0:13

From Vision Australia. This is talking

0:15

vision. And

0:18

now here's your host, Sam

0:20

Collins.

0:23

Hello everyone. It's great to be here

0:25

with you. And for the next half

0:27

hour we talk matters of blindness

0:29

and low vision.

0:31

I'm sure that we can say to the

0:33

small staff and the 400 volunteers,

0:36

well done. You're providing a great

0:38

service to many people. Congratulations.

0:42

Now, may I officially say

0:44

I officially open on

0:47

1170 9 a.m.? Radio

0:49

three.

0:51

Welcome to part two of our 40th

0:53

anniversary special on Talking

0:55

Vision, where we celebrate

0:57

the last 40 years of otherwise

1:01

known as Vision Australia Radio,

1:03

including speeches from

1:05

Australian TV personality

1:08

Norman Spencer, as well

1:10

as that man again, Stephen Jolly,

1:12

who'll be making an appearance later

1:15

in the show. But before

1:17

you hear from Norman and Stephen,

1:19

I catch up with John Simpson,

1:21

a man who is won many hats

1:23

over the decades, from the 80s

1:25

up until the mid 20 tens

1:27

in the community radio sector

1:30

and of course, especially through

1:33

aka Vision Australia Radio.

1:35

That interview is coming up very

1:38

shortly, so make sure to stay tuned.

1:40

I hope you'll enjoy this special

1:43

40th anniversary episode of

1:45

Talking Vision. My

1:51

next guest is a name no doubt familiar

1:53

to many people over the decades,

1:55

whether through his work at Blind

1:58

Citizens Australia, the Community

2:00

Broadcasting Foundation, or

2:02

indeed through and Vision

2:04

Australia, Radio and Vision Australia.

2:06

More broadly, his name, of course,

2:09

is John Simpson, and he joins

2:11

me now. John, welcome back

2:13

to Talking Vision. Thank you very much for

2:15

your time today.

2:16

Oh, it's good to be with you, Sam.

2:18

Now, firstly, let's go all the way back

2:20

to 1984. John,

2:23

I understand you've been hosting and producing

2:25

some special events programs

2:27

over that time, all through the 80s

2:30

to the 90s and even the 2000.

2:32

So tell us a bit about your involvement

2:34

there.

2:35

So scary to think

2:37

back that far, Sam. But yes, yes,

2:40

in the in the early days of Sri, the

2:43

station was quite innovative in

2:45

the sorts of things that it tried to provide

2:48

for people who were visually impaired

2:50

or otherwise disabled. And

2:52

one of the things that we tried to

2:54

do was interact with

2:57

local blind spots and national blind

2:59

spots. So probably the first thing that I did

3:01

was hosting a Saturday

3:03

night program in the summer season,

3:05

where we brought results of the Victorian Blind

3:08

Cricket Association to the listeners

3:10

with interviews and so on and so forth.

3:12

In the early days, of course, that was done in

3:14

the studios over in Talbot Crescent.

3:17

But then later on, of course,

3:19

the Cricket Association had its own facilities

3:21

at the cricket ground there, and we were

3:23

able to do it there with background

3:26

noise of people celebrating

3:28

or commiserating after a tight

3:30

match. And of course, we also

3:32

covered cricket finals during

3:35

the finals matches, which were

3:37

normally in about mid-March, often

3:39

over the long weekend, the Labor

3:41

Day long weekend, we'd do hourly reports

3:43

and so forth. And in the first

3:46

instance in about 1984 85,

3:48

we set up over in the old day centre,

3:51

which of course is long gone with the with

3:53

the new buildings and so

3:55

forth. But it was a verandah type area

3:57

that overlooked the cricket ground and we

3:59

set up outside broadcasts there. So

4:02

they were the earliest things. And

4:04

of course then we got into international

4:07

sport and there

4:09

was a strong interest from the blind and

4:11

print disabled community in international

4:14

tennis. So we would host

4:16

nightly broadcasts of the

4:19

Wimbledon Tennis Championships.

4:21

We cover the full second week of those,

4:23

except for the finals, and we didn't do the finals,

4:25

of course, because the BBC overnight

4:27

coverage included that.

