0:38

From Vision Australia. This is talking

0:40

vision. And

0:43

now here's your host, Sam

0:45

Coley.

0:48

Hello everyone. It's great to be here

0:50

with you. And for the next half

0:52

hour, we talk matters of blindness

0:54

and low vision. People who have

0:56

low vision, they'll tackle

0:59

it in their own way. They have different, obviously

1:01

different levels of sight, different eye conditions.

1:03

So it really isn't a one size fits

1:05

all. And that was really important for

1:08

us to keep present

1:10

throughout the whole process. Welcome

1:12

to the program. We've got another

1:14

exciting event coming up for you on

1:16

the 9th of May. It's the Impact

1:18

Conference run by the Australian

1:21

Disability Network. I'm

1:23

joined today by the Chief Executive

1:25

Officer of the network, Karen

1:27

Strauss will be catching up with

1:29

her later in the program, so

1:31

make sure to stay tuned for that one.

1:34

But before we chat to Karen

1:36

and finish up with another reader

1:38

recommended from Francis, I catch

1:41

up with Chris Adkins, one of

1:43

the brains behind The Pupil Project,

1:45

a new video series created

1:48

by Vision Australia to highlight

1:50

the everyday experiences of

1:52

people who have low vision in particular.

1:55

And that conversation is coming up

1:57

right now. I hope you'll

1:59

enjoy this week's episode of

2:01

Talking Vision. Almost

2:08

half a million Australians, including

2:10

yours truly, live with low vision,

2:12

which we predict will increase by

2:14

25% by 2030.

2:17

The stigma and lack of understanding

2:19

can be barriers to inclusion, which

2:22

is why Vision Australia is thrilled to

2:24

announce a new project that will help

2:26

more Australians see the world through

2:28

the eyes of someone with low vision.

2:31

It's called the Pupil Project and

2:33

to have a chat with me about the project,

2:36

I'm joined by marketing lead

2:38

from Vision Australia, Chris Adkins,

2:40

making his Talking Vision debut.

2:42

Chris, thanks so much for your time.

2:44

Welcome to Talking Vision. Thank

2:47

you. I'm a bit nervous. It's my first time on

2:49

radio. Welcome. Welcome to

2:51

the big world of radio. It's great to have

2:53

you, but we are talking, of

2:55

course, today about the

2:57

Pupil Project, one of the exciting

3:00

new initiatives from Vision

3:02

Australia. So, Chris, tell us a

3:04

little bit about the Pupil Project.

3:06

Yeah. So the Pupil Project

3:08

is a series of five videos that

3:10

depict some of the everyday

3:12

scenarios people with low vision may

3:15

experience, but also showing what

3:17

people with various eye conditions will actually

3:19

see. So we've got things in there, you

3:21

know, reading a use by date,

3:23

having dinner, trying to order off a

3:25

menu on a wall that's written in cursive

3:28

handwriting, which can be hard for everyone.

3:30

Certainly. Yeah. And Chris,

3:32

who is the target for

3:34

the pupil project, what are we sort

3:36

of looking for in terms of the audience

3:39

there? Well, we created it

3:41

to show sighted Australia

3:43

what people with low vision see, but

3:46

also get a peek at that for themselves

3:48

and actually see through their eyes as

3:50

much as we can. We also developed

3:52

a full suite of informative resources

3:55

for both sighted Australians, but also

3:57

people in the blind and low vision community,

3:59

including ways to be more inclusive,

4:01

learning more about eye conditions that

4:03

cause vision loss and taking care

4:05

of your eye health. But we also

4:07

created a brochure that focuses

4:09

on living with low vision and dealing with

4:12

a recent vision loss diagnosis

4:14

for people in the community. Tell us

4:16

a little bit about the process

4:18

behind how the videos

4:20

came about. I was, um, quite

4:22

exciting as a member of the

4:24

low vision community to be involved

4:27

behind the scenes there. So it was

4:29

fantastic to get some input

4:31

from people out there with low vision

4:33

who had a lot to say and a lot of

4:35

things to contribute. So, you know,

4:38

what was the process like there from your

4:40

standpoint? Well, first, it was great to have

4:42

you involved to be a lot

4:44

of fun. Yeah. We, uh,

4:46

linked up with Amy and Jess from The Open

4:48

Arms, which is just an external agency

4:50

to create the video series in a really fun environment,

4:52

super bright and super attention grabbing,

4:55

so that people can learn more about low vision

4:57

and being more inclusive in everyday life.

