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the that chapter podcast. I'm joined once again

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week on the videos. I'm boring. I'm old

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we've built up a bit of a rapport, so I think

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I need to give him a name at this point. So,

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two names. Fart Juice. My

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daughter likes the name Salem. Did you say Fart

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Juice? Yes, I think it's great. What's

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the audience decide? How about we put it

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to a vote? I can put a poll

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attached to this episode on Spotify, and how

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about we give it two names, three names.

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one. And then we'll see what's your ones?

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like Philip. Dark Philip. Well,

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or Phil. Phil. Philly. Yeah, I like that, because he's

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a black cat. Black Philip is pretty good. I

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think you're good. All right, audience, what do you

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decide? Fart Juice, Philip, or

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Salem? Fart Juice. I like Fart

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Juice. I hope that wins. Yeah, me too.

2:49

All right, so today we are talking

2:51

about a modern true crime, merder le

2:53

mystery. This is actually a story I

2:55

covered on the channel, thatchapter.

2:58

youtube.com/thatchapter, give it a give.

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I covered it a while back. When I

3:06

say a while back, I mean... A couple of years. A couple of years, like

3:08

2020. We're

3:10

recording this at the end of 2023. It will go up in 2024. Four

3:14

years ago, I've made that video. Fucking hell,

3:16

where is my phone? I've been making videos

3:19

on YouTube since 2017, September 2017.

3:21

Look how far you've come, huh? Man, it's

3:23

wild. It's been a wild ride. Yeah. Well,

3:25

anyway, who cares? Moving

3:29

on, I don't like talking about myself, you know that. Let's

3:32

talk about something else. Let's talk about murderers. Yeah, let's

3:34

talk about that, it's much more interesting. So

3:37

this whole video... Fucking hell. Podcast,

3:40

I'm making the podcast, not a video. So

3:43

this whole podcast takes us to Knoxville,

3:45

Tennessee, Thanksgiving, and to the mighty year

3:48

of 2016. Thanksgiving,

3:51

have you ever celebrated Thanksgiving? You lived in Canada. Which

3:54

You very rarely bring up. Only like once or twice a year.

3:56

I Don't think I've ever brought up it. No, you don't like

3:58

mentioning it. Canadians have Thanksgiving, right? The do

4:00

it different to the. American Thanksgiving

4:02

yeah it's earlier. I think a What's

4:05

Thanksgiving is the twenty fourth old innovator

4:07

there and originally end of November oh

4:09

concert or that I think air. And

4:12

it is early November. I. Can't

4:14

remember the scene could hear them since. have been

4:16

cutting so think it's close. It always rains. Yeah,

4:19

Oh sorry supporters they November sorry Thanksgiving

4:21

in America falls on a forced to

4:23

as on Nov says usually yeah from

4:25

the twenty second two mikes twenty eight

4:27

not yet was the every summer it's

4:29

face similar to what we'd do here

4:31

Christmas I guess we have like yeah

4:33

like American I say me they're like

4:35

more same tests turkey ham get older

4:37

than me get get area board games

4:39

we like she's as to recruit with

4:41

my own family will Christmas We've had

4:43

the Bond board games and I have

4:45

really to me too much for thirty.

4:49

Years worried that you and your dad or

4:51

never know the whole family but I have

4:53

a mom my aunt and uncle the gordon

4:55

says or to minimize we we're we're day

4:57

we had been a story that is so

4:59

funny because he's he's a beard as very

5:01

very funny my government both hot air we

5:04

had the bonnet like on the years it

5:06

was banned and will only recently can start

5:08

bringing bring a bucket i gingerly to like

5:10

would seriously strict rules wow to like the

5:12

point where the has be like someone there

5:14

that's not playing like a referee with keep

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an eye makes you to know to wow

5:18

yeah. That's right, I don't know. Hundreds, if

5:20

not for any, pretty. Stories

5:23

like it is only worth is so stressful. Know

5:25

I honestly don't why we're doomed to results. Were

5:29

haven't found okay Rifle joy this

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as. stupid

5:41

as well as not even like hard games

5:43

are playing this game called thirty seconds later

5:46

know turns exocet it's a it's kagen so

5:48

you say where plainest so i pick a

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current on my card i have five things

5:52

and i to describe those five things to

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you what i'm saying gatchell word cases kind

5:57

of takes nary but without drawing it or

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never Yeah, it's like

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oh, it's it's a drink and

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when you drink it you get a little tipsy is Beer

6:08

beer exactly sauce one I like it put up. We

6:10

have 30 seconds to describe five of

6:12

these things Okay, so stupid games, but still

6:14

we have to have a camaraderie behind us

6:17

reading the card make sure we're not saying

6:19

Oh word in it. Yeah Wait

6:26

is your family good at it or bad at it? No, we're awful

6:28

at it. Oh Really

6:32

Like literally we're gonna be doing it now.

