0:13

whoa whoa whoa marry

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half of miss that's

0:19

that's all i got well

0:22

as well you better how wins on

0:24

okay let's take this from the top other give

0:26

me time to actually come up with something like

0:29

i say anything like that on here where

0:32

did you to enter as giving him and and are

0:35

we had so much extra time i assumed you're

0:37

spending that finding the real second

0:39

q that mean

0:42

ah no i'm nice i'm really nice

0:44

everybody says that and so by

0:46

says how

0:49

could those people figure out what

0:57

i don't added you

0:59

don't have it i

1:03

now know

1:07

apparently out i have a christmas one

1:10

as a christmas what we don't have

1:12

a christmas what there's a play the christmas

1:14

one of okay on

1:19

maybe i am mean i could be right oh

1:24

boy well it's

1:27

that there are no

1:42

i haven't i've

1:45

never heard this in my life i

1:48

had no idea he handles his task

1:50

them out again he has his ama

1:52

uses craig's guess that we owe

1:54

him so much money okay

1:57

words the show it's fine

1:59

it's fine that's fine as a bad

2:02

show off the bat because it's gonna get

2:04

real real good you know why isn't

2:07

habits here what's up kevin and

2:09

and to do today under do it as

2:11

i watched you eat a burger king

2:13

burger night inspired me to go on get one arm

2:17

the same one yeah i didn't eat

2:19

it though what the fuck

2:23

okay right okay yeah yeah

2:25

that they will you any of that are more

2:28

the guy like the delivery driver dropped it and

2:30

it was raining outside and like it all right now aren't

2:32

you were me i'd go out and everything i was just

2:34

like get yeah nevermind a sign on

2:36

asshole that guy sucks guess

2:39

he ruined the show to

2:41

get an eraser me i didn't

2:43

know we

2:44

got gays and race around a

2:47

i know yeah report back or

2:49

next guess is someone who loves race

2:51

or roni

2:52

and oh boy he's gonna

2:54

make the show so good in ways that

2:56

kevin would have if he didn't forget

2:59

her he's

3:01

a director or writer

3:03

he's an amazing voice

3:06

actor worry that amazing director an amazing

3:08

writers well like i did a me somewhat

3:10

would be the order of amazing with the most

3:12

amazing to lease amazing

3:15

well i don't know how

3:17

to rain or grade

3:20

direction if that makes sense so

3:22

i feel like that gets like an axe or

3:24

a variable because you

3:27

you could be great and i don't see

3:29

any could be bad and i don't see like i i

3:31

don't know but

3:33

i think of you is more of a director you

3:35

know and so that counts for something but

3:37

our

3:38

our thank you well i'd yeah i prefer

3:41

to be

3:42

credited as a director them

3:45

and anything other than you are writing

3:47

that i have to

3:48

my lives in the last five years

3:51

i've awesome which

3:52

i also oh god

3:54

yeah yeah i've also been doing

3:57

more writing miller have really only

3:59

what like during the movie tv

4:02

fan or a animated stuff mostly i got

4:04

some pilot serve working on i have

4:06

no groups of writing

4:08

partners i guess i have a writing partner

4:11

named bill hands stock he's been on the shall

4:13

we gotta get him back every summer ring of up his

4:15

and we gotta get back on the shelf and

4:17

we wrote some stuff and i

4:19

have another these are two guys

4:23

that we develop something that's technically

4:26

still in development it's been in development

4:28

hell for long time and

4:31

i were writing a pilot entire

4:35

thing i probably should talk about like literally any

4:37

of these projects but whatever so

4:39

yeah the to kind of

4:41

things i got gone on out on are you know i still

4:44

can't write but the

4:46

have a lot of ideas you

4:48

know well let's good as

4:50

dead and it's

4:53

better than no ideas

4:56

shore rising i think

4:58

i have a good a facts

5:01

on the okay guy iowa

5:03

i didn't have a good effect on writing

5:05

like i think i'd be good in a room but

5:07

when it's just me when the script that's

5:09

when things really fall apart if that makes sense

5:11

i mean what is your what is it is making

5:13

you not read

5:16

ah

5:18

don't want to be no game yeah

5:21

that the that work well the every right to

5:24

think about it is what does it make you feel

5:26

better every writer hates right in

5:28

arizona where don't want

5:31

some

5:31

don't

5:32

think you are i'm talks of eating when

5:34

you hear people interviews they're like you know

5:36

i hear that everybody says there they don't

5:38

like writing but you know at idea i mean maybe

5:40

those people are lying like they're just rang and

5:42

i feel like i think i feel

5:44

like a

5:46

real writer

5:48

is

5:50

does not like

5:54

writing the they they like having

5:56

written they like can

5:58

we have of the ideas is see the actual like

6:02

putting it up tearing it apart

6:04

