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Hello, Steve, how are you, Michael?

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What's happening? My friend, Not

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too much. I'm pretty good. Right?

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Everything's Great. You feeling better this week.

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I'm glad to hear.

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We got a great guest today. Really

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great guests, almost Done

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with this podcast. What could be, what could be wrong?

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There's light at the end of the tunnel as this Shirley Is

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A long tunnel. Wow. I mean, really we don't.

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Our guests really needs no introduction.

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If you watch this podcast, you know exactly who this person is and have spent lots of time in her office.

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As we have a board in bay Ridge, Brooklyn grew up on long island, moved to France after high school worth.

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As a fashion model has appeared in over 60 films and TV series, including someone, someone, someone to watch over me, basketball, diaries, medicine, man, radio flyer.

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I married a mobster Rizzoli and Isles blue bloods.

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Her big break was playing Karen in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas.

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She's been nominated for an Oscar before Emmy's and four for four golden Globes, 71 episodes as Dr.

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Melfi on the Sopranos.

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Please welcome Lorraine. Cracow Hey,

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Larry. Welcome back. Lorraine Bronco.

3:37

Hello, Lorraine.

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Thanks for doing this. Good to see you as always Good

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to see, you know, we're Down

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to just a handful of episodes of the podcast.

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So we're talking about, we call it it'd be a Michael called HBO calls, but we're down to a handful and we want, what I want to know is how did you feel?

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Right? We had to, we finished season six, we had the big contract negotiation, and then we all went back to work and this was it.

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It was going to be nine more and hour.

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So what were you feeling?

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What was your feeling at that time? Well,

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I was always sad, you know, that it was the end.

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I mean, it was just such a great run.

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It was such a great cast and writing.

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I mean, it really, 20 years later, I can honestly say that it has withheld it's its beauty, right?

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It's I mean, it's, it's high regarded.

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And so, I mean, I was sad that, you know, we did do more.

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It was always, you know, in fact I loved it because I got to work in New York and live in New

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York. That was a big thing for me.

5:06

I was really happy about that. But as I think back, I remember being upset, the direction that David was bringing me healthy.

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I just felt that, you know, he, he wanted, he wanted me to get rid of him.

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I felt that he did it in a very abrupt way.

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I don't think that, you know, she should have done it that way.

5:35

Kupferberg was this when he turns around and did the whole jeopardy, is that when he did that to me in that, in those last episodes, I, I felt really bad that he outed me at the dinner.

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I felt that was really wrong, but that's the, that's the therapist in me.

6:03

He actors therapist in me and yeah.

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Now I would have liked it to have been more meaningful.

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I mean, I think she, she cared for Tony did not, you know, even though he wasn't fucked up and that maybe it was never good, really straighten out, but I think she cared for him.

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You know, you don't spend seven years with someone and, you know, and discard them.

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I felt bad about that.

6:39

Yeah. I think it was, they were trying to, he was really trying to paint Tony as having really gone, morally corrupt, like the cumulative effect of all his wrongdoings finally kinda came to fruition in this last season.

6:56

Okay. But wouldn't, it have been great to have had him say that to her.

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Fuck you. I'm doing what I'm doing.

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Maybe I don't, I don't care what you say to me.

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I don't care morally way. You want to try to guide me or whatever.

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I mean, I think that would have been powerful.

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Do you take Melfi? I know early on, but do you dig was sexually attracted to him even at the end?

7:25

No, I didn't.

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I never brought into that room.

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Any sexuality I had to void myself of, you know, any of those feelings, any big movement, you know, they were very, very, David was very strict about, you know, how she comported herself, which was very hard for me because as you see Very

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still, But

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compared to him, remember he's the catalyst he's telling the story.

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He's the one. So, and all of a sudden it started to be more like me, me that it would never have worked, then we would have been fucking on the table.

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I'm sorry. Did I just say that?

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You can say that You said it the last episode, actually, I don't know about what, you know, that's, that's really interesting.

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Cause you know, there was always with the audience, will they want that?

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You know, there's that kind of, you know, the sexual attention, does he, you know, flat out propositions you a couple of times know and wants to make it a conquest thinks he has feelings, but you know, But

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for him it was a conquest. It was never, you know, and I'm, by the way, very, very, very Austin that is sure.

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It is. It's a given fact that there are, you know, sexual and love feelings towards your therapist.

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It suits normal.

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I also think that Tony always wanted what he couldn't have Had with Juliana.

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He wanted what other people have always, you know, one of those guys, always looking in the other guy's pocket, you know?

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Yeah. When

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I went to therapy, I picked a therapist that looked like Steve, this way, I know that would never be an issue That I know.

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I would never, Never,

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never, never want to get down.

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I was his therapist. I wasn't, But

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you know, it's so funny because I remember talking to David in the beginning and I said, Tony is not going to talk to anybody that doesn't feel like neighborhood.

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Yeah. He was a woman helped.

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You were a woman helped.

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Yes. There was no doubt about that because you immediately felt the male in him and, and not threatened.

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He wasn't threatened by her threatened by her intelligence, but not by her.

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Yeah. Well, I loved about Melfi that she, she fucking antagonize it.

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She broke his bulls. A lot of times Melfi, Javed, that soft spot there, you know, you hit his WIC.

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A lot of times you didn't just sit back and Alicia, Alicia, Alicia,

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The, so your last, your last episode, so it was blue comet, episode 12, you weren't in the finale.

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Like I wasn't, we all watched it together, Florida.

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Now I know you went to the list, read through which I didn't.

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I should have went and I dunno, what did you go, Michael?

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I don't remember. I didn't go to the last week where I remember you going and asking me if I was going Lorraine.

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And for some reason, I don't know. I guess no one invited me, so I didn't go.

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But when it went to black finally, were you surprised that well, you knew, you know, I knew what was going to happen.

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I was still surprised. What was your feeling?

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Well, I had seen the show before we were all in Florida, so I knew, yes.

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Oh My

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God. What

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did you so no, I had not seen it since, until they let Eric know.

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Ah, that is something I had no idea.

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I, you saw it before that.

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Wow. Well I'm special Chris

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Albrecht to put it on the air. She called him up and said, what are you doing?

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This is a brake job. That's

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true. I did do that. So

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probably not many people were privy to that.

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You David Martin, Brucely not.

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So anyway, I mean, part of me says, well, it was David Chase's genius that we're still talking about this and confused about it 25 years later.

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And the other part says to me, you know, David saying, fuck you, I'm out of here.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I, you know, I don't have, you know, there's a million ways to go, dude, the guy killed him with the membership or what was it?

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The members only jacket, who knows.

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But you know, the genius says is that we're still talking about it.

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So for that Bravo David, So

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you have no, you have no opinion either way, if he's alive or dead.

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No. What you see is what you get.

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That's your thing. That's it? What, When

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I think he's alive, Michael,

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I go back and forth all the time. You know, at first I thought he was dead.

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Then I kind of revise that and think he's alive, he's alive.

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Then I thought it doesn't matter. What you see is what you get.

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Now I'm leaning towards these dead now, rewatching it really closely.

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Cause we're doing the lap. We're breaking down the last season.

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There's so many references to like things hanging over his head, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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There's a piano hanging over my head, you know, Carmelo.

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We saying what's going to happen. What's gonna, you know, there's just a lot of the whole, the whole coma shit.

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And him seeing, you know, the afterlife.

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I mean, it just seems like we're heading towards that.

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But I think the reality is probably more what you, what you say, what you see is what you get.

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There is no answer. And David's never said, I don't know.

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I don't even know what David says anymore. Cause it's, I

14:43

mean, you know, it, it was left up to all of our interpretation, the semis of the Sopranos, right?

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'cause one interview. David said that it was a death scene and then he kind of backpack backpedaled a little bit.

15:04

We had him on, I don't remember what did he say exactly when Shuffle,

15:10

they gave us a shuffle. He says, every time I missed out, I put my foot in my mouth.

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I mean, he's coming off for the finale.

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We'll ask him again. But this is my thing.

15:21

If they killed Tony, they killed maybe not the whole family, but they killed the members of the family.

15:29

They didn't just kill Tony.

15:30

He was sitting next to his, you know, his wife and daughter and Sean, somebody else died.

15:40

Well, that's a horrific thought, but okay.

15:44

And you wouldn't want it to see that on camera. That

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would have been awful. But you know, again, I, I think that the way David knew that that was the music he was going to use.

15:59

I think David is very, you know, Messiah in his thinking.

16:06

He's very specific Ultra

16:10

ultra specific. No, one's more specific than David.

16:17

Yeah. He won't give us an answer. He was shuffling a little bit, Maybe

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on his deathbed. He

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probably shouldn't, you know, Alex

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Taylor came forward and says, he thinks she died.

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That's right. It's

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like everyone has an asshole and they have an opinion.

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David directed the last episode. So, so even eat.

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So even the directors can't really chime in.

16:52

Cause they didn't. Where

16:58

do you think, What are you, where do you think Melfi is?

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You know, where was she? Five years after the show ended?

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Did she personally, did she get together maybe with how Howard Elliot.

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Elliot, Can

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I tell you, I don't know if I've said this to you on the first time we took this, you know that I begged David to play.

17:27

My husband really begged David

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David,

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you're

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going

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to

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have

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a

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sick,

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I don't know if David would have been up for interesting, but I begged him.

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I said, you're the husband play?

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My husband, my husband play him, play him.

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It's a small role. And he said, no, he was too busy writing, editing, blah, blah, blah, blah.

18:05

And he wouldn't do it. That

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would have been really interesting. Thank You

18:10

very much. Not just the pretty face.

18:15

I would have been really interesting. I

18:18

thought it would have been great. It was her, it was her Svengali.

18:22

He made a mistake and I have such deep love for him that I think it would have been really interesting.

18:35

No, we've never really seen him act though.

18:40

It's okay. I said it wasn't like he was gonna, you know, do fucking Shakespeare.

18:46

Oh. But maybe he just doesn't want it.

18:48

Maybe, you know, he Could have done it.

18:51

I would think he could because he's super talented, but maybe he didn't feel, He

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said he was too busy writing. He was editing.

19:02

I must have called him four times, But

19:07

you know what I think when you're, you know, like Terry, you know, had a small role and even I lean Matlin

19:16

Wine and they all did a good job.

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And I, David as a writer is imagination director.

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I'm certainly, I'm sure he could have done it.

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I was convinced with it. I'm still convinced That

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would have been really interesting. Lorraine,

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what would you have done different?

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Anything, would you have done different as Mophie if you had to do it over again Or

19:45

as Lorraine, just your experience or your approach or your, I don't know.

19:51

Again, I don't like the way he ended.

19:53

It was abrupt.

19:57

You know, I would have liked if he had come in with Carmela more often, that would have been fun.

20:09

I would have liked to do brought the kids in with him.

20:15

I always wished he would bring Christopher and to help them with a drug drug pro I think that would have been one of the funniest scenes.

20:22

I mean, I would have liked that most often in therapy, you do bring in your loved ones or people who are important to you.

20:30

And I think that could have been very interesting.

20:33

Sure. Or turn people on to his therapist.

20:35

I've done that in the past. Recommended someone To,

20:38

he could have brought us Good.

20:43

Why? The way she knew I did not know what's her face.

20:55

Yes. Yes. And Abella she knew Annabella Very

21:02

well. You know, that to me would have been interesting.

21:05

That would have been unusual, different that what you expect, but Hey,

21:14

Lorraine, at the beginning of the show, you were the only known actor for the most fought surely by the audience.

21:20

You know what I mean?

21:27

You have to be nominated for an Oscar, you know, name.

21:33

How was that?

21:37

What was that like? You were kind of the, Well,

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I can only thank Sharon Jaffe, Georgeann walking, who forced me to read the script because I had a rule, no more mob stories.

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I didn't care and didn't want to do it.

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I was, I did it already. You know, I was handed 400 mumps stories after good sellers.

22:05

And I, now I'm not doing it.

22:07

I don't want to do it. I'm not reading that.

22:09

Reading, not reading. And Sheila Jaffe who was testing, literally called me up and said, listen, this guy wants to meet you.

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Please just come in, let him meet you.

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He just wants to meet you. And I was like, Sheila, I don't want to do that.

22:31

I don't want to do that please.

22:33

Lorraine, please. And finally I just, she wore me down.

22:37

I read it. And that's when my whole, my whole inside changed because I had read anything like that.

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It was so different and unusual.

22:49

And of course I said to everyone, I, you wants to meet me for Carmella.

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And I said, I don't want to play Carmella.

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I want to play mousey. And they were like, don't tell him that.

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Don't tell him anything. Just come Swanee.

23:08

Right. Great instinct though.

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Really great instinct. The good thing yet.

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You're held your ground. That's for sure.

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Well, I'm lucky that Sheila really, you know, forced me to read it and come in Now,

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one more time. If you were being tortured bamboo under your fingernails and you had to give an answer, is Tony soprano alive or dead in the rain?

23:48

Nobody knows. David

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knows. David Chase knows.

23:53

Did you ever feel like he was threatened that though?

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That was a threat. Yeah, I

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did definitely. I mean, all the teacher was building up with a metal poking.

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Oh, you mean from the New York family, there was a lot of tension He's

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alive and well he's reading.

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I'm sorry to my feet is not going to kill you in front of your wife and kids.

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I want to believe that this code.

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No, no. I'm not saying that they wouldn't do it, but they would also have no choice, but to kill that.

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So that means they wipe out the family.

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And I don't know. I don't want to think that thought either.

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I guess I know.

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I only know what Michael tells me.

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I'm a ventriloquist.

24:47

I'm the dummy. That's it?

24:49

That's how it works. That's

24:51

how They

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would have shot him with the family. We've not that there's a code.

25:01

No, I

25:05

don't know. They killed, they killed Phil's brother and cold blood.

25:08

I dunno. Feel wouldn't give a shit.

25:11

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so.

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I agree. And they killed Joe Gallo.

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Was it? He would his wife and family.

25:18

I take Virto so I don't think that's the point Outside.

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Thank you very Much. Go.

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14 years later it was started.

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Thank you very much.

25:41

Thank you, Lorraine. Thanks for coming on.

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I love you, bro. Yeah. Thank you.

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Love you. Thank you very much.

25:48

Appreciate it. Good

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luck. Finding the answer to the end of this.

25:58

Thank you. There you go.

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Can't get an answer out of the Marine Bronco Or

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thinks she has An answer. Always good to see ya.

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She doesn't have, well, listen.

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I know no one has the answer, but they have their opinions.

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Like you have yours.

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Yeah. That's true. I

26:18

dig out on Tayla. He doesn't know any more than anyone else, but yet he's in the press, Shane it.

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So, you know, that's his opinion.

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Yeah. That's his opinion. That's true.

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34:21

Yeah. Season seven, episode six, Kennedy and Heidi first aired May

34:26

13th, 2007. Listen, we, everybody knows pretty much.

34:32

This is my last episode of the Sopranos.

34:34

So I've made a decision.

34:36

I think this should be my last episode of the podcast You're

34:42

out. Well, I think, I think we should follow the Footprint

34:46

now. Okay. So now do you want me to continue with someone else or just go solo?

34:53

That's up to you. Steve, Who

34:55

are you? Who would you want as your replacement?

34:56

Andy drunken.

35:01

Andy, you're going to leave me with these a fucking booze Hound.

35:03

I dunno. Maybe Willy, Willy

35:07

boy. Yeah. You guys look good together.

35:09

Whether He's my man. He's

35:14

My adopted son sleeps with me every day.

35:18

I don't know. I don't know how I can go on. I mean, my character's out.

35:21

We were following kind of thing. I

35:23

think you can do it Dick.

35:25

You're great in this episode, honestly.

35:27

I think you were great. It's a great episode.

35:30

All of these nine.

35:33

Yeah, it is a really good episode written by Matt Weiner, 11 out of the 12 that he did with David Chase, Matt Weiner and David Chase wrote this together.

35:42

They were nominated for an Emmy for outstanding writing of a dramatic series directed by Alan Taylor, eight of his nine.

35:50

He won the Emmy for this episode for the best director.

35:55

Were you nominated? Were you nominated for this episode?

35:58

You know, I

36:02

don't remember. I don't remember.

36:05

I think so. Yeah. I lost to a Weight

36:09

loss. No, I lost it.

36:11

The guy from lost, I forgot his name.

36:13

Sorry. No offense.

36:17

You're not sorry. And fuck him. Where was it?

36:19

It's over. He won. You did.

36:23

I don't remember. I never saw, I never saw the show.

36:25

The original title, the working title is episode was Sonia, which is the name of the character played by Sarah

36:37

Sonya means wisdom.

36:42

Is it your hi? Oh,

36:44

sorry. I don't know. That's a good question. Hi, Shanghai, Shanghai.

36:54

I think it's Shanghai. I think you're right.

36:56

Who's very good. In this episode, I really liked what she did, but Sonia means wisdom and it is kind of a, there's a certain Carlos Casteneda aspect of this.

37:06

I don't know if you've ever read any of his books, but they're about this anthropology student at UCLA, his encounters with a yacky Indian shaman from Northern Mexico.

37:19

And they, he takes payoti and he goes on this kind of wisdom quest.

37:23

I think that's where the, you know, the working title came from obviously Kennedy and Heidi is the name of the episode.

37:29

They're the teenage girls that are driving that caused Christopher to crash his car.

37:35

There's been many references to the Kennedy's on, you know, in Camelot of course, being the most, one of the most obvious and prominent Kelly Moltisanti at the funeral.

37:50

Tony says, look at her. She looks like Jackie Kennedy.

37:54

Well, let me ask you a question. If I would, I don't want to get into politics.

37:57

Do you think the Kennedy's were good people or not good people?

38:03

There's been so many things written about them.

38:09

I mean, listen, I mean a good people.

38:11

I mean, who's a good person. I mean, I don't know.

38:14

I mean, I think they're complicated people. I think, I think politically there were a lot of good things.

38:21

They did, you know what I mean?

38:24

Whether they were good people or not. I don't know if that matters as much because they were public servants.

38:28

What they got done. Yeah.

38:30

I mean, I don't know, Ted Kennedy, you know, you know his story.

38:32

Well, 10, I don't know.

38:35

I'm talking more. Yeah. Robert Kennedy, who was a good guy, they fought for civil rights, John JFK, I, you know, as well or A

38:44

lot of corruption with the father, you know, Joseph Kennedy, a lot of corruption, a lot of I'm

38:52

talking more about Robert and John.

38:54

I think they were, I think they had a lot of good intentions and got some good stuff done.

39:03

David called me and I'll get into it.

39:05

As we get to Vegas portion, David called me about this episode S a lot of Vegas questions and I'll get into that later on.

39:18

You know what, that's good. I want to, I want to hear what he had to say.

39:22

What do you have to ask and what you told him, Tony soprano, besides this accident, which is very, you know, critical to this show.

39:29

This episode was in three other accidents in Isabella.

39:33

Hey, Marie crashes, the car when the hit Hitman are trying to kill him in guy walks into a psychiatrist office, he passes out from the panic attack and has an accident.

39:42

And in irregular amount around the margins, when he's driving on the road with Adriana, they have a crash.

39:50

This is the fourth crash for Tony soprano.

39:53

I, you know, what, what I really admired about this episode is that obviously the big moment Tony kills Christopher idea, you know, the main character kills another main character.

40:04

It's kind of a shocking thing that happens, but it happens right at the beginning of the episode, pretty much, which is pretty wild.

40:11

I thought, Yeah, it doesn't happen at the end.

40:15

Absolutely. Did that show goes on. I noticed that very, very much, very early on, in Very

40:20

early on, which is it makes it, you know, you think that kind of moment comes at the end or something like that, but it was great.

40:26

It was a really great way to tell that story, A hundred percent, a hundred percent, The

40:34

garbage dump, the garbage truck dumps the specialists, the managers, if you can dump in all, you need to talk to your boss.

40:40

This is a huge job.

40:42

Where am I supposed to dump this?

40:44

And it's a great scene.

40:46

There's a kid here, Alexander, the Flores played by when they say, there's no small roles, here's a kid.

40:54

And he says, what are you doing?

40:56

Breathing and eating. And the kids says, you know, told me to take my break.

41:01

So the kids eating this, especially flying all over the place and the kid, you know, says something in Spanish, you know, what's the specialist, what's that?

41:11

He says, what is it? He doesn't know what it is.

41:12

Do you know His

41:15

face? There's no small roads, beautiful moment here, Very

41:19

specific and really nail, you know, in any other show that would just be a nothing moment.

41:24

You know what I mean? And, and nothing, character who that acted.

41:27

Those two actors really bring a lot to the, to that.

41:32

You know, what's weird.

41:34

I never knew this. Especially dose is a natural mineral.

41:37

Did you know that? Well,

41:40

they had a specialist mine out in, See,

41:45

I didn't know it was a Mar I thought it was some chemical shit.

41:47

It's not mined mineral that goes back.

41:51

They found it in the pottery from the stone age.

41:55

That was strengthened with asbestos.

41:58

Really? Yeah. You know, when I cleaned chimneys, I've talked about that.

42:02

When I was in college, I was a chimney sweep. And when we used to have to pull like the, from the boiler to the chimney, that thing we used to use your specialist, we had bags of his specials.

42:15

And I remember at the time you kind of knew maybe it was no good.

42:20

You know, they could have used plastic, but we all walking around with a specialist and I'm thinking what the fuck's going to happen 30 years from that.

42:31

Honestly. I mean, I worked with the specialists a lot.

42:34

I imagine if you did it for 20 years every day, you know, a hundred thousand people die out of asbestos related, you know, illness and many countries still produce it.

42:47

Russia, Russia is the number one producer of asbestos.

42:50

There's still, you know, yeah.

42:53

Now here in the streets, I mean, if it's in the schools or whatever, they close shit down in buildings, they'll close the building down.

43:01

It's a health hazard to everyone, you know, they'll, you know, they don't continue on, you know, No,

43:07

no, no. They have to. It's very dangerous.

43:11

And did a statue of Liberty, Christopher and Tony meet with Phil and Butch.

43:15

You know, I just now find out it's expressed as you, but w Derek, you know, Tony goes, come on.

43:23

You know what it is, you got the same skill shamed scam, Phil.

43:27

So why don't you cut through the bullshit?

43:29

You know, nobody's been hiding nothing.

43:33

I had to shame up and deal with the operations manager should a barroom sanitation filters.

43:40

Maybe it's Tampax. He's a sarcastic fucking, he wants 25%.

43:46

Phil just wants to, I think he wants to kind of crushed Tony soprano.

43:51

Basically. Christopher's obviously distracted Joe jonesing.

43:57

He's, you know, he's not in, he's not in a good head.

44:01

This was my last scene of the Sopranos, by the way.

44:04

That was my last day at the last scene.

44:08

Last moment. Well, you know, it's interesting because everyone always asks, what was it like shooting the death scene that, that it was the death scene was kind of another day at work, in a weird way.