6:34

It was it the recording this mid-seminary now

6:36

So of 10 days gonna be right you're

6:38

very excited. I see I'm really excited have

6:41

a good fight. Yeah. Yeah Alright

6:46

so well here listen in Thanksgiving 2016 People

6:49

were as usual traveling across the

6:52

globe This is before Covid and all

6:54

that shit back in the good old days remember pre Covid

6:56

days god. I'm not by Covid for 2019 No,

6:58

it's like but yeah, but things still seem to be

7:00

getting worse In

7:04

2016 Thanksgiving fell on the 24th of

7:07

November That

7:09

was when the people of Knoxville, Tennessee They woke

7:11

up and they turned the ovens on to get

7:13

that turkey cook in the guy

7:15

family dinner preparations had started The

7:17

turkey was being prepared stuffed ready

7:19

for the oven the potatoes boil

7:21

the green be casserole cooked The

7:24

patriarch and meat shark of the

7:26

guy family were Lisa and Joel senior

7:29

and they were getting into their seniors Lisa

7:31

55 Papa Joel 61 Thanksgiving

7:35

they had their four children over

7:38

now Joel senior he had three daughters

7:40

from a previous marriage Candice Michelle and

7:42

Angela and Lisa and Joel senior

7:44

had a son together 28

7:46

year old Joel guy junior or as

7:49

the family called him Joel

7:51

Michael Of course with

7:53

the family being together finally after some

7:55

time apart the two parents the tree

7:57

sisters and young job It's not only

7:59

you love is of work that are

8:01

exchanged between one another. Sometimes it's topics

8:03

best discussed in person with the whole

8:05

family involved. It's a rare time to get

8:08

the gang together so it's time

8:10

to talk about the big issues if you can. And

8:13

this was the case with the Guy family. Lisa

8:15

and Joel Sr. had some news or their

8:17

four kids. They were going

8:19

to retail. Joel was

8:22

an engineering designer. Lisa, a full-time mother

8:24

who then, as her children grew, went

8:26

on to become an accounting administrator. So

8:29

they were both gonna pack those jobs in,

8:31

sell the family home, move

8:34

into Joel Sr.'s mother's house. His mother

8:36

passed away a few years before. Now

8:39

there seemed to be some agreement around

8:41

the Thanksgiving dinner table that that decision

8:43

was a good idea. The children were

8:45

all adults. The three daughters, they lived

8:48

in Tennessee. Their son, Joel Jr., he

8:50

lived in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. So,

8:52

happy out. A couple of killers come out

8:54

of Baton Rouge, hasn't there? I know you recently did one.

8:57

Sean Gillis? Sean Gillis. I recently covered

8:59

him in video form for the folks at home.

9:01

You should go to youtube.com forward slash.channel. Yeah,

9:03

I did. He's a real sick son of a bitch. The

9:05

sickest thing about him is that he, so he went there

9:07

and he killed a load of women. One of the women,

9:09

he cut off her hand and he took it home and

9:11

he used it as a... Oh god. Yeah,

9:14

one of those. Like sex toys. Yeah, he's

9:16

a really fucked up guy. But

9:18

yeah, there's a few killers. Louisiana. Hey,

9:21

listen. I'm not gonna say it,

9:23

but I think there's a few serial killers down there, my friends. I

9:26

think there's a, it's either a documentary

9:28

or a TV program, it's like Baton

9:30

Rouge, capital serial killer or serial killer

9:32

capital. Basically,

9:35

there was like three, apparently, killers within

9:37

the same time that killed like... Oh, that's

9:39

actually, that's Joel, or we're talking about Joel,

9:42

no, Sean Gillis. Yes, there was two other

9:44

serial killers while he was serial killing. Yeah,

9:46

none of them connected. Derek

9:48

Rodney, I think, and some other guy. But yeah,

9:50

they were like, they, in mind, they'd kill like

9:52

30 people or something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a

9:54

lot of people being killed. Mad.

9:56

You know what? There's people dying today that never died before.

9:59

Can you believe that? So the

10:01

family of holiday

10:03

passed in good spirits. In

10:25

fact they were already talking about spending the

10:27

Christmas holiday together. The daughter is

10:30

left on Friday, which was the 25th of

10:32

November, but Joel Jr., Joel Michael,

10:34

he decided to stay on for a little longer.

10:37

And then he also returned to his own home on the 27th. Back

10:41

in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It

10:45

was the next day, the 28th, that

10:48

the shit hit the phone. That

10:51

was a Monday, and Lisa failed to show

10:53

up for work. Her boss contacted

10:55

the police, says she could not get hold of Lisa

10:57

on the phone, she didn't call him sick, and these

11:00

are things Lisa would have done as a very

11:02

responsible person, so she wanted a welfare check done.

