0:11

guest on the show today is Sean Osborne.

0:14

He is a coach. He's an author. He's

0:16

a podcaster. He has become a

0:18

friend of mine. We actually spent some

0:20

time together. Wow. Only

0:22

about 10 days ago. We got a chance to hang

0:24

out and we're going to talk a little bit about that today. Sean,

0:27

you and I have been talking about having you on my show

0:30

for at least a year, and

0:32

we've been talking about me coming on yours, and we're making it

0:34

all happen all at once today here as we wrap up

0:37

2023. This is going to let you know

0:39

a lot about Sean and I's personality. We

0:41

like efficiency. Yes. Efficiency.

0:44

We like efficiency. Sean, the first

0:46

question, am I talking to you, or am I talking

0:48

to an avatar right now? Or a DP?

0:51

Both.

0:54

It's a combination. You've combined them both. But no,

0:56

seriously, Sean, so good to have you on today. Sean

0:59

is We're going to talk about

1:01

a variety of different things. Sean and I have had,

1:04

in some ways, similar journeys in our corporate

1:06

careers to doing our own thing, and in some ways,

1:08

we Very different journeys. Shoshana, I'd

1:10

like to open up by just

1:12

having you share a little bit about yourself, anything you

1:14

want the audience to know about you as we kick off here today.

1:17

Yeah. So again Jason, thank you so

1:19

much for having me on, on the show and yeah,

1:21

we've been wanting to do this for a long time.

1:24

We've been together doing Many things over

1:26

the past couple of years with, you know, the mastermind groups

1:28

and, and getting together and really

1:30

being able to kind of grow up together over the

1:32

past couple of years and in what we do. So

1:35

yeah, so just a little bit about

1:37

me. So my journey started

1:40

probably a little bit different than most people. My journey

1:42

started when I was 15 and I found

1:44

myself homeless. I was

1:47

on my own I was the, the,

1:49

literally the poster child for don't do drugs. If

1:51

you ever saw those posters back then, like don't do drugs.

1:53

Yeah. That was

1:54

with the, with it. And then the post, I

1:56

mean, I was a dare kid. I'm 46. So I grew up

1:58

in the dare world and

2:00

grew up in the, Arguably

2:02

the best commercial ever the fried egg in the

2:05

pan. This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs

2:06

amazing. Yeah So

2:09

my brain is now just over

2:11

easy over. Well, actually it's

2:13

So,

2:16

you know and that that's pretty much

2:18

what my life was so that's what I saw

2:20

as reality back then was very,

2:23

very scarce. You know, my mindset was scarcity.

2:25

It was very dim, very low.

2:27

Obviously my self esteem was not very good

2:30

and several key things

2:32

happened back then. So again, I was on

2:35

my own since 15. I, you know, since

2:37

15, I literally have not lived with my parents.

2:39

I've been on my own. I've done my own thing.

2:42

So Sean, just really quick. So

2:44

at 15, You were on,

2:47

you were on the street, you were on the streets

2:49

doing your thing and then you're in and out of like shelters

2:51

and things like that, so you were literally homeless at

2:52

15. Yeah, and here's the thing, I never

2:55

went to a shelter. I never went to a

2:57

food bank. I don't know if I didn't understand

2:59

that they existed. Yeah. Or

3:01

I didn't want to know they existed. But

3:04

I never did any of those.

3:06

So it was like I was either on

3:08

the street or I was trying

3:10

to get a room with someone, a friend.

3:13

I, at 15, I actually moved out of the state

3:15

I was in. I was living in New Mexico and I actually moved

3:17

to Omaha, Nebraska. So

3:20

I got clean and I, and I knew to myself

3:22

that. In order to stay clean, I had to

3:24

get out of where I was. I at least had

3:26

the, the, you know, the, the knowledge to say,

3:28

I've got to leave that because I'd been through treatment

3:31

once before, went back and it's like, okay,

3:33

all the same shit, the same people got

3:35

into the same stuff. So I moved to Omaha,

3:37

Nebraska, knew nobody, nothing there.

3:40

So didn't know people didn't know anything.

3:42

It was really starting from ground ground

3:44

zero. And there's not

3:46

a lot of opportunities for a

3:49

recovering drug addict. 15,

3:52

you know, 16 year old kid to

3:54

make a living. There's not a lot of opportunities

3:56

there. And so I was trying,

3:58

you know, I was washing dishes. I was doing

4:00

all these things to try to survive,

4:03

but there were times that I was, didn't have

4:05

a place to stay. You know, I couldn't sign leases

4:07

anywhere, so it was very tough to stay anywhere

4:09

anyways. So yeah, it was several years

4:12

of that. And then at 17,

4:15

Somehow, see, and here's the thing,

4:17

you know, that even though all the shit I

4:19

was going through, I

4:21

still had an it factor. I've, there was still

4:24

something about me because somehow I

4:27

still had an it factor because it's only gotten better

4:29

over time. Obviously it's only gotten better. I've, I've

4:31

fine tuned to it because somehow

4:33

Amy, which is now my wife, you know, back,

4:35

you know, back then, you know, she told me that

4:38

once she said, yeah, to date me and it's like, she was

4:40

way out of my league. She was just thinking about it. She

4:42

was educated. She

4:45

had a place to stay. It's like, Oh, she had a car.

4:48

It's like, so she said yes to date me

4:50

and, and. You know, I, I tend

4:52

to like to make things difficult. So I of

4:54

course got her pregnant. And so I'm 17.

4:59

You're like, let me, let me take you down with

5:01

me, Amy. We're going to go down. We're going

5:03

to go down together. Hold my hand.

5:05

Yeah. So got her pregnant and

5:07

it was like, that was the scariest

5:09

thing that has ever happened in my life. It's like that to me,

5:12

that was when I actually hit like rock bottom.

5:14

I'm like, Holy crap. How can

5:16

I possibly bring a kid into

5:18

this world? Look at, I am uneducated.

5:20

I can barely survive on my own. I

5:23

can't support myself let alone a family. You

5:25

were clean

5:25

though. You were clean. Yes, you were clean,

5:28

but Not really a place to live

5:30

hard to get a job. Yeah, not a great place to have

5:32

a child. Yeah

5:33

Yeah lived in a place that was living

5:35

in places that yet No child should ever see

5:37

let alone, you know Be involved with

5:40

and that's really that was that for me the catalyst

5:42

that said, okay Sean No

5:44

one's coming here to save you. Nothing's

5:47

gonna change unless you change Sean

5:49

There's, there's no government programs. There's

5:52

no one is coming to help you, Sean, you

5:54

do this on your own. And literally

5:56

from within that time at

5:59

17 till 28 at

6:01

28, I was in the process of taking my first

6:03

high tech company public. So it's like

6:05

those 10 years are

6:08

the most special. for me, the most spectacular

6:10

10 years that I've had in my life.

