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Hello, and welcome to

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episode 11 of the teen horror

0:37

podcast where we watch and

0:37

discuss horror movies from a

0:40

teens perspective. I'm your host

0:40

sage and I'm joined by my co

0:44

host and unpaid intern my Dad

0:46

Yeah, we need to talk

0:46

about that unpaid business. We

0:49

need some revenue.

0:52

This week we watched West

0:52

Craven's 1996 meta-horror movie

0:56

"SCREAM."

0:57

As usual, we're covering

0:57

horror films that involve death

1:00

and mayhem. So if you aren't

1:00

comfortable with discussions of

1:03

fictional murder, best to duck

1:03

out now.

1:06

Additionally, this week,

1:06

we're going to talk about a real

1:08

world event, which occurred as

1:08

we were preparing to record this

1:12

episode. Specifically, it was a

1:12

school shooting in my school.

1:17

And we wanted to talk about the

1:17

feelings we have about the

1:19

relationship between real world

1:19

horror and fictional horror. If

1:23

that sounds too intense, my

1:23

intern will pop in here to tell

1:26

you where to jump ahead to skip

1:26

that and just listen to the film

1:29

All right, let's go on to

1:29

our section that we're calling

1:29

discussion. backstory.

1:35

Yeah, so I think we called

1:35

it character development

1:37

previously. Yep. We switched it

1:37

to backstory. Well, this is

1:41

this is our podcast,

1:41

and we can do what we want,

1:43

Right? We're the writers

1:43

and we can rewrite it. Yeah,

1:46

this is this is the revision,

1:46

we're gonna punch up the, as I

1:49

say, punch up the script. Yeah.

1:49

What is the backstory section by

1:51

the way, we should clarify that.

1:53

So we're just kind of

1:53

filling you guys in on what

1:57

we've been doing since the last

1:57

episode like movies we've

2:00

watched and recommend or don't

2:00

recommend, you know, things

2:03

you've been doing.

2:05

So what kind of media

2:05

have you been consuming?

2:07

Yes. So since our last

2:07

episode, I have watched

2:12

Guillermo del Toro's series, not

2:12

the whole thing, but five of

2:16

them. Five of the episodes.

2:16

Cabinet of curiosities is what

2:19

it's called. Yeah, I love

2:19

Guillermo del Toro. And my

2:22

favorite one that I've seen is

2:22

probably the very first one in

2:25

the series, which I think it's

2:25

my favorite because it was

2:28

directed by him. It's really

2:28

good. Yeah, they're just kind of

2:30

like little bite size. horror movies.

2:32

Yeah what a great

2:32

director and yeah, like you did

2:35

Pan's Labyrinth... a report on

2:35

that for school. I did. years

2:38

ago, actually. Yeah, a while

2:38

ago. And yeah, let's see what

2:43

else?

2:45

Um, for all you Knives Out

2:45

fans, I watched the sequel Glass

2:50

Linnaean, which is awesome. I

2:50

think I love Ron Johnson. I

2:53

think the glass on Yun was

2:53

amazing. It was very riveting.

2:57

And the twists and turns were

2:57

perfect. And there were just so

3:00

fun. Yeah, it doesn't the film

3:00

that makes you feel smart when

3:04

you figure something out. But

3:04

not stupid when you don't.

3:09

Totally. I'm on board. Yeah.

3:11

Yeah. Characters are just

3:11

so fun too.

3:13

So we saw that in

3:13

theater. It was great. It was

3:17

only a theater for like a week

3:17

or something. It was such a

3:19

shame. But I'm really glad that

3:19

we got to see it. You know, it

3:22

was such a great experience to

3:22

go. We have not been to the

3:25

theater a ton. I mean, we we

3:25

rent a lot of videos from

3:29

scarecrow video, shout out to

3:29

Seattle Scarecrow Video. Yeah,

3:32

we just haven't gotten to the

3:32

actual physical theater as much

3:34

as I like. And it was really fun

3:34

to be there. We went to sort of

3:40

Seattle's quote unquote, premier

3:40

shopping centers, which was kind

3:42

of like a ghost town inside on

3:42

the busy shopping day of the

3:45

year, the day after

3:45

Thanksgiving. But the theater

3:49

was packed. Yeah, it was. People

3:49

were like having a good time.

3:54

And they were like laughing and

3:54

clapping. And it was just great.

3:57

Yeah, it was a perfect theater

3:57

experience.

3:59

And I noticed something in

3:59

the credits

4:03

All right, yeah. What did you notice? Oh yes, this is awesome.

4:08

If you've seen Glass Onion

4:08

or like if you haven't this is

4:11

not a spoiler. Yeah, no, it's

4:11

not. But there's this thing that

4:15

happens in the movie like

4:15

they're on this little island,

4:17

this fancy rich person Island

4:17

and there's this thing that

4:20

happens every hour. It's called

4:20

like the "hourly bong" or

4:22

something where like, there's

4:22

this bell at the top of the

4:25

island or something. It was

4:25

everywhere.

4:27

It's like it's piped into

4:27

speakers or something. But and

4:31

he claims at one point he's like, Oh, I had like Philip Glass record that. Yes.

4:37

That's so funny. Yeah,

4:37

it's like it's just like a bell

4:41

but in the credits, it says

4:41

hourly. Bong is credited to

4:45

Joseph Gordon. Levitt. Yeah. And

4:45

so he must have like, he just

4:50

says "bong" and I kind of

4:50

freaked out. I was in the

4:53

theater. We were leaving. And I

4:53

like, I let it a little scream

4:57

because I was like, I love

4:57

Joseph Gordon Levitt, his

4:59

name. I think this scream was "JOSEPH GORDON LEVITT"... just like that.

5:03

So he's a very close,

5:03

personal friend of mine.

5:06

In your head, that's

5:06

true. You have a rich dialogue

5:09

with him on a regular basis. Yeah.

5:11

No, I love him. He's just

5:11

a great funny guy. I love him. I

5:15

think like as a real person, he

5:15

just seems very genuine.

5:17

Yeah. You said like you

5:17

have a good... You're a true

5:20

fan.

5:21

Well, he's my friend. He's

5:27

this is not an unhealthy

5:27

parasocial relationship at all.

5:29

It's good to know.

5:31

We also watched Wednesday,

5:31

the new Netflix series, which I

5:36

thought was really good. It was

5:36

like a fun little series. I love

5:41

the character Wednesday. I

5:41

really like her outfits. I did a

5:44

little bit of research on her

5:44

outfits after watching it

5:47

because I just thought they were

5:47

the greatest. Apparently those

5:51

big chunky shoes she wears are

5:51

Prada. And they're like $1,000

5:55

or something. So it'll be a

5:55

little bit out of my price

5:58

range.

5:59

Chunky black. Almost.

6:02

Yeah, so I do I recommend

6:02

that it's a very fun bingeable

6:08

series.

6:08

Yeah. What else we

6:08

watched recently, actually, this

6:13

week, we watched your dark.

6:13

Yeah. And a 1987 vampire movie,

6:18

which was your first vampire

6:18

movie, which I'm so happy about?

6:21

Because it's the best. Yeah.

6:21

vampire movie is directed by

6:23

Kathryn Bigelow. And then last

6:23

night, we watched another nifty

6:28

87 vampire movie. Last boy. The

6:28

Lost Boys. Yeah. Just great. I

6:34

love that pairing.

6:35

They very much remind me

6:35

of each other. Yeah. Which I

6:39

think is funny. Yeah,

6:40

there's a lot of common

6:40

kind of different tone though.

