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Okay, can we talk about your glasses real quick?

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Yeah?

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I like that.

0:26

It's cool.

0:27

I fuck it, it is hot.

0:30

Are you seeing purple? Yeah?

0:32

It looks crazy.

0:33

Yeah, your glasses, the purple sunglasses

0:36

you're wearing with purple shades. Are

0:38

you seeing nothing but purple or what?

0:40

Yeah? It looks like a party in here.

0:41

That sounds inconvenient.

0:43

No, it's nice. Everything looks better.

0:46

I feel like that. Like if you wore that for a day, it'd

0:48

fuck you up a little.

0:49

Bit, maybe, but right,

0:51

don't knock until you try it. You get you have

0:53

to put these on?

0:54

Where did you get those? A gas station?

0:57

You know?

0:58

I had my uh, I have my secrets,

1:01

my fashionable places

1:03

I shop at.

1:04

I really hope that you just went on Amazon and typed

1:06

in purple sunglasses and

1:09

like consciously ordered those.

1:11

A little bit of that you did?

1:13

You did you're like, you're nodding, like

1:15

fuck, I did do that.

1:16

That's halfway that.

1:18

I got an ad on Instagram

1:20

for colored sunglasses and they were like fifty

1:23

dollars, and I was like, well, these are pretty,

1:25

Mimi, I don't know if I want to write rock

1:27

a meme for fifty dollars.

1:29

Nah.

1:30

So of course I searched Amazon and found

1:32

some for like twelve bucks.

1:34

Nice. It's probably the same exact like

1:36

its manufacturer.

1:38

Yeah, today's guest guess

1:41

SISA, because there's two guests today.

1:43

Wait, let me let me guess who they are. Are they

1:46

both men? Nope,

1:49

there's one a man. Nope,

1:52

Mmm, they're both

1:54

women. Okay, I

1:57

was just getting closed.

1:58

They're actually they're both girls. Well

2:01

that's the name of their podcast. They're

2:03

definitely women, but their

2:05

podcast is called Two Girls, One

2:08

Ghost.

2:09

I know the video you're talking about, though.

2:11

You're talking about two Girls, one cup.

2:13

Bro, that's what that's who we interviewed.

2:16

Yeah, yeah, we interviewed the one

2:19

that pooped.

2:22

I think they all I kind

2:24

of realized that, I mean, that's definitely

2:26

from our generation. That's that's

2:28

a millennial, old dirty

2:31

video, early internet days, right,

2:33

Two Girls, One Cup? If those

2:35

listening do not know what that is. You

2:38

don't need to look it up to find out, but

2:41

you can. I'm sure it's still out there,

2:43

but it's this really gross video. It's

2:45

a lot of stuff going on. It's really bad. But

2:47

yeah, that definitely scarred me as a kid. That's

2:50

that's where they got the name from. It's a funny

2:52

little riff on two Girls, one cup.

2:54

I actually asked them about that in the interview.

2:57

They've been podcasting honestly about

2:59

as long as I have, which is seems

3:01

like an eternity at this point. I think they started

3:04

their podcast within the year

3:07

after Up and Vanished.

3:09

So early days

3:11

of podcasting.

3:13

The premise of their show is they

3:15

talk about ghosts, aliens,

3:18

and all things paranormal, and

3:20

they do really deep dive

3:22

research into these cases and they're

3:25

both hilarious and witty

3:28

and just to be

3:30

straight up with you, Sabrina,

3:33

one of the hosts is my girlfriend.

3:36

Grow Sicky.

3:38

You're gonna get cootiehew.

3:41

But during this interview we were

3:43

not dating yet.

3:46

This is actually from a while ago, and one

3:48

of the reasons I've kind of delayed

3:51

putting it out was to not make things

3:53

super weird. As we were, you know, getting

3:55

to know each other. But it's genuinely

3:58

a hilarious interview. Dylan

4:00

was there when we did it. We were in

4:03

Dallas and we had been at

4:05

some convention and we were

4:07

just exhausted from being in this

4:09

hotel for days. It's just

4:11

like a vacuum, this biodome.

4:14

And I texted Dylan. We were both just

4:17

chilling in our hotel rooms and I was like, Yo,

4:19

thoughts on moving to this

4:22

airbnb down the street right

4:24

now?

4:26

And Dylan was reluctant.

4:27

You were, but Dylan doesn't like

4:29

to leave places.

4:30

And I get it.

4:31

But the next thing you know, we're sitting on this patio

4:34

and we're watching a movie and

4:36

we're ordering candy and

4:38

we're just having a damn sleepover.

4:41

And it was awesome. But

4:43

the house that we stayed in was like this Barbie

4:46

house.

4:47

I guess it's for like bachelorette parties or something,

4:49

but it looks like a like a podcast

4:52

set. If you go to the YouTube channel and watch

4:54

the interview, Mike, I wish you could have seen

4:56

it because it was weird, Like.

4:58

Yeah, I wasn't there. I saw

5:00

the interview, though it's good. It's a really good interview

5:03

I thought was fun, especially the

5:05

interactive part. I gues it's not really interactive,

5:08

but you know what I mean, you know, I'm talking about.

5:10

The Yeah, yeah, Well I'll go ahead and just you

5:12

know, And I highly suggest if you

5:14

guys are enjoying the podcast and you do

5:16

want to see the visuals

5:19

of these interviews, you can just by

5:21

going to our YouTube channel.

5:23

Just search Talking Today.

5:24

Just go to YouTube and type

5:26

in talking to Death. It comes right up. But

5:29

in this interview, two Girls, One Ghost

5:31

is hosted by Sabrina and Karen,

5:34

and they are best friends

5:37

and decided about

5:39

six seven years ago that they wanted to make a podcast,

5:41

and now they've been very successful and this is their

5:43

full time job and they

5:45

do really great deep dives

5:47

into the paranormal. They actually even go out

5:50

into the field and stay

5:52

at some of the atonic places that

5:55

shit that I wouldn't want to do, you know, I

5:57

would go knock on a murderer's door before

6:00

I.

6:01

Stay in some old haunted ass

6:03

house.

6:04

I don't know why that is, but I'm

6:06

not even saying that I fully believe in

6:08

whatever. I just just don't want to

6:10

touch it, you know, Like, how do you feel about that.

6:12

Mike.

6:13

Yeah, I'm very similar. I

6:15

don't know if I really believe in ghosts, but I'm

6:17

definitely afraid of them.

6:19

But you're not playing it. Yeah, you're not playing with them though.

6:21

Right, I'm not going to a haunted place. I'm

6:23

not If I do go on some haunted adventure

6:25

or something, I'm not feeling good about it.

6:27

Yeah, long story short, though. I think

6:29

you know, both Mike and myself, regardless

6:32

of what we believe in in terms of the paranormal

6:35

or whatever, we're not playing around with it.

6:38

You know, we don't want to dabble

6:40

with the devil.

6:42

But just to kind of spice things up in this interview,

6:44

and I thought it'd be kind of fun. I purchase

6:47

this little tiny Ouiji

6:49

board and it's I

6:51

mean it's tiny. It's so tiny that it's

6:54

almost not functional. I pulled

6:56

it out during the middle of the interview

6:58

and we try.

7:00

To use it.

7:01

I played with my first Ouiji board,

7:04

and even though it was all funny games, I was still kind

7:06

of spooked.

7:07

This is a great interview.

7:08

I know you'll enjoy it, and if you haven't

7:10

yet, go check out their podcast called

7:12

Two Girls, One Ghost and

7:15

Without further ado. Today's guests are Two

7:17

Girls, One Ghost, Corinne and Sabrina.

7:30

Two Girls, One Ghost.

7:31

Hello, Hey, hey, our

7:33

ghost is somewhere around here.

7:35

Yeah, sitting on your lap, probably

7:38

like the haunted mansion. Ride's light.

7:40

He spat, yes, give a little

7:43

back. Then where's the name from?

7:46

It was like ghost,

7:49

Yeah, where'd you get the name from?

7:52

Trauma were fired by

7:55

an infamous film, well

7:57

done Accidentally, I

8:01

actually have never seen it.

8:02

Peaks Rot Domatoes.

8:05

Oh my gosh, probably one hundred, probably six

8:08

sixty nine percent, I think probably.

8:12

Did you ever actually watch Two Girls, One Cup?

8:14

I think I I know I did. I watched

8:16

fifteen seconds of it, okay,

8:19

and it was horrifying. It

8:21

was like when they were actively pooping in the cup.

8:23

And I was like, that's enough for me. Yeah.

8:25

I was a very innocent child, like I played with barbies

8:27

until in high

8:30

school, So like, I never watched

8:32

it.

8:34

It might have been what changed everything.

8:36

Sent you on a new postwitch.

8:37

Yeah.

8:38

The name was her idea. It was no, I love

8:40

the name, so she said it as a joke and I was like, wait a second,

8:42

this is good marketing.

8:44

Then it flows yeah yeah,

8:47

yeah, I've also seen that video.

8:51

It seems like you are troubled by it.

8:53

Yeah, mega, still picture it today?

8:55

Were you alone or in a group also?

8:59

But not till a kink? Shame? If that's your thing, maybe

9:01

you like it you're

9:03

alone. But I asked them, but a little

9:06

messy, little messy.

9:08

I mean I think I watched it with all of my friends

9:11

and then usually I did one

9:13

time, I need to find.

9:14

The video, but to find

9:16

the two girls one coming, No, So I

9:19

filmed. I was living at my friend's house,

9:21

like I was like twenty two or

9:23

something.

9:24

I feel like you remember exactly what you were wearing too,

9:27

probably.