6:12

It's the most invigorating, the most thinking

6:15

the most ideas. It was like a process

6:17

of just nonstop growth during

6:20

that timeframe. And, you know, I

6:22

like to say that being on my

6:24

own and homeless at 15 was probably the

6:26

best thing that could ever happen to me.

6:28

It was the biggest gift I've ever been given because

6:30

it forced me to take responsibility for myself

6:32

and to get things done and to do things that

6:35

I could not, I could not have done.

6:38

Had I stayed in school? Had I went

6:40

through high school? I think one

6:42

of the things that I gained from that is I

6:45

got out of school in the ninth grade And

6:47

that was about the time where to

6:50

me people start getting programmed of what they can

6:52

and can't do. So yeah, luckily, luckily

6:54

I got out before Society

6:58

said, Sean, you can't do some of the things that you were going to

7:00

go do. You can't go talk to, you

7:02

know, I was 22 years old and I was going and talking

7:05

to, you know, billionaire, millionaire, venture capitalist

7:07

saying you need to invest money in my company.

7:09

You're, you're, you're an idiot if you don't invest

7:11

a million bucks in, into my, my seed company.

7:13

And again, I'm a nine That was,

7:15

that was your actual, knowing you, that might be your actual

7:17

pitch. You're an idiot

7:18

if you don't do it. Yeah, I, oh, I, I absolutely

7:21

see. That

7:23

was, that was part of it's like, you're an idiot if you

7:25

don't invest in my company. And

7:27

it's like, so it's like, I was never programmed

7:30

with what I can and can't do, which was to

7:32

me, which was a gift that that I

7:34

was given that cause now it's like you go through

7:36

school. It's like, you can't do it. People tell me like, you can't do

7:38

that. I'm like, well, I did. Yeah.

7:41

You know, I did. You should do it. You just take

7:43

action. You just go and do it. You know,

7:45

Sean, I want to just offer something. I

7:47

just, I just started

7:50

listening to. Listening

7:52

and reading to the Elon Musk biography

7:54

by Walter Isaacson. He,

7:58

he had something similar. I don't know if you,

8:00

if you listen to it or read it. Where his father

8:02

would tell him, You can't do this, you can't

8:04

do that. His father was

8:06

also very cruel, according to the book. Very

8:09

cruel, very critical. Never

8:12

said nice things and, I

8:14

think this is a common experience. Like the output

8:17

is different of 15 or drugs or,

8:19

Like what Elon's doing now but, I think this is

8:21

a common experience for people to have. I

8:24

have a little bit of this in me, too. I, again,

8:26

and we were talking about this before, is you and I have

8:28

a very different path. I grew up in a great, great

8:30

home. Parents are awesome. But, very

8:32

limiting beliefs. And not really from them, just from myself,

8:35

growing up in the Midwest. I grew up in the Midwest, too.

8:37

Right? So, not Omaha, but Minnesota. It's like,

8:40

yeah, you can't really do that. Here's what you can expect

8:42

out of your life. And, I

8:45

just want to say, I really admire Your

8:49

tell, what is it you, I can't do again to tell,

8:51

let me, let me make sure I get the details of that

8:53

so that I can go do that specific

8:55

thing. Exactly. I

8:57

dare you to, to doubt me because I will, you

9:00

tell me I can't do something. Guess what? I'm

9:02

doing it.

9:03

It's doing it. It's that simple.

9:04

Yep. Yeah. And it's, so it

9:06

was a, you know, it's a great time. And again,

9:09

I think it goes back to if

9:12

we take responsibility for

9:14

the things that we, you know, of

9:17

our life. You know, if we take responsibility,

9:19

the good, the bad, it's like everything

9:22

that happens to me, if I, if I'm driving to work and I

9:24

get in an accident, that's my fault. You

9:26

know what? I could have left five minutes earlier.

9:30

I could, there's so many things I could have done to

9:32

not be in that accident. So I

9:34

might not have caused the accident, but it's

9:36

my fault that I'm in that accident. And it's like, once

9:39

you get to that level of taking full responsibility,

9:42

things start changing.

9:43

Sean, I want to ask you a question. I want

9:46

to hear about the

9:49

shift that you just mentioned from 15

9:52

homeless, moving 17

9:55

girlfriend pregnant, having a

9:57

child to 28, selling your first tech company.

10:01

Do you remember, was there a moment in time

10:03

that you had to make a choice? Like you had to make a

10:05

choice of I am going to change my mindset

10:08

or was it more

10:10

of a process for you over time?

10:12

If you think back to those times, because that's a remarkable.

10:15

That's a remarkable transformation. Like,

10:18

was there, I guess my question really is,

10:20

was there a specific moment that you know

10:22

of, that had you go,

10:25

Ooh, this is, this is it. Like, this is the thing.

10:27

Yeah. And it, so, I, yeah, there was

10:29

definitely the moment, and that was the moment

10:32

that my son was born. The

10:34

very second he was born. That's what, it was like,

10:36

okay. Do or die. You

10:38

got to do this now. So that was the

10:40

very second that it that it happened. But

10:42

what I teach and what I've learned since then is

10:44

it doesn't have to be a life

10:47

altering thing to get that clarity

10:49

on what you want. Mine

10:51

was a point where it's like you had to, there

10:54

was no other choice. It was either you give

10:56

up or you, you make the decision

10:58

and you go. And it's like, but we don't have

11:00

to be there. And that's the whole thing that, you know, part of what I teach

11:02

is you can make the decision on what

11:04

you want without hitting rock

11:06

bottom, without having to make it

11:08

without putting yourself in a situation where it is

11:10

do or die, but in your mind, if you

11:13

make, if you make your idea, your

11:15

baby, your goal, your, this thing that you're trying

11:17

to create as do or die, you're

11:20

going to do it. It's like if

11:22

my life that I want is a kid,

11:26

and I treat it like a kid, I feed it, I

11:28

nurture it, I do everything I can

11:30

to grow that kid, it's

11:32

the same thing. It is the exact

11:34

same thing.

11:35

Beautiful. So, you had, and

11:37

by the way, I just want to call out from getting to know you,

11:39

and Sean and I know each other, I think pretty well.

11:42

Your son is extremely

11:43

successful. He

11:46

can't tell me what he does, but he's, He can't tell

11:48

you, let's,

11:49

yeah. He's doing something

11:51

that's, that's really helpful for all of

11:53

us in the United States.

