0:00

Now let's get back to the That Chapter podcast.

0:02

So thank you so much for listening and thank you for

0:04

joining me and Keith as we are

0:07

once again going to tell you some kind of like

0:09

horror story or whatever it is we talk about. Some

0:11

spooky shit. It's so different doing the podcast than

0:13

doing the YouTube channel because in YouTube, in YouTube

0:15

it's kind of like I have

0:17

like a spiel and stuff that I do and it's

0:19

really, it's really nice. I really enjoy doing it. The

0:21

podcast is just kind of like... Freeing.

0:24

Yeah freeing I guess. I guess that's one way of saying

0:26

it because it's like I have, I don't have anything

0:28

like I'm just, I'm rawdog and there's like, I don't

0:31

know. Yeah, exactly. I don't even

0:33

know what I'm going to say next. Sometimes I

0:35

start a sentence and don't know where it's going

0:37

to go. Yeah, exactly. I do not know where

0:39

the sentence will lead me. It's an adventure for

0:41

us both. Like I have no

0:43

notes of how to actually introduce podcasts. I'm just

0:45

like, welcome back. I hope

0:48

you're doing well. Wherever you are. Daytime,

0:50

night time, sometime. Keith's here. Keith,

0:53

talk. It's

0:55

cold out today. It is. We're going to be coming in. Bur, you

0:57

know what I mean? You

1:00

going to set up for Christmas? You put up a Christmas tree?

1:02

Yeah, I'm sure I will, I guess. It's

1:04

a fucking pain in the ass Christmas. Yeah, I know Christmas

1:06

is fun, but it's just such a pain in the

1:08

ass. It's more, you know, it's more

1:10

shit to do than shit to enjoy. Yeah, we never

1:13

did before, but now we have like our kids. Yeah.

1:15

One will be a bit special. So we have like, we actually bought

1:17

a tree. She has like the bottom left

1:20

hand cord of tree. Really nicely decorated. Cool. Like the

1:22

whole bottom. Just that one bottom. Why she can reach.

1:24

Just like one spot. It doesn't like spread it out.

1:26

It's just like a cluster of decorations. This is her

1:28

corner. If you try to touch it and move it,

1:30

it's like, well, just spread it out. No. We'll

1:33

leave it. All right. Well, that's

1:35

it. And today's episode, we

1:38

are going to Canada. Ladies

1:40

and gentlemen, that's for today's episode. We're

1:43

going to tell the story of Adam

1:45

Strong. Strong Adam Strong and being a

1:47

real piece of shit. And so today,

1:49

today's episode takes us to Oshawa. That's

1:52

where it takes us. It does. Yeah.

1:55

Very, very, very close to my heart. I was, I think

1:58

it was said before on the old pod. I

2:00

lived in Toronto for two years. You never mention it.

2:02

You really keep that to yourself, keep that you lived

2:04

in Canada for a couple of years. Never ring it

2:06

up. It's one of those things that I bring up to

2:08

you. I like to make, when

2:10

we're chatting away, I like to

2:13

give context when I'm talking about it. But

2:15

I do feel like when I'm with you, I say a lot, oh, when

2:17

I was in Canada, when I was in Canada, but I was in Canada.

2:19

You were in Canada, right. I'm going to clarify. Were you in Oshawa? I

2:22

was there once for a work thing. So

2:25

briefly for A Day. But no, I at least spent

2:27

my whole time in Toronto. Oh, OK. So

2:29

you weren't actually, you were only in Oshawa once, which is a

2:31

setting for this story. And you don't have much experience with

2:34

it. So your experience is pretty much

2:36

irrelevant than to what we're talking about. OK, no need to

2:38

mention, you're in Canada ever again. Oshawa lies about 50 kilometres

2:40

to the north east of Toronto. By the way, you bring

2:42

up lots of Canada stuff. Tell

2:45

the story about the police. That's

2:47

a funny story. Oh, yeah. Well,

2:49

yeah, I guess when I was in Canada,

2:51

to be fair, the people in Canada, the

2:54

whole stereotype of Canadians

2:56

being nice, it is true. We didn't have

2:58

any problem. Actually, the biggest problem we had

3:00

in Canada was with other Irish people. Oh,

3:02

yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. They were like fucking

3:04

Irish fucking shitsters over there. But yeah, Canadians,

3:06

super, super nice people. I remember there was

3:08

one time I was in, I think it

3:10

was like a Walmart or something like that,

3:12

I was going to the car park and

3:15

there was this guy walking up and he was

3:17

shouting at this sort of guy across the car park. I was like, hey,

3:19

hey. I was like, oh, shit, kick off. Yeah.

3:23

Oh, yeah. Fight, fight, fight. I was like, fucking

3:25

hell, get ready for this. Settling in for it. I

3:27

was like, hey, hey, screaming at him across the car

3:29

park. Eventually, the guy turned around and was like, hey,

3:31

man, seeing you today. I forgot to say happy birthday.

3:33

Happy birthday, John. I was like, oh, shit. I thought

3:35

he was going to like, because everybody

3:37

was going to get their ass kicked or something.

