0:06

That's the goal at the end of the day.

0:08

It's not to put something out that

0:10

people don't like, but that's

0:12

the... Alhamdah,

0:30

alhamdah, alhamdah. How

0:39

did Uncle Fred go? He's

0:41

had a great white show. Once bit and twice shy.

0:44

You're not familiar with him? What, he was an aquarium?

0:46

Have you seen sharks? Not quite.

0:48

Not quite. He's a shitty metal fan from the

0:50

80s. Tell

0:57

him Steve, Dave. Hello

0:59

and welcome to this week's edition of Tell

1:01

him Steve, Dave. I'm here with Walt. Hello.

1:04

I'm not here with BQ though. No BQ

1:06

this week. We are here,

1:08

however, with the man, the myth, the maverick,

1:11

Ming Chen. Hello, everybody. Whoo!

1:15

That's a round of applause for Ming Chen. Well,

1:17

what a turn of events. How

1:20

so? Rarely, I wasn't applauded in,

1:22

not for the 31 and 33 and a

1:24

third. I'm

1:27

sort of 200. You're

1:29

a rags to riches story.

1:33

You really are. You're the most

1:36

unlikely podcasting guru. Yeah,

1:40

I guess so. When you think about

1:42

it, it all started with an offhand suggestion

1:44

from you. You were

1:46

like, you and Mike should do it. I

1:48

want to see you and Mike do a

1:50

podcast. And then that suggestion goes on to

1:53

his own studio, multiple

1:55

studios, multiple podcasts, awards.

1:58

Yeah. Podcasts, on

2:02

all seven continents? I mean, I'm

2:04

sure it has. You

2:06

podcasted on all seven continents?

2:08

No, not yet. How

2:11

many continents, Roger? There's

2:16

seven, yeah. So how many have you

2:18

podcasted on? Like maybe three. So you're

2:20

halfway there. I'm getting there, yeah. So

2:23

let's back it up, though. So North America.

2:26

Right. Well, okay,

2:28

North America. That's it? I think I'm,

2:30

oh no, I podcasted in Dubai. Dubai,

2:33

okay. That's to Asia, right? That's, I mean, that's

2:35

the Middle East. Yeah. But I think it's

2:37

considered, is it considered Asia? I don't know. I'm

2:39

too ignorant. If only we had somebody. There's

2:41

a guy who knows. Who knows, you know,

2:43

but unfortunately he's not allowed to talk. Yeah.

2:49

That's because there's some Debbie Downers.

2:51

Yeah. And then there are people out there

2:53

that are like, you should know this. This is basic knowledge. You shouldn't have

2:56

to go to get them. Hey, I knew there were seven continents. That's pretty

2:58

good. You know? I

3:00

mean, I've been podcasting a Scotland one, so

3:02

that's three. I believe that's three. That's true.

3:04

So what's left, South America? That's Africa. Africa,

3:06

Antarctica. Australia. Any

3:09

cons scheduled in the

3:11

Congo? None in the

3:13

Congo. No, there are no, no,

3:15

Amy, you want pods. Taken by rebel

3:18

forces. Ernie Hudson has

3:20

kidnapped me. We're looking for

3:22

jewels and podcasts in the Congo. Why

3:24

Ernie Hudson? That movie, Congo. Oh, okay.

3:26

I thought I'd figure out the way I've done it, that

3:29

is not. Yeah,

3:31

like Rilla's name was Amy, right? Yeah, Amy, oh

3:33

my god. So

3:38

we've been up to, Mink. We don't

3:40

often catch up with you. Yeah, no, it's been a

3:42

busy year so far. Two cruises. Two

3:44

cruises. Yeah, we never caught up on the view of Skew

3:47

Cruise. How'd you do on that one? Because I know on

3:49

the Joker's Cruise you had a good time. I had a

3:52

great time. Yeah. Yeah, big smiles on

3:54

our faces. Both of ours, man. I've never seen you so

3:56

happy. It was great, man. I had a good time. Yeah.

3:59

Yeah. It's only like five days out of

4:02

every like four years that I get to smile

4:04

like that I mean it's beat zero like before

4:07

zero zero would suck. Yeah Yeah,

4:09

the views good cruise is good. It was different for

4:12

sure. Yeah, and yeah, it

4:14

was fun though But you know no one true

4:16

threes no rap no rap battles. No Jimmy the

4:18

hair guy. Why not though? Why not? Why couldn't

4:20

you just get a rap battle go and just

4:22

grab somebody in the you know, maybe Dante Be

4:26

like I'm challenging you to a rap duel right now Me

4:33

versus Jimmy the hair guy did you perform at all

4:35

or were you just so I Had

4:38

one job. They did a more at two

4:40

script reading and I was given

4:42

a part on page 47 in the script the

4:46

the part of podcaster It's

4:48

podcaster in the movie and

4:50

they were under a strict time limit. They ended at page

4:52

43. I think it might be Yeah,

4:55

I think you might be typecast as a podcaster

4:57

at this time. That's fine with me Reading

5:01

ended before I got to my lines So

5:05

you got so you have to do anything you got that free I got

5:08

free cruise to do I had to do

5:10

nothing Yeah, you can't beat that. Yeah. Yeah

5:12

We're coming up main it is it

5:15

is you commandeered the ship and took it to Africa so

5:17

you can Take

5:20

off one of the continents I need to pod on

5:22

check Lightly

5:27

DB Cooper Not

5:31

as exciting as a cruise but I went to another blue

5:34

October concert yesterday Really

5:38

This one was an Englewood Which is so fucking

5:40

far away from where we live like I thought

5:42

like when I heard angle what I thought for

5:44

some reason It was like probably

5:46

up around like exit like 150 or something.

5:48

I was wrong. It's it's almost it's like

5:50

the exit before the George Washington Bridge.

5:53

Oh, so it's up there. Oh, yeah Yeah,

5:56

it was traffic Both

5:58

ways even though we got out at midnight night. What,

6:00

Mr. Heavy Breather over here? Oh, he sounds

6:03

like someone's putting her marathon over there. He

6:05

said, you don't sound good. People are going

6:07

to be complaining that they can hear him

6:09

off night breathing. How

6:11

many totals is for you? I think it's like

6:13

five. Five blow October concerts? I've seen

6:15

blow October more than any band that I actually

6:17

like. Wow. Yeah.

6:20

So like at 10, do you get like a bathrobe or something

6:22

or like a challenge coin? I better get something, man. Any

6:25

pointed out the beard again? Because we're

6:27

close enough. Right. Because

6:30

I said to Mary Beth, I was like, come on, man. I

6:32

don't want to be that close. I don't want any attention. It's

6:35

just weird. It's just weird like every time.

6:38

And she was

6:40

like, no, no, we're in row B. There's row like

6:42

A, A, B, B, and then it goes to B.

6:44

But like A, A, B, B, C, C, that was

6:46

it. And then it was A, B.

6:48

So like it's like for me to go. I

6:51

think, though, those guys, there's no way they think

6:53

it's weird. They're just happy that someone's willing to

6:55

pay that often. To go

6:57

see them? To sit that close? They're grateful. They're

7:00

not weirded out. They're just like, thank God. Yeah.

7:03

Thank God they're still coming out. Is it the same set list

7:05

every time? No. No, they

7:07

just came out with a new album. And

7:10

I really thought I was not going to like the

7:12

opening band. They're called the Vears. And

7:17

I was like, I'm not. Because I don't like opening bands generally. Like

7:20

I'm not a live music kind of guy unless I

7:22

know the band. I know the

7:24

band that I'm into it. But if it's like music

7:27

that I'm not familiar with, I just can't get into

7:29

it. I'm not like one of these people that dance

7:31

around. Well, that's very telling, though. You

7:35

are unwilling to give something

7:37

a try. It's

7:40

a lot about like, you know, there's a like you're

7:42

not even willing to give it a shot. You're just

7:44

like, I'm not into it. And you don't even know.

7:46

You haven't even written a note. And

7:49

you're just like, nope, not for me. Yeah, it's not for me. I

7:52

got a guy right over here. Complete opposite. There's

7:54

not a chance on the planet. You'll give anything a try, right? It's

7:57

for me. Automatic.

8:00

I'm sorry I you know you're like it

8:02

or not if you know your to try

8:04

exactly. Well. He to see

8:06

little bit lot of stuff. you know who you know

8:08

you don't give everything a try know that off your

8:11

pretty sure you're not going according to you. I do.

8:13

but about. What?

8:15

every every everything in my mother, as in

8:18

the there wasn't There was a moment of.

8:21

I. Have to say I'm almost a little

8:23

ashamed. That. Other know his

8:25

whereabouts is so into this band. it's like

8:27

when I'm like ugh, I sit down at

8:29

certain points in Afghanistan and also confirm. And

8:32

I'm watch him hurt. And Sisters has the

8:35

biggest smile on her face and she's dancing

8:37

unceasing and and she knows all the words

8:39

and she's having a fucking great time. And

8:41

all of sudden like noticed that like the.

8:44

Fire. Alarm. Things.

8:46

Are are flashing you know like the

8:48

the alarms prefer of for a smoke

8:50

alarm or whatever. And.

8:53

When. There's a low on the music. You're like

8:55

the fucking fire alarms go off. And.

8:59

Nobody else list or know I can hear it but there's

9:01

a noise. Nobody can hear it

9:03

because the music so loud. Yeah and I'm yeah,

9:05

but a flash is seeking that we simply it

9:07

flashes but yes wasn't really that bright like a

9:09

didn't like flair. Separately I notice and first and

9:11

then or the great what's that wise I blink

9:13

and like that and then I heard with a

9:15

heard the noise and was like holy shit the

9:17

filers don't have everybody still dancing and singing the

9:20

haven't a great time The band's playing within their

9:22

mike's got cut because they had to get everybody

9:24

out of the theater. And.

9:27

There. Was a part of me that's like there's no

9:29

way the gonads get everybody out of his theater

9:31

and then back in the then yeah as far

9:34

as a racket I'm large are having a good

9:36

at on I sought. And.

9:38

In that moment I was like to leave early.

9:40

It was like I was. I was about

9:42

like half over and over. so happy and

9:45

so we're standing outside. Standing outside. it's fucking

9:47

freezing. Nobody said anything, was probably like ten

9:49

minutes or so and another guy and are

9:51

waiting for back and fire department never came.

9:54

The. I don't not like it so it wasn't It

9:56

was like as nice as the bc. I would

9:58

say it was a nice theater but. The

10:00

first thing I notice when we walked and. Know.

10:02

Metal detectors, Know. Wanting.

10:05

Nothing of any kind. Rarely

10:07

saw. you can walk and now concealing.

