0:00

Okay, that looks like my voice. Do you want to

0:02

talk into the microphone to see if it picks up

0:04

your voice? Can you hear me? Oh, I can see

0:06

it. I can see the lines go. Oh, there we

0:08

are. There we are. Yay. You can see those little

0:10

green lines. Hey you and welcome. My name is Mike

0:12

and here we are. We're back. Another episode of the

0:15

That Chapter podcast.

0:17

Mm-hmm. Very dark. Yeah. Yeah.

0:19

What's going on, Keith? What's going on? Gee, it's

0:21

been a while for the folks at home. We

0:23

don't know. We haven't recorded in... Three

0:25

weeks? Two weeks? It feels like a long time.

0:27

I feel like I'm rusty. I know. The

0:31

last episode we recorded was when we were in your spooky

0:33

attic, which for the people listening, it won't seem like any

0:35

time at all. It'll just be a week in a difference.

0:37

But for us, it was like three weeks ago. Yeah, that

0:39

was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed that. Good. Yeah,

0:41

we definitely did that again. It was really, really cool. Yeah,

0:44

yeah, yeah. I am excited to

0:46

see how the video turns out when I finish

0:48

editing it. I'm excited to see how it started

0:50

out. Yeah, you haven't seen any ghosts pop up

0:52

in the video? Not yet. I barely know. I

0:54

literally scanned through it. It looks fine. Oh, okay.

0:57

Cool. They'll edit it later. But you know, so

0:59

either it's turned out really well or

1:02

sorry. Yeah. Yeah. In theater or whatever.

1:06

So yeah, Keith, what's going on with you? Like

1:09

I said, last time I seen you was in your haunted house

1:12

in the spooky attic. I seen the names that

1:14

were carved above the thingy. Yeah. Any spooky tales

1:16

from your house though? Because

1:18

like I said, I haven't spoken to you in like three weeks. Yeah,

1:20

and I do have a spooky tale. Something

1:22

weird happened. And it was when I was like, it

1:25

wasn't that scary. But I can't explain it. Sure.

1:27

So I work from home. So I spend a

1:29

lot of time like on my own house. So

1:32

I was up, work from home. And my wife,

1:34

my daughter, they were gone. And I

1:36

have a wheelie chair that I work on. Just

1:38

like the chair you're on there. Right. Like an

1:40

office desk chair or whatever. Yeah, an office desk

1:42

chair. Yeah. And just working away, doing my thing.

1:45

And I felt very, my chair

1:47

was pulled backwards. Like

1:49

a very deliberate pullback. Not

1:52

fair, but it was definitely an aggressive kind of

1:55

talk backwards. Right. And it felt

1:57

like there was someone behind me that

1:59

has pulled my chair. back and I

2:01

kind of caught me. He was like, oh, that's for you.

2:03

No, it was weird. I thought it might've been like

2:06

the wind pushed a grown wind. Yeah.

2:09

I thought it might've been like maybe like a dip

2:11

in the floor or something that where like, you know,

2:13

your chair might have rolled in. It would have happened

2:15

before. That was the case. Exactly. I've been like, I've

2:17

been there for like a, we've been nearly a year

2:19

now. Yeah. And like my chair hasn't moved since I

2:21

tried to do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Dip on the

2:23

floor, move my chair around, but nothing

2:25

couldn't find it again. So it was definitely weird. I

2:27

thought it wasn't very scary. Like it was during the

2:29

day. Yeah. So it wasn't wild. It was more

2:31

of an inconvenience. Yeah. Like for fun's sake, you'd

2:33

be alone. Right in the middle of like writing

2:36

an email and it was rude more than anything.

2:38

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Very

2:40

strange. Yeah. Very strange. But yeah,

2:43

that's probably not, uh, no,

2:45

nothing else. That's probably the only, the

2:47

strangest thing that's happened since. But yeah,

2:49

I think he built it man. Cause yeah. Yeah.

2:52

No, uh, well as somebody who has been in your

2:54

haunted house, um, I didn't feel it was terribly haunted,

2:56

but then again, maybe in the dead of night, I'd

2:58

be doing something very different. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. The

3:00

middle of the night when they start moving around, like

3:02

it could have worse things than ghosts. Uh,

3:05

and I think it

3:07

keeps, yeah. Full of spiders. Yeah.

3:09

It's annoying. Yeah. Like if I

3:11

had to have a choice between ants and ghosts, I'd be

3:13

ghosts every time. At the end of the day, listen to

3:16

all the great content we're getting here. You know what I

3:18

mean? Yeah. You wouldn't record the listener episode in your attic

3:20

if your house wasn't haunted. In a

3:22

different world, I'd just be talking about ants the whole time. Exactly.

3:24

And that's interesting. I'm furiously shooting and I'm sure it

3:27

listens to you talk about that kind of shit. Yeah.

3:31

All right. Well, listen, let's stop, stop talking

3:33

about ants and start talking about today's topic.

3:35

Today's topic is the black

3:38

mass murder. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. That's

3:41

a fucking cool. It is. But then what

3:43

happened wasn't, but you know, yeah, it's definitely

3:45

also some ritualistic undertones to it. And it's

3:47

very heavy on the church and yeah. Oh,

3:50

all my favorite things that I like

3:52

to Talk about. So,

3:54

I mean, I mean, I Suppose

3:56

the context or the setting is

3:59

religious, but. It might get us there

4:01

are no idea he to I have my

4:03

religion he does concert it's all these other

4:05

nose is weird and where you're upset the

4:07

evil is worth more. it's more murder them

4:09

religious it is more merge into religion. Yeah

4:11

so ah yes that's as well. Here listening

4:13

sexy introduce it argues against as a kid

4:15

special he did they ever do research for

4:17

this topic so that's an interesting one. Yeah

4:20

them to the reopening of even to the

4:22

opening. yeah for folks it on were looking

4:24

at seats notes he's sitting across from me.

4:26

he's wearing a black hoodie hayes were yeah

4:28

t shirts which I gotta say on. This

4:30

is ah nice. Furiously staring

4:32

and very intense. Added are

4:35

tough right now. ominous. Okay,

4:38

so a priest and a non walk

4:40

into a chapel. The non stop the

4:42

death thirty one times and priests nearly

4:44

gets away with murder from worth twenty

4:46

years. To

4:49

be something money slow, this is not to

4:51

set up for some jokes. This is a

4:53

tragic story of how sister Margaret and was

4:55

murdered by Father Charles Robinson. And.

4:58

Had recently murdered she was indeed Keith. Wow

5:00

what am I couldn't have settled. better assess

5:02

assess. Ah so yet as a story of

5:04

religion satanic black magic six said a lot

5:07

of six said actually and a story so

5:09

a warning have get ready for as yeah

5:11

to the it's it's a doozy is is

5:13

it is he did you notice they're pretty

5:16

massive story so a Britain narrowly missed of

5:18

stories are are kind of ah forte I

5:20

guess I mean nothing at all. He will

5:22

ever top year Gerald Safer or ah what's

5:25

your man Bob Bird Ella Ella yeah to

5:27

Kansas City. Butcher guy still death me that sylar

5:29

as a very nice organs yeah I was I

5:31

to emmy me even my my yells as viewers

5:33

like a got a pretty dark says he were

5:35

and freddy vs so i had heard that's how

5:37

I deal with. Dark. Shit Six

5:40

Ed is kind of said to make jokes when it's

5:42

because I'm a steering or vi it's it's it's it's

5:44

it's easy to make a hard and phone and exactly

5:46

yeah said sense the lights wired make jokes. had asthma

5:48

that was different birch. Oh and as I I can't

5:51

even make a joke that this this is a was

5:53

gears and this was pretty gruesome. Soup it is him.