3:39

Yeah, yeah, just a really nice guy shouting happy

3:42

birthday across the parking lot. Nice. But

3:44

we did have one weird experience with Canadians

3:46

over there. Really? It was our first

3:48

year where we were living there and across the street, we

3:50

heard screaming. We were on like the

3:53

third floor and we were looking at, we heard screaming,

3:55

we looked at the window and the house crossed the

3:57

street from us. The door swung open and this woman

3:59

ran out. screaming and then behind her a man

4:01

ran out he was covered in blood and he

4:03

had a knife in his hands and he ran

4:05

off down like a dark alley and we were

4:07

like f**k. So we went outside and we were

4:09

like get in the house, get in the house

4:12

trying to get the woman not the

4:14

man. We were trying to get the woman in the house who

4:16

brought her in, we brought her up there and

4:22

gave her a cup of tea, she went to

4:24

calm her nerves and she started explaining to us

4:26

and she was like yeah no he's my boyfriend

4:29

he came over he started stabbing himself because he

4:31

wanted my methadone and we were like oh f**k.

4:33

We turned very quickly from like get in the

4:35

house, get out of the house. You might have

4:37

actually been better off letting him in. Pretty much

4:39

yeah. So eventually we were like okay let's go

4:42

outside my place, get out of the house. So

4:44

we went outside but the police came and it turned

4:46

out your man had a warrant out for his arrest

4:48

but it was crazy that night. There was like I

4:50

think there was a tree or four police cars showed

4:52

up with like dogs coming out of the back and

4:54

stuff and like the proper sniffer dogs going out searching

4:56

the alleyways but it must have been about maybe 18,

4:59

20 police officers there with dogs and stuff. For one?

5:01

For one guy, he like got us what he done. Wow.

5:04

Yeah. We were loving, we had a great

5:06

time. We were drinking, we were looking out. Drinking drinks, sipping cans, looking

5:08

out the window. Yeah, lights in the windows. We started out in the

5:10

window and then we were like as we got

5:12

drunk we went outside and started chatting to the police like

5:15

what the f**k, I didn't think of that but we

5:17

were like trying to like hey, what's happening, what's happening?

5:19

I don't know what year that drunk and you think

5:21

everybody's like that talkative and also that drunk and you're

5:23

like, you stupid Irish people. Yeah.

5:28

Well, today's story has more stupid cops but

5:30

I guess they probably were a little bit

5:32

more riled up than the cops that you

5:35

met. And it takes us to Oshawa as

5:37

you said, a city of about 170,000 people and growing fast. It

5:41

is a city known for its automobile history,

5:43

its colleges and these days it seems to

5:46

be the place to be. So

5:48

long as you don't run into Adam Strone. Like

5:51

two people in the story did. Oshawa

5:53

is in the Durham region which sits

5:55

along that big ol'' lake with Oshawa

5:57

Harbor being a place to fish. On

6:00

the eleventh of September, Twenty seven seen.

6:03

You. Would not want this to be your

6:05

catch the day. At around eleven

6:07

thirty pm et le Monde, a Bill Evans

6:09

and eleven year old boy and his grandfather

6:11

were fishing away along with hear how minutes.

6:13

Grand old time. It was a

6:15

busy time and during the annual salmon run.

6:18

As. They were looking for Boss Sam

6:20

and other fists. They spotted something bobbing

6:22

in the water and it was awesome.

6:25

What? Was the fish. They. Called Nine

6:27

One One after spotting a torso

6:29

floating in the water. Not exactly

6:31

a site you want to see.

6:34

The torso was recovered and it was

6:36

a female's. A post mortem was

6:39

undertaken as they worked to identify the

6:41

remains Be noted at a time, the

6:43

quotes obvious signs of trauma which is

6:45

our well as a human torso were

6:47

literally nothing else. So it's pretty obvious

6:49

signs of trauma. You're not off to

6:51

a great start here. The

6:54

autopsy was inconclusive. They couldn't

6:56

say what killed this woman.

6:58

whoever she was. It. Was

7:00

ruled a homicide though be quite accidents

7:02

if it wasn't. It. Was basically

7:04

determines in November. Twenty seventeen. To.

7:07

Be the body of Rory has say.

7:09

But. My slow core memory for us? the love

7:11

your Oh Boy nearby yeah the time they

7:14

they caught a torso in the late fond

7:16

memories would old oh perhaps if. The.

7:18

As as Arthur Dent find a he would remains belong

7:20

to the current they really has had didn't have much

7:22

to go on and not only. Did

7:24

they only have torso but none of

7:27

the internal organs from Roars torso An

7:29

optimum where poverty to and the and

7:31

police there were only able to identify

7:33

true the a nail. And

7:35

Rory. She was from offshore and she'd

7:37

been missing since the Twenty Nine August

7:40

twenty seventeen, which was two weeks before

7:42

for torso was found floating in the

7:44

lake. Murray. Was eighteen years

7:46

old and was pregnant as a time where

7:48

disappearance. She. came from a biker

7:50

family her grandfather was the founder of

7:53

the satans choice and see on box

7:55

for canada or uncle was a hell's

7:57

angels so not exactly the kind of

7:59

family years you want to fuck with. Rory

8:01

was loved, and she was kind, but she did have her

8:03

own struggles. Namely with Crystal Meth

8:05

and she had been homeless for a time.