44:17

And that scene that day, that day on set with the death scene, it was really all about the stunt, which was kind of mind-boggling that somebody actually did flip that car.

44:27

This was my last scene.

44:29

My last day at work, it was, you know, emotional, you know, it was strange.

44:36

Did you go out afterwards? I don't remember.

44:39

You know, Maybe

44:45

In some ways like we, we spoke about it. It never really sank until we were in Florida.

44:50

And watch that last episode, you know what I mean?

44:52

Cause there was still stuff to do.

44:53

There was going to be the premiere that might've been the Emmys.

44:56

It might've been this and that or whoever, whatever it wasn't over yet, Christopher is wearing a baseball hat in this scene and wears a baseball hat in his last scene, which is interesting because in the pilot, when we first see Christopher he's driving Tony soprano, he's wearing a baseball cap, he's wearing a collar, Colorado Rockies cap here.

45:18

He's willing wearing a Cleaver cap.

45:20

But I think there is some kind of full circle thing with the baseball Cap

45:25

and Michael doesn't wear a baseball cap.

45:27

I'm Not a hat guy, period. I'm not a, I never was.

45:32

Christopher's caucus, Vish, driving Tony, frankly, tone of digging.

45:36

We should meet his number. He should, I think that'll set a terrible precedent.

45:41

He tells me, he says, he's got them by the gods.

45:45

Right? Phil's got them by the balls.

45:47

You know, he says, he's the fly Flying

45:52

or flying ointment instead of the fly in the ointment, the flying at Christmas, like let them have it.

45:59

Life's too short. What happened to stop and smell the roses?

46:01

Tony kind of says, maybe you're right.

46:05

You know, he puts on the departed soundtrack comfortably numb as a pink Floyd song originally on the wall album, 1979 music by David Gilmore lyrics by Roger Waters, the lyrics were inspired.

46:22

It's interesting. Raj in 1977, Roger Waters had bad stomach cramps before a concert in Philadelphia.

46:27

Doctor gave him an injection of tranquilizers in film and, and well, Roger Waters says it was the longest two hours of his life trying to do a show.

46:38

He could hardly lift his arms.

46:41

Comfortably. Numb is about that experience.

46:43

This version is not the one from the pink Floyd album.

46:46

It's actually van Morrison singing it, Rick Danko and leave on helm of the band of playing new music.

46:54

And this was on the, the Scorsese department.

46:59

I've never seen it to be honest with you.

47:04

I should see it. Cause I like, I obviously like a Scorsese and he says, whatever happened to stop and smell the roses.

47:15

When he says on the other hand, life's too short to live as a Lackey, Right?

47:19

But then he says, Tony just looks at him and says this best dose.

47:22

And they both laugh. They have this little bonding moment.

47:26

Each day is a gift.

47:28

You know, I, I feel that with my kid, Tony says that stuff would Jr fuck all this.

47:34

Christopher talks about the story of this.

47:37

System's got no balls. And then the song plays and this lyrics that are very kind of, I think, pointed to the scene when I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse.

47:51

And in hindsight I have to say, this made me think of the many saints to Newark because when Tony was a child, he caught a fleeting glimpse of this kid, the child.

48:05

And then the song says the child has grown. The dream has gone.

48:07

Tony sees Christopher as a baby.

48:09

I cannot put my finger on it.

48:13

And Tony glances at Christopher and it's and he's seeing something I couldn't help, but not connect it to the movie there.

48:20

Obviously the movie wasn't made back then, But

48:23

I do think this, I think when Tony looks over at Christopher, I think he knows that he's high.

48:30

Chris was not high Christian.

48:33

You don't think, I think he is he's jumpy. I think he's coked up.

48:37

He had cocaine in his system. Yeah. He might. He's not high in heroin.

48:41

No, no, no. That might've Done. Yeah.

48:44

And he was looking at his watch when they were talking to Phil.

48:47

He's distracted.

48:49

And I think Tony kind of sees a little of that because fish a little jumping in the car and he's just him at one point, what is this?

48:58

Make believe ballroom kind of either you keep changing it.

49:01

Hey, fucking drive, relax.

49:04

You know? So I know there's a moment.

49:08

Yeah. He might've done some, a little Coke.

49:10

Right? I agree. Phil

49:13

is just a miserable fuck. They don't get along.

49:16

He tells you no, you know what?

49:20

He's talking about. Stop and smell the roses.

49:22

These said people like Phil, they stick the rose up their ass, go on first.

49:27

Him and that poached a visual Fox.

49:31

Yeah. Phil and Bush, Big

49:35

Fan guys. Heidi's call, you know?

49:38

So the, you know, th the swerves over Christopher swerves out away, another car is coming.

49:44

There's the two young girls, Heidi drive almost crashing into Christopher, the car, like you said, it's one of the most incredible stunt you ever saw.

49:56

And if anybody, if you haven't seen our episode with stunt coordinator, Pete, because you should see it because he goes into great detail about this stunt is it's one of the best ones I've ever seen on any movie TV show anywhere, but certainly the most dramatic on the Sopranos it's it was, there was a guy in that car that flipped, you know, I mean, they shot at many angles, so they repeated some of the flip, but he did flip it like four times.

50:20

I mean, it was really crazy.

50:23

And you know, Heidi, you know, they said, you know, maybe you should back Heidi and I just, Kenny, I'm on my learner's permit after doc.

50:31

That's a little soprano Uma, obviously that moment, you know that the two kids would be there and you got to learn his permit.

50:41

I mean, that's somebody else.

50:43

It would've just been a car. You would have never saw who was in the car.

50:46

You know, another show I

50:48

flipped the car, the car finally settles.

50:50

Christopher is really fucked up.

50:52

Tony's hurt. Christopher says I'll never pass a drug test.

50:57

You know, I bought a house in Westchester about an hour outside the city in 2007.

51:06

Right. And right when the show aired and there was a teenage kid who lived there with his parents before I bought it.

51:15

And in the garage on the wall, after I moved in, I saw he had written, I'll never pass a drug test.

51:23

Wow. Wow. I guess he left that message for me.

51:26

I don't know. Oh, is that what it was smart.

51:31

Alec. I'm sure With

51:35

the Vipers on the other side, He's

51:37

joking around somebody, somebody, this is see what Jason, Jason, Jason Minter, David Jason's assistant said somebody was showing pictures to the Inquirer over a hundred thousand dollars.

51:54

And there was pictures of Christopher dead in the car And

52:00

bad, Bad that was before social media.

52:03

Really most of it.

52:05

And it was really inquired in newspaper.

52:09

All right, Tony gets out of the car.

52:12

The Christian was there.

52:14

He wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

52:16

Correct. It was not wearing a seatbelt.

52:21

I do it for a second. Maybe Tony took the seatbelt off.

52:26

No, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. And Tony looks in and sees the branch would have probably killed the baby.

52:32

Cause it's right through the car seat there.

52:35

She was again, you know, the trees that we've had symbolic of deaths, especially in the Isabella episode, the long-term parking episode, Christopher after Paulie, you know, Rex Christopher's landscaping in that at the end of that episode, Christopher puts that tree and plants that tree.

52:55

So that's kind of repetitive theme death or, you know, I don't remember.

53:04

I'll be honest with you. I love that.

53:07

He says, call me a taxi, Christopher.

53:10

It looks like to me, he was going to die either way.

53:15

Well, He

53:18

looks like he was in bad shape. He was wheezing.

53:21

Also. I caught a little GAF.

53:24

He has the hat on and it sideways.

53:27

And then it doesn't have the hat on.

53:29

There was a little split second to that and I played it over and over.

53:33

So I saw it, him crucified.

53:34

The hat on that had, oh, really fucked up there.

53:38

I, you know, to be when Tony actually covers his nose and mouth there, you see the dead, Jim Jim's eyes are dead.

53:52

Tony Soprano's eyes are just dead Cold

53:54

clinical, no emotion, a Murder.

53:57

He's a murderer.

53:59

Do not forget this.

54:01

And he didn't think fucking twice about, He

54:04

didn't think twice, you know, junior uncle junior said at one point, Tony brought it up about drug addiction and Jr said, put him out of his misery.

54:13

Like we used to do in the old days. And you know, he's probably thinking about is he justified?

54:19

Why he's doing this. Christopher dies knowing that Tony kills him though.

54:24

There's a moment when Christopher sees him doing it.

54:26

Oh yeah. He looks up at him. It's great moment.

54:28

Was that in? Did you do that or was that in the direction?

54:32

I don't remember. It's a great scene.

54:37

A sad scene. Very

54:39

sad. Really, really sad. I mean, watching.

54:41

It was, and like you said, I kind of remembered it much more Tony figuring it out.

54:46

Should I, should I not? Is he going to die? So you're not.

54:49

He just goes right after him and kills him fucking For

54:53

a split. Second, he opens the phone, like he's going to call, closes it home.

54:57

No two ways. He doesn't care.

54:59

He's holding it while the car is a good fit.

55:02

The light is on his face.

55:04

As he's holding your nose and mouth and there's a car passes.

55:10

What are the main reasons? Give me the top two reasons why Let's

55:14

say Christopher is not getting sober.

55:20

He's not being six here.

55:23

And like Jr said is a detriment.

55:27

You could flip it any time.

55:30

That's why I think he's still pissed off about the movie.

55:34

Oh yeah. That's for sure. But the biggest thing is if Christopher gets busted, he'll give him up in a second junkie.

55:41

I'm hearing you up in a second. Yeah.

55:44

You know, it's hard enough, you know, just in general you get arrested.

55:50

You're facing, you know, 50 years in jail.

55:53

Hell life in prison. You give somebody up.

55:56

But now, you know, you're a junkie.

55:58

You're not thinking straight. You could get caught with the littlest bullshit.

56:02

You know? So I think that's the biggest thing.

56:05

It's self serving. The reason he kills him.

56:08

It is not to do with the other guys or anybody else it's him and him alone.

56:14

And I think he also has some petty resentments about Juliana.

56:17

I think he has some resentments about the movie and just you to annoy him.

56:25

I think it's been building up. He's got the motor Christopher, moved up the ladder Christopher's, you know, got left behind there.

56:33

She's not around as much.

56:35

He can't handle those. Look. You know, there was that scene.

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Hospital. Tony's taken out of the ambulance.

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You brought the emergency. He gets tested.

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He X hours friend.

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How is he your friends?

1:03:25

Did you know, contact number the nurse in the EMT.

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Very cold. I guess they do this every Day.

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Very cold soprano bedroom. The nurse calls Carmella.

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Who's this? I mean, your husband like to speak to you shut down.

1:03:42

I mean, Tony, instead of just coming right out with a Christmas debt, August shitting down, sweetheart, there's been an accident.

1:03:49

It's like, come on, tell me you already got dammit.

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Yeah. It's a hard thing to say, but ed man, that gasp, I mean, she just plays it.

1:03:57

Like I it's as real, as real could be my friend, The

1:04:03

road, the car flip you. Okay.

1:04:05

I bang my knee. They're going to get, they're going to call Kelly.

1:04:08

If they haven't already get out and read around the phone, you know, Tony's taken care of business.

1:04:12

She's just, what's about to happen here.

1:04:15

Cabela's very upset Christopher's house.

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He looks at the hat and the t-shirt and the blood all over it.

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And he looks at it and there's no emotion at all.

1:04:25

None at all. He's he murdered them. That's it?

1:04:27

This is like any other at this point From

1:04:33

that. So Tony looks at the blood bloody t-shirt bloody hat.

1:04:36

Christopher's dad. There's this blood cut to it's Paul Schaffer on late night with David Letterman, kind of laughing in this very weirdly sinister way.

1:04:47

And then Kelly screaming.

1:04:51

It's almost, there's something almost from Tony's coldness to that kind of sinister, laugh, something very satanic and disturbing about it.

1:05:03

It's very tough to look at. She should chili just fucking devastated soprano bedroom.

1:05:09

Now I'm going to bring something up here and I don't know if you agree with me or not, but should we Paulie and Walden played by Frank

1:05:20

John Hughes. He's only been in a few episodes.

1:05:22

We came as soon as we heard this thing, we, you know, we remember, you know, Tony, you could kind of tell he's lying.

1:05:30

And I think Silvio knows it.

1:05:34

Sylvia was very smart. If anyone's going to pick up on it, it's Silvio The

1:05:39

way he's looking at him, the way Tony's lion Silvio smart.

1:05:42

And it knows him better than anyone else LVO

1:05:45

knows that something's not being revealed.

1:05:48

An interesting point at the beginning of this scene, you hear the sound of a Crow cawing.

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If you remember fortunate son, when Christopher is getting made, there's a Crow in the window that Christopher sees that really disturbs him, that he says it was a bad omen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I did hear the Crow.

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Bobby skid marks all over the place poorly, poorly always makes sure about himself.

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He had a heavy foot he had a heavy cut that kid.

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Always. He almost put me to a billboard.

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So again, back to him, Back

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to him. Yeah. He almost put him to a billboard.

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Not that the guy is dead.

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You know what I mean?

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Then he kisses Tony's ass, you know, you know, you know, he's just fucking idiot.

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Tony soprano says, you know, he didn't have his sheep poked on his, pulled up suffocated, but Tisha alcohol drugs and Paulie kitchens, fucking Tony's ass shit, at least you're okay.

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Skip. You know, and it did not sense with Carlos his arrival, the guys are very upset.

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Christopher was a well-liked guy.

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He was well-liked by everyone.

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You know, what's interesting is during the intervention, Christopher said, I should, I should suffocate you.

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He says here was he high?

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No, he wasn't high would have strangled him.

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But in the intervention, he says, I should suffocate you.

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He says Dr. Christopher. So

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you think they knew that Christopher was going to die this way back then?

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Or because that was said, that's how they, I

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don't know. Interesting, but I'm in it is interesting.

1:07:36

Are you gathering up your question for David Chase when it comes on the finale?

1:07:41

I should've just been like, I'm going to point Blank.

1:07:43

Ask some, if Tony's alive or dead, you should.

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There's no wiggle room here.

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I'm going to answer.

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Give me an answer. You should ask him.

1:07:52

I think that's good, But we need to start writing questions out.

1:07:56

I, I, yeah, let's do that. This is a good one about I'm going to write this down.

1:08:02

What would have happened To Olivia furcation three o'clock and he makes sure you write some of these down.

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Please keep track of these. Cause What

1:08:10

the fuck I drink that? I

1:08:13

think it's, what's a funny, is a Christopher's was dedicated to the program after he threw a little poly out the window.

1:08:19

It's just, I thought that was kind of a funny line.

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Let's not go there.

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Let's not go there. And then, You

1:08:27

know, Walden says, and I think that's Carlos pulling up, but then they say something else about Carlo.

1:08:33

And, and then Sylvia says what okays about Carlos arrival.

1:08:39

Very funny soprano house, the kitchen.

1:08:45

You know, when there's death is food and Italian, How

1:08:52

You know, they sent out for big goals. It looks like you want to make a plate.

1:08:57

All the guys are downstairs. Bobby's eating a bagel, food, food, food, always food, But

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Tony doesn't want food. He wants a scotch.

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He wants A scotch. He tells metal.

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You should have one too. You know, the cousins were close.

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They're not cousins. Christopher and Mero are not cousins.

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Well, I Don't know about blood, The

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cousins cause Christopher and Carmella will cousins, Blood

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Cousins. I think so. I

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don't think so. But you know they were very close.

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Bobby. He comes down, Bobby clears out there at the counter.

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Here comes Tony scratch and get yourself one Paul.

1:09:44

He says, I know I had my differences.

1:09:45

This is where he says, if you his dad, I was just not truncal.

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What the fuck do I know?

1:09:51

You know, he's, you know, Maybe

1:09:53

I didn't do right by him. He says, maybe I didn't do right by the kids.

1:09:57

We fighting over bullshit money, breaking his balls when he tried not to drink.

1:10:01

And Tony just says, it's over, He's

1:10:05

feeling guilty, feeling very guilty Pauly because they did.

1:10:09

And it's like a lot of times, you know, you say things that really mean nothing.

1:10:18

And then you go, what the fuck was the big deal?

1:10:23

Why don't I worry about all this shit at the end of the day?

1:10:28

So was it really that important Christopher

1:10:30

House? Tony sits at the table with Kelly's mom and dad.

1:10:36

Christopher's mom, Janice meadow, Carmella, Bobby.

1:10:41

Then Greta gives the news.

1:10:44

They found cocaine in his blood.

1:10:46

I don't think they find that out so soon.

1:10:48

Take city.

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He may have made it, but he didn't.

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Oh, the father-in-law is very upset.

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Calls him a wackadoo. He's left his granddaughter.

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Fatherless. Joanne is drinking heavily.

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She's in prison.

1:11:04

A lot of drama. Then Patsy comes in with the news.

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Coley's mother died Nucci stroke.

1:11:15

She went to see the Jersey, boys concert.

1:11:17

She died on the bus.

1:11:20

She died on the bus after seeing Jersey, boys, another Frankie Valli reference, plenty of them.

1:11:27

Al's pissed off the airbags. Crushed your ribs.

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Metal says, if you're not wearing a seatbelt, Bobby's watching a basketball game eating.

1:11:35

He doesn't look like he's mourning that much Know,

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listen, you go in and out. When you're mourning, it's not at all.

1:11:43

Chris's mom drinking, hysterical, crying, and crying.

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And she wasn't a very good mother to him growing up.

1:11:52

We know that, right? She

1:11:54

was an alcoholic Murphy's

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office. Tony says, it's difficult.

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This is pain. I'm not used to.

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It was like a son. I see him die like that practically in my arms.

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And then he says, it's bullshit. I'm fucking relieved.

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It's a drag drag on my emotions.

1:12:15

You know, he's complaining every morning I wake up thinking is today, today that one of my best friends is going to die me on the FBI.

1:12:21

It's about him and a weak fucking nibbling lying drug addict, which is why he killed him.

1:12:28

That's the worst kind.

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Let me tell you something.

1:12:32

I've murdered friends before, even relative my cousin, Tony, my best friend posts, but this Tony completely heartless Mophie surprise.

1:12:42

She's how ruthless Tony is.

1:12:44

And we find out and the next scene, it's a dream.

1:12:49

I didn't know it was a dream when I first saw it.

1:12:53

Well, when he says I've murdered friends and relatives, Maybe

1:12:55

he's going, you know, she can't tell can't you tell, I think You

1:13:00

think you can, he would never tell her that shit.

1:13:03

Soprano bedroom, Tony wakes up from the dream.

1:13:05

Was I talking to my sleep, Kamala canceling Dick Cavett, who I've worked with, you know, the Kevin, I

1:13:12

do know Dick. We met him. He came to one of the plays at studio, Dante.

1:13:17

He just showed up somehow one of the That's,

1:13:21

the Legend. And then he wanted to come to the acting class.

1:13:24

So one night he came to the acting class that I was teaching with Vince Cortona, Sharon, Angela, Nick Sandow.

1:13:31

He was a guest teacher and he did a trip.

1:13:35

You know, the night of the play, Jim was there.

1:13:37

I forget which play was. But again Afeni was in the audience as was Cabot.

1:13:41

So after the play, you know, we were hanging out, having a few drinks in the theater.

1:13:46

Dick Cavett did a trick.

1:13:48

Dick kava was, is a small guy, right?

1:13:52

So he, he stood still and he said to Jim, okay, pick me up.

1:13:57

And Jim was a big strong guy.

1:14:00

Piggy kind of picked him up like this, grabbed them, you know, like a bear hug and lift him off his feet.

1:14:04

And then he goes, okay. And Dick went, he took like a deep breath.

1:14:10

Concentrate goes. Now pick me up again.

1:14:11

And Jim couldn't do it really was one of the weirdest things I ever saw.

1:14:16

I was like, he goes, well, I studied at Akido.

1:14:18

I don't know what the fuck he did.

1:14:20

Couldn't Jim could not pick him up the second time.

1:14:25

Wow. And then Dick, the first concert, my band played in New

1:14:30

York. Dick introduced us at Don Hills.

1:14:34

I was there. I was there that night. You Know, he's the best talk show hosts in history, the episodes, especially with the musicians, with John and Yoko and Jimmy Hendrix.

1:14:44

I mean, just, You got all those guys.

1:14:46

He was on at the, you know, when costume was on.

1:14:50

Right. But he was new.

1:14:52

He was a hip guy. He was on ABC.

1:14:55

And you know, he was a health guy.

1:14:58

He comes from the same places, Ronnie costs, right?

1:15:03

What was it? Oklahoma, Nebraska,

1:15:07

Nebraska. I did a movie with him called Dwayne Hopwood.

1:15:11

And we had a reading in Tribeca and I was getting off the train.

1:15:15

He was getting off the train and I bumped it to him.

1:15:19

He introduced herself. We walked in together.

1:15:21

He had a small with David Schwimmer and I got to know him and I've run into him numerous times.

1:15:28

And he's a likable guy, the best flat out delightful guy.

1:15:32

And if you want, he had Marlon Brando on Another

1:15:37

guy from Omaha, Nebraska, Brenda was from, And

1:15:41

he had Norman mailer.

1:15:43

He had all these different kinds of gifts that would go on Johnny Costa.

1:15:47

And it was a whole different vibe.

1:15:49

Well, it was much better than Johnny Carson. Cause they'd actually have a conversation.

1:15:52

It wasn't just like plugging something and trying to get a laugh and trying to kind of, you know, entertain data, actually talk, they'd get into deep discussions about politics, about life, about, you know, you know, that's, that's why it was a good show.

1:16:06

You know, a lot of these late night shows, it's just, you'd do a pre-interview they're going to bring up a story that you're going to tell.

1:16:12

You're going to tell a little anecdote. There's not really conversation like this.

1:16:16

Like you and I having a real moment.

1:16:19

It's almost always like that. They going to ask you this.

1:16:22

Well, they're going to ask you this.

1:16:24

And then you're going to tell this story and you've gone over the story and they very rarely stray and what they do sometimes the late night talk show, they have a based on your answer.

1:16:36

They have a joke. Ready?

1:16:38

Yeah, I understand.

1:16:40

So if I go like, like I, I remember what I didn't let off for the first time.

1:16:45

So it was so Thiebaud Vegas, what was your first job?

1:16:48

I said, well, I delivered pizzas. And he says, what does he say?

1:16:52

It's amazing. Anyone ever got to that?

1:16:54

And any, any of them got Punched

1:16:57

him in the face when he said that, But that was, that was the joke.

1:17:02

And just punched him right in the face. So That's

1:17:04

what they did. So it's never a conversation cause it's not real.

1:17:08

So it's like a shadow. You going to ask me this?

1:17:11

I'm going to say that it's a little nerve wracking.

1:17:13

You know, It's

1:17:15

bullshit is what it is. But his show was a real conversation and that's why it was great.

1:17:20

What's interesting here. It's Katherine Hepburn being interviewed by Dick Kevin.