10:09

I could have had a concealed gun

10:11

on because it is New Jersey so

10:13

you can conceal carry a gun or

10:15

what is unusual. I. Was

10:18

almost like and and it's a it's. It

10:20

was also. The.

10:23

Widest concert I've ever been. So good At

10:25

a certain point I was looking around I

10:28

was I looking at the demographic, seen what

10:30

was what and I'm like there's no there's

10:32

there and absolutely no minority here and will

10:34

ever met that was of answer. My went

10:37

to doctor was what I know I think

10:39

us always wanted to blackmail thanks and air

10:41

I was like this is like if you

10:43

said if you thought you wandered into a

10:46

klan rally something even bigger and every everybody's

10:48

would think again a subject by blocked over

10:50

yeah I I heard of such as observed.

10:52

Blocks over isn't. Liking this a Thousand and

10:55

Sisters how their audiences be described them as

10:57

klan rally. A threat of it was a

10:59

orderly dismissal from the fire alarm. There was

11:01

no like there was like great deal than

11:03

want to leave for the Great White cancer.

11:05

like not allow an hour. That's how you

11:07

meet your doom like you're either trampled under

11:10

and at a great weather looked our cancer

11:12

difference. I brought that up to Mary Beth.

11:14

For for those of you who are familiar

11:16

with the story that makes talking about in

11:18

Rhode Island years ago in early two thousand

11:20

and it was held there was a Great

11:22

White concert and. They. Used

11:25

pyrotechnics. Against

11:27

the club rules and the insulation in

11:29

the ceiling caught on fire and it

11:31

wasn't really the fire think that killed

11:34

everybody but the the fumes from the

11:36

the burning insulation like went down in

11:38

just like immediately not people out and

11:40

killed. In their

11:42

hundred rubles. Yeah was like one hundred. While

11:44

people are unemployed, I was nuts. I saw

11:46

people that stop trying to get out. don't

11:49

burn a little Is was only one exit

11:51

lot of i'm Burned loss as a rule.

11:53

Yikes. Is if

11:55

you're going to go see an event. At.

11:58

least make it a band that site a

12:00

once in a lifetime concert, not

12:02

some band that like, nobody even

12:05

knows, like who was it again?

12:08

Great White? Yes, I'm saying, like most people are gonna

12:10

be like, how did Uncle Fred go? He's

12:12

had a great White show. Once been twice

12:14

shy, you're not familiar with it? Was it

12:16

Aquarium? Was it Sharp? Yeah, not quite. Not

12:18

quite, some shitty metal band from the 80s.

12:22

Was not even the real lead singer anymore, I'm

12:25

sure. I'm sure it was only like one original

12:27

band member. Yeah. I'm

12:30

glad you survived. Yeah, we survived. Also

12:32

met a 13%er there, Lauren. Yeah?

12:36

Yeah, who told me privately that

12:38

she's hoping to get them gets back after

12:41

this big court game. Oh, yeah, I feel

12:43

the tide is a turning. Really?

12:46

Yeah, I don't know if you've kept

12:48

up with, Oh yeah. TSD, but. Yeah,

12:50

oh yeah. There has been a vocal

12:52

portion of the audience who have threatened

12:56

financial repercussion.

12:58

Yes, withdrawing their patrons subscriptions.

13:01

If they're hitting you in the wallet. If

13:03

Gittem wasn't silenced on mic, so we are

13:06

going with a little

13:08

trial basis here for a while. And

13:11

then we're, and then actually, we're gonna

13:13

find out once and for all, someone's

13:15

gonna make their case to keep them off. And we have a

13:17

sexy lawyer, and I don't know if you've heard. Oh

13:20

yeah, yeah, I listen to every episode. And he

13:22

is going to defend Gittem and see if he

13:24

can make the case to win

13:26

over the listeners or something. I

13:29

hope to be in the gallery on that fateful day.

13:31

I'm sure you might be a character witness. Oh, wow,

13:33

okay. I mean,

13:35

not since the OJ trial. What if

13:37

the prosecution called you as a witness? And

13:40

will you testify for the prosecution

13:42

or are you? I

13:45

might have a few things to say. To

13:48

keep them off? Not completely,

13:51

not completely. I don't think he's completely

13:53

useless. No. Was

13:57

He putting in one too many times? In

14:00

the majors and cranky portion of

14:02

the audience as well as Zola,

14:05

I feel like know, I

14:07

have seen far more requests

14:09

for his returned. So.

14:11

Like absence makes the heart. Grow.

14:13

Fonder. And it is starting

14:16

to happen. I see it. I knew it

14:18

would happen. Okay, you would happen Okay I

14:20

mean what will find out soon? We will.

14:23

I will. I don't know what avenues

14:25

you been checking for this or this

14:28

but I've got a private email wind

14:30

that blows up after every episode was

14:32

no like please bring get him back

14:34

on was. So enough

14:36

is enough. associates deserted assists in Mississippi

14:38

A D S S S. This is

14:40

Wow. Wow are ya of the shakes

14:43

out and and summers favor for hear?

14:45

The question is though because you're people

14:47

who are threatening to cancel Patron if

14:49

he stays, People who were threatening to

14:51

cancel if he goes. So

14:54

so whoever, whatever side you

14:56

know clinical wins. Will. They

14:58

will the other side follow the letter of

15:00

law and not cancel pretty. Lonesome

15:04

seem determined. Sorry to say well, how

15:06

we can enforce that ruling is listed

15:09

as. Adults as

15:11

is our credit card company has is a

15:13

been sergeant four months that are not on

15:15

as they are they so they just don't.

15:18

Want to give away all your information for

15:20

out every get These people bastard them more

15:22

all the puck not sending a stimulant people

15:24

say they want thought that's with only given

15:27

footnotes and as. Pure sports stars than are

15:29

like I don't listen to sports oh

15:31

like dissolved is not like the all

15:33

pop, not miles of people. Forget the

15:35

old topnotch became. Listener

15:38

ball because we were in Talk About Hockey.

15:40

This double sucked right? Are talking about

15:42

anything but hockey's Se and earlier and that's

15:44

what happened as why it became. A

15:48

podcast A people you know put on

15:50

a pedestal for whatever reason is because

15:52

you weren't talking about sport right? Those.

15:55

Are my favorite times on Pokemon. or

15:58

five years there's a huge sports really

16:00

stuff is okay. If there was some

16:02

sort of criminal NFL player or somebody

16:06

got caught doing something, they shouldn't be doing it. That's why

16:08

we had you on there. You usually steered us toward that

16:10

way and it worked out. I

16:14

hope everybody comes

16:16

back. I

16:19

see you work your hands to the bone

16:21

with all this content. All

16:24

you want is people to love it. Not

16:27

everybody does. That's the goal at the end of

16:29

the day. It's not to put

16:31

something out that people don't like.

16:34

That's the rub though.

16:36

Some people like something and some people

16:38

don't. It's hard to

16:40

find that perfect

16:44

combination that pleases everybody. It

16:46

doesn't exist. That's why. It did

16:48

though. There was other

16:51

forms of entertainment. I've seen it.

16:53

I think you see monster successes

16:55

out there. That's

16:58

what you're looking for. You're looking for monster success. I've

17:02

just never seen you guys cater to

17:04

the monster success. What do you mean?

17:07

You guys are more about, I do whatever I

17:09

want and if it's good and we

17:12

love it, then it's great. I

17:14

think we talked through the big

17:16

game and that was all bullshit. That's

17:18

all we want. At the end of

17:20

the day, it's just you get eaten.

17:22

I can't believe everyone didn't like third

17:24

eye radio. Fuck

17:26

those guys. It's tough. You

17:29

know. You put your content. People don't like

17:31

you. No, but your content

17:33

creator, does every video you put out opening up

17:35

a box of stuff? No, not at all. Not

17:37

at all. No.

17:41

No, that's in 2009 when we started this. Even

17:43

when I didn't even want to be on here,

17:45

I was forced to be on here. Nobody forced

17:47

me. Nobody forced me. Nobody forced

17:49

me. I was blindsided a couple times.

17:51

Sure. That made it more fun. I

17:53

was thinking about that the other day,

17:56

the emergency pod with Susan and all

17:58

that. I was like, God, I miss those days. When

18:00

Ming was right around the... We

18:04

had easy access at

18:06

all times. Yeah. This is a

18:08

rarity to have Ming at the table. Yeah. It's a blessing. Absolutely.

18:11

A fucking Maverick. The second time we've had him

18:13

since he was named, right? Yeah,

18:15

I guess so. Do you go to the cons

18:17

with the Maverick trophy? No, don't

18:19

bring the Maverick trophy. You don't bring it? It's too fragile. Oh,

18:22

you got to get a replica that you could bring. Hey, can

18:24

you talk to the guy who made

18:26

the skulls for you and see if we can get that mini

18:28

Maverick trophy? What you got to do is get a 3D printer.

18:30

Yeah, I guess so. If anyone can help

18:32

me out... We have plenty of letters

18:34

who can help you out. Though they hit you up

18:37

at Twitter? Yeah, me and Chen37. Yeah,

18:40

we'll get it. Maybe not 20,000. No,

18:43

you only want one, right? Well, no, no. I

18:45

can make like 500 or something. What

18:48

are you going to do with them? I'll sell my cons. You

18:51

two can be a Maverick. Make Chen... Mini

18:53

replica version. I'd love

18:55

to take a pass, man. That's a great idea. Yeah,

18:59

people will definitely buy it. Yeah, I was already out

19:01

there making like 25,000. That's

19:03

the key. You don't

19:05

make too many. Like Funko will

19:07

make 500. Don't overestimate the demand. Right,

19:09

yeah. But yeah, you could sign it.

19:12

Yeah. Bottom of it. I could present it to people.

19:15

That's a great idea. Maverick Jr. is all

19:17

out there, yeah. Maverick

19:19

Jr. Yeah, you

19:21

get them a little certificate, Maverick in training.

19:23

Right. Yeah, endorsed by Ming Chen. I

19:26

put it out there on social media that

19:28

we had a Maverick and a guru

19:30

podcast and guru coming on the show. And

19:33

I asked for questions about. People ask questions?

19:35

Not to you, just about podcasts. Oh, OK. On

19:38

the art and business side of podcasts. OK,

19:40

sure, sure. And I have some questions. I don't know

19:42

unless you have. OK. No,

19:45

I don't have anything to get into. Except I guess, well,

19:47

I guess by the time this comes out, we'll know about

19:49

the overkill. Who

19:52

Won the poll? Who won, yeah. So Far

19:54

it's not looking too good for Will Rogers.

19:57

No? No. Looks Like a landslide from what

19:59

I've heard. From where I see oh yeah

20:01

a lot of people who seem like it were reading

20:03

the comments assume lot of people they like his voice

20:05

and they enjoyed some of the stuff he brought. The

20:07

tom seem to get it more than and Will did.