11:12

Police then arrived shortly to the guy

11:14

property to carry out this welfare check,

11:16

and one thing they did notice was

11:18

a for sale sign present in the

11:20

front garden. Also two cars

11:22

were parked at the house, and the lights

11:24

in the foyer was on. The

11:27

officers then went up to the front door of the house,

11:29

and they knocked on

11:31

the door, they rang the buzzer, but no

11:34

response to the house. Was

11:36

eerily quiet, yet as I said, it

11:39

seemed like the lights were on, but

11:41

nobody was home. The two officers then

11:43

called for a detective, as they had

11:45

a real suspicious feeling, and things

11:47

were looking off. They went to the

11:49

neighbors, and said, hey, what was the last time you seen the guys,

11:52

The literal guys? There was a Realtor sign, but

11:54

no realtor lock, or box, or anything, you know,

11:56

where they would keep the keys for when they're

11:58

doing house use. Who's. Rid

12:00

of not really adding a spigot see through

12:02

the windows and as an aid they could

12:05

see Grocery sig the Bears legacy bacon. Somebody

12:07

done some shopping to this up but of

12:09

the groceries or less that there. Including

12:11

stuff which is passionate like milk is left

12:13

out on the counter like still in the

12:15

shopping bags. They could tell the has was

12:17

warm inside. There's also a weird

12:19

smell coming from it, and a dog

12:22

was faintly barking somewhere from inside the

12:24

home. I think when they have

12:26

said when they make when he felt the window

12:28

things feel the heat emanating well and windowpane self

12:31

to that's area because windows are usually conical just

12:33

as her was Rosen said. The. Feeling

12:35

from the house was getting more and more

12:37

disturbing is a seconds ticked by and so.

12:41

We don't get inside. Eventually

12:43

did so when an officer pressed

12:45

the garish or opener and they

12:47

ventured in. And. Things you

12:49

know, see. just see if it's awesome

12:51

to think or whatever gruesome movie hand

12:54

and then like douglas. Is

12:56

the real horror show? It's real whorehouse yeah

12:58

has of hers. And as far as. It's

13:01

a house that lived murder see I

13:03

say are bringing about. This isn't the

13:06

editor. Of even is gonna give

13:08

it to get a hit. Straightaway

13:10

they could tell something was wrong.

13:13

As. The houses are entering the main

13:15

area of the has for it hall.

13:17

The first thing they noticed was their

13:20

seats. the temperature was extremely I am

13:22

douse it was roast psych the rides

13:24

the hearing the air to he tracks

13:26

us wherever they're using was on full

13:29

blast. It. Was also a

13:31

chemical odor emanating from that place.

13:34

There. Are random items on the dining area

13:36

for as they ventured fourth they sent

13:38

plastic bags bleach tells the dining table

13:40

had some items on a as well

13:43

including couple was one of long to

13:45

man one that belong to a one.

13:47

He. Was also money on the table,

13:49

cell phone and a summer. In.

13:52

The kitchen area the officers spend stove

13:54

and the oven were on turned up

13:56

to high seats. There. was also

13:58

a big pot on top of the stove.

14:00

It was bubbling, spilling, splashing

14:03

over. There was a

14:05

dog barking somewhere in the house. It sounded like

14:07

it was coming from an upstairs room. It literally

14:09

seemed like somebody had just been here. Walking around

14:11

the house, had done some shopping, was cooking food,

14:14

was getting the house nice and warm, and then

14:17

nothing though. The house was

14:19

creepily empty. It was eerie. There

14:22

was no sign of anyone around on the ground floor,

14:24

and so they proceeded up the stairs. On

14:27

the stairs were reddish brown stains.

14:30

Then on the landing, they stared

14:32

down the hall, and it was a long

14:34

hall. At the end of it, an open

14:36

door. There was blood on the ground and

14:38

on the walls, and at that

14:40

open door they could see hands. They

14:43

ventured down slowly and found that the hands

14:45

they saw were not attached to anything. The

14:49

officers then proceeded to clear the house, check

14:51

for people, people who would not

14:53

be there. There was no one. They could find no

14:55

one. They went into the master bedroom. The bed was

14:57

made. The bed was neat. The

14:59

chemical smell was really strong, and there

15:02

was an additional smell lingering in there as

15:04

well. Then they went

15:06

into the ensuite. Plastic

15:08

sheeting covered the floor. There

15:10

was a garden hose attached to the shower instead

15:13

of a normal shower head, and

15:15

a massive knife in the sink. On

15:18

the ground, in this

15:20

bathroom, were two large plastic

15:22

tubs next to each other. Inside

15:25

those tubs were the

15:28

dissolving remains of two

15:30

people. By

15:32

looking at the bodies, they assumed that

15:34

they were the remains of Lisa and

15:37

Joel Sr. The

15:39

house became quite the crime scene and

15:41

evidence, well, treasure trove I guess you

15:43

could say, because what had happened had

15:45

happened in every single room of the

15:47

house. At the back door

15:49

were unopened bin mags, tree bottles of

15:52

bleach, muriatic acid, baking soda. A sprayer

15:54

was beside. Guns and ammo were left

15:56

laid out on the dining table. Food

15:58

and groceries were out there. On

16:00

the staircase were piles of clothing that

16:02

had been cut up with a knife or scissors.