8:08

Yeah, when she was young, at

8:10

13 years old, she was an army

8:12

cadet. And she

8:14

was actually cadet of the year in her regiment

8:16

as well, but most teenagers she developed a bit

8:18

of a rebellious streak. Feel like me now. Hell

8:21

yeah brother, we frickin' rocked out. Rocked out

8:24

with a cockset all the time. We

8:26

were the coolest kids in school. Yeah, we'd test the manhood,

8:28

we had all our cool shit that we used to do,

8:31

we dressed as Batman and Robin. Yeah, don't look it up,

8:33

just take our word for it. We were the coolest people

8:35

in school. Yeah. But yeah,

8:37

unfortunately during this rebellious streak in her first month

8:39

of high school, someone gave her some Crystal Meth,

8:41

which led to a few

8:44

years of struggle and homelessness, as

8:46

you mentioned. But when she was 18,

8:48

she started turning her life around

8:50

and getting her life back on track. She returned back

8:52

to school, she had a job, she even had her

8:54

own apartment, and she had a boyfriend named Tony. And

8:57

the couple, they seemed to be in a good place,

8:59

just before she went missing. Yeah, exactly, like she said,

9:01

she had her troubles, but she

9:03

was doing better. As you both said, Rory was trying,

9:06

she was supporting herself, and she was reported

9:08

missing via guidance, cancer in late August. But

9:10

that was that, her family, they went around

9:12

town, they put up the flyers, posters, whatever,

9:15

but they never found anything until two

9:17

weeks past. So who could

9:19

have done this to Rory? The

9:22

day that she went missing, she was actually brought

9:24

to the emergency room by her friend and her

9:26

friend's mum. They said that she

9:28

was having a bit of a mental episode, so

9:30

her friend's mum decided to take Rory to the

9:32

hospital. And just have her checked out, her friend

9:34

and her friend's mum, they decided to leave then

9:36

for some reason, but Rory, after that,

9:39

she only stayed for about 15 minutes before she

9:41

left on her own. And this was the last

9:43

time she was seeing a live on

9:45

camera. So what

9:47

happened to her would not

9:49

be answered for about a

9:51

month after she was positively

9:53

identified late December. But

9:55

it wasn't, you know, solved, the

9:57

case wasn't cracked by stellar police

9:59

investigators. work. It was a plumber

10:01

who cracked this one, though he

10:04

probably wished he had. Did you

10:07

ever have the police call through your door when you were in Canada? I

10:10

did. Yeah? Yeah, I had a plea- they- it

10:12

was- What were you doing? Tell me now. This

10:14

is being recorded, just so you know. We

10:17

were having a party. Oh, fucking bastard.

10:19

There's actually- this wasn't- I've been in

10:21

Canada twice, so the last time I

10:23

was there, I was there with my- my

10:26

now wife, and then before that I went while I was in

10:28

college on like J1, just for, I think it was like two

10:30

or three months. Mm-hmm. But while I was there, we

10:33

were- we were having a party, and we were a bit loud,

10:35

and the cops called to the door, and they

10:37

knocked on the door, and we answered, and they were like,

10:39

shhhh, you know. And we opened the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:41

Be cool, be cool. So we opened the

10:43

door, and the police were like, you guys

10:45

having a party? And we were like, yeah, yeah, sorry, why don't

10:47

you keep it down? And they were like, oh, are you guys

10:49

Irish? And we were like, yeah, and I was like, can

10:52

we come in? Can we party with you? Yeah, so they

10:54

came in. They were like- they were finishing up the shit.

10:56

They didn't have a drink. Yeah. But

10:58

they came in, they sat down, they stayed for

11:00

like 15, 20 minutes. Really? Just shooting the shit?

11:03

Yeah, we got photos with them. They had like

11:05

a pretend like they were rapping, so I could

11:07

send them home. But no, they were really cool.

11:09

And then they were leaving, like, just keep it

11:11

down, guys. Like, we will, we will. That's cool.

11:13

They're cool cops. Well, this call will be a

11:15

little bit different from that one. So,

11:17

on the 29th of December, 2017, a plumber

11:21

named Sean Farandon was called by the

11:23

tenants on the main floor of 19 McMillan

11:26

Drive, Oshawa, which is an

11:29

address pretty close to downtown. See, they had

11:31

called the plumber because the drains were backed

11:33

up, and he was here to fix their

11:35

pipes. Sean probably thought it was a, you

11:37

know, Christmas time. It's that week between Christmas

11:39

and New Year's, slowdown of the Guinness and

11:41

the turkey sandwiches. Let's say we get a

11:43

mess like this. From a

11:45

friend? Yeah, that's it. All of that's

11:48

turned into something I don't think anyone

11:50

should have heard of. So, right, the

11:52

pipes were blocked, and he got down,

11:54

he started poking, prodding, snaking the drains,

11:56

some block down here. Then he realized he couldn't

11:59

solve it from the main floor. floor. He had to go

12:01

down to the basement apartment as the problem was lower

12:03

down. He's gonna try it from that side. So

12:06

he knocked on the door and an

12:08

odd guy opened and let him in.