4:29

So from the Monday to Friday of the second

4:31

week of Wimbledon, we'd have a team

4:34

of commentators in the studios

4:36

and Stephen Jolly or I would host that

4:38

and we would call the tennis

4:40

off the television monitor. The Channel

4:42

Nine network used to do Wimbledon in

4:45

those days. And in fact, it's interesting

4:47

to note, Sam, that that's where

4:49

the ABC commentary team first

4:51

experience calling live sport off

4:53

television. And they give credit many of the

4:56

earlier ABC hosts Clarke

4:58

Hansen, Graham, Smokey

5:00

Dawson and Tim Lane give credit

5:02

to the service for

5:05

the innovation of calling sport off

5:07

a TV screen. And of course,

5:09

they've picked it up and it's normal

5:11

practice these days in many sport. So

5:13

we'd do Wimbledon and we would also do the finals

5:16

of the US open and the French Championships,

5:18

which of course all were overnight Australian

5:21

time and we'd be there at all sorts

5:23

of times of the day and night calling

5:25

tennis occasionally we did tennis

5:27

within Australia, but of course there was more local

5:29

coverage so there was less need. The policy

5:32

was always to try and do things that

5:34

weren't available to the primary

5:36

audience from other sources, and that's the way

5:38

we worked on many of those things.

5:40

Also, I understand you're quite involved

5:42

in the carols broadcast, so

5:44

tell us a bit about that.

5:46

Well, it's actually one

5:48

of my most cherished

5:50

memories, Sam, because in fact, going

5:52

back long before the days of radio for the

5:54

print handicap and through I,

5:57

in fact, was the program

5:59

director for the Carols by Candlelight

6:01

festival in Melbourne when the Royal Victorian

6:04

Institute for the blind ran it during the

6:06

1970s and early 80s.

6:09

So when I became involved

6:11

with with the radio service,

6:13

it was one of our special

6:15

events was to as

6:18

happens now. But we started

6:20

the practice of providing audio description

6:22

for the television coverage of Melbourne's

6:25

Carols by Candlelight, and I produced

6:27

that for quite a few

6:30

years during the period of the

6:32

early 2000, right up to

6:34

about 2013

6:36

14. I produced those

6:39

events every Christmas Eve.

6:41

Okay. Now, John, I want to

6:43

take us back to about five

6:45

years after the

6:47

initial involvement you had with the

6:49

cricket and the. Tennis there. We're

6:51

talking about a couple of years in

6:53

the late 80s. Early 90s,

6:55

where you had a major involvement in

6:58

leading consumer input to

7:00

the licensing of all the services.

7:03

So give us a bit more info about

7:05

that. What did that sort of involve? What

7:07

was the process when.

7:08

All of the RPI stations,

7:11

the major capital city stations, of course,

7:13

at that stage, including three in

7:16

Melbourne, but also the Sydney,

7:18

Hobart, Canberra and Brisbane

7:20

stations, Adelaide and Perth,

7:22

came on a bit later when those stations

7:24

all started. They were licensed basically

7:27

as experimental stations, and the

7:29

frequency allocated to

7:31

them was outside of the normal

7:33

Am broadcast band. So instead

7:35

of being 1179,

7:38

it was three years now, it

7:40

was 1629 and

7:42

it was a very low power. The

7:44

broadcasting authorities then in the late

7:47

1980s, with

7:49

the prompting of the of the government

7:51

of the day, offered what they

7:53

call primary band broadcasting licenses

7:56

to those stations, and also Adelaide and

7:58

Perth, and the

8:00

conditions that had to be satisfied

8:03

to get those licensed included a very

8:05

heavy emphasis on community

8:07

participation and community

8:09

influence over the management of the services.

8:12

I was executive officer

8:14

with Blind Citizens Australia

8:16

at the time and it

8:18

fell to Blind Citizens Australia and

8:20

and to me in particular as

8:22

the, as the employee to do

8:24

a lot of the work to negotiate

8:27

suitable arrangements with

8:29

the potential licence holders about

8:32

the establishment of consumer input

8:34

or listener input groups and so on and

8:36

so forth, and to support

8:39

the licence applications of

8:42

all of those stations. And that went on over

8:44

a couple of years. And of course,

8:47

it it included the

8:49

provision by the then government

8:52

of the primary broadcast

8:54

frequencies. And what they did was they

8:56

moved commercial radio

8:58

stations, and the one concerned in Melbourne

9:01

was three kHz. They moved them

9:03

to the FM broadcast band

9:05

and made available that slot

9:07

in the radio spectrum for

9:10

three in Melbourne. And they did similar

9:12

things in Sydney and the other states.