4:59

And they were a great to work with, super

5:02

collaborative, and really helped

5:04

us make sure that we had people with lived

5:06

experience involved in the process from

5:08

start to finish. Just making sure what we created

5:10

was really real and authentic.

5:13

We worked with you and a group of others

5:15

who are all have low vision in

5:17

scenario workshops, just trying to find

5:19

these moments that were really real,

5:22

but also everyday, and what people

5:24

who aren't low vision or people who

5:26

are sighted would relate to as

5:28

well. Then we took

5:30

those. We tested them through script

5:33

writing, came back to the same group

5:35

and like, does this feel right? What do

5:37

we need to change? The scripts

5:39

were also written by someone named Imogen, who

5:41

has vision loss herself, and

5:43

one of the video crew members was actually

5:45

supporting his mum through vision loss

5:47

too. And I think that's why

5:50

the end result, the whole video series, feels

5:52

so real because it's all based on like

5:54

real experiences. It was really

5:56

interesting to see the creative

5:59

process behind it, and there

6:01

were a few things in there

6:03

where it's really interesting to see the different

6:05

perspectives and different ways that

6:07

people interact with their

6:10

disability. Like a lot of people

6:12

feel a certain way about a certain

6:14

thing, but then somebody else says,

6:16

oh, no, I have, you know, this experience

6:18

with this certain thing. And it's really

6:20

important to highlight that

6:22

low vision isn't a monolith. And this

6:25

is a great way, I think, to do that.

6:27

So when we were having those discussions,

6:30

Chris, I'm really interested to go

6:32

into that a little bit more because

6:34

there were so many different outlooks

6:36

on what it means to be

6:38

somebody with low vision and what

6:41

that experience is like. So what

6:43

sort of things did the team really

6:45

enjoy from that and really get out of there?

6:47

Well, I think it's clear to everyone

6:50

that people who have low vision,

6:52

they'll tackle it in their own way.

6:54

They have different, obviously different levels of sight,

6:56

different eye conditions. So it really

6:58

isn't a one size fits all. And that

7:00

was really important for us to

7:03

keep present throughout the whole process.

7:06

You didn't want to say this is what all

7:08

people think or experience

7:10

or might see, just because it's not accurate.

7:13

And I think the most interesting

7:15

one to me was actually yourself.

7:17

You brought up the menu walls,

7:19

which we actually ended up using in one of the videos,

7:22

and it was something

7:24

that even myself, as you know, a

7:26

sighted person, I struggle

7:28

with those at times and have to either take

7:30

my phone out or like, lean in and squint.

7:32

I actually did it on this weekend. Yeah. And,

7:35

um, it was interesting to see how

7:37

everyone tackled it in different ways.

7:39

Some people, like, I might ask for help or I'll

7:41

just take a photo on my phone, zoom in,

7:43

step aside and figure out what I want to

7:45

get, I might ask, oh, can you list

7:48

off this menu? I can't see it

7:50

or I'm struggling to read it properly. And

7:53

that one was the most interesting because it felt

7:55

like such an everyday, normal

7:57

experience. Yeah. Pop off to

7:59

the cafe in the morning, get your coffee,

8:02

maybe get a croissant. But

8:04

it's something that people also just wouldn't

8:06

really think about with low vision

8:08

and how there's different barriers

8:10

for different people. And we had a really

8:12

funny description of, you know, someone going

8:14

into the most detailed description

8:17

of what everything is down to the type of bread

8:19

being used. And yeah, I

8:21

someone was like, we don't need to go to that

8:24

level of detail. Just tell me the basics

8:26

of what cheese is it? And

8:28

anything that's important to know.

8:30

So well. That's right. And I sort of with,

8:32

um, where I'm living, I've hit

8:35

the cafe jackpot. I've got three around

8:37

the corner from me, so it's something

8:39

very front of my mind. So

8:41

that's certainly something that's definitely come

8:43

up a lot, which is something I know

8:45

a lot of other people did, um, also

8:48

deal with. So it was so

8:50

relatable. And so, as

8:52

you've said, so every day. So it was great

8:54

to have that included. And it was

8:56

interesting to see the way that the scripts

8:59

kind of changed and shifted

9:01

in terms of, oh, that doesn't sound

9:04

right. Or um, the, you know,

9:06

some, some funny instances

9:08

of how they were sort of wording things

9:11

or it's like, look at me, I'm this

9:13

wacky person with low vision

9:15

and I'm like, no, you can't. It's

9:17

like, let's just yeah, let's dial that back a

9:19

little. Di that. Yeah. Or this.