12:11

In the basement apartment the toilet

12:13

had been removed. Which was weird.

12:16

And the smell was um... not

12:19

very good. So with

12:21

the toilet gone, Sean went into the kitchen

12:23

as the occupant of the basement apartment, paced

12:26

back and forth. He was watching everything Sean

12:28

was doing, like staring over his shoulder. Are

12:30

you almost done? Are you almost done? You're

12:32

almost done. And then

12:34

Sean, still there, oh

12:36

man, he pulled from the drains

12:38

what looked to be this long,

12:41

stringy pinkish red material.

12:45

It was described as a flesh-like

12:47

substance. Only thing

12:50

is it wasn't just flesh-like.

12:53

Sean, not knowing what to do,

12:56

quietly texted his boss. Who?

12:58

Texted back. Put away your

13:00

equipment, just don't make it obvious.

13:03

And then they called the police.

13:07

Apparently the issue had actually started several

13:09

days before, and strong he was drawn

13:11

to DIY it. Apparently he was seeing

13:13

him because he had flushed a condom

13:15

down the toilet. That's what he said.

13:18

Oh, that was okay. Yeah,

13:21

he went up to his upstairs neighbours, the people who

13:23

would later call Sean, asking if

13:25

they had a snake strain for

13:28

the toilet, saying that he had flushed a condom

13:30

down and had a blockage. And he was trying

13:32

to fix himself, but yeah. And he just got

13:34

angry and tore the whole toilet.

13:36

Yeah, rawr, what just... Like the

13:38

scene from Dumb and Dumber. Yeah,

13:40

yeah, yeah. What are you doing

13:43

there? I'm shaving. But

13:46

yeah, he didn't want plumbers called for obvious reasons, but

13:48

yeah, that's where the toilet was gone. But by the

13:50

29th, it was so bad that the neighbours, They

13:53

could smell it and our bathtub started backing

13:55

up. So The smell was as emanate through

13:57

the house. Right. And So that's when they

13:59

called. They call Sean. So.

14:02

I'd heard a Pm that evening an officer

14:04

arrived and the plumbers who were waiting outside

14:06

a cold evening because they did not want

14:08

to spend a second longer. Inside they showed

14:10

the top what they sound they took as

14:13

what they discovered and placed into a shopping

14:15

bag and me and my years look at.

14:18

It was a fleshy like substance,

14:20

maybe turkey and fourteen inches long.

14:22

So outside, over foot long. So.

14:25

It also called for backup for more.

14:27

Officers soon arrived and they went down

14:29

to the basement apartments. The not those

14:32

your neighbor you know what exactly have

14:34

you been flushed down? other than I'd

14:36

be usual. The. Person who lived

14:39

in that basement apartment said quotes, okay,

14:41

you got me the gigs up. It's

14:43

a body. If you want to recover

14:45

the rest of her, she's in my freezer. She's.

14:48

Buried. D. Slashed.

14:51

That. Guy's name. Was. Adam

14:54

Jeffrey Strong. Capital

14:56

straight with yeah we use I I yeah

14:58

got me? In size Adams

15:01

Apartments, which was, by way

15:03

the definition of a shit

15:05

box. Sea ice everywhere, ashtrays

15:07

overflowing, random electronics, random place,

15:09

food, you name it. lights.

15:11

So nightmare. And. In there

15:14

they did find the rest of Rory

15:16

body inside garbage bags inside a large

15:18

freezer he cats in his bedroom. I

15:21

can only guess he didn't want to

15:23

end of defrosting the wrong thing or

15:25

in your bedroom. I mean come on.

15:27

yikes. I've seen photos of the freezer

15:29

yeah it's like Little Stray of our

15:31

movie. It's yes, do like stained yellow,

15:34

numerous Death Grip near as it's a

15:36

nasty story And not only that, Rory

15:38

High Seas blood he was found on

15:40

the bedroom walls, the ceiling. And

15:42

his semen was an honor body. One.

15:45

of the detective said thus for arrows

15:47

had a distinct tattoo. And

15:49

said the word allies on her neck.

15:52

And in the freezer they found a human head

15:54

with the very same tattoo on the neck. And

15:56

that's when he knew that. Date dates and Rory.

15:59

The. Author: and Rory's running shoes and a plastic bag

16:01

in the room, also covered with blood.

16:04

Yeah, I don't think he can get any more gruesome

16:06

than that to be honest. So

16:08

Adam he was arrested, he was charged with

16:10

indecent interference with a dead body, but

16:13

you know, up until that moment he had

16:15

not been on the police radar at all.

16:17

And it's so weird his whole thing, so

16:20

Rory disappeared in August. Her

16:23

torso alone showed up in the lake

16:25

two weeks after she disappeared, and then

16:27

months later the rest of her was

16:29

still in his apartment and he

16:31

was trying to flush it down the toilet, down

16:34

pipes. Like what was he doing with

16:36

her body? I don't wanna know. Yeah. I

16:39

mean how long was she alive after she disappeared? Right.