9:15

So that was a very

9:17

heavy involvement that I had

9:19

as executive officer of Blind Citizens

9:21

Australia, but probably spent

9:24

20 to 30% of my working

9:26

time over about a 1215

9:28

month period, working directly on related

9:31

matters.

9:31

And then later on you broadened

9:33

your focus quite a fair bit, actually,

9:36

John, with your work on

9:38

the Community Broadcasting

9:40

Foundation. So what sort of

9:42

things did you get involved with

9:44

there across the whole sector?

9:46

It's a very exciting time, Sam,

9:48

because it was

9:51

light, 1990s, early 2000,

9:54

and computer based

9:56

broadcasting systems were really just coming

9:58

into their own and the opportunity

10:01

to use the internet for exchanging

10:03

programs and all of those sorts of things. Now,

10:05

the Community Broadcasting Foundation

10:08

is the arm's length body

10:10

from government that has a responsibility

10:13

to actually allocate parts of

10:15

the government's grant monies to

10:17

different organisations within

10:19

the community broadcasting sector. So

10:22

as a member of the as the chair

10:24

of the Grants Advisory

10:26

Committee, I was responsible

10:28

for making sure that the various

10:31

providers had their applications

10:34

in and that they could add their

10:36

grants and so forth adequately for

10:38

the government moneys that they were receiving.

10:40

And more broadly, as

10:42

a member of the board, we

10:44

were involved not only in monitoring those

10:46

grant monies, but also in a whole heap of

10:49

innovative projects

10:51

that saw diverse allotment

10:53

of, firstly, the use

10:55

of the satellite services to

10:57

relay programming between various

10:59

community stations, internet

11:01

based program sharing,

11:04

internet management of community

11:06

broadcasting facilities and all

11:09

those sorts of things. So it was,

11:11

if you like, a role as the

11:13

trustee or one of the trustees

11:15

for the allocation of those community

11:18

funds and ensuring that they

11:20

were being put to the most appropriate

11:22

use.

11:22

And moving on a little bit later

11:25

in the 2000. So this is

11:27

going back 15

11:29

odd years ago now. You joined the relatively

11:31

recently? Well, yeah, relatively. Absolutely.

11:34

You join the management team for

11:36

Vision Australia's Accessible info

11:38

division and that included radio at that

11:40

time. So tell us a bit about that.

11:43

So one of my passions is

11:45

always been to work to

11:47

have audio description services

11:49

properly available. On Australian television,

11:51

and I'd worked on that from the mid 1990s

11:54

in parallel with other things that I'd done. And

11:57

in 2007, that

11:59

resulted in me being invited to join

12:02

the management team within the Accessible

12:04

Information Services Division to

12:07

actually take over national

12:09

management of audio description services.

12:11

And that's where I came into the organisation,

12:14

and we did an amount of

12:16

work in that area to increase

12:18

the availability of audio description on

12:21

in live theatre and in other live venues,

12:23

as well as advocating for it on television

12:26

as a result of being part of

12:28

that management team, when there were some

12:30

changes in the management

12:33

structure of Vision Australia

12:35

Radio as it was by then, and Stephen

12:37

Jolly moved on to other activities

12:39

within the organisation. I

12:41

served as manager of Vision

12:44

Australia radio network across about

12:46

eight months, I think, and that was

12:48

a very exciting time in 2008,

12:51

2009, because it was when

12:53

Vision Australia Radio first started

12:56

to use digital

12:58

technology, computer management

13:00

tools and so forth to manage

13:02

the network. Of course, network by

13:04

that stage included Melbourne

13:07

and the various regional

13:10

services across Victoria. Perth

13:12

wasn't included in the network, nor was Adelaide

13:15

at that stage, but nonetheless there

13:17

was a need to provide better

13:19

program management tools across Melbourne

13:22

and the regional services. And

13:24

there was a major reconstruction project

13:27

of of the technical facilities

13:29

that Dale Simpson oversaw,

13:32

and I was the station manager

13:34

during that time. So I managed

13:37

the service up to the time that Peter Butler

13:39

was appointed. And then I continued

13:41

to work in the information access

13:43

area, and the

13:45

director of that unit moved

13:47

on, and I became the operations manager

13:50

for the whole of information

13:52

access, which of course included the radio services

13:54

at that stage. And I managed

13:57

in that capacity right through until

13:59

I retired from Vision Australia in

14:01

mid 2012.