6:43

Yeah, Lost Boys kind of

6:43

reminds me more of the Goonies

6:47

because

6:47

Oh 100% their kids,

6:47

right? It's

6:49

like these. It's the

6:49

independent of their parents.

6:54

Yeah, so yeah,

6:55

it's the Goonies with

6:55

vampires. And then like slightly

6:58

older, sexier kids that you kind

6:58

of wanted to be when you're my

7:01

age are like, oh, yeah,

7:02

you pointed something out.

7:02

That was like, little kids can

7:06

watch it and be like, oh, I want

7:06

to be like those. Like little

7:09

gays characters. They're nice

7:09

kids. And then older kids can

7:12

watch it and be like, oh, I want

7:12

to be like those vampires. Yeah.

7:16

Yeah. So yeah, yeah. And also,

7:16

Halloween did occur. Correct.

7:24

Not the movie but not the dog. I

7:24

went as Carrie

7:39

i i think it might have been my

7:39

best costume was course of my

7:44

amazing. I applied my the blood

7:44

to my face, like at school and

7:51

the school bathroom. Yeah, a

7:51

little bit of struggle, but it

7:53

was worth it. Because I gotta I

7:53

gotta love staring looks. But

7:58

like a lot of adults recognize

7:58

me because I think that's kind

8:02

of the key is to dress up as an

8:02

older movie character because

8:06

adults will know you.

8:08

You will get more candy

8:08

from the adults rolling out the

8:11

candy. So yep.

8:14

Yeah, that was fun.

8:15

Yeah, that was that was a

8:15

great outfit you were wearing

8:17

like it was like the prom. Okay,

8:17

yeah, so tiara, actually,

8:20

um, the dress I did deface

8:20

a dress, with acrylic paint and

8:26

fake blood and like whatever

8:26

else. And that that was the same

8:31

dress that I wore to homecoming,

8:31

the homecoming dance a week

8:34

earlier. So that was

8:35

the great thing about

8:35

that outfit. That costume was

8:38

it's it was simple, but it's

8:38

like when you see a Picasso

8:42

painting of like a bowl, and

8:42

you're like, that's three lines,

8:44

but it's the best bull I've ever

8:44

seen. You know, it's like, there

8:47

was like three elements to your

8:47

costume. It was like fake blood.

8:50

Cheap prom dress. And, and that

8:50

was all you need. And it's 100

8:55

No question. When you see it.

8:55

You're like, Oh, that's great.

8:57

Yeah.

8:58

Someone asked me like an

8:58

adult. This old guy. He was

9:00

like, Have you been? Do you know

9:00

who Kerry is? I was like, Yeah,

9:04

I've read the book. So you're a

9:04

poser a fake man. I'm very lucky

9:11

me. Curious actually the first

9:11

Stephen King book I've ever

9:14

read. So that's right.

9:15

Yeah. Yeah, cuz I

9:15

actually wait. I think it was

9:19

right after I ordered you a

9:19

bunch of good cover. Stephen

9:23

King books.

9:25

Yeah, good covers. Yeah.

9:37

The next few minutes are

9:37

a discussion of our feelings on

9:39

what it means to talk about

9:39

horror movies after experiencing

9:42

some real life horrific events.

9:42

If you'd rather skip this jump

9:45

ahead to the movie summary

9:45

starting at the 21 minute mark.

9:49

So let's go on we're gonna talk

9:49

a little bit about a serious

9:52

topic. We pause the recording of

9:52

this episode, actually, when we

9:56

were going to do it earlier in

9:56

November, after some pretty

9:59

serious stuff happened. And

9:59

there was, we just want to be

10:02

really frank about all this,

10:02

there was a shooting at sages

10:04

High School, which is actually

10:04

the same place that my wife

10:07

works. So it was close very

10:07

close to our family. This

10:11

happened, you know, in the middle of the school day, we didn't feel like jumping back

10:13

into a review of a movie that

10:16

involved teens and death in high

10:16

school right away, for obvious

10:19

reasons. But we wanted to talk

10:19

about this because it was it had

10:23

a big impact on us. And we

10:23

wanted to talk about our

10:26

relationship with horror. And

10:26

what happens, you know, when you

10:30

experience a real life horror,

10:30

so, sage, let's talk a little

10:35

bit about that. We're going to

10:35

try to keep this section

10:39

compartmentalized, so we're not

10:39

going to talk about it in the

10:41

rest of the review and

10:41

discussion of the movie. But

10:45

this is sort of our place to

10:45

just kind of air that.

10:47

Yeah. So I don't, I'm not

10:47

going to talk about the details

10:53

at all. I don't want that to be

10:53

what this section is about. So

10:58

it just it happened in early

10:58

November, as you said, middle,

11:01

the school day, there was a

11:01

lockdown. Everyone was in their

11:04

classrooms for a few hours. And

11:04

that was truly terrifying. Yeah,

11:09

for me, and I'm sure you know,

11:09

everyone else who is

11:12

experiencing it, the thoughts

11:12

that were going through my head

11:14

was like, I guess I knew that

11:14

this could have happened. But

11:19

until that moment, it kind of

11:19

seemed

11:23

removed. Sure. It always

11:23

feels like it happened somewhere

11:26

else, because it was

11:27

and, you know, no one

11:27

should have to go into school

11:32

and worry that someone has a

11:32

gun. Yeah. That's like, there

11:37

has been so many failings, on

11:37

like, a governmental level all

11:41

the way down to like this level.

11:41

Yeah. To lead to this point.

11:46

Where, like, children are paying

11:46

for the reluctance to put

11:54

restrictions on like gun safety,

11:54

like, children are paying with

11:58

their lives. Yep.

12:00

Yeah, it is terrible.

12:00

And, you know, you texted me,

12:06

the moment I think that you guys

12:06

were just going into lockdown,

12:10

and there was even some

12:10

uncertainty, like as it was

12:12

chaos, obviously, a little bit

12:12

and what was going on. And, I

12:16

mean, I don't remember anything

12:16

until the, you know, a few

12:19

minutes later, I like tore into

12:19

the school. Like the area around

12:25

the school, I just drove my

12:25

truck right over there and was

12:27

like, you know, waiting. And I

12:27

was easily one of the first

12:32

couple dozen parents on the

12:32

scene. And, you know, by the end

12:35

of the school day, by the time

12:35

that they we got everybody out

12:39

of the building, it was hundreds

12:39

of people just you know, around

12:42

the building. Yeah. All worried

12:42

for you guys not getting any

12:45

information. So it was it was

12:45

horrible. We didn't. I mean, it

12:52

obviously, you know, school was,

12:52

was canceled for days. And we

12:57

had to kind of come back

12:57

together and figure out, you

13:01

know what to do and start to

13:01

process what it just happened. I

13:05

should say, you know, it was not

13:05

a mass shooting, it was a

13:08

targeted shooting, which hardly

13:08

seems a point worth making. And

13:11

yet it does seem like a point

13:11

worth talking about. Like, you

13:16

know, it was the impact on the

13:16

school, though, was huge,

13:21

regardless, right. I mean,

13:21

somebody was murdered at the

13:23

building.

13:24

Yeah. Yeah. It feels

13:24

horrible that it's, like, a good

13:31

thing to say that it was just a

13:31

targeted just, yeah. Like,

13:35

there's

13:36

all the issues of like

13:36

somebody bringing a gun to

13:38

school, and Oh, yeah.

