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Do you need wood? If so, please stop calling me Larry Woods store.

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My last name just happens to be Wood's store, but not every Mr.

0:08

Baker is a Baker and not every Mr.

0:10

Wood's store owns a woods store.

0:11

All right. My phone number is eight three two seven four six would because it's easy to remember.

0:17

Also I do own the website wood for sale.com, which lets you browse a great selection of wood.

0:23

Add would do your shopping cart, fill out a filling address, click checkout, but that was just a project for my web design class.

0:29

I like wood. I love web design doesn't mean I own a wood store.

0:39

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin. Who said you have reached the end of your free trial [email protected] Here.

0:47

I've been talking with the most Come and get people in the world.

0:50

I never even noticed, ah, ah, who ha ha ha.

0:57

We

0:57

are

0:57

legitimate

0:57

and

0:57

we're

0:57

we're,

0:57

we're

0:57

turning

0:57

out

0:57

mega

0:57

mega

0:57

stars

0:57

and

0:57

it's,

0:57

it's

0:57

just

0:57

show

0:57

that

0:57

actually

0:57

you

0:57

see

0:57

great

0:57

things

0:57

happen

0:57

to

0:57

these

0:57

kids

0:57

and

0:57

I

0:57

love

1:12

it. And I think that it's going to be around for awhile.

1:15

Well,

1:15

all

1:19

right. Hello. Oh, good morning. And welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of BTL.

1:23

The show that just might be too Beautiful

1:26

to live fish sandwich.

1:29

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, As

1:31

Jay would say, you got float.

1:35

Happy to be back in the comfortable confines of the nest broadcast center high in the sky above Portland, Oregon, where we're looking at a hazy.

1:43

But as of right now, dry day told you yesterday in Boise, it was declared the beginning of spring.

1:51

I don't know what the story is here in Portland.

1:52

I've only been here for, I've been in Portland for two hours and in that two hours, I have generated two hours radio content.

2:01

And now I'm entering hour three because I'm a content creation machine.

2:08

Everyone did I say it was good content?

2:12

No. Did I say it was content very much?

2:16

Yes. Speaking of which, here we are at episode 3,370 in a collector series.

2:20

The fun begin.

2:21

I want to tell you what's going on with a certain digital company that will take photos of your deceased loved ones and animate them in a way that the person appears in the photo to still be very much.

2:36

Why don't you take a picture?

2:39

I can't decide if this is a really great thing for people to connect with loved ones who are no longer with us, or if it's on the creepier side of things.

2:51

Also, if you, maybe you were one of those people who went hard on the GameStop stock and you lost your shirt.

3:01

How about buying some shoes?

3:03

That is to say, how about investing in the lucrative world of Yeezys That

3:09

cash? Can you really get me out of a couple of jams?

3:11

There was a story A

3:14

week or so ago in Bloomberg business week about a young man here in Portland or in the Portland area who has just had this incredibly lucrative business, selling hard to find basketball shoes and sneakers and apparel.

3:33

And in the article, he, he declined to disclose to the reporter where he might be getting some of his information on what to buy and when and how much to buy of it.

3:48

And

3:48

then

3:48

he

3:48

called

3:48

the

3:48

reporter

3:48

for

3:48

Bloomberg

3:48

business

3:53

week. And something very interesting happened with the caller ID.

3:56

So we'll talk about that as well.

3:59

Plus emails and emails. Oh, and this guy he's actually launching his own streetwear line, long pants, shoes on button-down shirt, whatever he is Andrew Welch.

4:09

And he is joining us right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle Washington.

4:13

Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke.

4:15

Happy part of versary.

4:17

Please

4:17

explain

4:17

you

4:17

don't

4:17

remember

4:17

our

4:23

anniversary. Are we really going to have this trope of an argument on the show?

4:28

I think what I'll tell you is goldfish.

4:30

I forgot.

4:31

And

4:31

I'm

4:31

going

4:31

to

4:31

say

4:31

to

4:31

you,

4:31

Oh,

4:31

he

4:31

goes,

4:31

I

4:31

am

4:31

an

4:35

elephant.

4:37

Is this the anniversary of like your first show as official Cobra On

4:43

March 2nd, 2015 episode number 1807.

4:50

We were merely in the 18 hundreds then episode title, dad, hair, Lucky

4:56

teeth, Luke and Andrew celebrate their new relationship with the infinite guest network and traditional TV By

5:04

overexplaining Their anxieties and getting distracted by Rudy, the dogs barking.

5:09

It's an audio files nightmare March.

5:11

So it was the day that we broadcast our first show with American public media, AKA back then infinite guest.

5:18

All of this was brought to my attention by one Kiki Lolo Who

5:24

apparently I, we didn't start working with her until years later She

5:27

celebrates a very similar APM.

5:31

Aversary she also started with the company this week, which is why she remembered well, shout out to our guy

5:42

For bringing us aboard all those years ago. I feel less bad now because what I forgot was a time when you and I did a thing together, but we were already partnered up.

5:51

I thought maybe this was the like anniversary of like the first time you came on T TL or the First

5:58

time, you know, we did a show together with you as the official Cobra of the show.

6:04

Those would have been worse if I forgot those also you could tell me those were in 1986 and I would say that mostly checks out.

6:11

I have no idea when those dates are either, but I'm just glad I'm only being called, called in on this one, Andrew.

6:18

Well, I'm not, I was just joking. I wouldn't be offended that you didn't remember that.

6:21

In fact, I didn't remember it until Kiki Lolo gave me the heads up yesterday.

6:25

And also if you'll recall this time last year, or if you can just do the math, it was our five-year anniversary.

6:31

And I was reminded of that by one David Kansas CEO of American public media, who didn't, we both get handwritten From

6:40

Dave, Kansas.

6:45

What? You got one too in the mail.

6:48

We get a little hand raise. No, that's it. Congratulations.

6:50

On five years with APM, you don't remember that.

6:53

Wait, Luke, you don't remember the one year anniversary of getting a note from Dave Kansas celebrating five years of APM.

7:02

I don't know if you've heard, but I've had a few things going on in my life.

7:04

It

7:04

out

7:04

my

7:04

email

7:04

and

7:04

by

7:04

the

7:04

way,

7:04

Dave,

7:04

Kansas

7:04

had

7:04

a

7:04

few

7:04

things

7:04

going

7:04

on

7:04

in

7:04

his

7:04

life

7:04

professionally

7:04

as

7:13

well. So wow.

7:15

You

7:15

know,

7:15

Andrew,

7:15

look,

7:15

I'm

7:20

sorry. I don't remember all of these dates and facts and figures it's because my life is just a constant blur of content creation.

7:31

As I said at the top of the show. And I'm not, I know it sounds like I'm complaining and I'm not trying to complain because I've say this almost every day on the show.

7:39

I feel so lucky that this is our job.

7:41

I feel so lucky, Andrew, that this, as I've mentioned before, is the five-year anniversary of us the six year anniversary of us.

7:49

What was it? Today's your anniversary of us joining APM today?

7:54

The one-year anniversary of Dave Kansas congratulating us for celebrating five years of APM.

8:00

Exactly March 5th, Monday, March of 2015.

8:04

Now I am, I am extremely lucky that this is a job that I can actually do and make a living doing it.

8:14

And that goes for all of the things that I have been lucky enough for people to say, Hey, would you like to come do this into a microphone for money?

8:23

Like that's a very, very privileged position to be in that being said, I have just been in a, a tornado of content creation, the last 24 hours.

8:32

That leaves me completely frazzled.

8:34

I can't make any promises about this episode.

8:37

I mean, usually obviously I am highly focused.

8:41

I am extremely detail oriented.

8:44

I'm quick with a response.

8:46

I'm the picture of broadcast professionality you're tweeting while yesterday I would have said professionalism today, yesterday, or maybe Friday when I was really on my game, I would have said professionalism today when I'm off my game, I say professionality, but I've also had 11 cups of coffee because I got up at about four 30 this morning in Boise, got on a plane, flew here, came directly to my house and then immediately started interviewing Andrew Bird and, and Jimbo his collaborator on this new album.

9:21

And then we rolled right into live wire.

9:24

And then we rolled right into this and it's, and like yesterday I was doing a bunch of different things in Boise.

9:29

So I have to apologize.

9:30

My head is a little scattered.

9:33

Okay, well that's all right.

9:35

I should have a second.

9:37

Well, let's see. I was going to go for like 30 minutes on the anniversary thing, but let's see that.

9:42

Can we kind of burn that up quicker than I thought, what else can I offer you?

9:45

What's going on in my life that you would like to know about?

9:49

Do we know when your, do we know when your first episode was on the show?

9:54

I mean, I know your first appearance, you came on to talk about your telemarketing job, right?

9:57

It's Either that it's funny.

10:00

I don't even know this. I came on twice as a guest before I was on the show.

10:05

And one time was to talk about telemarketing.

10:10

Another time was to talk about my runaway note and I don't know which of those came first.

10:15

I don't like being hollered at now cause I was working at Cairo radio.

10:19

I believe producing w you at the time producing you you're in Dave's show.

10:25

And coincidentally, my mom was going through some old papers and she found the note that I wrote when I ran away from home in fourth grade.

10:35

It was a whirlwind 90 minutes.

10:39

No. How long was I? Probably out there? I don't know, three hours, four hours or something.

10:41

I know. Is it got it? Got it.

10:44

Oh, so you, you think you were really out there for three or four hours?

10:47

That's a long time actually for, in a kid brain.

10:50

I came home from school, probably let's say I got home from school, like sometime in the four o'clock hour.

10:55

Right. And I knew that whatever I was in trouble about, I had several things I was in trouble about that were kind of stacking up.

11:02

And I remember, I, I, I just, I had been thinking about running away for a while.

11:06

We lived in the country too. So that made it a little bit difficult.

11:08

I couldn't like take a train to the museum and hide out in the bathroom until everybody cleared out and then have the museum to myself one night.

11:18

I'm actually thinking of a, from the mixed up files of Mrs.

11:21

Basally, Frank Weiler, which is that's the plot of that show.

11:25

I'm thinking from the Robin Williams vehicle a night, The

11:28

museum, right. Which is probably son and two kids ran away or not.

11:32

But anyway, so I remember like thinking, okay, I gotta get outta here, man.

11:37

I just got to throw some stuff in a bindle and get out of here.

11:40

So I remember taking a few apples, I think a couple of granola bars in emptying out the change jar in the kitchen, which, you know, this is the eighties.

11:49

A lot of change in there went a long way. A lot of quarters as good stuff, threw that into a bag, threw all that into my back pack, I believe.

11:55

And then hit the road, walk down Crow, Cracker road.

11:59

And then I think I only went two roads away, but they're long roads to their country roads and then found a place where I could sneak into the woods and then sat by a river and thought about my decision for a while as it got darker and colder you're right.

12:14

It probably was, it was certainly was not four hours, but it was definitely dark by the time You're

12:19

able to observe a change in the light conditions.

12:23

Yes. And those are the kinds of things.

12:25

Those are the parts of the memory that make me think, okay, this is probably accurate because I remember my famous time of running away from home, which really was probably 10 minutes.

12:35

I went down to the end of our street where we lived near Northgate mall and I leaned against a, a fire hydrant.

12:43

And I remember vividly it was dark because cars were driving by and some of them were slowing like, why is there a six-year-old with his arms crossed angrily leaned against this fire hydrant in the dark.

12:57

Now this was Seattle. So it could have been dark at five 30, but I just remember very much what the light conditions were.

13:02

And that makes me think you're probably not wrong as to this being something that was at least a couple of hours.

13:07

Yeah. I definitely went out in the afternoon and then it was dark.

13:09

When, and then what happened was I decided at a certain point that it's time to come home.

13:13

It's time to just go face, whatever I was running away from.

13:16

Think I had some like homework that had to be signed because I hadn't done it or some bad grades with it.

13:21

But I had also recently for the first time in my life, tried to defend myself physically because people had been bullying me and beating me up my entire life.

13:30

But then this kid, Patrick, who lived down the street, he tried it and he was a nerd.

13:34

And I was like, why the nerds can't beat up on the nerds.

13:38

I was appalled by this.

13:40

And also Patrick was supposed to be a friend.

13:41

So I messed up his face.

13:44

Like, that's the problem? When you messed up his face, like you got off a couple of good shots.

13:49

Yeah. Like you D I don't know how to fight cause I never fight.

13:52

And so like, I probably wouldn't, I'd be better at fighting if maybe I'd gotten just a few, like, you know what I mean?

13:56

Like when you don't punch anybody your whole life and suddenly you're curling up your fist or you're like, I guess I'm going to punch you in the face.

14:01

Now I just started messing up his face and gave him like a bloody lip, Black

14:06

eye. It's not funny. Why am I laughing? And the thing is, of course he lived just down the street on Cracker road from us.

14:12

So then one day, and I know I've told this many times a knock came on our front door, right after dinners, like the front door, nobody comes to the front door.

14:23

This is somebody like, who doesn't know us.

14:25

Well. Yes. And it was Patrick and his dad and his dad practically picking up Patrick by the Scruff of his jacket and being like, look what your son did to my boy.

14:33

And then I got in a lot of trouble.

14:35

So that was what I was referring to in the note when I said something like, I don't like being hollered at, or there was something in my note, which I don't have in front of me right now.

14:43

You'd think it would be my, you know, my desktop picture on my computer, but it's not.

14:47

But I think it was like someone drew a needle point of This

14:52

note, which has been read on the show before somebody could find it and transcribe it.

14:56

It actually gives me a bit of a bad feeling. So please make no art out of that.

14:59

But there's a time of year.

15:02

And the funny thing is, is like, as I remember, the temperature was, was, was cool.

15:05

And I, I don't know if it was like fall or if it was just like the end of winter coming into spring.

15:13

I feel like it's that? Cause I think I remember little bits of snow, like kind of around the river, but every now and then when the weather gets a certain way or it hits my nose in a certain, the air hits my nose in a certain brisk way before face masks.

15:26

It'll like transport me there. And it gives me kind of a bad feeling.

15:28

But anyway, yeah. That's why I ran away.

15:30

I kind of, I tried to lay it. I tried to lay on like the hypocrisy part as much as possible trying to make it my parents' fault.

15:37

Like you tell me to stick up for myself.

15:39

Then I stick up for myself. Now Brown did what's with this, but I don't think my parents ever told me to bloody a kid's face in their defense.

15:47

I have so much to say about this one.

15:49

That

15:49

was

15:49

probably

15:49

the

15:49

last

15:49

time

15:49

that

15:49

you

15:49

were

15:49

in

15:49

a

15:49

physical

15:54

altercation.

15:56

Well, this is interesting because I had one other really lame punch that I remember punching my friend, Steve, you ditch in the back of the head or kind of in the side of the head, as he turned away from me, he was trying to start a fight with me in high school.

16:09

And I was too, like, when, like I was just, I didn't know, I was all flustered.

16:14

I didn't know what to do. And again, Steve was my friend and he was about the same like kind of social class as I was.

16:19

And so I remember he turned away outside of a math class to go into the class.

16:23

And then I just that's when I decided fine, I'll punch you now.

