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for a while vinyl, right? everybody's
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into vinyl there's a big scandal going on
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in the vinyl world to read about this
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that the smarting oh my god, that's amazing
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yeah, if
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i was a company that's
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been around for
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a decade or actually up our way in sebastopol
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and claim
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to fame there selling vinyl records
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that are mastered from the original
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digital, non digital analog
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masters of classics
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ah you know asia from steely dan
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earth or even thriller which was mastered
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or to tape and
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they were selling it this way for a long time
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until a record store owner
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phoenix record shop the
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owner the
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said according to pretty reliable sources
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modify mobile fidelity has
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been using digital files
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instead to create these vinyl
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records they are not analog masters
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and then a number people spoke up and said you know makes
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sense because if they're making these vinyl records
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from analog masters they have to keep
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rewind the tape and playing eerie whining that they're
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not nobody's going allow them to do that so
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in fact it's now come
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out engineers though fight in one
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owed admit it but engineers from mummify
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have started say yes
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we started they're using digital stream
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it it's called direct stream digital technology
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twenty eleven on
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a release of tony bennett i left my heart san
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francisco the by the and twenty
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eleven sixty percent of their vinyl release
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is used digital sources
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you
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laugh and because of the him
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loving you know that
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ah okay and making five in that that leo
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you don't lend i thought really the vinyl during
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the candidates some awful lot myself
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because i like as the like thousand dollars
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the minor records of the last year's and an ice
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i was just now yeah you have my own it's
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a turntable it's in a sandbox with
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special mommy a mini me
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the thousands include said that the turns
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out that i got the yeah so is you a bit
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but it like i'm part of a monthly like a record
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of the month club thing like i like it's
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stupid i bought all of
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the variations of killers this i'm
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a dead folklore album
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on vinyl and all like seven right
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about them all though i'm i'm
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i'm laughing at myself in terms of
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this to because i at me be getting
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that that the thriller album that they have
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up for preorder one hundred dollars
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which they're claiming came from like the analog like bass
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as with oh well you know maybe that would be really
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cool now i'm like you absolute
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idiot because it veered they're just sourcing
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it from from a from a digital master and they
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can say oh well it is it sounds as good
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and what not well no this
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is just more proof that people who buy the audio
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files stuff which again i'm absolutely
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one people a book whoop whoop basically
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function or money and is where the for many
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things are the differences because we can sort of
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lastly cannot yeah i'm for
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aesthetic and and other things so i love
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this is also hilarious
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that the initial response from the communities was
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for tax this record store guy and he likes you're
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you're wrong and then like the company admits isn't
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it
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like oh yeah sorry or man
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the according to a washington
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post the fall out of most fi revelation
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has thrown the audio file community and
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says something of an existential crisis
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right right exactly this
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is like school but i sort of but i i i
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i swore that i the rounded better
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m m m and now i know it's a placebo
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witches
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most about you are part of have a hobby
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would admit it we know
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that were just more it said to pay more
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com video but it's it's
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some to play
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the gonna wipe out there is in
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his heart and i moses the aesthetic
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the aesthetic yes
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names when you can and
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, can like oh
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and
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the same thing with people that like books
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which i like like paper books with like
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pages with some written on it that i have to go
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through and i lose the page and all that
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personally but i prefer the experience
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even though it's much easier for to read it on my
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phone where i don't have that like have a light
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see the letters of lights not bright
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enough there's something that's a joyful
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thing about actually being able to olds and own
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and manipulate something that
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isn't just digital you know for i enjoy
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it
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as a visitor from the age of vinyl
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ah , actually had a vinyl
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records when they were the only way except music
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ah remember buying as remember buying
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at a forty of my my first
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record was a beatles forty five i
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want to hold her hand as ,
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there it's not about the sound quality that
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sounds like crap but
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, there is an ascetic to taking
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in a matter the sleeves the get the liner
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notes as a whole thing you clean
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it with the disclosure three drops that's
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all you're in a new put it on the things
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he gently to lower needle on
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there is there's i understand these
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settings of it's a it doesn't
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one of the really old ones you know
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a gramophone kind of like looked
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a third love on on
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around us but i mean
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to say oh this oh this says snow
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modify saying hey look we even
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though we're using digital we
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get the masters then we
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very carefully make this digital
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revolution
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and and indeed very the they might actually
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have a good better master cause a lotta times the
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reason people will get mad about digital masters isn't
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because digital there's anything wrong with it is because
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the process or the remastering
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i've been like crunch
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the company the point that it terrible
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and you can actually hear like in this isn't
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was a audio file thing you can do
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like a be samplings were
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there have been conclusive differences
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were you can take like a city that the suppressed and like
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ninety ninety and one that was present when he the teams
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and and is the alum they sound very
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different because
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of the way
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from papers works
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after a powerful of is still
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to us your your job with mastering and
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that they saw that better source material he
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drinks from the final right they
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could be harden thera you know like whole
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thing is and like all were were coming from like
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it directly from the analog which is
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especially with the fact that like i'm
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vinyl plants are
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almost impossible for people even get time on
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like things are backlog so much the
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debt additional time you're to that
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with would be untenable arms