1:17:23

She says, I laugh. I cry.

1:17:25

I act, I always get the part in red in the face.

1:17:27

All of which is Tony. Tony's red on the face from the airbag burns.

1:17:32

He's laughing, he's crying.

1:17:34

He's acting. He's pretending. It's an interesting little chore.

1:17:36

Why'd they choose that for that reason?

1:17:39

Maybe. No. She was with Spencer Tracy for years or wasn't she?

1:17:44

Well, they did a lot of movies together. I think they had kind of a, I think he was married and there was an affair.

1:17:51

Tracy was a really bad alcoholic.

1:17:54

I don't know if he knew that.

1:17:56

Oh, oh, oh, I'm talking about My

1:17:59

favorite actors. Do you know that?

1:18:01

I think he's a genius St. George hotel in Brooklyn Heights.

1:18:05

He would check it and bring log it's full of liquor, tons of liquor and just stay in the bed top, barely eat.

1:18:19

And the string I'm talking a week or two, she would come and stay with him and the kind of nursing back to health.

1:18:27

And then he would clean up and then go out and work.

1:18:31

None of that. Then X amount of time later, the same thing.

1:18:34

It's legendary. You could read a ton of stuff here.

1:18:37

That that's, that was it.

1:18:39

Honestly horrible.

1:18:44

But like you say a terrific Actor,

1:18:49

Soprano kitchen, Tony goes to get coffee, a Cleveland mug, a walks outside and he throws it in the woods.

1:18:56

Ever since the movie, they started talking about the movie.

1:18:59

We've seen Cleaver hats, Cleveland mugs, you know, all kinds of Cleveland stuff.

1:19:06

Tony had enough of Cleveland. That's where you say he really irritated him.

1:19:12

Well, Christopher did in that movie portraying how he portrayed Tony surprise.

1:19:17

Absolutely. He hated the portrayal.

1:19:19

He also hated the whole distraction of the thing.

1:19:22

And Christopher's head was in that.

1:19:24

And rather than in a day-to-day business and the shit with little poles, I

1:19:30

don't know About that. I think it had a cult following.

1:19:32

Oh Really? I don't know.

1:19:34

I don't think Age

1:19:36

certainly did. Yes. You

1:19:39

saw that that's in your head.

1:19:43

I would think it made a lot of money. I

1:19:45

saw no proof anywhere that ever happening.

1:19:49

You don't know. I don't always need proof, Steve.

1:19:54

Well, apparently from the bullshit that you say on this podcast, there is no proof in any of that.

1:19:59

That's right. I think it probably eventually made a lot of money.

1:20:05

You think you have proof of people coming back as animals?

1:20:11

Oh, I don't come back as animals.

1:20:14

I mean, Yeah, but it's not like people come back.

1:20:18

It's mine stream that comes back. It's not, I

1:20:21

told you, Willie, I think is my mother-in-law man.

1:20:24

He fought like my mother-in-law eats, like my mother-in-law he's nosing.

1:20:29

Like my mother-in-law, you know what I mean?

1:20:31

He's nosy. Is

1:20:35

he jealous? I

1:20:38

don't sure you kidding me.

1:20:40

If I go and hug my wife, he goes crazy.

1:20:42

Well, the kids, my daughters come over, he goes crazy.

1:20:47

He very jealous, very jealous.

1:20:52

My mother-in-law wasn't jealous. She was a good woman.

1:20:55

Soprano kitchen.

1:20:57

Tony talks to Carmella, I think to myself, how could I ever have said those things about him?

1:21:03

Carmelo says he would have never, because remember she, she thought that maybe he did.

1:21:10

Sometimes he was handy. He was responsible for missing.

1:21:14

Now she's saying there's no way He

1:21:18

loved her. You know, he never, you know, I have guilt about what I said about Adriana.

1:21:22

He never would let himself take her life.

1:21:25

Why are we always so quick to blame?

1:21:26

Tony's just cold as ice here.

1:21:30

Know? No, you know, there's no guilt, you know?

1:21:33

And then he asked her, it's so weird. He asked her, are you relieved?

1:21:36

And she's like, what the, what are you talking about?

1:21:41

Because that's how he's feeling. Obviously combo says it's hard not to think of Chris as a child.

1:21:45

And I get that. And then Tony gets a, you know, a bad joke.

1:21:51

Especially when his daughter, Kathy looks like him.

1:21:53

a funny line.

1:21:58

Can you make me coffee? That machine for poorly?

1:22:02

You need a pilot's license. Yeah.

1:22:04

Some of those machines, I like that. Everything

1:22:07

is insane. If I did that, my wife, I couldn't make it to a day.

1:22:12

I was in a hotel and they had a fancy in the room.

1:22:15

There was a fancy coffee maker.

1:22:17

It took me an hour and a half to figure out how to make coffee.

1:22:21

It's crazy.

1:22:24

It was horrible. I couldn't find the power button.

1:22:26

I know That's crazy. Even on some of the lights.

1:22:28

How about like a, you know, like in Vegas, when you stay in a place where they have the remote, the curtain and that curtain in this car and it drives you crazy.

1:22:38

I know. Especially if you come in a little fucked up.

1:22:43

Yeah. You're trying to figure out how to put the lights on.

1:22:45

Know, I know The

1:22:47

fucking phone, the street, but you're closer.

1:22:49

You know, Carmela says a lot of women find Christopher attractive.

1:22:59

Christopher had a lot of good looking women. Yeah.

1:23:04

The Tony gives the about the cost sheet that the baby would have been mangled beyond recognition.

1:23:10

She says, I did feel guilt. I was relieved when I found out that it was him not you.

1:23:16

And she feels guilty about that.

1:23:18

She said, Chris held me when you were shot.

1:23:20

He says a tree bangy Caitlin would have been dead.

1:23:24

And she just walks away. She's kind of like, kind of, really not down with what he's saying and kind of shocked at his insensitivity here and his coldness.

1:23:33

She senses it. You know, you know, to be honest, you know, Christopher, I mean, of course he's a murderer.

1:23:40

So everything is relative here. They're all murders.

1:23:42

Every one of them. Well, Christopher, I don't think he was a bad guy.

1:23:46

He was a Naval guy with a big problem.

1:23:49

He was a junkie. Made them do some crazy shit.

1:23:52

But know, once we got promoted and started moving up the ranks, you know?

1:23:59

Yeah. He tried, he tried to do the right thing, but it was a day late and a dollar short.

1:24:05

I mean, they're, they're flat out, you know, murders.

1:24:07

What was that? Psychopaths?

1:24:08

Sociopaths Sociopath.

1:24:15

So Tony tells Murphy. I told her about the baby seat.

1:24:18

She won't feel so right.

1:24:19

I don't know how that works.

1:24:22

I mean, he was high as a fucking guy.

1:24:24

I didn't tell her that I'm the asshole.

1:24:26

Again, there's been some hard moments.

1:24:27

Why a drug addict fantasize about my Don downfall.

1:24:31

We even show people in his filthy thoughts on a movie screen.

1:24:38

It's so weird. I mean, he talks about his cousin, Tony B, they shot his face away.

1:24:42

I carried this kid through the worst of his grief, a huge problem of his own making.

1:24:48

I handled it. I felt sorry for him.

1:24:50

He talked to gratitude, but she, you know, shit on, you know, shit on the pity.

1:24:54

He's talking to his therapist about his nephew or whatever.

1:25:02

He calls him who he killed. So he's in, what is he trying to do in therapy is what I get.

1:25:09

What I don't get? What, what the fuck is he doing?

1:25:11

He wants to get it off his, he there's no one else he could tell in the world, But

1:25:16

he's not telling us. He's Not telling you.

1:25:18

Can't tell if you tell him I know that.

1:25:20

So what is he trying to do? He's basically trying to say my, my nephew was a fuck up and it's kind of okay at it.

1:25:26

He's dead. Yeah. I am.

1:25:28

I'm not, I'm relieved that he's dead.

1:25:30

It's okay. That he died.

1:25:32

She knew when everything, but telling her that he killed up, killed him.

1:25:39

I took up the slack.

1:25:41

He cried. I could deal with it. You know how you're handling this?

1:25:44

And she had he complaints. I got to go to the funeral.

1:25:48

I got to sit there with people who are hurting bad.

1:25:51

That makes me feel like a hypocrite backed him.

1:25:54

It makes him feel that he's The

1:25:58

guy. Yeah. And

1:26:00

that's what makes me mad at them.

1:26:02

So he's going to get mad at them.

1:26:04

Cause he feels like a hypocrite because he murdered this kid.

1:26:09

This scene to me, really shows what this final season is about.

1:26:12

Tony soprano has become evil.

1:26:17

He's dead.

1:26:18

There's something just fucking dead.

1:26:20

There's something dead in him here.

1:26:22

You know, he killed this guy in cold blood, his nephew, whatever his relative.

1:26:28

There's something that has died inside this guy.

1:26:31

And what's left is, is evil.

1:26:33

I really see that here. Satanic, almost really.

1:26:37

Tony tells Melfi, you know, Chris's mother abandoned him as a kid, but now getting shipped to you in tears, she's crying and everyone, you know, she was a shitty mother, but now, you know, she's getting the ship at sea.

1:26:50

He doesn't like that. Yeah.

1:26:52

Our son's dead. Like it or not talk up or not drunk.

1:26:56

I'm going to tell you something. As I get older, I find funeral wakes to be just flat out better for the people that have to go.

1:27:07

It's for Barrick to me.

1:27:09

And what about Memorial? I

1:27:12

don't mind the Memorial celebration of life, but to go to a funeral.

1:27:16

And I just went to a few recently of course, friends laid in a casket, you know, on display, like some kind of fucking, I don't know what.

1:27:30

And people are at the wake and they're laughing and they're joking like a cocktail party, not everyone's morning.

1:27:39

And they go up and they go online.

1:27:41

It's an obligation. They don't want to be there, but they got to go show their face.

1:27:45

They don't want to go.

1:27:47

And it's fair to me.

1:27:50

And it's very hypocritical and it's open casket thing.

1:27:55

And I gotta be honest. I mean, you know, and then it's all good things, you know, then, then they say, he looks good.

1:28:04

This just like Carmelo says here. Oh, he looks great.

1:28:07

Doesn't look great. They did a beautiful Job.

1:28:09

Beautiful job. He looks horrible.

1:28:11

I remember when we shot that scene, you looked horrible.

1:28:14

You got the fucking lipstick shit on your lips.

1:28:17

It's scary. Horrible.

1:28:19

No one ever looks good in the casket ever fucking stop this ritual, stop it.

1:28:26

You want to celebrate this man woman SLIFE Do

1:28:31

that. I find it very weird. I find If

1:28:33

I have a fucking party laugh, remember the good times, you know, remember the time you spent.

1:28:41

No, I

1:28:43

don't want that. You don't want to remember the good times.

1:28:44

You're going to talk about everybody who Yeah,

1:28:47

but I'm not going to be in a casket.

1:28:48

I'm not going to be in the casket.

1:28:51

You ain't never going to see me. I'm gone Just

1:28:53

on the video. We'll see. You'll see on the video when I'm gone, I guess some to settle, but that has nothing to do with me.

1:29:03

Laying in a casket in a big, shocking fucking casket, Apollo be spilling out.

1:29:08

Won't fit the casket and you guys will be there.

1:29:11

Oh yeah, this fucking, she was a pain in the ass, but we gotta be nice.

1:29:15

Look at this fucking guy.

1:29:16

He annoyed the shit out of us. You know?

1:29:18

I like when they go see lit up every room, he was in what?

1:29:23

A guy, he lit up every room. Now some people are pricks and they died and they would meet spirited.

1:29:31

Stop with this fucking wake shit already come out with Tony and people like it.

1:29:42

Like we see one of the greatest stick themes in TV history, three to five and six.

1:29:47

Wasn't she? Two to five, seven and nine in the early episodes.

1:29:50

Why did they change your name? I don't know, But

1:29:53

it's still two to five. Seven to nine. And what did I do?

1:29:55

You're going to eat now. You can eat before.

1:29:57

No we'll eat in between. If you see any funeral, Paula, there's always bars and restaurants, very close to them.

1:30:04

That do really well. They do very well.

1:30:08

The wake they eat in between the family, you know, all that.

1:30:12

Can I remember my grandfather passing away?

1:30:14

I was young. I was 11 years old.

1:30:16

It was three days.

1:30:18

And then the church three Days,

1:30:21

that's crazy.

1:30:23

You Know, the, the two to five, seven to nine eating in between half the horrible, horrible, horrible.

1:30:32

Yeah. They see Juliana's skiff sh she's great.

1:30:37

And that little moment, you know, such a good actress, even in that little moment, there's so much unsaid and it's just great.

1:30:46

The three of them, ed Jim and Julianna Margulies.

1:30:49

I dunno.

1:30:50

I just love the moment. E Carmel is a little suspicious.

1:30:54

Of course, she's not sure who he was, who she was.

1:31:00

Good-looking woman. She probably assumed any woman that Tony knows he's fucked her or tried to fuck her.

1:31:10

She's thinking that it was Christopher's goomada I don't know what she's great.

1:31:14

She almost laughs at one point, you know, and he says, how are you?

1:31:17

She almost like, it's weird. It's a, it's an uncomfortable moment.

1:31:20

It's very good. Very specific.

1:31:22

She tells, she tells Carmela, I'm a recovering addict.

1:31:25

I owe him a lot Carmela.

1:31:27

They sit down since I'm going to go up, he says, I'll go up later.

1:31:31

You know, Carmela says he loved you so much.

1:31:36

And then Tony says, really, you know, well, you know, he did Daniel

1:31:43

Baldwins there, which was a great little detail having it there.

1:31:46

And the director of Cleaver Morgan

1:31:49

yam. Yeah. That was pretty cool to have them.

1:31:51

Oh, so you guys did the air, the two to five, three to five, whatever.

1:31:55

The two to five, seven to nine, never misses awake.

1:31:58

I told you there was a girl pat in my neighborhood, she went to everyone's funeral and you know, people don't know where they come from.

1:32:06

If you have a family, it could be a friend of this one, that one, this person.

1:32:10

So you don't know who comes in to the funeral.

1:32:15

And Then, you know, of course Christopher's mother is screaming and you know, I've seen that.

1:32:20

They try and he, she goes on James

1:32:21

Brown. Now like James Brown used to, you could see it on YouTube when James Brown, when he would say good night to the audience and guy comes out with the Cape and he falls down and he's crying and you seen that, it's incredible James

1:32:35

Brown. And you know, I've seen that, you know where I'm at a funeral.

1:32:40

When my father died, there was screaming, you know, just like insanity, like insanity on top of the grief.

1:32:55

It's fucking insanity. People

1:32:58

get, you know, people get crazy. Their emotions run wild.

1:33:00

We had Marianne Leone who came on a Marion.

1:33:06

The only played Joanne.

1:33:08

She came on the podcast, spoke about this scene, you know, because it wasn't long after her own son, Jesse passed away.

1:33:15

And this was a, this was a, a rough one for her.

1:33:19

And she was a trooper and went for it.

1:33:22

Great job.

1:33:25

I feel like shitting in that corporate for hours, We'll

1:33:29

be in a conference kind of creepy. It was the second time I was in a coffin.

1:33:32

I, the first time was in a movie called basketball diaries with Leonardo DiCaprio.

1:33:37

My character died of cancer and that one and not a fun feeling.

1:33:42

Did you have a choice? Did they ask you that you want to be in it or a closed?

1:33:47

Oh, I'm not that I'm not that I think they closed the casket and that one.

1:33:52

No. I mean the soprano one.

1:33:57

No, I mean, I didn't, I don't mind doing it.

1:33:59

I'm not afraid to do it. I'm not superstitious that way.

1:34:01

Look, I went in.

1:34:03

I'm not dead. That was a long time ago.

1:34:05

So I

1:34:07

dunno. Maybe it's not really you I'm talking to.

1:34:12

I mean like now you getting like me, Maybe

1:34:14

it's free Christopher. I

1:34:17

like Paul McCartney. Remember that?

1:34:21

Ooh. Seems to have gone off the rails.

1:34:22

What's what's his fucking beef with the rolling stones.

1:34:25

He's big 79.

1:34:27

Paul McCartney. Now he was beefing with Yoko.

1:34:30

Now he's beefing about the rolling stones.

1:34:32

He called them what a blues cover band.

1:34:34

What's that? What's that That's

1:34:38

a low blow because Paul

1:34:40

surf It's

1:34:42

certainly not a blues cover band. Yeah.

1:34:44

I don't know. Who knows what goes on that level.

1:34:48

I guess they have a private beef.

1:34:51

Yeah, but a Mick didn't Mick was kind of a, didn't go there.

1:34:55

You know, he took the high, he took the high road.

1:34:58

I Take the high road. That's

1:35:01

right. I know. I think that's a sure.

1:35:03

If that means in Italian high road, doesn't The

1:35:06

high road Kelly's wearing a big black dog somewhere says Tony says Jackie Kennedy, another Kennedy reference she's crying when she gets close to Christopher.

1:35:20

I remember she was so good.

1:35:22

Kara bono. I remember that day.

1:35:25

I really Remember that day.

1:35:27

Like it was yesterday, both Jason talked to Aja that trynna prop him up.

1:35:34

Don't let this linger in your head.

1:35:36

They're trying to give him a little pep talk.

1:35:37

The two of them. So I don't like either one of them.

1:35:41

They're good actors, both these guys. And they make, because they're nice guys.

1:35:45

And they're a little punctures we see later on And

1:35:51

Other episodes, you know, but they're good. Actors.

1:35:53

Both of them are really good actors. Tony

1:35:55

looks over at Kelly at one point with a kind of a cold look.

1:35:59

It's, you know, he's gone. Something has gone dead in this guy.

1:36:02

He's like a shark. He's not, you know, all that evil has now turned to him.

1:36:07

You know, you can't, you can't do evil without, you know what I mean?

1:36:11

It's it's who you are. It's not, you can't just compartmentalize it.

1:36:15

I did this cause it is. I did this because of that at some point, that's it.

1:36:20

If you talk to I've read stuff, you know, the more you kill, the easier it gets, The

1:36:30

easier They flat out. Yes.

1:36:33

You separated and becomes without a thought.

1:36:35

He's bringing up the tree limb to little, a little calm on.

1:36:38

And the director, you know, they're kind of not, they don't really, he he's saying this more for himself, obviously.

1:36:44

Yeah, For sure.

1:36:46

He's trying to convince himself.

1:36:47

He did the right thing for the right reason.

1:36:49

Tony comes in. When he first comes into the funeral, he gives a boost is an old man sitting there collecting the envelope.

1:36:57

What do you think? He gave $500.

1:37:01

I think that's what he gave him. 500.

1:37:02

You know, they give the, a boost like they do at a wedding.

1:37:06

The wedding helps the new couple, get their life off the ground in theory.

1:37:12

And here you're dying and you give a boosted to help for the funeral costs in the future.

1:37:18

Christopher will no longer be making money.

1:37:21

Well, and Chris in a narration in many saints and newer Christopher says one.

1:37:26

When I died, Tony gave my wife and daughter his pocket change.

1:37:33

There you go. Could look at woman Tony shit.

1:37:35

You know, he's faking the grief. And then Tony sits out a middle, Carmela comes over.

1:37:40

We really should make an appearance at the other week, which is Nucci Holly's mother Is

1:37:49

pissed off, Pissed

1:37:51

off. He bought 500 wake cards.

1:37:54

No one showed up a very few.

1:37:57

It's a really dim small crowd.

1:38:02

So I feel lost.

1:38:03

Not much of a sense of here. She says, the room is beautiful.

1:38:07

Nobody's in it. What kind of Testament is just to the spirit of generosity of the woman?

1:38:12

I said, it's a lack of respect.

1:38:14

I'll never forget it. And he's talking really about Silvio and carload.

1:38:19

They're not there. And Tony just says, I gotta get out of here.

1:38:24

And it gives another, a boost gives you another one.

1:38:27

Then all these very grateful that Tony Carmella showed up that would have killed him if they didn't show up.

1:38:36

But he's really pissed off Dr.

1:38:38

Vogel's office. CJ's psychiatrist really said, but it's kind of same with blink.

1:38:43

I mean, I don't really just keep thinking about things the way I did over and over, you know, And

1:38:49

that might be the medication Working.

1:38:52

Are you sleeping? He says, why didn't class?

1:38:55

AIJ says, you know, a few college classes you've taken seems to be doing better in better spirits, hanging around with these Jason's and thinking, you know, a breakup you, you think, and your ruminate and it hurts your head.

1:39:15

You think over and over and over when it's a bad, you're physically tired from thinking so much.

1:39:21

So that that ever happened to you. Not just a breakup, but a lot of things.

1:39:25

Yeah, sure, absolutely.

1:39:28

Anxiety. It's anxiety and worry and all that stuff.

1:39:31

The medication, I guess, is helping him.

1:39:34

He's going back to college. He's making some friends he's coming out of his depression at the college.

1:39:40

They're talking about the different medications, Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Andrea and Jason, the kid, Victor, who they put the acid on the toast, turns out they had to amputate his toes.

1:39:54

These kids are two fucking asshole punks.

1:39:56

And if they're fathers, they're the murders of the future.

1:40:01

And if their fathers weren't who they were, there'd be nobody.

1:40:05

Punk Fucking

1:40:07

pumps. Soprano house. Tony looks at Carmella.

1:40:09

He's upstairs. He looks down in the living room, Camilla, Rita, Kelly, Joanne in the room downstairs, and Tony has had enough.

1:40:18

He does not want to go near you don't want to hear this shit.

1:40:22

He calls, He

1:40:24

sees her, but she's breastfeeding now you're against that.

1:40:29

Right? Breastfeeding. You say you're against it.

1:40:32

Oh, both of them. My wife breastfed both of my kids.

1:40:34

Well, I'm a guest.

1:40:38

If somebody wants me to breastfeed them, but what about in Public?

1:40:43

Oh, I don't care. You're not going to get me on that.

1:40:46

You made that up because I've never said that I

1:40:50

have it in my notes. What do you mean? I got it right here.

1:40:55

I could care breastfeeding on the train outside.

1:40:59

I could kill us muzzle tough.

1:41:02

And also it's very good for the kids growing up a lot less.

1:41:06

Our kids lost a lot less colds and illnesses growing up.

1:41:13

I think breastfeeding support.

1:41:15

If that's what I got, I guess my, my information, Whoever

1:41:19

gave that to you, that your Intel is overall.

1:41:23

I got to F I got to figure this out. Where does this come from?

1:41:25

So he calls Alan Kaplan.

1:41:27

Alan Kaplan played by mark Lamorah who passed away in 2017.

1:41:32

Unfortunately died, died way too soon.

1:41:36

He's a host at Caesar's palace.

1:41:39

He says, I can even get your plane.

1:41:41

Tell your, tell the audience what a host does.