16:05

Beside was a bloodstained scissors and

16:07

a bloodstained knife. In fact there

16:10

was blood evidence just about dun

16:12

dun dun ellipses everywhere. As

16:15

well as knives and bleach, evidence of a cleanup

16:17

but not like a clean cleanup. As

16:19

if someone went out, bought a load of bleach,

16:21

baking soda, cleaning products, all that, but then took

16:24

one look at the mess they had made and

16:26

said, fuck that. The scene

16:28

was of such a state that whoever did

16:30

this, it wasn't like

16:32

they just wanted to kill Joel Sr

16:35

and Lisa, they wanted to annihilate them,

16:37

dissolve them, remove them from existence. It

16:40

took authorities two days to go through and

16:43

cover the entire crime scene. Once

16:45

done, the police had a pretty good idea

16:47

of what had happened in the home. It

16:50

was Joel Sr who had been attacked

16:52

first. Probably sometime late morning on Saturday,

16:55

the 26th of November, inside the gym

16:57

room of the house. He

16:59

had suffered dozens and dozens of sharp

17:01

force injuries when he was being murdered.

17:03

About 42 all together. It

17:06

was hard to determine the exact number

17:08

of stab wounds due to the dismemberment

17:10

process that took place post-mortem.

17:13

Though 34 cuts on his back showed

17:15

he had suffered them while he

17:17

was still alive. The medical examiner

17:19

at the trial was saying there was no pattern either

17:22

to like these 42 stab wounds on the back.

17:24

It was just like a frenzy

17:26

on the back and said at the

17:28

maximum depth of these stab wounds was

17:31

about six inches deep. Yeah, like some

17:33

power behind as well. Yeah, somebody's really

17:35

getting in there. He suffered injuries

17:38

to his lungs, his kidneys, his liver, his

17:40

ribs. He had multiple cuts on his hands,

17:42

defensive wounds. He tried to protect himself. He

17:44

was fighting for his life and

17:46

it was fight he lost. His hands

17:48

were removed from his body and were left

17:50

inside the gym where he had been attacked

17:52

poking at the door, a grisly

17:54

find for the police. Later

17:57

when during the trial, which we will

17:59

get him, was Then Lisa arrived home from

18:01

the store, and she was jumped as she came

18:04

in the front door. She

18:22

hadn't even chance to put the groceries away, and

18:24

she too was brutally slayed almost as soon as

18:26

she set foot inside her own home. She

18:29

suffered at least 25 sharp object wounds.

18:31

It was hard to determine how many there

18:34

were just to the level of decomposition and,

18:36

well, the dissolving process. She

18:39

had suffered injuries to her lungs, her left

18:42

kidney, her liver, to her spine, and well

18:45

so on and so forth. Just like Joel

18:47

Senior as well, the medical examiner determined that

18:49

all these stab wounds happened before her death

18:51

as well. It's like how angry do you

18:53

have to be though? I can't even imagine

18:55

what it must be like to do that to somebody else. You're

18:57

like, what the fuck must we go in 30

19:00

red? I know, yeah. Nothing. I

19:02

imagine it's just like nothing is going through these people's heads

19:04

when you're doing this shit, because there's no way they can

19:06

be thinking. I don't know. Being able to actually do what

19:08

they do, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just pure anger. Yeah.

19:11

Rage. That's it. Seen red.

19:14

Once both people were dead, the murderer started to carry

19:16

out the cleanup, which didn't only involve chemicals in mopping

19:18

up. Makeover. Joel

19:21

Senior's arms were removed at the shoulders.

19:24

His legs were removed at the hips, and his

19:26

right ankle was also separated from the rest of

19:28

his leg. His body parts were

19:30

then placed inside the chemical bath. Most

19:33

of his skin dissolved, except for the skin on his

19:35

back, as that would have been above

19:37

the broth. Yeah. The chemical bath,

19:39

it was a homemade acidic solution.

19:42

So this isn't like breaking bath.

19:44

Yeah, yeah. It's like,

19:46

ooh, this kind of chemical

19:48

pH balance, nerdy shit. Exactly. It's

19:51

like using the high hydrofluoric acid. Yeah.