5:55

But. you know what i'll try modernists because hey

5:58

if making fun of something nuts Well,

6:00

when I wrote the script I laughed the whole way

6:02

through. Yeah, it really means everything. Alright, so let's give

6:05

it a go. Margaret

6:13

Ann Paul was born on April

6:15

6th, 1909 in Edgerton, Ohio. Her

6:19

parents were of German heritage and

6:21

devout churchgoers. Unlike most little

6:24

girls, Margaret Ann always wanted to

6:26

become a nun. Who wants

6:28

to be a nun? I don't

6:30

know. Did you guys make nuns these days? I

6:33

don't know. Yeah. Who wants to be a

6:35

nun? I was an altar boy before. Yes,

6:37

you were. You were, yes. You, indeed. I

6:39

see the trauma in your eyes. I

6:42

remember, yeah, I see patients. I think I'd

6:44

go to church sometimes. I had to go when I

6:46

was a kid and meet you there. Your little dress on

6:48

or whatever you call it. Yeah, I think

6:50

that's the name, a dress. Yeah, I believe it's like all of it.

6:52

It was great. I had a great time. Because

6:55

we went to Roman Catholic school. So

6:57

there was the option to on Tuesdays. If you

6:59

signed up to be an altar boy, you got

7:01

to do the Tuesday Mass. So

7:03

every Tuesday, we got out of school at like

7:05

10 o'clock and we didn't come back till about

7:07

12, by the time we finished up. Every

7:10

Tuesday morning for a year, I was off. I had

7:12

like a half day. I love how you say you're

7:14

off. You have to do shit in a church. So

7:16

it's not like you're at home. We could go back

7:18

home and play PlayStation. I'd

7:21

rather spend in a school than in a church. Especially

7:24

when you're like eight, seven, eight years old.

7:26

Yeah, but it was like, what was it?

7:28

Yeah, seven or eight. But

7:31

we'd leave school at like 10 and it

7:33

would take us like 15 minutes to

7:35

walk to church. We'd have a bit of a laugh in the

7:37

way. Then you get in. Just meeting the boys, you know, having

7:39

a laugh. You and the lads. You and the

7:41

pre- Me and the lads, yeah. And then the

7:43

mass was only half an hour. It was only

7:45

boys' time. The boys' group. Yeah,

7:47

just the fellows. I always wanted to ring that bell though.

7:49

I never... Did you get to try

7:52

the Holy Wine or whatever? I didn't. No, no. Do you

7:54

think... The Holy Wine is just wine, I think the priest's

7:56

Glasses. It's like holy water. It's kind of like-

7:58

It's just wine. Yeah. The really achieve shit

8:01

urging it's a good good quality good fish.

8:03

I don't know it's like Elizabeth when we

8:05

had we had poor and suppose always already

8:07

in south Boston cream. The grape juice know

8:09

who knows what is why a little yellow

8:11

is it was why you're alec is probably

8:13

like didn't get dry and yeah one time

8:15

there is I definitely schoolboys gmail school and

8:17

do they dumped google fiber's one timers like

8:19

to i'd there's a priests and he was

8:21

like it would have a drink from so

8:23

like new enough of the and will glug

8:25

glug like that said earlier at the same

8:28

manner they during ones that are even worse.

8:30

Going and Wales how Mr So back

8:32

to murdered and who always wanted to

8:34

become a non are likely influenced by

8:36

her two sisters who are Sisters of

8:38

Mercy or therefore I just answered i

8:41

could have read another sentence I would

8:43

onstad mother and her upbringing was very

8:45

humble. Her family had no ring, water,

8:47

electricity or indoor plumbing so she was

8:49

certainly well prepared for the simple religious

8:52

like he was the star for nothing.

8:54

You'll never be disappointed senses. And now.

8:56

Surprise. School. She spent a year at

8:59

a retreat center, working her way up

9:01

through the ranks mans like a military

9:03

the ship's first as a possible and

9:05

then as a novice So he or

9:07

she heard about religious life on the

9:09

Mercy Order. Following. That she

9:11

earned a bachelor of arts degree

9:13

from Toledo's the Sales College. Then.

9:15

Between Nineteen Thirty and Nineteen Thirty three,

9:18

she made her initial and final vows

9:20

during this time. As that wasn't enough,

9:22

she also started nurses training and got

9:24

her or and registered nurses degree. Sister.

9:27

Margaret and had a size he successful

9:29

career as a heady Mark has successful

9:31

in on for years. I don't see

9:34

god awful Marx glasses. Jesus said hey

9:36

look it's exactly are they all take

9:38

it looks like all the guards as.

9:42

She's holding several supervisory an

9:44

executive roles at various Mercy

9:46

Hospitals in Ohio. So.

9:49

As and now we're against you.

9:51

The crime of the sense. In.

9:54

Nineteen Seventy one sister martyred

9:56

and briefly.about retirements but instead

9:58

she to say. Take on

10:00

the responsibility of sacrifice them at

10:03

the chapel. Have Mercy Hospital. Unfortunately,

10:06

This is where she would eventually suffer

10:08

a violent and horrific death. With.

10:10

Quite a lot of links. To. Black

10:13

Mass and Satanism. New.

10:15

It's funny kind of us can like a spoiler about

10:17

will go he had as for it whereas reason i

10:19

was like out satan is angles bullshit and more you

10:21

get into you're like oh it's now it's a real

10:24

with area yeah yeah be by My youngest is trying

10:26

to destroy to be like as lord or something the

10:28

I know know so he went first. yeah this is

10:30

get to see ass. Yeah. Ah

10:32

this is our yeah get really does

10:35

the his. So on the morning of

10:37

April fifteen, nineteen Eighty V day before

10:39

Easter and also did a before her

10:42

birthday seventy one year old sister Margaret

10:44

and began her day in the wee

10:46

hours at five thirty am. She.

10:49

Would you her normal morning routine and

10:51

then got dressed in her traditional Sisters

10:53

of Mercy blue smoke dress and white

10:55

long sleeved bless which was a. Bit

10:58

of her out his as details as

11:00

probably be kept that exists or he

11:02

was so proud that China is. A

11:06

girl office Iraqis s laughing at

11:09

seventy five six. Seven.

11:12

Stressed, she headed down stairs to the

11:14

sisters dining area in the cafeteria for

11:16

a spotter breakfast and a bit of

11:18

a chat with the other nuns who

11:20

I assume we're all getting very excited

11:22

for some chocolate Easter eggs not an

11:24

unknown loves more and some good old

11:26

Sanctuary eggs down and over the top

11:28

themselves I soon as winter dogmas nameless

11:30

on are all of the other ones

11:32

that you can. He strikes at like

11:34

still yeah, no Armenia at every well

11:36

I ride never He was nice guy.