13:40

And, you know, since then,

13:40

I think that like, there's, I

13:45

think heightened security on

13:45

campus, like maybe one or two

13:49

security guards. But that's all

13:49

I've seen no, like clear bags or

13:53

bag checks or anything like

13:53

that. It is really terrifying to

13:58

come to school and know that

13:58

that's a possibility every

14:03

single day. And I guess we also

14:03

wanted to talk about how

14:10

fictional horror kind of relates

14:10

to real life horrors and the

14:15

relationship between them

14:16

right so like, well, let

14:16

me ask you this. So first of

14:18

all, why is it we felt

14:18

uncomfortable at all? Not doing

14:23

the podcast right away. Like

14:23

what? What is it that made you

14:25

feel uncomfortable?

14:26

Um, it seems insensitive.

14:26

Yeah. If I'm being honest to

14:33

talk about this piece of fiction

14:33

involving kids and death, when

14:39

something like that has just

14:39

happened in the real world.

14:43

Because I think as much as

14:43

fiction, like fictional movies

14:49

and books and things that can be

14:49

really fun, it is so important

14:53

to know that those are separate

14:53

from the real world. Right. And

14:59

that you Not everything, like

14:59

things that happen in fiction.

15:04

Those things can be fun. But

15:04

then when brought into real

15:07

life, they're not the same.

15:07

Right? Yeah. And it's, it was

15:12

really important to just kind of

15:12

Yeah, at that, you know? Yeah,

15:16

no,

15:16

that's a great point,

15:16

sage. I mean, we watch, like, we

15:19

watch these horror movies, and

15:19

they're horrible things that

15:21

happen in these horror movies.

15:21

But they can be like, in a crazy

15:25

way. And like in this movie that

15:25

we'll talk about today. They can

15:29

be fun and funny. And you know,

15:29

shivery? Yeah. But it's because

15:36

we know that it's fiction. And

15:36

it's a safe way to experience

15:40

those feelings. And I feel like

15:40

what happened is that the safety

15:44

of experiencing those feelings

15:44

in a fictional setting was taken

15:47

away for a couple of weeks there.

15:49

Exactly. Yeah. Another

15:49

thing I wanted to talk about is

15:56

kind of the point that some

15:56

people bring up sometimes that,

16:01

you know, horror movies are

16:01

insensitive, or something like

16:04

that. And I'm personally, my

16:04

view on that is that horror

16:09

movies themselves aren't

16:09

insensitive, but the way some

16:13

people can interpret and process

16:13

those can be insensitive.

16:19

There's another thing that this

16:19

is this kind of relates to like

16:23

fictional horror, but true

16:23

crime, it kind of branches off

16:27

from that. And I think that like

16:27

the true crime bubble, is a

16:31

place where a lot of like,

16:31

insensitivity happens, sure.

16:38

Because it's true crime, like,

16:38

and a lot of people watch these

16:45

videos, or listen to these

16:45

podcasts about real things that

16:48

have happened as a form of

16:48

entertainment for themselves,

16:52

whilst forgetting that the

16:52

events of the quote unquote,

16:56

story have affected so many

16:56

people's lives, in the worst

17:00

ways. Yeah. And that's kind of

17:00

what I was talking about, about

17:04

being able to separate fiction

17:04

from reality. True Crime kind of

17:09

blends those together. And I

17:09

think that's a really dangerous

17:12

thing that can be so harmful if

17:12

you're not, like hyper aware of

17:17

how you're listening to true

17:17

crime. And like being mindful of

17:23

how it's affected people in real

17:23

life. If you lose that, at any

17:28

point, while you're listening to

17:28

true crime, it can be really

17:32

harmful. Because, you know, a

17:32

lot of people might like, make

17:37

jokes about things that have

17:37

happened to true crime, or that

17:40

this thing that I think has been

17:40

a phenomenon for a while, but

17:43

kind of romanticizing serial

17:43

killers Is so insensitive, and

17:51

is not something that anybody

17:51

should be doing like, this

17:55

Halloween, this past Halloween.

17:55

A lot of people even on my

17:58

school, were dressing up as

17:58

Jeffrey Dahmer. Like, I don't

18:05

even know how that could how

18:05

someone could think that's okay.

18:09

To dress up as someone who has

18:09

killed people, like in their

18:14

families, like emotionally like,

18:14

Yeah, you. That's just not okay.

18:19

Yeah, no, I'm with you on

18:19

that. Such. I really appreciate

18:22

your insight there. I haven't

18:22

heard you say that out loud,

18:26

like that before. And it really,

18:26

I think you nailed it. I think

18:32

that, you know, I've heard that

18:32

I've seen true crime,

18:36

documentaries and podcasts that

18:36

I thought were mostly trying to

18:40

deal with things in a sensitive

18:40

way. But it's such a, it's such

18:43

an industry now. You know, and I

18:43

just feel like people are

18:49

creating this churning out this.

18:49

It's like the reality TV, right?

18:54

It's like this stuff is, it's

18:54

pre written in a way

18:57

it's kind of catered to an

18:57

audience that wants to be kind

19:01

of, like, thrilled or

19:01

entertained, or, you know, like,

19:07

it's not true crime, I think

19:07

becomes dangerous when it's with

19:11

the intent of entertainment

19:11

rather than information. Because

19:16

that's when it starts to feel

19:16

like fiction. When it's not at

19:20

all.

19:22

Yeah, I think that you

19:22

can see how it can when it's

19:26

just titillating what is just

19:26

sort of, like, you know,

19:31

creating this experience, which

19:31

is designed to be primarily

19:35

entertainment. I mean, I suppose

19:35

all content in a way is quote

19:39

unquote, entertainment. But when

19:39

it's done just to entice and

19:43

entertain and there's no

19:43

reflection, there's no it's not

19:47

treated with any sort of gravity

19:47

or, or respect, I guess, but

19:53

when you start to lose that it's

19:53

that's not good. That's

19:56

unhealthy. So So that yeah,

19:56

that's the big difference, I

20:01

think, between us consuming

20:01

horror content, just as people

20:07

just as people who like horror

20:07

films, you know, and versus

20:10

consuming something like, true

20:10

crime, you know, and just doing

20:13

it gleefully, just consuming

20:13

gleefully. You know, I feel like

20:16

when we're watching horror films

20:16

has always been, again, like a

20:20

safe way to experience those

20:20

scary feelings. I think we can

20:24

still keep doing that. Having an

20:24

experience something kind of

20:27

scary. I don't know. How do you

20:27

feel about that?

20:30

Yeah, I think that it can

20:30

be a way to experience it

20:34

safely. But they're like, the

20:34

reason that we backed off from

20:39

recording this for a while is

20:39

because, you know, after that

20:42

happened in real life, that kind

20:42

of safety was kind of pulled out

20:45

from under us. And it doesn't

20:45

feel so much like fiction

20:49

anymore.

20:52

All right. Anything else

20:52

you want to talk about there?

20:54

Should we? I think that's all

20:54

right. Then we're going to jump

20:57

in to the actual scary movie

20:57

that we're going to talk about

21:00

today. Do you?

21:12

And before we jump into the rest

21:12

of the podcast, I just want to

21:15

mention that we will be

21:15

spoiling, spoiling, spoiling

21:17

everything in this movie,

21:17

starting with the movie summary

21:21

that we do every episode. So if

21:21

you've already seen scrim and

21:26

you kind of just want a refresher, you're gonna get that in a moment. If you have not

21:28

seen scrim and you'd like to see

21:30

it. We recommend just, you know,

21:30

come back to the podcast after

21:33

you've watched it. What a great

21:33

film. Super fun, you'll love it.

21:38

With that on to the summary.

