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1:26

the technology that could change your life. I'm

1:29

Zoe Kleinman and this week we're looking at

1:32

the cyber security tool that can disguise whereabouts

1:34

in the world you are and find out

1:36

the countries where it's most in demand. Also

1:39

on today's edition, video gaming in Iran.

1:42

From the start we wanted to go to the

1:44

picked and to respect Persia and

1:46

Iran. And we meet

1:48

the teenager in India who's invented a

1:51

device to help people with Alzheimer's inspired

1:53

by his grandmother. We

2:12

all know about the risks that come with

2:14

going online and there's no shortage of advice

2:16

about how to stay safe. One

2:19

form of protection can come in the form

2:21

of a virtual private network more commonly known

2:23

as a VPN. VPNs are

2:25

a way to disguise whereabouts in the

2:27

world you're accessing the internet from. They're

2:30

used by people wanting to protect their

2:32

privacy, wanting to stay safe and sometimes

2:34

wanting to watch TV shows in countries

2:36

where they aren't supposed to be available.

2:39

There are loads of them out there. A

2:41

company called Atlas VPN has been measuring downloads

2:43

of at least 45 VPN

2:45

providers from Apple's App Store and Google

2:48

Play Store. It calculated

2:50

that VPNs were downloaded 328 million times in 2023. It

2:52

also found that Cathar

2:57

registered the highest use of

3:00

VPNs followed by United Arab

3:02

Emirates, Singapore, Oman, the Netherlands

3:04

and Saudi Arabia. Atlas

3:06

VPN is headquartered in Lithuania. Best

3:09

spokesman Villa Cardelis highlighted the countries at

3:11

the bottom of the ranking. The

3:14

lowest countries are Kenya,

3:16

Japan and South Africa.

3:19

I'd say not many people

3:21

download VPNs or use the

3:23

internet in general. However,

3:26

I'd say that Japan is pretty

3:28

surprising on this list because

3:30

I think Japan is one

3:33

of the more technologically advanced countries.

3:36

However, for some reason, they

3:38

just simply are not using VPNs.

3:41

We decided to talk more about virtual

3:43

private networks. Graham Clouley is a cybersecurity

3:45

analyst and a podcaster and he's been

3:48

telling me how they work. which

4:00

means that any messages you send to

4:02

the internet are gobbled up, encrypted,

4:04

before they're then sent onto the service you're

4:06

gonna speak to. So it might

4:09

be a website that you're communicating with, be with

4:11

an app, but it means that anything that you

4:13

send down that tunnel is encrypted, which means it

4:15

can't be snooped upon and hopefully can't be cracked

4:17

and can't be spied upon. And

4:19

it also means, doesn't it, that

4:22

you can disguise where in the

4:24

world you are actually trying to

4:26

access the internet or that app.

4:28

So you can look like you're

4:30

in California when you're actually in

4:32

Kigali. Which has two

4:35

huge benefits. One

4:37

is that it means obviously that you can remain

4:39

more private because you can pretend to be based

4:41

in a different part of the world from the

4:43

one you really are in. But the second one

4:45

is that if you go off on holiday and

4:47

you want to access a streaming service, maybe

4:51

to watch some television or a movie or something

4:53

like that, you could use a VPN to try

4:55

to pretend that you're still based in the country.