19:54

It does. I think

19:56

that that will dissolve metal. But This was

19:58

a concoction of sewer liner cleaner. Baking

20:00

soda of liquid fired Rain cleaner lie

20:02

hydrogen peroxide as every fucking cleaning product

20:04

that exists it is I ah yes

20:07

road and aired I know there has

20:09

to strong acid use use for mean

20:11

eating plan toilet maybe you can clean

20:13

as goes. for

20:16

up with all the chemicals that the home

20:18

it was so like you mentioned that that

20:20

when he went the end of the strong

20:22

chemical smell boots the homemade in the so

20:24

hazardous that the their skins had were have

20:27

massive just processed crimes it just sounds dangerous

20:29

of severe as. Leases.

20:31

Arms are also removed that the shoulders her legs

20:33

are mood at the knees and are headed been

20:35

severed. Her. Body parts are placed

20:37

inside the other blue to help that

20:40

had been inside be ansi bathroom upstairs

20:42

inside the chemical bass. But.

20:44

And this is really gruesome murder stories.

20:47

Not her head. Her

20:50

head was found somewhere else in

20:52

the home. Forever. The pot

20:54

on the stove that was bubbling away. We.

20:57

Said guy's head had been simmering

20:59

in a pot of boiling water

21:01

for two. Days. Before

21:04

it was found. Which.

21:06

I. And

21:08

I covered story years ago

21:11

and I still vividly remember.

21:13

The. Past and the story is her miranda

21:15

i think was really on saddling is watching

21:17

the body cam footage police which you can

21:20

see your to that chapter procedure is yes

21:22

you can when i go to sorry the

21:24

case of job at junior to their biggest

21:26

served second original this is despite what the

21:29

days in all areas where they case of

21:31

the case us yeah we keep the all

21:33

the body com what is illness but when

21:36

the when they enter and walked through the

21:38

house and for the first time you can

21:40

see past am was the head isn't Adidas

21:42

walk by. Women with their unhappiness assume

21:44

it's just a pot and would the

21:46

oil enough? Pasa exactly I guess. And

21:49

to bali had a remind me little

21:51

bit over know Scottish circle of dense.

21:53

Nielsen's. And. boil

21:55

the has the harm than the sea

21:57

so was victims to remove slash as

21:59

wave bows and bodys so I

22:01

think he'd boil all these extremities and

22:03

then he'd like flush that down the toilet and then he'd like

22:06

bury or crush the schools and fuck her. But

22:08

yeah, messed up. Yeah!

22:11

After all this the police didn't waste

22:13

any time checking the CCTV of nearby

22:15

stores and what

22:17

did they see in one particular piece

22:19

of CCTV footage? Well a

22:21

guy walking in whose hands were

22:24

heavily bandaged almost like he'd been in a

22:26

fight maybe involving knives and he was a

22:28

bit of a bigger guy, a bit of

22:31

a few extra pounds. For those who

22:33

are maybe our H.P. Lovecraft fans at

22:35

home I think his stories are very

22:37

scary and cool and very atmospheric but

22:40

one of his stories is The Shadow Over Innsmouth

22:43

which is probably in my opinion his best story. It's

22:45

my favourite. And he talks about people who

22:47

have the Innsmouth look and essentially to

22:49

cut a long story short they're kind of like

22:51

half fish, half people. It's like

22:54

they have like droopy eyes, you know, fishy

22:56

eyes, their face is like very saggy. That's

22:58

kind of what he looked like and that

23:01

guy was Joel Guy Jr. Just

23:03

google him. It's a really good description. I

23:05

can see that. You can see it? Like just

23:07

google Joel Guy Jr. and tell me he doesn't

23:09

look kind of like a fish. Like he had

23:11

the Innsmouth look. He just has

23:13

this really weird, it's very hard

23:15

to explain but if you

23:18

know the description from that Lovecraft story it'll

23:20

match. On Tuesday

23:22

the 29th of November an arrest was

23:24

made all the way over in Baton

23:26

Rouge. The person being

23:28

charged with the first degree murders was no

23:30

one other than Joel Guy Jr. himself. Authorities

23:34

identified him as a suspect with

23:36

the aid of the Walmart security

23:38

video that appeared to show him

23:40

purchasing items located within the residence

23:42

that were apparently used in the

23:44

attempted destruction of the crime scene.

23:47

When they arrested him they found his hands

23:49

were covers in cuts and nicks. Inside

23:52

his car they also recovered a

23:55

meat grinder and a gasoline canister.

23:57

So what happened? The

24:00

turned out. Get. A different plan. Originally

24:02

then what he ended up doing

24:04

for police think that shooters injuries

24:06

as has been cut the shit.

24:08

Joe a junior decided to leave

24:10

the crime scene on finished on

24:12

Sunday Nov twenty seventh when he

24:15

left to go back to Baton

24:17

Rouge. Accompanied by the Baton Rouge.

24:19

On leftist Obama has totally irresponsible

24:21

that is very dangerous shall come

24:23

on. could burn as the his

24:26

I say why does. Know.

24:28

Joe had made quite a plan. I mean.