14:03

And as we've talked about that three odd

14:05

decades that you were involved with

14:08

Vision Australia and the network,

14:10

what were some real highlights for you?

14:12

What do you look most fondly on? I mean,

14:15

we've talked about your involvement

14:17

with Carol, so we can certainly start with

14:19

that. But what else has

14:21

really touched you personally as a

14:23

moment you'll never forget?

14:25

Oh, I think in the early stages,

14:27

it was the station's

14:29

ability and commitment

14:31

to finding ways to meet the

14:33

information needs of

14:36

people with print disability, whether they be blind

14:38

or otherwise print disabled. There

14:40

was a lot of innovative programming

14:43

in the very early days. For example,

14:45

there was a regular program which

14:47

simply provided information about

14:50

the printed catalogues that

14:52

the major supermarket chains

14:54

and other retailers put out. And once a

14:56

week someone would go through and read

14:58

highlights from, you know, whether it was

15:00

big W or one

15:02

of the clothing stores or whatever, because

15:05

of course, this is before all that information

15:07

was available to people online. So

15:10

the ability of the station to

15:12

address the particular needs

15:15

of people with a print disability was

15:17

really the focus then, not

15:19

to say that the station isn't doing that now

15:21

or the network isn't doing it now, but

15:24

of course times have changed. So those needs

15:26

have changed. And that's, of course, what's always

15:28

been the key to success of the

15:31

radio for the print handicapped services

15:33

is the ability to meet the actual needs

15:35

of people at the time they exist.

15:38

That's right. And it's been around,

15:40

of course, for 40 years now.

15:42

It's very exciting to be able

15:44

to celebrate the anniversary

15:46

with you, John, as somebody who's been so

15:49

heavily involved in the service for

15:51

so long and contributed so

15:53

much, it's an absolute pleasure to

15:55

catch up with you today and chat

15:57

all about and reminisce about

15:59

the last 40 years of

16:02

AKA Vision Australia Radio.

16:05

So thank you very much for your time today.

16:08

And thanks for the opportunity, Sam. I've really

16:10

enjoyed it.

16:17

I'm Sam Corley and you're listening to Talking

16:20

Vision on Vision Style Radio

16:22

associated stations of and

16:25

the Community Radio Network. I

16:28

hope you're enjoying this special 40th

16:30

anniversary episode of Talking

16:32

Vision, in part two, of which

16:34

we just heard from John Simpson there.

16:37

And if you'd love to hear from John

16:39

again, or you missed any part of

16:41

that interview, the full program

16:43

can be found on the Virgin Australia

16:46

Radio website, as well as

16:48

your favorite podcast platform

16:50

and the Vision Australia library.

16:53

And now let's take a special

16:55

trip back to the 19th

16:57

of August 1990, where

16:59

Vision Australia Radio, known

17:01

as three at that time, moved

17:04

from 1629 on

17:06

the Am band all the way down

17:08

to our current location at

17:10

1179. So

17:12

please enjoy hearing from Norman

17:14

Spencer and Stephen Jolly introduced

17:17

by then president of the

17:19

Association for the blind, Diana

17:22

Jones.

17:23

Norm Spencer has been a household name for

17:25

many years. I think most

17:27

people will remember Norm for his involvement

17:29

as executive producer and director

17:31

of Channel Nine's In Melbourne Tonight with

17:33

Graham Kennedy. He later

17:35

moved to channel seven before leaving the industry

17:38

to manage several suburban shopping centres in

17:40

Melbourne. However, the lure of the industry was hard

17:42

to resist. In 1976,

17:44

with the group, which included Graham Kennedy

17:46

and Mike Walsh, he won a licence to

17:48

establish radio three MP and

17:51

gained a healthy share of the Melbourne audience.

17:54

Norm then retired, but not for long.

17:56

In 1984 he took up

17:58

the position of his Executive Director of the

18:00

Advanced Australia Foundation, which

18:02

aims to advance Australia and encourage

18:04

Australians to take pride in their work. I

18:06

have great pleasure in welcoming Norman Spencer and

18:09

also his wife and two children who are here today

18:11

and Norm, I now invite you to officially

18:13

launch 1179 three

18:15

Iph. Ladies and gentlemen, Norman

18:17

Spencer.