20:10

I. And are people who are like one

20:12

or two at one of the split? It

20:14

let them both share duties, hang out on

20:16

a horse the edge of the poll. That

20:19

yellow. time to sit there looking pretty funny

20:21

from side and in any other some stand

20:23

or yeah, no more are not. and possibly

20:26

probably just. I

20:28

heard the word arrogant Duisburg Nord on

20:30

or ah ah but I will when

20:33

I talk about my boat out with

20:35

a or not whether the allows. Users

20:39

Ah, I'm. So.

20:41

Let's see I'm yeah. what do you guys

20:43

here So I said these are some as

20:45

a question for came in and I didn't

20:47

know is for you Okay because I didn't

20:49

want them to like treated like as a

20:51

joke right? I said that we have someone

20:54

or some other for square such as and

20:56

as my city Striker. Style

20:59

your trees years and guess what? I think

21:01

people are looking for real answers as is

21:03

not something that like you're trying to

21:05

like Nagano. Make. People laugh

21:07

August. First question to the

21:09

Mavericks. What's. Gonna make a

21:11

new podcast stand out in the

21:14

sea of new podcast and popular

21:16

establish once. Wow. Wow

21:18

this is too hard versus a stuffy. V

21:20

actually goes to schools and stuff and you

21:22

he lecture on punk and I do yoga

21:25

is only. Also somebody posted a message on

21:27

your which with whoa Wow this is. Not

21:30

a sweat and have another. The

21:33

other others are a lot about

21:35

that. other. Yeah

21:38

I as it's you know what that

21:40

supporters are? You know? If. to

21:42

never once give popular right away right overnight

21:44

success or an eye on so on and

21:47

yeah the only way you do that you

21:49

were already fucking famous already so we are

21:51

that the big ones are they get famous

21:53

real quick like kevin and akin to rogan

21:55

or any of this lady's office ladies anyone

21:57

who lose any any actor starts when usually

21:59

takes Pretty pretty big so unless

22:01

you're Amanda bones. I

22:04

mean if she kept at it. I don't know if

22:06

she kept at it Yeah,

22:08

poor Amanda bones poor man. You're telling

22:10

me Yeah, so yeah,

22:12

you gotta keep going man. It could take

22:14

years could take years Okay, but that's not

22:17

an answer. That's not even the question Yeah,

22:19

they're what are you going to make a

22:21

new podcast stand out in the sea of

22:23

new podcasts and popular establishments? You're just you're

22:25

all you've said is it gonna take time

22:27

is good But that's what

22:29

what is it what's the secret sauce come

22:32

on Yeah,

22:39

it turned out I think it was their their smoke their

22:42

fog effects and shit like that Oh really think that's what

22:44

did it was so much like you could like you know

22:46

You can sort of like taste it in the air sometimes.

22:48

Yeah too much. Yeah, that's what it was Yeah,

22:51

I mean other than other than other something

22:53

that you could point maybe I mean you

22:55

gotta do something What vastly different from everybody

22:57

else? But I I can't

22:59

really pinpoint one podcast that started in like

23:01

the first three five episodes like

23:03

they got big That came out

23:06

of nowhere. Well, I think you're right I think people

23:08

want it to be big right away and they want

23:10

and they want to make merchandise right away Yeah, people

23:12

are like real into like making their merch, right? Yeah,

23:15

but that's just you know, they think you make merch and

23:17

makes you look bigger Okay, I mean

23:19

you got something like super different from them from everybody

23:21

going to I'm gonna ask it one more time What's

23:24

gonna make a new podcast stand out in the

23:26

sea of new podcasts and popular stuff I think

23:28

like if you launch a podcast, you know I

23:31

know we shot JFK and like and it comes

23:33

true like that old that'll make you

23:35

famous right away You got some kind of bombshell.

23:37

Okay, so you need to have something Something

23:40

like that's so yeah, or like they

23:42

get picked up or

23:44

trend yes Well,

23:46

I think you're I think you're answering the question too And

23:48

as much as like if you're not

23:51

already famous or well known, it's

23:53

probably not gonna happen But people people have asked

23:55

me many times. How do I get

23:57

to like? Mr.

23:59

Johnson. Your campaign seems to have the the

24:01

scene of a runaway for a trigger for never. The

24:03

facilities are the Us and another like you know how

24:06

out how do you do it and I and I

24:08

tell him I'm like I don't know, I don't know

24:10

how to. Get. Listeners because we

24:12

were very. Lucky to

24:14

have the Kevin pump right away so it's like it.

24:16

We had that and the initial bump which was a

24:19

lot of people in and we built it from there

24:21

and and you're right, it took years now. So are

24:23

you saying that like it's not going to happen? of.

24:26

The. Makers of I took your class Such and

24:28

such. A

24:30

bill ever going to have it is like every

24:32

round likely it's gonna happen. It's not like is

24:34

going to happen right away. Yes I know everybody

24:36

that I think that's an okay I threw his

24:38

It's like if you're if you're like a guitarist

24:40

and you go to like a guitar Clinton could

24:42

net like how do I you know yeah women

24:44

Ramos, Delhi, Eddie Van Halen right away I want

24:46

to be these people right away is as I

24:49

give you the you would have to practice and

24:51

it's gonna take nurse and you can expect like

24:53

unless you're extremely lucky to jump into some anything

24:55

the Us and be a success. At it immediately.

24:57

Yeah, I'm I'm honest with the people covering

24:59

my get famous for I went no probably

25:01

not. I'm. Pretty honest.

25:06

Are some really good identified and on ads

25:08

with this as I don't have a hot

25:10

tub Men levy recording for about a year

25:12

and like a we need to talk or

25:15

okay me really serious st they eschew that

25:17

does as you we need to talk him

25:19

into Dogma came in we sat down there

25:21

I caped sweet we've been doing this for

25:24

a year I'm to when our famous yeah

25:26

we want our money back. A surprise you

25:28

did. You put in a contract that you

25:30

would process the busiest of America day be

25:33

under fire for a other I got around

25:35

the same. Here and. There

25:38

are a number one hundred universe promised he

25:40

will be famous with within one year for.

25:44

Up. To speed it up. Yourself

25:48

a sponsor didn't die and die. You

25:50

may have like loose stools like. a

25:55

my dog a little and i was outta ya they will

25:57

have you a i have you done a marketing have you

25:59

told Anybody else is like well, we thought you know,

26:01

we thought it would be famous by now We thought you

26:03

were gonna help out with that and then yeah, they thought

26:06

I was gonna help them make him famous Wow How

26:10

could you be that diluted for a year? Yeah. No there was

26:12

no Expect like

26:14

your name to carry more weight

26:16

in terms of like getting subscribers.

26:19

I think that was you imply that I did not Charge

26:25

I can say produce by Ming Chen Do

26:28

you I thought it I thought they thought part of

26:30

the package was I was gonna make them famous within

26:33

a year and I was Like dude, that's not I'm

26:35

like listen, you know My analogy

26:37

was like listen, you know Mariah Carey uses

26:39

a studio to record like art My job

26:41

is to make you sound good, you know

26:44

vocally but my job isn't

26:46

to make you like famous That's on you

26:49

like, you know, Mariah Carey. It's not the

26:51

studio's job to make Mariah Carey famous. It's

26:53

it's her job caveat emptor. Yes Exactly

26:58

So, yeah, they didn't come back so And

27:02

thank God so yeah, I don't want to with that That's

27:06

an unrealistic expectation. How old were they they

27:08

were? Oh, they're old. They're in the 50s Really?

27:10

Yeah. Yeah They have

27:12

stars in their eyes though Ming

27:15

Chen TV

27:17

star podcast are Yeah

27:22

You have given them the wrong idea could you

27:25

have implied and you didn't even realize it no

27:28

No, absolutely not. I did leave

27:31

them We're

27:34

gonna be as famous as as freak maybe nudged them

27:36

a little bit in that direction in the beginning, you

27:38

know Like we'll do social

27:41

media. We'll do this. We'll do that which I

27:43

did. Yeah, yeah You

27:45

did their social media do that Yeah, if they release

27:48

them sort of promote it stuff like that, but I

27:50

did it had if you promote it I

27:52

was like, hey, you know, these guys have a new episode check it out

27:56

Are we famous yet? You

28:03

guys probably want to hire private security because

28:05

I just retweeted that you released an episode.

28:08

Yeah, maybe you should change up your strategy. Do you guys have

28:10

a top five? I thought five.

28:13

No? Well, maybe you should try that. Okay, all

28:16

right. So, listen, yeah, it's not going to happen

28:18

right away. Also, you should preface it by saying

28:20

you shouldn't go into anything with the expectation that

28:22

you're going to be famous. Right. Like,

28:25

Joe Rogan or something? Yeah, that's what everybody thinks they're

28:27

going to be. Yeah, right now. Yeah.

28:31

Okay. Again, this question is

28:33

kind of similar to the first one.

28:35

How do you attract listeners outside of

28:37

any following slash friends slash family you

28:39

already have? Well, I mean,

28:41

you got a couple of strategies. You can guest

28:43

on other podcasts, you know, cross over your audience

28:45

with other podcasts, have that podcast promote yours. Yeah,

28:48

and you got to go on in the

28:50

real world. You go to like, you know, networking

28:53

events or cons. You know, you got

28:55

to tell people who have a podcast, man. A

28:57

lot of people release these things. They don't tell anybody.

28:59

Well, the reason is because nobody wants to hear it.

29:01

It's like, I got a podcast. It's like, yeah, join

29:04

the fucking club. Everybody does. So you got to have

29:06

some kind of hook. But yeah, if you want audience

29:08

outside of whatever you have, you got to go to

29:10

that. You got to go to those people, man. So

29:12

you got to promote outside of that through

29:16

social media. I go to like, network

29:18

events. I hand out cards and shit. Yeah. Okay.

29:22

All right. That's better answer. Or the

29:24

cons. Yeah. Yeah.

29:27

I go to a lot of cons. So I

29:29

promoted the cons and shit. We do panels. So

29:31

I'll promote out the panels. But

29:33

these are avenues that are not really available

29:36

to your average. Yeah. They

29:38

can't be like, Oh, I'm going to go moderate a panel at a comic-con. Yeah.

29:41

Like they don't have the juice you got. What

29:44

little juice I have. I've staggered these.

29:47

So the questions get a little bit more meatier.

29:49

Okay. All right. Give

29:51

me the meaty ones. Well, we're getting there. Not yet.