putting it up again tearing it apart and putting

6:07

up again and tearing it apart it

6:09

sets his lot like drawing comic books

6:11

on the making comic books

6:14

is so painful the day

6:16

to day drudgery of drawing

6:18

at those soon as it's done i'm like i

6:20

got to do this again i love

6:22

this is is great and vinegar oh yeah that's

6:24

right i hate this but it's like giving

6:26

birth you now but i would

6:28

say a beer thing is i

6:30

don't wanna do it

6:32

i don't want to do it either but you

6:34

have do because spencer

6:36

you've got a great mind you've got great

6:38

ideas you get a very

6:41

i'm

6:43

like a very original personality

6:45

i wanna i wanna read

6:48

a spencer script a

6:50

feature script mostly it out because

6:53

i like movies more than t v but shore

6:55

of i think you

6:58

definitely should be doing that something

7:00

that i figured bigger just because your dungeon master

7:03

isn't that the a dungeon master is

7:06

a writer a dungeon master create

7:08

worlds and characters and and

7:10

obstacles and heroes

7:13

and allies and enemies and stuff

7:15

when you're leading to

7:17

a ah a

7:19

pic of you know a midpoint you're leading

7:21

to i'm of of like if

7:24

you're doing your job right would say no you do

7:27

you love your a big it's climax

7:29

so i think you

7:32

will kind of stories you want to tell

7:34

animated stuff yeah

7:36

but that's like saying i want to do something and color

7:39

by new tennis star on our

7:42

okay great what kind of stories

7:44

you want to tell by muslim

7:46

like fantasy stuff lying around by

7:48

the get i would i would love to see

7:51

you do like a

7:53

medieval

7:54

but and through you you know like

7:56

do just take one of your your

7:59

camp in and turned it into a story

8:02

when my campaigns are bad as things and good dungeon

8:04

missouri the stuff i'm good at does remaining

8:06

me and my writing or the i don't necessarily

8:09

critical ago because i a

8:11

lab and humbler different things re i mean

8:13

and to i'll take go you can be an unfair

8:15

and you might be a contrary ended that

8:18

like against everything that i've said so

8:20

far that's true yeah

8:23

that could be at

8:25

have that's a big part of it he as but

8:27

i'm trying to encourage you because i'm a fan

8:30

base here if

8:33

you wanna make excuses for not doing at you

8:35

you're gonna win every time i know

8:37

i know but it's so great to work with writing

8:40

partners mcgill than they do

8:42

you know night way right a

8:45

more than half the work

8:47

smoothly the work at all i do and i went

8:49

out but i i think you either

8:52

you're calling is a writer

8:55

to be a solo writer to

8:57

come out as is that like spencer

9:00

and what bob

9:03

bob whatever his hand law hand

9:05

holders

9:06

stadio a hand stockman

9:09

bought of ramadan either you don't need

9:11

you don't need that i don't think that everybody

9:13

goes a lot of people got our partner

9:15

because the but i mean there's a whole bunch of

9:18

other problems would writing partners

9:21

there's a guy i know but there's a lot

9:23

of bad and it to and i think the thing

9:27

as a fan i want to see your

9:30

so story

9:31

told

9:33

v of we say and they are you derby

9:35

know what you did no one's pressing you to do and i'm

9:37

just saying is a fan i think

9:39

a lot of people would love to see

9:41

what you is in your head

9:44

sure yeah no in the abstract

9:46

i i i definitely agree but

9:51

we we found the

9:53

halloween themed presents fewer

9:56

knowledge is a highly of encouragement

9:58

i was a are you like

10:00

i think that arguing is less productive

10:02

than arguing about whether or

10:05

not i think i'd like to

10:08

your savior of a fan of something that

10:10

i don't haven't don't like

10:12

said sleds like i'm a see it like the

10:14

i have a right i you haven't seen a thing

10:16

i've written like okay you're not a i

10:18

am i'm a fan of you

10:21

i that's what i'm saying is like when

10:23

i look at people's rights

10:25

when i when i interviewed riders and stuff

10:27

like that when i when when i'm if it's

10:30

up to me to decide who i work with

10:32

ago do they have a personality do they

10:34

have a voice do they have

10:36

a point of view that i like

10:40

that i enjoy or relate let his

10:42

late to and that's you should

10:45

you can argue against that you could convince

10:47

me that i do

10:54

during the lenses his son uses a busy

10:56

the not a fan of us hello

11:01

and welcome to that happens

11:04

is spooky time pod so

11:06

i'm your host seven

11:09

nights of

11:11

her now okay i

11:14

reckon names you

11:16

know it's like off as a day halloween

11:19

is essentially opposite day and that you don't

11:21

farm normal he's fast

11:23

people for can do not know as ten you

11:26

are with the finger ah

11:28

i don't i ever peter stress injury on both

11:31

my index fingers so from

11:33