9:28

Yeah, free shirts back then, so yeah,

9:31

it was like a blue shirt. But

9:34

we turned on like the FaceTime

9:36

camera on the MacBook and we

9:39

played it for his mom, and

9:42

I don't know, it's really kind

9:45

of messed up now and I think about it. But

9:47

her reaction was so fucking

9:49

funny. Oh my gosh, she's

9:52

like very animated. She was like, oh my god,

9:54

we were just cracking up.

9:56

I was like that. I thought later, like I just showed my

10:00

friend's mom two girls, one cup.

10:01

Yeah, did you watch the entire thing?

10:04

Why is there something special at the end or.

10:06

I don't know, I'm just curious.

10:08

I mean, I think so, yeah, I mean, it's not that

10:10

long, is it. I have no idea.

10:12

I don't know. I only I don't think so. I think it's a it's

10:14

a short one. But my parents I had to explain

10:16

the name of our podcast to them and what it

10:18

was based on because people kept laughing

10:21

and I didn't want them to feel out of like

10:23

in the dark, right, And so I eventually told

10:25

them about it. It clearly was a

10:28

traumatizing moment for my dad because

10:30

he blocked it out of his memory. And then like

10:32

a year later, he's with me and Sabrina before

10:34

a live show in Boston and he's so proud of

10:36

us. He's like, it's the best dad ever, and

10:38

we're He

10:41

hugs both of us AND's like, let's get a group picture.

10:43

Two girls, one dad, and he's

10:46

like proudly.

10:46

Saying, shut show.

10:49

Now that probably exists.

10:51

I mean, you type in two girls, one dad, there's

10:53

gonna be a thousand step Dad videos and.

10:56

Ready to go.

10:58

That's someone's trauma, and and then

11:00

it became their kink.

11:01

Yeah, I guess so it starts I think,

11:03

yeah, well, yeah, as a kid, what

11:06

were you like.

11:08

Quiet and

11:10

very innocent, okay, and

11:13

I like did everything my sister did.

11:15

Well, you're a middle child.

11:16

I'm a middle child, so I had Yeah, I feel like I

11:19

was like shored quite a bit and.

11:20

So I just kept myself you

11:22

see innocent, What do you mean like like.

11:24

I played with barbies in my closet until I was

11:27

fifteen or sixteen years old.

11:28

Like mega grades and stuff and oh yeah,

11:30

never got in trouble.

11:32

No, but I got

11:34

in trouble once because this

11:37

is like the it breaks my heart because

11:40

I got pulled aside and told I was a bully. So

11:42

basically, this kid got lice

11:45

and he got sent home from school and

11:47

the next day he came back and I was confused

11:50

because I was like, oh, do you still have like do you still

11:52

have lice?

11:53

And he said no.

11:55

And later that day the nurse

11:57

came into our classroom and read a book about

11:59

light and how like it's not

12:01

okay to bully people, and.

12:04

My teacher made a whole speech. It was like you know who

12:06

you.

12:06

Are, and then that's class

12:09

or is beating for you? Like I can feel the I

12:12

was like, oh who bullied him?

12:13

Who was it?

12:14

And then she pulled me aside after a class

12:16

and was like, you know, it was you. So

12:19

that's when I got in trouble.

12:20

But you're also probably a little concerned about getting

12:22

lies. Oh for sure, You're like, do you still

12:24

have it? Because you sit next to me.

12:26

Actually, why doesn't the whole class go to a life check

12:29

at the nurse's office? Yeah?

12:32

Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry

12:35

the life check. That was the thing that was like a third

12:37

grade thing for me.

12:38

Oh we should talk about I know

12:40

this is your podcast, but you told

12:42

us something about scoliosis checks.

12:45

I was just thinking that about trauma.

12:49

That was different.

12:50

So y'all never had that?

12:51

Yes, but I kept my clothes on. Okay,

12:54

wait, you had to take your clothes off.

12:55

Not completely, but down to your underwear.

12:58

I mean the whole locker room. Did I mean this? This

13:01

is going to sound like really weird.

13:02

Okay, okay, And I cannot

13:05

be the only one who's experienced this, I

13:07

mean, I hope not. So if anyone's

13:09

listening, please tell me if

13:13

you've had to do this before. I

13:15

was in sixth grade and the

13:18

gym teacher like, instead of going

13:20

to gym class that day, we all

13:23

lined up in the locker room and

13:25

stripped down to our underwear in a line,

13:28

and when we got up

13:30

to the teacher, we had to.

13:32

Bend over and

13:35

they would check for a curvature in

13:37

your back.

13:37

I guess I don't know why you have to be in

13:39

your underwear for that.

13:40

I mean, I guess they need to see your spine. I

13:43

guess you keep your pants on? Yeah the hell?

13:45

Yeah?

13:45

How far away were they from you?

13:47

Oh?

13:48

They were right behind you, because I like touch

13:50

your spine.

13:51

The mess up part is like, okay, let's say

13:53

I had scoliosis, Now what you

13:56

know? Fix my skull?

13:58

And also this is the.

13:58

Gym teacher doing that? Yeah, how are they qualified?

14:01

I don't know what.

14:03

Happened to, like an annual pediatrician

14:05

checking you for things? I probably, but

14:07

it was our school nurse who did it.

14:09

Okay, maybe it was the nurse. Was

14:12

it was a guy?

14:13

Were you all lined up in a row?

14:15

Okay?

14:15

At least everyone else was around? Yeah?

14:17

Yeah, it was like, uh, it wasn't like coming

14:19

to my office situation.

14:21

No, but it was very

14:23

weird, like because usually

14:26

in a guy's locker room, especially when you're in sixth

14:28

grade, you're changing pretty quick.

14:31

You're trying to like your tunnel vision and you're like, everyone's

14:33

embarrassed. It's always that one guy who's

14:35

just way, way too comfortable.

14:37

You know, Yeah, and you're looking at yeah.

14:41

Yeah, they want to

14:43

talk to you, like when they're naked and you're.

14:44

Like you're

14:48

you're not blinking because you're making like it's.

14:51

Just like a car wreck. You want to look.

14:54

Yeah, just don't give me the

14:56

option, because

14:59

I'll take it. Man, Yeah,

15:01

I'm gonna do it. I'm bad at

15:03

that. Yeah,

15:06

I look.

15:07

Yeah.

15:08

My looking has always got me in trouble. I'll

15:10

just like realize I've been staring at someone and I'm.

15:12

Like, oh, sorry, I did the same

15:14

thing.

15:14

It's hard when you like space out and stare

15:16

at someone for a while. What were you like as a kid?

15:19

I was.

15:22

I guess I was more quiet.

15:25

I was always like writing stories

15:28

as a kid, and back then

15:30

it was probably a little bit weirder.

15:32

It sounds all cool now, but I

15:35

would get up late on the computer writing stories.

15:37

My dad was probably like, why doesn't you have more friends?

15:40

But look at where you are now, right? Is that

15:42

how you got into filmmaking and documentaries?

15:45

Yeah. I was always just wanting to create stuff

15:47

and so music videos.

15:49

Right, we watched

15:51

that.

15:52

You posted it? I did.

15:54

Yeah, we didn't google Google and

15:57

go deep.

15:57

Sure, but maybe after this we

15:59

was so would you?

16:00

I thought it was really good. I can't believe you gave up

16:02

on your musical still.

16:04

Time, right, Yeah, come

16:06

back to her. Yeah.

16:10

People are surprised when they hear that, and I

16:12

totally understand that because, like, if you were to

16:14

know me from like a true crime

16:17

podcast perspective Investigating and Unsolved

16:19

Murder, yeah, you find out

16:21

I was a rapper.

16:22

Yeah, you're like what Yeah,

16:25

yeah, I get it.

16:26

How amazing was that though? Your first foray

16:29

into podcasting and it was

16:31

up and vanished?

16:32

Well, isn't this your first foray in podcasting?

16:35

Yeah?

16:35

I guess so, yeah, yeah it is.

16:38

We've just been doing it for so long and you had a season,

16:40

So I almost think of this as being like one

16:42

hundred podcasts.

16:43

In one Yeah, right, because you've been just I guess,

16:47

over the years and evolving.

16:48

Yeah, spend what six years?

16:50

Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean

16:52

it is kind of It was weird,

16:55

but the point I was at in

16:58

my life, I was kind

17:00

of willing to take any

17:02

risk to build my career

17:05

and stop being this broke guy

17:07

who was twenty seven, who felt like

17:09

a letdown to you

17:12

know, his family and friends who always thought

17:14

like, oh man, you're gonna be a famous

17:17

director one day, or you know. I was

17:19

like, man, did I just do it wrong? Or

17:21

did I like party too much?

17:24

Or did I you know, take the

17:26

wrong path.

17:26

I don't like it.

17:27

You know, well, how did you decide

17:29

to go audio only? Being

17:32

someone who would focused on video for a

17:34

while.

17:34

I was actually concerned about that. I mean it

17:37

was really just because Cereal. I listened

17:39

to Cereal and I was

17:41

like, holy shit, I'm this

17:44

into an audio story. I

17:46

didn't think that was possible with like my ADHD

17:49

brain. Yeah, And I was

17:51

kind of kicking around the idea of wanting to make a

17:55

true crime documentary.

17:57

I just kind of had the thought of, you know, after watching

17:59

The Jinks and making.

18:00

A Murderer, I'm like, Okay, how does one

18:02

become the person who makes this stuff?

18:05

Do they just go do it? What are

18:07

their credentials? Like they're all filmmakers

18:10

and creators behind it?

18:12

And so I thought, maybe

18:14

I'll make a podcast as a

18:16

proof of concept to like

18:19

go eventually do a documentary.

18:21

And so that was my plan, like it was just

18:23

a stepping stone.

18:24

It wasn't going to be a thing building

18:27

your portfolio.

18:27

Yeah, exactly, and that's why

18:30

I just but that all change once I learned

18:32

that this is its own business and I

18:35

was having fun doing it and we

18:38

just started making more podcasts.