29:54

Okay. So we're going in the

29:56

next one to three years. Wow. Well,

29:59

you know, it's. You know, he doesn't know what

30:01

he's talking about. You're just here, wow. He was

30:03

wowin' like that. He was rammin' immediately. He's on

30:05

his heels immediately as soon as you hear, now

30:07

it goes crazy. You see the eyes start to

30:09

start looking in every direction. And he looked up.

30:12

He looked up. He tilt his head up and

30:14

he goes, oh wow. I don't know.

30:16

If I really knew, I'd probably be working on it

30:18

right now. You

30:21

assholes. But... Well,

30:25

if you look at the trend, and you

30:27

guys have done it too. You swore for years you

30:29

were gonna do video, right? It's going through video, man.

30:32

Everything is... You think it's not there already?

30:34

You think in one to three years it's... No, it's your

30:37

answer? It's gonna be more video. It's gonna be more video.

30:39

Yeah, it's gonna be more video. I think it's already, yeah.

30:41

I think video is already at the... They're

30:44

looking for more, I think, a more like Nostradamus-like

30:47

answer here. Oh,

30:49

you want me to predict the few, like more than

30:51

video? Where do you see it going more than just

30:53

like video? Well, I think that,

30:55

yeah, because they're talking about like podcasting sort of

30:57

took over radio, right? You

30:59

know, and the streaming and channel took over

31:01

radio, so now nobody cares about radio anymore.

31:04

So, what's the next big thing is what we're

31:07

wondering. Yeah, that's what we're looking for. Like you

31:09

could just... We know video already. Just

31:11

throw it after what you really think could be the next

31:13

big thing, you know? And then if it hits, you could

31:15

be like... Well, I called it. You called it. I

31:18

called it. Well, it's video, then it's live streaming. Now

31:20

it's not even the whole podcast. We were just taking one minute

31:23

clip, and that's your podcast.

31:25

I actually do that a lot on

31:27

YouTube. There's several podcasts that I like,

31:29

but it's like sometimes it's... Or

31:31

don't like. Yeah. And sometimes

31:33

it's difficult to slog through. You watch the shorts, right? You

31:35

just watch the highlights. Yeah, you watch the shorts. Mm-hmm. And

31:38

sometimes, you know, like anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes. Yeah.

31:41

You know, it's not too much. Yeah, it's actually...

31:43

Yeah, these three hour podcasts are being shortened down to

31:45

15 seconds now. So yeah, that's... It's

31:48

just best of now, best of clips. Yeah,

31:51

do you have any recommendations as to length

31:53

of a podcast? I mean... Do

31:56

you tell people that like... I think about under an hour. Under an

31:58

hour. After that, it's way... too

32:01

much. If you see like it's going

32:03

two hours like I'm not gonna listen to it. Our audience used to

32:05

love to have long episodes. You

32:10

guys are different. You guys are so funny to that.

32:12

Like I never want you guys to end. Thank

32:15

you, Ming. Alright, I got some more here for you.

32:19

Some more blindsiding questions. Would

32:21

you recommend holding a mock trial

32:23

to determine whether or not a

32:25

divisive member should be kept off

32:27

microphone? And is this commonly used

32:30

by other podcasts? Wow. I

32:34

think the only trial I've heard is I think Stern

32:36

did a trial, right? He's done a couple trials back

32:38

in the day. Maybe I don't really recall. Yeah, but

32:40

other than you guys not heard

32:42

any trials. I like your trials though. The

32:45

trial by FirePants. Yeah. Always a

32:47

huge hit. I'm telling Steve Dave.

32:50

Okay, so would

32:52

you recommend that though? For other

32:54

podcasts? Oh, other podcasts? Yeah, I

32:57

don't know. How much do

32:59

you listen to the people versus your own

33:01

gut instinct? I mean, you guys never listen

33:03

to the people and it's worked out pretty

33:05

well for you. Again, I

33:07

think again, we talk a big game. We say they

33:09

got these big nuts, but at the end of the

33:11

day, you don't want to alienate a large segment of

33:13

the audience if

33:17

they're not liking or not digging something. Right. But

33:20

these are high wire acting. You

33:23

love the high wire. He hates the high wire more

33:25

than anybody I know. What do I talk about? All

33:29

right. Are you like watching the other guy?

33:31

Your eyes are rolling. You're looking all over

33:33

the room. Wow. You're like, look at the

33:35

high wire watching the guy fall off the

33:37

high wire. All right. What about this

33:40

one? Okay. No, I don't recommend any

33:42

other podcasts. Attempt this highly volatile trial

33:46

and steal it from Tom Steve Dave. Now, they're not going

33:48

to work. What are your thoughts

33:50

on merchandising? What, in your opinion, is crossing

33:52

the line of selling out

33:54

when it comes to merch? Wow.

33:57

Okay. Oh,

34:00

question. I've

34:05

seen you guys put out stuff that people

34:08

need right away. They buy all of it. The

34:11

hats, your hats have been great. A lot

34:13

of the shirts. The skulls, not so

34:15

much. Not so much, but they're gone now. They

34:17

are gone now. Yeah, I've seen your

34:20

$10 bargain bin during Black Friday. So

34:22

I see what doesn't move. Mugs,

34:25

A-tracks. What's it? Clocks,

34:28

Frank Five Clocks. I don't know. That's

34:31

new. They're not going to be any extras of

34:33

those. They're all okay. Yeah. I

34:35

like the way you do it. They're pre-bought already

34:37

on Patreon. They're pre-souled. That's

34:40

smart. Yeah, that is definitely something that

34:42

is beneficial to the bottom line

34:44

because you're not creating something like...

34:46

Well, look, we learned hard lessons.

34:48

We created all those skulls, those

34:50

mini-skulls, and we thought they were going to

34:52

set the world on fire. They were

34:54

different. And a lot of people were like,

34:56

yeah, you know what? I like the podcast, but I don't

34:59

need a fucking little trinket. You can't win them all. Yeah,

35:01

and there are other people who are like, that's so fucking

35:03

cool. I want one, and they love

35:05

it, and they still love it. But

35:08

what is your opinion? When does

35:10

someone cross the line of selling out? You

35:13

can see some of the other shitty podcasts

35:15

put out the same old bullshit, like Tumblers,

35:17

like The Metal, the fucking Metal. Coffee mugs

35:19

are a big one. The coffee mugs are

35:22

the metal, like the Stanley cups or the

35:24

Stanley mugs that everybody has. Oh, they meant

35:26

the real ones. Yeah, nothing. That's

35:28

a good one. You put out one version of

35:30

that? Is your name engraved on that? I'm all

35:32

over it. I'll buy that. Those thermal cups are

35:35

expensive, though, because we looked into it, and it

35:37

was like cost prohibitive. Yeah, they're like 30, 40,

35:39

50 bucks. You need a logo on them.

35:41

But is there a line? Oh, yeah. Does

35:43

Ming Chen have a line that you all cross-rickers are

35:45

merging? Oh, yeah, there's definitely merchants. People put it. I

35:47

was like, this is bullshit. Who needs to... Who

35:51

needs a fucking keychain? A keychain?

35:54

You think keychain is crossing the line? Well,

35:56

that's according to some people. We put out...

35:58

Yeah, we put out... And

36:00

they're still floating around out there.

36:05

Alright, this one's a little

36:07

long. This one came at B. Yeah,

36:09

if I ever see the Tom City polo shirt,

36:11

yeah, then I think it's all over. Well, with

36:13

a little like, instead of the alligator, like a

36:15

little... Four-colored demon. A little four-colored demon or four-colored

36:17

demon. Oh, that would be fucking pretty cool. Eugene

36:19

Iguana. Dude, Eugene Iguana? That's old

36:21

school. Alright, maybe I'd take it back. Yeah, polo shirts.

36:24

It's so annoying, man. You don't want

36:26

to be known as like, you know, the

36:28

podcast version of Kiss, though, where you have

36:30

so much merch. Oh, if only you could

36:32

be the podcast version of Kiss. If we

36:34

made the amount of money that Kiss did,

36:36

I would not care about that. I was

36:38

like, what's your pain in telling Steve Dave

36:40

Coffin to do it? I've

36:42

been doing a podcast with a friend for a while,

36:44

and I feel like we will never get to the

36:46

next level with my current partner. He's

36:48

lacking in charisma and refuses to work at it.

36:51

I'm not sure what to do. Keep quiet

36:53

and keep my friendship and do

36:55

a pod that has plateaued or let

36:58

my friend go ruin our friendship and

37:00

bring in a co-host who can possibly

37:02

help achieve a higher profile for the

37:04

podcast. Sun Mingchen. We

37:06

think we know you made the right decision. This is a

37:08

tough one. My

37:11

partner is completely devoid of charisma. This

37:16

is a tough one. Sometimes

37:20

that happens. I think it's common. Sure.

37:22

I think it's common. I think it's common.

37:24

I, of course, would never reveal

37:27

names, but I think there's a lot of

37:29

people who are like, Scott, he's

37:31

an anchor. He's Wayne's down. He won't, you

37:33

know, he thinks he's funny. He's

37:35

brutal. It happens all the time. Now,

37:37

most of those pods fade out after 10 episodes, not

37:40

like 300. But

37:46

it happens to every podcast, man. You

37:49

see so many podcasts fizzle because the

37:52

co-hosts don't line up or one is not

37:54

as dedicated as the

37:56

other one. It

37:58

stinks. What do you

38:00

recommend? Is that, that's a Sophie's choice. You know,

38:02

do you want to keep your friendship or do

38:05

you want to take a chance on ruining a

38:07

friendship and then you get a new co-host

38:09

and does it even work then? What if it doesn't work?

38:11

You keep going then and keep trying or. Then

38:15

you, but you also lost a friend though. That's the

38:17

tough part. That's the tough part. But if it's not

38:20

fun anymore, if it's

38:22

torture, these are your

38:24

words. Right. This

38:27

guy did not say that. Just general. This

38:29

is a therapy session. That's

38:31

why everyone's particularly on this thing. You

38:33

know, if it's torture and you wake

38:35

up and you dread recording and you

38:37

know, then, then yeah, it's probably time

38:39

to stop then. So, and some feelings

38:41

might get hurt, but ultimately I think

38:43

it's good for the both of you.

38:45

So. Right. But what happens

38:48

though, if he makes that decision

38:50

to like tell his friend, hey, look, you know,

38:52

I'm going to move it on with a different

38:54

partner. Yeah. And that

38:57

person then is like, you're dead to me. And

38:59

then you get that new partner and doesn't do

39:01

anything anyway. And you're still, you know, and still

39:03

getting the same numbers. And then you fucked over

39:05

a friendship over it. That's that was fucking crazy

39:07

that this person was thinking that. And he gave

39:09

the friend the upper hand to, to be like,

39:11

ha ha, now look at you. Yeah. Yeah.