i wanted i don't know why i think

11:35

it's from being on my phone but why the thing that helps

11:37

is wearing the splint it's not broken or

11:39

anything but i

11:41

am so for listeners i'm wearing a plan on

11:43

my right index finger bomb i'm video

11:45

is mirrored so well known looks like previous

11:49

ah no worries saying sorry

11:52

i just trying to be encouraging but year

11:54

to their the there's an aggressive

11:58

ah resistance do it some

11:59

happening

12:01

right now i appreciate that

12:03

yeah i know i don't know i like a i

12:06

agree that working with a partner has

12:08

it's shortcomings but i think that's a big

12:10

reason why writers work

12:12

with partners and then eventually

12:15

they move on to do their own stuff in as

12:17

because in the beginning it's more of a value

12:19

proposition to in the is

12:21

better know that the given take

12:23

is worth anyway as a good i had when i

12:25

when i harm it and i were partners

12:28

it was very much like what i think you're describing

12:30

i sat

12:31

on the couch and pitched ideas and he

12:33

was at the keyboard doing most of the

12:35

work with the typing that's our was

12:37

with me i'm monster

12:39

house and heat vision and jack

12:42

would he would do a lot of typing and i would go okay

12:44

and this happens and then the sap as in this happens

12:46

to this happens and then and

12:48

then he would he would he would turn

12:52

it into something worth worth reading but

12:56

the but eventually i

12:59

i

12:59

was like realizing i'm never going

13:01

to be able i need to be independent

13:03

because i can't depend on somebody

13:06

else to get my ideas out because sometimes

13:09

they would be ideas that i really liked the

13:11

band didn't because i couldn't

13:14

either

13:14

convince him to do it

13:16

or i couldn't explain

13:18

it so ah

13:20

so i remember this is

13:22

is this is as the sound like a desperate

13:25

it really isn't but ah

13:27

i remember like when

13:29

we first moved out here and

13:32

it was like the like to

13:34

either dan said

13:36

you have no future as a writer to

13:38

just give it up

13:40

and there and and i was so

13:42

heartbroken by that

13:44

and i was so like ah

13:47

i'm saddened by that that

13:50

i went but i do like but

13:53

i wanna write i like writing i

13:55

want to be a writer so

13:58

i said to myself okay well

14:00

this town is full of city writers i'm

14:03

just gonna be another one of them shore

14:05

and our and i went

14:08

and i attacked every script that

14:11

i wrote after that with

14:14

the intention of i'm going to write the worst

14:16

script ever i'm going to write a terrible

14:18

script i'm just gonna write it and finish

14:20

it and will be terrible it'll be center

14:22

are in fact i'm going to be

14:25

in the goal is to have people

14:27

like goat holy shit this is terrible

14:30

like and i made myself laughing was very

14:32

entertaining by doing that

14:35

and then eventually i would eventually finish

14:37

it and then i would read and i got yeah this

14:40

is terrible but some of it's not terrible

14:42

and fact it's the stuff that's terrible

14:45

is so bad that i know

14:48

why it's bad so why don't they

14:50

just fix it and have that a terrible

14:52

script but maybe a mediocre script and

14:55

then i went from being a terrible writer

14:57

to a mediocre writer and and hopefully

14:59

you know i mean like i was doing that

15:02

building up and it wasn't until ah

15:05

yeah just a couple years ago that i felt like

15:08

oh okay actually i i i stopped

15:10

calling myself a mediocre writers are calling

15:12

myself a terrible writer and i just said now

15:14

i'm i'm up i'm pro right i'm a decent

15:16

writer and that was like

15:18

right around i just before

15:21

it was right after the lego debacle

15:23

and and and of

15:26

before i went into rick

15:28

and morty but

15:29

in that's that's what i would suggest

15:32

is a view our legs

15:35

and doesn't sound like you're anxious to be a soul

15:37

writer but maybe you will someday know

15:40

i mean that yeah got sorry been limited

15:42

is a like when i was working with than who

15:44

is like a very competent rider

15:47

i learned a ton of stuff

15:49

five watching him doing and by reading

15:52

his staff and and and

15:55

i'm and then there were stuff that i went i

15:57

don't agree with that are that something that's

15:59

and i feel like i

16:01

would question the different direction and i was

16:03

able to do that because i tried it out and

16:05

some of it worked in some the didn't but

16:08

ah

16:10

i created my own voice

16:12

that's what i think it is is like when you

16:14

are

16:16

writing bad i'm purpose you kind

16:18

of develop your your

16:20

own voice i think when you're right

16:22

trying to write good are writing for the teacher

16:26

is what i call it or writing for like

16:28

the executive you kind of

16:30

right this

16:32

com o

16:34