18:23

Thank you Don. I firstly say

18:25

I congratulate everybody on this concept.

18:27

I've just had a quick look around and I've

18:29

seen these beautiful studios here, and there's a lot of

18:32

people I know in Melbourne and Australia

18:34

with the radio station would be very jealous indeed.

18:36

They're are credit to the people that

18:38

have put this concept together. Firstly,

18:41

thank you for your invitation to open three on

18:44

1170 9 a.m.. Like

18:46

a lot of people have been through the media and I

18:48

say bad jingle and Judy and Stuart

18:50

and Bill Armstrong and a few of those, none

18:52

of us, I think, ever lost our love for radio.

18:55

One of the reasons being that radio

18:57

is one of those mediums that leaves still

18:59

a lot to the imagination. Television

19:02

doesn't do it, print doesn't do it, but

19:04

radio does. And also, of course, it

19:06

helps because you can't see me, which is also

19:08

a bit of a help. Mind you, I believe that

19:10

radio got that imagination and

19:12

you can enjoy it in your own way. And I think that

19:14

was very, very important. Of

19:17

course, it's important in this case because it's

19:19

radio for the print handicapped, and it's an

19:21

information source which will give great pleasure

19:23

and great satisfaction to a whole lot of worthy

19:25

Australians, you know. 1170

19:28

9 a.m. there's a lot of fond memories for me.

19:30

I won't tell you how long ago it is, but I started

19:32

on 1170 9 a.m. when it was three

19:34

kids at at the Trade Hall. And if I

19:36

tell you, I started with a man that

19:39

was print handicapped from the finish and was

19:41

a member of the committee of the Association for the blind

19:43

and a great radio man, Norman Banks. It

19:46

really was a great man. He

19:48

was Eddie Bauer. And people say, you can guess

19:50

it was before the war. I

19:53

was a young boy. And that's got me started

19:55

in radio. Unfortunately,

19:58

I had the misfortune to break 50

20:00

records, and I couldn't understand

20:02

why they didn't want me to work there anymore. I

20:06

went from there to three DB and then a

20:08

few other places, but I was very, very happy.

20:10

And there was some great men in those days and in

20:12

radio, as I'm sure there will be now. I'm

20:15

sure that men like Norm banks, Eddie

20:17

Balmer, the general manager of K Z. Now

20:19

Les Ha would join me in saying

20:21

to the staff here and to the 400

20:23

volunteers, congratulations, you've done a

20:25

wonderful job and you've got a wonderful job in front

20:27

of you. I feel very envious. And I'm

20:30

sure a lot of people do, people that are achieving

20:32

something in in life, and this is what it's all

20:34

about. I think you've got a great opportunity

20:36

here, going right through Melbourne for

20:38

the first time, and I think you're going to have

20:41

a lot of fun, a lot of a

20:43

lot of radio people and a lot of volunteers.

20:45

I'm sure that we can say to the

20:47

small staff and the 400 volunteers, well

20:50

done. You're providing a great service

20:52

to many people. Congratulations.

20:54

Now, may I officially say

20:56

I officially open on 1170

20:58

9 a.m. radio three.

21:16

We've made it at last. Thanks, Norm.

21:19

To respond to Norm, we have someone well

21:21

known to most of you. And that is Stephen Jolly.

21:23

Stephen has been involved with three Iph

21:25

since its inception, is a volunteer presenter

21:27

and reader, a listener and a supporter.

21:30

He's president of the Victorian Supporters

21:32

for radio, for the Print Handicapped and is on

21:34

the board of. Would

21:36

you please welcome Stephen Jolly?

21:46

Mrs. Jones, Mr. Spencer, friends

21:49

of. A

21:52

lady called me the other night, and she said, I

21:54

hope things go really well on Sunday. Stephen.

21:56

I'm quite excited about it now that it's

21:58

really happening. They're not

22:00

profound words, but they do capture the

22:02

mood of so many who have been waiting

22:05

for what seems a long time for what

22:07

is a really historic event in

22:09

Australian broadcasting, and

22:11

I feel honoured to have the opportunity to

22:14

speak to you all on this occasion. I'm

22:18

delighted to see that we have so many

22:20

special guests with us today and

22:24

Norm, your kind words of

22:26

support and encouragement were very much appreciated.