39:14

But you wouldn't have known unless you tried. So

39:16

at least. What's

39:18

your recommendation? My recommendation is,

39:21

you know, maybe record a

39:23

couple more episodes. If you still feel the same way,

39:25

if it's, if you're not having fun doing it and

39:27

you're dreading recording, then yeah, it's time

39:29

to go. But I think

39:31

it feels like in my, my gut

39:33

is more lightly in the cave. Listen,

39:35

I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not into

39:37

this anymore. It's not you to me.

39:41

And, uh, like any other relationship or another

39:43

direction. Yeah. It happens all the time. But

39:46

what if, you know,

39:48

it still gets the same numbers and then like

39:50

you gave him, yeah, I lost the

39:52

friend numbers. But you're having fun doing it. Then,

39:54

then it was worth it. It feels like this

39:56

guy really just wants to get to a different

39:59

level then. He's at and it's

40:01

right. You can also go on

40:03

it's about a team to me It feels

40:05

like he wants to achieve a certain number

40:08

Helps Steve Dave like audiences and he

40:10

didn't say that Well

40:13

again, it was not happening with that that Co-host and

40:15

yes, you got to move on and if it doesn't

40:17

happen with with the next one keep

40:19

moving on until it works Wow, that's

40:21

cold. Yeah, that's cold Sure,

40:24

but you know are you casting really that cutthroat

40:27

can be yeah But it's like if you're moving

40:29

on to a second third person like partner, maybe

40:31

it's you We're

40:34

going to like fucking trials Protesting

40:45

We're at that level everybody. Yeah,

40:48

I'm sorry to say it but uh Wow,

40:51

I'm surprised that like you would

40:54

give that You know that

40:57

that is cold that is just like I

40:59

mean, yeah believing a boy. I did just

41:01

listen You know, I'll be killed live down

41:03

and listen. I'm not mentality. No, we I'm

41:05

sorry. I had to end this way You

41:09

know, we had a great run But I

41:11

you know, I'm gonna move on it's

41:13

abs every podcast bands Whatever,

41:16

you know, I got a cup two more be coho's

41:19

Yeah, like Metallica like I've been telekin not moved on

41:21

without Dave mustang. They're like look we can't do that

41:23

anymore Yeah, and now look they

41:25

must ain't moved on to mega death now like I

41:27

moved on to metallica worked out for everybody Yeah, worked

41:29

out for order pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, but there's a

41:32

plot plenty of other Try

41:34

enough situation for that doesn't In

41:37

fact, it probably usually doesn't happen Yeah Would

41:39

you rather play it safe for a larger

41:41

audience or be true to you the

41:44

style of show you want maybe? Resulting

41:46

in less listeners, but ones who are

41:48

there really enjoy the ride Yeah,

41:50

you got to do the latter the whole the whole point is starting

41:52

a podcast so you can see where the hell you want so

41:56

Yeah, I'm not I'm not here to win. I thought friends

42:00

I'm here to say whatever the hell I want to

42:02

say. I tell everybody

42:04

that there's no rules in this so

42:07

you're not. But you're full

42:09

of shit. You know you can't say

42:14

whatever you want right now. You know

42:16

you can't. On my own

42:18

show I can, yes. You can say whatever you

42:20

you know you can't say whatever you want on

42:22

any mic. You can say whatever you want but

42:24

then you're gonna deal with the repercussion. Sure. It's

42:27

not 2012 anymore. Holy shit is

42:29

it not 2012. I don't want

42:31

nj.com coming out. One little thing.

42:34

One little thing. And

42:36

I don't want bleeding cool coming after me. They're

42:39

saying I fucked up a panel. So

42:43

I could if I wanted to. That's the point.

42:45

But you choose not to though. Well I yeah.

42:47

Because you want a larger audience. The

42:51

Vincen I know I think you know people

42:53

would be shocked to hear off mic the

42:55

way you fucking drag

42:57

people. How carefully I am. You

42:59

know you keep that you keep

43:02

that Vincen persona on

43:04

the mic when you're out in public. And

43:06

I try to be diplomatic. I

43:08

know where I bread is buttered. But yeah

43:11

if you have something you want to say

43:13

or you need something to get real against somebody then do

43:15

it. Then do it. This is you

43:17

know it's your it's your show. You say whatever

43:19

you want to say. And

43:22

damned the consequences? Well I mean no you're gonna

43:24

if you put your foot in your mouth you

43:26

gotta get your own foot out man. So yeah

43:28

but you also got to mention that too. Like

43:30

you just can't tell the guy do do say whatever

43:32

you want and then you'll lose his job his real

43:35

job. Right. Ming you told me to

43:37

say whatever I wanted. Yeah. I just lost my job.

43:39

I was a teacher for 10 years. I'm not famous.

43:41

And I'm not a top nut. I'm not even famous.

43:43

Fuck you it's all your fault. Yeah

43:45

sorry. You didn't tell me that if I said

43:47

whatever I wanted. I didn't tell you. That you

43:50

know that I can lose my job. Yeah. Well

43:52

you give somebody that advice. Like you know what

43:54

don't even if you think you're gonna go on

43:56

there and be like a hardcore like you know

43:58

conservative or hardcore lib whichever. And

44:00

you have a regular job? Yeah. You

44:03

probably shouldn't start a podcast. Yeah.

44:05

But, I mean, you could. You just lose

44:07

your job. But you could say

44:09

it. You could say it.

44:11

You could say it. That's

44:14

not for me to say. Not

44:16

for me to say. Maverick,

44:18

people. I say if you wake up. The Maverick

44:20

himself giving you land, giving you fucking... I say

44:22

if you wake up... Pod, lessons that you can't

44:25

hear anywhere else. Yeah,

44:27

exactly. If you wake up, you don't reel into a

44:29

fucking Sonic because they put onion on your burger, then

44:31

you do it, man. You do

44:33

it. That's what I say. Alright, last

44:35

one. Okay. It's definitely... I'm

44:38

going to give you one easy softball. Okay. How do

44:40

you decide what tags to use to drive engagement?

44:43

Hags? Hashtags. Yes, I know.

44:46

Alright. I know. This

44:48

is what we're talking about. They

44:50

are. They are. I don't know

44:52

how they affect whether or not people find it or not. When

44:54

I gave you weighty ones, you fucking went, and you're like, you're

44:56

ready to run out the door. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I

44:58

asked you halfway off the chair. Yeah.

45:03

There are apps where you can find out where the

45:06

popular hashtags are and just throw them on there and

45:08

see if it works. There's apps for that? Yeah. Yeah,

45:11

you see what's trending and shit. Like, and a date? Yeah,

45:14

like right to the moment. Yeah, I'll tell you what.

45:16

And do you find that disingenuous though, or almost like...

45:19

It can be, which is why I only use them.

45:21

Like, bait and switch? Yeah, which is... Yeah, I don't...

45:24

You know what hashtag a lot of your releases? Nah.

45:27

Do you feel it could be hurting you? It could

45:29

be, yeah. But I don't... Yeah, I don't care. What

45:32

would you hashtag this episode? This, you

45:34

know, train wreck, fucking maverick. Why

45:39

is it a train wreck? Why is it

45:41

a train wreck going up here? I think

45:43

that's what people love though, right? Hashtag

45:49

maverick. Yeah, hashtag maverick. That one always

45:51

works. Train

45:53

wreck. Hashtag broken friendship. Hashtag

45:56

half-famous. Hashtag bring back

45:58

comic book men. Yeah,

46:00

was there ever a time when you thought about like, maybe I

46:02

need to drop the zero and get with a hero? Like

46:05

when you were podcasting? Or did

46:07

you just accept like, no, we're a team?

46:09

Yeah, no, I'm pretty- This is my lot.

46:11

Yeah. I

46:14

can see 3PO and shit when he's like

46:17

trapped in the desert. No, I'm pretty

46:19

loyal guys. So,

46:22

never any thought. You know, some

46:24

things happen. Sometimes things happen. Life

46:27

is full of strange and wondrous

46:30

turns. Yes, it is. I'm

46:33

here for all of it. But you gotta stay on the road. No,

46:36

the people that expected to get famous by podcasting, it's

46:39

like it's no different than like I said, if you're

46:41

a rock star or you're a writer, you're an author

46:43

and you're like, why am I not famous? I wrote

46:45

a book. Why am I not famous? Yeah, yeah,

46:47

yeah. All right, I put it on a

46:50

comic book. I'm not Jim Lee and Chris Claremont in X-Men

46:52

yet. It's like, oh, because it sucks. That's

46:55

why. I hope that's

46:57

not the way you're talking to your students.

47:00

No, not at all. You're giving your seminar. No,

47:04

not at all. But, yeah, I

47:06

try to put some realistic. You're

47:08

a little bit more easy and a little

47:10

bit, you know, a little bit rough around

47:12

the edges. Try a little

47:14

bit more realistic. But, yeah, I'll break into them

47:17

gently. Okay. Yeah. Can't

47:19

always tell Steve Dave. The Maverick people.

47:21

The Maverick. Drop in knowledge. Yeah. Yeah,

47:24

even as he does. Even took you

47:26

guys years. Years. Took years. Years.

47:30

And people, remember in the early on, people got

47:32

angry at us because we didn't make shirts, we

47:34

didn't make merchandise. We were just focused on the

47:36

podcast. And people got

47:38

annoyed, started making their own stuff. Yeah. Until

47:41

we eventually got caught up in. Crack

47:44

down on that shit, man. Who liked

47:46

t-shirts? Leave

47:49

those to me, man. You leave me to like

47:51

shit. All

47:54

right. Let's

47:56

see. I'll

47:59

let you. as a professional podcast

48:01

expert. I'll let you judge my spot reading.

48:04

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52:44

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52:47

discovered that your wife had taken out a

52:49

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52:51

letting you know, or even half

52:53

a million, whatever, without letting

52:55

you know, what's the reaction? I mean

52:58

it's a little suspect. Yeah. That, yeah.

53:02

I was like, wait, why wouldn't you tell you?

53:05

Why wouldn't you tell you? And I mean that

53:07

can only lead to one thing, right? Murder.

53:10

Yeah. Or attempted murder anyway. Yeah.

53:12

Start checking for arsenic cyanide. That

53:14

was the- Leech in your coffee.