16:25

And I punch him in the back of the head and it didn't land really well.

16:28

The problem with this story is Luke, He's

16:31

a listener, he's Now a listener and we're in touch.

16:35

And I was talking to him on the phone about a year ago, or maybe at the beginning of the pandemic.

16:38

And he says, not me. Nope, not me.

16:41

I have no recollection of that. And I probably got concussed from your side.

16:45

It's

16:45

the

16:45

only

16:48

explanation. It's one of those conversations where it's like, I know I am so clear in my head that it was him.

16:53

I believe you remember. He is so clear that it wasn't him though.

16:58

Wow. So, and he's not, It

17:00

was a Mandela effect time.

17:02

Maybe you really punched Steve.

17:04

You ditch in the back of the head and he is forgotten because he's moved into a different time.

17:09

Maybe I punched Shizam in the back of the head and a Berenstein bear was there watching that's.

17:14

Exactly I don't. So yeah, it's just one of those that makes me not trust my memory at all.

17:20

Well, the reason that I asked when your last punch was because of course I have the theory that you don't consider yourself to be a great fighter, but I think that when you, if you were ever to punch someone again, you would literally punch them into space.

17:35

You

17:35

have

17:35

had

17:35

now

17:35

30

17:35

years

17:35

between

17:35

events

17:35

and

17:35

all

17:35

you've

17:35

been

17:35

doing

17:35

is

17:35

just

17:35

building

17:35

up

17:35

your

17:35

cheeks,

17:35

like

17:35

unintentionally

17:35

through

17:35

like

17:35

walking

17:35

through

17:35

the

17:35

grocery

17:35

store

17:35

and

17:35

seeing

17:35

things

17:35

that

17:35

you

17:35

and

17:35

this,

17:35

that,

17:35

and

17:35

the

17:35

other

17:35

it's

17:35

just

17:35

been

17:35

building

17:35

somebody

17:35

like

17:52

me. I rage out pretty often. There's not actually that much gas in the tank anymore.

17:56

You have a pressure release valve. That's what you need to release.

17:59

I've released pressure throughout many failed relationships, Andrew and, and that combined with low T means I pose little threat anymore to the public, but I feel like one day someone's going to cross you and you'll be on the side of justice.

18:14

You wouldn't get into a physical altercation over parking.

18:16

I'm talking about like in the movie of your life, you know, w or the little house on the Prairie episode, PA Ingles, he only fought when it was absolutely justified.

18:26

He never punched down.

18:27

He only punched up and I know you would follow the same principle, but when you decide one day to punch up, it is curtains for whoever is on the receiving end of that.

18:36

Andrew Real like a real, it's going to be punching up.

18:38

It's going to be an uppercut. It's just going to be like, I can see a bigger punch.

18:41

I can see a cartoon of me, like the, like the power bar on the video game of my life is well into the red.

18:47

And then suddenly you let go of the B button and then you just hear the character scream, eyes said, Paul Car.

18:54

And then like, I'm like cut.

18:56

And then I'm like, doc, the trainer in Mike Tyson's punch out and you've just hit select so that my arm is going quick, more quickly on your Mac in this one shoulder, which helps Mac have more power when he comes out of the corner.

19:09

But you only get to use it once per, per opponent.

19:12

I believe it's that, you know, they have an in, in like martial arts, there are these, you know, the five finger punch or like there's the one that's in kill bill, which has probably made up, which is like the, what is it like the exploding, the exploding death, Palm punch or something yours is going to be called the 30 year punch 30.

19:29

It's just put 30 years of stuffing it down.

19:32

So it's a very long-term project to master the 30 year punch it's it takes 30 years.

19:39

It's the mortgage of punches.

19:40

But,

19:40

so,

19:40

so

19:40

that's

19:40

one

19:44

thing. And then the other thing I was going to say is I asked when your first episode was as the official real Cobra, because what would be kind of fun sometime would be to go back.

19:55

If we ever just out of ideas forever, just truly at a loss, we should go back and listen to the very first time you were officially the co-host of this show and just what our interaction was like and how similar or dissimilar it is to how we are now.

20:10

My guess is it's exactly similar.

20:12

My guess is that I said something about your 30 year punch on the, one of you being the official Cobra of the show.

20:19

Well, how many Venn diagram references are there?

20:21

My guess is it is significantly different now.

20:24

I don't think I've ever gone back, really did that episode, but for various reasons I have, you know, stumbled back every now and then, and heard some earlier episodes.

20:31

And I think in the first year or two, I remember saying to you, maybe even on the show, like my job here is so that there's somebody to laugh at your jokes.

20:41

Like I saw myself very much, like as just very much in the sidecar or maybe even in the backseat, like I'm here to bring some energy, you know?

20:51

So you're not just a man in a room talking to himself, but I really tried to like, not butt in, whereas now, as you well know, I button all the time.

20:59

So I think that I really took like, kind of a, more of a backseat approach.

21:04

Hmm. Are you saying you haven't listened back to that?

21:06

Well, I don't think you or I, for as much as we do gaze at our respective navels, I don't think we're big.

21:13

We don't revisit old episodes of the show that much.

21:17

So maybe you just haven't listened to it because it never occurred to you.

21:21

Or is it that you feel like if you were to listen to it, you would kind of not feel great about how it went?

21:27

Well, I don't know.

21:28

You know, the oldest episode I've listened to with me on it that I can remember.

21:34

And this was actually sometime during the pandemic, I went back and I listened to this episode.

21:38

I remember going for a walk is I was reminded and I'm just driving me crazy that I can't think of it.

21:45

Although I think you'll be able to piece this together.

21:47

We had more guests on the show back then, and I was reminded of a guest we had on the show who had just written a comic book.

21:55

And she is a Seattle Forney.

22:00

Yes. What was her book? It was about mental illness in some way, or I think it was called marbles.

22:04

Maybe God. Yes.

22:05

You still got it.

22:08

Beautiful bastard.

22:11

Yeah. That's exactly what it was, can ever do.

22:14

Rescue is remember these occasional details, but I mean, yes.

22:17

Anyway, I remember reading that book in, in anticipation of having her on the show.

22:22

I remember being very into it. I think I even tried to go see her book talk after like, I remember being just very impressed by it and very impressed by her.

22:30

And somebody tweeted about this book maybe last may or something again, kind of springtime pandemic.

22:36

I was, I don't know if your call, I was taking about 10 walks a day, about 10 miles each.

22:41

And I was like, I'll, I'll just listen back to that episode.

22:44

Like just relive the glory days a little bit.

22:47

You, me, Ellen Forney, just kicking it and Talking

22:52

about depression and graphic novels.

22:54

And I embarrassed myself within the F I mean, this is me now.

22:59

Th this is something that we recorded in 2012.

23:01

I'm going to guess maybe 2013.

23:03

And I'm listening back in 2020.

23:06

And I immediately hated myself so much.

23:10

I don't know what I said at the beginning of that, but I was like trying to be funny or overexplain something.

23:16

It was like, torture. I stopped it immediately.

23:18

I could not listen. So I don't think that you would think that the more time that passes the easier it would be for me to like, kind of go easy on myself or be like, Oh yeah, that wasn't bad at all.

23:28

But I didn't like me in that episode.

23:30

I'll tell you that much, You know, what I've noticed about in particular TV TL, as far as my experience of doing it.

23:39

And then my experience of listening back to episodes on the odd occasion.

23:43

And it would probably to be, if I'm being completely honest, it would probably happen if I were mildly tuned up and I just had a thought and I was like, Oh, I wonder what the, I wonder like, Oh, that was fun.

23:53

Or I wonder if that was as funny as I remember or whatever, when I go back and listen to something that I think went well, it never went as well as I thought it went.

24:03

And when I listened back for, to something that I am sure was a major disaster, literally a major disaster, it's never as much of a major disaster as I thought it was.

24:13

It's just the highs aren't as high and the lows aren't as low.

24:16

I can tell you What we were doing at the beginning of that episode, by the way, is Ellen, was there, you know, we're sitting in your studio and, you know, live it's, so she's not live on the air, but you know what I mean?

24:29

Like she's there, we didn't punch her interview in later.

24:32

And so she's sitting there while you're doing the intro and she's listening to all the drops and everything.

24:36

And then she's like, what is that?

24:38

Maybe you played the big purple balls drop.

24:40

You played something by Cisco out the radio gardener.

24:44

Right. And, and then we, the whole, the first five minutes as you just like, kind of emptying the file on all of your Cisco sound and her talking, then me, I think just

24:55

bought

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30

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inch

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stemmed,

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maybe

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little

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less. I like to plant it between plants and upcoming, these just beautiful purple balls, big.

25:09

Beautiful. Wow. Oh, and then that's a nice, You're

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doing your impression of Cisco, sorry that just auto auto fired.

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Cause it was the next thing It's

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in your head. I'm on Ellen Forney is a website.

25:20

Now she does not mention anything about me being a nerd.

25:23

So then, You know, what's interesting about that.

25:25

Just I, I'm not sure if that was literally the drop that I played, but I think I would probably, if we had a, a guest that was in studio with us, particularly if that guest was a woman, I probably wouldn't play Cisco saying, you know, big, beautiful purple balls, which is just kind of like a silly kind of double entendre.

25:48

Cisco is just such a national treasure that anything he says, if it's, if it's a little bit unintentionally, you know, naughty, it just kind of becomes funny to me.

25:58

But like right now, I guess I'm just observing this as like a way that you, and I think, think very differently about how we talk on the show and even the drops that we play now, then back even however many years ago, that was like, I would just never play that drop intentionally if we had a guest, particularly if that guest was a woman.

26:20

Yeah. And my guests, It says, by the way I'm looking at this episode right now is may 26, 2013 episode number 1950.

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We

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thought

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1850s

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were

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a

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long

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time

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ago. But yeah. So, you know, this was, this was probably almost exactly seven years that I was going back to listen to this.

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And my guess is you, My

26:39

guess is you played a different Cisco Drop

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in the intro, then Ellen was interested in it.

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So then you started playing all of them and then it came up and I remember, you know, she thought it was all delightful.

26:49

Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. Even just having somebody who is unfamiliar with the show, sitting in the room with us while we're doing the beginning of the show is a very vulnerable place.

27:01

Yeah. When's the last time that you You've been in that seat because we used to do that all the time.

27:04

When's the last time you've sat in a room with a physical human being and done your banter spiel in front of them.

27:11

Your intro, like it's been easy Years.

27:15

Yeah. Particularly, I mean, we've done it with Camaro Kev.

27:19

Yeah. In general. But that doesn't really count because Camaro, Kevin knows the show.

27:23

I think my buddy Meesha Collins came on the show, but he was also familiar with the program and maybe we just started talking and then later I put the top of the show and I can't remember how that went down, but yeah, it's been a long time, even when you described that, well, we didn't do that with Jeff Garlin Wright from curb, your enthusiasm and the Goldbergs.

27:41

Right. Cause I mean, I don't think we needed to do anything to further alienate him.

27:45

I know he was confused as to why he was at my house to do the interview.

27:49

I, well, no, you know what?

27:52

You're right. I could only book him on a Saturday.

27:54

I think that was a weekend recording.

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And so we booked him on a Saturday and I didn't exactly tell the publicist that it was a podcast.

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And I didn't tell the publicist that it was at somebody's house.

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And I didn't tell them that there were a hundred steps you had to walk up.

28:06

Yeah. We almost lost that one, but yeah, I do have a vague memory of being like, okay, we'll make Saturday work.

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So we did that. We just prerecorded it.

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I think. Yeah, that was, I would say other than Rachel Dratch I mean, the interview was actually pretty good.

28:22

Yeah. I thought, I mean, in fact he said something that has literally stuck with me my whole life.

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Right. Which is if you wear the mask long enough, the mask fits, I believe that was from Jeff Garlin.

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So once he was in the room and kind of talking and on, I thought he was great.

28:34

When he was first entering the house, he looked definitely confused.

28:38

I would say probably I could be forgetting someone, but I would say probably the, the, the, the worst an interview has gone in my time doing this show would be Rachel Dratch from Saturday night, live and 30 rock and a bunch of other things.

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She was in town for the Seattle film festival.

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Cause she was in a film that was playing there.

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And I did not understand this at the time, but she had been cast as the, the Jane Krakowski role on 30 rock.

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And, and, and they did the pilot with her playing the genom, the Jenna Maroney character.

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And so then she was, and I believe she maybe had quit.

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Rachel had quit Saturday night live to do that show.

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I was unaware of this backstory.

29:28

What I knew was that I loved Rachel Dratch on 30 rock because she continued to show up in these various cameos.

29:32

Well, this was a time where I don't think she was super comfortable talking about that because it became very awkward, very fast.

29:39

She really pretty shook up by my questions.

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And then it was like, every question I asked her was somehow intentionally about something that she was more uncomfortable talking about because career wise Remembered

29:53

that incorrectly in my head, because I don't know if I heard, I think I must've listened to the interview at some point, I thought you were just asking her about her cameos on 30 rock.

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And she was a little bit reluctant to talk about it.

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And you later found out it was because she was supposed to be the general role, but I have that wrong.

30:11

How you were asking her about the fact that she was supposed to play Jenna?

30:14

Nope, No. I was saying my memory is it's so fun.

30:20

All of these great cameos and Balkans you do with 30 rock.

30:24

I was asking that question or observing that without knowing the full story that she had actually been cast as the general and that this was kind of in a way, a sort of a way that they were still involving her in the program, but not in the original.

30:38

Okay. I remembered it.

30:40

Well then that's a little bit, I mean, It's

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a little bit on her, right. Or out it's all on her, but I mean like you can't, how are you supposed to know that you're not supposed to ask about her current project, which is doing a bunch of, you know, roles on NBC sitcom.

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And I can't remember the other things, but I just remember this moment where I just realized I have really like that's, I mean, even my cigarettes interview that wasn't great.

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I didn't stop it at any point and go like, do you want to be here?

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Or like, you know, should we keep doing this?

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Or I'm so sorry. Have I offended you? I feel like there might have even been a moment in that Rachel Dratch interview where I was like, clearly we've gotten off on the wrong foot here.

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And I really apologize, but it just, I just remember trying furiously to dig my way out of the awkward hole I had dug and, and it just getting deeper.

31:26

And then seeing Rachel Dratch look across at the director of the film, she was there to promote and maybe it was one of her costars or something of her just being totally and completely unhappy with the interview and, and crying at one point, I think Maybe

31:41

when it was over, I

31:43

I'm, I'm pretty sure that there were tears.

31:45

Now. Here's the thing. That's interesting.

31:46

I happened to catch Rachel Dratch on a, on a, on a podcast that Helen Hong does called go fact yourself.

31:56

It's a great little show where it's the kind of, it's a quiz element.

32:02

There's an interview. And Rachel Dratch was on that show.

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And I, I was listening and I thought to myself, we'll see how this goes, because Rachel Dratch is a notoriously sensitive person about these topics.

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They immediately go, Hey, so you were supposed to be the Jenna Maroney character on 30 rock.

32:16

And she was just like, yeah, I know. And then I wasn't.

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And then I did all these other things and then she was just like, just rolling with it.