11:38

I. Always wanted this to this is a good

11:40

can do not to be kinda rags on

11:42

the kinda big toys always wanted a book

11:45

never got it was a though is it

11:47

was to have to loss for us he

11:49

was bounces so never gonna now use a

11:51

fully grown man you did not denying yourself

11:53

about of my daughter rent for for for

11:55

diseases only I guess I'm like lived through

11:57

her new obe me owner eighty yards very

11:59

it though. big side of the trailer. So

12:01

at 6.50am, I feel like a

12:03

year-year to steal from her, but I got you

12:05

for me. At around

12:08

6.50am, after finishing her brekkie, she picked

12:10

up some cleaning clothes and a container

12:12

of incense from the supply closet and

12:14

headed to the sacristy in the chapel.

12:16

For those of you who don't know,

12:18

and I actually didn't until I had

12:20

read this right before, a sacristy is a

12:22

room in the church where the priest prepares

12:25

for service and it also contains religious things

12:27

like the chalice, the altar linens, holy oils,

12:29

it's essentially as he says, the locker room

12:31

where the priest warms up the old canon,

12:33

you know, for the mass. Out of the

12:36

back, doing stretches. Lumbering

12:38

up. Yeah. Or more of the boy.

12:40

Me, me, me, me. Sister Margaret

12:43

Anne entered the sacristy at

12:45

around 7am, but little

12:47

did anyone know, this would be the last

12:49

time we would see her, anyone would see

12:51

her alive. Good

12:54

reaction. 45

12:56

minutes later, Sister Madeleine Murray, the

12:58

chapel's organist, arrived to say her

13:00

morning prayers before preparing the music

13:03

and helping Sister Margaret Anne for

13:05

the evening, the later evening mass

13:07

service. After chatting with

13:09

the big old guy up in the sky,

13:11

she strolled over to the organ and she

13:13

started flipping through her sheet music. But

13:16

Sister Madeleine Murray wasn't sure about

13:18

a particular song for this particular

13:20

service, she figured it was best to check

13:22

with the priest. So she headed

13:24

to the sacristy to give him a ring.

13:27

However, upon entering the poorly

13:29

lit sacristy, she spotted what she

13:31

initially mistook for a sepure dummy

13:34

on the floor. While

13:36

it wasn't unusual for Mercy Hospital to have one, it

13:38

would be completely out of place

13:42

to find one in the chapel's sacristy.

13:45

On closer to her absolute horror,

13:47

she quickly realized that this was

13:50

the corpse of Sister

13:52

Margaret Anne. As

13:54

Sister Madeleine Murray's eyes adjusted to the light,

13:56

she was able to take more of the

13:59

crime scene in. Sister. Margaret

14:01

and face was completely swollen. There was a

14:03

mark of blood on her forehead. The.

14:05

Nuns habit was pulled of near her breasts. Center

14:07

underwear had been pulled down to her ankles. The

14:10

body was positioned so that the arms were down

14:12

by her sides and her legs are straight and

14:14

close together. It appeared that the body

14:17

had been had been posed as as some

14:19

hot of cement, a ritual. After

14:21

she overcame her initial shock, Sister

14:23

Madeline Marie ran out of the

14:25

sacristy screaming that Sister Margaret and

14:27

had been raped and murdered. Shortly.

14:30

After be Toledo Police Department received a

14:32

call at around eight thirty am and

14:35

several detectives and and evidence technician arrived

14:37

at Mercy Hospital to conduct their investigation

14:39

and process the crime scene. The.

14:42

Autopsy concluded that because.

14:44

Of. Death. Was. Thirty one

14:46

stab wounds to the left side

14:49

of the face next and chests,

14:51

and there was also evidence of

14:53

strangulation. Which. Is like that Sam Harris

14:55

and Or Marks or try and Eat I'm

14:58

I'm trying to kill some way. A

15:00

days had passed by the police were they were

15:02

unable to find any substantial evidence as to who

15:04

could have to be done. This. No. Fingerprints:

15:06

No footprints know fibers, hair I had

15:09

no around Murder weapon was found at

15:11

the scene. However, The. One

15:13

thing the police were convinced was at

15:15

the victim new her killer. They believe

15:17

that a stranger would not have killed

15:19

sister in such a violent manner. There.

15:22

Was no signs of a robbery gone wrong and

15:24

there was no evidence of mail penetration. Ears So

15:26

she hadn't actually been sexually assaulted was as may

15:28

talk that way. This type of

15:30

crime muslim performed by somebody who had a

15:33

very strong vendetta against the victim and even

15:35

the place the Moroccan in the sacristy likes

15:37

to eat mostly wouldn't even think of. Going.

15:39

In there it's and very secluded place I go

15:41

there is such a vicious crime is not like

15:44

they really they said aims to the farm the

15:46

indeed it it's that he owed it is though

15:48

they did. Then. Came at

15:50

break the case. See. One of

15:53

the housekeepers told detectives about a

15:55

heated argument she had witnessed between

15:57

Sister Margaret on our victim. And.

16:00

Father Gerald Robinson on Good

16:03

Friday which was the day

16:05

before. She. Was killed. This.

16:08

Was a turning point in the case

16:10

and detectives set out to question. Father.

16:13

Geralds Robinson the he is what like fought

16:15

for Robinson and he was that the Aca

16:17

suspicious and on the more and as bottled

16:19

at Ces your opinion on say it gets

16:21

atheism were dumped guess yeah to us via

16:24

he was left me a console because at

16:26

the time when d lion with sounded does

16:28

she was murdered like everyone does came running

16:30

get it was like an alarm was sent

16:32

off it was at our own also and

16:34

uses a open his room. Them were

16:37

that like of the heat's killer as will

16:39

find out and then you just went back

16:41

room with there were like twenty calm down

16:43

the moon base the like after a while

16:45

of trying to get the finally came down

16:47

cause of twenty everlast rights as well. yeah

16:49

I mean it's own so she was killed

16:51

in like this is an Order of Mercy

16:54

hospital but they also live there the Nguyen

16:56

Free Cell so live like on the hospital

16:58

Brennan's years as going to live on campus

17:00

of yeah okay so okay so it's kind

17:02

like a university college campus play at Layers

17:04

they all lived there is a as. Black

17:06

as he this was an earth is garlic

17:09

garlic tubes. He was guilty of the muffins

17:11

Albert know is that se sounds like bit

17:13

as soon as he said yeah Huge fan

17:15

of the whole like wow no real suspects

17:17

me if I don't give a shit about

17:20

do anything. For.

17:22

That yet? So I guess who

17:24

was fodder? Gerald Robinson. So.