24:31

Which is satisfied and when you look at i'm the doesn't look for

24:33

the time ago. Plan. Things in fact

24:35

he wrote it all down vaguely that

24:37

a five page detailed scripts called the

24:39

bulk of pre mediation that was fans

24:41

says he lasted inside his back use

24:44

like the fucking worst killer. As last

24:46

all the shit he was like i'll

24:48

just leave it and hope that I

24:50

don't get legs would also leave the

24:53

book or detail and the do all

24:55

from me that there is less. All

24:57

the evidence is eggs yet of forty.

25:00

So. Here's like some excerpts from

25:02

Xbox Get Killing Nice Quite multiple

25:04

to make small pieces. Get.

25:06

Carving knife to make small pieces. Get

25:09

sledgehammer. Crush bones. Bring

25:11

blender and food. Grinder

25:13

Grind meets. Get. Bleach

25:16

denature proteins get plastic

25:18

bin for dini tracing

25:20

process. Does. Not matter where

25:22

they're kills. Just. Get rid of

25:24

bloody spots to prevent evidence of time of

25:26

death, not the mattress or catches. Get.

25:28

Rid of buddies inside the has

25:30

their and my dnase already Their.

25:33

Flesh. Chunks down to us,

25:35

not garbage disposal. He's

25:37

not alive to claim her half of the insurance

25:39

money. All. Nine Five

25:42

hundred thousand dollars for the

25:44

has covers up forensic evidence.

25:47

Turn. Cedar up as high as it goes. Dot

25:50

speeds decomposition. Bleach. Reacts

25:52

with luminol just like blood. So

25:54

dose area with fleets. Big

25:57

sprayer to do so. I

25:59

can we wrote. Them yeah we're both on down

26:01

to half assed leaves his and didn't do

26:03

half of the city actually said you were

26:06

barely that a mother I do. Pretty funny

26:08

how specific he got by saying get tipping

26:10

nice the be like accident grabbing a borderless

26:12

our yikes I owe our they decided as

26:14

Adam Lang mug i'm a diabetic yeah again

26:17

but in in the plans he initially wrote

26:19

down and to open the doggie door so

26:21

he would look like an intruder came in

26:23

and kill them as well as her were

26:25

retained mind about isn't easy to scribble that

26:28

I was as long as he was. Ever

26:30

as a glass and so is new Plan

26:32

was made look like the father had killed

26:34

the motor and and burn don't have a

26:36

hand has winter with gas cancer the Mri

26:39

hosts and the seemed like he was going

26:41

to use the water heater as well to

26:43

eat or start a fire or flood the

26:45

house he had pages those a water heaters

26:47

worth it has been Boston so he's going

26:49

to set has and fire and also flood

26:51

as the seems kind of like opposing theories

26:54

is one of my firewater he has Harrys

26:56

agreed I now.decadal and twisted sense this other

26:58

it. It's worth noting this wasn't. A plan

27:00

to he came whoop was just over Thanksgiving

27:02

so Lisa and Joe senior dade meant to

27:05

the fall me that there were thinking of

27:07

retiring in late October and this is Ashwin

27:09

Job Junior started collecting equipment for to murder

27:12

so we spent quite a bit of time

27:14

planning this job and it with with these

27:16

I guess for these types of family and

27:18

I live cases the perpetrator hot they have

27:21

a real sense of entitlement about them for

27:23

yeah they peered view to family members us

27:25

like their own property and this desire to

27:28

control the family your family finances is trend

27:30

dates. Day was against family in

27:32

the real violent and thanks anyway,

27:34

like murderously way Murderously My is

27:36

a. According to

27:38

family members and a friend of Joel Michael

27:41

Junior he had a friend Falcon out for

27:43

us. He was always an outsider who never

27:45

really got a what the family he never

27:47

made any effort to be to stay in

27:49

touch with his family enough it I guess

27:51

have some years his family thought the same

27:53

about him. Except. his dear mother

27:55

lisa should call him all the time

27:57

during school you're sending in money paying

28:00

for his accommodation, paying for his studies where

28:02

he was training to become a... classic

28:04

surgeon. Which is just fucking

28:07

totally bizarre. She would

28:09

keep his childhood toys, even though he was... How

28:11

old was he, Joel Guy Jr., by the way?