32:22

So I am hoping that that means that she has, you know, that, that, that is not as a painful topic for her to talk about.

32:30

But I would also like to say, could you have healed a little faster?

32:34

Well, I'm looking at this now, not to help create.

32:36

I hate the most awkward interview moment of my life if I can center myself in the story for a minute.

32:42

So you had her on, I'm looking at the episode now is our one May 22nd, 2009.

32:47

So first of all, the show is, you know, probably less than a year old at that point or just over.

32:53

I can't, I can't remember. You started in the fall of 2008.

32:56

I think.

32:56

So the show is relatively new at 30 rock is in its third season now.

33:02

So that does change what I said a little bit too.

33:04

So for Dratch her cameo season is probably over, it's probably been a couple of years since she's even been on the show.

33:12

Does that scan with you?

33:14

Like how long would you She only had one season?

33:16

I think it was, I mean, I think she was on the show throughout.

33:20

I know.

33:21

Oh no.

33:23

We watched that show like crazy in this house Was

33:25

one year. So you think they were trying to fill out her contract basically?

33:28

Well, I don't let me look up. I can figure out right now what year, but I'll tell you she was not on that show until the end.

33:33

I mean, maybe, maybe she made an appearance in the last season, which I don't think I watched every, but know that she's not a, that was just a bit they did, I think, at the beach Beginning.

33:42

Hmm. Interesting. Cause I remember her being a cat Wrangler, like, you know, somebody who was, I worked at NBC, but was like sort of wrangling cats at one point.

33:53

I remember her being a, kind of a weird blue character, but that could have all just been in the same season.

33:57

I guess here's what I remember her being happy Valentines.

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The, the, the, the woman of the night that Jack Donaghy is sort of cavorting with Trying

34:07

to getting from the internet. This is a little broad, but it, it, it gets us closer originally shift from 2006 to 2012, originally cast as Jenna DiCarlo, by the way, different last name later recast appearances, and 15 episodes seasons one, five and six.

34:26

So my guess is she's probably in most of season one, those 15, and then maybe it is appears in one episode, each of five and six.

34:35

Maybe I also may have caught her at the especially most painful moment, because if you're saying that season three of 30 rock, it's like, you know, she's, she was cast in this, in this really cool role.

34:46

It didn't end up happening. Then there was this cameos.

34:49

Now the cameos aren't happening, they will more will come later.

34:52

But I think I may have just, our, our paths may have crossed at a particularly unfortunate time for both.

34:58

I, I was dead and didn't even know it.

35:00

We would be fired months from Ron Slater.

35:04

We would be canceled.

35:05

So, so who knows.

35:07

But anyway, I was, it was funny to hear her talk very casually and with great humor about the exact same topics that we had been talking about that had been very, very, very sensitive some years previous.

35:19

I think that, you know, she's probably just in a better place now with her career.

35:22

Hey, can I, there's something I've been thinking about for the past two weeks and we should take a break, but none of this is a bad idea or good idea, or just more work for me, even if it is a good idea, but I don't know if you saw, I tweeted out under the TBTs banner the other day, like a couple of ago.

35:37

Oh, I know I was stalling on the newsletter and I didn't know what to write about it.

35:41

I'm like, what were we doing on this day?

35:43

Like five years ago or something. And so I just went to our website and dialed it up and I tweeted out like, Hey, this is what Luke and I were doing five years ago on the show here, here's a link.

35:53

I don't know if it's good or not. Like, would it be, that's something that you guys did that Jen did.

35:59

I believe she prepped it.

36:01

Maybe you did it like this day in TB TL history.

36:04

Do you remember what the guidelines were around that?

36:07

Because I know. So I think the, the spoof was at first that you were doing that in your show was only a year old maybe.

36:14

And you were probably, if I know Kira radio, you probably were thinking, what can we do to just fill out a segment where I don't have to talk like at the end of an hour or something, I don't know if that's true or not, but should we figure out some sort of structure in lane, like maybe once a week or something do like this day in TB tale history?

36:33

Or is that just stealing Jen's thing?

36:35

Well, You

36:37

know, we've stolen many of Jen's things and continued on with them.

36:40

So that doesn't seem like a big issue to me, really.

36:43

The question is, can we get a listener to volunteer for this production Work?

36:46

Oh, that's interesting. Okay.

36:48

Whoever like maybe whoever is sending us an email everyday telling us what show number we're on.

36:52

Maybe that they can find a friend who will, I don't literally mean it should be the same person, but maybe somebody else wants to send us some, some this days that'd be kind of fun to play.

37:00

Although I will say this when I listened to I'm a big Howard stern show listener and on Sirius satellite, they've got two channels, Howard, 100 Howard, 101 when it's a Howard from like 20 years ago.

37:11

And his voice is higher. I'm not as interested now.

37:16

Maybe our show has evolved less.

37:18

Our show has evolved more slowly.

37:20

So that the boring stuff we were saying 10 years ago is pretty similar to the boring stuff we're saying now.

37:24

So there wouldn't be, you know, like Howard 20 years ago, Howard stern is like trying to, you know, have sex with people through the, his microphone and the speaker at someone's house.

37:35

Like he has like a very kind of specific sound of what he was trying to do.

37:40

And now he's pretty thoughtful and, and puts together a very different show.

37:43

So maybe that's what contributes to it, but I'm just wondering, would people want to even hear TV VTL from 10 years?

37:49

Well, here's what I was thinking. And I'm still not convinced that it's a good idea.

37:52

I was thinking short. I mean, I was assuming that I would pick it because of course I'm so sensitive that I would have to pick it.

37:59

I have to be safe tape for me.

38:00

It also might be a project that just finally kills me.

38:03

Like I just implode with embarrassment going back and look, that sounds bad.

38:06

Yeah. That doesn't, that's an argument against that's a con, but, but I was thinking like, you know, two or three minutes tops, you know what I mean?

38:14

Not, not taking over huge chunks of the show, but just like, Oh, this was kind of funny, you know, on this date we were, we got into an argument about, I don't know, condiments or what have you.

38:26

And we just like play a bit of it, but I don't know if there's enough payoff in that.

38:29

So let's just keep that. Let's just keep let's table that put a pin in it, circle back.

38:35

Okay. I was Looking for the serial show the other day.

38:38

Cause I was telling somebody about how you had put together that amazing intro.

38:42

I just linked to it in the newsletter, I think is somebody listed.

38:45

I was looking for it. I reached out to a certain associate producer of the program who over prefers to not be named.

38:53

And they sent me the info.

38:56

But before that I was, I was sort of combing the TB tale archives.

39:00

And I was struck by two things. One God, we've done a lot of shows.

39:05

Yeah. Just what the hell.

39:07

And then also some of them seem pretty funny, like as I was scrolling through the descriptions and seeing the pictures in the show tiles, I was like, you know, for one brief shining moment, I get it.

39:17

I get why people actually listen to this.

39:19

Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's good for us to remember that every now and then that we're not total losers, but not too much cocky.

39:27

All right. Let's take a quick break. And then we come back.

39:30

We will thank some of the people that have latched onto this idea of TV chill so much so that they're supporting the program.

39:36

Sorry, I just, last thing I just saw, I just went the archives.

39:42

I wanted to see if I could find five years ago today.

39:44

I couldn't. But anyway, the last episode we did of 2016 was titled You're

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listening to fresh. You're listening to fresh ears.

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I'm Doug Davies and it's official.

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We're bringing back. We're bringing back this day and TV.

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Tell history, sorry, go ahead.

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Sorry. All right. We're gonna do a quick break.

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I'm going to mute the microphone while this ambulance goes by.

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And then we'll be back with more TB TL.

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Also. Chris Pratt is then, is there a Holy Pratt?

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Is there a post office in that area?

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Are we allowed to say that also Dykstra is from there?

44:53

I don't know. I don't think the post office is actually in Lake Stevens of the place you go to listen to post Malone.

44:59

I think his place is like out in some other part of, you know, the kind of Northern region of the excerpts of Seattle.

45:08

So I don't know exactly. I'm not trying to be, I'm actually not trying to be like intentionally vague.

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I just literally don't know what the technical jurisdiction he is in.

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And I do use the word jurisdiction intentionally, but, but yeah, no.

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I mean, I Dykstras from that those, all those guys all met at Lake Stevens high, which is also Lake Stevens where Troy lives.

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Thank you Troy, for supporting the program.

45:29

Lucy woo is in Renton, Washington, Lucy, thank you for supporting the show I'm of the S-curves one time home of the fries rip Lucy.

45:42

If you're not busy this week, could you go down to the V Mac?

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That's where the Seahawks practice.

45:48

And could you put a word in with Russell Wilson's camp that we would like him to please?

45:52

And I'm not saying this like the way that Jenny Durkin said, I'm not telling other cities to quote unquote, keep their eyes off of Russell Wilson, masking Lucy as a resident of Renton to go over there and just make the case for Russell Wilson, staying in Seattle, if you could whisper In

46:08

somebody's ear over this hole, You

46:11

know, Over whether or not Russell Wilson will stick around in Seattle.

46:14

Do you really think the path to success is whispering in Russell Wilson's ear?

46:19

Or do you think it's whispering in management's ear to do right by Russell?

46:25

That's a great question. I mean, I just, we're not here to talk.

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I'm the one who brought this up. So it's like, I can't believe now I'm saying let's not get too sporty, but I think we can agree that Lucy is the linchpin of this whole thing.

46:39

Yeah. Lucy definitely has that conversation.

46:41

Definitely. Lucy has to have the conversation. I'm just wondering if going to Russell directly.

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I think Russell knows what's up.

46:46

I think I think management needs to know No

46:49

what's up, but I think that, yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, I haven't really read the details of the story because it makes me feel physically unsafe.

46:59

If you think about Russell Wilson, not being the sector, which is kind of funny because there's a million times where I'm screaming at my TV, throw the ball Russ.

47:08

I mean, every year, since the last time the Seahawks won the super bowl, a team that didn't have Russell Wilson has won the super bowl.

47:15

So it's not like the only possible happiness for me as a fan comes by way of that guy playing for our team.

47:22

But I mean, it is, that is probably Russell Wilson and the Seahawks and me being a viewer is the most successful Relationship.

47:30

I've been a part of in the last 15 years.

47:32

So I've got a lot invested in him and that team.

47:36

So I haven't like, I don't want to re I don't want to read the, the rumors and the, the various, you know, the teams, a list of teams that are on his approved trade list.

47:47

Because if I start to read those things, then they're real.

47:50

And I can't, I can't live in a world where those things are real Andrew.

47:53

Well, it sounds like you're dealing with this in a very healthy way, so that's good.

47:57

No, see I'm just saying the stakes are very, very high for me.

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Thank you also. I don't know what Sarah lung Gino DeKalb can do from Moxy, Washington like that.

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Damn you look Moxy up last year.

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What? On this day in TB shale history, I feel like we looked up Moxie, Washington, because it's such a cool name for a town.

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I'm looking at where this is. It's near a bridge.

48:23

Okay. Yeah. It's in Yakima County, Washington.

48:27

Yep. Beautiful part of the world.

48:29

I would live in a town called Moxie.

48:31

I just feel like you're going to be able to get things done.

48:33

If you live in a place called Moxie, reminding you what the Tri-Cities are.

48:37

Kennewick is one of them, right?

48:38

Richland and Hanford maybe.

48:41

Oh, okay.

48:43

Hanford seems wrong to me.

48:46

Yeah, because Hanford is the name of the nuclear.

48:48

I don't, I think it's where Hanford is, but I don't think it's called Hanford, but anyway, it's it's so Moxie's kind of near Kennewick is kind Of

48:57

in that area.

49:00

Thank you so much, Sarah, for checking in from Moxy, Washington, and then Katherine McFadden is right here in Portland, Oregon.

49:07

No, Catherine met her at a picnic.

49:09

Oh yeah.

49:12

She's got a sister who lives in boss' stats. The Catherine.

49:15

Yes. Got it. Twin sister, right? Twin sister lives in Boston.

49:18

Yes. Two longtime listeners.

49:19

His name is Matthew sarin. Right?

49:21

Maryn, McCaffrey.

49:23

Even in math or in fact exactly.

49:25

God love those McFadden twins.

49:27

Thanks Katherine. Appreciate you.

49:29

Thanks to all of our donors of the day throughout this year for making the show possible.

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51:45

Here I go, once again, look the email every week I've done it from a female.

51:49

No man.

51:51

It's not from a female.

51:55

Do we even, do we mention it Andrew?

51:57

Or do we just let people think they've lost their damn mind?

51:59

What

51:59

do

51:59

you

52:01

mean? Anyway? I enjoyed those top stories.

52:03

Luke, why really anything to me?

52:06

You brought, you really brought it with the headlines today.

52:08

Hey, what do we call that?

52:10

I know there's a bunch of terminology for over the river and past the river and approaching the river.

52:16

But what is it when we not only do we not do the tough stories, we literally don't acknowledge they exist.

52:23

We just, we just are yapping it up.

52:25

And then it's just time for emails and emails.

52:28

And the top stories are it's as if they never even were part of the plan for the show.

52:33

I feel like the stew bot actually has a name for that.

52:37

It's like the power river or something.

52:39

I don't remember. I don't remember exactly what it is, but I'll, I'll text him.

52:44

We have a couple of great top stories for tomorrow's show that we didn't get to today, but we are going to definitely, definitely get to them tomorrow.

52:53

So tune in for that. Meanwhile, what's going on in the email email department, a few actually, since we are coming right out of thanking the donors, I would like to talk a little bit about some of these cities we've been talking about long view, long beach ocean side.

53:11

Speaking of the Stu bought, he wanted us to know that Oceanside, California, his dear wife, Mandy went to seventh through ninth grade there.

53:21

Her dad was stationed at camp Pendleton and the school is often used as an external shot in TV movies like Veronica, Mars, TV, and movies like Veronica Mars and American Vandal.

53:32

So those are some dazzling deeds from our boys.

53:37

I was planning on using those next year when Oceanside comes up again, but okay, Good.

53:42

You have, I mean, I know that we have a policy of never repeating ourselves on the show, but in this one instance, I think it's okay.

53:48

But that brought me to an email we got from Matt who says on Friday show, Luke mentioned the longest beach in the U S being in long view.

53:56

I grew up in Longview. I don't remember that particular dazzling detail.

53:59

I think Luke was thinking of the Apley name, long beach Washington.

54:03

And I had seen that somewhere else too.

54:06

So I'm just like, no. Yeah, Yeah. On Twitter.

54:07

People have been, people have been letting me know and not in the nicest terms that, yeah, I was wrong about that, but it was Probably

54:19

wasn't the nicest terms though.

54:20

It probably wasn't. Yeah, no, you don't, you wouldn't have liked it.

54:23

No, I don't think so.

54:26

Just I need any kind of like correction to be started with.

54:30

I needed to the preface to be TV tells the best show that's ever existed in Luke.

54:35

All of the content that you create, even in a 24 hour tornado of content is good and entertaining and the best that's all I need.

54:43

And then by the way, while you were entertaining us with your amazing delightful personality, there was one small detail that turned out to not be correct based on the current set of facts we know about.