18:40

So cool. Yeah, Krinn.

18:42

What were you like as a kid. Oh?

18:43

Yeah, Oh.

18:46

I wasn't quiet.

18:48

I was weird.

18:50

I was whispering my secrets to the trees and

18:53

still popular. But I

18:55

did like to kind of like ruffle feathers. I was

18:57

like a great friend and I belonged

18:59

to a lot of friend groups. But I definitely tested my

19:02

boundaries with the adults in my life.

19:04

Like I did get in trouble one time in school, and

19:07

it was in high school. I'd run for

19:09

class council and it was my

19:12

turn to make a poster advertising

19:14

the dodgeball tournament. And I was very

19:16

artistic, like I'm good at drawing and painting

19:19

and all of that, and I had painted

19:21

a pretty hyper realistic drawing

19:23

of two hands really close together and two red balls

19:26

right there, and I said, grab your balls, it's dodgeball

19:28

time, and put them all over the high

19:30

school, like sixteen

19:33

seventeen. It makes so much sense.

19:35

Yeah, yeah, I truly

19:38

over Did it go over their heads? Or

19:40

were you in trouble for them?

19:41

No? I got called to the office.

19:43

Okay.

19:44

Our principal was so cool though, he's like, I

19:47

think, I mean it is hilarious.

19:48

Market. Yeah. The art teacher is who

19:51

she reported me twice for things I did, and

19:54

I was like, are you trying to put me.

19:55

In a box?

19:55

I'm an artist.

19:56

She'd just not like you.

19:57

No, she didn't like me.

19:59

I had teacher who like just didn't like me. Yeah,

20:03

most were cool, but like every now and then

20:05

it'd be one teacher who.

20:06

Just like, I don't like that guy, right, which is so like

20:08

it's a child, why are you an adult either?

20:12

Yeah.

20:12

I had a teacher in high school who really did not like

20:15

my sister and at parent

20:17

teacher conferences because

20:19

I had her after my sister had her, and

20:22

this teacher told my mom she goes, I really didn't

20:24

think i'd like Sabrina because I don't like a Lexus,

20:26

but I love Sabrina.

20:28

So so you really were the teacher's

20:30

pub.

20:32

I was a nerdy little like I never

20:34

brushed my hair like it was always a mess.

20:36

I wore like wicked T shirts every day, Like Broadway

20:39

musicals are my favorite. Yeah, you're

20:41

like Princess Diaries. You were me a thermopha

20:43

before before she strained

20:46

her hair.

20:47

Well, if you were a barbie girl growing up, how'd

20:49

you get into the spooky stuff?

20:51

Oh?

20:52

I mean I grew up in a haunted house and my dad is

20:54

like potentially possessed.

20:56

But yeah, let's unpack that

20:58

for a second.

20:59

Okay, So he speaks another language in

21:01

his sleep, one that doesn't

21:04

exist, and he's

21:07

now remarried the third time, and

21:09

all of his wives have said the same thing.

21:12

He did a past life aggression once and like his

21:14

there or like the person running it was like, oh

21:16

yeah, there's a past life that's trying to come through

21:18

and take over your current life.

21:20

Okay, So another language? What

21:22

does that sound like? It's not just gibberish?

21:25

Is it?

21:25

I do not know, I've never heard or is

21:27

it just nonsense?

21:29

I've never heard it? I don't know. Also,

21:31

his current wife, she's bilingual. She's

21:33

Lithuanian, and so she speaks a bunch of different

21:35

languages, and so I think she understands

21:38

language and has identified it as sounding

21:40

like a language. It's not just like mumbling or yeah,

21:45

yeah, that's weird. It's not freaky.

21:47

That's very weird. So your house was haunted,

21:50

Okay, how'd you know that?

21:53

Okay?

21:54

Well, I when I was

21:56

so when we first moved into this house, I

21:59

was probably like four, and I

22:01

started having recurring nightmares. And

22:03

in the nightmare, I'd wake up like as I was

22:05

when I went to sleep, and I would see

22:08

this figure in my doorway,

22:10

and I felt like I had to follow it, and so I'd

22:12

follow it down the hallway to

22:14

my sister's room and I would see these black

22:17

and white orbs fighting over her, and it was like always

22:19

scary. I felt like my sister was in danger,

22:21

and I'd wake up at that moment. I had this for

22:24

years, and then when I was twenty

22:26

one, I was at my college graduation

22:28

dinner with my dad, my sister brother, and we were

22:31

just talking about reocurring nightmares and I

22:33

share this story and my

22:36

dad like drops me off the party, you know, college

22:38

graduation party afterwards, and he texts

22:40

me and he's like, hey, do

22:43

you have time tomorrow before I leave? I

22:45

really need to talk to you about something you said tonight and

22:47

I was like, okay, you can't just say that, Like, what are you talking about

22:49

yet?

22:50

Now? Yeah?

22:50

Hello, And he was

22:53

like, that dream you had wasn't

22:55

a dream, It happened in real life.

22:58

Then he goes on to tell me that when we first moved into the

23:00

house, he had fallen asleep on

23:02

the couch and woke up to like a weird

23:04

noise and he thought

23:06

it was just the TV. Turns it off and goes around the downstairs,

23:09

closing all the doors, making sure everything's locked.

23:12

And he starts going upstairs to where all of our bedrooms

23:14

are, and like immediately feels

23:16

like you know that feeling where someone's looking at you or in

23:19

the house. Yeah, And he

23:22

checks on me, I'm asleep. He checks my mom,

23:24

she's asleep, and he starts going down the hallway

23:26

to my sister's room. The air gets

23:28

cold, like all of his instincts

23:31

are telling him to run. He gets

23:33

to my sister's door and he like touches

23:35

the handle, opens it. All of the

23:37

air is sucked out of the room turns ice

23:40

cold. My sister's asleep

23:42

in bed, eyes closed,

23:45

her mouth opens, and out

23:47

of her comes get out.

23:52

No.

23:53

Yeah, So

23:56

he goes up to my sister and like shakes her awake and

23:58

is like leave my daughter alone, picks

24:01

her up to take her to bed, turns

24:03

around and I'm sleepwalking in

24:06

the doorway. So like my

24:08

dream interpretation of it, I

24:11

was witnessing all of it.

24:12

So you think your dreams weren't dreams.

24:16

I think they were my brain processing

24:18

what I was seeing, like I was witnessing something

24:21

dark trying to possess my sister.

24:23

Okay, and then like maybe the soul

24:25

projecting out of your body could have been doing that or

24:28

do you think that you were really experiencing

24:30

that and then we'd go back to your bed and remember

24:32

it as a dream the next day.

24:34

I don't know.

24:35

Yeah, there have been parts.

24:36

Yeah, like I've ashell traveled before, so

24:39

maybe it's that.

24:40

Okay, what's that like scary?

24:42

I did it by accident and I woke

24:45

up afterwards. Like the reason I woke

24:47

up is because I heard something whisper in my ear.

24:49

Wake up, like something

24:52

scary is going to happen, like audible,

24:54

Yeah, like you know what where people

24:56

like spring up?

24:58

That's what I did.

25:00

I heard the whispering in my physical

25:02

year, and my astral self came right

25:04

back into my body and I sprung away.

25:06

Because when you actual project too, it's like almost

25:08

into the astral plane. You're not exploring

25:10

your own apartment or anything.

25:12

That time, I was exploring my own apartment. Oh you were,

25:14

Yeah, I was like walking through the hallways.

25:17

If you had an experience like the like

25:20

an actual projection.

25:21

Or would tell the one

25:23

about yourself. Okay, Well,

25:25

I also grew up in a haunted house, and I my

25:28

parents lived in three separate houses. Every

25:30

single one of them has been haunted.

25:32

So are they these old houses that

25:34

would no we built? Okay?

25:37

And we actually well,

25:40

so my house in Vermont that I grew up in the majority

25:42

of the time I moved there when I was five. My parents

25:44

built it on this farmland. We knew

25:46

the family who sold their

25:48

farmland to the developer, and so for

25:50

a really long time we couldn't understand why our house

25:52

was so haunted, and other houses on our

25:55

street, like there was literally an exorcism of a house

25:57

four doors down that was built like a new thousand

26:00

and two.

26:01

Wow.

26:01

So recently I actually ran into

26:06

one of the farmer who had sold the land his

26:08

daughter, and I asked her if she knew anything

26:10

about the land being haunted, and she was like,

26:13

oh my god, that doesn't surprise me. She's like, I have no

26:15

idea, but our farmhouse was so haunted.

26:17

And she's in her fifties or sixties now,

26:19

and she said she will not go into her basement.

26:22

So we had so many hauntings

26:24

in this house, and a lot of them were kind of benign.

26:28

It was mostly like we had some regulars, Like there were

26:30

some people that we would see frequently. There

26:32

were there was a ghost dog. I

26:34

actually have never seen the ghost dog. It was a

26:36

black lab with a red collar. For

26:39

a long time, only people who were visiting our house

26:41

would see this dog. My mom is the only person

26:43

who has seen him in real

26:45

life. And it was only like maybe ten years ago, So

26:47

for probably fifteen years it

26:49

was strictly just being told to us by

26:52

other people. So there was a lot

26:54

that happened. A few scary experiences

26:56

too that we all had. But one of the ones that I've been

26:58

trying to make sense of this pastast year is

27:03

when I was in middle school, I did

27:05

get bullied very very badly for

27:07

like two years and it was really really horrible, and

27:09

I actually don't remember like a lot of How.

27:11

So when you say bullied, what were they doing

27:14

like.

27:14

Telling me to kill myself and stuff like that, Like

27:16

it was.

27:16

What you would see in it, like girls

27:18

or dudes too or what?

27:20

No, no, no, it was it was girls. It was like one specific

27:22

girl and like

27:25

her cousins and.