28:15

Yeah, he was 28 when he committed the murders. So

28:17

he was like old enough to not keep his

28:20

fucking childhood toys. Or at least, you know, not

28:22

kind of give a shit about him, I suppose,

28:24

at that point anymore. Joel

28:26

Guy Jr. pled not guilty to the

28:28

two first agreed murder charges that were

28:31

filed against him and he went on

28:33

trial in 2020. As

28:35

it turns out, Joel Jr.'s parents decided to

28:37

cut him off from his allowance. They wanted

28:40

to sell the house and retire, you know,

28:42

start posing in the money factory and I

28:44

guess Joel Jr., you know, they thought it

28:46

was finally time for him to stand on

28:48

his own two feet. And I guess he

28:50

thought very fucking differently. Honestly, it's about time

28:53

that they decided to cut him off. I

28:55

mean, he's 28. He was in

28:57

college, studying to become a... Yeah. He

28:59

had no interest in getting a job. He

29:02

was relying on his parents financially his whole

29:04

life. As you mentioned, you touched

29:06

on it. Not only did they pay for

29:09

his schooling, but his housing, food, car, textbooks,

29:11

sell everything. You pay for everything. Yeah. I'm

29:13

sure at the beginning, they, you know, didn't

29:15

mind giving Joel a hand, giving him some

29:18

bit of financial support. They

29:20

were pretty well off. They weren't rich, but

29:22

they were doing okay with themselves. I guess they

29:24

were hoping supporting Joel financially would, you

29:27

know, allow him to focus on the studies a bit more.

29:29

No, it doesn't say it. I've seen this done before and

29:31

it doesn't really work. People, a lot of them do doubt

29:33

that they just take it and it's like, and

29:35

it's used to even be fucking lazier. That's it.

29:37

It doesn't work and it didn't work. Joel took

29:40

the absolute piss. He started university in 2006, but

29:43

by 2016, 10 years later,

29:45

he still hadn't graduated. Yeah. So

29:47

at this point, his parents were, they were starting to feel the

29:50

financial burden. Yeah. Joel, all these

29:52

years and Joel was spending his parents money,

29:54

just hand over fist like it was his

29:56

own. At One point, Joel's mother was sending

29:58

her entire weekly paycheck. The really into

30:00

his video years and then to add

30:03

insult to injury, he dropped out university.

30:05

Something even greater dropped out when he

30:07

still expected them to fund his lifestyle.

30:09

His parents they would try, haven't these.

30:12

Com say to him about getting a job for

30:14

you. Just. Become. Enraged the and the

30:16

I he was used to you the with

30:18

a major yet as a day they should

30:21

cook com off a long time zone man

30:23

in the end of days as mess they

30:25

decide to force Jos hands they plan to

30:27

retire early and sell the house which as

30:29

we know he did not a to know

30:31

he was not not too keen on battle

30:33

plan or tf afraid. He

30:35

burned you. Commit murders for insurance

30:38

purposes. Lisa had a half million

30:40

dollar life insurance policy because my

30:43

parents search licensure. Instance: Your beauty.

30:45

That's. A

30:50

fight. The Betty I Target opens. It's like a

30:52

half million dollars. It is a lot of fucking

30:54

money. but it's not like you still get a

30:57

job you know then get out lights all I

30:59

live off of arrest You want to me alone

31:01

when it when I don't have a voice for

31:03

I yeah I get enough mean for him he's

31:05

he's never going to get a just not essential

31:07

for like when he a guy I agree you

31:09

get a house but as also easily get a

31:11

job of exactly what only to worthless. Yeah yeah

31:14

you could live off that for a couple years

31:16

and mean maybe like a decade if your research

31:18

and. His. Plan was to kill his

31:20

mother and make his dad disappear. The police

31:22

who blame them are honest that and be

31:24

looking for someone who would well have been

31:26

dissolved an asset. Bus. Job A

31:28

decision at both his parents had to be gone

31:30

for him to receive the entire amount of money.

31:33

He. Detailed his parents' assets or they had

31:35

and what he's hoping to get. He

31:38

asked for the death penalty if he was found guilty.

31:40

Which. He was. Still, Michael

31:42

was found guilty by the jury

31:44

on all seven counts. He.

31:47

Was sentenced to life in prison for

31:49

the two counts of first degree premeditated

31:51

murder, one count of felony murder for

31:53

killing we See Guy while committing first

31:55

degree murder of Joke I senior on

31:57

two counts of felony murder while committing

31:59

Sas. He. Was also charged

32:01

with an additional four years imprisonment

32:04

for the abuse of corpse charges.

32:07

Now. Course lawyers argued against consecutive sensing in

32:09

the additional four years. The defense said the

32:11

Joel Michael had no prior criminal history and

32:13

you'd been old ass manned by the time

32:16

of his release, meaning no danger to society

32:18

by that points. But the judge did not

32:20

buy this because I mean that the city

32:22

did a he had no family, I had

32:25

no trouble history yet he still does it

32:27

So I like During the trial though, like

32:29

when they were showing the images of the

32:31

house and bodies I guess him look analysis

32:33

his eyes open opens, he's a thing you

32:36

can join in a. Man reliving.

32:38

Yeah, exactly. He's got a real fucking this

32:40

arena spitzer the judge said. I don't think

32:42

his mind is going to change quite frankly.

32:45

I think if it was three hundred years,

32:47

it wouldn't be sufficient. I don't

32:49

see potential for rehabilitation for Mr.