11:55

And, and I, he, he tells me,

11:57

Dad, I'll have to kill you if I tell you what I do, but yeah, so

11:59

he went and got his PhD in nuclear physics

12:01

and, and, you know, does something.

12:06

Oh, I don't know. I feel like he could probably

12:08

do something, just a PhD in nuclear physics

12:10

that, that I don't know. It doesn't seem that, it doesn't

12:12

seem that complicated to me. No, that's great.

12:15

Yeah. And, and, and. Looking

12:17

now at him, and I know you and Amy, and also,

12:20

you and Amy are married. So, your

12:23

son's, your son's mother has been your

12:25

wife for a long time. So looking at the

12:28

life that you two built together.

12:32

All started from that choice, when your

12:34

son was born, because you were not married at the time. No.

12:36

You had

12:37

I was actually So, one of the things that I did,

12:39

is probably the lowest thing I've ever done, was, when

12:42

my, when she was five months pregnant,

12:44

I, I said, you know what, fear

12:46

took over. And, and again, fear can mean two things,

12:49

F everything and run, or base everything

12:52

and rise. And at the time, I said F everything

12:54

and I ran. And I left. I literally

12:56

disappeared in the middle of the night. And the day

12:58

my son was born I knew it.

13:00

It's like something inside me is like, Sean,

13:03

your son's just born. So I went and called

13:05

my called my then, you know, ex

13:07

girlfriend, I guess you could say. I had, you know, left her when she was five

13:09

months pregnant. She wasn't exactly too

13:11

happy with me. So I went down to the

13:13

What? Shocking!

13:16

Isn't it shocking? So she wasn't too happy

13:19

with Oh, but it gets better. So,

13:21

again, I was Not doing very well financially.

13:24

I was living in places that at least I was

13:26

living in a place, but I didn't have phones. I didn't, you know, that costs

13:28

money. I didn't have, there's no

13:30

internet service. There's no cable TV. There's

13:32

no phone. So I walked down to a

13:34

pay phone and I call her collect. I

13:37

hear the operator Amy, collect

13:40

call from Sean Osborne. Do you accept? And

13:42

I could just see her face. Just that

13:45

am effort.

13:48

But she said yes, for some reason she said

13:50

yes, and it's like, it was

13:52

literally that moment that, that did it, but

13:54

yeah, it's,

13:56

yeah, well, I think there's a valuable lesson there

13:58

too, is being loved by that

14:00

special someone when you're almost

14:03

inarguably should be unlovable in that moment.

14:06

Oh yeah, yeah. Like that's an,

14:07

like, she had every right to say

14:09

this, this person is unlovable,

14:12

but she chose something different instead. So it's

14:14

beautiful.

14:14

Yeah, that's, so one thing she's.

14:17

For some reason she's always been able to see

14:19

something in me that I couldn't see so

14:21

even back when I was you know 17 Yeah,

14:24

I think that you know, that's why we're still married. It's got

14:26

36 years now. We're married 36

14:28

Yeah, seven years and we're married. It's like she

14:31

saw something that that I never could

14:34

Yeah. And I think we all need that. We, we need those

14:36

people around us, whether it's, you know, a support group,

14:39

whether it's family members or usually

14:41

family members aren't the best, but you know, whether someone.

14:44

A good boss. Yeah. Family members, arguably

14:47

my, yeah, that's a two,

14:49

that's a two way street. I would say.

14:52

Yeah. Yeah. So it's a, you

14:54

know, and the journey was a fantastic journey

14:56

and I think the, one of the most interesting things

14:59

that happened from. When I sold

15:01

the company and literally

15:03

why I do what I do today is

15:06

for probably a good five years

15:09

after I did that, I felt like a complete bake.

15:11

I literally felt like Sean,

15:14

that that's never gonna happen again to you. You were in

15:16

the right place at the right time. You know,

15:18

you didn't, I couldn't see. For

15:21

years that I actually created all

15:23

of that stuff. It was me. It was like I

15:26

brought those things together. It was ideas

15:28

that, you know, that I had working with people

15:30

back then, which was a, you know, we didn't call

15:32

it a mastermind, but I had a group of entrepreneur people

15:35

that I really looked up to and

15:37

I think I credit one of some of that to myself. Going

15:40

back then I knew that I couldn't do it by

15:42

myself And I so I had

15:44

back then what I called silent mentors It's like

15:46

I saw someone in business that

15:48

I really admired and

15:50

I befriended them. I did IT stuff

15:53

for them I did things for them to get close

15:55

to get in proximity of those people and

15:57

became friends with them I never got

15:59

money from but I learned I got the vibrations

16:02

from them. I got their attitudes I got there,

16:04

you know, I was able to get stuff from these

16:06

people And that was one of the biggest gifts

16:08

is like, again, to me, it's just like a mastermind.

16:11

I got around people that

16:13

were where I wanted to be. And I learned how I could

16:15

pick up the energy. From what they

16:17

have, I can act like if I acted

16:19

like them, you know, one of my mentors

16:21

was Jay Jean Claude and if I

16:23

could act like Jean Claude, I could

16:26

carry the same energy. I could literally walk

16:28

in the room with the same energy as Jean Claude.

16:30

And that's how I actually got venture capital for my

16:32

company. It's like I used the

16:35

acting of these people that I knew, like,

16:37

what would JC do in this situation?

16:39

He wouldn't come in scared. Yeah. He would come

16:41

in and he would own that damn room, right?

16:44

He would own it. Yeah. And it's like, so those

16:46

are the things that I picked up from the people that I had

16:48

for, I call them silent mentors or, you know,

16:50

again, it's like a mastermind group, but that's, that's

16:52

what I did. Very,

16:55

that's amazing Sean. Yeah. So for years I felt

16:57

like a fake and it's like, once

16:59

I learned that it was something that I created. Yeah.

17:02

That's something that is actually something that I

17:04

did. That's what started the whole UOS,

17:06

you know, the U operating system on how we operate

17:09

to me, there's a way that our

17:11

brain operates you know, through

17:13

triggers and through associations. I mean, there's a scientific

17:17

way that our brain operates.

17:19

And if you know, the operating system. You

17:22

can start using it to your advantage. You can put in

17:24

whatever programs that you want. It's

17:26

literally like downloading a new program to a phone.