21:43

screen plays with the

21:43

classic tropes of the horror

21:46

genre, repurposing them as

21:46

misdirection, red herrings, and

21:49

meta commentary on the genre and

21:49

the movie itself.

21:52

The film begins with

21:52

Casey Becker played by Drew

21:54

Barrymore in a classic horror

21:54

movie setup home alone at night

21:58

when the phone rings. Chatting with the apparent Wrong

22:25

Number caller, she is drawn into

22:28

a conversation that quickly

22:28

turns menacing. Realizing that

22:31

the caller is outside her

22:31

isolated countryside house, she

22:34

is taunted into playing horror

22:34

movie trivia to save the life of

22:36

her boyfriend and herself. Trivia challenges she fails to

22:51

meet, resulting in their deaths

22:54

at the hand of a robed ghost

22:54

masked knife wielding killer.

22:58

Having already confounded

22:58

our expectations that this

23:01

extended first scene was

23:01

presenting us with who we had

23:04

first believed to be the star

23:04

and main character. We move on

23:07

to the actual protagonist Sidney

23:07

Prescott, played by Neff

23:11

Campbell. She seems to be a

23:11

classic horror genre ingenue

23:15

sitting alone in her bedroom

23:15

doing her schoolwork.

23:31

Classic jumpscare later and her

23:31

boyfriend Billy played by skeet

23:35

Ulrich sneaks into her bedroom

23:35

for a makeout session during

23:38

which we realize that Sydney is

23:38

that most classic of horror film

23:42

trips, the virgin who turns down

23:42

her boyfriend's advances. In

23:46

this case, part of her

23:46

reluctance stems from her

23:48

mother's murder a year before. A

23:48

trauma is still fresh for Sydney

23:52

and her father played by

23:52

Lawrence Hecht.

23:54

After Billy leaves her

23:54

father comes in to tell her that

23:57

he's leaving on a trip. We won't

23:57

see much of him for the rest of

24:00

the film other than as an

24:00

implied suspect in the killings

24:03

to come.

24:04

Cut to the Woodsboro Town

24:04

High School, Sidney and her gang

24:07

of friends arrived to news

24:07

reporters swarming the front

24:10

lawn to cover the death of Kc

24:10

Becker and her boyfriend and I

24:13

before. Besides Sydney and Billy the

24:24

crew of kids that formed the

24:27

main High School characters for

24:27

the remainder of the film

24:30

include Sydney's BFF Tatum,

24:30

played by Rose McGowan. Randy a

24:34

horror film obsessive played by

24:34

Jamie Kennedy and Matthew

24:38

Lillard playing the self

24:38

centered class clowns do.

24:55

The next scene echoes the

24:55

opening. Sydney is alone at home

24:58

and the phone rings we know the

24:58

voice Have the killer and the

25:00

call takes a dark turn quickly

25:00

as the killer tonsor about her

25:03

mother's death. Moments later she's being chased

25:29

through her house by the dark

25:32

robed masked murderer till she

25:32

barricades herself in her room

25:35

and calls for help. Billy crawls

25:35

in through the window before the

25:38

police arrive and a cell phone

25:38

drops from his pocket. An

25:41

unusual item for a teenager in

25:41

1996. She looks at him with

25:45

growing suspicion and Billy is

25:45

soon under arrest at the police

25:48

station under suspicion of

25:48

murder.

26:09

Leaving the police station

26:09

after giving a statement Sydney

26:12

and her friend Tatum are

26:12

confronted by the reporter Gale

26:14

weathers played by Courtney Cox.

26:14

Sydney punches her after Gail

26:18

brings up her mother's murder

26:18

and leaves to spend the night at

26:21

Tatum's house

26:29

while they're Sydney

26:29

receives a call from the killer.

26:31

After this call and Billy's call

26:31

history is checked and found to

26:34

be clean. Billy himself is

26:34

released. Obviously innocent.

26:38

With all the chaos in the

26:38

town. The kids decide that now

26:40

is the perfect time for a house party. Gail weathers and a cameraman

26:55

stay got the place while the

26:57

kids watch Halloween on

26:57

videotape inside.

27:42

Randy recounts the rules of

27:42

horror films while Sidney

27:44

prepares to break the biggest

27:44

horror movie rule of all, losing

27:48

her virginity to Billy upstairs.

27:59

After a series of

27:59

killings occurred during the

28:01

party from Sydney's best friend

28:01

Tatum to Gale weathers

28:04

cameraman, we finally begin to

28:04

suspect Billy but he himself

28:07

falls at the hands of the masked

28:07

killer. As Sidney watches in

28:10

terror. She flees the killer and

28:10

is chased through the house

28:13

until she winds up face to face

28:13

with a very much alive Billy

28:17

covered in what turns out to be

28:17

fake blood.

28:40

We realized that it was

28:40

Billy working together with Stu

28:43

all along. Their maniacal

28:43

friendship hinges on murder the

28:46

game they took turns playing as

28:46

the masked killer with a voice

28:50

disguiser as they taught and now

28:50

captive Sidney they revealed

28:53

that her father is also tied up

28:53

and about to be killed along

28:56

with her.

28:57

Gale weathers intervenes

28:57

long enough to let Sydney get

29:00

away. Sydney herself dons the

29:00

killer's robes and turns the

29:03

table and billions to she Randy

29:03

and Gail face off against the

29:06

two psychopaths and after one

29:06

final jumpscare Bailey is

29:09

finally killed. And Sydney

29:09

having defied the horror film

29:12

rules stands victorious. Yay,

29:12

yay, certainly. Right. On to our

29:20

discussions

29:33

what an iconic movie.

29:35

Yeah, absolutely. 100% It

29:35

definitely changed. I mean, it

29:38

changed the aura industry for

29:38

sure. Yeah. So let's talk about

29:41

overall impressions. Yeah,

29:43

so this movie, really the

29:43

only thing I knew about it was

29:47

ghost face. Because so many

29:47

people talk like he's just an

29:50

iconic character like Freddy

29:50

Krueger, Michael Myles Meyers,

29:54

whatever. Yeah, but yeah, so

29:54

that was kind of the only thing

29:57

I knew about scream and also

29:57

that there were a bunch of like

30:00

sequels after it, which Wes

30:00

Craven directed four out of five

30:04

of I really liked it. It

30:04

reminded me of cabin in the

30:08

woods. Because I seen cabin in

30:08

the woods before this. I feel

30:13

like if I saw a cabin in the

30:13

woods now afterwards, it will

30:16

remind me of scream and so the

30:16

other way around, you know,

30:18

yeah, because, like ultimately

30:18

Cabin in the Woods is the kind

30:22

of satirical parody of all these

30:22

other movies screen being one of

30:26

them. Sure. But yeah, I really

30:26

like that it does a little bit

30:30

of kind of fourth wall breaking

30:30

when they talk about the like

30:33

rules of horror movies. When

30:33

Randy's talking about that and

30:37

explaining it while they're

30:37

watching Halloween. That's

30:39

something that everyone is kind

30:39

of like aware of like

30:42

subconsciously like yeah,

30:42

viewers of the movie, and then

30:44

he says it out loud and you're like, Oh, yeah.

30:46

Does he go over the

30:46

rules? So okay, so let's Yeah,

30:50

let's let's touch on that for a

30:50

second. So this movie definitely

30:52

plays with First of all, uses a

30:52

lot of the horror film tropes

30:56

that we've we've kind of

30:56

codified over decades. You know,

30:59

if you're a virgin, you live if

30:59

you have sex in a horror film,

31:03

you die, etc, etc. It takes all

31:03

those expectations, all those

31:07

tropes, and it uses them to kind

31:07

of manipulate our expectations a

31:11

little bit and to mislead us and

31:11

as red herrings.