27:26

People popular kids being like picking

27:28

on a random person or what.

27:29

I was popular too, though, which is but I feel

27:31

some weird it's popular pain right,

27:35

Okay, No, but it was like it was more of me and this

27:37

girl just it was like finding yourself.

27:40

She was unhappy in her life and literally right

27:42

yeah, yeah, I mean she's

27:44

had a lot of growth. She apologized to me

27:47

a few years later, Like did she really I

27:49

forgave her? She was clearly in a very bad

27:52

part of her life, and I

27:54

was her best friend at the time, and it all was kind

27:56

of taken out on me, and then other people

27:58

directed it towards me too, And so I had a really,

28:01

really awful two years. I had really good

28:03

friends during that time, but it was still really

28:05

hard to like constantly be bullied

28:08

every day that I went to school.

28:09

Yeah, so how did you even deal with that?

28:12

I probably missed like a third

28:14

of school for those two years, my mom would

28:16

pick me up a lot. Yeah, so I was having a

28:18

really really hard time. And for

28:20

those two years, in my childhood bedroom,

28:24

I had a mirror. I still have that mirror. It's

28:27

hanging up. It's like a floor length mirror that hangs right

28:29

next to my closet door. And during

28:32

these two years, every once in a while, this woman

28:35

would appear in this corner.

28:37

What she would wear like

28:39

baggy dark clothes and she had like a middle

28:41

part and kind of like dark brown hair, and

28:44

her face I couldn't entirely see it, but it was

28:46

like kind of cloaked, and she looked really

28:48

scary to me. Yeah,

28:51

but she would walk over to me and she would approach me, and

28:53

I wouldn't be scared. I'd feel so like comforted

28:55

and loved and understood, and she would like literally reach

28:58

out and I could feel her kind of like petting

29:00

my hair and trying to make me feel better. Yeah,

29:03

it's so freaky, right like, but it feels

29:06

scary, but it felt really

29:08

good for those two years. So

29:11

for a really long time, I was like, this must be my like

29:14

a guardian or like maybe like a

29:16

relative, Like I had no clue who this woman

29:18

was. I described her to my parents.

29:20

They didn't know who she was either.

29:23

And then this passed April. I

29:26

was at home and I was in

29:28

that same exact corner and I was changing into my

29:30

pajamas and I caught a glimpse

29:32

of myself at the mirror, and I was like, holy

29:35

shit, I look exactly like

29:37

that woman that I used to see.

29:39

WHOA really yes, And

29:41

so.

29:42

I don't know how to confirm that, but like, I'm

29:44

probably a couple of years younger than what that woman

29:46

looked like to me, but

29:49

very similar. And so part

29:51

of me is like, oh am I haunting

29:54

myself? Like do I go through some therapy to like finally

29:56

hail myself.

29:57

Someone Also at one of our recent shows,

30:00

we're in Boston, they said they saw

30:02

someone the same.

30:03

Exact description getting a very similar.

30:05

Behind you, very proud of you, like

30:08

a very like motherly, prideful

30:11

type of spirit.

30:12

Yeah. So either I went back

30:14

and I'm now like healing myself through some sort

30:16

of therapy, or I'm going to die in like five

30:19

years and this is me seeing my soul

30:21

go through all of my life's memories, or.

30:24

When we die, we just don't necessarily

30:27

die yeah, maybe maybe we exist

30:29

on some sort of imprint level

30:32

and multiple planes or something.

30:34

I don't know, right, And also if you die, and

30:37

then maybe you can choose how you reappear,

30:39

Like yeah, in the most form.

30:40

You just like go to the to the front desk

30:43

and you get to the box, You're

30:45

like, I really, they're

30:48

just like really frustrated at you, and you're like

30:50

there's a big line and you're.

30:52

Like, God, just use my old picture after life

30:55

horrible.

30:57

Yeah, So I had so many experiences like that

30:59

growing up. My mom is also very intuitive

31:02

and into that stuff, and both of both

31:04

her and I have had quite a few premonitions

31:07

that have come true, but neither of us are

31:09

kind of like locked in enough to understand where

31:12

they can't identify.

31:14

Our twenty twenty four goal is

31:16

to really tap in.

31:17

To conly be able to say we

31:20

are witch.

31:21

We are witches, because right now we feel

31:23

like frauds when we say that, or when people call us

31:25

witches or ask if we're witches. Why I

31:27

have imposter syndrome, Like I don't feel like

31:31

I know enough, Like,

31:34

yeah, we talked about the paranormal all the time, but that doesn't

31:36

necessarily mean.

31:37

We're witches, Well,

31:39

what would make you a witch?

31:42

Probably all the things we're describing. It's just it's

31:45

because we don't have like the full.

31:47

Ability really having a podcast called two Girls

31:49

One Ghosts and go on tour and conturer

31:51

spirits in front of a crowd.

31:52

Right, that's the weird thing, Right, is like our

31:55

paranormal equipment that we bring on stage, probably

31:58

a third of the shows that we've done has been

32:00

really active, which seems like a really high

32:02

percentage.

32:03

Do you think demons are real? Yeah,

32:06

okay, what is it? What's

32:08

the demon? Then?

32:09

Like a darker energy? For sure?

32:10

Is kind of a spiritual term a little bit right

32:13

it is?

32:13

Well, and I think too our understanding or at least like I'll

32:15

speak for myself here, from so many

32:18

of the cases that we've looked into and

32:20

from what we've heard from other people, I

32:22

almost think of a demon not as being like

32:25

I'm sure it could be just like an intelligent,

32:28

active entity of its own,

32:31

But I've also heard many times that someone's

32:33

negative emotions or someone's trauma, like a piece

32:35

of their soul or their experience almost.

32:38

Chips off fragments of

32:40

what like what once was right.

32:43

And then it like festers and becomes. Like if you're

32:45

so so angry and you have this huge,

32:47

horrible thing that happens to you, all your anger might

32:50

some of it might like come off of you and then

32:53

create its own sort of being. And that's what

32:55

we encounter.

32:55

I mean, going back to your own experience in

32:58

middle school, you were having a hard time,

33:00

right, Yeah, what's your correlation with

33:03

that? I mean, while you were having

33:05

one of the hardest times you've had, you were

33:08

experiencing this paranormal you

33:10

know, ghost figure in your mirror.

33:13

Yeah.

33:14

I literally have no idea.

33:16

I have no like like coming

33:18

from your subconscious or is it creating

33:20

this energy that is like

33:23

becoming physically actualized in some

33:25

way, or if I had.

33:26

To guess, because I have accidentally actual

33:29

projected before, just like Sabrina.

33:30

Has accidentally astral project.

33:33

Have you ever had like sleep paralysis? I

33:35

have.

33:38

Not, really, I've had that like exploding

33:40

head syndrome, which also that's a horrible

33:42

name for it, but that's what it feels like.

33:45

It's like, right when you're about to go to sleep,

33:47

like right there, all.

33:50

Of a sudden, the loudest sound you've ever heard in

33:52

your life, audibly in the room.

33:55

Mine was a train horn and it would

33:57

make you jump.

33:58

Up, like holy shit, I've

34:00

never heard of it, yeah, and mean it terrified

34:02

me, and I was like, wow, okay.

34:05

Did this only ever happen in one place?

34:07

So I looked it up and like, I

34:10

was really tired one night and I hadn't slept

34:12

in a couple of days, and I

34:14

used to sleep like on my back.

34:17

Yeah, I've read that.

34:20

I mean, I guess some studies said

34:22

that if you sleep on your back, it's more

34:25

likely to happen. And it scared

34:27

me so badly that I straight

34:29

up don't sleep on my back anymore.

34:31

Wow, that's kind of an entry point.

34:33

I don't want to happen again.

34:34

Yeah, sleep proalysis, they say again, if

34:36

you sleep on your back or astral projection, that

34:38

all happens. And then there's people attempt

34:41

to medically, I guess, diagnose

34:43

this or like explain what's going on. But I

34:46

think the question that we have

34:49

is why do so many people experience

34:51

the exact same thing when seeing

34:54

the same exactly right without the

34:56

knowledge of the yeah right, yeah, yeah, for the very

34:58

first time.

34:59

I guess, have you ever had an out of body experience?

35:02

I don't know if I have.

35:03

Have you ever dissociated me?

35:04

Oh for sure?

35:06

Yeah, Like you're not doing it on purpose, right, Like I

35:08

think that's I know, I'm not, Yeah, like it just

35:11

happens. Yeah, So I think the same way astral

35:13

projection can just happen. And

35:15

unless you know and are actively aware of the

35:18

ability to do it, I think it does

35:20

start accidental and then you can like harness

35:22

it.

35:22

Except for those who don't know what astral projecting

35:25

is, Yes, what is it? And what we're your

35:27

experiences doing that?

35:29

I mean, I guess the simplest

35:32

term or way to describe it is like you're

35:34

astral your soul separating

35:36

from your physical body.

35:38

It's tethered and so like if you picture almost

35:40

like a string or like an umbilical cord from

35:42

your physical body leading

35:45

your soul around as you explore either

35:47

like the physical realm that we're currently

35:50

in, or some people experience another

35:52

realm and they speak to their loved ones on like the

35:54

astral plane, which so your consciousness

35:56

is still with your soul like moving about.

36:00

And so what was that experience like for you? You said

36:02

you accidentally astral projected.

36:05

What did like paint that for me?

36:07

Well?

36:07

You saw, were you

36:09

going to people fighting over your sisters?

36:13

Yeah, so you were like laying down to go to sleep,

36:15

and I was.

36:15

Fully asleep when it happened. Okay, yeah,

36:18

I was napping on my back and

36:20

mine wasn't mine. Wasn't that scary? It was

36:23

just like I've since fought the feeling

36:25

when I feel like it's coming on, it's almost where

36:27

you feel like your body's sinking and you're kind of floating

36:29

above it, where like you're falling into your bed. And

36:31

then I hear really loud like woshing, like

36:34

almost like someone's putting headphones over

36:36

me, and I'm in a I'm like underneath the train

36:39

or something.