17:26

Journal Rubs And he was born on

17:28

April fourteenth, nineteen Thirty Eight in Toledo,

17:31

Toledo, Ohio does raise me. His motor

17:33

had immigrated from Poland and his father

17:35

was German descent. From. Son attended

17:38

St. Mary's Properties High School as

17:40

a prestigious institution known for training

17:42

Polish American boys aspiring to com

17:44

Catholic priests. the schools mission

17:46

statement was to provide deserving human the

17:48

moral guidance discipline and education necessary to

17:50

become christian gentlemen scholars and men of

17:52

serves and leadership for the world who

17:55

so yeah i guess why as it

17:57

gets say rumson he was sick that

17:59

day After

18:02

high school, Robinson studied at SS Cyril

18:04

and Methodist Seminary for four years and

18:06

was ordained a priest in 1964. Robinson

18:10

was often described as having a moody

18:13

introverted and unpredictable nature. Which is aka

18:15

he's a bit of a dickhead. Yeah,

18:18

even you'd expect of a priest. Yeah,

18:20

moody introverted, unpredictable, like one thing you

18:22

want for the person who's supposed to

18:25

be there for the parish or whatever. The media and the sex,

18:27

like, ehh. So

18:30

there were also a few instances of

18:32

sudden transfers from one parish to another

18:34

and a couple of unexplained emotions which

18:36

always raises a few eyebrows when the

18:38

Catholic Church does this. Yes, the

18:40

old emotion, when he was an obstacle. Well,

18:42

let's move them around. Yeah. So

18:44

between 1968 and 1978 he faced accusations of ritual abuse involving two girls. One

18:52

of these girls, she came forward in

18:54

2003 but unfortunately there wasn't enough evidence

18:56

to substantiate the claim. There was

18:59

also reports suggesting that he was a member of

19:01

a group connected to another ritual abuse of a

19:03

female. Its members called themselves

19:05

the Sisters of Assumed Mary. Or some.

19:08

They were priests who did what they

19:10

called Nun Drag. They would

19:12

dress up in nuns' clothing and give each

19:14

other nuns' names. They'll come up

19:16

a little later in the case. Yeah. Because

19:18

I feel like it needs a bit more explanation. But

19:20

yeah, it's been- We'll come back to that because right now

19:22

it sounds like Sisters of Assumed Mary, just

19:24

like over there having a bit of fun, they're dressing as

19:26

nuns and calling each other like nuns'

19:29

names. It's like, oh no, they did a lot more

19:31

than that. They were like, this wasn't just like a

19:33

little hanging out. No, no. Doing a little bit of

19:35

dress up. This is the- they were into some sick

19:37

ass- It's got some very, very dark ones at all

19:39

to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, this

19:41

is- fuck that. This is like really funny. Ah, anyway,

19:46

it was simply moving on. So the

19:48

chain of events leading to Sister Margaret Ann's

19:50

murder began on April 4th, 1980, when she

19:55

had a disagreement with Father Robinson.

19:57

On Good Friday, Father Robinson conducted mass- the

20:00

chapel with sister Margaret Anne among

20:02

the small congregation. For reasons

20:04

unknown, Father Robinson decided to shorten

20:06

the service without consulting anyone else,

20:09

and this upset Sister Margaret

20:11

Anne who couldn't project him about it. That service

20:13

was way too short. It's like, it had to

20:15

be at least two hours long. It really, really

20:18

pissed her off. She felt like they were like

20:20

depriving God of like, I think like Easter is, I

20:22

could be wrong saying this, but I think it's like,

20:25

higher than Christmas for like priests and nuns and people

20:27

willing to really, because it's when Jesus comes back from

20:29

the dead. Yeah. So I guess it's probably the most

20:32

important, it's like the big, it's like the Super Bowl.

20:34

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly like that. Yeah,

20:36

Super Bowl for, I don't know, maybe all

20:38

Christians, maybe just God, I don't know. I

20:41

don't, I literally know nothing about religion. I'm not, I'm not

20:43

sure. Like I was a North boy, I'm not too sure.

20:45

But I know, I like Christmas because I got presents. Yeah,

20:47

that's all I can share. I think maybe

20:49

like the vote Christians, Easter could be up there, the

20:51

top, the tip of the top. Hey, listen, Easter eggs,

20:54

that does give it a nudge. So

20:56

anyway, Sister Margaret Anne was really pissed off that

20:58

he kind of frickin sped through service and she

21:00

wasn't having it. She was not having it at

21:03

all. And this wasn't the first

21:05

time the two had clashed over administrative and

21:07

religious matters. On this occasion,

21:09

Sister Margaret Anne berated him, Father

21:11

Robinson, he remained silent, staring at

21:14

her with disdain before walking off.

21:16

Robinson, see, this is one of them fellas that

21:18

didn't like being told what to do, especially not

21:21

by a woman, especially not by a bitch. He

21:23

did not like that. So that was the final

21:26

straw. Honestly, to go to the

21:28

chase, that's literally it. That's why he murdered

21:30

her because she just kind of started shouting at

21:33

him. There's nothing else to it. Because he did,

21:35

he speed ran a church service. Yeah, he

21:37

just didn't like someone. She was old and

21:39

but she had left a target and she

21:41

didn't like him talk. And she was like,

21:43

she was like a typical nun. She like

21:45

she was very she was very devout, but she was

21:47

very strict. She was just very nice

21:50

and pleasant, but extremely strict. And like these are the

21:52

rules. You follow the rules and you don't deviate off

21:54

the rules. So that's why she really settled into this

21:56

like administration role within this actually like really

21:58

suited her down to the ground. Like if you

22:00

went off script, she fucking hated it. She, she

22:02

at the head off you. Not something he was

22:04

used to either. Yeah. All right. So

22:07

Robinson, he was seething with anger after that, after

22:09

his latest confrontation with Sister Margaret Anne, and he

22:11

was just fed up with her, as you said,

22:13

her behavior, her bullshit. So he planned

22:15

a hatchery, he hatched a plan together. Robinson

22:18

was familiar with the routine. So at

22:21

around 7 a.m. on April 5th, he

22:23

quietly entered the chapel, knowing Sister Margaret

22:25

Anne would be alone. He

22:28

picked up a long white cloth near the

22:30

altar and silently crept into

22:32

the sacristy. There, he

22:34

snuck up behind Sister Margaret Anne, wrapped

22:36

the cloth around her neck and began

22:38

to pull and twist it. In

22:41

the process, he broke the bone

22:43

in her neck. If

22:45

there's a word I can't pronounce, I'll skip it. He

22:48

weighed the bone in her neck. Okay. High

22:50

weight bone. And caused the

22:53

blood vessels in her eyes and face to

22:55

burst. He then laid her

22:57

lifeless body on the floor, covered

22:59

her with the altar cloth, and

23:01

placed an upside down crucifix over

23:03

her heart, using it as a

23:06

guide for what was to come. He

23:08

took out a letter opener he had brought with

23:10

him and stabbed it into her body around the

23:12

edges of the crucifix. Essentially

23:15

he was tracing a bloody crucifix over

23:17

her body. But he wanted to get it right.

23:19

Yeah. Yeah. He then

23:22

stabbed her repeatedly in the face, neck, and

23:24

chest, a total of 31 times. And

23:27

finally, in an act of blasphemy and

23:29

humiliation, he pulled up her habit over

23:31

her bra, pulled her underweight down, spread

23:33

her legs, and well, with

23:35

the same crucifix he used as a stabbing template,

23:38

he, you know, yeah,

23:40

yeah. You know where this comes.