53:16

Yeah. This was a lady who

53:18

was, it

53:20

was arsenic as a matter of fact. And

53:22

she was, and this is a thing, it's like

53:25

she was a preacher's wife who

53:27

was doing it. I guess it

53:30

was her second marriage or something, his first marriage,

53:32

but he was a preacher and this lady was

53:34

poisoning him with arsenic over the course of a

53:36

year. They were able to tell later on because

53:38

of the hair follicles. And he went to the

53:40

hospital and

53:44

he was getting worse and they couldn't figure out why. And

53:46

they're like, well, what is it that

53:48

he's ingesting? Like, cause they looked at, you know, again, they look

53:50

at the hair and they see that it's still happening when he's

53:52

in the hospital. And it's,

53:54

his wife had been bringing in home, home

53:57

cooked meals and shit like that. And- And

54:00

then once she stopped, you've got to

54:02

get a little better and a little better. And

54:04

that's how they figured out that she had taken out the

54:06

insurance policy and all the other shit. Wow. It's

54:09

amazing, the criminals who are

54:11

like, you're

54:14

not going to be smarter than everybody else. Right.

54:17

Because it's not just you versus one guy or one cop or one

54:19

detective. Yeah. It's you versus like the

54:21

forensic people, the homicide detectives, the fucking, the looky

54:23

loose veterans, just like the church people who are

54:25

like, you know, talk to the cops and like,

54:28

I don't know. She acts a little weird, man.

54:30

You might want to talk to her. Yeah. Now

54:33

they're like, there are podcasts out there investigating shit

54:35

like this. Oh yeah. Yeah. True

54:37

crime podcasts, Gordon. Was it the arsenic? Yeah. You're

54:40

screwed. Yeah. You're done. But

54:43

I did, I wondered myself like, what would I do? This is what

54:45

I wrote down because it was- Are you suspecting? No.

54:48

No, just because I was watching that show, I'd

54:50

hit that pussy one last time and take a

54:52

bow and say, sorry, bitch, I'm outie. I mean-

54:56

Well, if you found out she took out a life insurance

54:58

policy. A million dollars? Because

55:01

I would be, yeah, there's so

55:03

much that my life does, you

55:05

know, financials and takes care of

55:07

things that I would not,

55:10

like it wouldn't even bat an eyelash. I would

55:12

just be like, oh, okay. She's

55:14

done all the details of our life anyway. Yeah,

55:19

same with Mary Beth, but that would be suspect.

55:21

Like she's younger, I'm older. She

55:24

doesn't need to fucking give it

55:26

to- she's just patient. She's going to get

55:28

it all, not that long anyway. Look

55:31

how old we are compared to her. Is she

55:33

that impatient? She might be. I don't know.

55:36

I mean, I think it's good, the longer you

55:38

stay alive, right? You get all that Patreon

55:41

money, you're up to 10,000 subscribers and growing.

55:43

Yeah, she's- Yeah, you don't want to kill

55:45

the golden goose man. Well, you got the

55:47

insurance policy. It's way more lucrative than- Yeah,

55:49

with that end. Yeah, than waiting for Patreon.

55:51

Yeah, I guess so. I guess that's ongoing

55:53

though, man, and growing. That

55:56

is good though. like you say, she's going to get it all anyway. Like

55:58

all the shit that I don't want to deal with. Will eventually

56:00

be earners to deal with. Like all my stuff

56:02

and all the crap that looked like a lawyer

56:04

to look around the house and a i've never

56:07

seen anyone. Order. As much as

56:09

she orders like. Stupid. Stuff

56:11

from like Doozies? those are some. Because

56:14

it's an Asian website called a team of us

56:16

he just doesn't seem. oh yes he has some

56:18

voters yeah that cheap crawl I don't seem even

56:20

I will buy it I seem chinese shit it's

56:22

it's like all cheap chinese stuff and and stuff

56:25

that I'm like do we really fucking the this

56:27

and that is it was only a couple dollars

56:29

and it's like this you know how are you

56:31

use washer and like you know if you close

56:34

the door after you wash your clothes. sometimes it

56:36

starts to get a little bit like musty and

56:38

still see want to like make sure it's dry

56:40

mouth keep an open so it's dislike magnetic thing

56:42

that sticks on the washer. And has a little

56:45

hook that holds the door open right. And.

56:47

I'm like artist. Open the door on

56:49

the right, stays open by itself. Yeah,

56:51

but it's it's not good enough cactus.

56:53

You know? you get every crusher to

56:55

the way like Hello Kitty rice cookers

56:57

and should. Have

56:59

either so they must have those are that's

57:02

I see right away if is like rice

57:04

steamer like a little mini irons or whatever

57:06

that is a chopstick holders. Mom and gas

57:08

sector I to move yes is that every

57:11

like the when she has a deal at

57:13

your stuff. Know. My guess

57:15

is that the system like calling like

57:17

know. Just like

57:19

just fallen out of all. call it out

57:21

in L a garbage I got stuff, it's

57:24

worth money and.everything I own this shit well

57:26

I mean you have to I guess a

57:28

beat it into her brain at it's not

57:30

a garbage than because you know most people

57:32

are not going to like look up every

57:34

thought the blue I saw you blu ray

57:37

clicks breath as well as as as a

57:39

lot of friends. But

57:42

a lot of a action figures and stuff like

57:45

that like I have those a are like as

57:47

the San Diego Comic Con exclusive a panel. Of

57:49

where he's and night and it's a it's

57:51

worth like five hundred miles. Gonna have to

57:53

vegan. I'm gonna have to do the homework,

57:55

tend to look at all and be like

57:57

an Mc for analyses. Looks up one. Exclusive

58:00

like you know, not a panel of or he's

58:02

but maybe something in his like. Twenty.

58:04

Five bucks worth it to in the

58:06

next one she looks up. Fifty bucks

58:08

a pop this as soon as you're

58:11

right about like that. It's not. I

58:13

have a couple books unawares alone of

58:15

money and then others amounted to psych.

58:17

You're just general average shit. The you

58:19

know, a private paddling a funk or

58:21

pop up here. suffice it. But it

58:23

it's all and and years. and then

58:25

somebody in his his have O'neill whole

58:27

bunch of Brian Johnson march on their

58:29

flea market table I called in English

58:31

down a hole in ghosts of all

58:33

these little blips east companies. That do odd.

58:35

Was. A call. Clean Out Narrow. yeah that's

58:38

what have That's where I sit. A structure

58:40

that do that would be. To

58:42

talk about karma. Remember when covenant really young

58:45

we really cool and like nineteen twenty we

58:47

worked for these guys that his mom new

58:49

and we went around to different states like

58:51

new have estate sales and they would sell

58:53

all the shit in the stuff the people

58:56

didn't want. Was. Left behind and we

58:58

would go in there and take the stuff

59:00

and thrown into a dumpster like to clean

59:02

up elsewhere so they could sell the house.

59:04

and I mean I remember thrown away stuff

59:06

than on like this meant something to people

59:08

like the families as when lead him I'll

59:10

never forget. her name was Marge and she

59:12

heard later like photo albums and it was

59:14

like New Year's Eve nineteen Sixty nine agree

59:16

time was had by all was written on

59:18

the back end or she had like a

59:20

whole bunch of sit ups, a little fragile

59:22

teacups that I guess he got from different

59:24

states. You want to ruin over Isis has.

59:26

get him into. The sunken dumpster here

59:28

like listen to him shattered

59:30

is almost everybody. Everybody.

59:33

Stuff is a portion of it is going

59:35

to be treated like that's. All.

59:37

the things that you cherish are gonna be

59:40

see it like city little teacups right death

59:42

by somebody they will you this garbage in

59:44

the sly mass over idiots i've told everybody

59:46

in the house as like these are not

59:48

garbage very like these is he still for

59:50

money or these are under out of france

59:52

do not just assume that you're not going

59:54

to get something don't like of the first

59:56

book he looked up may not go for

59:58

money but i'm telling you There's other ones

1:00:00

that will, you know, you've got to, if

1:00:03

you maximize what's in on

1:00:05

these shelves or else you're just

1:00:07

throwing money away. Right. Yeah. Don't

1:00:09

treat it like teacups. Yeah. Those

1:00:12

teacups. I remember we, there

1:00:14

was a, we took a sewing machine. We tried to

1:00:16

sell this sewing machine to like dive different antique shops.

1:00:18

People like it's not an antique. It's just,

1:00:20

it's garbage. So we just left it on

1:00:22

the side of the road. But yeah, it was like the,

1:00:24

we would try to like scavenge for stuff that was actually

1:00:26

worth money, you know, a whole big TV guide collection, like

1:00:29

in retrospect, which we kept that TV guide. You

1:00:32

could have used that. Yeah. I don't know.

1:00:34

That might be on the chopping block. Oh

1:00:36

no. Really? All the catalog shows. Wait, no.

1:00:38

Cancel how ironic. Cause

1:00:41

it's like a TV show. I get canceled. Yeah. Wow.

1:00:46

What about it? I'm too far. Okay.

1:00:48

Um, what was I going to say though?

1:00:52

Oh, we mean, get him went to a Goodwill. We're looking

1:00:54

for a suit for him. For

1:00:56

a project for us for a new,

1:00:58

um, Patreon show. And I went

1:01:01

into the Goodwill, went to three Goodwills over

1:01:03

the course of last week, and I

1:01:06

saw so many things in that

1:01:08

Goodwill that I know are just

1:01:10

were that someone cleaned out a house and

1:01:12

somehow it found its way to this Goodwill. But

1:01:15

it's like there's frames with the photos still in

1:01:17

them. Oh, really? Like these

1:01:19

old, old photos of this. Somebody's,

1:01:22

this was on somebody's mantle or

1:01:24

somebody's desk at some point. And

1:01:26

now it's in a Goodwill store

1:01:28

that, and there's really, I

1:01:30

think little to no chance that it'll ever

1:01:32

sell like some of this shit that was

1:01:34

around it. But yeah, it's,

1:01:37

it all goes there though. It all goes

1:01:39

somewhere. And most of it doesn't find

1:01:41

a new home for somebody who

1:01:43

to cherish it after you're gone or we're

1:01:46

gone. It's sad.

1:01:48

The way it is. That's a photo though. If that person's

1:01:50

house was on fire, they put a, they put a, ran

1:01:52

back in and got it. It is sad,

1:01:54

but at the end of the day, it's not

1:01:56

realistic though. That like, you know, that

1:01:58

the shit that you're. like, my

1:02:01

teacups. No one gives

1:02:03

a fuck about your teacups. No. My

1:02:05

blue rays. No one gives a fuck

1:02:07

about your swarmed fucking blue rays. Oh,

1:02:10

come on. All your horror beam, like your B

1:02:12

about Bs. I have like four or

1:02:14

five movies about Bs. Look,

1:02:17

I got a ton. I know, because I know, I

1:02:20

could say that because I have over a hundred DVDs

1:02:22

that no one gives a fuck about. Right.

1:02:24

Including me. Well, at this

1:02:26

point, yeah, like DVDs, like, forget

1:02:28

blue rays, DVDs are like, I tried to play

1:02:30

a DVD on my big TV. It's like, it

1:02:32

doesn't translate anymore. Like the

1:02:35

quality was about as bad as VHS.

