is just so important

1:02:06

to talk about because I don't think a lot of people it's

1:02:08

just not in our zeitgeist. You know, a lot of people

1:02:10

in toxic relationships can't get out of them,

1:02:13

you know, cheating,

1:02:16

you know all that stuff. I think love addiction is

1:02:18

such a big joy

1:02:20

killer and life burglar

1:02:23

and time vampire. And

1:02:26

it took me as soon as I identified that way,

1:02:29

it just it changed my life. But you're in

1:02:31

love right now, right, I'm in love right now? Yeah?

1:02:33

How is that wild? I mean that sounds

1:02:36

great, it's great. And I think for me, and this

1:02:38

is going to sound crazy, it

1:02:40

took me a long time to realize that for me, love

1:02:43

should be kind of boring. You know,

1:02:46

love is not exhausting and depleting. Well, because

1:02:48

we have all these socially constructive words like it's passion,

1:02:50

it's butterflies, you should be like obsessing

1:02:52

over to all these like movies that glorify that

1:02:54

love is supposed to be a twenty four seven

1:02:57

You can't eat, you don't sleep, you're up

1:02:59

all night. That is not love. That is infatuation,

1:03:01

that's obsession. That's probably love addiction.

1:03:03

That's endorphins and you know, oxytocin

1:03:06

and adrenaline and cord like, that's just a neurochemical

1:03:08

disaster. And I lost

1:03:10

years of my life to love

1:03:13

addiction. But I just thought it was love. There's

1:03:15

a lot of people who love whiskey. That doesn't

1:03:17

mean they should be in a relationship with it. There's a lot

1:03:19

of people that love the heroine you

1:03:22

drink. Doesn't mean they should use it.

1:03:24

I want to eat pizza every night for dinner. That doesn't

1:03:26

mean I should. You know, so the person i'm

1:03:28

with I'm super in love with. But it's

1:03:31

not depleting or exhausting or like the can't

1:03:33

live without you. You should

1:03:35

be able to live without someone. If

1:03:37

you can't live without someone, that's not love.

1:03:40

That's addiction. So you feel good. I

1:03:42

feel good, I feel calm, I feel accepted,

1:03:44

I feel peace, And I think for me, love

1:03:46

is being with someone where you are the

1:03:48

best version of yourself when you're with them.

1:03:51

And I thought I was in love so many times, and

1:03:53

I was a freaking wreck and

1:03:55

I was making horrible decisions. I was destroying

1:03:57

my friendships. I was in a rational

1:04:00

like I was self tanning every day,

1:04:02

like love is not a daily

1:04:05

audition for approval, And

1:04:07

I thought that was love is. I want to be the best, I want

1:04:09

to be the prettiest. I'm gonna be the thinnest, I'm gonna be in I'm going to the

1:04:11

gym every day. That's like someone that was making me feel

1:04:13

really insecure and like I wasn't enough,

1:04:15

and I'm now with somebody where I can be a

1:04:18

boring slob. I think not

1:04:21

not to get away from boring slab? Which which

1:04:23

is? Which is the name of my next passion. I

1:04:25

was not going to say that. I think you actually found

1:04:28

a version of yourself that was pretty good as

1:04:30

a kid, because at

1:04:33

some point in your childhood you

1:04:37

wander, I think, into your aunt's basement

1:04:40

and find a typewriter. And

1:04:42

on the typewriter do you make

1:04:44

people cry in these interviews It's

1:04:47

happened. Yeah, I'm not trying to. But

1:04:49

on the typewriter you wrote about racist

1:04:53

band aids and

1:04:56

did poorly play salad bars

1:04:59

at Sizzler. I think the pudding always

1:05:01

pissed me off. I mean, doesn't make any

1:05:03

sense. It makes no sense,

1:05:06

no one. It's the elephant in the living room of our

1:05:08

culinary culture. No one's talking about it. Well,

1:05:11

you as a kid finding that typewriter

1:05:13

and writing something, isolating

1:05:16

yourself and finding out your voice and who you are.

1:05:18

When you look back on that and you now see where

1:05:20

you're at now, are you happy with

1:05:23

it? Yeah?

1:05:26

I am. I need that

1:05:28

reminder more because I think for me now

1:05:31

and I don't mean to blame Instagram culture,

1:05:33

but you're constantly comparing yourself.