1:41:44

Cause not everybody knows Casino.

1:41:46

Host is in marketing, you know, and what a casino host does your you're a player, a high roller, you know, depending on where you go, you know, I mean obviously a place like seasons or the Bellagio, when you know, to get really special treatment, you have to gamble more Because

1:42:06

these are some of the biggest gamblers in the world, play clubs, right.

1:42:10

International. And it's also, I mean, if you go to a smaller casino, you know, like the Tropic Canto or someone like that, you know, or an older casino, downtown casino, you'll get more bang for your buck.

1:42:23

You'll be one of their high rollers for a lot less money.

1:42:27

Right? So it doesn't go by whether you win or lose really it's how much you play.

1:42:32

So if I play $200 a hand, they Know

1:42:38

how much you play. Yeah. They they're reading you, you know?

1:42:41

So I paid 200 a hand, You

1:42:44

buy a 50 grand and chips.

1:42:46

They know that they 200

1:42:48

a hand for eight hours to 10 hours for five days.

1:42:51

That's a lot of theoretical.

1:42:53

And if you play long enough, you can lose.

1:42:55

Now, if I go in and I lose a half-a-million dollars playing blackjack at one sitting in an hour, that's another tech.

1:43:03

Now I called rich Wilke, our friend and Pacino extraordinary.

1:43:10

I've been a friend of ours for a long time. Rich was the host at the Hardrock when I was doing Stewie and I was staying there for the whole time in Richmond.

1:43:18

I spent a lot of time, a long time.

1:43:21

He's a beautiful guy. Nice family.

1:43:24

Alright. So I asked him, I texted him today.

1:43:28

I said, so tell me what for them to send the plane to New

1:43:32

Jersey. All

1:43:34

right. Just One guy for one guy considering rich says, considering it costs 45,000, each way from New Jersey to Vegas, 20

1:43:46

200,000 each way for that plane, For

1:43:48

that plane. Right?

1:43:50

So the player, the circuit, which we'll go see him, tell him, Steven Michael saying, it's circa.

1:43:58

It's the newest casino downtown.

1:44:00

It's a beautiful place. Considering it costs 45,000 each way from New Jersey to Las Vegas, the player would have to be at least 750,000 to a million dollar player.

1:44:16

And up with history of playing that much and being able to lose that much.

1:44:23

Some casinos may own their own jet and have a history of a player losing a half of me in a trip.

1:44:30

So they may send one for that level of a player as well.

1:44:34

So we've been on Caesar's plane member.

1:44:38

They took us from Chicago to Tahoe and the towel back to New

1:44:44

York. And because we would do a working, doing some work for them, but that's the kind of place.

1:44:50

So we know Tony has been a gambler.

1:44:53

So this was a while ago.

1:44:54

Maybe it's a little less, but that's what He

1:44:58

was playing a regular basis. When he goes to Caesars, do they give any, they know he's a wise guys.

1:45:06

There's some of that. Well, I got to tell you that probably works in Rick first these days, because you have to justify it's corporate.

1:45:13

I would say in the old days, yes, but now gave me control or fees is corporate, go wait a minute.

1:45:20

What was this fucking guy? He's not that big a player you sent the Plainfield and him being a wise guy may get them all in trouble.

1:45:32

I may not look so good Jersey, New

1:45:35

Jersey boss. So that works in reverse.

1:45:38

You know, I would say, Hey, I'd say in the sixties and the seventies, yes, maybe the eighties nowadays anymore, you got to justify why you sent the plane for $90,000, you know, unless it was filled with six guys, Tony flies on a private plane by himself, right.

1:46:03

David had called me, David Chase called me and asked me all these questions about a host.

1:46:09

You know, this happened, you know, how much would he have to play?

1:46:13

Would he have a suite, all these Vegas questions?

1:46:17

And I, I think I was helpful to him.

1:46:20

Yes, me, you know, stuff about what was she in coming up with the acid, which I don't know much about, but he did ask me about the gambling and the roulette, some stuff, basic Vegas questions where we spoke for about 45 minutes.

1:46:35

And I gave him some info, which I hope was useful.

1:46:37

Tony drives through that tunnel, which they built that in the eighties.

1:46:44

When I first moved there that wasn't there, that got you from one side of town to the other.

1:46:49

So, you know, you know, the, the, the airport has got bigger and bigger, a bigger, it used to be a tiny airport.

1:46:55

When I moved there in 1979.

1:46:56

Now the tunnel takes you right?

1:47:00

Very close to the strip.

1:47:02

You know, it takes you with no traffic.

1:47:05

It's, you know, 10 minutes. They

1:47:07

want to get the players set of tables as soon as possible, Make

1:47:10

it as convenient as you can.

1:47:12

That's the tunnel underneath.

1:47:14

See where he's playing roulette.

1:47:18

He loses twice. He gets up.

1:47:20

Now that's Laura Miller's McClatchy, who was a Dear

1:47:23

friend, dear friend. And

1:47:25

she works PR for HBO. Yeah. I think she would be out with the travel department, Talent

1:47:30

relations, Tyler relationship.

1:47:33

Great. Such A great person.

1:47:36

Good friend. Been an actor. I think she had moved away.

1:47:38

She's no longer with HBO. And what was the other?

1:47:40

There was a couple of other ones that were great in the town relations.

1:47:44

Rob was such a nice show.

1:47:49

Nice. I think it's so changing of the guard there, but a lower militia I'd left a while ago.

1:47:54

And I really like her a lot and she finally got a shot.

1:47:59

She had been an actress. She finally gave her a shot here, which I was happy to see Tony by himself from the restaurant.

1:48:05

It looks like he's enjoying the wine.

1:48:07

Is that W

1:48:09

what's at Caesar's. Is there a steakhouse specifically, you know, Steak

1:48:13

houses in the forum shops, He's

1:48:16

having board dough. It looks like a bottle of board donuts.

1:48:21

Do you mind? Not at all.

1:48:23

I, I, you know, I travel a lot for work and I, I eat out a lot and I have no problem eating alone.

1:48:27

I'd rather eat alone than with someone I don't want to be with.

1:48:32

I'd rather eat alone and somebody, I don't know.

1:48:37

Well, and it's kind of a Fort, you know what I mean?

1:48:39

It's like, I'm totally fine eating by myself.

1:48:42

What I do, you know, when I'm on location, I find one place I like, and I'll go there a lot.

1:48:49

That's what I'll, I'll do that on vacation too.

1:48:52

We just did that in Italy. Find a place.

1:48:54

You like go there a lot. Tip.

1:48:55

They get to know you. They know what you like, you, you, you know, that's my favorite thing to do.

1:49:00

You kind of establish yourself there. You got good service because there's so many places obviously and expensive places and you go, well, let's try somewhere different than you go and go.

1:49:10

Why the fuck did I just spend $300 on A

1:49:13

hundred percent? If you find someplace good, go back.

1:49:17

Well, we were just in Mesa. And of course from the hotel they had, you know, it was just a regular dumping sports ball.

1:49:26

But I went there Friday night.

1:49:28

I met a good friend. I went there Friday night and it had something to eat a good friend.

1:49:35

And then I went there the next afternoon for lunch.

1:49:37

And it was, well, There

1:49:39

wasn't many choices though. No,

1:49:41

but still perfectly fine.

1:49:43

The food was good. I Had

1:49:45

a grilled cheese, French fries I have To

1:49:47

go to. So I said, I had a hamburger the night before was not that bad.

1:49:53

It is what it is, but I find it easy.

1:49:56

I don't mind eating alone restaurants.

1:49:58

Like I said, Tony joins himself, a literature class, Aja sits in the class.

1:50:05

And the professor is given a lecture about the material world, which is kind of a running theme on the Sopranos.

1:50:12

It's also right after seeing where here you have this guy enjoying exactly that the material world, fancy hotel, private plane, gambling, Bordeaux wine, you know what I mean?

1:50:23

It's his father. Who's enjoying this at the expense of a lot of people suffering and death and misery.

1:50:31

You know, I personally, you know, like when you, you know, you could get a casino rate if you know someone, right?

1:50:37

So you call and say, what happened?

1:50:40

You know, somebody get a casino rate, a corporate rate.

1:50:43

So if the hotel room is $400, you might get it for 300.

1:50:48

I'd rather do that than be obligated to gamble.

1:50:54

You know, I'm not a big gambler anyway.

1:50:56

But if you take comp and the RFV, which is room food and beverage, you're taking that cop.

1:51:02

Now you got to play X amount.

1:51:04

So your vacation is shit.

1:51:06

I got to play four more hours.

1:51:08

I got to play a few more hours.

1:51:10

If not, I'm going to have to pay for this stuff.

1:51:12

I'd rather just give me a casino rate.

1:51:15

If I'm going to gamble and I'll pay my own way, I pay for my night and you don't have to gamble and you don't have to get, you know, that's what I prefer to do.

1:51:26

Caesar's palace pool. He sitting by the pool.

1:51:29

He's relaxing. No, We hung out there.

1:51:31

Remember at Caesars, palace was out at the pool at Caesar's when I was wearing all the black.

1:51:37

Was that Caesar's? No, that was at the Hilton.

1:51:41

Oh, the Hilton. Now it's the Cape, but you're wearing a black suit, black shoes, black shirt.

1:51:47

It was 110 fucking degrees.

1:51:50

You had sunglasses and you were reading the newspaper, the racing fall.

1:51:54

I knew it was like one o'clock in the afternoon.

1:51:57

He ended up in the dead summer, summer, Tony driver, Tony said the driver drives Tony to the hotel, to Sonia's apartment, right.

1:52:10

Sonia's apartment. And

1:52:13

it's near the Tropicana. I used to live right near there.

1:52:16

The Tropicana I lived around the corner.

1:52:18

They used to be the Tropicana country club around there, you know, CMG and with the MGM is, but it used to be a small hotel called the marina.

1:52:32

It was all telling casino called the marina.

1:52:35

Part of the MGM is still the marina.

1:52:37

They built, like kept that structure.

1:52:41

And they had about 20 houses.

1:52:44

Paul Anka used to have a house on the country club and it was a Tropicana country club and MGM bought it.

1:52:52

And that's where they built that I lived across the street from there.

1:52:55

I live right in that neighborhood.

1:52:58

What you see kind of how our apartment is supposed to be.

1:53:02

Sonya is played by Sarah Shanghai, done a lot of work, really good actress.

1:53:09

She was once a Dallas cowboy cheerleader. Did you know that she's also a descendant of a 19th century, Shaw of Persia?

1:53:17

Believe it or not. She's

1:53:19

done a show now six life it's called.

1:53:22

She was in old school.

1:53:24

She was in, which is a really good series.

1:53:27

If you haven't seen it sitting on a hill with Kevin bacon, she was on the first season of that.

1:53:32

Really? I thought she did a great job in this show.

1:53:35

Very believable. I really like, there's something very specific about that character that I just really bought it.

1:53:43

I thought she was very honest and really believable.

1:53:46

I don't know what she is. You think she's her hookup.

1:53:48

And I think she's a strip up student, half hooker.

1:53:52

I thought she did a great job. I think she's very believable.

1:53:54

There's a real specificity to this character who she is and the way she talks about Christopher, the way their relationship was, whatever it was.

1:54:03

I think she's just really honest and really believable.

1:54:06

I liked what you did. We

1:54:08

find out she's a dancer and actually putting herself through college.

1:54:13

She is, does it.

1:54:19

She offers Tony a drink when he comes in Santa margarita, Pinot Grigio, which at one point, did you drink it?

1:54:28

I know I drank it. You

1:54:30

drank it. Like you drank cases of that stuff.

1:54:35

Literally like it was war. It's a very light white wine.

1:54:39

I haven't drank it in a long time.

1:54:41

He used to love it. I used to love it.

1:54:44

And, and, and so Rico, that's what he's, you know, drinks.

1:54:48

It is day Tony, Santa margarita, Jim drank it.

1:54:53

It's a very light wine that you could drink a ton of it.

1:54:56

And so, you know, it's, you know, I'm sure for real wine, people may not like it, but it's very popular.

1:55:02

And she offers them that that's what she serves him.

1:55:06

He, she, he says, I got some news, serious news.

1:55:10

It's about Christopher. He's dead. It was a car accident.

1:55:13

She says, oh my God, that's fucking awful.

1:55:15

But she's not that devastated.

1:55:18

That's the price he doesn't see.

1:55:22

Yeah. I don't know how close they were or whatever, or, you know, maybe she's not that surprised because she knew he was, maybe she knew she had drug issues and things he asked, did he marry that girl who wound up leaving him?

1:55:34

He, you did have a daughter.

1:55:36

And she says, it's good that he left something.

1:55:38

She's great in the scene. There's a book on cats in her apartment, which, you know, later on there's that cat staring at Tony.

1:55:49

And so that might be something there.

1:55:51

She does a great job.

1:55:52

I used to have a cat when I was around 21, I was living down in Greenwich village.

1:56:00

We S my girlfriend, I had a cat.

1:56:02

I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. But now I'm allergic to animals.

1:56:06

I wasn't, then it happened like in my late twenties, I started getting all these allergies.

1:56:10

I don't know why I love animals.

1:56:13

I just can't be, you know, I love dogs.

1:56:15

I just Really love you.

1:56:18

I know he does. Every time he sees me, he stares into His

1:56:22

tail was slapping Away. Well,

1:56:25

I've been away now, Sarah Shanghai who plays song, like I said, she, she is it sitting on the hill, the first season, which is a great series that Alfred met though.

1:56:35

They grow is on there. And she's got a show on Netflix sex life, and she's done a whole chore.

1:56:42

She's really good. And Tony's just getting to know him.

1:56:47

He goes and pays a visit to have a drink.

1:56:49

Men that's about it.

1:56:52

She was friends with Christopher, I guess probably met him at the strip club.

1:56:57

Maybe Christopher was there on vacation.

1:56:59

Seems to be, that could be a connection as we can.

1:57:02

John called Tony, I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm here with the school, especially if it's packing up, I gotta dump this shit.

1:57:14

I say, though, I, you know, the fact that he's at Caesar's, he's in this robe, but this Roman theme, there is this thing of this emperor, this king, you know, he killed his relation.

1:57:24

His mother was Livia, who was, you know, one of the emperors, cloudiest his mother.

1:57:31

I think the emperor cloudy, his mother, which David named her Livia based on that show.

1:57:37

I Claudius. And the character that of Livia from that show, there is this image that I think they're playing with this Roman emperor, you know, drunk with power, murdering his own relatives, to stay in power, enjoying the fruits, you know, in the spoils of all this kind of corruption and power run a muck.

1:57:57

I just see, you know, and he's high above the city that he's kind of ruling over it.

1:58:02

It was just kind of imagery that really, I thought worked.

1:58:06

I'm sure there was some pointedness to it.

1:58:12

The last time I was in Vegas, probably your list time.

1:58:15

We were there for a charity thing in June of 2019, they remember Caesars

1:58:22

one of my favorite hotel number. We had suites that were like Gigantic.

1:58:26

I mean, I Had different ones, but they were like, they could have fit 150 people.

1:58:32

I stayed in. I didn't even use the living room, which was like bigger than my apartment.

1:58:38

We did a charity at rails, which rails is closing the rails and Caesars.

1:58:43

We had dinner. And then we went to see the David Perico band, which we loved At

1:58:49

Cleopatra's barge.

1:58:52

That was a fun show. I was a lot of fun.

1:58:54

They then have the bands for the Oakland Raiders, the house band.

1:59:00

They were really fun. That was a good show. David Perico.

1:59:02

But we had suites.

1:59:05

I mean, separately too.

1:59:06

Maybe we could have fit a lot of people in there.

1:59:09

They treated us very nice. Yeah.

1:59:10

And so we talked about to your specialist and you saying, you know, hold tight.

1:59:16

You know, Phil won't let the soprano crude dumped to your specialist for coming at a problem.

1:59:22

Aja Jason Parisi, Kevin House,

1:59:30

You know, say, let him pick it up. That breaking bottles, punks punk-ass and there's a cyclist.

1:59:38

And the key opens his door.

1:59:40

The cyclist runs into the door.

1:59:42

It's not, it's an accident.

1:59:46

That's a great stand. Whoever did that, that would look very realistic.

1:59:50

The door. You don't look at it at all. Jason, you wrecked my fucking door and they start beating up this poor guy for No

1:59:56

reason, No fucking reason.

1:59:58

It's just terrible. Terrible to look at the, a punk scumbags each to this is a hardworking guy putting himself through school and it was an accident and they give him a beat.

2:00:13

Terrible. Tony drives the Tropicana again, he's going Pretenders

2:00:19

again. We've used the pretenders on the soprano several times.

2:00:22

This is the adulterous of their second album.

2:00:24

Don't know if that's, you know, directly related to the Sonya character.

2:00:31

Cause she used to be with Christopher.

2:00:33

Now she's with Tony. I don't know they're having sex.

2:00:35

Another, pretend a song from the first album space invader, which we have used that song in another episode, actually his second time space invader by the pretenders as being used.

2:00:47

She says, you remind me of Chris who seemed sad, but I think you're actually sad.

2:00:57

Well, hopefully in the strip, you know, they kinda like, you know, some people say that guys go to them just to talk to them and tell them their problems.

2:01:09

There's a lot of that Goes

2:01:11

on. I'm

2:01:13

not a big strip club guy. No, No.

2:01:16

Normally, You

2:01:18

know, Chris left to party, remind me of him says, why would you bring him right after sex?

2:01:24

Well, I'm saying there's a certain type of guy that I don't run into on campus.

2:01:29

She's a college student.

2:01:31

You and LV is not far from the Tropicana Tropicana in Maryland.

2:01:37

That's where Nevada Las campuses, where my wife graduated from.

2:01:42

But where I dance the accent, the clothes, Chris sometimes talked about some shit, shit, like you said, but you seem sad.

2:01:51

So she kind of likes that maybe back east guy that comes to town.

2:01:56

They're not like frat kids, you know, they smoke a joint.

2:02:02

He brings up the pot.

2:02:05

You know, I be thinking, why the fuck am I here?

2:02:09

You can get to that place.

2:02:11

Now I'm not a tour guy.

2:02:13

So I don't know nothing about mushrooms or pot or So

2:02:18

pay only comes from the cactus.

2:02:19

I guess a flower may be on the cactus and they're hallucinogen.

2:02:24

It's a hallucinogenic drug that was used in ritual by a lot of the native tribes in Mexico and S in the Southern part of the United States, like Arizona, the, you know, native tribes in, in that region.

2:02:43

And they'd use it for, you know, in rituals, a shamonic rituals for, I guess, clairvoyance or seeing the future, or just kind of seeing mine, expanding on the mind and seeking wisdom.

2:02:58

I guess he says he always wanted to try, but the responsibilities never allowed him.

2:03:03

She hasn't done buttons in a while.

2:03:05

I remember when I was a bouncer, I found, you know, at the end of the night you would go, you know, when the lights got up, you know, you would go and look around, see if people left shit.

2:03:16

And I follow the big three big mushrooms.

2:03:21

Yeah. That, stuff's not my thing. I like to be in control.

2:03:24

Even when I drink.

2:03:27

Well, that's a problem. You need to let loose.

2:03:28

You need to give up control. I think

2:03:30

go

2:03:30

to

2:03:30

what,

2:03:30

what

2:03:30

do

2:03:30

you

2:03:30

call

2:03:30

it

2:03:30

out

2:03:30

in,

2:03:37

In the sweat lodge, out in The

2:03:39

desert? What, what do you call her out there? The

2:03:41

desert Verna social club on Mulberry street.

2:03:45

That's Mara CRO bar. I walked by there yesterday.

2:03:48

There's a big picture in the window of that last supper Sopranos thing.

2:03:52

Oh yeah. Yeah.

2:03:54

Big, really big right in the window of that place.

2:03:58

Right on Mulberry street. Yeah.

2:04:01

Butch Alby.

2:04:05

And Phil, Tony says, you got to let go of the old shit.

2:04:08

You got everything you want. And Phil says not everything.

2:04:13

Meaning. I

2:04:16

think he means, I

2:04:21

think he wants Tony. He wants Jersey.

2:04:29

So what do you mean? So I think so, because he still has a beef.

2:04:33

The big beef is the Tony blonde Darrow and a bit His

2:04:37

brother. But I think he wants Tony. And I think he's got a lot of power.

2:04:40

It's gone to his head.

2:04:42

He runs New York and he thinks he can just take over to his family.

2:04:46

Tony, Tony is like a little nub compared to the Jersey family here is He

2:04:52

he's thinking he could fold it into the, you know, the New York family and that he, that he runs without it.

2:04:57

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

2:05:00

And the things Tony does as a boss, to be honest with you, stealing the wine and small piddly things that I don't think in New York boss would do Whatever.

2:05:08

Do You know a lot of stuff like that?

2:05:11

You know, you know, well, you want it to get them to do it.

2:05:14

Especially Tony hangs up on this is me hanging up.

2:05:19

Phil's a smart ass.

2:05:21

You know, he doesn't like Chris either.

2:05:24

Wasn't able Johnny sack that doesn't like Chris, neither One.

2:05:27

I don't think Dr. Vogel's office.

2:05:30

AIJ, you know, people walk around like this all or dishes, all something fucking laughing and nobody takes even one second and think about what's really going on, said you shot the press again.

2:05:40

How could you not be? You have to be fucking nuts.

2:05:44

Not to be. I mean, you have to have your head, which so far up your ass that all you can see is your face.

2:05:50

Everything is so fucked up. Why can't we all just get along Very

2:05:54

good in the scene, Rodney

2:05:57

king and he's upset.

2:06:00

He saw these Jason's beat up this poor black kid for no reason whatsoever.

2:06:08

Good job by Robert Showing

2:06:11

you his apartment. Tony takes struck with Sonia.

2:06:13

Tony makes out with her on the couch and he throws up in the bathroom.

2:06:18

He stares at this white light.

2:06:22

You know, I thought when he throws up, which apparently happens, I've never taken pod, but that's what I've read that you do.

2:06:29

You do throw up when you take it. And then after the puking is when you start to really trip, it's an interesting speed.

2:06:35

They speed the film up as the Dolly pushes in on him.

2:06:39

But he sees the light, which is buzzing with this home.

2:06:42

And it was reminiscent of when he was CA Kevin Finity in the coma.

2:06:47

I was thinking of that when he was looking at the white light and then it cuts to the interior of the hotel on a, somebody rolling this roller bag, which was again, very reminiscent of Kevin Finity.

2:06:58

I think they're making some connection there.

2:07:04

Yeah. You said the white light. She's his palace.

2:07:07

They walked through the casino.

2:07:08

They fucked up.

2:07:11

I walked up in a couple of little shots versus a Pompei slot machine.

2:07:14

Again, we're talking about this Roman emperor thing and then a cartoon like drawing of the devil, which I think what I was saying before about Tony, there's something definitely satanic that has kind of overtaken him.