1:02:37

Really? Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Why?

1:02:39

I don't know. I thought it would

1:02:41

like upscale it or something. Digital. Well,

1:02:44

it doesn't work like that. It was a

1:02:46

coded in a different format though. It's like

1:02:48

trying to like, you know,

1:02:50

it's like blowing up a phone as a post-its

1:02:52

chat, but up until poster. Oh, because your TV

1:02:54

is too big. The TV is too big. Well,

1:02:56

Brian, big TV Johnson. I told her not to

1:02:58

buy the TV. I'm not Brian, big TV. It's

1:03:00

too big. Fucking bought it anyway. Sounds like, yeah,

1:03:07

you can't get a fucking, uh, you

1:03:09

can't get a control over there at

1:03:11

the Johnson matter. Everybody's buying fucking

1:03:13

shit. They don't know big TVs. Big TVs.

1:03:15

You can't watch your DVDs now.

1:03:17

Although I know I like buying smaller TVs so

1:03:19

I can watch my shit. She's like, you know,

1:03:21

she's like, she's old. It doesn't work. I have

1:03:23

to hand it to her though. She really was

1:03:30

like working on something to try

1:03:33

to kill me for a million bucks. I was like,

1:03:35

wow, I didn't, I did not see that coming. She's

1:03:37

very loving. She's very sweet. So right. Wow. Had you

1:03:40

fooled. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

1:03:42

First it's glass in your ice cream and now

1:03:44

like whatever

1:03:47

you're eating now. Yeah. See

1:03:49

you wouldn't, you, it wouldn't work on you. You would taste

1:03:51

the arsenic in your pizza or chicken fingers right away, man.

1:03:53

You wouldn't even have to taste it. He'd smell it. Yeah.

1:03:55

You would smell it from a mile away. It's like, what

1:03:57

is it? He's like, that's almonds. Is

1:04:01

that why Rysons? Like, yeah. Yeah.

1:04:06

Yeah. So

1:04:08

what's going on with Mingchen? What do you got coming up?

1:04:10

Anything you want to pimp? No, a

1:04:12

bunch of conventions. And

1:04:14

a couple cool places. Boise, Idaho.

1:04:18

Wow, where the fuck goes to Boise? But Mingchen does.

1:04:20

Yeah, me and Sean Esten are going up there from

1:04:22

The Goonies and Lord of the Rings. You'll go places

1:04:24

that a lot of people won't go, right? Because you

1:04:26

need to troll your fans. You

1:04:28

troll your fans. Like third

1:04:30

world countries. You'll go where

1:04:32

a lot of celebs just are like, you know,

1:04:34

it ain't worth it. But you find, you know,

1:04:36

within you. That's cool. Try to explore the world,

1:04:38

man. That's like to

1:04:41

Boise. Oh my God. I

1:04:44

got to go to Seattle first and

1:04:46

then over to Boise. Going back to Anchorage.

1:04:48

I went to Anchorage last year. They

1:04:50

invited me back. That's great.

1:04:54

Is it still nighttime? Like 30 days out of the year?

1:04:56

It's more daytime. There's

1:04:58

light out until about 10 30 11 at night. It's pretty

1:05:00

cool. You would love it. Yeah, you would love it. You

1:05:02

would love it. That would be cool.

1:05:06

But everywhere I go, man. And

1:05:08

I see though, like you're partying

1:05:10

hardy wherever you go. I try

1:05:12

to, yeah. Do you feel

1:05:14

like, you know, you might be partying

1:05:16

like a younger man? I'm starting

1:05:19

to feel it. Yeah, yeah, big

1:05:21

time. Really? I

1:05:24

don't know if I'll be able to do

1:05:26

that. You can, right? It's impossible. It's hard.

1:05:30

You were recently in Texas and you show,

1:05:32

I'm not going to expose the content, but

1:05:34

you showed me a video that

1:05:36

really made me laugh. Yes. And

1:05:40

I'm wondering, I feel it's one of those videos that

1:05:42

with the right, like attention could go viral. Yeah. Why

1:05:44

didn't you post that? Why did

1:05:46

you not post it yet? I don't know. Yeah. I think I

1:05:48

wanted to send it to sexual people first. Yeah. It's

1:05:52

hysterical. What's even funnier

1:05:54

than what you do is what you say. Yeah. If

1:05:57

you're listening to this, it will have been posted. Yeah,

1:06:00

yeah, we posted by now. Okay, where should they

1:06:02

go to go to Twitter? We are at Twitter

1:06:04

Instagram Facebook I will you have to

1:06:06

I get to Hashtag

1:06:10

hashtag funny funny hashtag TESD

1:06:12

pizza. I guess hashtag maverick

1:06:14

hashtag maverick. Yeah hashtag asshole

1:06:21

Yeah, oh that's true yeah, yeah you sent it

1:06:23

to me and it's you and I assume you're

1:06:25

lit I'm pretty lit You're drunk and

1:06:28

it's not a recent video That's why I

1:06:30

brought even brought this up because you look

1:06:32

like you got that thousand-mile stare ago. Oh,

1:06:34

yeah, I'm lit Yeah, you're like you can't

1:06:36

even like you're seeing into other universes. It

1:06:38

looks like In

1:06:41

Texas in 2015 Dude

1:06:45

you haven't really aged that much Definitely.

1:06:47

I definitely I'm a shelter. I'm definitely

1:06:49

thinner and younger. Yeah and

1:06:51

stupider apparently. I mean it

1:06:53

was a total accident It

1:06:56

was yeah It

1:06:58

was what you say Percent

1:07:03

an accident yeah, but yeah

1:07:05

if you if if you watch

1:07:07

a video I'm lit I'm drunk I'm

1:07:10

making a video where I'm holding a slice of pizza and

1:07:14

a friend is asking me to To

1:07:17

disparage the pizza because the Texas pizza not

1:07:19

Jersey pizza And I ended up

1:07:21

throwing it and it ends up hitting a

1:07:23

dude in the side of the face that guys passing

1:07:25

by is Innocent probably having a

1:07:27

bad day. You know look like it's having a bad

1:07:29

day. It looked like every day is a bad day

1:07:31

for Yeah, yeah, I believe he was homeless And

1:07:35

I believe you could have left that out Left

1:07:42

in the face with a piece of pizza And

1:07:45

I think he was lit as well, which is why

1:07:47

you know, he didn't try to retaliate or anything He

1:07:49

just kind of yeah his reaction. I don't know. How

1:07:51

would you have reacted? Walter's like some some

1:07:53

young punk? Is on

1:07:55

the side of that I would have been angry,

1:07:57

but I mean man, it's diffused it immediately, right?

1:07:59

I apologize. Yeah, he defused it.

1:08:03

Yeah, you were like, you apologize immediately. You didn't

1:08:05

mean it. It was definitely one of those like

1:08:07

wrong time, wrong place. Yeah. It

1:08:10

couldn't have been, you know, one in a

1:08:12

million shot. Right. That hit him that

1:08:14

square in the face. Fucking hysterical. Yeah, I felt bad.

1:08:16

I really felt bad. Did you? Yeah.

1:08:19

And then afterwards he was like, hey man, can I get a dollar?

1:08:22

And I gave him five bucks. Okay, you got it. I gave him

1:08:24

five bucks, yeah. I genuinely

1:08:26

felt bad. Lucky that's left

1:08:28

off the video because then it makes it, it wouldn't be

1:08:30

as funny. No, I guess not. But yeah,

1:08:32

the reason I sent it to you now, and

1:08:34

I forgot she had taken the video and I

1:08:37

saw the person who shot it recently. I'm like,

1:08:39

hey, did you, was

1:08:41

that on video? She looked back and

1:08:43

she still had it. So we had a

1:08:45

good laugh. I was like, I know a guy who would enjoy

1:08:48

this. I sent it right over to you. Yeah,

1:08:50

I immediately showed it to Mary Beth. I was like, you gotta watch this. So

1:08:53

it'll be, yeah, go to Twitter and definitely check

1:08:56

it out. And yeah,

1:08:58

hopefully I don't lose my Maverick status after that.

1:09:01

Do you think that could hurt you? I

1:09:03

mean, maybe there are some people... Garnering

1:09:06

more awards in the future? There are some audiences out

1:09:08

there that may have seen it as insensitive. Even

1:09:13

saying homeless instead of unhoused, I'm going to have

1:09:15

to cut that. He's

1:09:18

on record as saying, I say what I want. Yeah, it's

1:09:20

true. He's in Maverick. While he

1:09:22

was unhoused, whatever the difference is.

1:09:24

None. Yeah. None.

1:09:28

For some reason, the word unhoused

1:09:30

makes some people feel better about

1:09:32

other people being homeless. I think homeless

1:09:34

people are probably like, I don't have a home, motherfucker. Call me whatever

1:09:36

you want. Just get me a home. Right.

1:09:39

Yeah, or a dollar. Yeah, or a dollar. Or a

1:09:42

dollar. Just don't throw pizza on me.

1:09:44

Yeah. Yeah, I did feel bad.

1:09:47

And it's no excuse, but I was pretty drunk. Good

1:09:50

as excuses, Andy. Yeah, not an excuse. So

1:09:53

I'm glad you found it funny and not like

1:09:55

what an asshole. I saw

1:09:57

it as complete and utter action. It was, yeah. It

1:10:00

was. Yeah, so go to Ming Chen's

1:10:02

social media and check out that video. It's pretty funny.

1:10:05

Listen to what he says because that really made me laugh. Yeah,

1:10:08

I've turned the sound up, I guess. Yeah. Well,

1:10:10

yeah, I actually hear the pizza

1:10:13

smacking the guy's face, which is

1:10:15

crazy that it caught that, but

1:10:17

not my best moment. I'm

1:10:20

going to have to jump on some of these cons

1:10:22

with Ming. My wife wants a

1:10:24

new bathroom. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Did

1:10:27

you already try to price a new bathroom? Oh, anything. Holy shit.

1:10:30

The home improvement area is going

1:10:32

to be pricey, and there's no

1:10:34

cheap renovations. A

1:10:36

lot of hidden costs. I'm thinking about

1:10:39

having to get an insurance policy on me and fixing

1:10:41

my desk. Well, she's

1:10:43

taking a dump. She's like, yeah, the bathroom that

1:10:45

Brian's desk built me. Yeah,

1:10:51

I think my best bathroom renovation story was

1:10:53

I was at a con once I saw

1:10:55

Jason Muse walking in from the front door of

1:10:57

the hotel. I remember this. It's just bags of Legos,

1:10:59

just bags. It looks like he bought all our toys

1:11:01

for us. He's like, holy crap, man. Where'd you

1:11:03

get all those? I went and I bought everything

1:11:05

I didn't have, and he kept going. So

1:11:08

I texted his wife, and I'm like, hey, we're here

1:11:10

at the con. I just saw Jay. Man,

1:11:12

he had a lot of Legos with him. She's like,

1:11:14

oh, really? Oh, you got him in trouble? I'm like,

1:11:16

yeah, she's okay. Did it go well for old views?

