One of the greatest things about travelling is meeting people you wouldn’t have come across otherwise. It pushes you out of the comfort of your social circles and makes you forget about age, nationality or social class. And sometimes you are in luck and one of those people has loads in common with you too.

Last September I attended a Permaculture Design Course in New Zealand where I met Karen. There was a high chance of us sharing values and interests based on the simple fact that we were both attending the same course, at the same it also turned out that we both have design backgrounds and Karen had spent a year woofing around South and Central America. Well, I call that a great match for a course mate.This interview was recorded during the NZ Lockdown due to The COVID-19 outbreak so you will also hear us discuss the consequences of this outbreak on a very fragile food system and the response of the public regarding food growing.