this is what they wanna hear any kind of sound

16:36

like a half right you just sound like

16:39

a hat

16:40

on tour or or or not that half

16:42

the just dumb just net know

16:45

as as a dullness to it so

16:47

when you're writing ah i'm

16:50

badly or writing like

16:52

i wanted to write like how i

16:54

talked to be i wanted to be a very

16:56

conversational

16:58

writer so i'm and i

17:00

think that's what i say i'm a

17:02

fan of view i like having conversations

17:04

with you i like listening to talk so

17:07

if i like listening to you talk

17:09

and i liked the stories that you want to tell

17:11

says he just said

17:14

i'm out loud and recorded it

17:16

into a tape recorder and then transcribed

17:19

that recording i think that would be

17:22

updated on mean

17:24

sharia area i think

17:27

you know it sounds like from what you said

17:29

that working with the and helped you you

17:31

know go down the path that

17:33

will eventually landed on you finding your

17:35

writers voice right yeah no and of only

17:38

danny the i and i didn't finish the

17:40

story where dan was i going i was

17:42

trying to motivate you and i said you don't

17:44

ever

17:46

have teacher as a writer that usually

17:48

doesn't work with me i usually roll over

17:50

and cry but

17:51

i was like at the beginning of my career

17:54

and i said i can't give up now shows

17:56

because one person said i

17:58

don't have a future i mean

18:01

all i have is the future because

18:03

i'm twenty nine and

18:06

i want to do this for

18:08

a living and i have an opportunity to do

18:10

it so i'm going to do it's and that i

18:12

just i was very prolific

18:14

writing terrible terrible scripts

18:17

bad man yeah

18:19

ah you know i like about bill is

18:22

i i know you mean we talk about

18:24

like reading with a partner and

18:27

you know than their like i don't like that idea or

18:30

whatever but what i like about bill is

18:32

mean hit may have worked

18:34

pretty like we're pretty constructive aldo

18:37

and then what will we be doing is we're late

18:39

hour with is probably found we talk about

18:41

this rights but we talk about the idea and we

18:43

flush it out and we come up with characters

18:45

and you know the premise in canada engine and stuff

18:48

we come up with all that stuff and then

18:50

i'm and then

18:52

he takes the whole first pass on

18:54

the draft he just sits it out he's incredibly

18:56

fast writer said it and i'm

18:59

so he lays down the structure and it's good

19:01

and then i go through and i do my pass

19:03

and then after i do my pass on it then

19:05

we talk about like if there's something i tried

19:07

to fix but failed to fix all be a like i

19:09

thought that i could do this and it really and

19:11

then you know we talk about that and different stuff

19:14

and and like from there we come

19:16

up with either some really strong like

19:18

rewrites or whatever or just like

19:20

new ideas and in place to go from there

19:22

or whatever and as so yeah i think

19:24

it's it's boy what do you think your strength azhar

19:28

i'm like

19:31

what do you think i'd al qaeda is what i'm bringing

19:33

to the table

19:34

will be my way we

19:37

got

19:38

remarried i like alec

19:40

winters problem is i like trying to come up

19:42

with good solutions to the problems ah

19:44

i'm i like trying

19:47

to add more sir

19:49

max you know if

19:51

that makes sense like you

19:54

know like story circle stuff i'm

19:56

my and yeah don't know but i don't think

19:58

a very good like i'm the characters i

20:01

bad a conflict i'm i'm

20:04

just i'm not there's a lot of stuff done a good

20:07

but yeah via the thing is you can get

20:09

good at that i'm terrible the characters to

20:11

and i'm i'm i'd love plot

20:14

of my step my my big criticism

20:16

i keep getting is like is

20:18

is very plot a very plot but

20:21

am i but i love plus

20:22

i love rent a loves figuring things

20:24

out alive like oh this leads to this

20:27

least leads to this this leads to this sub

20:29

and usually like the character stuff comes

20:32

last and it's always kind of for

20:34

sin and shoe horned and and doesn't

20:36

feel like it's a part of everything else

20:39

i'm no script said have been

20:41

successful for me are

20:44

when i start with a character and rap a

20:46

story around that am trying

20:48

that's my new thing right now is like okay

20:50

before

20:50

i fall in love with

20:53

the plot the hook

20:55

the premise that the world

20:58

let's get the character down

21:00

get their want need get

21:03

their what making a miserable

21:06

in the first act that they're

21:09

in a state of comfort but they're putting up with their misery

21:12

what does the world this story

21:15

force them to overcome in

21:17

order to be a more

21:19

authentic version of themselves or

21:21

ah a happier person you

21:23

know

21:25

some trying to do that i'm trying to do

21:27

that and it's difficult because