16:42

I don't think we know. And then why he got

16:44

rid of her torso but still kept on to her

16:46

other organs for months. Yeah. Why

16:48

didn't he just get rid of all of her into the

16:50

lake? I know. It's such a disturbing, I

16:52

think. This is like one of those things where it's like

16:55

you have all these questions about what he was doing and

16:57

it's like, you don't really wanna know what the answer was,

16:59

I think. So Adam Strong in 2017 was 45

17:01

years old. And

17:05

not really a huge bunch is known about him other

17:07

than the fact that he studied the

17:09

blade. There's some really nerdy-ass pictures

17:11

of him like with knives and shit on his

17:14

Facebook profiles. He literally looks like, you know, a

17:16

fedora wearing guy with a samurai sword. Just think

17:18

of the biggest edgelord you can imagine in your

17:20

life. Yeah, exactly. He's got this

17:22

like kind of like longish greasy, the swept

17:24

back hair. He's kind of overweight. And he

17:26

worked at times as a security guard on

17:29

movie sets. A lot of movies are made

17:31

in Toronto? Mm-hmm. Well,

17:33

I... Because we always bring up that you live there

17:35

or should you always bring... No, I'm kidding. But did

17:37

you ever see any movies when you were in Toronto?

17:39

Any movies being made? It's a stand-in for New York,

17:42

I believe, right? It is. We've

17:44

seen a couple of spots. Like, yeah, I think it's cheaper

17:46

to shoot in Toronto than is New York for all its

17:48

reasons. But yeah, there'll be a couple of times where I'd

17:50

be walking home and they'd have like the... Looks like the

17:52

subway stations for New York. Mm-hmm. And

17:55

they also... They shot Suicide Squad there.

17:57

Ah, the first one. While I was

17:59

there, yeah. movie it wasn't great

18:01

no bad movie and it was pixels as

18:03

well okay yeah so we kind of seen

18:05

the bit I have seen here but we

18:07

seem like I didn't see anyone famous I

18:09

see like the whole production crew okay yeah

18:11

it's kind of cool yeah it's gotta go

18:13

yeah like there was one I remember there's

18:15

one from Suicide Squad and I was there

18:17

I was meeting my wife now after work

18:19

and there was all this rubble outside oh

18:21

wow you're like oh my god it's movie

18:23

roll well I didn't realize it was like

18:26

I thought was real I just thought was like construction

18:28

site okay and then this guy came out and he

18:30

just picked up this huge massive concrete block and just

18:32

like picked up and threw it on the back of

18:34

the truck like whoa it's not the styrofoam but I

18:36

didn't realize there was a movie being shot at

18:39

the time yeah that's cool so as I

18:41

said he worked as a security guard on movie

18:43

sets he'd been fired however a couple of times

18:45

and currently he was working as a gas station

18:47

attendant but he loved to be out on the

18:49

water on his boat scuba diving which

18:51

well that would explain how a torso ended up in the

18:53

lake and he was mad into a

18:55

bit of the L BDSM he's like all about it

18:57

he posts all the time on his Facebook

19:00

and on these like BDSM websites but

19:03

how he just loved loved loved it's mad

19:05

about it the B to the D to

19:07

the S to the M all all

19:09

the acronyms and he was a fierce man

19:11

for leaving reviews on porn who leaves

19:13

a review on a porn I know right

19:16

this guy does like lighting eight out and

19:18

directing seven out of ten however

19:20

he didn't seem to be terribly lucky with the ladies

19:23

see his ex-girlfriend cheated on and afterwards she

19:25

moved in with the new fella and that's

19:27

when those two new Adams

19:30

say he went off the rails

19:33

one other woman who had relations with

19:35

Adam said he was controlling and abusive

19:37

often choking her out and forcing himself

19:39

on her tiny frame more women

19:41

would say this about him like he was

19:44

into BDSM and not so much in a

19:46

consensual way they might not be into it

19:48

he didn't care he

19:50

had been in trouble with his landlord previously

19:52

she once did a walkthrough of her place

19:54

and it was that you can find a

19:57

video of her walkthrough this was before he

19:59

was arrested It's

20:01

online, it's on YouTube, and

20:03

the video is kind of hard to describe because there's just so much

20:05

shite. A hoarder's hovel. When I covered

20:07

this on my YouTube channel, I included the

20:09

video. But during the video,

20:11

the landlord actually cries. Her property is in such a

20:13

state. It's kind of a wonder why he wasn't kicked

20:16

out. Right? Yeah. Off the place, it was such

20:18

a shit pile. Yeah. It

20:21

really is kind of hard to find out too much about. Adam

20:23

authorities never released much, and it seems like he was kind

20:25

of under the radar. For a lot of

20:27

his life, not a lot of people really knew him, so not a

20:30

lot of people would come forward to kind of speak

20:32

about him. Now, the

20:34

search of Adam's home was actually

20:36

delayed, as when they went in,

20:38

they discovered a suspicious, potentially explosive

20:41

package. Neighbors were asked to

20:43

leave, and a robot went in and dealt

20:45

with it safely. Turned out to be a

20:47

pipe bomb, and so after that was

20:49

disarmed, they entered this house of horrors.