17:28

It's like, if I want to start doing

17:30

this, if I want to start acting

17:32

like Excel, well, I can download Excel and I can

17:34

start operating Excel. And

17:36

that's the whole UOS thing. It's like, and that's

17:39

what really drove that. It's like, okay,

17:41

if I did create it and

17:43

it wasn't luck. Then how

17:46

the hell did I do that? Cause people

17:48

would ask me like, Sean, how, how do you go

17:50

from literally homeless to

17:52

selling a multimillion dollar tech company

17:55

in 10 years? It's like, I don't

17:57

know. You just do it. And it's like, so I really,

18:00

you just do it. And so I really had to go back

18:02

and re engineer

18:05

from a mindset level on what

18:07

it took to do that. And that's really what the

18:09

UOS book is about is about how

18:12

you reprogram yourself for

18:14

success and whatever success

18:16

means to you. You know, for me, success is

18:18

being healthy. Being financially

18:21

capable to do what I want and having the time, freedom

18:23

to travel and be with whoever I want to be whenever

18:25

I want to be there. Yeah. To me that, to me

18:27

that is, is wealthy. Yeah.

18:29

Not just

18:30

money. No, absolutely. So I want

18:32

to ask about, as

18:35

we go into the UOS thing,

18:38

getting present to it, I want to ask

18:40

about the conscious versus the

18:42

subconscious. If

18:45

I'm not mistaken, and you probably

18:47

have a better output GPT

18:50

or both technology people is.

18:54

I believe that the general science

18:56

of neurology and brain neurology

18:59

and brain science specifically is

19:01

that we are conscious

19:03

of about 5 percent of

19:05

our brain and the other 95 percent is,

19:07

is it's something along the lines of 5%, right?

19:10

If that, I mean, it's, yeah. If

19:11

that, yeah. It's, yeah. Obviously there's

19:14

lots of, there's lots of studies on we

19:16

only use 10 percent of our capacity, all of

19:18

those things. And I'm talking about you

19:20

and I are here. We are intentionally here.

19:22

These choices that we're making, these conversations we're

19:24

having is about 5%. And

19:26

the other 95 percent of our brain at all times

19:29

is doing its own thing.

19:31

And it's actually a lot bigger than that. It's

19:33

the difference is much bigger than that. And I

19:35

don't have the actual data,

19:37

but it's in, you know, to my book on how, how much data

19:39

that our brains are processing, our brains, the

19:42

conscious and subconscious. And

19:44

the. Conscious, the subconscious mind is

19:46

generating over a hundred,

19:48

over a million percent more

19:51

data than our

19:53

conscious mind. So if I have a

19:55

thumb drive, so if I have, let's

19:57

say this is a thumb drive, right? And

19:59

it took an entire lifetime

20:01

to fill this with all my conscious

20:04

data that I'm processing. I would be

20:06

filling the same thing every minute.

20:08

With my subconscious mind. So that's how much

20:11

crazy going on back there. And to me, so

20:13

for me, the subconscious mind is not a thing.

20:15

It, it is you. It is. Every cell of your

20:17

body is part of your subconscious.

20:20

It's like, Mm-Hmm. They're operating on their own.

20:22

For instance, have you ever been driving

20:25

and almost in an accident and before

20:27

you consciously knew what was going on, you had already hit

20:29

your brakes and swerved. Sure. Yeah.

20:31

That's your, that's your subconscious, which

20:34

is in every cell of your body before you

20:36

can even consciously say, Oh shit, something's about to happen.

20:38

It's like, yeah, there's so much going on in

20:40

our subconscious that we can't

20:43

even fathom, but we can tap into

20:45

and we can program it to do the things that we want to do.

20:47

It's just, we talked about driving. It's just like

20:49

when you first started driving a car, it

20:53

was consciously tiring. Oh

20:55

yeah. Like it was tiring to go, you know,

20:57

drive I've got to shift gears, I've got to clutch, I've got,

20:59

you know, brakes, I've got, you know, all these mirrors I've got. It

21:01

was literally tiring. And within three

21:03

or four months, you turn that entire

21:06

program over to your subconscious mind. And

21:08

there's days that you get to work and it's like, I don't

21:11

remember even getting here. I don't remember how I

21:13

got here. For sure. But you, you, you turn that over to

21:15

your subconscious mind and it's very efficient at

21:17

doing that kind of stuff. Yeah. So it's like, what

21:19

can we turn over to our subconscious mind? So

21:22

what are,

21:23

what are some of the things? I'd

21:27

like to hear from you and

21:30

potentially what people listening,

21:33

I'd love to hear specifically for you, what

21:35

have you learned to turn over to your subconscious mind

21:37

that was in the way for you before? And

21:39

what are some other things with people that you've coached, people

21:42

that you have taken to your programs

21:44

have learned about themselves in terms

21:46

of the UOS inside of the UOS container?

21:50

So there's many things to, to

21:52

look at as a general, just

21:54

kind of a general thing. I am a

21:56

big believer that. Thoughts

21:58

become things and what we put

22:00

out to the universe is what we get back,

22:03

right? We get that back It's and again, we

22:05

we've talked about this But you hear people like,

22:08

you know Jim Rohn you become the average of the five people

22:10

you hang out with or there's proximity and power

22:12

all these people talk about this But that

22:14

all goes back to being

22:17

around those those people in that energy

22:19

and I think that You

22:22

can, there's things

22:24

going on within us.

22:26

One of the things that I talk about is mirror neurons.

22:28

So if you want to get into out of the, the

22:30

woo woo side of things and into the science

22:32

type of things, there's science

22:34

behind why we become the average of the people that

22:36

we hang out with. Absolutely. Yeah. And

22:39

we have these things called mirror neurons

22:41

and. Anytime you are watching

22:43

anybody or anything do anything, you

22:46

are simultaneously reenacting

22:49

that in your own, in your own nervous

22:51

system, not, not just in your mind,

22:53

in your nervous system is feeling it just

22:55

as if you're the one doing it yourselves.

22:58

Absolutely. You know, that's the science behind

23:00

why getting around these

23:02

people. is important. Your

23:05

body is when, when you are around

23:07

someone who experiences a great success,

23:10

your body experiences it as if you

23:12

just did that same success. Absolutely.

23:14

So there's, there's science reasons why we want

23:17

to, you know, that's neuroplasticity. It's like,

23:19

there's reasons why we want to get around those

23:21

people and do those things. That's just one reason why

23:23

you know, the, the OS on, on how you start

23:25

programming. to change,

23:27

to make changes. You know, the first thing is get around people who

23:30

who are where you want to be. You know, it's like, if you want

23:32

to be a, you know, a,

23:34

a chef at a, at a you know, Michelin star

23:36

restaurant, cooking burgers

23:38

out back with your buddy next door, you know,

23:41

from an Oscar Meyer recipe

23:43

is not going to get you where you want to go.

23:45

You got to get around the people you

23:48

got to get around other people who are doing that, you know, buy their

23:50

books, watch their, you know, watch their

23:52

videos, whatever it is, get around that energy.