21:29

that's to me it's not

21:31

as fun as like okay this

21:33

is the threat this

21:36

is the this

21:38

is the the the why this

21:40

is happening today all this all that

21:43

stuff i thought what's on the back of the video

21:45

box is

21:46

are or what i

21:48

love to do but i yeah everything else

21:50

i'm kind of bored with

21:52

and then also i think get more informed

21:54

the shape of the saying that the pacing

21:56

of the saying me know and i think later

21:59

way i if we were you're saying is like yeah is

22:01

the character stuff that's gonna make it

22:04

works you know at the answer dies on mike

22:06

how good the character stuff feals spread

22:08

the same time good stuff the shape

22:10

of this matches the character

22:13

stuff but i mean that makes me think i wonder if

22:15

there's a way to use what's

22:17

exciting to you to kind of inform

22:19

what kind of character arc would like sit

22:21

that really well i am feel really organic

22:24

and on purpose you know because i think

22:26

the thing that sucks is come

22:28

up with a good character idea an

22:31

airplane yeah you have the character circle or

22:33

whatever and then it's like okay for

22:35

what are they doing and why is that interesting

22:37

because the character stuff can map on to so

22:40

many different things that downfield

22:42

different amounts of you know that braided

22:45

or are woven together or

22:47

just completely disconnected or whatever

22:49

and in it could work both ways they

22:51

can work if they're completely you know different

22:53

and work of the really similar nino it could

22:55

be like a counterpoint and a sort of thing

22:57

or it can be ah you know synthesis

23:00

bomb or symbiosis

23:03

or whatever but yeah i don't know it's

23:05

a bit seattle the big

23:07

underlying thing though is like a

23:10

big part of it for me is i

23:13

just have a bunch of you

23:15

know like what your life is is how you spend

23:17

your time right and so i feel

23:19

like i have a lot of poker chips that are stacked

23:21

up in hollywood just because i've been there

23:24

like you're saying like i'd been around damn writing

23:26

i've seen writers hims operated seen story

23:28

fall apart and stuff you know and so like

23:30

i have a lot of poker chips and so like again

23:33

trying to pass those our and then spend

23:35

that doing something else or

23:37

i can keep kind of trying to

23:39

stay in the sphere and that's right

23:41

now at least one of the main reasons

23:44

that i'm like still

23:47

pursuing this more them like

23:49

a real drive to like be a writer

23:52

in any sense like i don't

23:54

think i mean i don't know that anything really motivates

23:56

me in general i'm very not motivated

23:59

for any that you know i'm but

24:02

i think i'd be just as happy doing a lot of things

24:04

okay this i really like cartoons

24:06

you know making harming classes

24:08

really fun in in no small part because

24:10

you were talking about cartoons with people

24:13

who are experts in cartoons and you

24:15

could be okay what about the thing where you

24:17

know coyote runs off the cliff and keeps

24:19

going enough so he can talk in this like cartoon

24:21

language and in fi these cartoon images

24:24

and references visual references and stuff

24:26

yeah and that is is really exciting

24:28

to be but i don't think that needs

24:30

like i did that again as like then

24:32

my only intersection is writing is now way i can

24:34

be an animator i mean i could but you know i'd

24:36

have to against for your work in an amazing you get

24:38

a right now animations every day you don't have to

24:41

be able to draw organ animations

24:43

you know like but what are what are some your favorite

24:46

cartoon mason

24:49

you know adventure time and the

24:51

other like the good like golden era

24:53

cartoon network stuff again the fuckin

24:55

i have actually seen it but i've seen a bunch

24:57

eclipse was a cop scavengers rain

25:00

on h b o now mail new

25:02

you gotta check it out i'm well

25:04

that is that i'll early

25:06

enemy or was it it's

25:10

it's like

25:13

ah i'm i

25:15

know it feels kind of like a super mobius

25:17

or something mean over yeah that's

25:20

the on will it's definitely i

25:22

think it's it's very the liner simple

25:24

i don't know like if you look it up i don't know that it'll

25:26

strike you that way but it feels

25:28

kinda a i feel like it's a it's

25:30

a dull animation kind of serious

25:32

it's a cow looks like jesse moynihan stuff

25:34

and of you see now but his i don't abstract

25:37

in an exaggerated says i'm anna

25:39

may that i saw

25:41

on you tube on

25:44

you know is about

25:46

i'm trying to remember them is very

25:48

mobius like

25:49

and it was really cool if i can

25:52

find it's without taking

25:54

up too much about know

25:56

anything about it it might help because i'm a bit

25:58

over an amazing i'd

26:00