2:07:28

And I think that was what that reference was.

2:07:30

Now you go to roulette table.

2:07:34

It's a, you know, same as the solar System

2:07:36

now, what is he talking about?

2:07:38

I don't know, shame system, if the solar system Do

2:07:42

you think it's possible, do you think it's possible to tune into some psychic way of the kind of random wheel random spinning of the roulette wheel?

2:07:57

That's complete luck. I think this is the one thing is complete luck.

2:08:03

Black Jack takes some skill, a cracker off a show up craps for show money management.

2:08:12

You know what I mean?

2:08:14

I think baccarat, you can somewhat control money management, that kind of stuff.

2:08:18

I do not think a slot machine.

2:08:22

There's no skill unless you're playing, you know, a poker then of course that's Different.

2:08:32

And I think a roulette is just random.

2:08:34

So like spitting the big wheel, you know, you know, you know that, that big one, Tony press it all showing you tells him to press it.

2:08:44

You know, this, there used to be things. I don't know if they exist anymore.

2:08:47

Girls that would chip hustlers.

2:08:49

That's where I live.

2:08:52

My neighbor was a chip hustler. So

2:08:54

they, you, you they'd kind of be at the table and they'd go, go sidle up to a high roller Kind

2:09:00

of that kind of thing. They would play a little, maybe small stakes or go to the bar, have a drink at the bar Next

2:09:07

to a high roller. Who's winning a lot. They get giddy.

2:09:10

if you win a lot of money that you get giddy and generous and you start tipping or maybe good looking girl, you'll throw her a few chips here, bet with me.

2:09:19

And this is what they did. This girl was a chip hustle.

2:09:22

This is what she did for a living and for living for a living at a bar, hang out, she was good.

2:09:30

Looking, not in this score per se, but then go meet the guy, come on the cheats of crafts.

2:09:37

She kind of courses him into that starts winning.

2:09:40

He gives it a, a BA.

2:09:42

Then she scrapped turns it shit.

2:09:45

I got to go to the bathroom. She's gone. She's

2:09:49

She's not there to sleep with him. She's there to make a few bucks.

2:09:53

You know, I assume they still do it.

2:09:57

And some guys are happy to do it.

2:09:59

They actually companionship.

2:10:00

I'm shooting dice.

2:10:01

She's bringing me luck. Blah-blah-blah that's not necessarily gonna go up to his Alltel.

2:10:11

He there's something in him. Tony, that is, is dead like a shark.

2:10:15

Like I said that before, you know, and it's that evil, that's just kind of, he cannot escape at this point.

2:10:23

He's just indulged in too much.

2:10:25

He laughs wins three in a row, wins all this money, falls down on the floor.

2:10:32

And then it cuts to a very specific pointed cut here, making a point.

2:10:39

He falls down, he wins his money and then here's dumping his best dose into the water.

2:10:46

Basically the evil of Tony soprano.

2:10:48

Now you're poisoning the water poisoning people.

2:10:51

He's already a killer.

2:10:53

And What

2:10:56

are you, what are you taking that he it's 20 for a while?

2:10:59

Two or three times. What do you make of the number 24?

2:11:02

Any significance there?

2:11:07

No, not that I know of you. No,

2:11:10

I'm asking you, I

2:11:14

dunno, two plus four is 6, 6, 6, 6, maybe.

2:11:18

I dunno. But the second number wasn't 24.

2:11:21

He hits 24.

2:11:22

He doesn't hit 24, 3 times.

2:11:25

He hits 24 and then it's 20.

2:11:27

And then 2013.

2:11:31

That's your Number? Yeah, always.

2:11:33

It's black. Do you play the water?

2:11:38

No, I don't play roulette very rarely.

2:11:40

I don't really like it. I only like blackjack.

2:11:43

It's kind of fun level. You don't want to think.

2:11:47

I like to think. Well, you like to think with the people fucking heckle you, they don't like playing with you.

2:11:53

I don't care. I know. I

2:11:56

really don't care. It's my money.

2:11:59

I can do whatever the hell I want. Exactly.

2:12:06

If you don't like to gamble when we go to another Table

2:12:09

table. Exactly.

2:12:11

Without a doubt.

2:12:14

We're in the desert. Tony and Sonia, watch the sunrise.

2:12:22

Tony. I get it screaming.

2:12:23

I get it. He sees the white light, the sun coming up again, the white light.

2:12:30

What does he get? What do you think he gets? I

2:12:36

don't, I don't know. I don't know.

2:12:40

What could he get?

2:12:44

I don't know yet. He's crying.

2:12:46

He's sad.

2:12:48

He's guilty. Is he full of joy?

2:12:50

Is you feel a guilt? Is he full of sadness?

2:12:52

It's a very strange, What

2:12:55

can he get? What are the meaning of life from that?

2:12:59

Wow, that's a good question.

2:13:02

Write that down for David. What does he get?

2:13:06

Andy, write that down. A couple of David questions.

2:13:07

So suffocation reference from the, from the intervention and the actual suffocation of Christopher in this episode of what did he get?

2:13:15

I want to ask David does a really good question.

2:13:17

See, what did he, when he says he got it, what did he get?

2:13:22

I also, you know, so he goes out there.

2:13:26

He makes the strip. He's got to feel that shit with payout or this got to think a few days to wear off.

2:13:33

Oh yeah. The crash from that's probably horrendous.

2:13:36

Yeah. So your final episode Ends

2:13:41

with a song by Calexico. Really good song minister.

2:13:43

Coldwell did great. Good.

2:13:46

I enjoy this stuff. It's not the first time they've been used on the show, you know?

2:13:54

But like you said, I wasn't, it was your last episode so that you weren't around you didn't come around the, your last day on set.

2:14:02

Did you come to the last refill?

2:14:05

I don't Remember. Do you remember?

2:14:08

You notice? I don't remember a lot of Shit.

2:14:10

Yeah. I do not do not. I have a bad memory.

2:14:12

What's the story with that? I

2:14:16

have good short-term memory.

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Not long-term. So

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you think off a bit someday be a candidate for Alzheimer's?

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No, I don't think so. You

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remember your lines when you study line?

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Yeah, I have good, really good short-term memory.

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I just don't Stories

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on the I'll live conversation with the soprano show.

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I remember my, all my lyrics when I perform with my band, you know?

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So I don't know. I just, you know, the kind of details that don't seem important as long time before.

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Yeah. I don't think I went back to the shit when I was done.

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I was done. I didn't go to the last week Visiting

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if I'm not working I'm

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with you. Great episode.

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I'm sorry. I mean, let me know if you're going to continue to podcast.

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If not, I gotta, I Gotta think about it.

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Okay. So doing the search And

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I've got Andy and he believed me and you'll jump right in And

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he's Raring to go. He

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was such a nice innocent guy. Turn

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evil fame. Fame is a great corrupter.

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Once he got on front of the camera, it was all over.

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That was it. Do

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you think we should have him on The

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Virta rats? His groupies he's got fan clubs.

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Andy, the diverter rats.

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They're called Folks.

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If you want to see Andy on the podcast, please, A

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guest As a guest, let us know, let us know.

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Let us know if you want to see anything on the podcast.

2:15:53

Let's talk out some stuff before we leave with a bit of tastes that Michael.

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Okay. All right. I think that's inevitable.

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I think that's a done deal, but we'll see what happens.

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All right. Now it's time for the talking Sopranos asked me anything.

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Segment the winner of our AMA best question of the week is Laura from Chino, California.

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We're going to send Laura a pair of Bose headphones.

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Chino. Is that a Prison?

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Laura asks, what does production doing?

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An active is ill. The common, cold or flu.

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Are you expected a pressure to come to work?

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If you are not feeling well, is there such a thing as a sick day as an active, Well,

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I mean, let's talk pre COVID because everything changed with COVID Very

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good question. Good Question.

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I have never missed a day of work.

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Wow. Ever. That's great.

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And unless you're in the hospital, pretty much, you gotta show up.

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You have a cold, I've gone to work with a cold.

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I've gone to work sick. You take medicine, they'll have they'll call a doctor.

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They'll get they'll do anything they can to get you in front of that camera.

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Yeah. I've had doctors come to set.

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I've had shots, B12 or whatever, unless you you're in the hospital.

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You pretty much got to show up.

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Michael. That was a while back now days.

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I think they're much more compassionate towards this.

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Of course, with COVID it's a different story.

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We're not talking about COVID because of course, if you're not feeling one, everyone's afraid that that's what you got.

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But you know, I missed work last season on blue bloods for the first time before college, before COVID I know this year dog COVID I missed two days of work and I missed a day this year and they tested me over and over and over.

2:18:03

And I didn't have COVID. They said Dr.

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A cat cats.

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He came to the house, Dr.

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Katz. And they're much more careful now.

2:18:13

I mean, I don't want to miss a day at work and I've gone with colds and sore throats.

2:18:17

You also don't want to get everyone on the set sick.

2:18:21

No, no.

2:18:23

So they're a little more compassionate even in the workplace these days where it was, you know, as an actor, a list, you can't make it, you want make it, you know what I mean?

2:18:35

And you know, sometimes it's more critical that you show up.

2:18:40

Like if, you know, sometimes they'll secure say they're going to shoot it to have it on the green in central park, which is a very hard location to get very expensive location.

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They've worked out that day.

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They only Yankee stadium.

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You're going to shoot in Yankee stadium, Madison square garden.

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That's a big deal, really expensive, lots of hard logistical things to work out.

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It's the only opportunity you go.

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It's going to be really hard to switch that or go back and reshoot it.

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They're going to really try to get you.

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If it's a day at the studio where they, they own the location, they're always there.

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They can juggle shit.

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Of course, I'm sure they'll do their best to be trying to get so, and so we'll take it on in two days, hopefully you feel a bit it, on the end of the day, we don't have that busy a day.

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But like you said, they'll try everything.

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If it's a usual location like that.

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And as an actor, if you give a shit, you will do everything you can to make it.

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You know what I mean? Whatever it takes, you know what I mean?

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Unless it's just, I mean, you're, you can't get out of bed unless you get that sick, you know, flu and fever and you just cannot.

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If it's, you know, a little thing, but there are no sick days as an actor.

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And you're on call. Basically.

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If you're on a series, you're on call, basically you're being paid per episode and you are on call for the eight days or seven days, whatever it is, of course they could call you at any time, anywhere because so-and-so missed a flight or doesn't feel well, we need your entire morning.

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Correct? Absolutely.

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So You're

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basically working, you know, you're working for no, they're paying you for those eight, nine days, your better be ready to work.

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You better be ready to work. And there's no sick days.

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It's not like you have 10 that you can use whenever you want.

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It doesn't work that way. And you're pretty much, unless you're really sick.

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You got to show up. So

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good question, Laura, enjoy your Bose headphones in Chino, California, Michael.

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This is what we got, man.

2:20:51

We got three episodes to go The

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last three second coming, blue comment and maiden America.

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That's all. That's all she Wrote.

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And then we have super fan.

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We do have a superhero Three

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episodes to break down.

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Boy. I dunno.

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I'm going to have mixed emotions.

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Ah, yeah. Yeah.

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Well, we're not there yet.

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Let's see. We said we'd guess.

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And remember we said, we got, We