36:39

Was it not just so weird dream? Or did you did you

36:41

become conscious of what was

36:44

happening in your dream or something.

36:45

The only reason I know that this even happened

36:48

and it wasn't a dream was because when

36:50

this was occurring, the doorbell rang.

36:53

And it was in college when we I

36:55

was living with five other or four other girls

36:58

in a house, and the doorbell rang. Our friends Sarah was

37:00

coming over, and I

37:02

was so stressed that no one was

37:04

going to go get the door and let her in that

37:07

I saw myself, like I didn't even see

37:09

myself. I was actively getting up from my

37:11

bed and walking over to the door,

37:14

and I looked out of the window and I saw

37:16

Sarah there, and I was like, someone needs to dance

37:18

at the door. I can't answer the door.

37:19

Right now, And then like did you see and

37:22

stuff?

37:22

That's exactly how I know it's because then when I woke

37:24

up from a nap like fifteen minutes later, and someone

37:27

had answered the door. When I went

37:29

out into the living room, she was wearing the exact clothes

37:31

and she was carrying a cooler, and that exact

37:34

cooler was there.

37:35

That is like very specific.

37:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean like how could I?

37:39

Yeah yeah, Is that what it

37:41

was like for you?

37:43

Uh?

37:44

No mine?

37:45

So I feel like the actual projection

37:47

that story kind of qualifies as actual protection.

37:49

But then the one where I woke

37:51

up because something whispered wake up,

37:54

I was asleep and this was early

37:57

days of starting the podcast, so I think I must

37:59

have just like started opened myself up a lot more talking

38:01

about the paranormal and I'd

38:04

gone asleep and I woke up, but

38:07

like saw my physical body

38:10

still in bed, and I walked out

38:12

my astul self walked out into my living room

38:14

and I saw this woman there and she was like sitting

38:17

on the couch in my living room. And I

38:19

swear if I saw her in real life, I would

38:21

recognize her instantly, but I had never seen her

38:23

before. She had like dark curly hair,

38:26

and she was just sitting on the chair kind of like this, just

38:28

like sitting here and like waiting for me, and

38:31

she had me join her and we just sat and talked

38:34

for twenty minutes about life and things that

38:36

I was going through in that moment.

38:38

And then she was

38:40

basically telling me.

38:41

Like I could go explore like what AshEL projection

38:44

is and how it works. And so I

38:46

start walking and at the time, I

38:48

lived in this apartment building that had so many

38:50

doors, and I walked through the

38:52

hallway and I had to go through each of the doors,

38:55

and like as I was getting to the exterior of the building

38:57

is when that voice.

38:59

I'd wake up. So

39:01

what was that voice?

39:02

You think someone

39:04

trying to protect me? I don't know, like something

39:07

else, not you, not your subcons It was

39:09

a male voice.

39:10

It was a male voice. Okay, what did it sounded like? To your best

39:12

impression, it kind.

39:14

Of sounded like my grandfather. Okay, yeah,

39:17

did you watch the movie Insidios?

39:19

I did you know?

39:20

How like part of it is there's darkness

39:23

and darker spirits that exist on the astral plane

39:25

that you know, could take advantage of, almost

39:28

like a vacant body. That's kind of why I

39:30

think you were told to wake up because something was

39:32

lurking. Okay, maybe going to take advantage of

39:34

your, yeah, distance

39:37

from yourself.

39:38

So you guys are on tour right now, and

39:41

you're it's themed

39:43

around your experience at

39:46

the Conjuring House, right, So tell

39:48

me about how that happened

39:51

and what the hell went down in that in that house

39:53

so much?

39:54

Okay, we've always so for six

39:56

years, we've been doing the podcast and we research

39:58

places or we read people's stories, and

40:01

we've gone on like ghost tours and towns or

40:03

like like at certain haunted buildings,

40:06

but we've never gone and done an investigation.

40:09

And so we were like, I think it's time we

40:12

should do it. And I

40:15

don't know why we chose the Conjuring House.

40:16

I don't know, it just seemed it was attractive

40:19

to us. We were like, let's go stay at the farmhouse. It's so

40:22

terrifying, Yeah, exactly.

40:24

And I live in New England and it's in New England, so it

40:27

felt easier. But Sabrina and I wanted

40:29

to almost it wasn't necessarily just about

40:31

spending the night at the conjuring house. We wanted

40:33

to take a little bit more of like a journalistic

40:35

approach, and so we interviewed people.

40:40

Did people who lived there.

40:43

We interviewed Andrea Parrin who lived in the

40:45

house. We interviewed Chad and Carry Hayes

40:48

who wrote the movie.

40:49

We had through documents at the Rhode Island

40:51

Historical Society.

40:53

Yeah, and then we had

40:55

Greg and Dana Newkirk come with us because,

40:58

like we've said, like we don't feel like we're

41:00

professionals. We've never done a paranormal investigation

41:03

before, so we're like, we need to bring someone who

41:05

knows what they're doing with us. So Greg

41:08

and Dana came with us.

41:09

Yeah, they're quite famous paranormal investigators

41:11

and caretakers of haunted objects,

41:14

so they have a lot of experience with not

41:16

only investigating, but like navigating

41:18

certain spirits and negative presences. So

41:21

we felt very comfortable having them come

41:23

with us. And Dana is a witch like Dana's a witch.

41:25

Okay, le, she's a real witch. Does

41:29

one become a real witch?

41:31

Your study and learn practice?

41:34

But are are you all witches?

41:36

Then we're trying where

41:39

to develop?

41:40

When do you become full witch?

41:42

When we get over our imposter syndrome?

41:43

Oh okay, what if you never do? I

41:48

mean, maybe do you? I

41:51

have imposter syndrome too?

41:53

Reading more will help me feel more.

41:56

I just want to understand it, like the history of it, and

42:00

just like different.

42:01

Be more educated and yeah, all

42:04

the things.

42:05

But I think practicing witchcraft

42:07

or being a witch is very personal. It's a very personal

42:10

experience. And so it's

42:12

not like buying a book of spells and just

42:14

doing all of them and being a witch. It's like learning

42:17

about different things. And you know, you speak

42:19

to trees like you are very nature driven.

42:22

I think I'm more like water driven and

42:24

like dream space. So like maybe

42:27

it's understanding what speaks to you and

42:29

then like becoming more in tune with

42:31

it.

42:31

Okay, So I think that the trope

42:34

would be that you have like a

42:36

you know, you're like whipping up

42:38

potions and you know, casting

42:41

hexes on people or something. Is that part

42:43

of it or is it really more like about a self

42:46

manifestation sort of like I

42:48

don't know.

42:48

I think there are people who do hexes. I highly recommend

42:51

that they don't, but I think it's I think

42:53

in internal people self don't.

42:55

Yeah. Yeah, it's about yeah, trusting your intuition

42:57

and just trying to do things. It's almost like self care and

43:00

way where you go through certain rituals

43:02

that feel good. Eclectic witches

43:04

they kind of can grab a bunch of different

43:07

types of witchcraft that belongs

43:09

to different cultures and different types of people and

43:11

test them out and see like what feels good and what feels

43:13

right for them. But then other people there's

43:16

so many different lines of witchcraft too,

43:18

which is I yeah, this is why you're like,

43:20

oh, I want to be more educated in it too, because it's

43:22

like some people it's very hereditary

43:25

and it's very culture based, but other people it's

43:27

just like does this feel like it's

43:29

doing anything for me? Does this feel good?

43:32

Right? And eventually we'll

43:34

buy a cottage in the woods and

43:38

live our best switchy life.

43:39

Yeah, and then you're then you're definitely then yeah, right.

43:42

You can come too. But the entry is one

43:45

tooth, two.

43:46

Teeth, any tooth any

43:48

tooth. Does it have to be mine?

43:50

It does not have to Okay, I was thinking

43:52

yours. But anyone that front

43:56

teeth?

43:56

What do you do with my tooth that you're going to like use it for a.

44:00

For a hex?

44:01

Yeah?

44:03

Is that how that works?

44:04

I give you, I give you one on my to my

44:07

tooth, give me tooth,

44:09

I give one of my teeth, and then you hex me

44:12

as.

44:12

A bad bad deal.

44:14

I know it is a bad deal.

44:15

Stay on our side, okay, yeah, yeah,

44:18

don't listen to am. Okay.

44:23

So you arrived at the conjuring house. What

44:25

time was this that when you got there?

44:27

For the overnight, we got there at like seven pm. Yeah,

44:29

it was seven pm. We did the day tour the day

44:31

before because we wanted to see it in the daylight and get like

44:33

the same sort of group to where everybody else gets. Okay,

44:36

But for the overnight it was we checked in

44:38

at seven pm. We left at four thirty am.

44:40

And the only reason we left at four thirty am instead

44:42

of staying until the eight am checkout time

44:45

was because at three am,

44:47

which is like the notorious witching hour, like

44:50

when the veil is thinnest and the spirits are closest,

44:53

it was dead. Silence was cool. So it was so active

44:55

in the house. But then for like ninety minutes at the end,

44:58

from three am on, nothing

45:00

happened. So we're like, okay, I guess they're done.

45:02

Yeah, is there power in

45:04

there? Yeah? Yeah, Okay.

45:06

So you walk in there, what's the

45:09

what's the first thing that you notice? And you're

45:11

like, oh, wait, that's something, something's going on, there's some

45:13

activity here.

45:15

Well, okay, So during the day tour, because

45:17

we were both a little nervous going into the house for the first

45:19

time because we didn't, like,

45:22

you know, we had seen the movie, we didn't know much else, so

45:24

we thought there was going to be evil spirits

45:27

there.