4:57

You're normally based in and then you won't be

5:00

locked out of the content. Yes, which

5:02

those streaming channels don't tend to like very

5:04

much today. They don't like it very much. And

5:06

a lot of them actually spot if you are

5:08

using a VPN and will prevent you from accessing

5:11

the content. But VPN sometimes try

5:13

and wriggle around that. Now,

5:15

I've had a look through this

5:17

list, the report that's just

5:20

been published. And I wanted to run

5:22

a few things by you that caught my

5:24

eye. Were you surprised by

5:26

the countries that were on it

5:28

and their VPN adoption? Well,

5:31

the first thing was it was really interesting

5:33

to try and find out how they came

5:35

up with these numbers because there were some

5:37

countries where you sort of notably absent from

5:39

the next. But there are some

5:41

countries in the Middle East, for instance, where

5:43

the regimes may be considered a little less

5:46

tolerant about some of the things which you

5:48

can find on the internet and they may

5:50

well be trying to crack down on their

5:52

citizens from accessing it. So

5:55

I wouldn't be surprised that those sort of

5:57

people might be adopting VPNs more in order

5:59

to... Yet whatever it is, they

6:01

do want to watch on the internet. I

6:03

was looking at the top five and it

6:05

says shuffling paper authoritatively

6:08

and As you say, they're

6:10

sort of countries that weren't that surprising, you

6:12

know, we've got the UAE on there We've

6:14

got Qatar at the top of the list

6:16

number five though did surprise me a little

6:18

bit and that was the Netherlands Yeah,

6:21

initially you don't think the Netherlands would be something

6:23

like that But but the thing is that the

6:25

Netherlands actually has a long history When

6:28

it comes to actually creating

6:30

security It's really into security and

6:32

privacy on the internet So a

6:35

lot of companies and organizations do

6:37

actually set up their web hosts

6:40

in the Netherlands Because it has this

6:42

history of keeping the data secure of

6:44

keeping it out of the arm's length

6:46

of legal authorities So if you did

6:48

want to do something perhaps

6:50

a little bit shady if you wanted to be

6:52

kept private You might well host in the Netherlands

6:54

So I think there's a general attitude in the

6:56

Netherlands of security and privacy on the internet matter

6:59

And maybe that's why just so many people

7:01

in the Netherlands are using VPNs China

7:04

and Iran aren't on the list at all

7:06

I suspect that's not because nobody's using VPNs

7:09

but just because it's very hard to find

7:11

that sort of data out What do you

7:13

think I think it's hard to

7:15

get the data the official app store

7:17

for Apple products in China You

7:20

can't download VPNs because Apple adheres to

7:22

the rules in China and China doesn't

7:24

want you using VPN They actually have

7:26

a thing called the great firewall of

7:28

China trying to regulate what

7:30

people can access online So

7:32

they don't want people using VPNs because they want to know

7:34

what people are doing and of course You can't get into

7:36

a lot of trouble if you try to access unauthorized

7:39

content on the internet But

7:42

people still do and that brings me

7:44

to another country that caught my eye

7:46

on this list That was Russia now

7:48

according to Alice there were thirty three

7:50

point five million VPN downloads in 2022

7:54

But only eight and a half million last

7:56

year now. We know that there's been a

7:58

lot going on in Russia and

8:01

we know that they are changing their rules aren't

8:03

they about internet freedom is that

8:05

part of this do you think? I

8:08

think it is part of it I think people

8:10

have historically been looking for VPNs out in Russia

8:12

because they've been disturbed what the the

8:15

regime out there is actually doing in terms of internet

8:17

access they're also trying to create their own sort of

8:19

Russian version of the internet which they can please small

8:23

but of course you have to be very

8:25

careful about downloading VPNs because that in itself

8:27

will be considered by some regimes

8:29

to be suspicious unpleasant

8:31

behavior which they may try to crack down

8:33

on. Some VPNs are

8:36

free to use and others

8:38

are subscription or one-off payment

8:40

is there a sense that you get what you pay for? Well

8:43

yeah I think actually you could get what you

8:46

pay for if you go the free route I

8:48

think you might actually be suffering because of that

8:50

because running a VPN service

8:53

is going to cost money it's going

8:55

to take effort by these companies doing this

8:57

what are they getting from it we have

8:59

seen VPNs in the past which probably have

9:01

meant less privacy and security for you than

9:04

having no VPN at all even where

9:07

they've handed over data where maybe they've

9:09

collected your information in order to advertise

9:11

to you or sell it on to

9:13

others there've been bugs as well my

9:15

belief is that you're much better off paying

9:17