9:22

Yeah. No. Things like to demonstrate

9:24

contrast. Someone was wearing

9:26

stark white against black and

9:28

all this stuff, which is I guess

9:31

I get the point, but it's not.

9:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was an interesting

9:35

learning process for us all because

9:38

things like black and white, before I was

9:40

at Vision Australia, I was just like, oh, that makes sense.

9:42

That's contrast in like a graphic design

9:44

sense. Yes, but it's just a

9:46

totally different thing and there's different

9:48

ways to get around it, which is why we ended up with

9:50

these really cool set designs

9:52

where it's bright yellow, bright green,

9:54

bright blue, but contrasted with this

9:57

dark blue to make it feel real

9:59

and feel it was all accessible. We

10:01

landed in really cool spot that wasn't just black

10:03

and white. We had some color and some fun in it

10:05

as well. It's important to note this

10:07

was exclusively about low

10:10

vision, so it's about people with

10:12

usable vision in this

10:14

instance. So that could be

10:16

from the cusp of being legally

10:18

blind up to myself, who

10:20

has quite a sizeable amount

10:23

of, um, usable vision. And then

10:25

there's another potential discussion

10:27

down the track of that whole thing of being,

10:30

quote unquote, not blind enough. That's

10:32

a whole other conversation. But,

10:34

you know, there's so much to unpack

10:36

there. So it was great to be involved. Yeah.

10:39

And the reason we tackled low vision

10:41

in this scenario is that a lot of people

10:43

think they understand it, but they don't fully

10:45

understand what it actually means to be

10:47

legally blind or have low

10:49

vision. Yeah. People aren't. Oh, you can wear glasses

10:52

and that'll, that'll do it. And it's like, no not

10:54

quite. No. Um, no. But

10:56

it's been interesting and it's

10:58

been a fun journey to tackle that

11:01

education point because it's something very

11:03

simple to explain. Oh, it just is

11:05

when glasses aren't enough. But a

11:07

lot of people don't know that unless they know

11:09

someone or have been in that

11:11

experience themselves. So it's been an interesting

11:14

thing for us to address in

11:16

such a fun way. How can people access

11:18

the videos from the Pupil Project

11:21

or the other resources that are

11:23

attached to those videos? Yeah,

11:25

so you can head to Vision Australia. Org

11:27

slash pupil Hyphen project

11:30

to watch all the videos. It's a video of five

11:32

series with audio description

11:34

and without depending on your need or preference.

11:37

And you can read all the informative resources

11:39

we developed as well. About low vision being

11:41

more inclusive and learning more about your eyes

11:43

because it's relevant for all people,

11:46

and it's something that I think everyone can take for

11:48

granted, even simple as wearing

11:50

sunglasses when you go outside is

11:52

really important for everyone. Absolutely.

11:54

Well, I've been speaking today with

11:56

Chris Adkins from the team

11:58

behind The Pupil Project,

12:01

an initiative from Vision Australia

12:03

to highlight the lived experiences.

12:06

Of people with low vision going

12:08

about their everyday life. Chris,

12:11

thank you so much for your time today. It

12:13

was a pleasure to have you on the show and

12:15

great first interview. You did a great job.

12:18

Thanks for having me. I'm ready to be here

12:20

more often. I'll love to have you. I'm

12:29

Sam Kelly and you're listening to Talking

12:32

Vision on Vision Australia Radio.

12:34

Associated stations of the

12:36

Reading Radio Network and the

12:38

Community Radio Network. I

12:41

hope you enjoyed that conversation there

12:43

with Chris Adkins about the

12:46

Pupil Project, which recently launched.

12:48

If you missed any part of that

12:51

conversation with Chris or

12:53

you'd love to hear it again. Talking

12:55

vision is available on the Vision

12:57

Australia Radio website at

12:59

VA radio.org.

13:01

That's VA radio.org.

13:04

Or you can find the program on

13:06

the podcast app of your choice or

13:08

through the Vision Australia library.