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I'm glad to hear. We got a great guest today. Really great guests, almost Done with this podcast. What could be, what could be wrong? There's light at the end of the tunnel as this Shirley Is A long tunnel. Wow. I mean, really we don't. Our guests really needs no introduction. If you watch this podcast, you know exactly who this person is and have spent lots of time in her office. As we have a board in bay Ridge, Brooklyn grew up on long island, moved to France after high school worth. As a fashion model has appeared in over 60 films and TV series, including someone, someone, someone to watch over me, basketball, diaries, medicine, man, radio flyer. I married a mobster Rizzoli and Isles blue bloods. Her big break was playing Karen in Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas. She's been nominated for an Oscar before Emmy's and four for four golden Globes, 71 episodes as Dr. Melfi on the Sopranos. Please welcome Lorraine. Cracow Hey, Larry. Welcome back. Lorraine Bronco. Hello, Lorraine. Thanks for doing this. Good to see you as always Good to see, you know, we're Down to just a handful of episodes of the feel? Right? We had to, we finished season six, we had the big contract negotiation, and then we all went back to work and this was it. It was going to be nine more and hour. So what were you feeling? What was your feeling at that time? Well, I was always sad, you know, that it was the end. I mean, it was just such a great run. It was such a great cast and writing. I mean, it really, 20 years later, I can honestly say that it has withheld it's its beauty, right? It's I mean, it's, it's high regarded. And so, I mean, I was sad that, you know, we did do more. It was always, you know, in fact I loved it because I got to work in New York and live in New York. That was a big thing for me. I was really happy about that. But as I think back, I remember being upset, the direction that David was bringing me healthy. I just felt that, you know, he, he wanted, he wanted me to get rid of him. I felt that he did it in a very abrupt way. I don't think that, you know, she should have done it that way. Kupferberg was this when he turns around and did the whole jeopardy, is that when he did that to me in that, in those last episodes, I, I felt really bad that he outed me at the dinner. I felt that was really wrong, but that's the, that's the therapist in me. He actors therapist in me and yeah. Now I would have liked it to have been more meaningful. I mean, I think she, she cared for Tony did not, you know, even though he wasn't fucked up and that maybe it was never good, really straighten out, but I think she cared for him. You know, you don't spend seven years with someone and, you know, and discard them. I felt bad about that. Yeah. I think it was, they were trying to, he was really trying to paint Tony as having really gone, morally corrupt, like the cumulative effect of all his wrongdoings finally kinda came to fruition in this last season. Okay. But wouldn't, it have been great to have had him say that to her. Fuck you. I'm doing what I'm doing. Maybe I don't, I don't care what you say to me. I don't care morally way. You want to try to guide me or whatever. I mean, I think that would have been powerful. Do you take Melfi? I know early on, but do you dig was sexually attracted to him even at the end? No, I didn't. I never brought into that room. Any sexuality I had to void myself of, you know, any of those feelings, any big movement, you know, they were very, very, David was very strict about, you know, how she comported herself, which was very hard for me because as you see Very still, But compared to him, remember he's the catalyst he's telling the story. He's the one. So, and all of a sudden it started to be more like me, me that it would never have worked, then we would have been fucking on the table. I'm sorry. Did I just say that? You can say that You said it the last episode, actually, I don't know about what, you know, that's, that's really interesting. Cause you know, there was always with the audience, will they want that? You know, there's that kind of, you know, the sexual attention, does he, you know, flat out propositions you a couple of times know and wants to make it a conquest thinks he has feelings, but you know, But for him it was a conquest. It was never, you know, and I'm, by the way, very, very, very Austin that is sure. It is. It's a given fact that there are, you know, sexual and love feelings towards your therapist. It suits normal. I also think that Tony always wanted what he couldn't have Had with Juliana. He wanted what other people have always, you know, one of those guys, always looking in the other guy's pocket, you know? Yeah. When I went to therapy, I picked a therapist that looked like Steve, this way, I know that would never be an issue That I know. I would never, Never, never, never want to get down. I was his therapist. I wasn't, But you know, it's so funny because I remember talking to David in the beginning and I said, Tony is not going to talk to anybody that doesn't feel like neighborhood. Yeah. He was a woman helped. You were a woman helped. Yes. There was no doubt about that because you immediately felt the male in him and, and not threatened. He wasn't threatened by her threatened by her intelligence, but not by her. Yeah. Well, I loved about Melfi that she, she fucking antagonize it. She broke his bulls. A lot of times Melfi, Javed, that soft spot there, you know, you hit his WIC. A lot of times you didn't just sit back and Alicia, Alicia, Alicia, The, so your last, your last episode, so it was blue comet, episode 12, you weren't in the finale. Like I wasn't, we all watched it together, Florida. Now I know you went to the list, read through which I didn't. I should have went and I dunno, what did you go, Michael? I don't remember. I didn't go to the last week where I remember you going and asking me if I was going Lorraine. And for some reason, I don't know. I guess no one invited me, so I didn't go. But when it went to black finally, were you surprised that well, you knew, you know, I knew what was going to happen. I was still surprised. What was your feeling? Well, I had seen the show before we were all in Florida, so I knew, yes. Oh My God. What did you so no, I had not seen it since, until they let Eric know. Ah, that is something I had no idea. I, you saw it before that. Wow. Well I'm special Chris Albrecht to put it on the air. She called him up and said, what are you doing? This is a brake job. That's true. I did do that. So probably not many people were privy to that. You David Martin, Brucely not. So anyway, I mean, part of me says, well, it was David Chase's genius that we're still talking about this and confused about it 25 years later. And the other part says to me, you know, David saying, fuck you, I'm out of here. I mean, I don't know. I, you know, I don't have, you know, there's a million ways to go, dude, the guy killed him with the membership or what was it? The members only jacket, who knows. But you know, the genius says is that we're still talking about it. So for that Bravo David, So you have no, you have no opinion either way, if he's alive or dead. No. What you see is what you get. That's your thing. That's it? What, When I think he's alive, Michael, I go back and forth all the time. You know, at first I thought he was dead. Then I kind of revise that and think he's alive, he's alive. Then I thought it doesn't matter. What you see is what you get. Now I'm leaning towards these dead now, rewatching it really closely. Cause we're doing the lap. We're breaking down the last season. There's so many references to like things hanging over his head, waiting for the other shoe to drop. There's a piano hanging over my head, you know, Carmelo. We saying what's going to happen. What's gonna, you know, there's just a lot of the whole, the whole coma shit. And him seeing, you know, the afterlife. I mean, it just seems like we're heading towards that. But I think the reality is probably more what you, what you say, what you see is what you get. There is no answer. And David's never said, I don't know. I don't even know what David says anymore. Cause it's, I mean, you know, it, it was left up to all of our interpretation, the semis of the Sopranos, right? 'cause one interview. David said that it was a death scene and then he kind of backpack backpedaled a little bit. We had him on, I don't remember what did he say exactly when Shuffle, they gave us a shuffle. He says, every time I missed out, I put my foot in my mouth. I mean, he's coming off for the finale. We'll ask him again. But this is my thing. If they killed Tony, they killed maybe not the whole family, but they killed the members of the family. They didn't just kill Tony. He was sitting next to his, you know, his wife and daughter and Sean, somebody else died. Well, that's a horrific thought, but okay. And you wouldn't want it to see that on camera. That would have been awful. But you know, again, I, I think that the way David knew that that was the music he was going to use. I think David is very, you know, Messiah in his thinking. He's very specific Ultra ultra specific. No, one's more specific than David. Yeah. He won't give us an answer. He was shuffling a little bit, Maybe on his deathbed. He probably shouldn't, you know, Alex Taylor came forward and says, he thinks she died. That's right. It's like everyone has an asshole and they have an opinion. David directed the last episode. So, so even eat. So even the directors can't really chime in. Cause they didn't. Where do you think, What are you, where do you think Melfi is? You know, where was she? Five years after the show Elliot. Elliot, Can I tell you, I don't know if I've said this to you on the first time we took this, you know that I begged David to play. My husband really begged David David, you're going to have a sick, I don't know if David would have been up for interesting, but I begged him. I said, you're the husband play? My husband, my husband play him, play him. It's a small role. And he said, no, he was too busy writing, editing, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he wouldn't do it. That would have been really interesting. Thank You very much. Not just the pretty face. I would have been really interesting. I thought it would have been great. It was her, it was her Svengali. He made a mistake and I have such deep love for him that I think it would have been really interesting. No, we've never really seen him act though. It's okay. I said it wasn't like he was gonna, you know, do fucking Shakespeare. Oh. But maybe he just doesn't want it. Maybe, you know, he Could have done it. I would think he could because he's super talented, but maybe he didn't feel, He said he was too busy writing. He was editing. I must have called him four times, But you know what I think when you're, you know, like Terry, you know, had a small role and even I lean Matlin Wine and they all did a good job. And I, David as a writer is imagination director. I'm certainly, I'm sure he could have done it. I was convinced with it. I'm still convinced That would have been really interesting. Lorraine, what would you have done different? Anything, would you have done different as Mophie if you had to do it over again Or as Lorraine, just your experience or your approach or your, I don't know. Again, I don't like the way he ended. It was abrupt. You know, I would have liked if he had come in with Carmela more often, that would have been fun. I would have liked to do brought the kids in with him. I always wished he would bring Christopher and to help them with a drug drug pro I think that would have been one of the funniest scenes. I mean, I would have liked that most often in therapy, you do bring in your loved ones or people who are important to you. And I think that could have been very interesting. Sure. Or turn people on to his therapist. I've done that in the past. Recommended someone To, he could have brought us Good. Why? The way she knew I did not know what's her face. Yes. Yes. And Abella she knew Annabella Very well. You know, that to me would have been interesting. That would have been unusual, different that what you expect, but Hey, Lorraine, at the beginning of the show, you were the only known actor for the most fought surely by the audience. You know what I mean? You have to be nominated for an Oscar, you know, name. How was that? What was that like? You were kind of the, Well, I can only thank Sharon Jaffe, Georgeann walking, who forced me to read the script because I had a rule, no more mob stories. I didn't care and didn't want to do it. I was, I did it already. You know, I was handed 400 mumps stories after good sellers. And I, now I'm not doing it. I don't want to do it. I'm not reading that. Reading, not reading. And Sheila Jaffe who was testing, literally called me up and said, listen, this guy wants to meet you. Please just come in, let him meet you. He just wants to meet you. And I was like, Sheila, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that please. Lorraine, please. And finally I just, she wore me down. I read it. And that's when my whole, my whole inside changed because I had read anything like that. It was so different and unusual. And of course I said to everyone, I, you wants to meet me for Carmella. And I said, I don't want to play Carmella. I want to play mousey. And they were like, don't tell him that. Don't tell him anything. Just come Swanee. Right. Great instinct though. Really great instinct. The good thing yet. You're held your ground. That's for sure. Well, I'm lucky that Sheila really, you know, forced me to read it and come in Now, one more time. If you were being tortured bamboo under your fingernails and you had to give an answer, is Tony soprano alive or dead in the rain? Nobody knows. David knows. David Chase knows. Did you ever feel like he was threatened that though? That was a threat. Yeah, I did definitely. I mean, all the teacher was building up with a metal poking. Oh, you mean from the New York family, there was a lot of tension He's alive and well he's reading. I'm sorry to my feet is not going to kill you in front of your wife and kids. I want to believe that this code. No, no. I'm not saying that they wouldn't do it, but they would also have no choice, but to kill that. So that means they wipe out the family. And I don't know. I don't want to think that thought either. I guess I know. I only know what Michael tells me. I'm a ventriloquist. I'm the dummy. That's it? That's how it works. That's how They would have shot him with the family. We've not that there's a code. No, I don't know. They killed, they killed Phil's brother and cold blood. I dunno. Feel wouldn't give a shit. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. I agree. And they killed Joe Gallo. Was it? He would his wife and family. I take Virto so I don't think that's the point Outside. Thank you very Much. Go. 14 years later it was started. Thank you very much. Thank you, Lorraine. Thanks for coming on. I love you, bro. Yeah. Thank you. Love you. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Good luck. Finding the answer to the end of this. Thank you. There you go. Can't get an answer out of the Marine Bronco Or thinks she has An answer. Always good to see ya. She doesn't have, well, listen. I know no one has the answer, but they have their opinions. Like you have yours. Yeah. That's true. I dig out on Tayla. He doesn't know any more than anyone else, but yet he's in the press, Shane it. So, you know, that's his opinion. Yeah. That's his opinion. That's true. All right. Let's take a break and get it today. Yes, sir. This podcast is sponsored by better help online therapy. We talk about better help an awful lot on this show. And for very good reason, this month, we're going to discuss some of the stigmas around mental health. For example, some people think you should wait until things are unbearable to go to therapy. That is a misconception. That is not true. Therapy is a tool to utilize before things get worse and it can help you avoid those lows. 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So now do you want me to continue with someone else or just go solo? That's up to you. Steve, Who are you? Who would you want as your replacement? Andy drunken. Andy, you're going to leave me with these a fucking booze Hound. I dunno. Maybe Willy, Willy boy. Yeah. You guys look good together. Whether He's my man. He's My adopted son sleeps with me every day. I don't know. I don't know how I can go on. I mean, my character's out. We were following kind of thing. I think you can do it Dick. You're great in this episode, honestly. I think you were great. It's a great episode. All of these nine. Yeah, it is a really good episode written by Matt Weiner, 11 out of the 12 that he did with David Chase, Matt Weiner and David Chase wrote this together. They were nominated for an Emmy for outstanding writing of a dramatic series directed by Alan Taylor, eight of his nine. He won the Emmy for this episode for the best director. Were you nominated? Were you nominated for this episode? You know, I don't remember. I don't remember. I think so. Yeah. I lost to a Weight loss. No, I lost it. The guy from lost, I forgot his name. Sorry. No offense. You're not sorry. And fuck him. Where was it? It's over. He won. You did. I don't remember. I never saw, I never saw the show. The original title, the working title is episode was Sonia, which is the name of the character played by Sarah wisdom. Is it your hi? Oh, sorry. I don't know. That's a good question. Hi, Shanghai, Shanghai. I think it's Shanghai. I think you're right. Who's very good. In this episode, I really liked what she did, but Sonia means wisdom and it is kind of a, there's a certain Carlos Casteneda aspect of this. I don't know if you've ever read any of his books, but they're about this anthropology student at UCLA, his encounters with a yacky Indian shaman from Northern Mexico. And they, he takes payoti and he goes on this kind of wisdom quest. I think that's where the, you know, the working title came from obviously Kennedy and Heidi is the name of the episode. They're the teenage girls that are driving that caused Christopher to crash his car. There's been many references to the Kennedy's on, you know, in Camelot of course, being the most, one of the most obvious and prominent Kelly Moltisanti at the funeral. Tony says, look at her. She looks like Jackie Kennedy. Well, let me ask you a question. If I would, I don't want to get into politics. Do you think the Kennedy's were good people or not good people? There's been so many things written about them. I mean, listen, I mean a good people. I mean, who's a good person. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think they're complicated people. I think, I think politically there were a lot of good things. They did, you know what I mean? Whether they were good people or not. I don't know if that matters as much because they were public servants. What they got done. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, Ted Kennedy, you know, you know his story. Well, 10, I don't know. I'm talking more. Yeah. Robert Kennedy, who was a good guy, they fought for civil rights, John JFK, I, you know, as well or A lot of corruption with the father, you know, Joseph Kennedy, a lot of corruption, a lot of I'm talking more about Robert and John. I think they were, I think they had a lot of good intentions and got some good stuff done. David called me and I'll get into it. As we get to Vegas portion, David called me about this episode S a lot of Vegas questions and I'll get into that later on. You know what, that's good. I want to, I want to hear what he had to say. What do you have to ask and what you told him, Tony soprano, besides this accident, which is very, you know, critical to this show. This episode was in three other accidents in Isabella. Hey, Marie crashes, the car when the hit Hitman are trying to kill him in guy walks into a psychiatrist office, he passes out from the panic attack and has an accident. And in irregular amount around the margins, when he's driving on the road with Adriana, they have a crash. This is the fourth crash for Tony soprano. I, you know, what, what I really admired about this episode is that obviously the big moment Tony kills Christopher idea, you know, the main character kills another main character. It's kind of a shocking thing that happens, but it happens right at the beginning of the episode, pretty much, which is pretty wild. I thought, Yeah, it doesn't happen at the end. Absolutely. Did that show goes on. I noticed that very, very much, very early on, in Very early on, which is it makes it, you know, you think that kind of moment comes at the end or something like that, but it was great. It was a really great way to tell that story, A hundred percent, a hundred percent, The garbage dump, the garbage truck dumps the specialists, the managers, if you can dump in all, you need to talk to your boss. This is a huge job. Where am I supposed to dump this? And it's a great scene. There's a kid here, Alexander, the Flores played by when they say, there's no small roles, here's a kid. And he says, what are you doing? Breathing and eating. And the kids says, you know, told me to take my break. So the kids eating this, especially flying all over the place and the kid, you know, says something in Spanish, you know, what's the specialist, what's that? He says, what is it? He doesn't know what it is. Do you know His face? There's no small roads, beautiful moment here, Very specific and really nail, you know, in any other show that would just be a nothing moment. You know what I mean? And, and nothing, character who that acted. Those two actors really bring a lot to the, to that. You know, what's weird. I never knew this. Especially dose is a natural mineral. Did you know that? Well, they had a specialist mine out in, See, I didn't know it was a Mar I thought it was some chemical shit. It's not mined mineral that goes back. They found it in the pottery from the stone age. That was strengthened with asbestos. Really? Yeah. You know, when I cleaned chimneys, I've talked about that. When I was in college, I was a chimney sweep. And when we used to have to pull like the, from the boiler to the chimney, that thing we used to use your specialist, we had bags of his specials. And I remember at the time you kind of knew maybe it was no good. You know, they could have used plastic, but we all walking around with a specialist and I'm thinking what the fuck's going to happen 30 years from that. Honestly. I mean, I worked with the specialists a lot. I imagine if you did it for 20 years every day, you know, a hundred thousand people die out of asbestos related, you know, illness and many countries still produce it. Russia, Russia is the number one producer of asbestos. There's still, you know, yeah. Now here in the streets, I mean, if it's in the schools or whatever, they close shit down in buildings, they'll close the building down. It's a health hazard to everyone, you know, they'll, you know, they don't continue on, you know, No, no, no. They have to. It's very dangerous. And did a statue of Liberty, Christopher and Tony meet with Phil and Butch. You know, I just now find out it's expressed as you, but w Derek, you know, Tony goes, come on. You know what it is, you got the same skill shamed scam, Phil. So why don't you cut through the bullshit? You know, nobody's been hiding nothing. I had to shame up and deal with the operations manager should a barroom sanitation filters. Maybe it's Tampax. He's a sarcastic fucking, he wants 25%. Phil just wants to, I think he wants to kind of crushed Tony soprano. Basically. Christopher's obviously distracted Joe jonesing. He's, you know, he's not in, he's not in a good head. This was my last scene of the Sopranos, by the way. That was my last day at the last scene. Last moment. Well, you know, it's interesting because everyone always asks, what was it like shooting the death scene that, that it was the death scene was kind of another day at work, in a weird way. And that scene that day, that day on set with the death scene, it was really all about the stunt, which was kind of mind-boggling that somebody actually did flip that car. This was my last scene. My last day at work, it was, you know, emotional, you know, it was strange. Did you go out afterwards? I don't remember. You know, Maybe In some ways like we, we spoke about it. It never really sank until we were in Florida. And watch that last episode, you know what I mean? Cause there was still stuff to do. There was going to be the premiere that might've been the Emmys. It might've been this and that or whoever, whatever it wasn't over yet, Christopher is wearing a baseball hat in this scene and wears a baseball hat in his last scene, which is interesting because in the pilot, when we first see Christopher he's driving Tony soprano, he's wearing a baseball cap, he's wearing a collar, Colorado Rockies cap here. He's willing wearing a Cleaver cap. But I think there is some kind of full circle thing with the baseball Cap and Michael doesn't wear a baseball cap. I'm Not a hat guy, period. I'm not a, I never was. Christopher's caucus, Vish, driving Tony, frankly, tone of digging. We should meet his number. He should, I think that'll set a terrible precedent. He tells me, he says, he's got them by the gods. Right? Phil's got them by the balls. You know, he says, he's the fly Flying or flying ointment instead of the fly in the ointment, the flying at Christmas, like let them have it. Life's too short. What happened to stop and smell the roses? Tony kind of says, maybe you're right. You know, he puts on the departed soundtrack comfortably numb as a pink Floyd song originally on the wall album, 1979 music by David Gilmore lyrics by Roger Waters, the lyrics were inspired. It's interesting. Raj in 1977, Roger Waters had bad stomach cramps before a concert in Philadelphia. Doctor gave him an injection of tranquilizers in film and, and well, Roger Waters says it was the longest two hours of his life trying to do a show. He could hardly lift his arms. Comfortably. Numb is about that experience. This version is not the one from the pink Floyd album. It's actually van Morrison singing it, Rick Danko and leave on helm of the band of playing new music. And this was on the, the Scorsese department. I've never seen it to be honest with you. I should see it. Cause I like, I obviously like a Scorsese and he says, whatever happened to stop and smell the roses. When he says on the other hand, life's too short to live as a Lackey, Right? But then he says, Tony just looks at him and says this best dose. And they both laugh. They have this little bonding moment. Each day is a gift. You know, I, I feel that with my kid, Tony says that stuff would Jr fuck all this. Christopher talks about the story of this. System's got no balls. And then the song plays and this lyrics that are very kind of, I think, pointed to the scene when I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse. And in hindsight I have to say, this made me think of the many saints to Newark because when Tony was a child, he caught a fleeting glimpse of this kid, the child. And then the song says the child has grown. The dream has gone. Tony sees Christopher as a baby. I cannot put my finger on it. And Tony glances at Christopher and it's and he's seeing something I couldn't help, but not connect it to the movie there. Obviously the movie wasn't made back then, But I do think this, I think when Tony looks over at Christopher, I think he knows that he's high. Chris was not high Christian. You don't think, I think he is he's jumpy. I think he's coked up. He had cocaine in his system. Yeah. He might. He's not high in heroin. No, no, no. That might've Done. Yeah. And he was looking at his watch when they were talking to Phil. He's distracted. And I think Tony kind of sees a little of that because fish a little jumping in the car and he's just him at one point, what is this? Make believe ballroom kind of either you keep changing it. Hey, fucking drive, relax. You know? So I know there's a moment. Yeah. He might've done some, a little Coke. Right? I agree. Phil is just a miserable fuck. They don't get along. He tells you no, you know what? He's talking about. Stop and smell the roses. These said people like Phil, they stick the rose up their ass, go on first. Him and that poached a visual Fox. Yeah. Phil and Bush, Big Fan guys. Heidi's call, you know? So the, you know, th the swerves over Christopher swerves out away, another car is coming. There's the two young girls, Heidi drive almost crashing into Christopher, the car, like you said, it's one of the most incredible stunt you ever saw. And if anybody, if you haven't seen our episode with stunt coordinator, Pete, because you should see it because he goes into great detail about this stunt is it's one of the best ones I've ever seen on any movie TV show anywhere, but certainly the most dramatic on the Sopranos it's it was, there was a guy in that car that flipped, you know, I mean, they shot at many angles, so they repeated some of the flip, but he did flip it like four times. I mean, it was really crazy. And you know, Heidi, you know, they said, you know, maybe you should back Heidi and I just, Kenny, I'm on my learner's permit after doc. That's a little soprano Uma, obviously that moment, you know that the two kids would be there and you got to learn his permit. I mean, that's somebody else. It would've just been a car. You would have never saw who was in the car. You know, another show I flipped the car, the car finally settles. Christopher is really fucked up. Tony's hurt. Christopher says I'll never pass a drug test. You know, I bought a house in Westchester about an hour outside the city in 2007. Right. And right when the show aired and there was a teenage kid who lived there with his parents before I bought it. And in the garage on the wall, after I moved in, I saw he had written, I'll never pass a drug test. Wow. Wow. I guess he left that message for me. I don't know. Oh, is that what it was smart. Alec. I'm sure With the Vipers on the other side, He's joking around somebody, somebody, this is see what Jason, Jason, Jason Minter, David Jason's assistant said somebody was showing pictures to the Inquirer over a hundred thousand dollars. And there was pictures of Christopher dead in the car And bad, Bad that was before social media. Really most of it. And it was really inquired in newspaper. All right, Tony gets out of the car. The Christian was there. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Correct. It was not wearing a seatbelt. I do it for a second. Maybe Tony took the seatbelt off. No, he wasn't wearing a seatbelt. And Tony looks in and sees the branch would have probably killed the baby. Cause it's right through the car seat there. She was again, you know, the trees that we've had symbolic of deaths, especially in the Isabella episode, the long-term parking episode, Christopher after Paulie, you know, Rex Christopher's landscaping in that at the end of that episode, Christopher puts that tree and plants that tree. So that's kind of repetitive theme death or, you know, I don't remember. I'll be honest with you. I love that. He says, call me a taxi, Christopher. It looks like to me, he was going to die either way. Well, He looks like he was in bad shape. He was wheezing. Also. I caught a little GAF. He has the hat on and it sideways. And then it doesn't have the hat on. There was a little split second to that and I played it over and over. So I saw it, him crucified. The hat on that had, oh, really fucked up there. I, you know, to be when Tony actually covers his nose and mouth there, you see the dead, Jim Jim's eyes are dead. Tony Soprano's eyes are just dead Cold clinical, no emotion, a Murder. He's a murderer. Do not forget this. And he didn't think fucking twice about, He didn't think twice, you know, junior uncle junior said at one point, Tony brought it up about drug addiction and Jr said, put him out of his misery. Like we used to do in the old days. And you know, he's probably thinking about is he justified? Why he's doing this. Christopher dies knowing that Tony kills him though. There's a moment when Christopher sees him doing it. Oh yeah. He looks up at him. It's great moment. Was that in? Did you do that or was that in the direction? I don't remember. It's a great scene. A sad scene. Very sad. Really, really sad. I mean, watching. It was, and like you said, I kind of remembered it much more Tony figuring it out. Should I, should I not? Is he going to die? So you're not. He just goes right after him and kills him fucking For a split. Second, he opens the phone, like he's going to call, closes it home. No two ways. He doesn't care. He's holding it while the car is a good fit. The light is on his face. As he's holding your nose and mouth and there's a car passes. What are the main reasons? Give me the top two reasons why Let's say Christopher is not getting sober. He's not being six here. And like Jr said is a detriment. You could flip it any time. That's why I think he's still pissed off about the movie. Oh yeah. That's for sure. But the biggest thing is if Christopher gets busted, he'll give him up in a second junkie. I'm hearing you up in a second. Yeah. You know, it's hard enough, you know, just in general you get arrested. You're facing, you know, 50 years in jail. Hell life in prison. You give somebody up. But now, you know, you're a junkie. You're not thinking straight. You could get caught with the littlest bullshit. You know? So I think that's the biggest thing. It's self serving. The reason he kills him. It is not to do with the other guys or anybody else it's him and him alone. And I think he also has some petty resentments about Juliana. I think he has some resentments about the movie and just you to annoy him. I think it's been building there. She's not around as much. He can't handle those. Look. You know, there was that scene. You know, when Christopher goes off the wagon in front of everyone, Hey, Michael talking Sopranos would like to welcome wine, enthusiastic as a new sponsor. What are you going to give this year to the wine lovers and entertaining efficient arrows in your life? Why not go to wine? enthusiasts.com for unique and hard to find quality gifts and wine accessories. Most people know why did those years from their monthly magazine and their wine ratings. But for more than 40 years, wine enthusiast has also been the premier destination for wine lovers and entertaining aficionados for wine accessories, wine cabinets, Balwyn furniture, gifts, and more. They even have cool gifts for whiskey and cigar lovers too. Now the holidays are coming. You never know, you know, you get them the same old thing, a tie. 