32:51

Guy. I was watching him

32:53

during the trial. He showed absolutely

32:55

no remorse or despair overseeing what

32:57

he had done. Quite. Frankly

33:00

Mr. Guy, you look like you're

33:02

kind of proud of what you've

33:04

accomplished. You. Know initially Joe

33:06

he filed a motion to serve as zone

33:08

council and I will work well or has

33:10

a stated that he wanted to represent himself

33:13

so he could file a motion to receive

33:15

the death town the in him guilty which

33:17

I feel it's just attention seeking kind of

33:19

feel sorry for himself Behaviors I think so

33:22

because I mean even I'm so we mention

33:24

lights of a softer and frog or was

33:26

notices know literary they did not. Do.

33:28

Anything. They. Offered no evidence

33:31

to. Stop. like you'd

33:33

never know say there was no defense it all

33:35

three wasn't like when he requests bees on counts

33:37

of the judge he said he bought some good

33:39

legal reps and i use my guests and he

33:42

said he was still adam file his motion for

33:44

that found the if he reinstate his lawrence which

33:46

jones junior agree to post didn't i don't think

33:48

is made the difference him having more is there

33:51

left with where do or how useless the didn't

33:53

have a clear defensive all as said is laura

33:55

she tried his best to prove he was not

33:57

guilty he argued prosecutors did not get handwriting analysis

34:00

done for the five page plan they

34:02

found in Joel's backpack at

34:04

the crime scene in his room. Who

34:07

else? It could have been anybody you knew

34:09

that. Like I understand it was a reasonable

34:11

output like come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also

34:13

the victims were found murdered by the exact

34:15

same way as described in his plan.

34:18

And Joel Jr was seen on CCTV

34:20

buying the equipment mentioned in the plan.

34:22

Yeah. Also there were other books

34:24

found in the backpack which had Joel Jr's name

34:27

written on the inside. So it's not like it

34:29

was someone else's backpack. It clearly is a

34:31

backpack. You had a name written all

34:33

over the books. And then another thing

34:35

like putting aside the writing analysis. If

34:37

you look at the actual context of

34:39

what had been written, it says her

34:41

life insurance and I get the whole

34:43

thing. Yeah. Like why would anybody else

34:45

say that? His defense team also presented

34:47

a picture of Joel two days before

34:50

the murder which showed him smiling and

34:52

happy. And he basically said look how

34:54

happy it is. He's a smiling person.

34:56

How could he murder anyone? Exactly. Happy

34:58

people don't kill. Right. Exactly. All is

35:00

well that ends well. And he was found guilty

35:02

and sentenced to life in prison. So indeed he

35:04

was indeed he was. And even in

35:07

prison he threatened to send it. He gouged

35:09

his eyes out. And

35:11

that is the story of Joel

35:13

Guy Jettinjar. A real sick

35:15

piece of shit. But there you go. Yeah. Fuck him.

35:17

He didn't like him. I'm putting my leg in the

35:19

chair for the folks at home at the record show.

35:21

Putting my leg in the chair and chilling. Chilling like

35:23

a villain. Nice. Oh yeah. I guess

35:26

the moral of the story is trust no one.

35:28

Not even your family. But especially your family. Yeah.

35:30

Not even your family. But especially not your family.

35:33

So we want to talk about no geese. I don't know. Do you want to

35:35

watch movies? Oh I

35:37

got some recommendations thanks to um shit

35:39

sorry. Somebody's messaging me. Oh god damn

35:41

sorry. Oh on Patreon. That's who it

35:43

was. Sorry bear with me. They

35:46

were saying there's some good movies you and I should watch. While

35:51

you're looking up that. I don't know if this is new

35:53

news. It's new to me though. I know that Robert Edgars

35:55

is working on that new vampire movie. Oh

35:57

not the rottu. Yeah he's making one. Yeah yeah. We

38:00

went up on a Friday or a start, but usually

38:02

every Tuesday's is in Fridays. So yeah, um, but until

38:04

next ol' episode What are we gonna be talking about

38:06

in the next episode of the podcast Keith? We give

38:08

them a little sneaky, sneaky, big. We have a we've

38:10

a load of topics ready We've

38:13

got some crazy old-school murders return

38:16

to century. We've got some modern ones. I do enjoy the

38:18

old history ones I do I love the history ones because

38:20

they get there's so much field

38:23

to them There's some more stories like similar

38:25

to Joel Guy Jr. And Adam Strong like

38:27

ones I've covered on YouTube but

38:29

I've had updates. Yeah, we'll do a couple more modern ones

38:31

as well After they ones, I'm

38:33

not fucking talking about witches for a while. Let me show

38:35

you Until

38:40

next year, yeah, but you did get me a cool

38:42

Matthew Hopkins shirt, which I am very proud to wear

38:46

All right. Thanks so much for listening. Well, all right,

38:48

you've been great. Thanks You