45:28

When you walked in, I was so

45:31

calm, Like I was nervous walking up into the

45:33

threshold, and then as soon as I passed through from

45:35

the outside to inside through the doorway, I

45:37

felt so warm and so loved

45:40

and I was like I could take a nap here. And I

45:42

looked at Sabrina and I was like, I feel so good.

45:44

Yeah, are you just having a good time or was it deeper

45:47

than that.

45:47

No, it's just like truly, you know, when you enter a space and

45:49

you can tell like if someone just had a fight or if

45:52

something just feels really like homey and warm

45:54

and comfortable. I felt like it was really

45:56

homey, which it

45:58

doesn't look homie.

46:00

It does though, it's like timing farmhouse

46:02

like it is very beautiful.

46:05

Yeah.

46:05

Well you walk in yeah yeah.

46:07

And the room that you walk into like they're playing into the conjuring

46:10

movies.

46:10

There's ware.

46:14

Yeah, they did not break the glass. And I did

46:16

not feel the way you did. No you energy?

46:19

Yeah? Really?

46:20

Yeah, which is weird that you can walk into the same place

46:22

and have two different feelings.

46:24

What do you feel like?

46:25

I just felt uneasy, like I felt the shift and energy.

46:28

It wasn't scary necessarily, but I was like, I

46:30

feel the heaviness of there's

46:34

something going on here, and.

46:35

Your senses are heightened here because you're

46:38

here under the premise of trying

46:41

to investigate activity of some

46:44

sort. Do you get it plays into

46:46

it at all or you definitely?

46:47

Yeah?

46:48

And so that did you experience anything, did you hear

46:50

sounds or what happened? A

46:53

lot? Happened a lot? Yeah, give me a good one.

46:56

Okay, well we have one that we didn't actually have during

46:58

our show. So

47:01

should I tell the clock one?

47:02

Oh yeah, yeah, okay.

47:04

So while we were there, we were doing we

47:07

were just doing like spirit sessions and like using the spear

47:09

box and Says method, And the

47:13

Essays method is like sensory

47:15

deprivation, but.

47:20

It's technologically assisted mediumship.

47:23

So when people have s boxes or spirit boxes

47:25

or some sort of sweeping radio that like scans

47:27

through the radio stations. The

47:30

scanning of the radio stations very quickly

47:32

is supposed to basically prevent any like full words

47:34

or sentences coming through by actual radio

47:37

hosts and give an opportunity

47:39

for spirits to like communicate and speak

47:41

to the radio wavelength for them to write

47:44

and exactly. The

47:46

esta's method takes the spirit

47:49

box and basically plugs in noise canceling

47:51

headphones, and then the person will wear a blind

47:53

fold so that they can't be influenced at all

47:55

by anyone in the room asking questions. They won't

47:58

know if you're reacting to what they're

48:00

saying. They actually don't even know if you're in the room

48:02

with them, really, and so the esta's method

48:04

is someone sitting there, they can't see, they

48:07

can hear, but all they hear is the of

48:10

the sweeping radio and then they'll repeat

48:12

any words that they hear, and then

48:14

someone else or a group of people are in

48:17

the room with them asking questions, and so

48:19

they're just repeating the words that the spirits are

48:21

saying in response.

48:22

Okay, so it's kind of like an experiment

48:25

where you're speaking

48:27

to them and this is like the fail

48:30

proof, Yeah, exactly, variable

48:32

here where it's kind of if they've

48:34

heard something that made sense

48:36

as a response, that would be either

48:39

a strange coincidence or real.

48:41

And the entire time the responses were

48:43

like accurately responding to our questions.

48:45

That's what freaked us out so much because we used

48:48

the Estas method and the Frank's

48:50

Box. There's a Frank's Box

48:52

is something that was created by a man named

48:54

Frank Sumption in the early two thousands to communicate

48:57

with aliens and there's only some two hundred

48:59

of them. And Greg and Dana k Newkirk, who

49:01

came with us to the overnight, they have one, and so

49:03

they brought it. And we were using the Frank's Box

49:06

as the spirit box with the Stus method,

49:08

and we'd never used it before. We probably

49:10

did this method for like almost ninety minutes

49:13

and I think you and I probably I think we

49:15

assumed there'd be like a lot of dead space

49:18

or like a lot of opportunities for spirits

49:20

to say something that didn't make sense to us. We were

49:22

prepped for that. That never happened. Everything

49:25

made sense, Everything was the response. We were never

49:27

interrupted by the spirits. They never spoke out of turn.

49:30

It was freaky.

49:31

So then this example that I'll

49:33

tell you is we were

49:36

asking the spirits if they remembered

49:38

the paren family, who the Conjuring movie

49:40

is based off of, and Dana,

49:43

using the S's method, responded immediately

49:45

saying, I remember when

49:48

they were young that there

49:50

was a clock then, and

49:52

we didn't really think anything of it. But

49:54

then after we did all of this, and as we were putting

49:56

together our show, we interviewed

49:59

Andrea parent, who is

50:01

the woman we were asking the ghosts if they remembered,

50:04

and Andrew tells us this story

50:06

about.

50:07

The day they moved in.

50:08

They had this grandfather clock and

50:11

maybe within like the first week, it kept

50:14

going off at a certain time, and

50:16

then all of a sudden it stopped working and

50:19

it was stuck on that time that it was going

50:21

off every night, and it was like when they were experiencing paranormal

50:23

activity. It stopped working and

50:27

did not ever work again until the day they

50:29

moved out, and it immediately started working again.

50:31

Wow.

50:32

And we were like the ghosts recall

50:34

the clock. They remember, they remembered the clock.

50:36

There was a clock then, and they

50:39

were kind of like, in my mind, it was like they were admitting

50:43

that they had some interference with the.

50:45

Clock, right, like they're pointing towards

50:47

the Also, like how Frank just called it the Frank

50:49

Box.

50:50

It's like, what I call this, Well,

50:52

it's my box box.

50:56

Yeah, and we have to honor that because he's since passed.

51:00

Fans box.

51:00

Yeah, and the extraterrestrials they told

51:02

him to build it. And actually having

51:04

the Franks Box there was so perfect because I

51:06

think a lot of people associate the Conjuring House with spirits

51:09

and with poltergeists something demonic,

51:12

but aliens are the huge thing

51:14

there. People see UFOs all the time. We

51:17

were told when we were using the EST's

51:19

method and also when we were just using a sort

51:22

of like radio s box on

51:24

its own from the spirits,

51:26

that there were aliens there and

51:28

to look in the window and that they come through the window

51:31

and that they'll look like fake clouds, which

51:34

again was so weird because we were hearing all of this.

51:36

And then later when we spoke to Andrew and had that interview,

51:39

she was telling us about one

51:41

of the many experiences she had there where she looked

51:43

outside and there were clouds that looked

51:45

like cotton candy, multi colored clouds,

51:48

and then an entire like flotilla of ships

51:51

came through the sky. Yeah that's

51:53

the word. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

51:56

like athlete, yeah, an army of

51:59

alien yeah.

52:00

Wow.

52:01

Yeah.

52:02

I am bummed though, because I like feel like that

52:04

would have been my opportunity to be abducted and

52:06

I I'm.

52:07

Still here, or maybe you were, you just haven't

52:09

remembered it yet.

52:11

Maybe that's true. For

52:13

that to be true, not at the contrary,

52:15

I don't know what they.

52:16

Were doing up there were like, God, these

52:18

people are weird.

52:20

I know.

52:21

We had a lot of fun experiences too that Yeah, they

52:23

were really fun. There was a lot of like funny

52:25

moments for the spirits do you kind of poke

52:27

fun at you or interact with you? And there was one

52:30

story that I'll tell you that came

52:33

through the Franks box, like we asked, or Greg

52:35

asked, is there one thing that

52:38

you would like to tell the world, Like, what is one

52:40

thing if you have the opportunity for the whole world

52:42

to be your audience, what would it be? And

52:45

the spirit said the naked

52:47

guy or like the naked man, naked man

52:49

and Greg and Dana had no idea what

52:52

this was about, but Sabrina and I did

52:54

because when we did the overnight or sorry,

52:56

when we did the day tour the day before our

52:58

tour guide was Corey Hinzen who his family

53:00

had owned the house previously for three years, and

53:03

he told us that there was a foreign reality

53:05

TV show that came in and filmed there.

53:07

Well, basically the premise of the show was every single

53:10

episode there would be someone who would

53:12

be plopped in a house and no one

53:14

would know where they were

53:16

staying or what was special about this house,

53:18

but the house would be haunted. So it was like to see

53:21

if any hauntings would happen to person.

53:23

What they knew, because this guy clearly did not know

53:25

their cameras either, No.

53:27

He didn't because he was like fully naked

53:29

like penis out all night walking awayd

53:31

was that.

53:31

One of the rules you had to be naked or no,

53:34

this is just he just chose.

53:36

This is why we did not know if he knew if

53:38

there were cameras. But what was so funny

53:40

when we heard like the spirits

53:43

when asked what's one thing that they want to

53:45

talk about, they were like, why are people not

53:47

talking about that naked guy? They

53:49

loved the naked guy coming. They

53:51

probably don't hear any of them. It was refreshing,

53:54

right because everyone else comes in with like, yeah,

53:58

exactly Dick's swing and.

54:01

A lot if he's I think the whole night

54:05

he just got in there and just took his clothes off, and he's

54:07

like, this is how I'm.

54:08

Going to do this.

54:08

He made himself comfortable. I'm wondering. I'm wondering

54:10

if that episode ever was able to be aired.

54:13

Can I say, is this a real show?

54:14

Like?

54:15

Can you I have know? Does it exist

54:17

somewhere?

54:17

Now? I don't know we should.

54:20

Yeah, I will be damned if we go

54:22

find some naked guy with like

54:24

these cameras and.