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Like I it's as real, as real could be my friend, The road, the car flip you. Okay. I bang my knee. They're going to get, they're going to call Kelly. If they haven't already get out and read around the phone, you know, Tony's taken care of business. She's just, what's about to happen here. Cabela's very upset Christopher's house. He looks at the hat and the t-shirt and the blood all over it. And he looks at it and there's no emotion at all. None at all. He's he murdered them. That's it? This is like any other at this point From that. So Tony looks at the blood bloody t-shirt bloody hat. Christopher's dad. There's this blood cut to it's Paul Schaffer on late night with David Letterman, kind of laughing in this very weirdly sinister way. And then Kelly screaming. It's almost, there's something almost from Tony's coldness to that kind of sinister, laugh, something very satanic and disturbing about it. It's very tough to look at. She should chili just fucking devastated soprano Frank John Hughes. He's only been in a few episodes. We came as soon as we heard this thing, we, you know, we remember, you know, Tony, you could kind of tell he's lying. And I think Silvio knows it. Sylvia was very smart. If anyone's going to pick up on it, it's Silvio The way he's looking at him, the way Tony's lion Silvio smart. And it knows him better than anyone else LVO knows that something's not being revealed. An interesting point at the beginning of this scene, you hear the sound of a Crow cawing. If you remember fortunate son, when Christopher is getting made, there's a Crow in the window that Christopher sees that really disturbs him, that he says it was a bad omen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I did hear the Crow. Bobby skid marks all over the place poorly, poorly always makes sure about kid. Always. He almost put me to a billboard. So again, back to him, Back to him. Yeah. He almost put him to a billboard. Not that the guy is dead. You know what I mean? Then he kisses Tony's ass, you know, you know, you know, he's just fucking idiot. Tony soprano says, you know, he didn't have his sheep poked on his, pulled up suffocated, but Tisha alcohol drugs and Paulie kitchens, fucking Tony's ass shit, at least you're okay. Skip. You know, and it did not sense with Carlos his arrival, the guys are very upset. Christopher was a well-liked guy. He was well-liked by everyone. You know, what's interesting is during the intervention, Christopher said, I should, I should suffocate you. He says here was he high? No, he wasn't high would have strangled him. But in the intervention, he says, I should suffocate you. He says Dr. Christopher. So you think they knew that Christopher was going to die this way back then? Or because that was said, that's how they, I don't know. Interesting, but I'm in it is interesting. Are you gathering up your question for David Chase when it comes on the finale? I should've just been like, I'm going to point Blank. Ask some, if Tony's alive or dead, you should. There's no wiggle room here. I'm going to answer. Give me an answer. You should ask him. I think that's good, But we need to start writing questions out. I, I, yeah, let's do that. This is a good one about I'm going to write this down. What would have happened To Olivia furcation three o'clock and he makes sure you write some of these down. Please keep track of these. Cause What the fuck I drink that? I think it's, what's a funny, is a Christopher's was dedicated to the program after he threw a little poly out the window. It's just, I thought that was kind of a funny line. Let's not go there. Let's not go there. And then, You know, Walden says, and I think that's Carlos pulling up, but then they say something else about Carlo. And, and then Sylvia says what okays about Carlos arrival. Very funny soprano house, the kitchen. You know, when there's death is food and Italian, How You know, they sent out for big goals. It looks like you want to make a plate. All the guys are downstairs. Bobby's eating a bagel, food, food, food, always food, But Tony doesn't want food. He wants a scotch. He wants A scotch. He tells metal. You should have one too. You know, the cousins were close. They're not cousins. Christopher and Mero are not cousins. Well, I Don't know about blood, The cousins cause Christopher and Carmella will cousins, Blood Cousins. I think so. I don't think so. But you know they were very close. Bobby. He comes down, Bobby clears out there at the counter. Here comes Tony scratch and get yourself one Paul. He says, I know I had my differences. This is where he says, if you his dad, I was just not truncal. What the fuck do I know? You know, he's, you know, Maybe I didn't do right by him. He says, maybe I didn't do right by the kids. We fighting over bullshit money, breaking his balls when he tried not to drink. And Tony just says, it's over, He's feeling guilty, feeling very guilty Pauly because they did. And it's like a lot of times, you know, you say things that really mean nothing. And then you go, what the fuck was the big deal? Why don't I worry about all this shit at the end of the day? So was it really that important Christopher House? Tony sits at the table with Kelly's mom and dad. Christopher's mom, Janice meadow, Carmella, Bobby. Then Greta gives the news. They found cocaine in his blood. I don't think they find that out so soon. Take city. He may have made it, but he didn't. Oh, the father-in-law is very upset. Calls him a wackadoo. He's left his granddaughter. Fatherless. Joanne is drinking heavily. She's in prison. A lot of drama. Then Patsy comes in with the news. Coley's mother died Nucci stroke. She went to see the Jersey, boys concert. She died on the bus. She died on the bus after seeing Jersey, boys, another Frankie Valli reference, plenty of them. Al's pissed off the airbags. Crushed your ribs. Metal says, if you're not wearing a seatbelt, Bobby's watching a basketball game eating. He doesn't look like he's mourning that much Know, listen, you go in and out. When you're mourning, it's not at all. Chris's mom drinking, hysterical, crying, and crying. And she wasn't a very good mother to him growing up. We know that, right? She was an alcoholic Murphy's office. Tony says, it's difficult. This is pain. I'm not used to. It was like a son. I see him die like that practically in my arms. And then he says, it's bullshit. I'm fucking relieved. It's a drag drag on my emotions. You know, he's complaining every morning I wake up thinking is today, today that one of my best friends is going to die me on the FBI. It's about him and a weak fucking nibbling lying drug addict, which is why he killed him. That's the worst kind. Let me tell you something. I've murdered friends before, even relative my cousin, Tony, my best friend posts, but this Tony completely heartless Mophie surprise. She's how ruthless Tony is. And we find out and the next scene, it's a dream. I didn't know it was a dream when I first saw it. Well, when he says I've murdered friends and relatives, Maybe he's going, you know, she can't tell can't you tell, I think You think you can, he would never tell her that shit. Soprano bedroom, Tony wakes up from the dream. Was I talking to my sleep, Kamala canceling Dick Cavett, who I've worked with, you know, the Kevin, I do know Dick. We met him. He came to one of the plays at studio, Dante. He just showed up somehow one of the That's, the Legend. And then he wanted to come to the acting class. So one night he came to the acting class that I was teaching with Vince Cortona, Sharon, Angela, Nick Sandow. He was a guest teacher and he did a trip. You know, the night of the play, Jim was there. I forget which play was. But again Afeni was in the audience as was Cabot. So after the play, you know, we were hanging out, having a few drinks in the theater. Dick Cavett did a trick. Dick kava was, is a small guy, right? So he, he stood still and he said to Jim, okay, pick me up. And Jim was a big strong guy. Piggy kind of picked him up like this, grabbed them, you know, like a bear hug and lift him off his feet. And then he goes, okay. And Dick went, he took like a deep breath. Concentrate goes. Now pick me up again. And Jim couldn't do it really was one of the weirdest things I ever saw. I was like, he goes, well, I studied at Akido. I don't know what the fuck he did. Couldn't Jim could not pick him up the second time. Wow. And then Dick, the first concert, my band played in New York. Dick introduced us at Don Hills. I was there. I was there that night. You Know, he's the best talk show hosts in history, the episodes, especially with the musicians, with John and Yoko and Jimmy Hendrix. I mean, just, You got all those guys. He was on at the, you know, when costume was on. Right. But he was new. He was a hip guy. He was on ABC. And you know, he was a health guy. He comes from the same places, Ronnie costs, right? What was it? Oklahoma, Nebraska, Nebraska. I did a movie with him called Dwayne Hopwood. And we had a reading in Tribeca and I was getting off the train. He was getting off the train and I bumped it to him. He introduced herself. We walked in together. He had a small with David Schwimmer and I got to know him and I've run into him numerous times. And he's a likable guy, the best flat out delightful guy. And if you want, he had Marlon Brando on Another guy from Omaha, Nebraska, Brenda was from, And he had Norman mailer. He had all these different kinds of gifts that would go on Johnny Costa. And it was a whole different vibe. Well, it was much better than Johnny Carson. Cause they'd actually have a conversation. It wasn't just like plugging something and trying to get a laugh and trying to kind of, you know, entertain data, actually talk, they'd get into deep discussions about politics, about life, about, you know, you know, that's, that's why it was a good show. You know, a lot of these late night shows, it's just, you'd do a pre-interview they're going to bring up a story that you're going to tell. You're going to tell a little anecdote. There's not really conversation like this. Like you and I having a real moment. It's almost always like that. They going to ask you this. Well, they're going to ask you this. And then you're going to tell this story and you've gone over the story and they very rarely stray and what they do sometimes the late night talk show, they have a based on your answer. They have a joke. Ready? Yeah, I understand. So if I go like, like I, I remember what I didn't let off for the first time. So it was so Thiebaud Vegas, what was your first job? I said, well, I delivered pizzas. And he says, what does he say? It's amazing. Anyone ever got to that? And any, any of them got Punched him in the face when he said that, But that was, that was the joke. And just punched him right in the face. So That's what they did. So it's never a conversation cause it's not real. So it's like a shadow. You going to ask me this? I'm going to say that it's a little nerve wracking. You know, It's bullshit is what it is. But his show was a real conversation and that's why it was great. What's interesting here. It's Katherine Hepburn being interviewed by Dick Kevin. She says, I laugh. I cry. I act, I always get the part in red in the face. All of which is Tony. Tony's red on the face from the airbag burns. He's laughing, he's crying. He's acting. He's pretending. It's an interesting little chore. Why'd they choose that for that reason? Maybe. No. She was with Spencer Tracy for years or wasn't she? Well, they did a lot of movies together. I think they had kind of a, I think he was married and there was an affair. Tracy was a really bad alcoholic. I don't know if he knew that. Oh, oh, oh, I'm talking about My favorite actors. Do you know that? I think he's a genius St. George hotel in Brooklyn Heights. He would check it and bring log it's full of liquor, tons of liquor and just stay in the bed top, barely eat. And the string I'm talking a week or two, she would come and stay with him and the kind of nursing back to health. And then he would clean up and then go out and work. None of that. Then X amount of time later, the same thing. It's legendary. You could read a ton of stuff here. That that's, that was it. Honestly horrible. But like you say a terrific Actor, Soprano kitchen, Tony goes to get coffee, a Cleveland mug, a walks outside and he throws it in the woods. Ever since the movie, they started talking about the movie. We've seen Cleaver hats, Cleveland mugs, you know, all kinds of Cleveland stuff. Tony had enough of Cleveland. That's where you say he really irritated him. Well, Christopher did in that movie portraying how he portrayed Tony surprise. Absolutely. He hated the portrayal. He also hated the whole distraction of the thing. And Christopher's head was in that. And rather than in a day-to-day business and the shit with little poles, I don't know About that. I think it had a cult following. Oh Really? I don't know. I don't think Age certainly did. Yes. You saw that that's in your head. I would think it made a lot of money. I saw no proof anywhere that ever happening. You don't know. I don't always need proof, Steve. Well, apparently from the bullshit that you say on this podcast, there is no proof in any of that. That's right. I think it probably eventually made a lot of money. You think you have proof of people coming back as animals? Oh, I don't come back as animals. I mean, Yeah, but it's not like people come back. It's mine stream that comes back. It's not, I told you, Willie, I think is my mother-in-law man. He fought like my mother-in-law eats, like my mother-in-law he's nosing. Like my mother-in-law, you know what I mean? He's nosy. Is he jealous? I don't sure you kidding me. If I go and hug my wife, he goes crazy. Well, the kids, my daughters come over, he goes crazy. He very jealous, very jealous. My mother-in-law wasn't jealous. She was a good woman. Soprano kitchen. Tony talks to Carmella, I think to myself, how could I ever have said those things about him? Carmelo says he would have never, because remember she, she thought that maybe he did. Sometimes he was handy. He was responsible for missing. Now she's saying there's no way He loved her. You know, he never, you know, I have guilt about what I said about Adriana. He never would let himself take her life. Why are we always so quick to blame? Tony's just cold as ice here. Know? No, you know, there's no guilt, you know? And then he asked her, it's so weird. He asked her, are you relieved? And she's like, what the, what are you talking about? Because that's how he's feeling. Obviously combo says it's hard not to think of Chris as a child. And I get that. And then Tony gets a, you know, a bad joke. Especially when his daughter, Kathy looks like line. Can you make me coffee? That machine for poorly? You need a pilot's license. Yeah. Some of those machines, I like that. Everything is insane. If I did that, my wife, I couldn't make it to a day. I was in a hotel and they had a fancy in the room. There was a fancy coffee maker. It took me an hour and a half to figure out how to make coffee. It's crazy. It was horrible. I couldn't find the power button. I know That's crazy. Even on some of the lights. How about like a, you know, like in Vegas, when you stay in a place where they have the remote, the curtain and that curtain in this car and it drives you crazy. I know. Especially if you come in a little fucked up. Yeah. You're trying to figure out how to put the lights on. Know, I know The fucking phone, the street, but you're closer. You know, Carmela says a lot of women find Christopher attractive. Christopher had a lot of good looking women. Yeah. The Tony gives the about the cost sheet that the baby would have been mangled beyond recognition. She says, I did feel guilt. I was relieved when I found out that it was him not you. And she feels guilty about that. She said, Chris held me when you were shot. He says a tree bangy Caitlin would have been dead. And she just walks away. She's kind of like, kind of, really not down with what he's saying and kind of shocked at his insensitivity here and his coldness. She senses it. You know, you know, to be honest, you know, Christopher, I mean, of course he's a murderer. So everything is relative here. They're all murders. Every one of them. Well, Christopher, I don't think he was a bad guy. He was a Naval guy with a big problem. He was a junkie. Made them do some crazy shit. But know, once we got promoted and started moving up the ranks, you know? Yeah. He tried, he tried to do the right thing, but it was a day late and a dollar short. I mean, they're, they're flat out, you know, murders. What was that? Psychopaths? Sociopaths Sociopath. So Tony tells Murphy. I told her about the baby seat. She won't feel so right. I don't know how that works. I mean, he was high as a fucking guy. I didn't tell her that I'm the asshole. Again, there's been some hard moments. Why a drug addict fantasize about my Don downfall. We even show people in his filthy thoughts on a movie screen. It's so weird. I mean, he talks about his cousin, Tony B, they shot his face away. I carried this kid through the worst of his grief, a huge problem of his own making. I handled it. I felt sorry for him. He talked to gratitude, but she, you know, shit on, you know, shit on the pity. He's talking to his therapist about his nephew or whatever. He calls him who he killed. So he's in, what is he trying to do in therapy is what I get. What I don't get? What, what the fuck is he doing? He wants to get it off his, he there's no one else he could tell in the world, But he's not telling us. He's Not telling you. Can't tell if you tell him I know that. So what is he trying to do? He's basically trying to say my, my nephew was a fuck up and it's kind of okay at it. He's dead. Yeah. I am. I'm not, I'm relieved that he's dead. It's okay. That he died. She knew when everything, but telling her that he killed up, killed him. I took up the slack. He cried. I could deal with it. You know how you're handling this? And she had he complaints. I got to go to the funeral. I got to sit there with people who are hurting bad. That makes me feel like a hypocrite backed him. It makes him feel that he's The guy. Yeah. And that's what makes me mad at them. So he's going to get mad at them. Cause he feels like a hypocrite because he murdered this kid. This scene to me, really shows what this final season is about. Tony soprano has become evil. He's dead. There's something just fucking dead. There's something dead in him here. You know, he killed this guy in cold blood, his nephew, whatever his relative. There's something that has died inside this guy. And what's left is, is evil. I really see that here. Satanic, almost really. Tony tells Melfi, you know, Chris's mother abandoned him as a kid, but now getting shipped to you in tears, she's crying and everyone, you know, she was a shitty mother, but now, you know, she's getting the ship at sea. He doesn't like that. Yeah. Our son's dead. Like it or not talk up or not drunk. I'm going to tell you something. As I get older, I find funeral wakes to be just flat out better for the people that have to go. It's for Barrick to me. And what about Memorial? I don't mind the Memorial celebration of life, but to go to a funeral. And I just went to a few recently of course, friends laid in a casket, you know, on display, like some kind of fucking, I don't know what. And people are at the wake and they're laughing and they're joking like a cocktail party, not everyone's morning. And they go up and they go online. It's an obligation. They don't want to be there, but they got to go show their face. They don't want to go. And it's fair to me. And it's very hypocritical and it's open casket thing. And I gotta be honest. I mean, you know, and then it's all good things, you know, then, then they say, he looks good. This just like Carmelo says here. Oh, he looks great. Doesn't look great. They did a beautiful Job. Beautiful job. He looks horrible. I remember when we shot that scene, you looked horrible. You got the fucking lipstick shit on your lips. It's scary. Horrible. No one ever looks good in the casket ever fucking stop this ritual, stop it. You want to celebrate this man woman SLIFE Do that. I find it very weird. I find If I have a fucking party laugh, remember the good times, you know, remember the time you spent. No, I don't want that. You don't want to remember the good times. You're going to talk about everybody who Yeah, but I'm not going to be in a casket. I'm not going to be in the casket. You ain't never going to see me. I'm gone Just on the video. We'll see. You'll see on the video when I'm gone, I guess some to settle, but that has nothing to do with me. Laying in a casket in a big, shocking fucking casket, Apollo be spilling out. Won't fit the casket and you guys will be there. Oh yeah, this fucking, she was a pain in the ass, but we gotta be nice. Look at this fucking guy. He annoyed the shit out of us. You know? I like when they go see lit up every room, he was in what? A guy, he lit up every room. Now some people are pricks and they died and they would meet spirited. Stop with this fucking wake shit already come out with Tony and people like it. Like we see one of the greatest stick themes in TV history, three to five and six. Wasn't she? Two to five, seven and nine in the early episodes. Why did they change your name? I don't know, But it's still two to five. Seven to nine. And what did I do? You're going to eat now. You can eat before. No we'll eat in between. If you see any funeral, Paula, there's always bars and restaurants, very close to them. That do really well. They do very well. The wake they eat in between the family, you know, all that. Can I remember my grandfather passing away? I was young. I was 11 years old. It was three days. And then the church three Days, that's crazy. You Know, the, the two to five, seven to nine eating in between half the horrible, horrible, horrible. Yeah. They see Juliana's skiff sh she's great. And that little moment, you know, such a good actress, even in that little moment, there's so much unsaid and it's just great. The three of them, ed Jim and Julianna Margulies. I dunno. I just love the moment. E Carmel is a little suspicious. Of course, she's not sure who he was, who she was. Good-looking woman. She probably assumed any woman that Tony knows he's fucked her or tried to fuck her. She's thinking that it was Christopher's goomada I don't know what she's great. She almost laughs at one point, you know, and he says, how are you? She almost like, it's weird. It's a, it's an uncomfortable moment. It's very good. Very specific. She tells, she tells Carmela, I'm a recovering addict. I owe him a lot Carmela. They sit down since I'm going to go up, he says, I'll go up later. You know, Carmela says he loved you so much. And then Tony says, really, you know, well, you know, he did Daniel Baldwins there, which was a great little detail having it there. And the director of Cleaver Morgan yam. Yeah. That was pretty cool to have them. Oh, so you guys did the air, the two to five, three to five, whatever. The two to five, seven to nine, never misses awake. I told you there was a girl pat in my neighborhood, she went to everyone's funeral and you know, people don't know where they come from. If you have a family, it could be a friend of this one, that one, this person. So you don't know who comes in to the funeral. And Then, you know, of course Christopher's mother is screaming and you know, I've seen that. They try and he, she goes on James Brown. Now like James Brown used to, you could see it on YouTube when James Brown, when he would say good night to the audience and guy comes out with the Cape and he falls down and he's crying and you seen that, it's incredible James Brown. And you know, I've seen that, you know where I'm at a funeral. When my father died, there was screaming, you know, just like insanity, like insanity on top of the grief. It's fucking insanity. People get, you know, people get crazy. Their emotions run wild. We had Marianne Leone who came on a Marion. The only played Joanne. She came on the podcast, spoke about this scene, you know, because it wasn't long after her own son, Jesse passed away. And this was a, this was a, a rough one for her. And she was a trooper and went for it. Great job. I feel like shitting in that corporate for hours, We'll be in a conference kind of creepy. It was the second time I was in a coffin. I, the first time was in a movie called basketball diaries with Leonardo DiCaprio. My character died of cancer and that one and not a fun feeling. Did you have a choice? Did they ask you that you want to be in it or a closed? Oh, I'm not that I'm not that I think they closed the casket and that one. No. I mean the soprano one. No, I mean, I didn't, I don't mind doing it. I'm not afraid to do it. I'm not superstitious that way. Look, I went in. I'm not dead. That was a long time ago. So I dunno. Maybe it's not really you I'm talking to. I mean like now you getting like me, Maybe it's free Christopher. I like Paul McCartney. Remember that? Ooh. Seems to have gone off the rails. What's what's his fucking beef with the rolling stones. He's big 79. Paul McCartney. Now he was beefing with Yoko. Now he's beefing about the rolling stones. He called them what a blues cover band. What's that? What's that That's a low blow because Paul surf It's certainly not a blues cover band. Yeah. I don't know. Who knows what goes on that level. I guess they have a private beef. Yeah, but a Mick didn't Mick was kind of a, didn't go there. You know, he took the high, he took the high road. I Take the high road. That's right. I know. I think that's a sure. If that means in Italian high road, doesn't The high road Kelly's wearing a big black dog somewhere says Tony says Jackie Kennedy, another Kennedy reference she's crying when she gets close to Christopher. I remember she was so good. Kara bono. I remember that day. I really Remember that day. Like it was yesterday, both Jason talked to Aja that trynna prop him up. Don't let this linger in your head. They're trying to give him a little pep talk. The two of them. So I don't like either one of them. They're good actors, both these guys. And they make, because they're nice guys. And they're a little punctures we see later on And Other episodes, you know, but they're good. Actors. Both of them are really good actors. Tony looks over at Kelly at one point with a kind of a cold look. It's, you know, he's gone. Something has gone dead in this guy. He's like a shark. He's not, you know, all that evil has now turned to him. You know, you can't, you can't do evil without, you know what I mean? It's it's who you are. It's not, you can't just compartmentalize it. I did this cause it is. I did this because of that at some point, that's it. If you talk to I've read stuff, you know, the more you kill, the easier it gets, The easier They flat out. Yes. You separated and becomes without a thought. He's bringing up the tree limb to little, a little calm on. And the director, you know, they're kind of not, they don't really, he he's saying this more for himself, obviously. Yeah, For sure. He's trying to convince himself. He did the right thing for the right reason. Tony comes in. When he first comes into the funeral, he gives a boost is an old man sitting there collecting the envelope. What do you think? He gave $500. I think that's what he gave him. 500. You know, they give the, a boost like they do at a wedding. The wedding helps the new couple, get their life off the ground in theory. And here you're dying and you give a boosted to help for the funeral costs in the future. Christopher will no longer be making money. Well, and Chris in a narration in many saints and newer Christopher says one. When I died, Tony gave my wife and daughter his pocket change. There you go. Could look at woman Tony shit. You know, he's faking the grief. And then Tony sits out a middle, Carmela comes over. We really should make an appearance at the other week, which is Nucci Holly's mother Is pissed off, Pissed off. He bought 500 wake cards. No one showed up a very few. It's a really dim small crowd. So I feel lost. Not much of a sense of here. She says, the room is beautiful. Nobody's in it. What kind of Testament is just to the spirit of generosity of the woman? I said, it's a lack of respect. I'll never forget it. And he's talking really about Silvio and carload. They're not there. And Tony just says, I gotta get out of here. And it gives another, a boost gives you another one. Then all these very grateful that Tony Carmella showed up that would have killed him if they didn't show up. But he's really pissed off Dr. Vogel's office. CJ's psychiatrist really said, but it's kind of same with blink. I mean, I don't really just keep thinking about things the way I did over and over, you know, And that might be the medication Working. Are you sleeping? He says, why didn't class? AIJ says, you know, a few college classes you've taken seems to be doing better in better spirits, hanging around with these Jason's and thinking, you know, a breakup you, you think, and your ruminate and it hurts your head. You think over and over and over when it's a bad, you're physically tired from thinking so much. So that that ever happened to you. Not just a breakup, but a lot of things. Yeah, sure, absolutely. Anxiety. It's anxiety and worry and all that stuff. The medication, I guess, is helping him. He's going back to college. He's making some friends he's coming out of his depression at the college. They're talking about the different medications, Wellbutrin, Lexapro, Andrea and Jason, the kid, Victor, who they put the acid on the toast, turns out they had to amputate his toes. These kids are two fucking asshole punks. And if they're fathers, they're the murders of the future. And if their fathers weren't who they were, there'd be nobody. Punk Fucking pumps. Soprano house. Tony looks at Carmella. He's upstairs. He looks down in the living room, Camilla, Rita, Kelly, Joanne in the room downstairs, and Tony has had enough. He does not want to go near you don't want to hear this shit. He calls, He sees her, but she's breastfeeding now you're against that. Right? Breastfeeding. You say you're against it. Oh, both of them. My wife breastfed both of my kids. Well, I'm a guest. If somebody wants me to breastfeed them, but what about in Public? Oh, I don't care. You're not going to get me on that. You made that up because I've never said that I have it in my notes. What do you mean? I got it right here. I could care breastfeeding on the train outside. I could kill us muzzle tough. And also it's very good for the kids growing up a lot less. Our kids lost a lot less colds and illnesses growing up. I think breastfeeding support. If that's what I got, I guess my, my information, Whoever gave that to you, that your Intel is overall. I got to F I got to figure this out. Where does this come from? So he calls Alan Kaplan. Alan Kaplan played