with i just don't know i mean it is an animated

26:03

school i mean like that's all right

26:05

now but i'm sure had see ah

26:08

and see if i can find it i'm just going

26:10

of were you searching for ah

26:12

it's under one of my playlist some trial

26:15

and clyde gotta gotta gotta i gotcha

26:18

the army to fill time for you have

26:20

still overtime as nose

26:22

or i haven't hit our the halloween theme

26:25

her

26:33

name

26:42

hello and welcome to black

26:45

hats happens the

26:47

only podcast that's guaranteed

26:49

to give you seven years of

26:51

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26:53

hosts elvira

26:59

you know i can find a bit of i find it out

27:02

in detail ah merger it's

27:04

something angel i think

27:07

adding and your i

27:09

don't know

27:11

man

27:12

ah right well but

27:14

it's very moebius login if

27:16

you're into that shore ah

27:18

and i think you are i'm

27:23

what other what other leg and will kind of stuff

27:25

did you watch when you were younger like what

27:27

kind of animation

27:28

ah

27:31

i watch our enemy that's the thing in l a

27:33

guy when i was younger i like when i was

27:35

sixteen cities have sixteen i

27:37

watched i just watched tons of at you'd

27:39

be and to go on i r c and download

27:41

all and bubble hamlin races and

27:43

now i never watched

27:46

bubble gum prices i think that stuff is

27:48

like those classes are a bit before my time

27:50

to grammarly go back and watch of and jelly

27:52

and you know the i i i should probably

27:54

watch bubble gum price is right now i can heighten

27:57

the attack on times really good says you have

27:59

fully cool

27:59

yeah

28:00

yeah food likely to

28:02

truly think one of my thing favorite things ever

28:05

yeah

28:05

then maybe know me into enemy

28:07

yeah a really is just so unlike

28:11

other enemy nothing

28:13

what is it what is the discord think his

28:16

dragons heaven the does yeah i think that this

28:19

man never heard of interest dragons have i

28:21

think that's it let me take a look at its it's

28:23

sir

28:25

i ate his i never

28:27

heard of it before

28:29

and

28:30

yeah it's very moebius looking

28:33

and it's ah i said the heather

28:35

and campbell who is

28:37

a huge and i'm a fan

28:39

to and see i don't think

28:41

she heard about it and my brothers jeff and

28:43

stephen who

28:45

i'm they

28:48

were very they're huge

28:50

animated my brother jeff my older brother

28:52

just got me as animals and

28:55

they never heard of that either so it's kind of a

28:57

rare thing i think

28:59

a dragon's haven't i was pretty

29:01

impressed with just the the style because it doesn't

29:03

look like your traditional animate wasn't a slick

29:05

and had a little bit of roughness to

29:07

a giver see london and

29:09

now

29:10

lennon blends man lens men lie is

29:12

a feature at had like some

29:16

old school c and at which

29:18

ah

29:19

is all victory and and

29:22

like lots of blue light thing

29:24

and great

29:25

designs really really fun really

29:27

really he has great like sister the north

29:29

star was another one that i just like wow

29:32

i love that i saw that in the theater

29:34

and are just thought it was just so

29:36

fucking cool oh i only watched

29:38

the series own you know their lot of these things

29:41

are movies hourly why how many movies

29:43

but they used show midnight movies like in milwaukee

29:46

and they showed sisters the north star and when

29:48

i saw it i was like holy

29:50

cow how can you even do this is

29:53

the north are super gray i mean there are

29:55

one of the things i really like about japanese

29:57

storytelling and or anna may i guess at

29:59

on off the storytelling is

30:01

just like this in the north star where

30:04

there's a guy he can punch you

30:06

and make your head blow up yeah how's

30:09

their tension and you know years ago is kind

30:11

attention but the other day you know is gonna punch

30:13

someone their heads gonna blow up you know face and

30:15

it's great and you'd britain but as a what viewer

30:18

you're not like oh this again it's

30:20

like know your grip this is like one of the most

30:22

popular enemy right now is called one punch man

30:24

have you heard of we're on fan oh yeah i

30:27

do you know all it's gonna happen is

30:29

going to the guy and he'll win the fight you know

30:31

there is still it's an amazing if you're never like gosh

30:33

i mean i wonder what happened with

30:36

a i i i like you

30:38

i don't think you can sell networks on that you

30:41

know on now now now people you

30:43

care of the have to be a fan of the stuff

30:45

first for you to sell their canister because

30:48

yeah but it is lives works like not gods

30:51

well it's that you and i will go yeah i'll

30:53

sit and watch a series of

30:55

this is our star or movie of that

30:57

isn't like

30:58

people go but is

31:01

kind of repetitious it will be like yeah

31:04

i'm i'm i'm here to see a guide punches