31:14

Another thing I really

31:14

like about the movies, the

31:17

characters, they all seem really

31:17

solid, specifically, Dewey's

31:21

character. I love him. He's

31:23

so funny cast in this

31:23

movie is amazing. Yeah, I

31:25

know. The cast is really

31:25

good. I was watching this kind

31:28

of behind the scenes of the

31:28

cast. And it might have been

31:31

West Craven, the director

31:31

talking about how it was like he

31:35

got all these young actors who

31:35

it would get the screenplay for

31:39

it and they'd be like, what, who

31:39

was in it? I got to be in this

31:42

too. You know, like as a kind of

31:42

like, just trickled down to

31:45

Matthew

31:46

Lillard was cast though,

31:46

how he was he went to the

31:48

wherever they were holding the

31:48

auditions. He was there with his

31:51

then girlfriend for some other

31:51

film. And he was like, literally

31:55

in the hallway. And the casting

31:55

director was like, Hey, you

31:57

should read for this. And he got

31:57

the part.

32:00

Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah.

32:00

No, I think Matthew Lillard is

32:03

great at stew. Oh, totally. So

32:03

you brought up that Oh, somebody

32:07

will think that his performance

32:07

is done. Yeah, I don't think so.

32:11

I think it's perfect. I think

32:11

teens are just crazy. Sometimes.

32:15

Like they just read just, like

32:15

do weird stuff. Like, like, it's

32:20

not like have you been? Oh,

32:20

yeah. Like that. People are just

32:24

weird. Like, that's just how it

32:24

is. And also, he's like, a

32:26

little bit of an obsessive

32:26

psychopath. Yeah. I don't see

32:31

the arguments. And it's overdone.

32:32

I love him in this film.

32:32

I love that performance. He is.

32:36

I mean, it's an unforgettable

32:36

performance. I don't I'm not

32:39

annoyed by it at all. I don't know if people are annoyed by it, or they just feel like it's

32:41

like not nuanced or whatever.

32:44

But like, seriously, you're right. Like, have you seen it realized? Like, they're not

32:46

nuanced? No, half the time.

32:48

They're modular, like,

32:50

what are you? Like? I

32:50

think a lot of people are used

32:53

to seeing really complex,

32:53

nuanced performances. From like,

32:59

adults as teenagers, because

32:59

whatever. But yeah, like

33:06

whatever. Yeah. But I think I

33:06

think he's really great. And I

33:09

also think that his relationship

33:09

and that like dynamic with Billy

33:13

is so good. Yeah, the way I kind

33:13

of said it is like, Stu is

33:17

obsessed with Billy and Billy is

33:17

obsessed with killing people.

33:20

Yeah. So kind of by proxies

33:20

through is yeah,

33:24

that definitely feels

33:24

like the right vibe. I still

33:27

definitely seems totally Billy obsessed. He's just

33:29

he does whatever Billy

33:29

wants him to. Yeah. And at the

33:31

end of the movie, the I guess

33:31

they're trying to make it seem

33:33

like they're victims as well. So

33:33

they take turns stabbing each

33:38

other Stu and Billy. Alright,

33:38

and when Billy stopped Yeah,

33:40

yeah. When Billy steps do Sue

33:40

was like, Man, that really hurt

33:43

like that actually hurt. You can

33:43

see that. He looks afraid.

33:47

Yeah. You know, and hurt.

33:47

That's the moment where he's

33:49

like this got to read. Yeah,

33:51

like he's this whole time.

33:51

He's kind of been living in this

33:53

little fantasy because it hasn't

33:53

been affecting him.

33:56

Right. It definitely feels like they're playing a game. Yeah, yeah. No, they

33:59

literally said like, let's

33:59

play a game or whatever. Like,

34:01

what's your you know? And little

34:01

like the trivia. It's all fun to

34:05

them

34:16

okay, I remember where I

34:16

was going with that meandering

34:18

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, let's

34:18

just jump into that for a second

34:21

to set this up. So who wrote this

34:23

Williamson, specifically,

34:23

Kevin Williams, originally

34:26

titled scary movie,

34:28

which is interesting

34:28

because great later on a parody.

34:32

Yeah, so he writes, he writes

34:32

scream and the whole screenplay

34:37

deals with these horror movie

34:37

tropes and it kind of turns them

34:39

on their head and uses them to

34:39

manipulate the audience like a

34:42

you expect the version the kid

34:42

you know if you're a virgin you

34:46

survive if you have sexy die and

34:46

we see this girl have sex during

34:49

the movie where like that's it

34:49

for her it's curtains for which

34:52

she survived. So you know, all

34:52

the all this misdirection,

34:55

turning these tropes around.

34:55

What's interesting about that,

34:57

of course, is the they actually

34:57

list out the rules for films and

35:02

how to survive them. And I

35:02

remember so yes, there's a scene

35:05

during the house party where

35:05

they're watching Halloween and

35:07

Randy the character Randy is

35:07

giving the the list of rules.

35:12

You know, like, you can't have

35:12

sex. You can't drink the course

35:15

they're all drinking beers. And

35:15

you can't say I'll be right

35:17

back. Yeah, you know, like Steve

35:17

says, I'll be right back. And

35:21

does but there's a scene earlier

35:21

than that. That's what I wanted

35:24

to ask about, which was Randy

35:24

works in a video store. Yeah, I

35:27

feel like at that point, he was

35:27

like, you can't do these. He

35:30

also kind of touches on movie

35:30

tropes. And I can't remember if

35:33

they he goes into the rules that or not,

35:35

I feel like he does or

35:35

something like that. Because I

35:37

think Steve was there also like

35:37

being weird, you know, as usual

35:40

right. Yeah, so I think it's

35:40

really fitting that he works at

36:12

a video store. That's a nice

36:12

little love it. Also, the whole

36:17

movie is kind of riddled with

36:17

references to other movies. At

36:21

one point, Tatum says this funny

36:21

thing to say she goes, You're

36:25

starting to sound like a West carpenter.

36:28

Yes. And she she you

36:28

haven't seen spit in my grave.

36:32

But she's like, What is this

36:35

spit on my garage? It's so funny. But yeah, I think

36:41

I think I like how much it

36:45

relies on other movies.

36:49

This is a horror movie written by a guy who loves horror. Yeah.

36:52

That's what it feels like.

36:52

And it feels real because

36:55

they're referencing horror

36:55

movies that we've seen also, you

36:58

know, and they keep being like,

36:58

this feels just like a movie. Or

37:02

like, you can't do these things

37:02

in a horror movie. And you're

37:05

like, Well, this is you know,

37:05

like, these are real kids, you

37:07

know? So

37:09

very nice. I'd love that

37:09

tone. So yeah, good cast. Who

37:12

else would we like particularly

37:12

in the cast? I thought skied

37:15

Alright, she was great.

37:16

He was really good. And I

37:16

think you guys pretty boy, he

37:20

and Matthew, I think go really

37:20

well together because they're

37:23

kind of they're almost two sides

37:23

of the same coin. Like Matthew

37:27

was like crazy outgoing all over

37:27

the place. One and then Billy is

37:31

kind of the cold calculating one

37:31

that comes up with the ideas and

37:35

executes them. Yeah. And Stewart

37:35

says little like puppet

37:38

David Arquette. Oh, you

37:38

already mentioned this dude.

37:42

He's so he's Tatum. The BFF

37:42

Tatum. Yeah, he's her brother.