23:43

After he was done, he straightened her legs,

23:45

straightened her arms out by her side, and

23:47

positioned her bloody and partially naked body, hoping

23:49

it would be seen as a ritualistic message

23:51

to honor. Satan, who

23:53

in last horrible detail to all of

23:56

this was that Robinson was actually the

23:58

priest that presided over. sister,

24:00

murdered, and funeral. Really,

24:03

really fucking dark. And there's parts where

24:05

I was wondering if he was literally

24:07

doing this just to make it seem

24:09

like it was ritualistic, but then he

24:11

went really far with it. Instead

24:14

of just making it look like it, he went ahead and did

24:16

it. Yeah, it's like, you're not... No,

24:19

this isn't a fake assembly of it. This

24:21

is actually... This is an act of actual

24:23

ritualistic. Hell yeah, you know, yeah, he made

24:25

it all... I mean, you're

24:27

literally murdering a person. I'm just

24:29

thinking that seems pretty devilish, delightfully

24:31

devilish. So it's definitely one reoccurring

24:33

theme in this case is how ritualistic

24:35

it was. The Black

24:38

Mass is like the ultimate ceremony

24:40

for a true Satanist aiming to

24:42

gain magical powers. It's

24:44

a blasphemous ritual where a nude woman

24:46

serves as an altar with her vagina

24:48

acting as the sanctuary or sacred space.

24:50

All good so far. Yeah, I'm done.

24:54

Typically a real host or sometimes

24:56

a crucifix is stolen from a

24:58

Catholic church and inserted into the

25:00

woman while participants they chant distorted

25:02

prayers mixed with obscenities, curses against

25:05

Jesus and praise Satan. The

25:07

whole thing usually ends with the fake priest getting

25:09

it on with the altar or the woman. Hell

25:12

yeah. So the Black Mass is like

25:14

a mix of pagan beliefs using the

25:16

Mass for personal gain, especially in the

25:18

bedroom, and making fun of Christian rituals.

25:21

It's like a twisted version of Catholic

25:23

Mass and often involves stuff like torture

25:26

and sacrifice. It's basically you take Christian

25:28

Mass and completely reverse it. Do the

25:30

opposite. It's worth keeping in

25:32

mind that there are two kinds of Satanists. So

25:35

first you've got the ones who are all

25:37

about Satan. They believe he actually exists and

25:40

sacrificing animals and even kids to win

25:42

his favor. They're all about the Black

25:44

Mass action and this is like their main event. Then

25:47

you've got the other crew. They're like, nah, Satan's

25:49

just a symbol. And They seem

25:51

more of the representation of all our

25:53

human cravings and desires. So Instead of

25:55

sacrificing animals and stuff, they just go

25:57

out there and indulge in all sorts

25:59

of things. The and and pleasure and now

26:01

like Odds of Spacey got they'd The hardcore

26:03

believers are one side and folks who see

26:05

say no more more of a mascot for

26:07

bad behavior and yet we have. She visited

26:09

this a timetable when we're without and or

26:12

not but you but I had a long

26:14

time and the that he seemed to fall

26:16

into the latter category. Yeah

26:18

could cover cheesy as a salamander. Black Mass

26:20

area access to the limit is a lot

26:22

of Fsf as well as this recording to

26:24

own up to assess air but there is

26:26

to the also to Church of Satan those

26:28

sound by and Tom the. They in the

26:31

nineteen sixties which is separate from this

26:33

a telling temple yeah I get confused

26:35

between all his ship sites yeah and

26:37

will business the church of satan so

26:40

they do believe in magic of em

26:42

book and wanting the also believe his

26:44

men who enjoy blue cheese and dressing

26:46

or homosexual. Or had aids

26:49

is is weird like did did the top

26:51

process clean via what's the top of this

26:53

find it so it's of it's so spread

26:55

gotten so if you like. Blue.

26:57

Cheese Dressing It basing your dates

26:59

yes as because of it's got

27:02

a similar odor to two decks

27:04

jock straps but a job serves

27:06

as well. So you enjoy that

27:08

smell. you enjoyed. you enjoy. Seven

27:10

o'clock when we just as they say oh

27:13

say that they'd be tougher.logic You know they

27:15

like attorneys hulu that the turret same has

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a while view split. that's as I give

27:19

us. Just as ago was a dip on

27:22

the Ssd. Come in here with smelly have

27:24

received the i hope you will shed dusted

27:26

and though it's you like blue cheese if

27:28

you've learned so much that I assessed a.

27:32

So. Thanks to the person who

27:34

witnessed the altercation between Father Gerald Robinson

27:36

and sister Margaret and day before the

27:39

murder the breeze word now onto Robinson

27:41

have been told of are still little

27:43

fire Rooney bed has. Two. Weeks

27:45

after the murders detective search Robinson's

27:48

room at Mercy Hospital where they

27:50

showed a dagger type, a letter

27:52

opener and his desk drawer. Be.

27:54

Shape of a dagger matched the description

27:56

of the murder weapon provided by The

27:58

Corner. It. Sorry,

28:01

I was going to say like- Did you inter-fucking- I

28:04

told you about enjoying my keys. And

28:07

eating blue cheese at the same time, I dare you. My

28:11

wife loves when you say that on the podcast. It

28:13

does that thing. Did you interrupt me again? It

28:16

cracks up every time. I

28:18

was just going to say that the murder rate is

28:20

really distinct. It's like if you

28:23

kind of picture a pirate sword, it's like

28:25

curved. So yeah, yeah, so it was pretty

28:27

easy to kind of match up. Okay, cool.

28:31

So the weapon though, unfortunately, it had

28:33

been cleaned, not just a little bit,

28:36

clean thoroughly, my friends. However, using a

28:38

chemical to test for blood, they

28:40

did manage to find one small spot at

28:42

the base of the blade. So

28:44

Robinson was brought in for questioning by the

28:47

cops. During the interrogation,

28:49

it came as no surprise to the detectives

28:51

that Robinson, he denied committing the murder. He

28:53

didn't commit the murder. Can you believe this

28:55

fucking asshole denied it? Fucking

28:57

balls on the skin. However, what was

28:59

surprising was his claim that he knew

29:01

who done it. Who done did it.

29:04

Ooh. He stated that

29:06

Sister Margaret Ann's mirror confessed

29:08

to him during a confession.

29:11

He did the whole, you know, if he confessed your sins,

29:13

get out of the jail free card. This

29:16

was a shocking revelation as

29:18

Robinson had violated one of

29:20

the Catholic Church's cardinal rules.

29:22

A priest must never disclose

29:24

anything about a confession, and

29:26

such a violation is punishable

29:28

by automatic excommunication, like medieval

29:30

stuff. But is there not such a

29:32

thing? You know, it's like it with

29:34

therapists and psychiatrists and all that shit. It's like

29:36

it's a doctor-patient confidentiality, but if you talk about

29:39

something illegal, they have to say to the police.

29:41

Do priests have the same kind of like obligation

29:43

to the law? No, that's what I thought, and I looked

29:45

it up after. Oh, they don't? No,

29:47

if you go to the priest and say you

29:49

murder someone, they'll push you towards, go to

29:51

the police. Yeah, they're trying to get you

29:53

to confess, but proper confess not just because

29:56

of the court's Folks,

30:00

you got something on your mind, don't go to

30:02

the guffs to go do a free. You can

30:04

get off your mind and they won't tell anyone.

30:06

Great! Well this guy did stuff. Oh yeah. Or

30:08

did he? Oooooooh! Ba-dum-ba-dum.