23:55

That's where you learn how to become a Michelin

23:57

star chef. And it's not just the technique. It is literally

23:59

the, the energy and the vibration of those people

24:02

that makes them who they are. Yeah.

24:05

Yeah. I love the concept of mirror neurons. We talk

24:07

about this at one of the places I do a lot

24:09

of training for in the really

24:11

specifically in the context of communications,

24:14

but. Mirror

24:16

neurons are fascinating.

24:20

According to the science that I've read, it's

24:22

why we like horror movies and thriller movies.

24:24

It's why we watch, I always use, I watch

24:26

Tom Cruise jump off the Burj in,

24:29

in Dubai. I don't want

24:31

to do that. You might want to do that. I don't

24:34

actually want to do that. But in, but in some

24:36

part of our body, we feel like we're experiencing it.

24:38

We see people doing these things.

24:40

And how this relates back to,

24:42

like, the five people, but also as communicators,

24:45

as speakers. You go and you see a speaker

24:47

who owns the stage. You

24:49

are naturally going to feel more confident. If

24:52

you think about it, this

24:54

is a little bit of my soapbox, but I love this. Most

24:56

of the time, when you go see a great speaker,

24:59

or you take a great course, or you work with a great

25:01

coach, Most people don't feel

25:03

worse after doing that. They generally will feel

25:05

better even if they go, they might, and I

25:07

know, and I'm gonna speak just for myself here, I

25:10

might go and see a keynote speaker, wow, they're so

25:12

good. But I generally don't relate

25:14

to myself as worse, I relate to myself as

25:16

like, oh, I'm confident and how

25:19

can I be as good? Not

25:22

the opposite of that. The mirror neurons is a fascinating

25:25

thing. We, we train on

25:27

this, and do you know how they discovered

25:29

mirror neurons? How the mirror neurons were discovered?

25:32

Well, I,

25:32

I don't know how they were discovered. I know that, that,

25:34

you know, science is looking at them more from

25:36

the standpoint of this is how we

25:38

have empathy for people. I know this is, they've tied

25:40

this back to, you know, when you feel when

25:43

someone stubs their toe and you get that twitch,

25:45

it's like you, you know, that's the mirror neurons, you

25:47

know, in your, in your own neural network,

25:49

you felt that just as if you had stubbed

25:51

your own toe.

25:53

The, the way that I research mirror

25:55

neurons and for anybody listening, it's a great

25:57

topic. In business, in

25:59

sales, mirror neurons is huge

26:01

in sales, like what's going on with your buyers,

26:04

is that they did a study in Italy

26:06

on monkeys, it was a humane study, monkeys

26:09

were injured, but it was something about

26:12

watching monkeys grab bananas, and

26:15

then they took the bananas away and they started

26:17

doing something and the monkeys still kept grabbing at imaginary

26:19

bananas and what they came to discover is

26:21

that mirror neurons, the concept is that mammals

26:24

mimic the emotions of each other, and

26:27

it can cross species. So, for anybody

26:29

who has a dog You know that looking at

26:31

a dog confidently can have that dog be confident, or like

26:33

the dogs will give empathy. Dogs and cats

26:35

are great examples of this, but I love the concept

26:37

of mirror neurons, and it's, it's, when

26:40

you walk around and know that that's

26:42

happening, Subconsciously, that's a huge,

26:45

that's a huge, I call that, that's a cheat code.

26:47

Yeah. I mean this isn't neuro linguistic programming,

26:50

a lot of it is about mere neurons.

26:52

Yes, it is. And it's like, you

26:54

know, and so one of the frameworks

26:56

that I teach in, in the book is acting

26:58

big. And that's kind of what I did when I went into these,

27:01

you know, venture capitalists. It's like, I was acting big.

27:03

I was matching their energy. And

27:06

it was all in the book. Based on mirror neurons.

27:08

It's all you know, it's it's learning how to

27:12

Do that yourself to become

27:14

that and so so here's like here's

27:16

another thing that I would do One of the things I noticed

27:18

is one of my mentors would always tip

27:20

really big and smile

27:23

Like we would go out to a business lunch and he would type

27:25

it like a 50 percent tip and smile and I

27:28

will You wouldn't say but it's like well, luckily I've got

27:30

plenty of money Yeah, that's great. And,

27:32

and, and I thought, okay, well, what

27:34

if, what if I acted that way? So

27:36

every time since then, every time I go out to

27:38

dinner, I will always add a much

27:41

bigger tip and think to myself, luckily

27:43

I've got plenty of money and smile from

27:46

a neurological standpoint. I've just used

27:48

mirror neurons. I've just used, basically

27:50

I've taken my own technology that I have

27:52

and I've used it for me rather than against

27:55

me. Now, had I said, God, 10

27:57

percent Oh, 20 percent who I'm

28:00

literally sitting myself, setting myself up

28:02

for scarcity. Yeah.

28:04

From a, from a logical level, you're

28:06

setting yourself up. So it's like, how can you act

28:09

that energy rather than

28:11

just, you know, people talk about, you know, doing

28:13

affirmations and vision boards. Those

28:16

are powerful, but when you actually act

28:18

it and feel it in your nervous system it is

28:20

a lot more powerful. And that's what,

28:22

you know, and that's what that whole acting big framework

28:24

does is it teaches you how to, and

28:26

once you embody that, It

28:29

becomes a part of you. That's how you reprogram

28:31

your nervous system is by acting that

28:33

way, taking the action. It's,

28:35

it's a simple concept, but you're using mirror

28:37

neurons and you're taking action and you're, you're literally

28:40

not only seeing it, you're feeling

28:42

it. And that's when that becomes very powerful.

28:46

People listening, people listening

28:48

to us today, leaders of people,

28:51

people that are in obviously their own

28:53

journey. That

28:56

all sounds, and I talk to a lot

28:58

of people, they go, that makes sense,

29:00

intellectually. That

29:03

sounds great, Sean, but I'm over

29:05

here, and I'm just not feeling confident. I've

29:07

gotten laid off, or I'm having challenges with

29:09

X, Y, and Z. My

29:11

challenge, not my challenge, my question for

29:13

you, Sean, for everybody listening is, People,

29:16

people intellectually get that. I think most people

29:18

intellectually get this. But the block

29:21

is, Either they don't know how,

29:23

or they're just not feeling confident.

29:26

So when you're coaching somebody and they come in, they go, Hey, I want

29:28

to work with you. What's

29:31

the first thing you have people do

29:33

to start the journey to,

29:37

I don't know if it's optimizing, but to really, I

29:40

think everything that you do, and I think most coaches

29:42

is our job is to help people achieve

29:45

what they don't believe possible themselves generally.

29:49

What's the first thing that you say to somebody,

29:51

if I came to you and I said, Hey, Sean, I want to work with you.