31:06

a guy that off with aids

31:09

in the river if it happens a bunch of times

31:11

bonus

31:12

ah over is another

31:15

enemy that i was like thinking about are talking

31:17

about for god's

31:19

like dirty pair thirty pairs another one

31:21

that i grew up with that i like i like

31:23

really a little old school like got

31:26

to man ah i love

31:28

i'm trans or the

31:30

is another when they're like you know i think

31:32

our i love the did gotcha

31:35

man especially as a like the original

31:37

got to man is i

31:40

just love the day glo colors of

31:42

a the designs a very simple

31:44

and big and

31:46

i think they're great of that now

31:49

the icing you know the the old looking

31:52

at me like other hand bomb cel

31:54

shading stuff or sell animation stuff

31:56

is really really good

31:58

looking and you know well

32:01

animated looks great these days to i guess so

32:03

whatever but you a great

32:06

nine look like shit everybody hates me

32:08

or mowgli normals me and

32:11

i have the same about myself

32:13

now

32:14

that's a rare marry

32:18

yeah i had a lack that down before

32:20

she decided

32:22

man he got ugly

32:25

and here we get a good pretty quick and

32:28

trend deal with the lighting gonna

32:30

kick a halloween

32:32

vibe going on

32:34

what are those shapes been projected

32:37

i can't quite make them out maybe there's some

32:39

there's if they're like ah

32:42

jack o' lanterns oh

32:44

they're like the faces right yeah

32:46

yeah

32:48

damn while trying to be halloween

32:51

cause i didn't wear a costume like i said i was

32:53

going to

32:54

yeah you suggested we all wear costumes

32:56

and i was like yeah and then i

32:58

told kevin wear a costume and com kevin's

33:00

like okay and then nobody

33:03

down as like i don't have a costume

33:05

men than i

33:07

though

33:08

what

33:09

i tried either i was like i'm dressed

33:11

as you spence i was what i looked all over i wasn't

33:14

a three stores looking for of red

33:16

and black flannel

33:17

could not find anything even close

33:19

to that and i went to and

33:21

or nothing at i didn't do anything

33:24

you know like i spend i spend my time

33:26

consider me a classroom i spent my time setting

33:28

stuff together for a halloween

33:31

marathon music it's a success

33:33

this halloween marathon spencer

33:36

a wizard it's ongoing

33:39

isn't there more days to it yes

33:43

well

33:44

i think it's gonna continue

33:48

to escalate success wise

33:50

i don't know where how we're how do we really haven't

33:52

i know how we measure as success i'm

33:54

just in saying like people and do people

33:57

enjoy it or not i don't

33:59

act of people yeah man in a discord they're

34:01

very anti they're good

34:03

decide they used to be the bad

34:05

discord then they became

34:07

the other discord and now they're the good

34:10

discarded but they're not be good

34:12

discord they're a good discord scan

34:14

like the aggro crag are you familiar with the aggro

34:16

crag know

34:20

will first it was the mega crag then it

34:22

was the aggro crag then it became

34:24

the super aggro crag or

34:26

something like that i can remember as is

34:30

bad and see the gets easier

34:32

to the guys how does this

34:34

look bad

34:38

that does what good is

34:40

it is it's still light outside

34:42

by you yeah i mean i

34:44

have a big window right by me and it's is

34:46

a camera thing like the cameras pick up the way pretty

34:48

heavily we're guy in the value probably

34:50

not picking up so much of the way right now

34:52

and i'm are isn't isn't windy son

34:56

it yeah when they know it's halloween like

34:58

m for me every halloween it's

35:00

fuckin windiest shit and it's always

35:02

like is always out of nowhere

35:05

it's like why is it windy and it's like oh it's because

35:07

holloway and so i have noted a lot tighter

35:09

only the day but area a woke woke

35:11

woke us up last night as like

35:14

whoa somebody

35:16

blown out my windows yeah

35:18

is it a burglar now

35:22

it's the wind

35:24

the wind is a burglar source of the think about

35:26

it i've been watching asbo

35:29

had been watching a dark

35:31

shadows the original series kevin did

35:33

you ever want dark shadows know

35:36

i've always meant to it's been on my list by i've

35:38

never watched it should i about this ah

35:41

spencer ah i see limited only depp

35:43

movie

35:45

it's like johnny depp movie is based on of

35:47

the a series that was like

35:49

think what late sixties

35:51

early seventies i'm not sure but

35:53

it was

35:55

it was a very it was like a soap

35:57

opera it aired like

36:00

twenty minutes a day i'm pretty sure it aired

36:02

lives but it is involved

36:05

like them peers and

36:07

were wolves and time

36:09

travel and craziness and was very

36:12

like the slow moving very

36:15

dry very but

36:17

lots of creepy music and i've

36:19

been just have

36:20