37:47

Yeah, older brother. So

37:47

originally, apparently, like in

37:50

the screenplay. He was supposed

37:50

to be just this goofy guy like

37:53

comic relief. But he turns out,

37:53

I think this was just because

37:57

David Arquette was playing him.

37:57

He turns out to be a really like

38:00

genuine and nice guy. Very

38:00

sweet. Yeah, I love him so much.

38:05

He's just this little ray of

38:05

sunshine in the movie. And

38:08

there's this funny scene where

38:08

he's talking to the police chief

38:11

because he's a police officer

38:11

and the police chief is smoking

38:14

a cigarette and do we is eating

38:14

an ice cream cone. And every

38:17

time that police chief takes a

38:17

drag Do we like takes little

38:20

bite of ice cream? It's funny,

38:20

because they don't like they

38:23

don't address that. It's just

38:23

like a little contrast between

38:26

the

38:27

beat for beat every time

38:27

the guy takes a drag live.

38:31

I love it. It just that's

38:31

really much his character.

38:33

Also, I feel like the

38:33

great chemistry between David

38:36

Arquette and Courtney Cox who I

38:36

think yeah, on this film,

38:39

really? Yeah, they're both

38:39

so human, you know? Yeah, it's

38:44

not some like crazy.

38:45

Gordon Cox is great in this room.

38:46

Yes, she is. I was

38:46

watching this behind the scenes.

38:49

And Courtney Cox said that she

38:49

had to kind of fight to get the

38:53

role as Gale weathers in the

38:53

horror movie because everyone

38:56

saw her as who she wasn't

38:56

friends, which I have not seen.

38:59

But she was she was great.

39:01

And it is amazing to me.

39:01

You haven't seen it was like

39:05

such a cult. I know. I know.

39:05

Yeah. One of the three shows. He

39:09

was watching.

39:09

But yeah, so she kind of

39:09

nobody saw her in that role as

39:14

someone in a horror movie but I

39:14

think she did a really good job

39:16

at it. I've also kind of you

39:16

know at times you hate her at

39:19

times you love her. She's kind

39:19

of a complex here, you know,

39:22

because she does keep pushing

39:22

said about her mother's murder.

39:26

Right and about No, she's great.

39:26

Yeah, she's a guy who supposedly

39:30

murdered her mother. What's

39:31

his name? Colin.

39:33

They just call them cotton. Really? Yeah,

39:34

gosh it's such a funny

39:34

name too because it just sounds

39:38

like the name of a drifter.

39:38

Right

39:42

yeah. And when when Sid

39:42

punches so that that part is

39:46

great. Yeah. I was like yeah.

39:46

You're getting kind of like you

39:51

feel what Stan is feeling as

39:51

you're getting kind of ticked

39:54

off with gale weather that she

39:54

keeps pushing about? Yeah, her

39:57

mother's death. What do you know

39:57

it is kind of insensitive No.

39:59

100 Sounds like Gail just wants

39:59

to get the real story.

40:03

She was. Yeah, she's

40:03

she's angling for her. So yeah,

40:06

for sure. I want to talk about another

40:17

quick fake out. That is just one

40:21

of my favorites. And that's the

40:21

Drew Barrymore fake out. Yes.

40:23

Yeah. And the great thing about

40:23

this is that the I'm pretty sure

40:28

that the posters at the time had

40:28

Drew Barrymore's face Ron and

40:33

center. Yeah, she's like, the

40:33

biggest face. Yeah. So you think

40:36

like, the moment you see the

40:36

posters on the wall of a

40:39

theater, you're like, oh, this

40:39

movie is going to the stars.

40:42

Drew Barrymore.

40:42

Yeah. You know, with like,

40:42

she's screaming on the cover

40:46

with like, her hand over her

40:46

mouth. I mean, porn F Campbell,

40:48

who, you know, is not on the

40:48

poster. But yeah, like she's

40:52

on the poster. I think it

40:52

is. What is a great pickup.

40:57

I know, I really like it.

40:57

Because immediately it's this

41:00

sense of untrustworthiness like

41:00

that scene communicates to the

41:05

viewer that anything could

41:05

happen. Like they're not afraid

41:08

to kill anyone off. Just because

41:08

someone is in the movie for a

41:11

long time. Doesn't mean that they're

41:12

being star and it Yeah, I

41:12

mean, the moment that you

41:15

realize she like the moment that

41:15

he stabs her, basically, up

41:19

until that moment, you're just

41:19

like, how is she gonna get out

41:22

of this? Because obviously, she's getting out of it. How is she getting? How she was?

41:26

She's not Yeah, no, it's

41:26

good. And the fact that her

41:29

boyfriend is killed to like,

41:29

it's just, it's crazy. And I

41:34

think you read this in the

41:34

Wikipedia, but they had to cut

41:37

out so the

41:37

way video that's what?

41:37

YouTube?

41:45

No, yeah. So they had to

41:45

cut out some of the gory or

41:48

scenes of like, guts, like

41:48

rolling down their legs. Yeah.

41:53

He was like, very specific when he was laying down. Specifically the small

41:54

intestine. Yeah, yeah. And I

41:59

think they actually filmed it.

41:59

They cut it. Yeah. Which is too

42:02

bad.

42:02

I wouldn't complain if it

42:02

wasn't. We'd like to see a

42:05

Director's Cut. Just that. Yeah.

42:09

We didn't look for any

42:09

deleted scenes. I guess on this

42:12

one. There weren't any on the blu ray. We

42:13

read. I don't know. I mean, maybe they were just so like, they just couldn't include

42:15

them. Also, there was a scene

42:17

that Kevin Williamson, the

42:17

screen writer wanted to take

42:21

out, but Wes Craven kept it in.

42:21

And I think it's a pretty good

42:24

scene. I think that it you know,

42:24

add something to the movie. It's

42:28

where Sydney's in the bathroom

42:28

in one of the stalls and she

42:31

overhears these two girls

42:31

talking about her about her

42:35

mother, which that always seems

42:35

to happen in movies

42:56

I'm never really have some real

42:56

life, but like that, like

42:59

they're talking about her and she's

43:01

in a school of like,

43:01

several 100 standards. You just

43:04

happen to be the bathroom for

43:04

the two Exactly. Girls are in

43:06

there talking about you. Yeah, but

43:07

yeah, so they talking

43:07

about her mom about like, I

43:11

guess her mom had like a

43:11

reputation as like, a sloth or

43:15

something.

43:17

Yeah, well, I mean, that

43:17

would be a harsh way of putting

43:19

it. Oh, yes. The moms looked

43:19

around. Right. That's I think

43:22

that's the phrase that you Yeah,

43:22

it's one of those things where,

43:26

at first for sure. Neff doesn't

43:26

believe it? And sorry, enough

43:32

Campbell. Actually doesn't leave

43:32

it. method actor. Yeah. Yeah. So

43:40

So Sydney doesn't believe it.

43:40

And then she slowly realizes

43:43

like, actually, maybe my mom

43:43

wasn't a great person or was

43:47

cheating on my dad. Or whatever.

43:47

Yeah,

43:50

that's another thing about

43:50

the adult situation. Yeah,

43:53

that's not addressed that much.

43:53

No, but there is kind of a be

43:57

plot or move and see plot, like

43:57

a really underground plot. Her

44:02

mom's like, post humorous

44:02

character arc, I guess. Like

44:06

through the the eyes of Sid

44:06

Yeah. Who's realizing that?

44:11

Yeah. Oh, my God, maybe cotton

44:11

is innocent. Like yo weathers

44:15

the news reporter keeps saying

44:15

unworthy. I don't know where

44:19

they come. I don't know. But

44:19

yeah, I think that's really

44:25

interesting, because it's hard.