29:53

You know, it all sounds great. I really want to have an

29:55

abundance mindset. I want all these things. But

29:58

man, I'm just feeling, I'm just not in

30:00

a good place. What's the first thing you have people do?

30:02

Well, first I would say, Jason, here's a Kleenex.

30:05

Take a moment. Yeah.

30:06

Get it all out. Take a nap. Take a Kleenex.

30:08

Take a nap. Come back.

30:09

Get it all out. Get it all out. And then come back

30:12

and we'll get this, we'll get this show started. So

30:14

the biggest thing is we have to be able to see

30:17

outside of our current experiences. And

30:19

that is the hardest thing to do. It's like if

30:21

you're in the mail room of a company, it's

30:23

hard to try to look

30:25

at the world like the CEO. If

30:27

you are, you know, 350

30:30

pounds on a scale and you want to be,

30:32

you know, 180 pounds, it's hard to envision

30:35

healthy. You don't envision healthy,

30:37

but until you envision those. You'll

30:40

never gonna, you're never going to get them until you can see it

30:42

in your mind. You're never going to have it in

30:44

reality. It all starts with the mind. It all

30:46

starts with ideas. It all starts with what's

30:48

in here to get out there. So until

30:50

you can envision outside of your current

30:52

experiences, you won't get there. And

30:55

so here's, here's an example. Let's

30:58

say you're married and your

31:00

relationship is not going well. That

31:03

well, it's not bad, but it's not great. It's like,

31:05

you know, when you come home from work, your

31:07

wife's on the couch or whatever, and it's like, Hey,

31:09

I'm home. And it's like, no

31:12

love. Like she doesn't run up and jump in your

31:14

arms and say, Oh my God, I'm so

31:16

happy to see you. I'm how was your day?

31:18

All this stuff. Right. You're going to,

31:20

but if you, Set your mindset.

31:23

If you started acting big and said, you know what, I'm

31:25

going to come home as if I

31:28

know my wife is going to run and jump in

31:30

my arms, tell me how much she

31:32

loves me. I guarantee

31:34

you show up different. Your

31:36

energy when you walk in the door is different.

31:39

She might not do that. Right. But

31:41

the energy show eventually that will happen.

31:43

Right. When you show up that way, when

31:45

you act differently, when you bring that energy

31:48

to the table, when you walk through that door,

31:50

she's going to notice the energy is different. You

31:52

don't have to say anything. You don't have to do anything. But by

31:55

Acting, you put on those glasses of my

31:57

wife is gonna jump in my arms. She's gonna tell me

31:59

how much she loves me How much she appreciates me

32:01

Welcome home Whatever it is

32:04

when you come home and you you bring that

32:06

energy you act that person They

32:08

will notice and it's like but

32:10

until in it and it's hard to do that if

32:12

that's not what's happening But you have to see outside

32:15

of your current experiences. You

32:18

said something

32:18

there. It's really powerful and

32:21

it struck me What

32:23

what struck me is? You What

32:26

you just described, you can't work

32:28

your way into that. It's not

32:30

a how to, it's not a,

32:33

let me teach you a course. It is a something

32:36

that, that is, that

32:38

is an inside job. And it's

32:40

action. And it's action, and

32:43

it's an inside job, and

32:46

you have to make a choice. The

32:48

big thing there is, you have to make a choice.

32:52

And I say this because, and

32:54

I know you and I are aligned on, on

32:58

like the coaching frameworks around, It's

33:01

not really what you do, it's how you

33:03

show up. You can't

33:05

work your way into it, you can't, you

33:07

can't outwork it. You can't, that's not

33:09

a thing you can outwork, that's not a thing that you can

33:11

put a six step framework to getting

33:13

more of that, you just have to make a choice.

33:16

Yeah. So I wanna go next into, what

33:18

I'm getting curious about is the

33:21

therapeutic side of this. I'm

33:23

gonna get a little, hopefully get a little challenging conversation

33:26

in a good way for both of us. Again,

33:29

it all sounds great. We

33:31

know that people come with all

33:33

sorts of trauma and

33:36

by trauma I mean they got fired

33:38

from a job. They had a boss who was cruel.

33:40

They had parents who were cruel. They've gone through divorce,

33:43

whatever the thing is, and they show

33:45

up and they say I'm ready to make a change. But

33:48

they have past based trauma. Now we're talking about more therapeutic

33:51

work. What's the,

33:56

and, and for me, and I think you're an ethical

33:58

coach as well, One of the things

34:00

that you run into as a coach, and I don't know if you've worked

34:02

with clients like this, I know I have, is

34:04

you can't get past it. A

34:07

lot of times it's a self worth thing. I'm

34:09

not worthy of making that choice for myself. I'm

34:11

not worthy of the love. How do you, how

34:13

do you advise people listening who might identify

34:16

with that, or clients you've worked with And

34:18

they, they're not, they either are, it's

34:20

not that they're unwilling to choose outside of their current

34:23

circumstances. They literally don't know how

34:25

because there's a therapeutic block there. Right.

34:28

And that's kind of what I teach is how you get past

34:30

that. But to start, one thing

34:32

I always talk to

34:34

my clients about is I'm here.

34:36

from today, moving forward. I'm

34:39

not here from today moving backwards. I'm

34:41

not a psychologist. Yeah, it's

34:44

therapy. That's not what I'm here for. So

34:46

there, you, you might need both. There's, there's

34:48

clients that's like, you need, you need to go to therapy

34:50

and you need to get some of this stuff. You need to work

34:52

through some of this stuff just for you, just to get,

34:55

get past some of this stuff. So I'm

34:57

here for moving forward today. And

34:59

I can tell you that regardless of

35:01

whether you believe you're worthy or not,

35:03

you're not. If, even if it's for

35:05

a minute a day, five minutes a day, you

35:07

can act, that's the, that's

35:10

the beautiful thing. And so here's where, here's

35:12

where to me, the most important asset we

35:14

have as a human being is our

35:16

imagination, our creativity

35:19

and imagination. This, that is what separates us

35:21

from. Everything else, every

35:23

other creature is, we have the ability to imagine.

35:26

So if for five minutes a day, you can imagine

35:28

what it would be like to not

35:31

be, to, to be outside of your area,

35:33

right? If you can just imagine it, get

35:35

into that energy. That's all it takes.

35:37

It's a slow, it's a slow process, but you that

35:40

imagine what, what would it be like

35:42

if you didn't have those limiting beliefs act

35:44

as if, what would it look like? What

35:46

would it be? What would it do? You know? And one of the things that

35:48

I take people through is what I call remember

35:51

your future. And it's like, you're going to build

35:53

a memory of your future and it's an

35:55

exercise I haven't go through that

35:57

is so vivid. You know, everything that

35:59

is going on in that day, the day it is, the

36:01

what's, what it smells like. You're literally

36:04

as if it was a memory of the past

36:06

and you're building that. Wow. That's powerful.