54:56

And that was this, we will try to get the factual record chain.

55:00

So as to reflect what you said, I liked how the Tony Kornheiser listeners talked to him.

55:05

That's right. And, and you know, like, even if you wanted to start it by saying like, it makes sense that you would make this mistake because you were probably you by your own handsomeness, it's hard, exactly handsome.

55:15

And so right. All of the time we understand you're juggling plates, but anyway, so it wasn't that so long beach has a long beach.

55:24

That should be good to remember. But while we're in this whole mode of dazzling details for next year's the next time these places come up, Matt says, I do have some dazzling deets about long view for future reference.

55:35

So write these down to Luke and remember them.

55:38

Number one long view is the largest planned city in the U S East of the Mississippi.

55:45

So it must've been like a com a company town.

55:48

Is that what a plan city is?

55:50

I don't actually know.

55:51

I guess my, my hunch would be a planned city.

55:57

I mean, I know about planned communities, you know, but like a plan I

56:03

guess, would be, there's no city there. And then it's all Sort

56:06

of mapped out before it's built as opposed to a cluster of cabins that are then replaced by newer structures.

56:13

And then we just keep building more homes and then we should, we should put a gas station and grocery store in and things growing sort of more organically that way.

56:20

Yeah. A planned city is something that there's a plan for.

56:24

Yes. It's a plan community plan, city plan town.

56:26

I'm getting this all from a Wikipedia.

56:28

They seem to be interchangeable. And it's exactly what you just said, as opposed to just growing up, you know, ad hoc and organically.

56:34

It is quote any community that was carefully planned from its inception and is typically constructed on previously undeveloped land.

56:42

So that's it. I wonder what the sort of forces were that caused the long view Washington to be a planned city.

56:50

I just must've been some demographic things going on where it was like, or there was some kind of, you know, industry there or company that I don't know about.

56:58

Well, that, that was like necessitated, planning out a city.

57:02

Not that it's a contest, but in the dazzling details that Matt brings us.

57:07

I think this next one is even more interesting.

57:09

Long view has a bridge made for squirrels in it's called the nutty narrows bridge, Luke.

57:17

Oh, you liked that.

57:19

Do you know about the nutty narrows bridge?

57:22

I don't, but I also thought that long view had the longest beach in the world, right?

57:27

The nutty narrows was named by a local council woman after the Tacoma narrows bridge, before the bridge was built, squirrels had to avoid speeding traffic by running across the street.

57:35

They just is so up your alley by a, to eat a nutty feast at an office building and back again on March 9th, 1963, Amos Peter's that sounds like a historical name.

57:47

Amos Peter's actually A hundred percent had mutton chops, Certainly.

57:52

And probably a bit of a booming voice.

57:55

I'm going to guess after seeing many squirrels being flattened, decided to protect the squirrels and give them a way to cross the busy thoroughfare without getting killed.

58:02

The original SkyBridge was built over Olympia way near the civic center in downtown long view, it looks like it was then taken down and rebuilt, et cetera, et cetera.

58:11

So that's pretty cool.

58:13

That's a good dazzle deep for next year.

58:15

Also, I think there is a green day song says Matt called long view about how much long view sucks.

58:21

Oh, wow. I wonder if that day was touring through they're in their early days and had a bad experience.

58:27

Where are they from? Are they, they're a Pacific Northwest band, right?

58:30

No green day. They're from, I think the Bay area, I think allegedly they're from Oakland or something.

58:35

Okay. Okay. I, the, the, the facts that I know about long view are all related to a Columbia Heights Christian school, actually, it's probably not called that the whatever the long view the Christian school in long view is, and that was where the junior high convention would be when I was in middle school.

58:51

And we would go down there and we would take part in all kinds of competitions.

58:54

And I stayed at the, you know, it was the kind of thing where like you would stay at someone's house.

59:01

Like a student from long view would host you like from the Christian school.

59:04

And I remember I stayed with a student and he had an older sister who was probably in Lake, maybe 10th grade.

59:12

I don't remember. I thought she was the most beautiful creature I had ever laid eyes on in my life.

59:18

I was pretty sure I was gonna marry her.

59:19

I

59:19

don't

59:19

remember

59:19

her

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name. I don't remember the name of the person who I stayed with.

59:24

I just remember falling deeply in love with anytime I got to be around a, a girl who I did it, who wasn't literally a member of my family.

59:32

I felt deeply in love Andrew. Yeah.

59:34

And this was one of those times.

59:35

So

59:35

that

59:35

happened

59:35

in

59:38

Longview. I know that about, and that's pretty much it.

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Okay. My main fat lot of stuff for next year.

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I'm happy about that. Let me, can I share with you, Please

59:46

give you one more city related little piece of information that can come up next time we read a thank you to somebody who's in Manhattan, Kansas.

59:56

Brett

59:56

said,

59:56

Hey,

59:56

do

59:56

you

59:56

know

59:56

what

59:56

the

59:56

nickname

59:56

of

59:56

Manhattan

59:56

Kansas

1:00:03

is? It is the little Apple.

1:00:06

Oh, nice.

1:00:07

That's really good.

1:00:09

Brett says, I promise you. This is the town's marketing slogan.

1:00:12

That's

1:00:14

great. I love that Manhattan, Kansas has embraced it.

1:00:17

It's the little Apple Brett.

1:00:20

Copy me on that. That Brett from the U district.

1:00:22

He did. Huh?

1:00:24

Yeah. Cheers. Brett. You're your district. And I'm looking at your email address right here, [email protected].

1:00:29

Yeah. My apologies, Brett, for not looking more carefully at my email.

1:00:33

Yeah. I think that's a really, I like it.

1:00:35

That they're, I mean, to me that that they're embracing it, that they're not trying to compete with New York city that they're not being like we're the other Manhattan, Right.

1:00:43

Washington state style. Right, right, right.

1:00:46

Yeah. That, I always hated that when I started at KUOW and people would say, Oh, the other Washington, I'd always try to take that out of scripts.

1:00:53

And then it always ended up back in the script lead.

1:00:57

Other Washington just seemed like such a pro.

1:01:00

It seemed provincial somehow.

1:01:02

Like anyway, Hey, some listeners, Luke, very excited about the butter talk we did last week, got a couple of emails that the subject line was just butter with an exclamation point.

1:01:13

Did not seem to be a group effort.

1:01:15

Jennifer says, I grew up with a grandma who would not let you eat any bread, even sticky buns without butter, because you might choke on dry bread.

1:01:25

Once says Wisconsin, in case you were wondering, yeah.

1:01:28

The skins that might be why I had a taste for a Pat of butter on my chicken breast as a kid.

1:01:35

And let's not forget festive holiday butter molds or making butter in a jar for the school Thanksgiving.

1:01:41

So

1:01:41

I

1:01:41

did

1:01:41

not

1:01:41

know

1:01:41

about

1:01:41

that

1:01:41

at

1:01:45

all. Butter sculptures are really having a moment outside of the Midwest right now around Christmas time.

1:01:51

I don't know how long this has been going on Andrew, but this year I noticed many times when I was in the grocery store and people were buying these little kind of butter statues for the holidays.

1:02:03

And I had never noticed that being a thing in the Northwest.

1:02:07

I, I certainly, I mean, I even grew up closer to the upper Midwest, you know, in Ohio, I don't remember butter sculptures being part of my youth or culture at all.

1:02:16

Hmm. Just my grandma eating straight butter.

1:02:18

I will say that, That

1:02:21

idea of, I don't know why I didn't put more butter on more things as a kid, because a lot of the stuff I ate was pretty under seasoned and over boiled and not the greatest, but even like just hearing, I'll put some butter on a chicken breast.

1:02:33

Yeah. That would really Zazzle it up. Like, yeah.

1:02:35

Everything is better with, I mean, I don't work for, for the dairy industry.

1:02:39

In fact, I, I have some questions, not questions that I want to interrogate enough that I'm going to stop eating cheese and sour cream, but I'm not saying I'm super pro dairy industry, but I do think a little butter on everything makes it a little Better.

1:02:52

I've been cooking a lot more with butter lately.

1:02:54

Like when I was, you know, I dunno I didn't grow up cooking as you know.

1:03:00

So just as an adult and slowly and surely, I spend a little bit more time in the kitchen.

1:03:04

And what I'm going to say is super obvious to most everybody listening.

1:03:07

But you know, when I used to cook some sort of chicken, often chicken breasts or thighs, I was always like, marinating it somehow.

1:03:14

And then, and then cooking it on the stove top, you know, and lately what I've just been doing is like, Oh, all I have to do is just like melt some butter, brush it onto these chicken thighs or chicken drumsticks or whatever.

1:03:27

And then put that in the oven. Like that's all you have to do.

1:03:29

And it's just so good. It just rounds up.

1:03:31

So yeah, I

1:03:33

learned that from my friend, Kevin Arnowitz who once cooked a chicken breast, just, it was like he just was going through the fridge, getting rid of things that were, you know, soon to go bad and just whipped up this chicken breasts that was just butter and some kind of salt and pepper on it or whatever.

1:03:51

And I was like, this is the best chicken I've ever consumed in my life.

1:03:54

This is like an old, just an old Jewish chicken recipe, man.

1:03:58

It's like not anything special.

1:03:59

I have texted him, not once Andrew, but twice asking him to remind me the recipe.

1:04:05

And he's not getting for this chicken breast over the years in my meat eating days, because I remember it so fondly and we'll want to make it.

1:04:13

And he will each time tell me it's pretty much butter and salt and pepper.

1:04:16

And I have A little bit of like, I, I made some chicken rub awhile back.

1:04:21

I made a whole bunch of it. So I keep it in the seasoning jar and salt.

1:04:25

Sprinkle that on there a little bit too, just to give it a little bit as, as you know what I did, because I did something exactly like what your friend did.

1:04:31

I think on Saturday night, I was like, I just need to, I need to clear out the fridge a little bit.

1:04:36

And so we had a couple of drum sticks in there and a breast, and then I've been baking a lot of carrots lately.

1:04:41

I feel like we've had a lot of leftover carrots and that's not something I was doing a lot pre pandemic, but it's just so easy to do.

1:04:46

And I do love a baked carrot or a roasted carrot, but so I nailed the drumsticks with my usual chicken seasoning, but Genevieve had just purchased some, everything bagel seasoning dude that is used is changing the game.

1:05:02

Yes. So she was in love with these, everything bagels from trader Joe's.

1:05:05

She lived and died by them and nobody else's everything bagels compared as far as like the pre-bought, you know, grocery stores.

1:05:12

And then they changed their deal.

1:05:14

Recently they changed their recipe a little.

1:05:16

So she asked me to get an extra little jar to Zazzle them up.

1:05:20

And then I was kind of eyeing it while I was preparing the chicken.

1:05:23

So I put that on a chicken breast with some butter and put it in the oven.

1:05:27

Very good. My friend, also a little bit of that hit the carrots and it really is asked up there Carrots.

1:05:32

I need to get some of that because there's nothing I love more than consuming too much sodium.

1:05:38

Yeah. And I try not to eat like tons.

1:05:42

I try not to let, like have bagels be a, because I say them weird and B, because they're just so dense from a carbohydrate standpoint, I'm sorry.

1:05:52

There's a car behind traits. Carbohydrate.

1:05:53

Like I try to not have a bagel B like a, a, a really regular part of how I like eat breakfast or lunch or whatever, because again, it's just like, you're eating a loaf of bread.

1:06:08

Now, if somebody wants to eat a loaf of bread, go nuts.

1:06:12

I'll probably eat an entire large pizza by myself tonight.

1:06:15

Andrew, I am not one to judge, but I really like bagels.

1:06:19

But I feel like if I just, if that was my standard thing to eat, like let's say, you know, 11 in the morning when I'm getting hungry or whatever, I would be really packing in the carbs.

1:06:29

And so I try not to, but the idea that I could put that everything salt on other things, even something like carrots and have a hit of that flavor that I'm looking for, but on something very helpful, like a carrot.

1:06:41

Yeah. That's that's the For crime now.

1:06:44

I don't know if I would sprinkle it on a rock here. I mean, you can give it a shot, but certainly on the roasted carrots cooked in there nicely.

1:06:49

Hey, speaking of butter, Jamie says, even as a kid, I, I knew it was decadent, but we put butter on hot brownies.

1:06:56

So it melted and it made butter toast for breakfast with poundcake.

1:07:01

Totally recommend asterix.

1:07:03

These suggestions come with no health warranties expressed or implied.

1:07:08

Yeah. That's Is it Andrew that a brownie, which is itself just a pile of butter and chocolate and is very delicious.

1:07:16

And I, you know, definitely will eat a brownie if presented with one.

1:07:21

Why is it that putting butter on a brownie? Sounds crazy to me when really the brownie is just butter anyway.

1:07:26

Like there's nothing, there's not a lot.

1:07:28

It's like someone saying, you know, I like to put on my pizza a little more cheese and I'm like, hold on.

1:07:31

Right, right. It's not get carried away.

1:07:33

Like sometimes I'm scandalized by the idea of putting butter on a brownie, even though the brownie itself is just butter.

1:07:37

Like go nuts, have fun. Well, let's go She's

1:07:39

example though, because you're putting more like the implication with the pizza is you're adding more cheese before you bake it.

1:07:47

In this case, you're adding the ingredient, the ingredient afterwards.

1:07:50

So it'd be like taking a piece of pizza.

1:07:52

That's already hot, fresh out of the oven or out of the box and then laying a slice of cheese on top of it.

1:07:58

Maybe, maybe that's a better comparison.

1:08:00

Let me get the butter melts though. Right. Because the brownies are Whoa.

1:08:03

True. She says specifically. Yeah. So it melted and, and made butter toast for breakfast with pound cake.

1:08:08

I think I stumbled.

1:08:10

Do you do a lot of cinnamon, like cinnamon toast when you were a kid?

1:08:13

Let

1:08:13

me,

1:08:16

Yes, we did. I loved it.

1:08:18

Wow. Yes. And it's sometimes cinnamon raisin toast and those raisins would get hot in there like that.

1:08:23

And it would kind of, I think some of the kinds we got would kind of split apart along the spiral of the cinnamon a little bit.

1:08:29

I am thinking of cinnamon, like, Oh, bread, not a role, but certain my parents got a certain kinds of that.

1:08:34

I can say, I sort of remember sitting at the kitchen table and you could see, you could sort of peel the bread.

1:08:39

It was like a slice of bread, but you could see where the lines of cinnamon were sometimes.

1:08:43

Right. Well, the way we did it was, it was just a regular piece of wheat bread, but you toast it, you put a crapload of butter on it, then you just douse it in sugar and cinnamon and that's cinnamon toast.

1:08:56

And I, and I, that was like, cause we never had any good treats.

1:09:02

So it was all about like, what is the, what are the treats that you can just kind of make on the fly?

1:09:06

And man, I used to eat so much cinnamon toast as a kid and it's been a year.

1:09:11

So I wonder why I wonder why I don't treat myself to that.

1:09:14

And that was a big part of my childhood. I've

1:09:15

never, yeah, I've definitely never had it like that before.