20:53

Adam had actually been living there for

20:55

14 years, and it certainly looked like

20:57

there was 14 years of shite

21:00

in that basement apartment. And

21:02

that was when the police announced that the victim in the

21:04

house was Rory Hache. The

21:06

searches went on for a number of months.

21:08

That's how long it took to go through all

21:10

the shit that was there, with

21:12

Adam being charged and not a whole

21:14

lot being released. He made the

21:17

odd court appearance, laughing his head off, but

21:19

that was until July 2018, seven

21:21

months after he was initially arrested. The

21:24

DNA of a second woman was

21:26

found in Adam's basement. So

21:28

the DNA that they found was on

21:30

a specialty knife used for

21:32

hunting, and it's only used for one thing

21:35

by hunters, and that's cutting and skinning animals.

21:38

The DNA match of the

21:40

second person wasn't true blood either, but it

21:42

was from tissue material. Wow, so literally her

21:44

flesh was still on the knife

21:46

when the police found it. That's, uh, yeah.

21:50

And that tissue would determine to be

21:52

that of Candace Fitzpatrick, who was last

21:54

seen during the summer of 2008, ten

21:56

years before Adam's throne was... was

22:00

arrested, which is a long time, and her

22:02

flesh was still on the knife ten

22:04

years later. That's frickin'... Candace

22:07

was 19 years old when she

22:09

disappeared. However, she wasn't reported missing until

22:13

2010, two years after she

22:15

was last seen. See, Candace struggled, like

22:17

Rory struggled, and she was homeless for

22:19

a time. She dealt with drugs and,

22:21

well, once again, Adam preyed on the

22:24

vulnerable people of Oshawa. She

22:26

was last seen leaving her home, going

22:28

to a mall, and never seen again.

22:32

In the interrogations that they had, so in

22:34

the first interrogation they had with Adam, right

22:36

after the discovery of Rory's remains in his

22:38

freezer, they didn't learn much from, other than

22:40

how much of a prick he was. And he

22:42

kind of just sat there asking, how

22:44

much longer is it going to take,

22:46

and refusing to answer any of the

22:49

questions. However, now, eleven months after his

22:51

initial arrest, armed with all the evidence

22:53

they collected from Adam's apartment, including the

22:55

DNA from the second victim, strong, he

22:57

was now, once again, brought

22:59

in for a second round of questioning. However,

23:01

this time, he was facing two

23:03

first degree murder charges. He

23:06

was a complete man child piece of

23:08

shit, and investigators knew that they needed

23:10

the interrogation to be admissible, of course,

23:13

for the prosecution. So they started off

23:15

the interview asking if he'd been treated

23:17

okay in prison, and if

23:19

he had any needs. Yeah, hey,

23:21

where's his buddies? You know, we're

23:23

friends, you can talk to me.

23:25

We're cool, we're cool. So

23:27

strong said that he hadn't eaten yet. And

23:29

so they got him some food to which

23:31

strong took full advantage of. This

23:34

is his order. Wendy's triple, no

23:36

pickles, iced tea, no ice, two

23:38

other value spicy chicken wraps and

23:40

a grilled chicken Caesar salad. And

23:43

he ate the fucking lot. That's a

23:45

lot of food. That's a lot. He's

23:47

one fat fucker. Yep. And

23:49

his only complaint was that he didn't get

23:51

any fries. And when the detective said, he didn't

23:54

order any fries. He was like, no, I

23:57

ordered a combo. Yeah. He's

24:02

such a bitch. When you listen to his interrogations, he

24:04

even just talks like really annoying. He's like a really

24:06

annoying, he's very, he's like, you know, when you read

24:08

about this and probably, you know, when we're explaining the

24:10

story and talking about it, he kind of probably had

24:12

this image of like Adam being

24:15

this like quiet like, kind of guy. He's

24:17

actually got this like really annoying kind of

24:19

high pitched voice. Sounds really needy

24:21

and like, like when he's in order, he's

24:23

like, oh, is that too much? Is that cool? Or is

24:25

that too much? It's like, yeah, really weird. It's

24:28

like, ah, even if you

24:30

weren't a despicable piece of shit monster, I

24:32

would hate you just because I just,

24:34

you seem to be a really annoying person. Yeah,

24:36

yeah. He's complete, complete piece of shit. Uh,

24:39

Wendy's triple. Yeah, that's

24:42

doable. No pickles. I

24:45

see no ice. Um,

24:48

to their value.

24:52

Spicy chicken wraps and

24:54

a grilled chicken Caesar salad. Okay.

24:58

Is that outrageous? No, that's doable. Is

25:00

there any way I can get a

25:03

cigarette? Anyways, what is this? Oh, and

25:07

a ranch of Caesar. Oh my

25:09

God. Um, but even

25:11

with the fries fiasco, uh, Strong, he

25:13

now seemed happy to talk and boy

25:15

did he talk strong. He

25:18

was, he was really strangely calm throughout the

25:20

whole interrogation and his demeanor when talking about

25:22

his victims, it was, it was really, it

25:24

was chilling. He talked about

25:26

him as if there were just

25:28

objects and showed absolutely zero emotion

25:30

or remorse. So for example,

25:32

strong asked questions like, um, how much

25:35

of her body did you guys get?