36:09

That's so cool. That's one

36:11

of the, one

36:13

of the things that President Obama,

36:16

in one of his books, I don't remember what it was, Nate,

36:19

not getting, there's nothing about politics here,

36:21

but just, he's known, he's a very confident individual.

36:23

He brings a lot of, a lot of gravitas.

36:25

I think everybody would agree with that regardless. Yep. And

36:28

I think one of the things they asked him is, How

36:30

did you go from being a junior senator being the president

36:32

and how, when you're in a room with these lifelong

36:35

politicians, et cetera, and he was, what, 46

36:38

or whatever when he became president or something

36:40

like that, he said, I had to act as if.

36:43

That's exactly what it is. Act as if. That's powerful.

36:45

Act as if I am

36:48

the president or act, act as if I

36:51

am that powerful leader who has to have tough conversations.

36:54

And I will say from coaching

36:57

a lot of folks who have are

36:59

in pretty influential positions just

37:02

like you do, that's what

37:04

they do too. Yeah. Cause they come

37:06

to my session. Well, they come to my session.

37:08

They come to your session. They go, God, that felt horrible. I

37:11

felt like a fraud. I felt like an imposter. Like you said.

37:13

But I had to ask, act as if,

37:16

which is such

37:19

a powerful, such a powerful

37:21

mindset to be is like, what would it

37:23

be like if I was a podcaster

37:26

with a million listeners for this episode? How would I

37:28

run this episode different than how

37:30

it's not? That's amazing.

37:32

And it's like, when I would go to investors, that's exactly

37:34

what I did because it took, it was trial and error.

37:36

There was, I went to a lot of investors that did not

37:38

give me money. Right. And that's when I came

37:40

to, to learn it's like, they

37:43

would feel my energy before I even sat down. It's

37:46

like, they didn't even have to talk to me, right?

37:48

They did not even, they knew before I even

37:50

sat down and listen, I looked like I came out

37:52

of GQ or Wolf of Wall

37:54

Street. I mean, I had this, you know, 2,

37:56

000 suit that the Hartman briefcase, remember

37:58

the Hartman back in the, that was the, that was the, that

38:00

was the shit back then. All of them had a Hartman. So I had a

38:03

Hartman. It's like, but they read my energy before

38:05

I even sat down. It's like, until I learned

38:07

to act as

38:09

one of them until they

38:11

saw me as an equal, they

38:13

were never going to give me money for my

38:15

company. Mirror neurons. Yeah.

38:19

Until, you know, you have to

38:21

act as if, and again, whether it's in

38:23

your relationships, whether it's in, find

38:25

out where you want to be and act as if that's

38:28

what's already there. Your energy will shift.

38:30

Yeah. That's cool, Sean. Well, let's talk

38:32

about, I have a, I have a couple of

38:34

get to know you questions here at the end. But before we do that.

38:37

Just to give you, just to let

38:39

everybody know what we're talking about. Sean

38:41

is in the midst of writing his book on the

38:44

U. O. S. Sean coaches

38:46

people on these things today. The book

38:49

is already inside of you. You're not inventing anything new. You're

38:51

just getting out externally what's already, what you've been

38:53

teaching people and coaching people on for years. Sean

38:55

is also a prolific podcaster.

38:58

He's got a Thinking Big podcast. And

39:01

I want to talk for a minute about a couple

39:03

of the things that you've done and that

39:07

I really admire from a results

39:09

perspective. Number

39:11

one, you've grown

39:13

a really big audience,

39:15

both on your podcast and in your

39:17

email list, in a space that

39:20

a lot of people try and

39:23

don't, and in a space where

39:25

there are a lot of people who will teach

39:28

you how to do it, and

39:30

you have done it yourself.

39:33

So let's talk a little bit about that. That's a really interesting

39:36

topic because I, to me, this directly

39:38

relates to what we just talked about, is

39:41

Yes, there are some how to's,

39:44

but my impression of you, Sean, this has all been a mindset

39:46

thing for you. You decided to do these things. And

39:49

it was a mindset. So let's talk a little bit

39:51

about that before we wrap up for today.

39:53

Sure. And it's like, so one of the things that I've done

39:55

over the past couple years is I've built a very large

39:58

subscriber list of people. My

40:00

community, my followers, my family.

40:03

I truly think of them as my family.

40:05

And it's getting to be pretty large. I mean, it's over

40:07

100k. I mean, it's a large thing. And

40:10

it's like people will ask me, okay,

40:12

well, how did you build that list? And it's like, it

40:15

goes back to the same thing that it's

40:17

still the gift that keeps on giving from

40:19

being homeless and being back where I was, because I

40:22

look at it as like, I'm too stupid to fail.

40:25

I, yeah, I'm just, I'm,

40:28

I'm too stupid to fail. It's like, I

40:30

talked to people now that the list is big and they're like,

40:33

you don't just do that. How do you do that? And I'm like, and

40:35

it goes back to, again, too stupid. It's like someone

40:38

said, and I think it might've even been Mike, or it's

40:40

actually a combination of people in my last

40:42

company. It's like, I knew the way that I wanted to go

40:45

is I had to have a big list to, To get

40:47

my company where I want it to operate the way I wanted

40:49

to do. And I just started

40:51

building the list trial and error, doing things

40:54

opt ins, free things. All I

40:56

tried thousands of things

40:58

to build the list and what works, what doesn't. And

41:00

you just trial and error and you you get better at it

41:02

and you, but it's all from taking action. It

41:04

wasn't from reading a book on how to build, grow

41:06

your list. It wasn't on a course. It wasn't on

41:08

a, you know, it's just, Again, it's

41:11

taking action. I didn't put a limit on myself

41:13

saying, well, you, you shouldn't be

41:15

able to grow a list that big. I never,

41:18

never even crossed my mind that I shouldn't be able to grow

41:20

a list and just trial and

41:22

action, taking, taking the action

41:24

to build it and growing from there. And

41:26

that's how you, that's how you

41:28

do anything. I really believe that's how you

41:30

do anything. Yeah.

41:32

Well, something you just mentioned there that

41:36

is so powerful. And

41:38

I have some of this, but not nearly as much as

41:40

you, is you have a unique combination

41:43

of things. You're

41:46

unwilling, sorry,

41:48

you're willing to iterate and

41:50

test. So

41:53

many people let perfection get in the way of

41:55

progress. And you are willing

41:57

to take action before you feel ready to do so.