1:09:18

Also interesting that you're doing it on a wheat bread.

1:09:20

I guess wheat does have a little bit of a sweet taste to it.

1:09:23

More than, than white bread.

1:09:25

My mom just never bought white bread. All we had was wheat bread.

1:09:28

Even now, if I buy white bread in the store, I feel guilty.

1:09:31

Like I've been really getting into making grilled cheese sandwiches.

1:09:34

No, and I like, cause I, I, I learned how to make them from a art sort of our friend and colleague Francis Lam from the splendid table.

1:09:43

So I have a couple of tricks that he taught me.

1:09:46

One is I put onions in there, which is delicious.

1:09:49

You gotta dice them up really fine. But that's very, a very yummy addition.

1:09:53

And then also I use Mayo as the, instead of butter because Mayo has a, like, like a lower smoke point.

1:10:00

Oh yeah. We're kind of talking about that.

1:10:03

Yeah. But for whatever reason, the last couple of weeks I've been really getting into grilled cheese sandwiches again, I'll like watch Chris Hayes's show and I will grill two grilled cheese sandwiches and heat up some tomato soup and sit there, like I'm a 12 year old.

1:10:18

Who, who who's home sick from school.

1:10:21

Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:21

Clearly I'm doing some self soothing, but anyway, I, I, I didn't want to do it with wheat bread.

1:10:27

For some reason I kind of wanted it to be something different.

1:10:29

So I bought some like white bread at whole foods.

1:10:31

And I was like, I don't know. The last time I bought white bread, it just feels so like, I don't know why that's something that in my mind is ranked as like a very unhealthy thing to do.

1:10:40

But it is for some reason, yeah, I, growing up, We

1:10:44

had white bread, but we never had like the mass produced white bread.

1:10:48

My family was like weirdly snobby about certain food items.

1:10:50

And so we always got bakery bread, like, you know, that kind of stuff.

1:10:54

And it didn't have as long of a shelf life.

1:10:55

So if the bread started to go stale or, you know, God forbid if the heels, the heel of the bread would start to go a little moldy.

1:11:03

If it was in there for awhile, we'd take them out and give them to the ducks.

1:11:07

We had ducks on our property.

1:11:08

And so I remember like breaking up the hard bread and, and giving to ducks.

1:11:13

I Think a lot of the cooking that my mom did and even still does is based on how excited she is to find a use for food that has passed.

1:11:22

It's gone past its prime.

1:11:24

So we used to eat so much banana bread as a kid.

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Why? Because once bananas turned black, you can just put them in the freezer and then you can still use them for banana bread.

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We used to, my mom loves making stuffing to this day.

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She, she is the one who's allowed to make the stuffing when we have these family Thanksgiving get togethers.

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And I literally think she looks forward to the stuffing all year round because she can use stale bread in there.

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Stuffing is good though, man.

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Oh, you're, you're not a huge stuffing person.

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Are you, is that waste of calories to you the best?

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Oh, not often. I mean, Thanksgiving is a, is, is a free for all for me.

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But no, the, you know, the best stuffing I ever had was this like sausage stuffing.

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My sister, Liz learned how to make when she was in grad school in Connecticut.

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And it's just, I mean, it's so delicious, but it has like 11 different kinds of meat in it.

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And it's just basically a delicious sausage.

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I didn't miss that sausage Fest, but that's kind of off my list, but like, that's like the best stuffing I've ever regular stuffing is.

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Okay. But it's just kinda wet bread to me.

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Mm Hmm. I do. I do enjoy it.

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I mean, I've had good and I've had bad, but yeah.

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Had you ordered stuffing this Thanksgiving, was that part of your new arrive?

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So I have not had stuffing in a couple of, couple of Thanksgivings here.

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I'm sorry for bringing up a painful memory. Oh no, that's fine.

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Here's what I would like to do though.

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I'm thinking, okay, what do we go out with?

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We've been talking about butter talk.

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Okay. We can play butterfly or we could play by CrazyTown barter fly.

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The member are listening of a mixed butterfly with do the Bart man.

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And so we have barter fly, which I like to pull out a couple of times a year, if possible, finally, a song we have the rights to play.

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All right.

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Well, listen, thank you so much. It's another top story we never got to.

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Thank you everyone for listening.

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Even though many days, we don't get to the top story.

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We appreciate you.

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We'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you.

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So please do join us for that until then.

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Have a great Tuesday, stay safe, take care of each other, mask up and please remember no mountain too tall.