25:37

Get back? Obviously the entire skeletal structure.

25:39

Right. And what a question he asked was how

25:41

much of it were you able to pull out of the pipes? So he was like,

25:44

he was genuinely asking questions. He was just, he was like

25:46

interested. He knew he did. He wasn't saying

25:48

he didn't do it. He just wanted to know who's curious. He

25:51

also bragged about us. And when talking about

25:53

dismembering the body, he said, I don't remember.

25:56

It wasn't important to me, man. Jesus.

25:58

Yeah. There's

26:01

no way you're getting around that I chopped

26:03

her up. There's no way. And I understand

26:05

that. We weren't wondering if

26:07

you chopped her up. It was obvious that

26:09

I did, yeah. And, um... It

26:11

was all done in one evening. Oh, really? Oh,

26:14

yeah. But this was all one piece, and then this was

26:16

all one piece up and down. I

26:18

couldn't. Yeah, really? Sorry, man. I don't remember.

26:21

Really? Yeah, it wasn't important to me,

26:23

man. But, um, I think

26:25

he was so calm because he thought that they

26:27

were only talking about the dismemberment and disposal, which

26:29

was why he was charged for the first time.

26:31

Yeah. Which, like, he knew

26:34

they had him dead to write them. However, I

26:36

think he still believed that he could get away

26:38

with the actual murder of Rory and Candice. Yeah,

26:40

exactly, because as far as he knew, he was

26:42

like, okay, you got me. I chopped up their

26:44

bodies, and I got rid of

26:46

their bodies. But you have no proof I actually

26:48

killed them. Exactly, yeah. That's what he was thinking.

26:50

And throughout his various court appearances, you know, pretrial

26:52

and all that, he showed no emotion, apart

26:55

from the first one where he was having a great time

26:57

laughing his head off. Other times, however,

26:59

he would refuse to leave his cell

27:01

for a hearing. Now, the trial began

27:04

proper in September 2020. He

27:06

pled not guilty, even

27:09

though he admitted to doing it when the police originally

27:11

rocked up. And in interviews, he said

27:13

he was like, yep, you know, I

27:15

did it. You got me. You know, what can I

27:17

say? But the defense tried to

27:19

rule them as inadmissible. I suppose

27:21

you got to try. During his trial,

27:24

five women who were due to head

27:26

up to the sand and they were

27:28

victims of sexual violence by Adam, and

27:31

they would testify about a pulley contraption

27:33

he would use in his basement apartment

27:36

to bind and restrain them. I'm not

27:38

sure which is worse, being bound and

27:40

restrained or simply being in his apartment.

27:43

That's horrifying. A pulley system? Yeah,

27:45

exactly. The meat pipes, I think, are I'm not

27:47

sure if the meat pipes are the most disturbing

27:49

thing in this place. Now, it's not

27:52

entirely sure how both Rory or Candice

27:54

died. Rory had skull fractures, but the

27:56

medical examiner couldn't tell if that had

27:58

been done before or after death. And

28:00

although during those interviews Adam would say he tried

28:03

to dispose of the bodies, when he was asked

28:05

how they died he would zip

28:07

the lip, he would never say. The

28:10

prosecution alleged they both had been

28:12

killed either during sexual assaults or

28:15

after they had been held by Adam in his

28:17

basement for a time, which is like grim. He

28:21

then chopped them both up, very kind of

28:24

somewhere at the time, and

28:26

dumped Rory's torso in the lake and then tried

28:28

to flush the rest of it down the toilet,

28:31

months after he disposed of

28:33

her torso. Both were

28:36

vulnerable young women, essentially homeless, had no

28:38

fixed address, both were drug users and

28:40

worked at times in the sex trade,

28:42

both frequented downtown Oshawa and neither had

28:45

a personal connection to Adam. Those

28:49

similarities between the two victims will raise

28:51

a question we will raise later on

28:54

but if it happened to those two how many more did

28:56

it happen to? Rory went

28:58

missing on the 29th of August. Adam's

29:00

cell phone data location pointed him at being

29:02

in the Oshawa harbour on the 4th of

29:04

September, so about a week before Rory's torso

29:07

was found, so therefore she was in the

29:09

water for about 7 days. Between

29:12

when she was missing and when she was dumped God only

29:14

knows what happened. The defence tried

29:16

to say that Rory likely died of

29:18

an overdose, she was a drug user

29:21

and Adam stumbled across her and

29:23

well he simply just chopped her up. Man

29:26

Candace, we don't even know what happened

29:28

to Candace, she could have had a

29:30

nosebleed in his apartment, that's why her

29:33

tissue was found on a knife in

29:35

his basement, but who really knows? The

29:38

trial came to an end and the verdicts were read out

29:40

in March 2021. Adam

29:43

Strong was found guilty of first degree

29:45

murder of Rory Hachet. He

29:48

was found not guilty of first degree

29:50

murder of Candace Fitzpatrick, but guilty of

29:53

manslaughter. Strong

30:00

was convicted in March of 2021

30:03

on first-greet murder in

30:05

the death of Rory Hachette. He was 18 and

30:08

the manslaughter in the death of Candace Fitzpatrick,

30:10

19. Strong remained quiet

30:12

on the mystery of Candace's remains

30:14

until July 2021 when he told

30:17

prison authorities his secret. Police

30:19

visited the Oshawa site with Strong

30:21

on November 4th and uncovered human

30:24

remains four days later. Recovery

30:26

of the remains was completed on November

30:28

13th and they were sent to the

30:30

Centre for Forensic Sciences for DNA testing.