by mark Lamorah who passed away in 2017. Unfortunately died, died way too soon. He's a host at Caesar's palace. He says, I can even get your plane. Tell your, tell the audience what a host does. Cause not everybody knows Casino. Host is in marketing, you know, and what a casino host does your you're a player, a high roller, you know, depending on where you go, you know, I mean obviously a place like seasons or the Bellagio, when you know, to get really special treatment, you have to gamble more Because these are some of the biggest gamblers in the world, play clubs, right. International. And it's also, I mean, if you go to a smaller casino, you know, like the Tropic Canto or someone like that, you know, or an older casino, downtown casino, you'll get more bang for your buck. You'll be one of their high rollers for a lot less money. Right? So it doesn't go by whether you win or lose really it's how much you play. So if I play $200 a hand, they Know how much you play. Yeah. They they're reading you, you know? So I paid 200 a hand, You buy a 50 grand and chips. They know that they 200 a hand for eight hours to 10 hours for five days. That's a lot of theoretical. And if you play long enough, you can lose. Now, if I go in and I lose a half-a-million dollars playing blackjack at one sitting in an hour, that's another tech. Now I called rich Wilke, our friend and Pacino extraordinary. I've been a friend of ours for a long time. Rich was the host at the Hardrock when I was doing Stewie and I was staying there for the whole time in Richmond. I spent a lot of time, a long time. He's a beautiful guy. Nice family. Alright. So I asked him, I texted him today. I said, so tell me what for them to send the plane to New Jersey. All right. Just One guy for one guy considering rich says, considering it costs 45,000, each way from New Jersey to Vegas, 20 200,000 each way for that plane, For that plane. Right? So the player, the circuit, which we'll go see him, tell him, Steven Michael saying, it's circa. It's the newest casino downtown. It's a beautiful place. Considering it costs 45,000 each way from New Jersey to Las Vegas, the player would have to be at least 750,000 to a million dollar player. And up with history of playing that much and being able to lose that much. Some casinos may own their own jet and have a history of a player losing a half of me in a trip. So they may send one for that level of a player as well. So we've been on Caesar's plane member. They took us from Chicago to Tahoe and the towel back to New York. And because we would do a working, doing some work for them, but that's the kind of place. So we know Tony has been a gambler. So this was a while ago. Maybe it's a little less, but that's what He was playing a regular basis. When he goes to Caesars, do they give any, they know he's a wise guys. There's some of that. Well, I got to tell you that probably works in Rick first these days, because you have to justify it's corporate. I would say in the old days, yes, but now gave me control or fees is corporate, go wait a minute. What was this fucking guy? He's not that big a player you sent the Plainfield and him being a wise guy may get them all in trouble. I may not look so good Jersey, New Jersey boss. So that works in reverse. You know, I would say, Hey, I'd say in the sixties and the seventies, yes, maybe the eighties nowadays anymore, you got to justify why you sent the plane for $90,000, you know, unless it was filled with six guys, Tony flies on a private plane by himself, right. David had called me, David Chase called me and asked me all these questions about a host. You know, this happened, you know, how much would he have to play? Would he have a suite, all these Vegas questions? And I, I think I was helpful to him. Yes, me, you know, stuff about what was she in coming up with the acid, which I don't know much about, but he did ask me about the gambling and the roulette, some stuff, basic Vegas questions where we spoke for about 45 minutes. And I gave him some info, which I hope was useful. Tony drives through that tunnel, which they built that in the eighties. When I first moved there that wasn't there, that got you from one side of town to the other. So, you know, you know, the, the, the airport has got bigger and bigger, a bigger, it used to be a tiny airport. When I moved there in 1979. Now the tunnel takes you right? Very close to the strip. You know, it takes you with no traffic. It's, you know, 10 minutes. They want to get the players set of tables as soon as possible, Make it as convenient as you can. That's the tunnel underneath. See where he's playing roulette. He loses twice. He gets up. Now that's Laura Miller's McClatchy, who was a Dear friend, dear friend. And she works PR for HBO. Yeah. I think she would be out with the travel department, Talent relations, Tyler relationship. Great. Such A great person. Good friend. Been an actor. I think she had moved away. She's no longer with HBO. And what was the other? There was a couple of other ones that were great in the town relations. Rob was such a nice show. Nice. I think it's so changing of the guard there, but a lower militia I'd left a while ago. And I really like her a lot and she finally got a shot. She had been an actress. She finally gave her a shot here, which I was happy to see Tony by himself from the restaurant. It looks like he's enjoying the wine. Is that W what's at Caesar's. Is there a steakhouse specifically, you know, Steak houses in the forum shops, He's having board dough. It looks like a bottle of board donuts. Do you mind? Not at all. I, I, you know, I travel a lot for work and I, I eat out a lot and I have no problem eating alone. I'd rather eat alone than with someone I don't want to be with. I'd rather eat alone and somebody, I don't know. Well, and it's kind of a Fort, you know what I mean? It's like, I'm totally fine eating by myself. What I do, you know, when I'm on location, I find one place I like, and I'll go there a lot. That's what I'll, I'll do that on vacation too. We just did that in Italy. Find a place. You like go there a lot. Tip. They get to know you. They know what you like, you, you, you know, that's my favorite thing to do. You kind of establish yourself there. You got good service because there's so many places obviously and expensive places and you go, well, let's try somewhere different than you go and go. Why the fuck did I just spend $300 on A hundred percent? If you find someplace good, go back. Well, we were just in Mesa. And of course from the hotel they had, you know, it was just a regular dumping sports ball. But I went there Friday night. I met a good friend. I went there Friday night and it had something to eat a good friend. And then I went there the next afternoon for lunch. And it was, well, There wasn't many choices though. No, but still perfectly fine. The food was good. I Had a grilled cheese, French fries I have To go to. So I said, I had a hamburger the night before was not that bad. It is what it is, but I find it easy. I don't mind eating alone restaurants. Like I said, Tony joins himself, a literature class, Aja sits in the class. And the professor is given a lecture about the material world, which is kind of a running theme on the Sopranos. It's also right after seeing where here you have this guy enjoying exactly that the material world, fancy hotel, private plane, gambling, Bordeaux wine, you know what I mean? It's his father. Who's enjoying this at the expense of a lot of people suffering and death and misery. You know, I personally, you know, like when you, you know, you could get a casino rate if you know someone, right? So you call and say, what happened? You know, somebody get a casino rate, a corporate rate. So if the hotel room is $400, you might get it for 300. I'd rather do that than be obligated to gamble. You know, I'm not a big gambler anyway. But if you take comp and the RFV, which is room food and beverage, you're taking that cop. Now you got to play X amount. So your vacation is shit. I got to play four more hours. I got to play a few more hours. If not, I'm going to have to pay for this stuff. I'd rather just give me a casino rate. If I'm going to gamble and I'll pay my own way, I pay for my night and you don't have to gamble and you don't have to get, you know, that's what I prefer to do. Caesar's palace pool. He sitting by the pool. He's relaxing. No, We hung out there. Remember at Caesars, palace was out at the pool at Caesar's when I was wearing all the black. Was that Caesar's? No, that was at the Hilton. Oh, the Hilton. Now it's the Cape, but you're wearing a black suit, black shoes, black shirt. It was 110 fucking degrees. You had sunglasses and you were reading the newspaper, the racing fall. I knew it was like one o'clock in the afternoon. He ended up in the dead summer, summer, Tony driver, Tony said the driver drives Tony to the hotel, to Sonia's apartment, right. Sonia's apartment. And it's near the Tropicana. I used to live right near there. The Tropicana I lived around the corner. They used to be the Tropicana country club around there, you know, CMG and with the MGM is, but it used to be a small hotel called the marina. It was all telling casino called the marina. Part of the MGM is still the marina. They built, like kept that structure. And they had about 20 houses. Paul Anka used to have a house on the country club and it was a Tropicana country club and MGM bought it. And that's where they built that I lived across the street from there. I live right in that neighborhood. What you see kind of how our apartment is supposed to be. Sonya is played by Sarah Shanghai, done a lot of work, really good actress. She was once a Dallas cowboy cheerleader. Did you know that she's also a descendant of a 19th century, Shaw of Persia? Believe it or not. She's done a show now six life it's called. She was in old school. She was in, which is a really good series. If you haven't seen it sitting on a hill with Kevin bacon, she was on the first season of that. Really? I thought she did a great job in this show. Very believable. I really like, there's something very specific about that character that I just really bought it. I thought she was very honest and really believable. I don't know what she is. You think she's her hookup. And I think she's a strip up student, half hooker. I thought she did a great job. I think she's very believable. There's a real specificity to this character who she is and the way she talks about Christopher, the way their relationship was, whatever it was. I think she's just really honest and really believable. I liked what you did. We find out she's a dancer and actually putting herself through college. She is, does it. She offers Tony a drink when he comes in Santa margarita, Pinot Grigio, which at one point, did you drink it? I know I drank it. You drank it. Like you drank cases of that stuff. Literally like it was war. It's a very light white wine. I haven't drank it in a long time. He used to love it. I used to love it. And, and, and so Rico, that's what he's, you know, drinks. It is day Tony, Santa margarita, Jim drank it. It's a very light wine that you could drink a ton of it. And so, you know, it's, you know, I'm sure for real wine, people may not like it, but it's very popular. And she offers them that that's what she serves him. He, she, he says, I got some news, serious news. It's about Christopher. He's dead. It was a car accident. She says, oh my God, that's fucking awful. But she's not that devastated. That's the price he doesn't see. Yeah. I don't know how close they were or whatever, or, you know, maybe she's not that surprised because she knew he was, maybe she knew she had drug issues and things he asked, did he marry that girl who wound up leaving him? He, you did have a daughter. And she says, it's good that he left something. She's great in the scene. There's a book on cats in her apartment, which, you know, later on there's that cat staring at Tony. And so that might be something there. She does a great job. I used to have a cat when I was around 21, I was living down in Greenwich village. We S my girlfriend, I had a cat. I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. But now I'm allergic to animals. I wasn't, then it happened like in my late twenties, I started getting all these allergies. I don't know why I love animals. I just can't be, you know, I love dogs. I just Really love you. I know he does. Every time he sees me, he stares into His tail was slapping Away. Well, I've been away now, Sarah Shanghai who plays song, like I said, she, she is it sitting on the hill, the first season, which is a great series that Alfred met though. They grow is on there. And she's got a show on Netflix sex life, and she's done a whole chore. She's really good. And Tony's just getting to know him. He goes and pays a visit to have a drink. Men that's about it. She was friends with Christopher, I guess probably met him at the strip club. Maybe Christopher was there on vacation. Seems to be, that could be a connection as we can. John called Tony, I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm here with the school, especially if it's packing up, I gotta dump this shit. I say, though, I, you know, the fact that he's at Caesar's, he's in this robe, but this Roman theme, there is this thing of this emperor, this king, you know, he killed his relation. His mother was Livia, who was, you know, one of the emperors, cloudiest his mother. I think the emperor cloudy, his mother, which David named her Livia based on that show. I Claudius. And the character that of Livia from that show, there is this image that I think they're playing with this Roman emperor, you know, drunk with power, murdering his own relatives, to stay in power, enjoying the fruits, you know, in the spoils of all this kind of corruption and power run a muck. I just see, you know, and he's high above the city that he's kind of ruling over it. It was just kind of imagery that really, I thought worked. I'm sure there was some pointedness to it. The last time I was in Vegas, probably your list time. We were there for a charity thing in June of 2019, they remember Caesars one of my favorite hotel number. We had suites that were like Gigantic. I mean, I Had different ones, but they were like, they could have fit 150 people. I stayed in. I didn't even use the living room, which was like bigger than my apartment. We did a charity at rails, which rails is closing the rails and Caesars. We had dinner. And then we went to see the David Perico band, which we loved At Cleopatra's barge. That was a fun show. I was a lot of fun. They then have the bands for the Oakland Raiders, the house band. They were really fun. That was a good show. David Perico. But we had suites. I mean, separately too. Maybe we could have fit a lot of people in there. They treated us very nice. Yeah. And so we talked about to your specialist and you saying, you know, hold tight. You know, Phil won't let the soprano crude dumped to your specialist for coming at a House, You know, say, let him pick it up. That breaking bottles, punks punk-ass and there's a cyclist. And the key opens his door. The cyclist runs into the door. It's not, it's an accident. That's a great stand. Whoever did that, that would look very realistic. The door. You don't look at it at all. Jason, you wrecked my fucking door and they start beating up this poor guy for No reason, No fucking reason. It's just terrible. Terrible to look at the, a punk scumbags each to this is a hardworking guy putting himself through school and it was an accident and they give him a beat. Terrible. Tony drives the Tropicana again, he's going Pretenders again. We've used the pretenders on the soprano several times. This is the adulterous of their second album. Don't know if that's, you know, directly related to the Sonya character. Cause she used to be with Christopher. Now she's with Tony. I don't know they're having sex. Another, pretend a song from the first album space invader, which we have used that song in another episode, actually his second time space invader by the pretenders as being used. She says, you remind me of Chris who seemed sad, but I think you're actually sad. Well, hopefully in the strip, you know, they kinda like, you know, some people say that guys go to them just to talk to them and tell them their problems. There's a lot of that Goes on. I'm not a big strip club guy. No, No. Normally, You know, Chris left to party, remind me of him says, why would you bring him right after sex? Well, I'm saying there's a certain type of guy that I don't run into on campus. She's a college student. You and LV is not far from the Tropicana Tropicana in Maryland. That's where Nevada Las campuses, where my wife graduated from. But where I dance the accent, the clothes, Chris sometimes talked about some shit, shit, like you said, but you seem sad. So she kind of likes that maybe back east guy that comes to town. They're not like frat kids, you know, they smoke a joint. He brings up the pot. You know, I be thinking, why the fuck am I here? You can get to that place. Now I'm not a tour guy. So I don't know nothing about mushrooms or pot or So pay only comes from the cactus. I guess a flower may be on the cactus and they're hallucinogen. It's a hallucinogenic drug that was used in ritual by a lot of the native tribes in Mexico and S in the Southern part of the United States, like Arizona, the, you know, native tribes in, in that region. And they'd use it for, you know, in rituals, a shamonic rituals for, I guess, clairvoyance or seeing the future, or just kind of seeing mine, expanding on the mind and seeking wisdom. I guess he says he always wanted to try, but the responsibilities never allowed him. She hasn't done buttons in a while. I remember when I was a bouncer, I found, you know, at the end of the night you would go, you know, when the lights got up, you know, you would go and look around, see if people left shit. And I follow the big three big mushrooms. Yeah. That, stuff's not my thing. I like to be in control. Even when I drink. Well, that's a problem. You need to let loose. You need to give up control. I think In the sweat lodge, out in The desert? What, what do you call her out there? The desert Verna social club on Mulberry street. That's Mara CRO bar. I walked by there yesterday. There's a big picture in the window of that last supper Sopranos thing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Big, really big right in the window of that place. Right on Mulberry street. Yeah. Butch Alby. And Phil, Tony says, you got to let go of the old shit. You got everything you want. And Phil says not everything. Meaning. I think he means, I think he wants Tony. He wants Jersey. So what do you mean? So I think so, because he still has a beef. The big beef is the Tony blonde Darrow and a bit His brother. But I think he wants Tony. And I think he's got a lot of power. It's gone to his head. He runs New York and he thinks he can just take over to his family. Tony, Tony is like a little nub compared to the Jersey family here is He he's thinking he could fold it into the, you know, the New York family and that he, that he runs without it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And the things Tony does as a boss, to be honest with you, stealing the wine and small piddly things that I don't think in New York boss would do Whatever. Do You know a lot of stuff like that? You know, you know, well, you want it to get them to do it. Especially Tony hangs up on this is me hanging up. Phil's a smart ass. You know, he doesn't like Chris either. Wasn't able Johnny sack that doesn't like Chris, neither One. I don't think Dr. Vogel's office. AIJ, you know, people walk around like this all or dishes, all something fucking laughing and nobody takes even one second and think about what's really going on, said you shot the press again. How could you not be? You have to be fucking nuts. Not to be. I mean, you have to have your head, which so far up your ass that all you can see is your face. Everything is so fucked up. Why can't we all just get along Very good in the scene, Rodney king and he's upset. He saw these Jason's beat up this poor black kid for no reason whatsoever. Good job by Robert Showing you his apartment. Tony takes struck with Sonia. Tony makes out with her on the couch and he throws up in the bathroom. He stares at this white light. You know, I thought when he throws up, which apparently happens, I've never taken pod, but that's what I've read that you do. You do throw up when you take it. And then after the puking is when you start to really trip, it's an interesting speed. They speed the film up as the Dolly pushes in on him. But he sees the light, which is buzzing with this home. And it was reminiscent of when he was CA Kevin Finity in the coma. I was thinking of that when he was looking at the white light and then it cuts to the interior of the hotel on a, somebody rolling this roller bag, which was again, very reminiscent of Kevin Finity. I think they're making some connection there. Yeah. You said the white light. She's his palace. They walked through the casino. They fucked up. I walked up in a couple of little shots versus a Pompei slot machine. Again, we're talking about this Roman emperor thing and then a cartoon like drawing of the devil, which I think what I was saying before about Tony, there's something definitely satanic that has kind of overtaken him. And I think that was what that reference was. Now you go to roulette table. It's a, you know, same as the solar System now, what is he talking about? I don't know, shame system, if the solar system Do you think it's possible, do you think it's possible to tune into some psychic way of the kind of random wheel random spinning of the roulette wheel? That's complete luck. I think this is the one thing is complete luck. Black Jack takes some skill, a cracker off a show up craps for show money management. You know what I mean? I think baccarat, you can somewhat control money management, that kind of stuff. I do not think a slot machine. There's no skill unless you're playing, you know, a poker then of course that's Different. And I think a roulette is just random. So like spitting the big wheel, you know, you know, you know that, that big one, Tony press it all showing you tells him to press it. You know, this, there used to be things. I don't know if they exist anymore. Girls that would chip hustlers. That's where I live. My neighbor was a chip hustler. So they, you, you they'd kind of be at the table and they'd go, go sidle up to a high roller Kind of that kind of thing. They would play a little, maybe small stakes or go to the bar, have a drink at the bar Next to a high roller. Who's winning a lot. They get me. And this is what they did. This girl was a chip hustle. This is what she did for a living and for living for a living at a bar, hang out, she was good. Looking, not in this score per se, but then go meet the guy, come on the cheats of crafts. She kind of courses him into that starts winning. He gives it a, a BA. Then she scrapped turns it shit. I got to go to the bathroom. She's gone. She's She's not there to sleep with him. She's there to make a few bucks. You know, I assume they still do it. And some guys are happy to do it. They actually companionship. I'm shooting dice. She's bringing me luck. Blah-blah-blah that's not necessarily gonna go up to his Alltel. He there's something in him. Tony, that is, is dead like a shark. Like I said that before, you know, and it's that evil, that's just kind of, he cannot escape at this point. He's just indulged in too much. He laughs wins three in a row, wins all this money, falls down on the floor. And then it cuts to a very specific pointed cut here, making a point. He falls down, he wins his money and then here's dumping his best dose into the water. Basically the evil of Tony soprano. Now you're poisoning the water poisoning people. He's already a killer. And What are you, what are you taking that he it's 20 for a while? Two or three times. What do you make of the number 24? Any significance there? No, not that I know of you. No, I'm asking you, I dunno, two plus four is 6, 6, 6, 6, maybe. I dunno. But the second number wasn't 24. He hits 24. He doesn't hit 24, 3 times. He hits 24 and then it's 20. And then 2013. That's your Number? Yeah, always. It's black. Do you play the water? No, I don't play roulette very rarely. I don't really like it. I only like blackjack. It's kind of fun level. You don't want to think. I like to think. Well, you like to think with the people fucking heckle you, they don't like playing with you. I don't care. I know. I really don't care. It's my money. I can do whatever the hell I want. Exactly. If you don't like to gamble when we go to another Table table. Exactly. Without a doubt. We're in the desert. Tony and Sonia, watch the sunrise. Tony. I get it screaming. I get it. He sees the white light, the sun coming up again, the white light. What does he get? What do you think he gets? I don't, I don't know. I don't know. What could he get? I don't know yet. He's crying. He's sad. He's guilty. Is he full of joy? Is you feel a guilt? Is he full of sadness? It's a very strange, What can he get? What are the meaning of life from that? Wow, that's a good question. Write that down for David. What does he get? Andy, write that down. A couple of David questions. So suffocation reference from the, from the intervention and the actual suffocation of Christopher in this episode of what did he get? I want to ask David does a really good question. See, what did he, when he says he got it, what did he get? I also, you know, so he goes out there. He makes the strip. He's got to feel that shit with payout or this got to think a few days to wear off. Oh yeah. The crash from that's probably horrendous. Yeah. So your final episode Ends with a song by Calexico. Really good song minister. Coldwell did great. Good. I enjoy this stuff. It's not the first time they've been used on the show, you know? But like you said, I wasn't, it was your last episode so that you weren't around you didn't come around the, your last day on set. Did you come to the last refill? I don't Remember. Do you remember? You notice? I don't remember a lot of Shit. Yeah. I do not do not. I have a bad memory. What's the story with that? I have good short-term memory. Not long-term. So you think off a bit someday be a candidate for Alzheimer's? No, I don't think so. You remember your lines when you study line? Yeah, I have good, really good short-term memory. I just don't Stories on the I'll live conversation with the soprano show. I remember my, all my lyrics when I perform with my band, you know? So I don't know. I just, you know, the kind of details that don't seem important as long time before. Yeah. I don't think I went back to the shit when I was done. I was done. I didn't go to the last week Visiting if I'm not working I'm with you. Great episode. I'm sorry. I mean, let me know if you're going to continue to podcast. If not, I gotta, I Gotta think about it. Okay. So doing the search And I've got Andy and he believed me and you'll jump right in And he's Raring to go. He was such a nice innocent guy. Turn evil fame. Fame is a great corrupter. Once he got on front of the camera, it was all over. That was it. Do you think we should have him on The Virta rats? His groupies he's got fan clubs. Andy, the diverter rats. They're called Folks. If you want to see Andy on the podcast, please, A guest As a guest, let us know, let us know. Let us know if you want to see anything on the podcast. Let's talk out some stuff before we leave with a bit of tastes that Michael. Okay. All right. I think that's inevitable. I think that's a done deal, but we'll see what happens. All right. Now it's time for the talking Sopranos asked me anything. Segment the winner of our AMA best question of the week is Laura from Chino, California. We're going to send Laura a pair of Bose headphones. Chino. Is that a Prison? Laura asks, what does production doing? An active is ill. The common, cold or flu. Are you expected a pressure to come to work? If you are not feeling well, is there such a thing as a sick day as an active, Well, I mean, let's talk pre COVID because everything changed with COVID Very good question. Good Question. I have never missed a day of work. Wow. Ever. That's great. And unless you're in the hospital, pretty much, you gotta show up. You have a cold, I've gone to work with a cold. I've gone to work sick. You take medicine, they'll have they'll call a doctor. They'll get they'll do anything they can to get you in front of that camera. Yeah. I've had doctors come to set. I've had shots, B12 or whatever, unless you you're in the hospital. You pretty much got to show up. Michael. That was a while back now days. I think they're much more compassionate towards this. Of course, with COVID it's a different story. We're not talking about COVID because of course, if you're not feeling one, everyone's afraid that that's what you got. But you know, I missed work last season on blue bloods for the first time before college, before COVID I know this year dog COVID I missed two days of work and I missed a day this year and they tested me over and over and over. And I didn't have COVID. They said Dr. A cat cats. He came to the house, Dr. Katz. And they're much more careful now. I mean, I don't want to miss a day at work and I've gone with colds and sore throats. You also don't want to get everyone on the set sick. No, no. So they're a little more compassionate even in the workplace these days where it was, you know, as an actor, a list, you can't make it, you want make it, you know what I mean? And you know, sometimes it's more critical that you show up. Like if, you know, sometimes they'll secure say they're going to shoot it to have it on the green in central park, which is a very hard location to get very expensive location. They've worked out that day. They only Yankee stadium. You're going to shoot in Yankee stadium, Madison square garden. That's a big deal, really expensive, lots of hard logistical things to work out. It's the only opportunity you go. It's going to be really hard to switch that or go back and reshoot it. They're going to really try to get you. If it's a day at the studio where they, they own the location, they're always there. They can juggle shit. Of course, I'm sure they'll do their best to be trying to get so, and so we'll take it on in two days, hopefully you feel a bit it, on the end of the day, we don't have that busy a day. But like you said, they'll try everything. If it's a usual location like that. And as an actor, if you give a shit, you will do everything you can to make it. You know what I mean? Whatever it takes, you know what I mean? Unless it's just, I mean, you're, you can't get out of bed unless you get that sick, you know, flu and fever and you just cannot. If it's, you know, a little thing, but there are no sick days as an actor. And you're on call. Basically. If you're on a series, you're on call, basically you're being paid per episode and you are on call for the eight days or seven days, whatever it is, of course they could call you at any time, anywhere because so-and-so missed a flight or doesn't feel well, we need your entire morning. Correct? Absolutely. So You're basically working, you know, you're working for no, they're paying you for those eight, nine days, your better be ready to work. You better be ready to work. And there's no sick days. It's not like you have 10 that you can use whenever you want. It doesn't work that way. And you're pretty much, unless you're really sick. You got to show up. So good question, Laura, enjoy your Bose headphones in Chino, California, Michael. This is what we got, man. We got three episodes to go The last three second coming, blue comment and maiden America. That's all. That's all she Wrote. And then we have super fan. We do have a superhero Three episodes to break down. Boy. I dunno. I'm going to have mixed emotions. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not there yet. Let's see. We said we'd guess. And remember we said, we got, We said, we get there to the end. We'll go. We're almost there. My friend who said, you know, Thanks for listening. Remember new episodes are released every Monday. Please subscribe to the top of Sopranos podcasts on YouTube, apple music, Spotify, Amazon, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you haven't subscribed by now, fuck it. Don't even fucking bother to be honest, follow us on Twitter. And it's the grant. And if you want to like us on Facebook like us, if you don't fuck right now, get official merchandise talking soprano.com. Or If you haven't subscribed by now, don't even bother that. I don't think anyone's ever said that on, on a podcast, our executive producers, Jeff Sussman, producers, Andy Virta rom our music was and performed by Elijah Amitan. 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