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to do especially the do without a large
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batch thing like the throw album where they said
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they do forty thousand and coffee is
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there's no way you have too many
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run the tape for single
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now frame but yeah i run a more
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than once you not and mangling number of select
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so that's something of yours
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the time especially if you're going to be claiming you want
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like high said l
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recordings right where you don't want to sound like
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that i want to hold your hand for generalize
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a hat is
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the you don't want it to be that way silva yeah
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i mean i think that that some of this is polly much
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ado about nothing but it is funny they'd
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like see people who still trying to convince themselves
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that is that are that's sad like
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the authors sell idea of isn't aware that
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they saw us super audio cds
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i'm super excited to see that the se city
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market it's kind back a little there is it the
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a it seems to be which are they're
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they're like some pre orders and and coming soon
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really it says on an essay city
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that's actually much exciting me so
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so sorry
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did you also you mentioned taylor when she'd really
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wow or it's she also released from cassette and
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i thought that yes is our about that yeah
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says he had a moment that hipsters
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is right up from easy
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meant not completely it's as completely aesthetic
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that that's been for five or six years
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now where seen especially with
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younger people wanting to it's that it suggests
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that i and like i bought a
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real had with me really said twenty fifth anniversary
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of ok computer i got it on many
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deaths so that was
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which is the ultimate as you
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know like and i you actually have many
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as claire i can play it back without was like
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the ultimately really greasy
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i really am and anything i got
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it i think they've got that on a there was cassette
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thing there to what you're right yes she released
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this stuff like assess when i'm waiting
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for were seen as they come back we
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for actual just cds to come
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back
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right
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now i'm waiting for what's the name
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look is a digital in ironing when you downloaded
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is identical to the c d or
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, download maybe three or a c but
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if you download a lossless version
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of it it's identical the forty for one
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cd
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don't know me i'm just looking for cs that a clean
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back i just wanna see
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it like a giant walkman i
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don't care either
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the young you i don't care i just want to see people walking
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around science late no a
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walk music and like us that would just be
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honey i did you can make the case and i and
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i have been i've you know from
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from or walker by the dolby
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, in san francisco many years ago
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and adobe engineer came out that they he he
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he from me and they're very it's it's famous
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a very famous as a theater
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in theater with really good
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rebel speakers images really nice up
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and he played in a be comparison for me
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between it now was admittedly was steely
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dan it was not a very complex piece of
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music but between
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the an analog and digital adding
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that even mp three recording my bases
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member dhabi was much into this these digital
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compression technologies in it was indistinguishable
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but and then i'm people say now listen carefully
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and you can hear you know there's some
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of fidelity and in like this symbol
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here and if they teach you and tell
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you what to listen to you can kind of tell an mp three
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spicier hundred twenty eight kilobit him he three
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isn't as good as say you know
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a lossless version of the cd most
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people let's face they're listening
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on this crappy airports in whoop ass is
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this is this is the thing i like the were selling
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your the other
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the hilarious thing about the vinyl you
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go to like the are slashed by know like separate and stuff
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have obama people who are when he turn
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tables and other things and then
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when the first questions they ask is okay so how
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do i listen to this lose you how to connect with
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how do i know sat know
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you at my guide you actually hurt my regime connected
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to my son us but i'm primarily
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when want to listen to vinyl has like my
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very expensive like headphones on
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them directly my amp plug into
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by turntable and that's i'm enjoying
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the experience but it is very
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funny that people will want to on the one hand
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take on the aesthetic the other hand
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immediately went to be able to
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listen to it wireless li and as lake okay
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you do understand what you've just done here
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you've just completely given up the entire
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thing like i get it it's nice to be able to
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drop a needle on something and do that by
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anything you want to try to claim about like audio
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sickly is completely
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out the window as soon as you are
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in order to and local products yeah
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blue season but he believe industry in an analog
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to digital converter cousin actually is the most cases
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are taking okay so that was digital became
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analog now it's be going digital again
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like on
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what can a turntable and have the inception
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of everything it's inception exactly
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what kind turntable have kristin can't
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remember right now that of oh no
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audio file i i'm at a warehouse
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slash are like i said i got like two
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years ellis the upper west one it was
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it was you know allows about you though as and
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years enthusiasm and i recognize this
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because am kind of the same with where get
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into something the don't have to do
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it in it's entirety whatever
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it is right and then you move on
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that's right never sit knows a thing
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like a got really into a for a of time
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not really as much anymore by thy
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god bless the highest that's that's
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the joy in the passion for something
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you care so much about
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it is it's a project that's what it is
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yeah it's from project yeah that was on
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the way from yeah the in you
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know what i'm about you but
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and
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do you really good friends but it's because i'm
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a d d that
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is even as kid the way
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i got functional with my
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attention deficit was i when hyper-focus
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and so everything for me,
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was it was it was a project was a hyper-focused
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thing because it's the
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only way i could really do it and i i think probably most
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of our existence safeway of
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get
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it gives you all that wonderful zopa
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mean
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yeah new he feels good on
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yeah opening
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other stuff and then you move
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on to learning and experiencing something
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else it's it's if there's nothing wrong
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with it enjoy have fun like
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a to sort, don't,
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don't don't mind
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