1:15:00

Power out. Do you need wood? If so, please stop calling me, Larry Woodstore. My last name just happens to be Woodstore. But not every mister baker is a baker, and not every mister wood store owns a wood store. Alright. My phone number is 832746 wood. Because it's easy to remember, also I do own the website wood for sale dot com, which lets you browse a great selection of wood at Wood to your shopping cart. Fill out a filling address. Click checkout. But that was just a project for my web design class. I like wood. I love web design. Doesn't mean I own a wood store. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said you have reached the end of your free trial membership at benjamins dot com. Here, I've been talking with the most intelligent people in the world. I never even know what it's ha. We are legitimate and we're we're, we're turning out mega mega stars and it's, it's just show that actually you see great things happen to these kids and I love are legitimate and we're we're we're turning out mega mega stars and it's It's just show that actually you see great things happen to these kids and I love it and think that it's gonna be around for well, alright. Hello. Good morning, and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBTL. The show that just might be too beautiful to live. Is it too early to fish damage? My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. As Jay would say, he got flop. Happy to be back in the comfortable confines of the nest broadcast center high in the sky above Portland, Oregon, where we're looking at a to be back in the comfortable confines of the nest broadcast center high in the sky above Portland, Oregon -- No worries. -- where we're looking at it. A hazy but as of right now dry day told you yesterday in Boise it was declared the beginning of spring. I don't know what story is here in Portland. I've only been here for I've been in Portland for two hours and in that two hours, I have generated two hours. Radio content. And now I'm entering hour three because I'm a content creation machine, everyone. Did I say it was good content? No. Did I say it was content? Very much yes. To be of which here we are at episode three thousand three hundred and seventy in a collector series. Let the fun begin. I wanna tell you what's going on with this a certain digital company that will take photos of your deceased loved ones and animate them in a way that the person appears in the photo to still be very much alive. Why don't you take a picture of a life longer? I can't decide if this is a really great thing for people to connect with loved ones who are no longer with us, or if it's on the creepier side of can't decide if this is a really great thing. For people to connect with loved ones who are no longer with us or if it's on the creepier side of things. Also, if you maybe you're one of those people who went hard on the game stock stock. And you lost your shirt. How about buying some shoes? That is to say, how about investing in the lucrative world? Of Yeezy's. That cash could really get me out of a couple of jams. There was a story A week or so ago in Bloomberg business week about a young man here in Portland or in the Portland area who has just had this incredibly lucrative business, selling hard to find basketball shoes and sneakers and week or so ago in Bloomberg Business Week about AAA young man here in Portland or in the Portland area. Who has just had this incredibly lucrative business selling hard to find basketball shoes and sneakers and apparel and in the article. He he declined to disclose to the reporter. Where he might be getting some of his information on what to buy and when and how much to buy of it. And then he called the reporter for Bloomberg Business Week and something very interesting happened with the caller ID. So we'll talk about that. As well. Plus emails and emails and females, oh, and this guy. He's actually launching his own street wear line, long pants, shoes on, button down shirt, whatever. He is Andrew Walsh, and he is joining us right now from the Roosevelt Neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke, TBTLaversary. explain. You don't remember our anniversary. Are we really gonna have this trope of an argument on the show? I think what I'll tell you is Goldfish, I forgot. I'm gonna say to you. Oh my gosh. I am an elephant. What is this the anniversary of, like, your first show as official COBRA on March second twenty fifteen episode number Eighteen o seven. We were merely in the 18 hundreds then episode title, dad, hair, merely in the eighteen hundreds then episode titles. Dad hair and lucky teeth. Luke and Andrew celebrate their new relationship with the infinite guest network and traditional TV TL fashion by over explaining their anxieties and getting distracted by Rudy the dogs barking. It's an audio files nightmare. March I see it so was the day that we broadcast our first show with American public 30Year, AKA back then, Infinite Guest. All of this was brought to my attention. But by one kiki lolo who apparently I We didn't start working with her until years later, but she celebrates a very similar eight PMiversary. She also started with the company this week, which is why she remembered. Well, shout out to our guy For bringing us aboard all those years ago, I feel less bad now. Because what I forgot was a time when you and I did a thing together, but we were already partnered up. I thought maybe this was the, like, anniversary of, like, the first time you came on TBTL or the first time, you know, we did a show together with you as the official COBRA of the show. Those would have been worse if I forgot those. Also, you could tell me those were in nineteen eighty six and I would say that mostly checks out. I have no idea when those dates are either, but I'm just glad I'm only being called, called in on this one, have no idea when those dates are either, but I'm just glad I'm only being called called in on this one, Andrew. Yeah. Well, I'm not I was just joking. I wouldn't be offended that you didn't remember that. In fact, I didn't remember it until Kiki Lilo gave me the heads up yesterday. And also, if you recall this time last year or if you can just do the math, it was our five year anniversary. And I was reminded of that by one David Kansas CEO of American public media, who didn't, we both get handwritten I was reminded of that by one David Kansas CEO of American public media who why? Didn't we both get handwritten notes from Dave Kansas? What? You got one too. In the mail, we got a little handwritten note that said congratulations on five years with eight PM. You don't remember that. Wait, Luke, you don't remember the one year anniversary of getting a note from Dave Kansas celebrating five years of APM? I don't know if you've heard, but I've had a few things going on in my have even heard, but I've had a few things going on in my life, which may have blotted out my email. And by the way, Dave Kansas had a few things before I got in his life professionally as well. So, wow. You know, Andrew, Look, I'm sorry, I don't remember all of these dates and facts and figures. It's because my life is just a constant blur of content creation, as I said at the top of the show. And I'm not I know it sounds like I'm complaining, and I'm not trying to complain because I say this almost every day on the show, I feel so lucky that this is our job. I feel so lucky, Andrew, that this as I've mentioned before is the five year anniversary of us. The six year anniversary of us. What was it? Today's anniversary of us joining APM. Today is the one year anniversary of Dave Kansas congratulating us for celebrating five years of APM. Exactly. March fifth, Monday, March fifth of two thousand and fifteen. No. I am I am extremely lucky that this is a job that I can actually do and make a living doing it. And and that goes for all of the things that I have been lucky enough for people to say, hey, would you like to come do this? Into microphone for money. Like, that's a very very privileged position to be in. That being said, I have just been in a a tornado of content creation the last twenty four hours that leaves me completely frazzled. I can't make any promises about this episode. I mean, usually, obviously, I am highly focused. I am extremely detail oriented. I'm quick with a spots. I'm I'm in the picture of broadcast professionally. You're tweeting. Wow. Yesterday, I would have said professionalism. Mhmm. Today yesterday, or maybe Friday when I was really on my game, I would have said professionalism. Today when I'm off my game, I say, professionality. Mhmm. But I've also had eleven cups of coffee because I got up at about four thirty this morning in Boise, got on a plane, flew here, came directly to my house and then immediately started interviewing Andrew Bird and and a jimbo, his collaborator on this new album, and then we rolled right into live wire, and then we rolled right into this. And it's and, like, yesterday, I was doing a bunch of different things in Boise. So I I have to apologize. My head is a little scattered right now. Okay. Well, that's alright. I should have a second well, let's see. I was going to go for, like, thirty minutes on the anniversary thing, but let's see. That kinda kinda burn that up quicker than I thought. What else can I offer you? What's going on in my life that you would like to know about? I don't know what you're Do we know when your first episode was? On the show. I mean, I know your first appearance, you came on to talk about your telemarketing job. Right? Either that, it's funny. I don't even know this. I came on twice as a guest before I was on the show. And one time was to talk about telemarketing, another time was to talk about my runaway note. And I don't know which of those came first. don't like being hollered at note. Because I was working at Cairo Radio, I believe, producing you at the time, producing you you were in Dave's show. And, coincidentally, my mom was going through some old papers and she found the note that I wrote when I ran away from home in fourth grade. It was Worldwind ninety minutes. Now how long was I probably out there? I don't know. Three hours, four hours or something. Oh, I know. It got it got I bet you it was there. Oh, so you, you think you were really out there for three or four so you you think you were really out there for three four hours. That's a long time actually for in a kid brain. I came home from school, probably let's say I got home from school, like sometime in the four o'clock came home from school, probably let's say I got home from school, like, sometime in the four o'clock Right? And I knew that whatever I was in trouble about, I had several things I was in trouble about that were kind of stacking up. And I remember I can't I had just I had been thinking about running away for while. We lived in the country too, so that made it a little bit difficult. I can, like, take a train to the museum and hide out in the bathroom until everybody cleared out and then have the museum to myself. What and I I'm actually thinking of from the mix up files of missus Basilique Frank Weiler, which is that's the plot of that show. I was thinking from the Robin Williams a vehicle at night at the museum. Right? Which is probably One and two kids ran away or not. But, anyway so I remember, like, thinking, okay. I I gotta get out of here, man. I just gotta throw some stuff in a bundle and get out here. So I remember taking a few apples. I think a couple of granola bars in emptying out the change jar in the kitchen, which, you know, this is the eighties. A lot of change in there went a long way. A lot of quarters is good stuff. Threw that into a bag, threw all that into my backpack, I believe, and then hit the road, walk down, drop a cracker road, And then I think I only went two roads away, but their long roads, their country roads, and then found a place where I could sneak into the woods. And then sat by a river and thought about my decision for while as it got darker and colder. You're right. It probably wasn't it certainly was not four but it was definitely dark by the time. Yeah. The fact that you were able to observe a change in the light conditions. Yes. And those are the kind of things those are the parts of the memory that make me think, okay, this is probably accurate because I remember my famous time of running away from home, which really was probably ten minutes. I went down to the end of our our street where we lived near Northgate Mall, and I leaned against a a fire hydrant. Oh, right. And I remember vividly it was dark because cars were driving by and some of them were slowing. Like, why is there a six year old with his arms crossed angrily leaned against this fire hydrant in the dark. Now this was Seattle, so it could have been dark at five thirty. But I just remember very much what the light conditions were. were. And that makes me think you're probably not wrong as to this being something that was at least a couple of And that makes me think you're probably not wrong as to this being something that was at least a couple of Yeah. I definitely went out in the afternoon and then then it was dark when and then what happened was I decided at a certain point that it's time to come home. It's time to just go face whatever I was running away from. Thing I had some, like, homework that had to be signed because I hadn't done it or some bad grades with it. But I had also recently for the first time in my I've tried to defend myself physically because people had been bullying me and, you know, beating me up my entire life within this kid, Patrick, who lived down the street, he tried it and he was a nerd and I was like, what? Look at The nerds can't beat up on the nerds. I was appalled by this, and also Patrick was supposed to be a friend. So I messed up his face. Like, that's the that's the problem when you know it. Messed up his face. Like, you got off a couple of good shots. Yeah. Like, you'd when don't know how to fight because I never and so, like, I I probably would I'd be better at fighting if maybe I'd gotten just a few like, you know what I mean? Like, when you don't punch anybody your whole life and suddenly you're curling up your fist, you're like, I guess I'm gonna punch you in the face and I just started messing up his face and gave him, like, a bloody lip and a black eye. It's not It's not funny. Why am I laughing? And the thing is of course, he lived just down the street on Cracker Road from us, so then one day, and I know I've told this many times, a knock came on our front door right after dinners, like, the front door? Nobody comes to the front door. This is somebody like who doesn't know what's wearing to do. Yes. And it was Patrick and his dad and his dad practically picking up Patrick by the scruff of his jacket and being like, look, what your son did to my boy? And then got a lot of trouble, so that was what I was referring to in the note when I said something like I don't like being hollered at or there is something in my note, which I don't have in front of me right now. You'd think it would be my, you know, my desktop picture on my computer, but it's not. But I think it was like Can someone make Andrew a needle point -- No. Don't. -- of this note, which has been read on the show before somebody could find it and trans scrap it. It actually gives me a bit of a bad feeling. So please make no art out of So please make no art out of that. But there's a time of year, and the funny thing is, like, as I remember, the temperature was was was cool. And I I don't know if it was like fall or if it was just like the end of winter coming into spring. I feel like it's that? Cause I think I remember little bits of snow, like kind of around the river, but every now and then when the weather gets a certain way or it hits my nose in a certain, the air hits my nose in a certain brisk way before face I think I remember little bits of snow, like, kind of around the river. But every now and then when the weather gets a certain way or it hits my nose in a certain the air hits my nose in a certain brisk way before face masks. It'll, like, transport me there and it gives me kind of a bad feeling. But anyway, yeah, that's why I ran away. I kinda I tried to lay it. I tried to lay on, like, the the hypocrisy part as much as possible. Try to make it my parents' fault. Like, You tell me to stick up for myself, then I stick up for myself, then I'm browned, what's with this? But I don't think my parents ever told me to bloody a kid's face in their defense. I have so much to say about this have so much to say about this. One, that was probably the last time that you were in a physical altercation. Well, this is interesting because I had one other really lame punch that I remember punching my friend, Steve Eutich, in the back of the head or kind of in the side of the head as he turned away from me. He was trying to start a fight with me in high school. And I was too late Wim like, I was just I didn't know I was all flustered, and I didn't know what to do. And again, Steve was my friend, and he was about the same, like, kind of, social classes I was. And so I remember he turned away outside of a math class and to go into the class and then I just that's when I decided fine. I'll punch you now and I punch him the back of the head and it didn't land really well. The problem with this story is Luke, he's a listener. He's now a listener and we're in touch and I was talking to him on the phone about ago or maybe the beginning of the pandemic, and he says, not me. Nope. Not me. I have no recollection of that. And I probably got and cusp from your point. It's the only explanation. It's one of those conversations where it's like, I know I am so clear in my head that was him. Oh, I believe you remember. He is so clear that it wasn't him, though. Wow. So and he he's not maybe it was a Mandela affect time to which Yeah. Maybe you really punched Steve Eutych in the back of the head, and he has forgotten because he's moved into a different time stream. Maybe I punched Shazam in the back. Back of the head and a Berenstine bear was there watching. That's exactly I don't so yeah. It's just one of those things. Me not trust my memory all. Well, the reason that I asked when your last punch was because of course I have the theory that you don't consider yourself to be a great fighter, but I think that when you, if you were ever to punch someone again, you would literally punch them into the reason that I asked when your last punch was because of course, I have the theory that you don't consider yourself to be a great fighter. But I think that when you if you were ever to punch someone again, you would literally punch them into space. You've said that before. You have had now thirty years between events. And all you've been doing is just building up your chi. Like, unintentionally through, like, walking through the grocery store and seeing things that frustrate you and this, that, and the other, it's just been building. Somebody like me, I rage out pretty off and there's not actually that much gas in the tank anymore. You have a pressure 30Year valve. That's what you I've been releasing I've released pressure throughout many failed relationships, Andrew. And that combined with low t means I I pose little threat anymore to the public. But I feel like one day someone's gonna cross you, and and you'll be on the side of justice. You wouldn't get into a physical altercation over parking. I'm talking about, like, in the movie of your life, you know, or the Little House on the Prairie episode, Paul Ingalls, he only fought when it was absolutely justified. He never punched down he only punched up. And I and I know you would follow the same principle, but when you decide one day to punch up, it is curtains for whoever is on the deleaving end of that, Andrew. Because it's gonna be, like, a real it's gonna be punching up. It's gonna be an upper cut. just gonna be, like, a heavier punch. I can see a cartoon of me. Like, the like, the power bar on the video game of my life is well into the red and then suddenly you let go of the b button and then you just hear the character scream I said, polite car. And then, like, a I'm, like, cut. And then I'm, like, doc, the trainer, and Mike Tyson's punch out. And you just hit select so that my arm is going quick more quickly on your your Mac in this one shoulder, which helps Mac have more power when comes out of the corner, but you only to use it once -- Mhmm. -- per per opponent, I believe. It's that you know, they have in in like martial arts, there are these you know, the the five finger punch or, like, there's the one that's in kill bill, which is probably made up, which is like the what is it like the exploding the exploding death palm punch or something. Yours is gonna be called the thirty year punch. Thirty years of stuffing it down. It's it's a it's a a very long term project to master the thirty year punch. Yeah. It's it takes thirty years. It's the mortgage of It's the mortgage of punches. But so that's one thing. And then the other thing I was gonna say is, I asked when your first episode was as the official real Kobro because what would be kind of fun sometime would be to go back if we're ever just out of ideas. If we're ever just truly at a loss, we should go back and listen to the very first time you were officially the cohost of this show and just what our interaction was like and how similar or dissimilar it is to how we are now. My guess is it's exactly similar. My guess is that I said something about your thirty year punch on day one. You being the official co bro of the show. Well, how many then diagram references are there? My guess is it is significantly different. Now, I don't think I've ever gone back really to that episode, but for very reasons I have, you know, stumbled back every now and then and heard some earlier episodes. And I think in the first year or two, I remember saying to you, maybe even on the show, like, my job here is so that there's somebody to laugh at your jokes. Like, I saw myself very much like as just very much in the sidecar or maybe even in the back seat. Like, I'm here to bring some energy, you know, so you're not just a in a room talking to himself. But I really tried to, like, not butt in whereas now as you well know, I butt in all the time. So I think that I really took, like, kind of a more of a back seat approach. Hmm. Are you saying you haven't listened back to you saying you haven't listened back to that? Well, I don't think you or I for as much as we do gaze at our respective navels, don't think we're big. We don't revisit old episodes of the show that much. So maybe just haven't listened to it because it never occurred to you, or is it that you feel like if you were to listen to it, you would kinda not feel great about how it went. Well, I don't know. You know, the the oldest episode I've listened to with me on it that I can remember. And this was actually sometime during the pandemic. I went back and I listened to this episode. I remember going for a walk is I was reminded and I'm just driving me crazy that I can't think of it, although think you'll be able to piece this together. We had more guests on the show back then. And I was reminded of a guest we had in the show who had just written a comic book, and she is a Seattle -- Right. -- California. Forney. Yes. What was her book? It was about mental illness in some way, or I think it was called was about mental illness in some way or it was a short I think it was called marbles maybe. God. Yes. You still got it. You're beautiful bastard. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly what it was, can ever That's exactly what the one I can ever do to impress you remember the occasional detail, but I mean, yes. Anyway, I remember reading that book in in anticipation of having her on the show. I remember being very into it. think I even tried to go see her book talk after, like, I remember being just very impressed by it and very impressed by her. And somebody tweeted about this book maybe last May or something. Again, kind of springtime pandemic. I was I I don't know if your call was taking about ten walks a day, about ten miles else each. No. And I was like, I'll I'll just listen back to that episode. Like, just relive the glory days little bit. You, me, Elyn Forney just kicking in and talking about depression and graphic novels. And I embarrassed myself within the I I mean, this is me now. This is something that we recorded in two thousand twelve. I'm gonna guess twenty thirteen. And I'm listening back in twenty twenty and I immediately hated myself so much. I don't know what I said at the beginning of that, but I was like trying to be funny or overexplain I don't know what I said at the beginning of that, but I was, like, trying to be funny or overexplain something, it was like torture. I stopped it immediately. I could not listen. So I don't think you would think that the more time that passes, the easier it would be for me to, like, kinda go easy on myself or be, like, oh, yeah, that wasn't bad all. But I didn't like me in that at all. But I didn't like me in that episode. I'll tell you that much. You know what I've noticed about in particular TBTL as far as my experience of doing it and then my experience of listening back to episodes. On the odd occasion, and it would probably to be if I'm being completely honest, it would probably happen if I were mildly tuned up, and I just had a thought. And I was like, oh, I wonder what the I wonder like, oh, that was fun or I wonder if that was as funny as I remember or whatever. When I go back and listen to something that I think went well, it never it went as well as I thought it went. And when I listen back first to something that I am Sure was a major disaster, literally a major disaster. It's never as much of a major disaster as I thought it was. It's just the highs aren't as high and the lows aren't as low. I can tell you what we are doing at the beginning of that episode, by the way, is Ellen was there, you know, we're sitting in your studio and, you know, live. And so she's not live on the air. But you know what I mean? Like, she's there. We didn't punch her interview in later. And so she's sitting there while you're doing the intro and she's listening to all the drops and everything. And then she's like, what is that Maybe you played the big purple balls drop. You played something by Cisco -- Wow. -- the the radio Gartner. Right? And And then we the whole the first five minutes is you just, like, kind of emptying the file on all of your Cisco sound. And her talking than me, I think, just -- Oh. -- wedging. I love it. There you go. And then missus Mitchell, I will Liam. About thirty inch trail stems maybe little less. I like the plating between plants and up come these just beautiful purple balls Big beautiful -- Wow. -- and it's gonna be You're doing your impression of Cisco, sorry that just auto auto doing your impression of Cisco. Sorry that just auto auto five because it was the next thing. That gets in your head. I'm on Ellen Fordy's website now. She does not know anything about me being a nerd, so that's good. You know what's interesting about that? Just I I'm not sure if that was literally the drop that I played, but I think I would probably if we had a a guest that was in studio with us, particularly that guest was a woman. I probably wouldn't play Cisco saying, you know, big beautiful purple balls, which is just kind of like a silly kind of double entendro. Cisco is just such a national treasure that anything he says if it's if it's a little bit unintentionally, you know, naughty. It just kind of becomes funny to me. Mhmm. But, like, right now, I guess I'm just observing this as like a way that you and I, I think, think very differently about how we talk on the show and even the drops that we play. Now than back even however many years ago that was. Like, I would just never play that drop intentionally if we had a guest, particularly if that guest was a woman. Yeah. And my guess is, by the way, I'm looking at this episode right now is May twenty six. Twenty thirteen episode number thirteen fifty. We thought eighteen fifties were a long time ago. But yeah. So, you know, this was, this was probably almost exactly seven years that I was going back to listen to So You know, this is this was probably almost exactly seven years that I was going back to listen to this. And my guess is you'd my guess is you played a different Cisco drop in the intro, and then Ellen was interested in it. So then you started playing all of them and then it came up. And I remember, you know, she thought it was all delightful and funny. Yeah. Even just having somebody who is unfamiliar with the show, sitting in the room with us while we're doing the beginning of the show is a very vulnerable Even just having somebody who is unfamiliar with the show sitting in the room with us while we're doing the beginning of the show is a very vulnerable place. Yeah. When's the last time that you've You've been in that seat because we used to do that all the been in that suit? Because we used to do that all the time. When's the last time you've sat in a room with a physical human being and done your banter spiel in front of them, your intro. Like, it's been years Yeah. Particularly I mean, we've done it with Comerocove -- Yeah. -- Ingenics. But that doesn't really count because Comerocove knows show. Mhmm. I think my buddy, Nisha Collins, came on the show, but he was also familiar with the program. And maybe we just started talking. And then later, I put the top of the show, and I can't remember how that went down. But, yeah, it's been a long time. And even when you described that well, we didn't do that with Jeff Garland. Right? From curb your enthusiasm in Goldbergs. Right? Because, I mean, I don't think we needed to do anything to further alienate him. I don't know. He was confused as to why he was at a house to do the interview? I oh, well, no. You know what? You're right. I could only book him on a Saturday. I think that was a weekend recording, and so we booked him on a Saturday. And I didn't exactly tell the publicist that it was a podcast, and I didn't tell the publicist that it was at somebody's house, and I didn't tell them that there were a hundred steps you had to walk up. Yeah. We almost lost that one. But, yeah, I do have a vague memory of of being, like, okay. We'll make Saturday work. So we did that we just prerecorded it, I think. Yeah. That was I would say, other than Rachel Dratch I mean, the interview was actually pretty good. Yeah. I thought mean, in fact, he said something that has literally stuck with me my whole life. Right? Which is if you wear the mask long enough, the mask fits -- Mhmm. -- I believe that was from Jeff Garland. Mhmm. So once he was in the room and kind of talking and on, I thought he was great. When he was first entering the house, he looked definitely confused. Mhmm. I would say probably I could be forgetting someone, but I would say probably the The worst an interview has gone in my time doing this show would be Rachel Dratch. From Saturday Night Live and Thirty Rock and a bunch of other things. She was in town for the Seattle film festival because she was in a film that was playing there. And I did not understand this at the time. But she had been cast as the the Jane Krakowowski role on thirty rock. And and and and they did the pilot with her playing the denim the denim Maroni character. And so then she's and I believe she maybe had quit Rachel had quit Saturday Night Live to do that show. I was unaware of this backstory. What I knew was that I loved Rachel Dratch on Thirty Rock because she continued to show up in these various cameos. Well, this was a time where I don't think she was super comfortable talking about that because it became very awkward, very fast. She was really pretty shooken up by my questions. And then it was, like, every question I asked her, was somehow intentionally about something that she was more uncomfortable talking about. Because, you know, I think I'm remember that incorrectly. In my head because I don't know if I heard I think I must have listened to the interview at some point. I thought you were just asking her about her cameos. I'm thirty rock, and she was a little bit reluctant to talk about it. And you later found out is because she was supposed to be Jenna role, but I have that wrong. were asking her about the fact that she was supposed to play Jenna? Nope. No. I was saying my memory is it's so fun. All of these great cameos and all kinds you do with Thirty Rock. I was asking that question or observing that without knowing the full story that she had actually been cast as the general and that this was kind of in a way a sort of a way that they were still involving her in the program, but not in the original -- Okay. -- role. So that's how I remembered it. Well, then there's a little bit I mean, that's a little bit on her. Right? Or it's all on herbie? I mean, like, you how are you supposed to know that you're not supposed ask about her current project, which is doing bunch of you know, roles on -- Right. -- 30Year sitcom. And I can't remember the other things, but I just remember this moment where I just realized I have really like, that's I mean, even my cigarette interview that wasn't great, I didn't stop it at any point and go, like, do you wanna be here? Or, like, you know, should we keep doing this? Or I'm so sorry have offended you? I feel like there might have even been a moment in that Rachel Drax interview where I was, like, clearly, we've gotten off on the wrong foot here, and I really apologize. But it just I just remember trying furiously to dig my way out of the awkward whole I had, Doug, and and it's just getting deeper. And then seeing Rachel Drex look across at the director of the film she was there to promote and maybe it was one of her co stars or something. Of her just being totally and completely unhappy with the crying at one point, I think maybe when it was over, Wow. I I'm, I'm pretty sure that there were I'm I'm pretty sure that there were tears. Now here's the thing that's interesting. I happen to catch Rachel Dratch on on a on a podcast that Helen Hong does called Go Fact Mhmm. It's a great little show where it's the kind of as a quiz element. There's an there's an interview, and Rachel Dratch was on that show. And I I was listening and I thought to myself, We'll see how this goes because Rachel Drax is a notoriously sensitive person about these topics. They immediately go, hey, so you were supposed to be the Jenna Maroney character on thirty right. And she was just like, yeah, I know. And then I wasn't. And then did all these other things, and then she was just, like, just rolling with it. So I am hoping that that means that she has you know, that that is not as a painful topic for her to talk about. But I would also like to say, could you have healed a little faster sure. Well, I'm looking at this now. No. It's not to help create the most awkward interview moment of my life. If I can center myself in story from it. So you had her on I'm looking at the episode now. It's hour one, May twenty second two thousand nine. So first of all, the show is you know, probably less than year old at that point or just over. I can't I can't remember you started in the fall of two thousand eight, I think. So the show is relatively new. Thirty rock is in its third season now. So that does change what I said a little bit too. So for Dratch, her cameo season is probably over. It's probably been a couple of years since she's even been on show. Does that scan with you, like, how long I don't know if she only had one season. I think it was I mean, I think she was on the show throughout. Oh, no. I mean oh, no. No, Surrie. We watch that show, like, crazy in this house. So it's just one year. So you think they were trying to fill out her contract basically? I don't let me look up. I can figure out right now what here. But I'll tell you she was not on that show until the end. I mean, maybe maybe she made an appearance in the last season, which I don't think I watched every but know that she's not That was just a bit they did, I think, at the beginning. Hmm. Interesting. Because I remember her being a cat wrangler like, you know, somebody who was I worked at 30Year, but was, like, sort of wrangling cats at one point. I remember her being a kind of a weird blue character but that could have all just been in the same season, I guess. Here's remember her being happy Valentine's, the -- Uh-huh. -- the the woman of the night that Jack Donaghy is is sort of coveting with. Here's what Trying to getting from the getting from the Internet. This is a little broad, but it it it gets us closer. Originally, k shift from two thousand six to two thousand twelve, originally cast as Jenna De Carlo By the way, different last name. Later recast appearances in fifteen episodes. Season one, five, and six. So my guess is she's probably in most of season one, the those fifteen and then maybe it is appears in one episode each of five and six maybe. I also may have caught her at the especially most painful moment because if you're saying that season three of thirty rock, it's like -- Mhmm. -- it's you know, she's she was cast in this in this really cool role. It didn't end up happening. Then there was this cameos. Now the cameos aren't happening. Mhmm. They will more will come later, but I think I may have just our our paths may have crossed at a particularly unfortunate time for both. I was dead and didn't even know it. We would be fired months from -- Yeah. -- months later, we would be canceled. Yeah. So so who knows? But anyway, I was it was funny to hear her talk very casually and with great humor about the exact same topics that we had been talking about that had been very, very, very sensitive. Some years previous. Yeah. And I think that, you know, she's probably just in a better place now with her career. Hey, can I there's something I've been thinking about for the past two weeks, and we should take a break? But Yes. I don't know if this is bad idea or a good idea or just more work for me even if it is a good idea, but don't know if you saw I tweeted out under the TBTL banner the other day, like a couple of weeks ago. Oh, I know I was stalling on the newsletter. I didn't know what to write about. I'm like, what were we doing on this day, like, five years ago or something? And so I just went to our website and dialed it up. And I tweeted it out hey, this is what Luke and I were doing five years ago on the show. Here here's a link. I don't know if it's good or not. And I Mhmm. Would it be that's something that you guys did that Jen did. I believe she prepped it. Maybe you you did it like this day TBTL Do you remember the guidelines were around that? Because, like, now -- No. -- so I think that the spoof was at first that you were doing that and your show was only a year old. maybe. And you were probably, if I know Kira radio, you probably were thinking, what can we do to just fill out a segment where I don't have to talk like at the end of an hour or something, I don't know if that's true or not, but should we figure out some sort of structure in lane, like maybe once a week or something do like this day in TB tale Yeah. And and you were probably if I know Kyra Radio, you probably were thinking, what can we do to just fill out segment where I don't have to talk? Like, at the end of an hour, something. I don't know if that's true or not, but should we figure out some sort of structure in like, like, maybe once a week or something do, like, this day in TBTL history or is that just stealing Jen's thing? Well, You know, we've stolen many of Jen's things and continued on with you know, we've stolen many of Jen's things and continued on with them. So that doesn't seem like a big issue to me. Really question is, can we get listener to volunteer for this production work? Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Whoever like, maybe whoever is sending us an email every day telling us what show number on, maybe that they can find a friend who will I don't literally mean she'd be the same person, but maybe somebody else wants to send us some some these days. That'd be kind of fun play. Although, I will say this, when I listen to I'm a big Howard Stern show listener. Yeah. And on serious satellite, they've got two channels, Howard, Howard, one hundred one. When it's Howard from, like, twenty years ago. And his voice is and his voice is higher, I'm not as interested. Mhmm. Now maybe our show has evolved less. Our show has evolved more slowly so that the boring stuff we were saying ten years ago is pretty similar to the boring stuff we're saying now. So there wouldn't be, you know, like Howard, twenty years ago Howard Stern is, like, trying to, you know, have sex with people through the his microphone and a speaker at someone's house. Like, he's like a very kind of specific sound of what he was trying to do. And now he's pretty thoughtful and and puts together a very different show. So maybe that's what contributes to it. But I'm just wondering, Would people wanna even TBTL from ten years ago? Well, here's what I was thinking, and I'm still not convinced that it's a good idea. I was thinking short. I mean, I was assuming I would pick it because, of course, I'm so sensitive that I would have to pick it to be safe tape for me. It also might be a project that just finally kills me. Like, I just implode with Embair meant going back and forth. That sounds bad. Yeah. That doesn't that's an argument against. That's a con. Yeah. But but I was thinking, like, you know, two or three minutes it's tops. You know what I mean? Not not taking over huge chunks of the show, but just like, oh, this was kind of funny. You know, on this date, we were we got into an argument about, don't know, condiments or what have you and we just, like, play a bit of But I don't know if there's enough payoff in that. So let's just keep that. Let's just keep let's table that. Put a pin in it, back. Okay. I was looking for the serial show the other day. So I was telling somebody about how you had put together that amazing intro. Oh, I just linked to it in the newsletter, I think, somebody listened to And I was looking for it. I reached out to a certain associate producer of the program who prefers to not be named, and they sent me the info. But before that, I was I was sort of combing the TBTL and I was struck by two things. One, god, we've done a lot shows. Yeah. Just, what the hell? And then also, some of them seemed pretty funny. Like, as I was scrolling through the descriptions and seeing the pictures and the showtles, I was like, You know, for one brief shining moment, I get it. I get why people actually listen to I get why people actually listen to this. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It's good for us to remember that every now and then that not total losers, but not too much. You know what I mean? You know, cocky. Alright. Let's take a quick break, and then we come back. We will thank some of the people. That have latched on to this idea of TBTL much so that they're supporting the program. Sorry. I just I've last thing. I just I don't know. I just went to the archives it for a sec. I wanted to see if I could find five years ago today. I couldn't. But anyway, the last episode we did of twenty sixteen was titled, you're listening to fresh You're listening to fresh ears. I'm Doug Davies. And I don't know how we ended up there. Okay. That is official. 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Lucy Wu is in Renton, Washington. Lucy, thank you for supporting the show. Home of the curves one time home of the fries, RIP. Lucy, if you're not busy this week, could you go down to the VMAC? It's where the Seahawks practice. And could you put a word in with Russell Wilson's camp that we would like him to please? And I'm not saying this like the way that Jenny Durkin said, I'm a telling other cities to, quote, unquote, keep their eyes off of Russell Wilson, masking Lucy as a resident of Renton to go over there and just make the case for Russell Wilson staying in Seattle. If you could whisper in somebody's ear over this whole, you know, lap over whether or not Russell Wilson will stick around in Seattle. Do you really think the path to success is whispering in Russell Wilson's ear or do you think it's whispering in management's ear to do right by Russell? It's a great question and I mean, I just We're not here to talk I'm the one who brought this up, so it's like, I can't believe now I'm saying, let's not get too sporty, but I think we can agree that Lucy is the linchpin to this whole thing. Yeah. Lucy definitely has to have the conversation. Definitely, Lucy has to have the conversation. I'm just wondering of going to Russell directly. I think Russell knows what's up. I think that I I think management needs to No what's up, but I think that, yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, I haven't really read the details of the story because it makes me feel physically know what's up. But I think that yeah. I mean, to be honest with you, I haven't really read the details of the story because it makes me feel physically unsafe. Mhmm. If he didn't think about Russell Wilson not being the secretary. Yeah. Which is kinda funny because there's a million times where I'm screaming at my 30Year, throw the ball Russ. 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Also, I don't know what Sarah Longino De Kalb can do. From Moxie Washington like that. Did you look Moxie up last year? What on this day in TV show history, did you look I feel like we looked Moxie, Washington because it's such a cool name for a town. And I'm looking at where this is. It's near It's a city. Okay. Yeah. Yep. It's in Yakima County, Washington. Yep. Beautiful part of the world. I would live in a town called Moxie. I just feel like you're gonna be able to get things done if you live in place called Moxie. Reminding you what the tri cities are. Kenowick is one of them. Right? Rich, Shailand and Hanford maybe? Oh, okay. Hanford seems wrong to me. Yeah. Because Hanford is the name of the new people. Yeah. I don't I think it's where Hanford is, but I don't think it's called Hanford. But anyway, it's it's so Moxie's kind of near Kenowick. It's kind Of in that of in that area. Thank you so much, Sarah, for checking in from Moxie, Washington. 