13:11

And now coming up next,

13:13

there's a big new event to chat about

13:15

involving the Australian Disability

13:17

Network on the 9th of

13:20

May. The Australian Disability Network

13:22

will be holding their annual impact

13:24

conference, taking place at

13:27

the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition

13:29

Centre, and to have a chat

13:31

with me about the conference. It's my

13:33

great pleasure to welcome the Chief

13:36

Executive officer of the

13:38

Australian Disability Network,

13:40

Corinne Strauss. Corinne,

13:42

welcome to Talking Vision. It's a

13:44

pleasure to have you.

13:46

Hello, Sam.

13:47

Now, before we get into

13:49

the impact conference today,

13:51

Corinne, I'd love to hear a little

13:54

bit more about the Australian

13:56

Disability Network and the work you

13:58

do.

13:59

Australian Disability Network is Australia's

14:01

peak body to help Australian

14:04

employers build

14:06

their disability confidence to

14:08

welcome and include people with disability

14:11

as employees and also as

14:13

customers. And we do that by,

14:15

you know, providing them tools and

14:17

resources and training,

14:20

um, helping them write their disability action

14:22

plans, building disability

14:24

employee networks and

14:27

a range of other tools and resources.

14:29

So yeah, it's a it's a it is a peak

14:31

body. It's a member based organisation.

14:34

And it has a whole

14:36

range of members ranging

14:38

from the Prime Minister and Cabinet

14:41

Office, you know, Australian government

14:43

through to state government through to

14:46

our famous brands like Qantas

14:48

and Commonwealth Bank and Medibank

14:50

etc.. So yeah, it's an

14:52

amazing organisation.

14:54

Could you tell us a little bit more about

14:57

your work, specifically in

14:59

the blindness and low vision space,

15:01

for example, with organisations

15:04

such as Vision Australia, who, as

15:06

I understand you've been working with for quite

15:08

a bit.

15:09

Yes. Mm. That's a good question.

15:11

So I think first and foremost

15:13

what I want to say is that

15:15

our work is around all

15:18

people with disability. Yes. And

15:20

so we don't specifically focus

15:22

on particular disabilities because we

15:24

need Australians to be confident

15:27

when they're engaging with people.

15:29

Disability because some people can have

15:31

blindness or low vision and they

15:33

can also have chronic health conditions.

15:36

So we want them to be able to have a conversation

15:38

and make sure that adjustments are

15:40

in place for everyone. But in

15:42

our case, you know, we have

15:45

our internship program for

15:47

university graduates or near to graduation.

15:49

And we also have a mentoring program

15:52

for job seekers or career

15:54

changers with disability.

15:56

And many of them have

15:58

low vision, uh, people with low vision.

16:00

And we work with them and our member

16:03

organisations to ensure

16:05

that workplace adjustments are in place.

16:07

And we support them to have conversations

16:10

that allow for the best experience.

16:13

It's not just the work we have done with these organisations,

16:16

but the ongoing interactions

16:18

we have on a daily

16:21

basis with a community. We've

16:23

supported many people through

16:26

our Directing Change program, which

16:28

is a board increasing the representation

16:30

of people on boards with disability.

16:33

And, you know, we've even had somebody

16:35

from Blind Citizens Australia

16:37

as a scholar on that program.

16:40

And, um, you know, I can only think

16:43

that they'll go from strength to strength. And we've

16:45

worked with Vision Australia and

16:47

they've been a member of our since 2007.

16:49

So that's as significant period

16:52

of time. And we've with

16:54

Vision Australia, they've taken on an internship

16:57

and they've taken on mentoring programs.

17:00

Guide Dogs in New South Wales

17:02

are looking at doing an internship

17:04

with us. And they've also

17:06

accessed our e-learning platform to

17:09

do the training for building

17:11

disability confidence in their organisation.

17:13

And so to his guide dogs, Victoria

17:16

looked at joining our network.

17:18

So those are some samples

17:20

of our engagement with people with low vision

17:22

or blindness.

17:23

And um, moving on to

17:26

something quite exciting. Over the

17:28

next couple of weeks. On the 9th

17:30

of May is the Impact conference.

17:33

So tell us a little bit about

17:35

the conference there and some details

17:37

around that.