22:29

Actually, I've been quite impressed over the

22:32

years with the way has

22:34

been embraced by the various

22:36

sectors of mainstream broadcasting

22:38

and I first met Norman on the initiative

22:40

of Neil McRae, when Lindsey

22:43

Macmillan and myself visited him

22:45

at three MP. I

22:50

also at that time when,

22:52

as chairman of the Australian Council for radio for

22:54

the Print Handicapped, had the privilege of meeting

22:57

the late Brian White and Des Foster

22:59

from Fab. The

23:06

support for RPA has

23:08

come from other sectors of broadcasting

23:10

as well. I know that Clyde Simpson

23:13

has been a great supporter. Again. I guess

23:15

that the encouragement from time to

23:17

time from Neil McRae. But Clyde's

23:20

support and assistance has been highly

23:22

valued. On the broadcasting front,

23:25

the transfer of expertise has been

23:27

in two directions. Actually, regular

23:29

and long term listeners to the ABC would

23:32

perhaps remember the voices of Laurie

23:34

Neville and also

23:36

Genetica Grant, who both first

23:38

broadcast on three of the

23:41

input from established broadcasters, has been

23:43

outstanding. And just some of

23:45

those names that come to mind are Paul Savage,

23:48

Barbara Horne, Michael McCarthy,

23:50

Maurice Lockey and Clark Hansen.

23:54

Also, I'd like to take this opportunity

23:57

of tabling the print handicapped

23:59

community's appreciation

24:01

to the print media for

24:03

the outstanding,

24:05

very willing and wide

24:07

ranging support that they've always

24:09

provided to the service. And

24:13

with this move on to the broadcast

24:15

ban no longer is a little

24:17

bungalow at the end of a tiny street, but

24:19

it's taking up residence on a

24:21

quarter acre block of that main stream

24:23

that is the Am broadcast band,

24:26

and coming with the privileges of that

24:28

new location is also

24:30

the commitment to

24:33

play the part of a responsible neighbour.

24:37

I'm delighted today to know that we have

24:39

with us some of our

24:41

champion Australian footballers.

24:44

And I also note that

24:46

one of those people, Peter Schwab,

24:49

is not only very good at putting boot

24:51

to ball, but pen to paper.

24:53

And I remember hearing on three on

24:55

grand final day last year, an article

24:58

of Peters in The Melbourne Age, which provided

25:00

quite a revealing and enlightening insight

25:02

into that one day in September

25:04

from the perspective of a player.

25:09

I'm very pleased to see so many friends

25:11

and colleagues who prepared the ground

25:14

for the service that we have today,

25:16

and those people have already been

25:18

mentioned, and I really do applaud

25:20

the Association for the blind, because

25:22

in those days it recognised the potential

25:25

that was being clearly demonstrated and

25:27

they responded. The association

25:29

assembled the community resources

25:32

over which it has stewardship, and

25:34

gathered the team of staff and vast

25:36

army of volunteers to build

25:38

the service, which is Lindsay McMillan

25:41

has already said is unmatched in this country

25:43

and I suspect, unparalleled in any

25:45

other part of the world. And

25:47

the factors that keep on

25:50

track include the commitment

25:52

and the competence of the

25:54

personnel, as well as

25:56

the strong determination

25:59

of management and staff to work

26:02

with and therefore provide

26:04

a service reflecting the will

26:06

of the community of interest, the print handicapped

26:08

people and two or my

26:10

print handicapped friends listening. Remember

26:14

that a community service

26:17

is for and thus belongs

26:19

to the community it serves.

26:22

And that clearly is the philosophy

26:24

of three. But

26:26

the station can only best serve your needs

26:29

if you make them known. I

26:31

do urge you to

26:33

use the available available avenues

26:36

such as the three comment line

26:38

or. The membership of Victorian

26:41

supporters of radio for the print handicapped.

26:44

Now, finally, I would like to thank you all

26:46

for joining us today, joining

26:49

in this celebration a celebration

26:51

of years of planning, lobbying,

26:54

negotiation, but

26:56

mainly sheer hard work

26:58

from many hundreds of committed Victorians.

27:01

And we're celebrating the fact that now

27:04

three. Melbourne's

27:06

radio for the Print Handicapped is

27:08

in place.

27:16

And that's all we have time for today.

27:19

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27:44

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