for a VPN than using a free one

9:20

but even then you start to be quite

9:22

careful which one you choose because some of

9:24

them have a very spotty record when it

9:26

comes to privacy and security. So you

9:28

need to shop around really you can't just sort of

9:30

you shouldn't just pick one at random and go for

9:32

it. You shouldn't pick one at random

9:34

and here's one of the problems is how do you

9:37

find out which ones are the good ones you might

9:39

go on the internet and look for reviews and there

9:41

are a number of comparative review sites on the internet

9:43

turns out they're actually run by

9:46

VPN companies or

9:48

by their affiliates so they're making money and they're

9:50

always recommending their own so it's really hard for

9:52

the average person in the street to work out

9:54

what's the good one and what isn't. You

9:57

have a background in cybersecurity

9:59

does that put you on Team VPN, do

10:01

you think everyone should have one? I

10:03

think most people, it's

10:06

handy, particularly if you're going on holiday,

10:08

I don't think you need one quite

10:10

as much as you used to in

10:12

the past. In the past there was

10:14

a big scare about oh you're going

10:16

into a coffee shop or you're using

10:18

someone's free wifi, your messages could be

10:20

snooped upon. Most websites and most apps

10:22

these days are already using encryption so

10:24

a VPN isn't as necessary as it

10:26

used to be unless you're living in

10:28

one of these countries or unless you're

10:30

overseas and maybe trying to watch the

10:32

latest website online. That

10:34

was cyber security analyst Graham Cleary. Thanks

10:46

for listening to Tech Life. Our last next show

10:48

we had a special feature about tech and mental

10:50

health. If you missed it you can catch that

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edition of a podcast. Go to the Tech Life

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find us with your usual podcast provider. I'd

10:59

like to say hello to Nigel Morse from

11:02

Yorkshire now in the UK. Hi Nigel, he

11:04

listened last week and he emailed us to

11:06

say, I have depression and anxiety and tech

11:09

is a definite help in my life. Nigel

11:11

says he listens to music from one of

11:13

the big online providers when he's having one

11:15

of those days. I know exactly what kind

11:18

of daily mean Nigel. He says he's also

11:20

given up social media which must have been

11:22

easier said than done. Tom Riddle emailed us

11:24

from Ohio in the US to say

11:27

technology plays a huge role in maintaining

11:29

his mental health. He sent

11:31

us a voice and I have a listen to this. My

11:33

smartwatch wakes me up in the morning,

11:35

I press a button

11:38

and it immediately gives me a

11:40

sleep report. It tells

11:42

me did I have deep sleep, how much

11:44

room I had, did I

11:46

sleep well. So

11:49

naturally I try to do stuff

11:51

to help me sleep better so

11:53

I'll get a good sleep report.

11:55

Thanks to you Tom Riddle there.

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the com the teenager in India. he's invented

12:38

a device to help people with Alzheimer's. Honestly,

12:40

I couldn't get sunburned. Watch source ensued.

12:43

I refuse. They'd them had been used

12:45

my design thinking skills and million bucks.

12:53

says. In so much excitement about the

12:55

release of a new version of the

12:57

cult video game, Princess Possess, the first

13:00

update in fourteen years is called the

13:02

Last Crowns. What's unusual about this game

13:04

is that one of the language options

13:06

is Far Seats also known as Persian

13:08

saucy spoken in Iran and several neighboring

13:11

countries. Finish your best as again, say

13:13

in Farsi. For a trauma

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cerebral hooker fact that A zones

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are geez, hundreds of harming smarter

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of on total bill for some

13:22

so. I hadn't heard that. That's that's a

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great since the last crown is made by

13:26

a be self montpellier and the designer media

13:28

ruddy told the Bbc why he wanted Fonzie

13:30

to be included. From. The south

13:32

we wanted to go to depicts and for

13:34

respects. Doors on on I run.

13:37

If we're going into around this cultural

13:39

we have to be true to his

13:41

courtroom. When. you play the

13:43

game reserve or the servicemen gradual

13:45

like of twinge run into berea.

13:48

Now check out this voice memos from an

13:50

Iranian video game. I. Say close.

13:53

This is Emma Sorry I'm

13:55

an Iranian musicians in Canada

13:57

I think Iran and. The

14:00

Persian culture are on the presented in

14:02

two days or do too many reasons.

14:05

And. Seeing a game like Prince of

14:07

Persia that tries to represent his authentically.

14:09

Since. Like your breath of fresh air.

14:12

It. Feels like the are finally being

14:15

seen after being ignored for many years.

14:18

Thanks to a mad that in Canada.