54:26

What to him? Because clearly

54:28

this guy. Yeah, were they so shocked

54:30

at what was happening that they just like were stunned.

54:33

Watching it to get on this show?

54:35

Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, the Spirits

54:38

were they were very active. Okay, can

54:40

I Actually this makes me want to tell I

54:43

don't know if we've ever told you about this, the ghost

54:45

penis. We have

54:48

caught an image of a spectral being before.

54:52

We were in New Orleans and we went to Lafitte's

54:54

blacksmith's shop, which is like infamously haunted,

54:57

and I was taking a picture of Krin

54:59

and my friend Scout sitting in front of the fireplace

55:02

where a lot of people see faces

55:05

like of the sky, like John

55:07

Lafitte. Yeah, and I'm

55:09

taking a picture and I take one

55:11

live photo and one regular photo within

55:14

the same minute. The live photo there's

55:16

nothing, but in the still photo right

55:19

behind my friend's Scout's nose is

55:22

a spirit looking

55:24

thing and as we zoom in.

55:29

It is it's an ectoplasmic

55:31

penis. That thing is

55:33

like a little tiny blue penis. Penis.

55:35

Yeah, well, what did it look like a penis?

55:38

It was?

55:39

It was mostly I don't

55:41

know.

55:41

That was the only time we've ever been in the tabloids.

55:44

Yeah, truly. My only quote online

55:46

is Corinvyhan from Two Girls, One Ghost

55:49

said quote, Yep, that's definitely

55:51

a penis.

55:54

Should I know one when I see one?

55:56

When I see one.

55:57

Where was it in the picture?

55:59

I can it was like right by her house.

56:02

She's in her face, behind

56:04

her, behind her face.

56:05

It's in the fireplace that everyone else sees his

56:08

face. And we were on Sabrina's bachelrette

56:10

trips, so we were like, of course the bachelorette party,

56:12

like actually gets shown his penis.

56:15

Not his face, right right? Yeah, I

56:18

mean so it mean how big? Was it?

56:23

Nothing? Thrilling? Yeah,

56:27

he's not going to get a reputation.

56:28

But it was clearly a penis, so we could tell it

56:30

look like something.

56:31

Yeah, yeah, just a little ghost penis.

56:33

Yeah, very perfect for two girls on ghost

56:36

Yeah.

56:37

Interesting. Yeah, I mean I

56:39

guess, but there was no body.

56:41

It was just just a penis, just that.

56:43

Yeah, I got to see this. Yeah,

56:46

okay, that's that's wild.

56:47

And I'm curious what you'll think.

56:49

Yeah, I want to know if it's like, oh yeah, that's penis for

56:51

sure, or if it's like please

56:55

it is it like definitive

56:58

enough? Well, i'll

57:00

see, I'll see.

57:01

Yeah. Yeah, I'll be the judge.

57:02

You can judge. You can be honest too. If you're

57:05

like I think you guys are.

57:06

Like, wow, that's huge.

57:08

Are you talking about that small.

57:11

So here's the photo, the

57:14

live photo. So there's nothing in here.

57:16

Okay, this is Scout and that

57:19

is me, and that's the fireplaces the face chase,

57:21

and nothing's in there. We're

57:23

sitting on like folding chairs.

57:25

And now.

57:27

Look it has the mushroom top, it

57:29

has the testees, it's

57:32

got a shaft.

57:33

Yeah, there's my brightness, a very

57:36

fallic right.

57:40

That's that looks like it?

57:42

I mean, it's kind of what I was picturing in my head is.

57:46

A blue spectral penis.

57:47

And if it's nice, it's sure as hell looks like one.

57:49

Yeah.

57:49

Yeah, so now

57:51

you've seen Jean's penis.

57:53

You learned something every day.

57:55

Yeah.

57:56

Wow.

57:57

People don't think about these things as an opportunity

58:00

to be seen when they're thinking about seeing a ghost,

58:02

right, and we didn't.

58:03

Either, Like when

58:05

I ever see the ghost penis

58:08

right right now?

58:08

People worry about spirits, watching them shower

58:11

and like, oh, they can watch me change and

58:13

sometimes you accidentally see them. I will say.

58:15

It's a very creative haunting.

58:17

Yeah it is.

58:18

What would you do?

58:19

What would your signature moved be? You?

58:24

Like how you transitioned like straight from like his

58:27

guy, This guy's a flasher ghost, what

58:29

would you do?

58:31

And I'm like, uh not

58:33

that.

58:37

I don't know, like if I was pranking somebody

58:40

or just do you get to choose one or can

58:42

you just do whatever you want?

58:44

Okay?

58:44

If you were showing up as a ghost to us,

58:47

what would you do?

58:47

Okay?

58:50

I mean I feel like i'd have to like

58:52

try to scare you, but in a funny way, okay,

58:55

like whisper something like really

58:58

weird.

58:58

But like what we actually do

59:00

have a code word if one of us dies

59:03

before the other that we can

59:05

deliver a message through someone

59:07

else to the other person.

59:09

Like someone at a bar walks up to us and says,

59:11

I don't know why I have to say this, but I just need

59:14

to tell you this, And then they.

59:15

Say the code work passes

59:17

and you're just like

59:20

with a stranger and they send along a message.

59:23

Yes, so what is it or is it a secret?

59:25

Well, we just came up with a new one so we can say our old one,

59:27

yeah, because we accidentally said it on an episode

59:30

that the old one was purple

59:33

panties.

59:33

Purple pants.

59:34

That would be a strange thing for a stranger to come up and like,

59:36

I have to tell you purple panties. Yeah,

59:38

you're you're shopping, You're putting

59:40

your heart in piggly wiggling. Someone's like, purple

59:42

panties.

59:44

I'm not going to go around saying that, no

59:46

exactly.

59:47

That's how we would know. I already forgot

59:49

our new one, though.

59:49

I know.

59:50

We'll listen back and all the one time.

59:51

That's totally cool for a strained to behave purple

59:55

purple panties.

59:56

They're like, okay, it's apropope

59:58

again.

59:59

Yeah, So it's safe

1:00:01

to say that in your

1:00:03

experience, the Conjuring House was haunted.

1:00:06

Definitely. It was definitely on definitely hunt the

1:00:09

deal. Yeah, oh yeah. We walked away feeling

1:00:13

a lot more like respectful and understanding

1:00:15

of the spirits that were there. Though I think a lot of people

1:00:17

go in expecting similar to kind of we

1:00:19

did go in expecting to be horrified.

1:00:21

Yeah, and I don't think we were ever horrified. We were very

1:00:24

intrigued in.

1:00:24

I was scared when we

1:00:27

heard an EVP that said midnight, and

1:00:29

Greg was like, what happens at midnight? And I heard

1:00:32

clear as day death, I

1:00:34

said it, three different voices said death, death,

1:00:37

I.

1:00:37

Mean time to go right.

1:00:38

And then at midnight or like eleven fifty

1:00:40

eight, were down in the basement of the Conjuring House

1:00:43

and Dana and Greg are talking about

1:00:45

the coron of cat Skills, which is this like terrifying

1:00:48

object that they have a documentary that just came

1:00:50

out about it.

1:00:50

And I'm like, looking at my phone.

1:00:52

I'm like, hey, so it's almost

1:00:54

midnight. Can we like stop talking about

1:00:56

scary things until after midnight?

1:00:59

And Everyone's like for two seconds, yeah, yeah,

1:01:01

yeah. Two seconds later Danny goes,

1:01:03

isn't this the basement like where that hide

1:01:06

and clap scene from the Conjuring movie takes place?

1:01:08

And I was like, it's eleven fifty nine.

1:01:10

You're gonna run of my car real quick, I think with my

1:01:12

chat stick in there.

1:01:14

Yeah, but yeah, we were, we made

1:01:16

it past.

1:01:17

Yeah, okay, so you're you're live.

1:01:19

We're live, We're live. Yeah okay, But I

1:01:22

feel like we've waited long enough to know.

1:01:23

What the surprise is.

1:01:24

Okay.

1:01:25

So yeah, I've been thinking about it

1:01:27

all this whole time.

1:01:28

I got you guys a gift. I

1:01:30

got you a little gift.

1:01:33

Why am I nervous?

1:01:33

Here we go?

1:01:35

Payne? Are you fucking kidding me? I

1:01:37

knew my heart I knew it.

1:01:39

My heart is pounded. Are

1:01:43

you gonna make us play.

1:01:44

With the Ouiji board? You

1:01:46

can watch? I mean, I'm participating.

1:01:49

I'm in see And that's why I have like

1:01:52

having you sit here, because I knew you'd be.

1:01:53

Like, I'm like, okay, my

1:01:56

heart beat, I can feel it right now. Boom boom boom.

1:01:58

So yeah, this is a the

1:02:00

world's smallest Ouiji board. I

1:02:03

mean, if anything, it's very cute.

1:02:05

It is cute. Did you buy a new one or is this the one

1:02:07

that you were telling us about?

1:02:08

This is the one?

1:02:10

So you never unwrapped it?

1:02:11

Is this? I bought a

1:02:13

bunch of little tiny games like this, and

1:02:15

I thought it was just so cute looking and cool

1:02:18

it is.

1:02:18

Then I'm like, I'm not going to like use this.

1:02:21

It says yes, actually works.

1:02:22

Yeah, I'm like, okay, what does that mean? Like

1:02:25

it actually works? So have you ever used

1:02:28

the Ouiji war before?

1:02:29

I have and totally

1:02:32

made contact with some spirit, but

1:02:34

like it was in middle school, So.

1:02:36

Okay, okay, you know, yeah

1:02:40

used one. I have not, and

1:02:43

then find

1:02:46

some evil spirit in here

1:02:48

and like screw up my sleep tonight or

1:02:52

haunt me, then you'll us

1:02:54

instead of I'm down to to

1:02:57

try it. Do you know how to do it?