1:05:35

You know. That brings

1:05:37

me a lot of pride because I think I spend so much

1:05:39

time going like, oh, well, this person has that thing and I

1:05:41

don't have this thing, and I don't have as many followers,

1:05:44

or I don't have as many likes, or like

1:05:46

thinking about that kid with a typewriter

1:05:49

like to now and

1:05:51

getting paid to do it as pretty cool

1:05:53

and I probably should focus more

1:05:56

on that what I come from and how impossible

1:05:58

this all is instead of all

1:06:00

those things I still need to do. Yeah,

1:06:03

you know, and like all the winds everybody else

1:06:05

has, because I know people were probably looking

1:06:07

at me that way I was probably and people feel bad

1:06:09

about themselves like whatever eight

1:06:11

years or seven years ago or whatever, and

1:06:14

now I'm you know, you

1:06:16

have me all scatter right now, because that

1:06:19

was that's overwhelming to think about. But yeah,

1:06:21

i'd think for me, instead of comparing

1:06:23

myself to other people, I should just compare myself to the

1:06:25

sort of what I come from and where i've, where

1:06:27

I was, and what I wanted to

1:06:30

get paid to write? Is all I ever wanted to

1:06:32

get paid to tell jokes, to get paid to be funny.

1:06:34

It's all I wanted. And you're doing it and I'm doing

1:06:36

it and I'm totally doing it, so that's

1:06:38

all. Then I'm one. You know, I have

1:06:40

to like stay in that mindset because as soon as I leave here, I'll be

1:06:42

like, but oh my god, Chrissy Tea

1:06:44

and has a cooking line. I

1:06:48

need a guacamole maker line.

1:06:51

Why don't I have that? You know, Tiffany

1:06:54

Hattish has a spice collaboration

1:06:58

or whatever. How come I'm not promoting spices

1:07:00

like I'll find a way to make myself a failure.

1:07:03

Yeah, well, I hope you

1:07:05

don't do that as you leave

1:07:07

here. And it's been a real joy have you for

1:07:09

what it's worth. And I don't know if it's

1:07:11

worth much. I think you're doing

1:07:13

a great job. Thank you, And it's

1:07:15

not that you need my approval. I do, Yes, I do. It's

1:07:18

why I'm here. I didn't drive to Highland Park

1:07:20

to not get your approval. Well, you have it, but I

1:07:22

think I think you have it from

1:07:24

yourself too, So try

1:07:26

saying it every now and again. Thank you? Do

1:07:28

you think? Um? Would you watch my special

1:07:31

on a date? Would you Netflix and show

1:07:33

with my special? I

1:07:35

don't. I don't generally want stuff

1:07:38

on dates, not really. Yeah,

1:07:40

it feels like i'd rabably just be alone

1:07:42

watching stuff. That's a good point. But

1:07:44

but you know what, let me do it again. Ask me again,

1:07:48

would you watch my

1:07:50

special on a date? Like a Netflix and show?

1:07:53

And I heard that it airs on Netflix. It's

1:07:57

streams on Netflix. It's

1:08:00

on July thirtieth, came on July thirtieth.

1:08:02

Yeah, it's on it's available. Okay, fight

1:08:04

with you're a girl, you've been on for three days? Watch

1:08:06

my special. You guys will fight after. I think this will

1:08:08

make people fight after it, this

1:08:10

podcast or the this podcast, for sure,

1:08:14

but I think definitely couples

1:08:16

will fight afterwards. I heard one time after

1:08:19

Gone Girl. I was so overwhelmed

1:08:22

and angry after I watched that movie.

1:08:24

I couldn't stop talking about it. It's furious

1:08:27

fighting with strangers about it. First

1:08:29

time I ever got on like a chat room to fight with strangers.

1:08:31

And David Fincher set his goal

1:08:33

for the movie is that couples would watch and then fight in the

1:08:35

car on the way home. I

1:08:37

didn't. That's not why or how I wrote the special,

1:08:40

but I just thought it was. I hope that everybody

1:08:42

has different opinions about it. I think that's a

1:08:44

good thing. You know, I think so too. Yeah, people will

1:08:46

fight. Thank god. I'm glad we didn't

1:08:49

fight, though we didn't. Thank you for coming. And I'm just super

1:08:51

passive aggressives. Oh wow, If you

1:08:53

are, then I totally misread fight.

1:08:55

Whitney Cummings, thank you so much. Well,

1:09:30

there it is. I want to give us special thanks this week

1:09:32

to the people at the Lead Company and Benton

1:09:34

Ray. To learn more about Whitney,

1:09:36

you can visit her personal site at

1:09:38

Whitney Cummings dot com. If

1:09:40

you'd like to check out her new comedy special,

1:09:43

it's called Can I Touch It, and

1:09:45

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1:09:47

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1:09:49

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1:09:52

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1:09:54

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1:10:28

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1:10:30

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1:10:32

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1:10:42

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1:10:47

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1:10:49

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