17:39

Well, Sam, very excited about

17:41

that. I have to say, we've

17:43

got our awards night on the

17:45

8th of May in Melbourne

17:48

at the Convention Centre and will be announcing

17:51

the Disability Changemaker

17:54

of the year. We'll be announcing

17:56

the disability initiative of

17:58

the year and also

18:00

the Disability Employee Network

18:02

of the year, and also

18:04

our mentor and mentee

18:06

of the year and our supervisor

18:09

of the year as well, and the intern

18:11

of the year. The other thing

18:13

that is huge on this

18:15

night of the awards is the

18:17

announcement of the top

18:19

performer in the Access and Inclusion

18:22

Index. So this is a massive amount

18:24

of work that is undertaken by

18:26

organisations to ensure

18:29

that they are building a really

18:31

inclusive organisation for people with disabilities.

18:34

So we'll be announcing the winner on the night

18:36

and it's going to be great news. And

18:38

then the next day is this conference,

18:40

which has got superstars

18:43

from around the world coming. We've

18:45

got people like the United Nations

18:48

special Envoy for disability,

18:50

uh, United Nations special envoy.

18:52

Her name is Professor Maria Soledad

18:55

Cisternas Reyes, and

18:57

she is a person who is blind,

18:59

a lawyer by background, and

19:02

also was a chair and a

19:04

co-author on the United Nations

19:06

Convention on the Rights of People with disability.

19:08

A beautiful woman in the sense

19:11

of just a beautiful soul, and

19:13

so knowledgeable on the convention,

19:15

on the rights of People with disability. And

19:18

we have Randy Lewis,

19:20

who absolutely changed

19:22

the way Wallgreens works

19:24

by introducing employment

19:26

of people with disability into their warehousing

19:29

systems, and really

19:31

just focusing on getting

19:33

employment of people with disability up significantly

19:36

in wallgreens. And they made

19:38

such a huge difference to their profitability

19:41

as a result. So he's coming over

19:43

from the United States to speak. We've

19:46

got the global lead

19:48

of accessibility at Microsoft,

19:50

Jenny Lefler, coming over

19:53

from overseas. Jenny has

19:55

hearing impairment, but she absolutely

19:58

lives and breathes accessibility. And of course

20:00

Microsoft. What can I say. They

20:02

do amazing work around accessibility.

20:04

There's so much to talk about.

20:06

There is so much on the agenda.

20:09

Just how much time have you got?

20:11

Well.

20:12

That's the thing. We only do

20:14

have a certain period because I

20:16

could talk to you about this for hours.

20:18

It is an absolutely star studded

20:21

event for people to head

20:23

along to. I'm sure a lot of people out

20:25

there are thinking, oh my God, I'd love

20:27

to head along to that. So could you

20:29

give us some details about

20:32

on the 9th of May, how

20:34

long that conference is running

20:36

for, how can people access

20:38

it and where they can access

20:40

it as well?

20:41

Yeah. So the

20:43

conference information is on the

20:46

website. I also want to say in

20:48

an Australian first, because I've never seen

20:50

this before, we have got

20:52

CEOs of Australia's biggest brands

20:54

coming into a room to share

20:56

their insights on building

20:58

a disability confident organisation.

21:01

So their experience, their

21:03

journey and those are the CEOs

21:05

of Qantas, the CEO of Coles,

21:08

the CEO of Australia

21:10

Post, the CEO of Medibank

21:13

and also the CEO of Pacific

21:15

National, which is all our rail infrastructure.

21:17

And they've been doing great work around

21:19

building disability inclusion. And so we'll

21:21

hear from them what it's like as

21:23

a leader to be building

21:25

a disability inclusive organisation.

21:28

So 9th of May, you can find

21:30

the information on our website

21:33

which is Australian Disability

21:35

network.org dot

21:37

a U. All the booking

21:40

is on the website. Our website is completely

21:42

accessible. We are wcaG

21:44

2.2 compliant, so

21:46

it should be accessible to everyone.

21:49

And the program, the

21:52

registration and all the information

21:54

is on there for people to look

21:56

at and to decide whether they want to come

21:58

along.

21:59

And I'm sure they will, because that's

22:01

absolutely incredible.

22:03

The amount of people and, you

22:05

know, the serious star

22:08

studded line up that the

22:10

Australian Disability Network

22:12

has put together all in one

22:14

room, that is an incredible effort

22:16

and something I'm sure a

22:18

lot of people will enjoy

22:20

heading along to. So look

22:22

forward to hearing how that

22:25

all goes. I've been speaking

22:27

to. A date with the chief executive

22:29

officer of the Australian

22:31

Disability Network, Karen

22:33

Strauss, about the work

22:35

the network is doing and will

22:38

continue to do, as well as

22:40

the upcoming Awards Night

22:42

and Impact conference taking

22:45

place over the eighth and 9th

22:47

of May. Karen, thank

22:49

you very much for your time today. It

22:51

was a pleasure to catch up and hear

22:53

all about the network as

22:55

well as the upcoming Impact conference.