44:25

I mean, it must have been hard

44:29

for her to come to terms with

44:29

the fact that Marie Kondo is Oh

44:33

my god. So his first name is cotton.

44:35

His first name was God,

44:35

who is such a drifter, and I'm

44:38

telling you Yeah, Ma'am, can we

44:38

come in and sit down for a

44:44

spill? And then that's it then

44:44

they have an affair and

44:48

yeah, so yeah, that's

44:48

really interesting to to see her

44:52

at first be in really like

44:52

complete denial about it and

44:55

then come to accept that

44:56

Yeah. And I think at one

44:56

point in Tatum or BFF, actually,

44:59

as well. Like actually your mom,

44:59

like, right away?

45:03

Yeah. But also I really

45:03

liked Neff Campbell. In the, in

45:11

the movie acid I think, just

45:11

like her look, I think it was

45:15

Wes Craven who said this

45:15

actually. But in the behind the

45:17

scenes video that I was

45:17

watching. He said like, when he

45:22

first saw Neff Campbell, he was

45:22

like, Oh, she's gonna have to

45:25

toughen up like, she's a little.

45:25

She's kind of delicate. Like

45:29

yeah, but he said he was

45:29

surprised by her that she could

45:31

handle everything that was

45:31

happening in the movie because

45:33

you know, there's a lot of stuff

45:33

happens in the movies, a lot of

45:36

Yeah, like death, a lot of gory

45:36

stuff. And he was like, what he

45:40

said was like, I was just gonna

45:40

be like boot camp for her. You

45:42

know, she handled and she she

45:42

was really good. She can be

45:44

pretty fierce and tough. Yeah,

45:44

for sure. I think she does a

45:47

really good job of coming off as

45:47

a believable high school girl,

45:50

but then also dealing with what

45:50

happens to her and a good kind

45:54

of,

45:54

yeah, she has a little

45:54

bit of a Laurie strode, you

45:57

know, come to although even she

45:57

toughens up way more than Laurie

46:01

strode. Really? Yeah. Yeah. But

46:01

she has to really confront her

46:05

boyfriend who she just slept

46:05

with and then kill him. Not only

46:10

that, she like puts on the

46:10

costume and the character. Yeah,

46:13

sounds good.

46:15

That's kind of a thing

46:15

that it's great throughout the

46:17

whole movie is it's kind of a

46:17

guessing game like a whodunit.

46:20

Yeah. Wes Craven was talking

46:20

about how he was always thinking

46:23

about and trying to make it

46:23

plausible that any any one of

46:27

the characters could have been

46:27

the killer. Like he was making

46:29

sure that they were all like at

46:29

a place they needed to be at the

46:32

specific time they needed to be

46:32

for it to be plausible for them

46:36

to be the killer. Right? And

46:36

you're kind of like Billy is so

46:39

like, kind of suspicious. Yeah.

46:39

That you think there's no way it

46:42

could be him? Because he's so

46:42

obvious, right? But then you're

46:45

kind of taught like, it's kind

46:45

of like going back and forth.

46:48

It's like, he's so suspicious.

46:48

There's no way but then it's

46:50

like, oh, maybe they really did.

46:50

Maybe he does. He doesn't very

46:53

well. What he's like, right, he

46:55

presents this whole like

46:55

sometimes he seems caring not

46:58

caring sometimes he seems a

46:58

little psycho. Sometimes not.

47:01

Yeah, like we're a little like

47:01

somehow weirdly disconnected.

47:04

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Emotionally.

47:04

Um, we haven't talked about the

47:07

principle at all. But I just want to shout out to Henry Winkler who's an amazing actor.

47:09

Yeah, I grew up with him on

47:13

happy days playing the Fonz. And

47:13

he was, you don't know this, but

47:18

at one point when I was I must

47:18

have been five and a half or six

47:23

years old. I dressed up as the

47:23

Fonz and put on a little

47:26

performance, like a Fonz seating

47:26

from Happy Days for my family.

47:31

Worship fun. So Henry Winkler

47:31

plays the principal, you know

47:38

him from having watched the rest

47:38

of the development of course, he

47:40

plays a lawyer. And he'd, you

47:40

know, he he's great in that

47:45

role. And he also like, is a

47:45

little sometimes he's

47:47

threatening and at one point,

47:47

you think it could be him

47:50

because he's kind of like, you

47:50

know, threatening these students

47:52

with this knife? Yeah. And but

47:52

then soon after that he dies

47:57

Yeah,

47:57

so the reason they killed

47:57

off the principal was because

48:02

they were like, oh, there's this

48:02

whole like 30 minute chunk of

48:05

the movie where no one dies?

48:05

That's unacceptable. Yeah, they

48:08

killed the principal and then

48:08

then also, I don't know if they

48:11

were planning this from when they decided to kill the principal, but that serves a

48:12

purpose later on in the movie,

48:16

like at the very end, when you

48:16

know, everyone's at the party,

48:18

and then they get some call

48:18

that's like, hey, the principal

48:21

is dead. He's like on the field,

48:21

right, like on the five horse I

48:24

mean, I don't know. Let's go

48:24

Let's go see the body before the

48:30

total grant I know. So that's

48:30

when they like leave Randy alone

48:34

to be killed

48:35

right? Yeah, it's funny.

48:35

So some Yeah, some of the

48:38

characters you definitely they

48:38

turn they do like a 180 that's

48:41

would be Billy for sure. stew

48:41

for sure. We're like actually

48:46

no, Stu is nuts the whole time?

48:46

Yeah, no. Yeah, he he slots

48:50

right into psycho roll.

48:52

Yeah, he's like he's it's

48:52

kind of like hidden in plain

48:54

sight. Like he's just crazy.

48:57

Yeah, he's hidden in

48:57

plain sight. You're right 100%

48:59

Billy is very good. He's a

48:59

chameleon. And Sammy

49:03

both work. Yeah. Because

49:03

you like Sue is so crazy. You're

49:07

like, that's just how he is.

49:09

Gail I like she's just

49:09

tough as nails the whole time

49:13

but she does go there's a little

49:13

bit of a transformation cuz she

49:15

like or maybe not a

49:15

transformation maybe it's just

49:17

more Gale weathers. But she

49:17

comes back into the house with a

49:21

gun right? So she doesn't really

49:21

need to do that right. She

49:23

doesn't need to come in and confront the killer.

49:25

But she kind of saved them. Yeah,

49:28

of course. Then you see

49:28

she's going on air like moments

49:30

later

49:31

with like your hair is

49:34

tougher. Gale weathers

49:34

Yeah, nobody walks out of that.

49:37

Yeah, so that's why I'm like

49:37

we're the true there's two hero

49:40

Gale weathers. That's what

49:40

I like about her character arc

49:43

is she goes from this kind of

49:43

antagonist like just this

49:46

annoying lady who's following

49:46

suit to the person who saves

49:49

them all.

49:50

Yep. Great scene though

49:50

is when her cameraman gets

49:52

killed. And wait, who is driving

49:52

the van? Is it Gail whether it's

49:57

driving the van or is VoIP? Yes.

49:57

No yeah so Geller This goes out

50:02

to the van. Her camera has been

50:02

killed. She does not know this

50:05

and she starts the van up and

50:05

she's like I cannot see out of

50:08

the front windows and she turns

50:08

the windshield wiper on and it's

50:11

covered in blood you didn't

50:11

realize it's a beautifully, it's

50:14

perfectly because

50:15

it just looks dark. It

50:15

just looks dark first and then

50:18

the windshield wipers Come on, like oh my god.