1:11:18

No, three hours later, I saw him. He

1:11:22

runs over to me. He starts yelling at my face. He's like,

1:11:24

dude, what the fuck, man? Why'd you wrap me out like that?

1:11:26

That wasn't cool. I'm

1:11:28

like, what the fuck are you talking about? He's yelling at

1:11:30

me, as if I caught him with another woman I told

1:11:32

his wife. And he said,

1:11:34

my wife said you texted her and said I had

1:11:36

a bunch of Legos. Why'd you go do that? I'm

1:11:38

like, yeah, why did you? I just

1:11:40

thought it was just making a comment. It was

1:11:43

so many that I had to make a comment. I

1:11:45

remember when I was talking to her, she was

1:11:48

like, he has a renovation to pay for. He

1:11:50

can't be buying that shit. Yeah, yeah, so she

1:11:52

yelled at her. She yelled

1:11:54

at him. She was like, Jay, you

1:11:56

can't be buying these Legos at you. We can't

1:11:58

renovate our bathroom with Legos. I was kind of

1:12:00

like actually you could if you wanted what about

1:12:02

the bathroom? Why did you say bath? Oh because

1:12:04

he was best I wanted you she

1:12:07

wanted him to save the money for the bathroom renovation Okay,

1:12:09

I thought he was in the bathroom with the bags. No

1:12:11

no no no it's really You

1:12:13

came out of the stall and he was often he knows

1:12:15

the hotel is walking from there because I got these leg

1:12:19

Speaking of cons in bathroom. Yeah, I mean

1:12:21

have you guys smoothed it over when you

1:12:23

got that joke you made about I

1:12:25

have not You guys don't have it on it.

1:12:27

No. I've not what did he do

1:12:30

he made the and you know the joke That's a

1:12:32

joke about my joke about the bad somebody who oh

1:12:35

Yeah, we're gonna go with it over and I

1:12:37

haven't he still hasn't smoothed it over now What

1:12:40

what's the I don't know right?

1:12:42

It's not pride. I just don't want to deal

1:12:44

with care enough Yeah, I think that's what it is

1:12:47

doesn't care enough. I care You

1:12:51

can send a text I Could

1:12:53

send a text I'd rather just go in

1:12:55

and be like dude listen. I'm sorry. I

1:12:57

I offended you online I took

1:12:59

all the post down so that's step one I

1:13:04

deleted them. Oh, yeah, they were

1:13:06

classic man. Yeah classic Mike shit

1:13:10

Yeah, well listen that's it's gonna be

1:13:13

hard to apologize when they're still up

1:13:15

there Yeah, that's

1:13:17

true No

1:13:21

He will though he will when I when I'm

1:13:23

you know, I think going you eventually go

1:13:25

and apologize. Yes. Yeah What

1:13:28

a touchy motherfucker touchy

1:13:30

guy But he's been

1:13:32

talking about apologizing for a while. I

1:13:35

know I shouldn't wait this long Yeah,

1:13:38

do it right now. I'm like I know

1:13:40

I would you like to make a public apology on tell Steve Dave

1:13:43

I mean I right now. Yes, Mike.

1:13:45

I'm sorry offended you online. I didn't

1:13:47

think you're gonna get this upset and Was

1:13:51

not my intention to upset you this

1:13:53

bad and I hope you accept my

1:13:55

apology. We've uh, we've done a lot of

1:13:57

great things And

1:13:59

I hope we can continue but yeah

1:14:01

I don't know if I know Mike

1:14:04

he is definitely gonna accept that no really oh yeah

1:14:06

he's a listener yeah

1:14:10

somebody's gonna hit from there do you apologize yeah

1:14:12

somebody let them know that man yeah no I

1:14:14

feel if everything's okay now yeah if

1:14:17

he feels bad then yeah I apologize for sure

1:14:20

but I should be a man you know you

1:14:22

see you don't you don't feel like coming at

1:14:24

him from a different angle like dude stopping in

1:14:26

such a fucking pussy everybody knows you didn't shit

1:14:28

on the con floor I

1:14:31

that's a Brian Johnson apology and that

1:14:33

usually doesn't go over there gasoline on

1:14:35

the fire yeah okay although

1:14:38

I remember my analogy is the last time I was

1:14:40

really mad at you like we made up in two

1:14:42

weeks like it was so stupid I mean yeah we

1:14:44

were man yeah yeah I was making sure up to

1:14:47

a con new oh I remember the New Orleans yeah

1:14:49

I remember that I was getting the brunt of that

1:14:51

too yeah he was I don't

1:14:53

even go to any con at two o'clock in the

1:14:55

morning no I just get a text no more fucking

1:14:57

faith almost fucking favor I can't go is

1:15:00

this from is this intended for me fuck yeah it

1:15:02

was intended for you that's what's like what is going

1:15:05

on he's like Brian Johnson didn't show up I'm like

1:15:07

fucking me okay you and Q at the same time

1:15:09

you probably say the same to be

1:15:17

fair the New Orleans was two in the morning you

1:15:19

can imagine what it what at what state I was

1:15:21

in then you

1:15:23

know you could you could I mean I think

1:15:25

I voted apology if you want

1:15:27

to do if you're your honor you're an apology role

1:15:29

right now if you want to issue one for texting

1:15:31

me at two o'clock well yeah I apologize

1:15:34

I won't go but you're probably awake

1:15:36

but yeah involving you in something that

1:15:39

you were not you probably you weren't even

1:15:42

involved in I just were aware if I

1:15:44

was there or not to vent to somebody

1:15:46

who I thought might understand my frustration and

1:15:48

I Think you know you would be frustrated but you

1:15:50

had threatened me though with like no more favor. Yeah

1:15:53

with like that I was going to pay the price

1:15:55

I don't know, You know. There

1:16:00

was a blanket like. As

1:16:02

the time I was i grant or the other

1:16:05

all that shit I don't for for for for

1:16:07

that guy like no more it was more aimed

1:16:09

at him but I didn't mean to. You

1:16:11

know I know imply were mad. I get

1:16:14

that you were that you're going to

1:16:16

suffer as well. Enjoy! Didn't have enough He

1:16:18

said bomb scare I was your scarce our

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society for another not I like somehow

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they were going to be like we were

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like there was going to be on a

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big fall out. We went talk to

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each other for two years. he has no

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two weeks to two weeks that city

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was soon. I made it right. he did

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limited to the would be learned. An important

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lesson though, you have to give a

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druggy wider latitude. Brian regular. Guy? Yes. Like

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if it were today, you know I'd show up.

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I oh yes I did learn that

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horse or. Less

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it's ugly head We are You. My

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very. Reluctant. To

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give seed was sick recently eroded urging

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carrying they gave her this syrup. This

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costs. You know it's a promotional asean

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or something like that. It's the shit

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that the used to make leaner purple

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drank. you know to coding syrup. And

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what it does is a tricks your brain ensued

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not coughing. And those everywhere.

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I don't know if you remember what like remembered

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uncommon for than those one summer where I was

1:17:22

like I could not stop fucking coughing. Neb it

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was like it. there's a tickle my throne. I

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was taken as an awesome now in addition to

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the for the Roxy shrine of of while You're

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on arrive area of what is it to. The.

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be the coding so they don't break so that

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sheriff is no longer used and soda any any

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longer. No, No will drag

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as I go out. It's a concoction

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that a lot alike and rappers, rappers and

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gangsters and Cel event is no Houston or

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think. It's a yeah it's

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was a drunken I answered. This.

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cody oh god which is not legal that a

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prescription in this country illegally Rite-aids right I saw

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sign at Rite-aid the other day when I was

1:18:01

picked up my medication They're like we're not even

1:18:03

gonna carry it anymore Because

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people don't want to deal with opiates. Yeah, they just don't want

1:18:08

to do oh It fucks

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you I'll get you high All

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right, I thought it was just just basically all day was

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make you suck off and you know how I'm cured There's

1:18:17

still a full bottle of it in my house. Wow, I

1:18:19

didn't drink it I

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didn't mix it up with some Sprite Hey

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guys Yeah,

1:18:30

they put like Jolly Ranchers in it to make it

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sweeter so they don't taste like coffee ever heard of

1:18:34

it. Yep It's

1:18:37

a new thing man. All the kids are doing it Hold

1:18:40

of that drink some purple drink

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man. Mm-hmm and you're a lowrider.

1:18:45

Yeah Well,

1:18:48

thank you Ming we appreciate you coming out. Oh, yeah,

1:18:50

we broke one of his rules though He's like don't

1:18:52

go over an hour and we went. Oh,

1:18:54

come on hour and 20 minutes. Oh Wow

1:18:58

Yeah, this is your show not mine. So Yeah,

1:19:01

you guys operate by your own rules. That's why

1:19:03

you guys have gone almost You

1:19:05

keep throwing it out there like you like you're

1:19:07

like you're trying like that We play like our

1:19:10

own rules and we do we want as a

1:19:12

sigh Yeah, is that there is that the aura

1:19:14

that we put out there? Like oh, yeah, kind

1:19:16

of like rebel. I believe so Yeah, really? I

1:19:19

like that there was um, there was a strip

1:19:21

that came out recently on

1:19:23

TSD Comics on Instagram and it's You

1:19:26

were asking who's the bad boy of of podcasts

1:19:28

and I said if you're talking about bad at

1:19:30

it It's probably Mike and man. Yeah, so I

1:19:33

think maybe we could be the bad boys of

1:19:35

podcasting, right? Right. I mean, do you know anybody

1:19:37

else who's as rebellious as we are? No, not

1:19:39

really definitely way in 2024 Like

1:19:42

I think it's like freaking like

1:19:44

like Bill Lambier Pistons

1:19:50

1989 like one championships like my you

1:19:52

know this guy or throwing elbows at

1:19:54

the podcast world I had no idea you

1:19:56

had you held out in that regard Sure Really?

1:20:00

to me it feels more like clown shoes. Clown

1:20:02

shoes? Don't be for a laugh man. I'm

1:20:05

being five months into those clown shoes. Continue

1:20:07

to do a patreon.com/T-E-S-D man. Wow,

1:20:09

look at this motherfucker. Promotion

1:20:12

machine. Yeah man. Hashtag fucking

1:20:14

five bucks. Hashtag Patreon. Heck

1:20:16

yeah man. Hashtag, tell him

1:20:19

Steve Dave.