22:58

Thanks, Sam. It was my pleasure

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and thanks for all the support.

23:02

It's I'm very proud to be a part

23:05

of this.

23:12

And now here's Frances Kelland,

23:14

with a reader recommended.

23:16

And now on to some fiction.

23:19

The first book today is Life

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Sentence. This is by Judith

23:23

Cutler, and it's part one

23:25

of a series. Chief Superintendent

23:28

Frances Harman has been assigned to investigate

23:31

the case of a woman beaten into a coma.

23:33

Elise has been in a coma for two years,

23:36

and if the hospital switch off her life support

23:38

now, her attacker will be guilty of murder.

23:40

Fran faces overload as she

23:43

takes on more responsibilities her

23:45

elderly parents, as well as

23:47

Elise, a child abduction, the disappearance

23:49

of her only witness, and the growing affection

23:52

that she and her long time colleague

23:54

Mark Turner seemed to share for one another.

23:57

But is this all too much for one woman

23:59

to handle? Let's hear a sample of

24:01

Life Sentence by Judith Cutler.

24:03

It's narrated by Diana

24:05

Bishop.

24:07

She jerked sharply awake. Where

24:10

was she? And what was that noise?

24:12

Had she fallen asleep and crashed the car?

24:16

No, it was someone rapping on

24:18

the driver's window. God

24:21

knew what time it was. She hadn't

24:23

dared drive any longer. That was it.

24:25

Not without a coffee and some fresh air.

24:27

And before she'd done more than cut the ignition,

24:29

she'd fallen asleep. She

24:32

must have dribbled and probably snored too.

24:35

But it was the trickle of saliva that troubled her

24:37

most, an outward and visible

24:39

sign that she'd not been in control of herself

24:41

while technically being in control of a vehicle.

24:45

You all right, miss? It

24:47

was a traffic cop, his Day-Glo jacket

24:50

fluorescing in the headlights of the cars, still

24:52

using the car park even at this hour

24:54

of the morning. Yes, it

24:56

had been about midnight when she'd pulled off the M3

24:59

into fleet services, which

25:01

was where she must be now. She

25:04

heaved herself out of the Saab. I've

25:07

had a long drive, officer. Thought I'd take

25:09

a break. And before I got anywhere

25:11

near my Kit-Kat, there I was,

25:14

sending my pigs to market.

25:17

Nodding without sympathy or humor.

25:19

The young man, he looked about 18,

25:22

dodged back to his Range Rover and

25:24

came back, fitting a mouthpiece to a breathalyzer.

25:27

Thank goodness her parents Devon bungalow

25:30

was dry capital D.

25:33

She blew, as if to clear the last cobweb from

25:35

her brain and then, damn

25:37

it, if she didn't start a flush right from

25:39

her belly up into her hair, it went. The

25:42

night air blessedly sliding onto it like

25:44

ice cream onto hot chocolate sauce.

25:47

That seems to be all right, he said,

25:49

tacking on miss

25:52

as an almost insulting afterthought

25:54

as he registered this symptom of her age.

25:57

I suppose this is your vehicle. Without

26:00

speaking. She reached for her bag, stowed

26:03

in the rear footwell, out of sight of casual

26:05

predators. She always practiced

26:07

what she preached when it came to crime prevention.

26:10

And that was a sample of Life Sentence

26:12

by Judith Cutler. Judith

26:15

is spelt Judith.

26:18

Judith Cutler

26:21

is Cutler.

26:23

Cutler.

26:26

And that book goes for nine hours,

26:28

and it's part one of the Fran Harman

26:31

series of books. And

26:33

she's written quite a few different series,

26:35

all with a female protagonist

26:37

in the lead. Uh, there's

26:39

the Josie Welford mystery series.

26:42

Cold pursuit is the second in

26:44

the Fran Harman series, so

26:46

quite a few. And there's also standalone novels

26:49

as well, and there's just a

26:51

lot in the library, a lot of her

26:53

different series, as I said, always featuring

26:55

a woman as the primary character

26:58

and lots there if you enjoy her

27:00

books.

27:05

And that's all the time we have for today.

27:08

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27:35

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