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I know there's bunch of terminology for over the river and past the river and approaching the river. But what is it when we we not only do we not do the top stories, we literally don't acknowledge they exist. We just we just are yapping it up And then it's just time for emails and females. And the top stories are it's as if they never even were part of the plan for the show. I feel like the Stu bot actually has a name for that. It's like the Power River or something. I don't remember. I don't remember exactly what it is, but I'll I'll text him. We have a couple of great top stories for tomorrow's show that we didn't get to today, but we are going to definitely definitely get to them tomorrow. So tune in for that. Meanwhile, what's going on in the email of email department? A few actually since we are coming right out of thanking the donors, I would like to talk a little bit about some of these cities we've been talking about long view, long beach, oceanside, speaking of the Stu bot. He wanted us to know that oceanside California his dear wife Mandy went to seventh through ninth grade there. Her dad was stationed at Camp Pendleton. And the school is often used as an external shot in TV movies like Veronica 30Year and movies like Veronica Mars and American Vanderbilt. So, though, you know, there's some dazzling deets from our our boy's stew. I was planning on using those next year when oceanside comes again, but okay, no, that's good. You have I mean, I know that we have a policy of never repeating ourselves on the show, but in this one instance, I think it's okay. But that brought me to an email we got from Matt who says on Friday show, Luke mentioned the longest beach in the US being in long view. I grew up in Longview. I don't remember that particular dazzling detail. I think Luke was thinking of the aptly named Long Beach Washington. And I had seen that somewhere else too. Somebody's like, no. Yeah. On Twitter, people have been people have been letting me know and not in the nicest terms That yeah. I was wrong about that. But that it was Probably was in racist terms, though. It probably Yeah. No. You you wouldn't have liked it. No. I don't think Little harsh. Just I need any kind of, like, correction to be started with. I need it to the preference to be TV Tel is the best show that's ever existed in Luke. All of the content that you create, even in a twenty four hour tornado of content is good. Mhmm. And entertaining and the best. That's all I and then by the way, while you were entertaining us with your amazing, delightful personality, there was one small detail that turned out to not be correct based on the current set of facts we know about. Mhmm. Mhmm. And and that was this, we will try to get the factual record change. So as to reflect what you said. I like That's how the Tony Corniser listeners talk to him. That that's right. And, and you know, like, even if you wanted to start it by saying like, it makes sense that you would make this mistake because you were probably you by your own handsomeness, it's hard, exactly And and, you know, like, even if you wanted start up by saying, like, it makes sense that you would make this mistake because you were probably confused by your own handsomeness. It's hard to be so handsome and so right all over the time. We understand you're juggling all the plates. But anyway, thank you. So it wasn't that? So Long Beach has a Long Beach that should be good to remember. But while we're in this whole mode of dazzling details for next years, the next time these topics come up, Matt says, I do have some dazzling details about Longview for future reference. So write these down too, Luca, and remember them. Number one, Longview is the largest planned city in the US, east of the Mississippi. So it must have been like a com a company town, is that what a planned city is? I don't actually know. I guess my my hunch would be a planned city. I mean, I know about planned communities you know, but like a planned city, I guess, would be, there's no city I guess would be there's no city there and then it's all sort of mapped out before it's built as opposed to a cluster of cabins that are then replaced by -- Yeah. -- you know, newer structures and then we just keep building more homes and then we should put a gas station in grocery store in and things growing sort of more organically that way. Yep. A planned city is something that there's a plan for? Yes. It's a plan community, plan city, plan town. I'm getting this all from Wikipedia. They seem to be interchangeable and it's exactly what you just said as opposed to just growing up, you know, add hoc and organically, it is, quote, any community that was carefully planned from its inception and is typically constructed on previously undeveloped land. So that's That's wonder what the the sort of forces were that caused Longview Washington to be a planned city. I I just must have been some demographic things going on where it was like, or there were some kind of, you know, industry there or company that I don't know about. Well, that that was, like, necessitated planning out a city, not that it's a contest. But in the dazzling details, that Matt brings us. I think this next one is even more interesting. Longview has a bridge made for Whirls and it's called the Nutty Narrows Bridge Luke. Oh, you like that? Do you know about Nutty Narrows Bridge? I don't, but I also thought that long view had the longest beach in the world, don't. But I also thought that Longview had the longest beach in the world. Right. The nutty narrows was named by a local council woman after the Tacoma narrows bridge, before the bridge was built, squirrels had to avoid speeding traffic by running across the Nutty Narrows was named by a local councilwoman. After the Tacoma narrows bridge. Before the bridge was built, squirrels had to avoid speeding traffic by running across the street. They just just to sew up your alley. By to Ida Nudi feast at an office building and back again on March ninth nineteen sixty three. Aimeus Peters. That sounds like a historical name. Aimeus Peters. That guy, a hundred percent had mutton chops. Oh, certainly. And that probably a bit of booming voice, I'm going to guess. After seeing many squirrels being flat and decided to protect the squirrels and give them a way to cross the busy thoroughfare without getting killed, The original Sky Bridge was built over Olympia Way near the Civic Center in downtown Longview. It looks like it was then taken and rebuild, etcetera, etcetera. So that's pretty cool. That's a good dabbling deep for next year. Also, I think there is a green day song says Matt called Long view about how much long view sucks. Oh, wow. I wonder if that day was touring through their in their early days and and had a bad experience. Where are they from? Are they they're a Pacific Northwest band. Right? Green day. They're from, I think the Bay area, I think allegedly they're from Oakland or They're from, I think, the Bay Area. I think -- Ugh. -- allegedly they're from Oakland or something. Oh, okay. Okay. I the the the facts that I know about Longview are all related to Columbia Heights Christian School. Actually, it's probably not called that. The whatever the long view, the Christian School and Longview is, and that was where the junior high convention would be. When I was in middle school, and we would go down there and we would take part in all kinds competition. And I stayed at the, you know, it was the kind of thing where, like, You would stay at someone's house like a student from Longview would host you like from the Christian school. Mhmm. And I remember I stayed with a student. And he had an older sister who was probably in, like, maybe tenth grade, don't remember. I thought she was the most beautiful creature I had ever laid eyes on in my life. I was pretty sure I was gonna marry her. I don't remember her name. I don't remember the name of the person who I stayed with. I just remember falling deeply in love with anytime I got to be around a, a girl who I did it, who wasn't literally a member of my I just remember falling deeply in love with anytime I got to be around a a girl who I did it, who wasn't literally member of family, I felt deeply love Andrew. Yeah. And this was one of those times ceiling. Yes. So that happened in Longview. I know that about that's pretty much it. Okay. So that's my main fact. A lot of stuff for next year. I'm happy about that. Let me Can I when I quickly give you a one more city related? Mhmm. Little piece of information that can come up. Next time we read a thank you to somebody who's in Manhattan, Kansas. Mhmm. Brett said, hey, do you know what the nickname of Manhattan Kansas is? It is The little apple. Oh, nice. That's really good. Brett says, I promise you this is the town's marketing slogan. That's great. I love that Manhattan Kansas has embraced that it's the little apple. Why didn't Brett. Copy me on copy me in the that Brett from the Utestrict? He did. Yeah. Cheers. Brett, your Utestrict, and I'm looking at your email address right here. Mhmm. Andrew at TBTL dot Yeah. Well, then my apologies Brett for not looking more carefully at my email. think that's a really I like it that there I mean, to me that that they're embracing it, that they're they're not trying to compete with New York City, and they're not being like, were the other Manhattan? Right. Washington State style. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. That I always hated that. When I started it, KU0W, and people would say, oh, the other Washington, I'd always try to take that out of scripts and then it always in the in the script. Oh, the other Washington. It just seemed like such a pro. It seemed provincial it seemed provincial somehow. Like, anyway, Hey, some listeners, Luke. Very excited about the butter talk we did last week. Got a couple of emails that the subject line was just butter with next nationpoint did not seem to be a group effort. Jennifer says I grew up with a grandma who would not let you eat any bread, even sticky buns, without butter because you might choke on dry bread. This is Wisconsin in case you were wondering, yes. Scans. That might be why had a taste for a pat of butter on my chicken breast as a kid. And let's not forget festive holiday butter molds making butter in a jar for the school Thanksgiving. So I didn't know about that at all. Butter sculptures are really having a moment out side of the Midwest right now around Christmas time. I don't know how long this has been going on, Andrew, but this year, I noticed Many times when I was in the grocery store and people were buying these little kind of butter statues -- Mhmm. -- for the holidays, and I had never noticed that being a thing in the northwest. I I certainly mean, I even grew up closer to the the upper Midwest, you know, in Ohio. I don't remember butter sculptures being part of my youth or culture at all. Hmm. Just my grandma eating straight Just my grandma eating straight butter. I will say that that idea of I don't know why I didn't put more butter on more things as a kid because a lot of this if I ate was pretty under seasoned and overboiled and not the greatest, but even, like, just hearing I'll put some butter on a chicken breast. Yeah. That would really dazzle it up. Like, Yeah. Everything is better with I mean, and I I don't work for for the dairy industry. In fact, I I have some questions. Not questions that I wanna interrogate enough that I'm gonna stop eating cheese and sour cream. But I'm not saying I'm super pro dairy industry, but I do think a little butter on everything makes it a little better. I've been cooking a lot more with butter lately. Like, when I wasn't, you know I don't know. I didn't grow up cooking as you know, so just as an adult and slowly and surely I spend a little bit more time in the kitchen and what I'm gonna say is super obvious to most everybody listening, but you know, when I used to cook some sort of chicken often chicken breasts or thighs, I was always like marinating it somehow and then -- Mhmm. -- and then cooking it on the stovetop, you know. And lately what I've just been doing is like, oh, all I have to do is just like melt some butter, brush it onto these chicken thighs or chicken drumsticks, whatever, and then put that in the oven. Like, that's all you have to do. It is just so good. It just rounds up so perfectly. I learned that from my friend, Kevin Arnowitz who once cooked a chicken breast, just, it was like he just was going through the fridge, getting rid of things that were, you know, soon to go bad and just whipped up this chicken breasts that was just butter and some kind of salt and pepper on it or learned that from my friend Kevin Arnovitz. Who who once cooked a chicken breast just it was like he just was going through the fridge, getting rid of things that were, you know, soon to go bad. Bad. Yeah. And just whipped up this this chicken breast that was just butter and some kind of salt and pepper on it or whatever. And I was like, this is the best chicken I've ever consumed in my life. This is like an old just an old Jewish chicken recipe, man. It's like not anything special. I have texted him not once andrew, but twice asking him to remind me the recipe. Mhmm. And he's not gonna For this chicken breast over the years in my meat eating days, because I remember it so fondly and we'll wanna make it and he will each time tell me it's pretty much butter and salt and pepper. Yeah. Yeah. Then I have a little bit of a like, I I made some chicken rub a while back. I made a whole bunch of it, so I keep it in seasoning jar. And so I'll sprinkle that on there a little bit too just to give it a little bit his ass. You know what I did? Because I did something exactly like what your friend did. I think on Saturday night, I was like, I just need to I need to clear out the fridge little bit. And so we had couple of drumsticks in there and a breast and and then I've been baking a lot of carrots lately. I feel like we've had lot of leftover in carrots and that's not something I was doing a lot pre pandemic, but it's just so easy to do. And I I do love a baked carrot or a roasted carrot. But so I nailed the drumsticks with my usual chicken seasoning, but as Genevieve had just purchased some everything bagel seasoning. Dude, that is changing the game. Yes. So she was in love with these everything bagels from Trader Joe's. She lived and died by them and nobody else's everything bagels compared as far as like the pre bought, you know, grocery store was. And then they changed their deal recently. They changed their recipe a little bit, so she asked me to get an extra little jar to zas them up, and then I was kind of eyeing it while I was preparing the chicken. So I put that on a chicken breast with some butter and put it in the oven. Very good, my friend. Also, a little bit of that hit the carrots and it really has asked up the carrots. I need to get some of that because there's nothing I love more than consuming too much sodium. Yeah. And I try not to eat like ton I try not to let like have bagels be a, because I say them weird. Yeah. And b, because they're just so dense from a carbohydrate standpoint. I'm sorry. Is it carbohydrate? traits. Like, I try to not have a bagel be like AAA really regular part of how I, like, eat breakfast or lunch or whatever because again, it's just like you're eating a loaf of bread. Now, if somebody wants to eat a loaf of bread, go nuts. I'll probably eat an entire large pizza by myself tonight, Andrew. I am not one to judge. But I I really like bagels, but III feel like if I just if that was my standard thing to eat, like let's say, you know, eleven in the morning when I'm getting hungry or whatever, I would be really packing in carbs. And so I try not to. But the idea that I could put that everything salt on other things -- Mhmm. -- even something like carrots and have a hit of that flavor that I'm looking for, but on something very helpful like a carrot. Yeah. That's that's the perfect crime. Now I don't know if I would sprinkle it on a raw carrot. I mean, can give it a shot. But certainly on the roasted carrot, it cooked in there nicely. Hey, speaking of but Jamie says even as a kid, I I knew it was decadent, but we put butter on hot brownies, so it melted. And it made butter toast for breakfast with pound cake. Totally recommend Asterisk these suggestions come with no health warranties expressed or implied. Yeah. That's Now why is it Andrew that a brownie, which is itself just a pile of butter and chocolate and is very delicious. And I I, you know, definitely will eat a brownie if presented with one. Why is it that putting butter on a brownie sounds crazy to me when really the brownie is just butter anyway. Like there's nothing, there's not a Like, there's nothing there's not a lot. It's like someone saying, you know, I like to put on my pizza a little more cheese, and I'm like, hold on. Yeah. Right. Right. Let's not get carried away. Like, sometimes, I'm scandalized by the idea of putting butter on a brownie even though the brownie itself is just butter like go nuts have fun. Well, let's go with that cheese example though because you're putting more like, the implication with the pizza is you're adding more cheese before you bake it. In this case, you're adding the ingredient afterwards. So it'd be like taking a piece of pizza that's already hot fresh out of the oven or out of the box. And then laying a slice of cheese on top of it. Maybe maybe that's a better comparison. I'm assuming the butter melts though, right, because the brown is real big. Oh, that's true she said specifically. Yeah. So it melted and, and made butter toast for breakfast with pound So it melted and and made buttered toast for breakfast with pound cake. I think I I think I stumbled on that. Do a lot of cinnamon, like, cinnamon toast when you were a kid? Let me Yes. We did. I loved it. Wow. Yes. And then sometimes cinnamon raisin toast and those raisin would get hot in there like that. And it would kinda I think some of the kinds we got would kind of split apart along the spiral of the cinema little bit. I am thinking of cinnamon, like, Oh, bread, not a role, but certain my parents got a certain kinds of I am thinking of cinnamon like -- Oh, red. -- not a roll. But certain my parents got a certain kind so that. I can say, I sort of remember sitting at the kitchen table and you could see, you could sort of peel the I can say I can sort of remember sitting at the kitchen table. And you could you could sort of peel the bread. It was like a slice of bread, but you could see where the lines of cinnamon were sometimes. Right. Well, the way we did it was It was just a regular piece of wheat bread, but you toast it, you put a crap load of butte on it, then you just doused it in sugar and cinnamon, and that's cinnamon toast. Oh, you made it myself. I And I that was like because we never had any good treats Mhmm. So it was all about, like, what is the what are the treats that you can just kinda make on the fly? And man, I used to eat so much cinnamon toast as a kid, and it's been years. I wonder why wonder why I don't treat myself to that. That was a big part of my childhood. I've never yeah. I've definitely never had it like that before. Also interestingly, you're doing it at wheat bread. guess wheat does have a little bit of a sweet taste to it, more than than white bread. My mom just never bought white mom just never bought white bread. All we had was wheat bread. Mhmm. Even now if I buy white bread in the store, I feel guilty. Like, I've been really getting into making grilled cheese sandwiches. No. And I like because III learned how to make them from our sort of our friend and colleague, Francis Lamb -- Mhmm. -- from the Splendid table. So have couple tricks that he taught me. One is I put onions in there. Which is delicious. You gotta dice them up really fine, but that's very a very yummy addition. And then also I use mayo as the instead of butter. Because mayo has a, like, like, a lower smoke point. Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna be talking about that. Yeah. But for whatever reason, last couple of weeks, I've been really getting into grilled cheese sandwiches again. I'll like watch Chris Hayes' show and I will grill two grilled cheese sandwiches and heat up some tomato soup and sit there like I'm a twelve year old who who who's homesick from school. Yeah. Yeah. Clearly, I'm doing some self soothing. But anyway, III didn't wanna do it with wheat bread for some reason. I kinda wanted it to be something different. So I bought some, like, white bread at Whole foods. And I was like, I don't and I was like, I don't know the last time I bought white bread. It just feels so like, I don't know why that's something that in my mind is ranked as, like, a very unhealthy thing you do, but it it is for some reason. Mhmm. Yeah. I I growing up, we had white bread, but we never had, like, the mass produced white bread. My family was, like, weirdly snobby about certain food items and so we always got bakery bread. Like, you know, the kind of stuff, and it didn't have as long of a shelf life. So if the bread started to go stale or, you know, got it for a bit if the heels the heel of the bread, start to go a moldy. If it was in there for awhile, we'd take them out and give them to the little moldy if it was in there for a while. We'd take them out and give them to the ducks. We had ducks in our property. And so I remember, like, breaking up the hard bread and and giving it to ducks. I think a lot of the cooking that my mom did and even still does is based on how excited she is to find a use for food that has passed its -- Mhmm. -- gone past its prime. So we used to eat so much banana bread as a kid, Why? Oh, yeah. Because once bananas turn black, you can just put them in the freezer, and then you can still use them for banana bread. Mhmm. We used to My mom loves making stuffing to this day. She is the one who's allowed to make the stuffing when we have these family Thanksgiving, get togethers. And I literally think she looks forward to the stuffing all year round because she can use stale bread in there. Stuffing is good though, man. Do you oh, you're you're not a huge stuffing person. Are you that wasted calories to you? The best, oh, not not. I mean, thanksgiving is is is a free for all for me. But, no, the you know, the best stuffing I ever had was this, like, sausage stuffing. My sister, Liz, learned how to make when she was in grad school in Connecticut. Mhmm. And it's just I mean, it's so delicious, but it has like eleven different kinds of meat in it. And it's just basically a delicious sausage I didn't miss that sausage fest. But that's kind of off my list. But like that's like the best stuffing of it. Regular stuffing is okay. But it's just kind of wet bread to me. Mhmm. Hmm. I I do I do enjoy it. I mean, I've had good and I've had bad, but yeah. Had you ordered stuffing this Thanksgiving? That part of your deal didn't arrive? Of course. Yeah. So I have not had stuffing in a couple of couple of thanksgiving here. I'm sorry for bringing up a painful I'm sorry to bring up painful memory. Oh, no. That's fine. Here's what I would like to do though, I'm thinking, okay, what do we go out with? We've been talking about butter talk. Okay. We can play butterfly or we could play by CrazyTown barter We can play butterfly or we could play by Crazy Town. Bartorfly. The member, our listener, they mix butterfly with do the Bartman, and so we have barterfly, which I like to pull out a couple of times a year if possible. Finally, a song we have the rights to beat. What's sort of? Yeah. It's ish. Having a stay last soul if we have the right to sample this. Alright. Well, listen. Thank you so much. It's another top story we never got to. Thank you, everyone. For listening, even though many days we don't get to the top story, we appreciate you. We'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for So please do join us for that. Until then, have a great Tuesday. Stay safe. Take care of each other, mask up, and please remember no mountain to and good luck to all. Go. And what's happening then? I'm a god for me and me. Terrific. Wherever I go, it's not intentional just keeping the fly. It wasn't long ago, just a couple of weeks. I got in trouble. Yeah, pretty deep. Homer was yelling. Momo was too. Because Power out.