14:20

So what is the gaming scene like

14:22

inside Iran com have go up and

14:24

Paul had grab and lived in Iran

14:26

and so three years a gaping says

14:28

up to speed season studying in the

14:30

Netherlands and he's also writing a book

14:32

about the history of video gaming in

14:34

the country. I have seen about his

14:36

experiences growing up playing games in Iran.

14:38

I. Started playing since I was

14:41

very low. how little. I

14:44

was three. Memory: what? Was your first

14:46

game? Can you remember. Is. Really

14:48

hard to remember but my to

14:50

speculation is that it was and

14:53

tom and Jerry game on Pc.

14:55

Amazing A not obviously say the seeds for

14:57

you are not going to try and guess

15:00

how old you are but I'm I'm assuming

15:02

you say to see game since Tom and

15:04

Jerry. Yes, Of course What?

15:06

What has been your favorites growing up?

15:09

Probably. Final Fantasy seven. Now

15:11

that just sticks with everyone does. Now I

15:13

know so many people he always come back

15:15

to that game as I can name a

15:18

perennial favorite. For everyone and it's

15:20

very unique for me because if

15:22

it goes. To

15:24

spar Expense really made me to learn

15:26

English. Oh really? Yeah.

15:29

Because I wanted to the man about

15:31

what the game was about the other

15:34

games are played of the time when

15:36

was the action oriented Sauces gets him

15:38

in particular was really a story the

15:40

room and so I must understand the

15:43

tires started using a dictionary role playing

15:45

games and that was really the source

15:47

of miss learning english. Well listen. see.

15:49

I think Final Fantasy done a good job.

15:52

Your English is very slow. it's. Same

15:54

team obviously tight and also lot how

15:56

many. Dates.

15:58

With it was easy to get hotel. And

16:00

around. I'm. When

16:03

I was growing up. yes,

16:06

because I grew up during

16:08

a time of social one

16:10

and pirating was a huge

16:12

spanking at times. If the

16:14

go a few years before

16:16

that, he would have been

16:18

much much less easy for

16:21

people to access video games

16:23

because cartridges are expensive and

16:25

a war was happening and

16:27

down. There were savvy

16:29

sanctions on video games and ban

16:31

on video games as well as

16:34

other media. but then I was

16:36

growing up. it wasn't difficult at

16:38

all because I retain I was

16:41

the way to Go said. I

16:43

was quite a big that market saw this

16:45

in the west and games. Yes, And

16:47

and whether kind of regime the priest games

16:49

that you could get. So.

16:51

There's this notion that missed some

16:54

video games or illegal that's not

16:56

quite true with again in video

16:58

games are not illegal to distribute

17:01

to play A factor shops on

17:03

over Iran. On. An openly

17:05

selling this or video games

17:07

and display public advertisements in

17:10

France a lot of in

17:12

front of their So's However,

17:14

Doris Elected games at are

17:16

illegal and the service him

17:19

them could be potentially problematic

17:21

like Battle for Three or

17:23

Black Friday nineteen as some

17:25

may revolutions of things at

17:27

all. either way political or

17:30

or in some ways problematic.

17:33

Would have that Games that are

17:35

so doesn't that sad that difficult?

17:37

morals. Sarah country as a strict

17:39

as Iran. And yeah,

17:42

so. the for

17:44

example g t five is also

17:46

illegal in the country because it's

17:48

not a political in any way

17:50

of a meet his political but

17:52

it's it's politics aren't related to

17:55

it he runs a situation but

17:57

because of it's portrayal of drugs

17:59

and sex and

18:01

so forth. It has become

18:03

illegal to an instrument. Do

18:06

people have it? Oh yeah.

18:11

Even in the games that are considered

18:13

to be illegal, they are easy to access.

18:17

And what's the console of choice would you

18:19

say? Is it PlayStation, is it Xbox, is

18:21

it PC? I think right

18:24

now, as far as

18:26

I know, it's PlayStation

18:28

5 and personal

18:31

computers. Are they

18:33

expensive? Yes, they

18:35

are very expensive. I think

18:38

E-ron was way more reliant

18:40

on personal computers in

18:42

the past, but because of

18:44

the sanctions and the inflation,

18:47

people have become more drawn

18:49

towards consoles. And

18:51

in terms of games produced inside

18:53

the country, what's

18:55

the gaming sector like there? Are there lots of

18:57

developers? That's

18:59

something that I have been writing my

19:02

book about, and it's really hard to

19:04

summarize, but right now

19:07

there are a few sectors that

19:09

focus on video games. Most

19:11

of them are government-affiliated, but there

19:13

are also games that are produced

19:15

outside of the country by

19:18

independent developers, Iranian-independent

19:20

developers like Taylor

19:23

Beecher, which is about mythology.