30:12

So yeah, man, excommunication,

30:15

that sounds like medieval. Like

30:17

Crusader. That's shit to whack. What does

30:19

excommunication mean? You just can't go to church anymore? You're like bands. You're

30:23

out here. Don't go back. I thought

30:25

it'd be something cooler. Anyway. It'd be

30:27

cool if you had a whole like, two-year-old. Yeah, like a whole thing. Yeah. Which

30:30

like, you know, everyone has robes and like, pitchforks

30:32

and fire. Ow. Ow! I

30:35

heard that's it. You

30:37

just got excommunicated right

30:39

there, my friend. So

30:43

the police, obviously very eager to find out

30:45

more details about this mystery man who confessed

30:47

that they pressed Robinson for more details. Who's

30:49

the one who done did it? However,

30:51

under the pressure of his own lie, Robinson

30:54

vomited into his own hands and admitted he

30:56

just made up the story because he was

30:58

exhausted and just wanted to go home. By

31:01

the end of the interrogation, the

31:03

police noted in their reports, Truthfulness

31:05

could not be verified. Deception was

31:07

indicated on relevant questions concerning the

31:09

murder of Sister Margaret Anne. I

31:12

love that they just let him go. They're like, all right, well. Yeah. Yeah.

31:16

Like, he's so guilty. I

31:18

was like, oh, yeah, who? So

31:23

it seemed like the police had got Robinson cornered

31:25

and it was only a matter of time before

31:27

he got tangled up in his own lies and

31:29

they managed to get a confession out of him.

31:31

After all, the priest, he had motive, he had

31:33

opportunity and he had means. However,

31:36

weeks would turn into months and

31:39

the priest was never charged after

31:41

police cited insufficient evidence. Eventually

31:44

after two years, the case

31:46

went cold. There was a

31:48

lot of speculation about a possible coverup

31:50

during the investigation to protect the sanctity

31:53

of the church because if there's one thing

31:55

we know about the Catholic Church they are

31:57

very honest people who will never cover a

31:59

horrific. done by their own. And

32:01

of course the police chief, a devout Catholic,

32:03

was of course also going to cover... Did

32:06

you ever see that movie Spotlight? No, I

32:08

haven't. It's very good, but the Boston Globe

32:10

expose of all the Catholic Church crowns in

32:12

Boston. Oh cool. Essentially it's the same shit.

32:14

Right, okay cool. So the police

32:16

chief, who was very religious, he publicly

32:18

asserted that priests and nuns were next

32:20

to God, and apparently there was pressure

32:23

to not charge Gerald Robinson. In fact,

32:25

during Father Robinson's interrogation, the police chief,

32:27

along with a representative of the diocese,

32:30

of Toledo, and an attorney for Mercy

32:32

Hospital, they all intervened. After

32:34

spending 10 minutes with the priest, they

32:36

escorted Robinson out of the building, which

32:38

is literally a scene in Spotlight, where

32:40

the priest, like they come in and

32:43

escort... Let's walk them out. Leaving the

32:45

two interrogating detectives just standing there, wondering what

32:47

the hell, where they were taking their prime

32:49

suspect. And so, after

32:51

the case went cold, it would

32:54

take another 25 years before it

32:56

would heat back up again. Father

32:59

Robinson, in the meantime, resumed his

33:01

duties at Mercy Hospital. I

33:03

think that's the crazy thing, the whole thing, where he just like,

33:05

kept on doing, in the same area.

33:07

Yeah, go back to the sacristy, where he brutally

33:09

murdered a woman. Yeah, and like, there was rumors

33:12

floating around, because people had suspicions. Oh yeah, yeah.

33:14

They'd kind of knew, but no one could be

33:16

done like... So, the reopening

33:18

of Sister Margaret Ann's homicide investigation

33:21

didn't start with DNA findings

33:23

or even a tip. It began

33:25

with a separate claim against the Toledo

33:27

Catholic Diocese, unrelated to the nuns' death,

33:30

but which also implicated Father

33:32

Gerald Robinson. So, the Catholic Church

33:34

had come under fire in the early 2000s

33:36

over rampant claims of abuse at the hands

33:39

of priests. Among these claims was

33:41

a 41-year-old woman who wrote a letter to

33:43

the Toledo Diocese in 2003, saying

33:46

that she had been subjected to ritualized

33:48

sex acts by members of the clergy

33:50

from the city. Her request was

33:52

simple. She wanted the diocese to pay more

33:55

than $50,000 in counselling costs she incurred as

33:57

an alleged victim of clerical sex abuse. She

34:00

said that she'd been a victim of ritualistic sexual

34:02

abuse by a group of priests. She claimed that

34:04

they gathered in church basements and Rhetories

34:07

in cult-like ceremonies where children were

34:09

molested in order to watch other

34:11

youngsters being abused. Wow, that's so

34:14

freaky. You know what's insane about

34:16

all this shit is

34:18

that like that's literally the kind of

34:20

stuff people accuse like Satanists are doing.

34:22

Oh no, yeah, yeah. It's like this

34:24

kind of stuff like evil secret societies

34:26

and like common pizza or like molesting

34:28

kids. And it's like no the church

34:30

was doing like literally things that it's wild.

34:32

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. So

34:35

it's believed that this group they call themselves

34:37

the sisters of assumed Mary. So here we're

34:39

talking about earlier on the ones who dressed

34:41

up in non-drag. In her letter which was

34:43

later passed to the police the woman named

34:46

Father Gerald Robinson as one of her abusers.

34:48

Police they were unable to link any ritual

34:50

abuse to Father Robinson. However, it was enough

34:52

to reopen the murder case for sister, Mike.

34:54

Yeah. So after

34:56

the case was reopened the first

34:59

step was to examine the stored

35:01

evidence. Two items in particular

35:03

caught their attention. The dagger

35:05

letter opener and the altar cloth

35:07

with a significant blood stain. One

35:11

of the primary challenges in reopening

35:13

the case was the disappearance of

35:15

some Toledo Police Department reports related

35:18

to Father Robinson, which as you

35:21

can imagine further raised suspicions of

35:23

a cover-up that some reports just

35:25

magically managed. The forensics

35:27

and crime scene unit determined that

35:29

the blood stain on the altar

35:31

cloth, a transfer pattern, matched the

35:33

curve and shape of the tip

35:35

of the letter opener's blade. Additionally,

35:38

they found other consistencies between parts of

35:40

the letter opener, blood stains and puncture

35:42

holes in the altar cloth. And

35:45

so on May 20th, 2004, the

35:48

remains of sister Margaret Ann were also

35:50

exhumed and went through a second autopsy.

35:53

The pathologist overseeing this stated that

35:55

in her opinion the weapon in

35:57

question, a dagger letter opener, caused

36:00

the stab wounds. After

36:02

conducting numerous interviews and forensic analyses,

36:04

Father Robinson was arrested on an

36:07

aggravated murder charge on April 23rd,

36:11

2004, almost 24 years to the day

36:14

after the crime occurred. While

36:17

Father Robinson was being led away, a brief

36:19

search of his home was conducted, revealing

36:21

a large cardboard box in his

36:23

bedroom containing hundreds of photographs of

36:26

corpses in coffins dating

36:29

back over several years. Why was

36:31

he taking pictures of dead people?

36:33

That's fucked up. Yeah, yeah. In

36:35

his bookcase, detectives also found a

36:38

book entitled The Occult, which was

36:40

published before the murder.