1:02:59

I mean yes, yes,

1:03:02

yes, ok And we just have a set intensions and

1:03:04

make sure we say goodbye.

1:03:05

Those are like the biggest rules, okay. And you

1:03:07

know how to do that.

1:03:08

Yeah, and you're going to do it correctly, so we don't,

1:03:10

I hope. So get permanently haunted or something?

1:03:13

Find out or yeah?

1:03:14

Who does it have the age

1:03:16

on there? Like you know, it's like you know, ten and up?

1:03:18

Or what does it say?

1:03:21

Not for children under three?

1:03:23

So if you're four, you're good.

1:03:25

As soon as you can talk.

1:03:26

You can totally talk with the evil spirits, you're right,

1:03:28

But three that's the cutoff right there. So

1:03:31

how do we do this? Okay?

1:03:33

Maybe I will play.

1:03:34

Okay, okay, or maybe you

1:03:36

all play. I'll just watch.

1:03:37

You have to pay part of it, okay, all right, Like

1:03:40

I'm being influenced.

1:03:40

All right, So who's going to open it up? Not

1:03:44

it nose? It goes.

1:03:47

Like gathering around the witchy

1:03:49

board. Wow,

1:03:53

that is the tiniest plante I've ever seen.

1:03:54

Yeah? Is it too small? Is this show?

1:03:57

I don't know. I also feel like I'm

1:03:59

shaking.

1:04:00

I am saying okay before we begin, we

1:04:03

should set intentions, so basically, we're

1:04:05

not trying to provoke anything evil.

1:04:08

Only positive, good love

1:04:10

and light is allowed here absolutely,

1:04:13

and nothing is allowed to follow us home?

1:04:16

Correct?

1:04:16

Correct? Great, y'all

1:04:18

get that?

1:04:20

Got it? Great? We're trusting

1:04:22

you.

1:04:23

Okay, when we each put a finger to say

1:04:25

something after that or is it?

1:04:26

Well, then you each put one finger on

1:04:28

the plan chat this little mini plan chet, but do it as

1:04:31

lately as you possibly can, so that you're not

1:04:33

really it's amante. I know, I am sure,

1:04:35

all sure, it's so tiny,

1:04:37

it's hard.

1:04:39

Okay, Okay, right

1:04:41

now.

1:04:41

You're supposed to ask the question. Don't

1:04:44

abandon Sabrina.

1:04:46

We're both on it.

1:04:47

Okay, now you can start asking. We ask,

1:04:51

are there any spirits here with us?

1:04:58

I feel like you're moving?

1:04:59

Okay, I'm jaking, I'm nervous.

1:05:02

Okay, okay, we'll try.

1:05:06

Is there anyone in this airbnb with

1:05:08

us? Did

1:05:14

you rent the one non hunted?

1:05:16

I mean it doesn't look very haunted.

1:05:18

Should we also put my necorvonic gap onto?

1:05:20

Oh that's interesting?

1:05:21

Oh yeah, yeah, let's let's let's let's

1:05:24

open.

1:05:24

I'm also got to remember to take goodbye even if we don't believe

1:05:26

that this thing is right.

1:05:27

Yeah, We're like, there's nothing there, and I'm like, guys,

1:05:29

there is someone in the room now, like,

1:05:32

what did you guys do to see

1:05:34

that? That's my fear is that, Oh man, this is just a game,

1:05:36

and someone's gonna come remind me later on tonight that

1:05:38

it's not a game.

1:05:40

Okay, So what's doing with my microphone?

1:05:42

By this? And then Sabrina, you can ask questions?

1:05:48

Okay, are

1:05:54

there any spirits?

1:06:00

I heard?

1:06:00

I am?

1:06:02

Yeah?

1:06:03

Wait, do you want to

1:06:05

communicate with us using the Ouiji board?

1:06:08

Oh? Shoot?

1:06:11

Kind of.

1:06:15

Are you guys? Are you pushing it?

1:06:17

Or is that just like all

1:06:19

of the vibration of all of us are shaking?

1:06:26

Is there any message you would like to share with

1:06:28

us?

1:06:32

Mhm? What was that? Okay?

1:06:37

Okay, it

1:06:40

is spooky, though it is.

1:06:41

It sounds terrifying.

1:06:44

Would you like to communicate with us? I

1:06:53

wish we'd brought all of our other equipment to do

1:06:55

you have anything in your backpack? I

1:06:57

don't think I do what

1:07:02

I'm talking about into our insecure Okay,

1:07:04

here we go, I got one.

1:07:06

If there's any hey, if

1:07:10

there's any spirit spirit

1:07:12

in here? Are

1:07:16

these real witches.

1:07:18

I think that was a due.

1:07:20

It was a sure do.

1:07:28

What are you wearing?

1:07:38

Our ghosts? Penis is real? They

1:07:46

are, they are.

1:07:48

It's supposed to sweep through the radio is the same way

1:07:51

that like a spirit box does, but I definitely does

1:07:53

that.

1:07:53

It just like, yeah, it's like it

1:07:55

could sound less spooky.

1:07:56

Yeah, it could be a little clearer or like we can't

1:07:59

even hear the scan of like.

1:08:00

That's yeah, yeah, all

1:08:02

right, should we close out? Yeah? Sure.

1:08:04

We have to keep our fingers on.

1:08:05

And we have to say, okay, don't mess

1:08:08

this part up.

1:08:09

Yeah, well you don't mess this part up.

1:08:10

Okay, don't know lifting of the finger,

1:08:13

yeah, okay.

1:08:14

Thank you to whoever is here for

1:08:17

the opportunity to speak to you. We

1:08:19

are going to say our goodbyes now. We

1:08:22

appreciate your efforts and wish

1:08:24

you the best of times staying

1:08:26

here.

1:08:28

We are closing our conversation and communication

1:08:30

with you at this time.

1:08:32

What they said, and thank you for your

1:08:34

time and please don't

1:08:38

haunt me. So for the listener

1:08:40

who is totally I'm not into

1:08:42

any of this stuff. I think it's all fake. Obviously

1:08:46

getting your name, you're on my list, What

1:08:48

would you say? To them in terms of maybe

1:08:51

opening their mind a little bit.

1:08:53

If you like good stories, you don't have to believe in

1:08:55

them. You could just be like, oh, this is a fun story.

1:08:58

And I think that there's a lot that happens around

1:09:00

us that we sometimes write

1:09:02

off as something else. And it's like if you take a

1:09:05

pause and you take a moment and you actually try to

1:09:07

think about what just happened to you, or recreate

1:09:09

something that happened that might have seemed odd, like

1:09:12

something falling off of a bookshelf.

1:09:14

If you can't recreate it, then perhaps

1:09:16

that is something trying to get or someone

1:09:18

trying to get your attention. I think it's easy to

1:09:20

put up our blinders and be like, oh, must have been the wind,

1:09:22

even though all my doors and windows are closed

1:09:25

and I don't even have air conditioning in here. I

1:09:27

think it's easier to just be like, I

1:09:29

don't believe because sometimes it's scary and

1:09:32

it rocks all of my core beliefs that I might

1:09:34

already have. Yeah, but I think if

1:09:36

you just think for a moment, and

1:09:38

unfortunately, I feel like it does take certain people

1:09:42

losing someone or like a pet

1:09:44

or someone close to them to start

1:09:47

to open up and start to recognize some of

1:09:49

the signs that happen around us.

1:09:51

I think the paranormal also offers a lot of hope

1:09:54

and like hell Sa in

1:09:56

the sense that death is scary, we

1:09:58

don't know what comes after it it, so believing

1:10:03

in the paranormal in the afterlife

1:10:06

kind of offers you a little bit of a solace if you

1:10:08

lose someone like krint saying, to know

1:10:10

that maybe they're still there and watching over you.

1:10:13

Yeah, it's less doom and gloom that way.

1:10:15

Yeah.

1:10:17

Well, thank you guys for being here.

1:10:18

This was fun and I really hope that

1:10:21

we did not conjure some ghosts and if we

1:10:23

did, he leaves with you guys.

1:10:25

And not with me.

1:10:26

We have some cleansing material.

1:10:28

Cool.

1:10:28

So if I if you receive a call from

1:10:30

me like two in the morning tonight, answer

1:10:33

it because I'm I probably need your help. Robert

1:10:35

Scooby, do that stuff

1:10:37

I said about this being a fun little game and be like, holy shit.

1:10:39

Where we do this is serious?

1:10:41

Yeah? Yeah, but yeah,

1:10:43

you guys are fun and I'm going to be at your

1:10:45

show tonight.

1:10:46

Thanks for having us, of course for supporting

1:10:48

us.

1:10:48

Absolutely.

1:10:49

Maybe more will happen tonight.

1:10:51

It might maybe we just like poked at

1:10:53

it this wall just yeah

1:10:56

maybe.

1:10:56

Yeah.

1:10:57

If all the things you're saying are true, that they all you around

1:10:59

and stuff, then they they're like, I will save it.

1:11:01

Yeah.

1:11:02

Normally when things happen, we blame it on our podcast

1:11:04

Gusts, but I think tonight we'll blame it on you. Yeah.

1:11:06

Okay, cool. Hopefully not

1:11:08

lame.

1:11:09

Hopefully it's something fun.

1:11:10

Yeah cool man.

1:11:11

Yeah, another ghost penis Yeah.

1:11:13

Yeah, it's like wow, takes

1:11:16

up the whole room, like,

1:11:20

wait, is pain dead? Where is it? So?

1:11:24

No, he's just really asleep.

1:11:25

He's back at the Airbnb Apple projector

1:11:28

and I'm like, I'm like, holy.

1:11:33

End on that note. Well, thank

1:11:35

you guys, that was funk you.

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