19:26

We have recently seen Princess Persia

19:28

come out with a Farsi-speaking

19:30

character in it. That must have

19:32

been fantastic news for you and

19:34

for your friends and family in

19:36

Iran. Oh yeah, absolutely.

19:38

It's super exciting. This is the

19:41

first time an international game is

19:43

getting a full localization in Persian,

19:45

or rather Farsi. People

19:49

often overlook the influence of

19:51

localization because it

19:53

can have profound influence on

19:55

how people play games, what

19:57

kind of games they play.

20:00

and it can totally change the video

20:02

game scene inside the country. That

20:05

was Kamyab Garbanpur, he learnt his new

20:07

English, playing Final Fantasy. You

20:13

know what? I really love this next story. 17-year-old

20:16

Hamish Chudalavada lives in Hyderabad in

20:18

India, and he's still in school

20:20

studying for his exams. But he's also created

20:23

a device that can detect if someone with

20:25

Alzheimer's has a fall or walks far from

20:27

home. He's called it the Alpha

20:29

Monitor, and he's been telling me how he came

20:31

up with the idea. So basically

20:33

the biggest spark for me to

20:35

work on my innovation was actually

20:38

after seeing my grandma wander away.

20:40

So because my grandma

20:42

had Alzheimer's, she sometimes forgot who

20:44

she even was. So

20:46

because she kept on forgetting, she

20:48

just used to get up at like 2 or

20:50

3 am at midnight, and sometimes

20:52

she used to just get up and

20:54

walk outside of the home and wander

20:57

away. And sometimes even get lost in

20:59

another street or all these accidents were

21:01

happening. When we were visiting her in

21:03

the summer of 2019, I once saw

21:05

her get up at like 2 am,

21:08

and she simply just got up and

21:10

went into the kitchen and started making tea. And after

21:13

she made the tea, she actually forgot to turn off the

21:15

gas stove. Oh my goodness. You

21:18

must have been so worried about her. Exactly.

21:21

So that event gave me the

21:24

push to actually create something, because

21:27

without us noticing, she often wandered away

21:29

at midnight and putting herself at risk

21:31

of accidents. And honestly, I couldn't just

21:34

stand by and watch. So instead, I

21:36

just used the internet and used my

21:38

design thinking skills and sprung into action.

21:41

And tell me about the

21:43

device itself that you've come up with. What

21:45

does it look like? How does it work?

21:49

So basically, my device is called

21:51

the Alpha Monitor. It's a simple

21:53

customizable wearable device that essentially helps

21:55

family members and caregivers take better

21:57

care of those affected with dementia.

22:00

and Alzheimer's. So it's

22:03

a super simple device. There are two main

22:05

things to it. One is the customizable wearable

22:07

device. It's like a pendant. You can put

22:09

it on as a watch. You can put

22:12

it on as your badge. You can even

22:14

slip it in your sock or in your

22:16

pocket, wherever the patient is comfortable with. And

22:18

then there's another device that you simply plug

22:20

in in the hallway or anywhere

22:23

where they can hear a huge sound alarm.

22:25

So basically, you simply put the wearable

22:27

on the patient, then plug in this

22:30

alarm. And as soon as the patient maybe gets up

22:32

at 2 or 3 AM in

22:34

the midnight, or if the patient

22:36

falls down, or even if he is

22:39

feeling uncomfortable, we process all of that.

22:41

And we simply send the family members

22:43

an alarm that the patient is feeling

22:45

uncomfortable, that the patient is falling down,

22:48

or if the patient is wandering away.

22:51

Ultimately, I actually created this

22:53

after seeing existing devices in

22:55

the market. So everything

22:57

in the market were just these

22:59

cheap GPS trackers, these smartwatches, which

23:02

were really expensive. And

23:04

the worst part was that they

23:06

didn't really work

23:08

for Alzheimer's patients. These GPS trackers, you

23:10

need to put in a SIM card.