50:22

It's the glorious,

50:22

nastiest noise. Like it was

50:26

squeaky noise and like the blood

50:26

being flicked all over. The body

50:32

of the cameraman slides off. And

50:32

he's hanging over the front.

50:39

Like to me that was like almost

50:39

the perfect. Yeah, yeah. It's

50:43

funny. Crazy. Crazy. It's scary.

50:43

Everything's happening all at

50:47

once.

50:48

Yeah. Oh, no. The thing is

50:48

Gil, whether it's like goes into

50:51

the party, and sets up a

50:51

recording device to record the

50:55

kids. Yeah, no creepy, but um,

50:55

then she sets up a monitor in

50:59

her like news van. And she and

50:59

the cameraman are watching them.

51:03

But there's a 32nd delay between

51:03

what it records and what it

51:07

displays on their monitor.

51:09

This is 1986 technology.

51:09

So the hidden camera

51:11

transmitter, some 630 seconds

51:11

for those little radio waves to

51:15

crawl their way over to the

51:15

truck. And

51:17

so what's going on is like

51:17

Gale weathers his left. Yeah, I

51:21

think with Dewey. Yeah, like

51:21

they're going on some sort of

51:23

like romantic walk or something.

51:23

And so the cameraman is alone in

51:28

the van and he watches Randy get

51:28

murdered on the couch cuz he's

51:33

alone because all the other kids

51:33

went to see the principal's

51:36

right. Nobody

51:37

thinks Randy's murdered.

51:37

All right. Yeah, he's he's good.

51:40

Yeah. And so Randy is

51:40

actually this is so funny. Randy

51:44

is yelling at the movie

51:44

Halloween. He's having Turn

51:47

around, turn around, you know,

51:50

wow. Killer is coming up

51:50

behind him. And yeah,

51:52

so then the cameraman is

51:52

talking to his mic as I turn

51:55

around. Yeah. And then he sees

51:55

the killer leave the room and

52:00

like go out of the house. And he's like, Oh, my God, he's gonna come for me. But then he's

52:02

like, 32nd delay.

52:05

He says that like, just

52:05

as he leaves the van, or just as

52:08

he's opening or something like

52:08

that, right? Like, it's like the

52:11

realization dawns on him. And

52:11

then he gets

52:14

Yeah. Which is so funny.

52:14

It is. It's

52:16

great. It's such a

52:16

beautiful, like, multi layer.

52:19

No, yeah. Randy watching the

52:19

video and yelling at the screen

52:23

and the cameraman watching the

52:23

video screen and also watching

52:26

the movie. Great. Beautifully

52:26

done. Great. Congratulations.

52:29

Yeah. Okay, anything you change in the

52:35

film?

52:38

Huh? Ah, I feel like the

52:38

thing about her mom, I would

52:44

have liked to see that maybe

52:44

developed a little bit more

52:47

tough to do in a Yeah,

52:47

yeah,

52:50

I hear you're like, sure.

52:50

But I feel like what they put in

52:52

was enough to have me wanting to

52:52

know more about it. So you know,

52:57

maybe something about like at

52:57

the end like she's talking about

53:00

her mommy or something like

53:00

that. I think that would have

53:02

been good to kind of wrap up that little,

53:04

especially when it makes me think about the quarry. Another David. Yeah, property,

53:06

the video game that we played

53:10

recently where he had some, you

53:10

know, basically, summer camp

53:14

horror films. Yeah. And you have

53:14

such a great opportunity to

53:17

really dig into a lot of

53:17

backstory. Yeah, through that

53:19

game.

53:20

Yeah, like Scream almost

53:20

feels like this thing. It when

53:23

it feels like what I like about

53:23

it is that it feels like a real

53:27

rich world. You know, like,

53:27

there are things happening in

53:31

the movie like that would happen

53:31

in real life. And they give just

53:34

enough kind of glimpse into

53:34

these other thing about

53:37

something in particular, not

53:37

really just like, you know, the

53:39

fight that Randy works at a

53:39

video store. You know, that her

53:42

mom, this reporter has been

53:42

hounding her. Yeah, it's

53:45

funny. Do you have a

53:45

sense of the town? I think Yeah.

53:47

You got a really good sense of

53:47

the town from this film. Yeah.

53:50

All right. I don't know. I feel

53:50

like we've covered a lot of

53:53

bases there. Yeah, we've got I

53:53

don't think there's anything I

53:56

would change one of these days.

53:56

We're going to do the movie that

53:59

prompted this question, by the

53:59

way, which is the movie that

54:01

actually started this podcast,

54:01

which we have now reviewed?

54:04

We okay, I don't know if

54:04

we've ever even mentioned this.

54:06

I don't think so on the podcast.

54:06

So since this has been like you

54:09

feel a little like Easter you

54:09

can find out. So we watched the

54:17

movie Oculus actually. Okay, we

54:17

used to do this really fun

54:20

thing. It was like maybe a few

54:20

summers ago. Or maybe it was

54:25

back when we had fun. Yeah, like

54:25

during COVID or something. When

54:29

everything was on lockdown. It

54:29

would be like 10 or 11 at night.

54:33

Yeah. And sometimes I just go

54:33

wandering around the house.

54:36

Because my mom and my brother

54:36

they both go to sleep super

54:39

early. We don't know. They're

54:39

going to sleep early at night. I

54:46

hate waking up early. So it's

54:46

not like it would be 10 or 11. I

54:48

just be wandering the house and

54:48

every so often I'd find you down

54:51

here playing a video game or

54:51

watching a movie or something

54:54

and we choose a horror movie and

54:54

watch it Yeah, that was so fun

54:58

to do it again. But one of the

54:58

movies we want Just one night

55:00

was Oculus not a super well

55:00

known horror movie or not as

55:04

well known? Oh, yeah, not as

55:04

fun. Yeah. But that night, we

55:10

talked for a long time just

55:10

annulled basically doing what we

55:14

do on the podcast here. Yeah. So

55:14

we weren't recording. And that

55:18

was like, that was years ago.

55:18

Yeah, I must have been at this

55:21

point. Because I think at one point, I was like, Hey, we should record this. You kind of

55:23

had to convince me to do this.

55:26

But now we'll say threatened

55:27

but

55:32

but yeah, yeah. I'm glad I

55:32

decided, like, I wasn't sure

55:36

about doing this podcast because

55:36

it was like, will it ever even

55:39

get off the ground? Sure. How do

55:39

you do a podcast? But I am. I'm

55:43

so grateful that I did do it.

55:43

And I'm so I'm very happy with

55:47

it. I love doing this podcast.

55:47

It's so fun. And I'm so glad

55:52

that a lot of people connect

55:52

with it and enjoy it. And I

55:54

would like to thank Oculus are

55:54

starting at all.

55:57

Yeah, we'll record it.

55:57

I'm grateful for this podcast,

56:00

too. I think it's awesome.

56:01

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56:01

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56:04

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56:08

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56:10

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56:10

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56:13

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56:13

Alright,

56:25

nothing like the psycho scream.

56:27

Let's go. Oh, yeah,

56:27

actually are the Wilhelm scream

56:31

did nothing Well, I'm screaming Oh, I

56:32

feel like yeah, no, I

56:33

feel like it's a scream that gets used over and over again. Yeah, after movie. Yeah.

56:35

That's not bad. I think. I'm

56:42

sure you're gonna hear that.

56:42

Well, this can be could be like

56:44

actually, because it sounds kind

56:44

of crazy.