36:43

The book contained several underlined parts, his

36:45

favorite past, that they

36:47

memorized, including one passage in

36:49

particular that sent a shiver down the

36:52

detectives spines. It dealt

36:54

with a black mass in which

36:56

an innocence becomes an altar while

36:58

torture, sexual abuse, and even murder

37:01

are used for satanic empowerment. This

37:03

is literally a priest who's a

37:05

hardcore sadist. Yeah, this is wild. Yeah,

37:07

yeah, I tried to find a book. I couldn't find

37:09

it. Damn, I want to read that shit. It's really

37:11

hard to find these occult books. Damn. Yeah, you have

37:14

to go to those wink wink book stories. Mmm. Where

37:16

are you? I know, I have no idea. The

37:19

Toledo Diocese is no longer seen to

37:21

have Robinson's back, banning him from priestly

37:23

duties and refusing to cover his legal

37:25

costs after his arrest. But the

37:28

news of a beloved priest facing jail

37:30

that shook Toledo, the city of Toledo,

37:32

like a storm. And his

37:34

loyal followers rallied to raise

37:36

the $200,000

37:38

bail and chip in for his legal fees.

37:40

I mean, it's like you think that if

37:42

the church itself, the Diocese, doesn't have his

37:45

back, he's probably definitely done something wrong, no

37:47

matter how religious you are. Yeah, you know.

37:49

But hey, listen, these people decided to chip

37:52

in their fun books and they

37:54

got fucked. The

37:57

trial lasted at three weeks and featured a total

37:59

of 31 witnesses, with

38:01

Turdi testifying for the prosecution and

38:03

11 for the defence. During

38:06

the prosecution's opening statement, they informed the

38:08

panel that they wouldn't be presenting a

38:11

motive. Instead, they aimed

38:13

to prove that a sword-shaped letter

38:15

opener belonging to the defendant, Gerald

38:17

Robinson, was used in Sister Margaret

38:20

Ann's brutal murder. They

38:22

also emphasised that the Defend Ant

38:24

had repeatedly lied during the investigation,

38:27

stating, Father Robinson denied ever having a key

38:29

to the secrecy, which obviously even sounds bullshit

38:31

because he was the priest. Of course he

38:33

would have a key to the secrecy. He

38:36

even claimed that someone else had confessed to doing

38:39

the killing, and when pressed on the matter, he

38:41

admitted, no, that he made it up, that wasn't

38:43

true at all. The prosecutor

38:45

laid out the crimes details in

38:47

a thorough, professional and scientific manner,

38:49

while Father Robinson, now 68 years

38:51

of age, in his priest's collar,

38:54

remained unemotional. One

38:56

of the first witnesses called by the prosecution

38:58

was 79-year-old Sister Phyllis Ann.

39:02

She was one of the first to find the

39:04

body, and was asked to describe her first impression.

39:07

The nun said, quote, The horror! I think it

39:09

was the weirdness of it and that she needed

39:12

to be saved. And then the

39:14

afterthought, why the ritualistic kind of layout of a

39:16

dead body? She continued on, saying,

39:18

I remember its position was so neat and

39:21

so different. I told him it was ritualistic.

39:24

He was lying in the center of the floor, and I

39:26

saw no blood. If I remember correctly,

39:28

her arms were straight, her legs were straight,

39:30

and all her clothes from probably her brassiere,

39:32

all the way down, rolled down to her

39:34

feet. People don't usually die very straight. Terry

39:37

Cosenau of the Toledo Police Department's

39:39

Scientific Investigations Unit was also brought

39:41

in to testify. During

39:43

his two-hour testimony, he put on a

39:46

visual show for the jury, bringing out

39:48

the 10-foot-long bloodstained altar cloth, and encouraged

39:50

members of the jury to have a

39:52

cue yourself. Take a walk

39:54

around as well, he described. In detail, the

39:57

pattern of the numerous stab holes, kind of

39:59

like a macabre. Guided tool hmm

40:02

he explained that there were nine holes

40:04

which took the shape of an inverted

40:06

cross He said not only did

40:08

it fit the form of a cross the symmetry

40:10

and precision of it would suggest to me that

40:13

something was Used as a template to stab around

40:15

it missed him when he laid out the class It was like there

40:18

was like 18 holes and he's like but then

40:20

when we fold it over it makes a cross

40:26

That's good, that's good showman. Oh, yeah It

40:29

was quite the end of the day. Yeah Deputy

40:31

coroner dr. Diane Scala Barnett

40:33

was next to testify for

40:35

the prosecution She

40:37

was the successor to the pathologist

40:39

who and originally conducted the victims

40:42

Autopsy and she had seven thousand

40:44

autopsies in her own career under about so she

40:46

was she was really long and a tooth when

40:48

it comes to the Elle Autops

40:51

or any she knew she was an indeed she did she

40:54

told the jury that sister Margaret and had probably

40:56

been choked from behind with cloth Material because of

40:58

the nuns necklace and cross so you know that

41:00

had made an impression on our skin the

41:03

impression This is kind of I don't

41:05

know ironic So the impression

41:07

from sister Margaret and necklace You

41:10

know it was so tight against her neck that

41:12

it embedded in her own skin and the impression

41:14

from the necklace in her skin Read

41:17

I am a Catholic. Please call a priest That's

41:20

like the darkest. Yeah, well, I read I was

41:22

like that can't be real, but it's why so

41:24

dark well You

41:27

I have nothing to say that's just

41:29

insane you couldn't write this shit The

41:32

doctor went on to describe the autopsy

41:34

of the victims remains in 2004 after

41:36

they exhumed the body She said believe it

41:38

or not 24 years later You can

41:40

still see many of the stab wounds in the actual

41:43

skin and soft tissue She continued on

41:45

to say that the letter opener belonging to the

41:47

priest was a perfect fit for the stab wounds

41:49

on the victim Her conclusion was

41:51

that this weapon the letter opener caused

41:53

these injuries or a weapon exactly like

41:55

this Finally father

41:58

Jeffrey grub associate of

42:00

Vicar for the archdiocese of Chicago

42:02

and an expert in exorcism and

42:04

other Catholic rituals. I can't even

42:06

speak I'm so excited. He sounds

42:08

like a superhero. He talked

42:10

to the stand to testify. When the

42:12

prosecution asked him to point out some of

42:14

the ritualistic aspects of the crime he said,

42:18

Where does one begin? Oh,

42:20

where do I start? Yeah. This is like

42:22

pretty hardcore. This should be a, this is

42:24

like the exorcist. Yeah, yeah.

42:26

These are one of those movies.

42:29

Those Catholic superhero movies. They're like

42:31

conjuring or something. He

42:33

mentioned how, according to the church, a nun

42:35

is seen as a virgin married to God.

42:38

Leaving sister market and naked, the

42:40

killer was, in essence, defiling the

42:42

bride of Christ. He went

42:45

on to explain that messing with what's

42:47

holy and pure is a common thing in

42:49

satanic worship. You take innocence and you

42:51

destroy it or you mock it. Regarding

42:53

the upside down cross, Rob clarified that

42:55

it's used in satanic ceremonies as a

42:58

way to disrespect what's sacred. He

43:00

also speculated that the bloody semicircle

43:03

on the nun's forehead could

43:05

indicate that the murderer performed a

43:07

twisted version of the Catholic sacrament

43:09

of last rites. Wow.