23:12

You have to do a lot of

23:14

stuff, just so that

23:16

it didn't actually work. And if you

23:18

look at smartwatches, they use Wi-Fi and

23:20

Bluetooth. And because of

23:23

this, once they go out of the home,

23:25

they're basically useless. With

23:27

the alpha monitor, I'm using

23:29

this specific technology called LoRa, which

23:32

is long-range radio. And

23:34

because of this, we got a range

23:36

of 1 to 5 kilometers. So

23:38

even if the patient gets up and

23:40

wanders away to another street, we would

23:43

still send the family members an alarm

23:45

that the patient is waking up as

23:48

the patient is wandering away. That's really interesting

23:50

that you chose to go down that route

23:52

rather than, say, I don't know,

23:54

put a SIM card in it. Exactly.

24:00

like create something that is actually usable

24:02

and something that's like, you know, it's

24:04

friendly for the user. Ultimately,

24:06

like I wanted to explore my skills

24:08

of design thinking too and I just

24:10

was like, you know, watching videos on

24:12

YouTube I was just googling and you

24:14

know taught myself robotics and electronics and

24:16

just kept on building it from 2019.

24:20

Unfortunately, like my grandma passed away last

24:22

year so like

24:24

I was like, you know showing her my

24:26

verbal device and she was very proud but

24:29

like we weren't like actually able to test it

24:31

on her. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry

24:33

but she was the inspiration of

24:36

something that sounds like it could potentially help lots of

24:38

other people. Yeah, totally.

24:40

Like honestly like Alzheimer's is a

24:42

huge issue that's coming up like

24:45

right now there are around 55 million

24:47

people in this planet who are affected

24:49

they could officially diagnose with Alzheimer's and

24:51

dementia and the sad part is that

24:53

this number is actually doubling every 20

24:55

years. So unless there's like a cure

24:59

like this disease is gonna like, you know,

25:01

be more widespread and you know affect every

25:03

single elder which is which is like very

25:05

sad to see, right? And there's

25:07

actually like, you know, very high probability

25:10

that you know a lot of lot of our elders

25:12

should be suffering from Alzheimer's. So I just wanted to

25:14

like, you know create a device

25:16

that would help family members and like,

25:18

you know a caregivers just to give

25:21

give the elder assurance that you know that

25:23

they're with them that they're like connected with

25:25

them and you know, ultimately that's my

25:27

goal. I think you're absolutely right. We have an

25:29

we have an aging population don't we around the world people

25:31

are living longer and so we're only going to see more

25:34

and more of these sorts of conditions

25:36

that that tend to strike older

25:38

people. Hamish, what's the timeline

25:41

for this device then? What happens next? When will

25:43

it be in the shops? Like

25:46

first of all, I just want to put forward the

25:48

third so like I'm truly honored to be here at

25:50

the end of the day I'm just a random 12th

25:52

grader who goes to high school in India. No,

25:55

you're doing myself a disservice there. You you

25:58

have you have done something that not many

26:00

17 year olds have done? Yeah,

26:03

so I just wanted to

26:05

say that. And because of this, we have

26:07

a huge exam that's coming up in 12th

26:09

grade for going to colleges

26:11

abroad or even in India. So I

26:14

hope to just get done with this in the next

26:16

one to two months. Once my tests and exams are

26:18

done, I want to go ahead

26:20

and do more research towards the Alpha Monitor. And

26:22

I want to turn this project into an actual

26:24

product and help Alzheimer's patients.

26:26

So my goal is to probably get

26:28

it done by the end of this

26:30

year. But I don't know what might

26:33

come up again. So hopefully, that is

26:35

the target I'm working towards. I think

26:37

you are absolutely right to put your exams first.

26:39

I'm a mom, and I completely approve of that.

26:41

And I'm sure your grandma would be saying the

26:43

same thing. Yeah,

26:46

totally. But I want to work

26:48

towards this mission where I

26:50

want to help more elders and family members

26:52

take better care of them. And yeah, that's

26:54

hopefully what I want to do for

26:56

the rest of my life. That's Hamish

26:59

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27:01

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