42:00

Before, before you're like, Oh, I'm

42:02

feeling ready. No, you just go do it. And

42:05

that combination is magic, in my

42:07

opinion, whether it be in business, in life.

42:09

It's magic. Anything we're doing, but especially in the kind

42:11

of work we do where we're building our own thing.

42:13

You just have to get out there and you just have to do it and you have

42:16

to see what resonates. And there's so

42:19

I feel bad because there's so many folks that I know

42:21

that could be so much further along,

42:23

myself included, if I just went out

42:25

and did the thing that I know I should do, without

42:27

worrying so much about how it makes me feel or whether

42:29

it's good enough or not.

42:31

Action builds clarity. I mean, people

42:34

will come to me and they'll say, I don't know what to do. We'll

42:36

start taking action. Cause you'll learn very

42:38

quickly what you'll get the clarity

42:40

on what you need to do. It's, it's all about taking a,

42:42

you know, taking the action. And it's like, if I

42:44

didn't do that, I would still be where I was.

42:46

I'd still be on the streets. If I didn't

42:49

just, if I waited until I was ready. Seriously,

42:51

I would still be on the

42:53

streets. I would never be ready. It's

42:56

like people who are having kids. It's like, you're never

42:58

ready to have kids. No, there's

43:00

no manuals. There's no, it's

43:02

trial and error. You know what? You have a kid and it's

43:05

either going to survive or it's not. It's like your job

43:08

is to, you know, so you learn

43:10

quick. You iterate. You're like, Oh, this is how you change a diaper.

43:12

Oh, this is how you do

43:14

it. Yeah.

43:16

It's been done billions and billions and billions and

43:18

billions of times, and yet there's no actual manual

43:20

for it, which is so fascinating. So,

43:22

Sean, I want to ask you a couple of get

43:24

to know you questions here. As we wrap.

43:27

So the first one is I want to ask

43:29

you what's something that you're afraid might be

43:31

true

43:31

about you. Ooh,

43:34

afraid that I'm, oh,

43:36

is this an X rated show or is this a,

43:40

it can be explicit. Yes,

43:43

absolutely. I

43:46

think

43:48

possibly that I might have

43:50

the ability to do some of the things that people think I can

43:52

do. And I think that, that, It

43:55

scares me. It's like, I, again, it's that, it goes

43:57

back to that you know, I don't think I'm

43:59

very good at anything. It's like, I, I'm still,

44:02

I always still picture myself as the smallest fish

44:04

in the pond no matter what pond I'm in.

44:06

Yeah. So then what do

44:08

you do to compensate for that fear?

44:12

Keep learning. I continually

44:14

learn. I continually grow. I continually

44:17

do things to push myself

44:19

further and further. It's like, I, I'm never

44:21

still with who

44:24

I am. Always growing, always pushing.

44:27

Yeah,

44:27

I would, I would also say another

44:31

thing that you do, my experience of you is you're

44:34

constantly out to prove that you're not the small fish,

44:36

but then you never accept, like it's like a constant

44:38

cycle. And I mean this in a really positive

44:41

way. I've asked, I've asked this question

44:43

of 150 some people and everybody's got a

44:45

way they compensate for that fear in

44:47

the way they show up in the world. And it's really fascinating

44:50

when you think about, I'll offer this

44:52

to the audience. When you run into people

44:54

that are really challenging in your life.

44:57

Like Sean, for example. I'm kidding. I don't

44:59

find Sean. I don't find I don't find Sean challenging.

45:01

We're both Scorpio. So we see

45:03

eye to eye. We understand. Variety of things. We, we understand

45:05

each other. But it's like, hey, who's that

45:07

person at work that's really triggering for you?

45:10

And it just, they just feel like an asshole. Like, hey, like,

45:12

what are they compensating for? Cause

45:14

they're compensating for something. So I offer

45:17

that as, as just for everybody

45:19

listening, like who that person might be.

45:21

And. The grace,

45:24

the grace to be like, oh yeah, I, I, my operating

45:26

system back to the OS works

45:28

this way because of this and

45:31

you knowing that is powerful because you go, hey,

45:33

that's I get positive

45:35

outcomes. I want to keep using that thing, even though it comes

45:37

from a place that maybe isn't

45:39

considered perfect or whatever. And then this, so the

45:42

second question, the last question I have for you is, how

45:44

do you see the world?

45:47

As wide open, fully abundant

45:49

for anybody and everybody to take whatever

45:52

the hell they want. There

45:54

is absolutely no scarcity. It is, there

45:56

is, it is ever

45:58

changing, ever growing, more

46:00

abundant than we could ever even imagine.

46:03

Whatever you can dream or whatever you, whatever

46:05

you want, whatever your success is, it's there.

46:09

It's there. Just get it. Just take

46:11

the action and get it. It's like, there's no

46:13

scarcity. It's 100 percent open and

46:15

abundant.

46:17

So if you think back to 17

46:19

year old Sean, or 15

46:22

year old Sean, still, still in drugs,

46:24

leave home, can you imagine, could you have

46:26

imagined yourself sitting at a podcast with a

46:28

bunch of people listening and saying that

46:30

as a worldview?

46:32

Yes. And I say that because

46:35

once that switch hit, I knew not,

46:37

obviously not a podcast, not that stuff, but I knew,

46:41

I knew for a fact that once I

46:43

made that decision that my

46:45

life was going to be the way I wanted it. And

46:48

until we see it in our eye and our

46:50

mind, we'll never have it. So you've got to be there

46:53

before that. No, it was very limiting, very,

46:55

very scarce, very very much

46:58

a screw

47:01

you. I'll get what I,

47:03

I'm going to take what I can take. Because

47:05

that's kind of the environment I grew up in. It's like,

47:07

you know, it's, it's a, it's a do or die. It's you're

47:09

in, this is an all for you world. And I'm going

47:11

to get whatever I can go and scavenge and get. And

47:14

when I take something from, if I

47:16

get something of value, that's because I took it away from

47:18

you, Jason.

47:19

Yeah. So like literally scarce,

47:21

like they're not an abundance mindset

47:24

of like, if I want something, it's there.

47:27

Well, Sean, I want to thank you so much for

47:29

being on, for sharing a little bit of your, a lot

47:32

of your story with us for your vulnerability. for

47:34

the work you're doing in the world. Can't wait for your book

47:36

to come out so I can read it. I know it's, it's on the way.

47:39

Keep doing the good things in your podcast. Appreciate your friendship,

47:41

brother. And just, Really fortunate

47:43

to have you on today.

47:44

Thank you so much. It was amazing. Thank

47:46

you so much for for having me on the show.

47:49

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