30:33

Fitzpatrick's family and loved ones were informed

30:35

of the development after the testing confirmed

30:37

the remains to be hers. It

30:40

was also confirmed that there was no

30:42

financial compensation or added privileges for

30:44

him while he was in custody. They

30:46

said there was some negotiation on his part but

30:48

none of which was entertained by the police. I

30:50

don't think that's a negotiation and I think he

30:52

was just asking for shit and the police were

30:55

like, no. I

30:57

think he tried, like he was only in prison for four to five

31:01

months when he tried to play his only card

31:03

to negotiate, I guess like comfort and privilege in

31:05

prison. Trying to get a Wendy's with no pickles.

31:07

That was it and he didn't get it and

31:09

I couldn't be happier. Yeah. I hope he rots.

31:13

So yeah that's the major thing

31:15

which I've already kind of mentioned

31:17

but you know there's so many

31:19

years between Candace disappearing and Rory

31:21

disappearing right almost a decade so

31:23

it's like, I mean there's got

31:25

to be others in Oshawa, you know. Like it's

31:27

a town that's on the up and up but

31:29

it was kind of like it was a real

31:31

rust belt town kind of previously and I think

31:33

there's you know probably a lot of vulnerable young

31:35

women out there who maybe you know it's just

31:37

like you know killers who are as grotesque and

31:39

disturbing as him. It's like they don't really take

31:42

breaks like a 10-year break is like a long

31:44

time. It is not as gruesome as he

31:46

was so the fact that he got away

31:48

with Candace for so long Rory was only

31:50

found by accident, his own accident, at

31:52

the end of the day. It's like I think there's probably

31:54

a good chance there was more women

31:57

out there. I

32:00

feel like once everything started going to soothe in

32:02

his own personal life like his friends and Or

32:04

his family even said that's when he started a

32:06

spiral Mm-hmm, and it was kind of like I

32:09

know kind of cling on to one of my

32:11

good eyes and Maybe he

32:13

said like well, I killed woman details and nice and I

32:15

never got caught. Let's try that again. Let's

32:17

do it again Yeah, yeah all off one time. I

32:20

do feel he got away with a true like cheered dumb look But

32:23

he was also very good at picking

32:25

on vulnerable women. He was a predator

32:27

Yeah, and what I feel really haunting

32:29

though is in this so in the

32:31

second interrogation when he said that he

32:33

got caught because He got greedy. I

32:36

feel when he says that he got greedy

32:38

He might have been referring to putting body

32:40

parts down the toilet in order to clear

32:42

out the freezer Maybe to

32:44

make room for another body Maybe

32:47

he'd been escalating. I feel like Rory's body the

32:49

torso was found He kept the limbs and the

32:52

head and the freezer for X amount of time

32:55

and then in December for whatever reason Those

32:57

are flushing down the toilet. Mm-hmm. Yeah, why

32:59

why would he just decide to flush them? And

33:02

then his reasoning was because he was

33:04

getting greedy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

33:06

I noticed that's nasty Yeah, so what was he

33:08

what what does getting greedy mean? What does that

33:10

mean? Yeah? Yeah The police

33:13

came out and said if you know of

33:15

someone who's gone missing in downtown Oshawa in

33:17

the central core of Oshawa or Oshawa in

33:19

general in an area that Adam strong may

33:21

have frequented We would like to hear about

33:23

it Don't know if they

33:25

have but nothing has been announced of yet I

33:28

got a feeling this won't be the last to hear of Adam strong I'm

33:30

I'm sure he's being investigated for a

33:32

whole host of other cases missing and

33:35

murders I mean we kind

33:37

of just lost over it, but he did have

33:39

a homemade pipe bomb in his basement apartment, which

33:42

is like Yeah,

33:44

exactly. What was he gonna do with that? Nobody knows like we

33:46

found it. We don't know what he was going to do with

33:48

it But there you go. That

33:50

is a story of Adam strong They

33:53

said like Rory's a family come

33:55

from biker gang. So I just hope he's having a hard

33:57

time prison. Oh, exactly He's dead. That's what I have an

33:59

hour hard time and for isn't not where he wants

34:01

it yeah yeah yeah so that's

34:04

it pretty

34:08

gruesome story for you today folks but

34:11

you know what guess what next week we'll

34:13

have another one yeah thank you

34:15

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34:17

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34:19

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34:21

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34:50

all right Keith you want to sign off well

34:53

yeah nice very nice you can't beat

34:55

the good old see ya all right thanks so much

34:57

guys you've been great fight yeah

35:02

it's cool seeing all the movies of

35:04

happening that's cool the movie magic head

35:06

of the messages made behind the scenes

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and speaking of sausage all right