43:12

It's a reversal, he said. Normally what

43:14

should be a good Catholic person going

43:16

to meet God, getting anointed, it's now

43:18

all of a sudden mocked. She

43:20

is anointed with her own blood. The old sweet guru.

43:23

The defense brought in just 11 witnesses,

43:26

mostly ex-cops from the 80s. It

43:29

was actually a move that the prosecution had been

43:31

counting on strategically. Later, the prosecution

43:33

clarified, we felt that if we didn't call

43:35

them, the defense would, and that would give

43:38

us an advantage. For when I call a

43:40

witness, I can only use direct questioning and

43:42

not any leading questions, but if they call

43:44

a witness when I cross-examine them, I can

43:47

use leading questions. Yeah,

43:49

but I mean, the whole trial was pretty

43:51

circumstantial, though. It was all based on the

43:53

knife, and he's not the only

43:55

person with that kind of letter opener. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn't have

43:58

any DNA. Yeah,

44:00

so there's a pretty circumstantial case built against

44:02

them for something that was like 25 years

44:04

ago In

44:19

closing arguments the prosecution used another tactical

44:22

strategy by downplaying the idea that the

44:24

nun was killed as an offering of

44:26

human Sacrifice to Satan as this may

44:29

have been a hard pill for some

44:31

jurors to swallow They said quote is

44:33

this some kind of satanic cult killing?

44:35

No, is this some ritualistic black mass?

44:38

No, sorry to disappoint This

44:41

case is about perhaps the most common

44:43

scenario There is for a homicide a

44:45

man got very angry at a woman and

44:48

the woman died The only

44:50

thing that is different is that the man wore

44:52

a white collar and the woman wore a

44:54

hat They then went on

44:56

to state that the inverted cross exposing

44:58

the nun the apparent anointing on her

45:01

forehead with blood It was all a

45:03

bastardized version of the last rites as

45:05

a way to degrade her Specifically to

45:07

mock her to humiliate her down

45:09

to the lowest point you possibly could it wasn't

45:11

really about religion It was about her specifically it

45:14

took the jury only six and a half

45:16

hours of deliberation to find father Robinson Guilty

45:19

marking the first time in American history

45:21

that a Catholic priest was convicted of

45:23

murdering a nun Robinson was

45:25

sentenced to a mandatory term of 15

45:28

years to life in prison Despite

45:31

numerous court filings highlighting the lack of evidence against

45:33

him for this murder and there is a lot

45:35

it is a circumstantial case Gerald

45:38

Robinson has never been granted an appeal

45:40

and eight years after being sentenced and

45:42

convicted He died in July

45:44

2014 after suffering a

45:46

heart attack after being moved to

45:48

an Ohio Corrections Hospital Now was

45:50

the heart attack caused by Satan?

45:53

Mmm. That's a question which we may never know

45:55

the answer to but I say yes Yes, that

45:58

ends with me So

46:00

I guess throughout this podcast episode you may have

46:03

been listening and thinking to yourself I've

46:05

heard a very similar story to this before

46:07

and you'd be correct. It's good for you

46:10

There's a documentary on Netflix called the

46:12

Keepers which has striking similarities to this

46:14

case boat slain nuns decades

46:16

of unanswered questions Allegations of cover-up

46:18

by authorities in the staunch Catholic

46:20

community and a priest at the

46:22

center of it all However in

46:24

in the case of the Keepers

46:26

and father a Joseph Moscow No

46:28

sexual abuse nor murder charges were

46:30

ever brought against him a judge He

46:32

refused to reopen the case years later

46:34

since the statute of limitations had passed

46:36

and Moscow Passaway in 2001

46:39

there are the number of allegations

46:41

against father at Moscow. Sorry, Matt, Matt,

46:43

Matt, Matt scale This

46:49

guy yeah He

46:51

was removed from the priestly ministry in

46:53

Baltimore in 1994 However,

46:55

the archdiocese they continued to provide

46:58

financial support to Moscow right up

47:00

until his death I so

47:02

the Keepers I tried to watch it on Netflix

47:04

and I think I made it like two episodes

47:06

and I turned off It's just literally

47:08

like people and I was then

47:10

sexually abused here and then I was sexually abused

47:12

here and then he did it And then they

47:15

did it together. I was like I couldn't watch

47:17

it I don't know where

47:19

like I've got a cover isn't funny When

47:23

it comes to like obviously true crime is like

47:25

what I do for like my life But I

47:27

when it comes to that kind of shit, I

47:29

just can't yeah, I just can't watch it. It's

47:31

just fucked up No, I agree. That's it. It's

47:33

too heavy. Yeah, it's really heavy So I never

47:35

finished with the Keepers because it was way too

47:37

fucking dark So

47:40

spoiler alert father Maskel's in

47:42

it I don't need to

47:44

watch it. So yeah,

47:46

listen that is the mystery of the black mass

47:49

murder Which wasn't actually a black mass murder, but

47:51

I'm calling the episode black mass murder because it

47:53

sounds fucking cool If you click down you click

47:55

probably click on it because of that black mass

47:57

murder So,

48:02

yeah, also, Keith, you did all the research for

48:04

this, but I would say that

48:06

you want to give a shout out

48:08

to the book Shocking Cases from Dr.

48:10

Henry Lee's Forensic Files, written by Dr.

48:12

Henry Lee himself, which you

48:14

claim was an excellent resource. Yeah, great

48:17

resource, great read, and definitely give it

48:19

a go. Give it a go. All

48:22

right. Well, you know what? I couldn't

48:24

have said it better myself. Listen, folks, thanks so much

48:26

for listening. I hope you enjoyed this whole episode of

48:28

the That Trevor podcast. Things got pretty heavy, a

48:30

bit of a religious. Maybe we should go have a bit of

48:32

a pray. We didn't pray together. Yeah. We

48:35

all go have a pray, eat some blue cheese. Have

48:37

a good time. But,

48:42

yeah, here, listen, you know, guys,

48:44

you know the drill. New episode

48:46

of the That Trevor podcast is

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48:51

please check it out. And check out

48:53

the videos on the That Trevor channel are

48:56

out every Tuesday and almost every Friday.

48:58

Keith, you want to give your final, show

49:00

your final thought at the wall? See you

49:03

next week. It's definitely a wild story. I

49:06

hope that the Sister Act franchise comes out with a third

49:08

movie based on this story. I

49:10

always felt that the Sister Act movies needed

49:13

more undertones of satanic ritualistic

49:15

being. Yeah, I agree. Fully

49:17

agree. Fully agree. Whoopi Goldberg

49:19

gets beaten to death exactly in the third one.

49:22

But then the old thing about it is cool. Yeah, they're having

49:25

a good time. All right, here,

49:27

listen. Let it there. Later. Oh,

49:33

I think I'm saying the kids say yes. We're

49:35

done with this. Yeah. Yeah. What

49:38

else do you think? I don't know. No,

49:40

cap. No, cap. For real. For

49:43

real. Yeah. No. This

49:46

is exactly what I mean. I don't know. I

49:48

don't know anybody below the age of like 30 bucks.