it on to be for free so i just

36:22

can't have been watching it because

36:25

it's like

36:25

you know twenty minutes apart

36:28

as proof fun as prefer i mean just

36:30

like what it is very comforting

36:32

but

36:32

it it it is that like old

36:34

school ah

36:37

ah what how you say like

36:40

this stuff that that we'd like ah

36:43

ah kevin like the other than

36:45

the old school like video public

36:48

television kind of three camera

36:50

stuff

36:51

that the that i i i just adore

36:54

and it's it's especially when there's like any

36:56

kind of side fire supernatural things

36:58

happening into it but it's like so

37:01

old that it's pretty fun i

37:03

don't know be dig it spencer

37:05

but i i don't have been living in

37:08

an now and if

37:10

you didn't i go it's have gone on in the background

37:13

or let's just watched like one of these

37:15

and nine up until halloween telephone

37:18

yeah speaking of halloween

37:20

stuff new the supernatural

37:23

check out my wouldn't believe in what

37:25

do i believe in me i you ever heard

37:27

me crazy stories i mean you have a ghost story

37:29

you believed that you believe that was real

37:32

ah i look back at that and i think

37:34

sleep paralysis is

37:36

more like what i experienced

37:39

and i haven't done a lot of deep diving

37:41

into the phenomenon

37:44

of sleep paralysis there's a whole

37:46

documentary on sleep paralysis

37:49

that i'm i'm kind of horrified

37:51

to look cats

37:53

and watson do any research because

37:55

somebody told me oh if

37:57

you do research

37:59

if you have you watched stuff like

38:02

that he gets into your head and then you

38:04

have sleep paralysis

38:06

more often and so

38:08

i'm so i haven't really looked

38:10

into it but i guess like

38:13

sleep paralysis is this this

38:15

feeling of oh i'm a war

38:17

i'm asleep but i'm awake but

38:19

i can't move my body

38:22

but there's something in the room

38:25

near i don't know what it is

38:28

when i was in of i laugh

38:30

at how sad when

38:31

i was in high school i got that a lot yeah

38:33

and they just suddenly stopped when they pm

38:36

but it happened to me when i was living

38:38

in our lives in

38:40

los feliz and

38:43

areas it was is itself pretty

38:46

pretty

38:46

real at the time i don't think

38:48

that's a ghost though i think that some

38:51

or or maybe it is you know

38:53

it's events on how loosely year i talk

38:56

about doesn't realize i fi like if

38:58

if there is

39:01

residual energy laying around

39:03

from

39:05

ah somebody who had lived in your

39:07

apartment i was new to that a place somebody

39:10

you'd lived in that same place and had

39:12

gone through like the same

39:16

ah rituals every day

39:18

especially that a monotonous life they get

39:21

up they go to bed they walk at the site like you

39:23

could see their residual energy

39:25

pass

39:27

a viewer and look on the hour from one

39:30

but yeah don't donnie darko something like

39:32

that

39:34

and

39:35

because i was in like this

39:37

kind of

39:38

awake or asleep

39:40

like between consciousness

39:44

as a my perception resulted

39:46

in maybe i saw something that was

39:49

residual energy ah

39:51

so

39:52

i believe that

39:54

sure

39:55

what else do i believe i

39:57

don't know what else do you believe i have ever i mean

39:59

they weren't and to i believe in minutes or

40:02

know don't think it could happen

40:05

minutes are is basically just a cow standing

40:07

up in a right look at

40:09

me believe in couchsurfing

40:12

know cause i think it's abuse to animals

40:15

or apparently catchy thing sake

40:18

okay

40:19

good

40:20

you know like you know world so

40:23

for folks a home i mean i'm sure you know a cow tipping

40:25

as it's a it's a style of prank

40:27

where you endured you teenage friends

40:29

go out into the into

40:32

the farm and you find

40:34

a cow that sleeping and

40:37

of course we all know the cows sleep standing

40:39

up and so when a cow's

40:41

sleeping you can skip

40:43

it over you see and

40:46

it's an epic prank

40:48

or something it's on dot a cow that

40:50

is not going to get the joke but

40:53

us now hey i'll

40:55

go i grew up in wisconsin which is

40:58

very country where i they were every

41:00

other kids were living

41:02

on the farm and had cows

41:04

and i heard about cow tipping

41:06

but i don't i never

41:08

did at i never knew of anyone who did

41:11

it will here's the thing you can't because

41:14

it is like is tipping over a table

41:17

while now it's like here's

41:19

the thing about cows they

41:22

sleep laying down they don't sleep see anything

41:24

i am sad though

41:27

yeah know what they do they they can of the

41:29

fold up you know damn

41:31

i gotta get leroy as yeah so

41:35

the premise of cow tipping it's

41:37

it's it's a pack is like a pray to idea

41:40

so you'll you'll talk to someone and

41:42

then they'll say oh we are you say

41:44

like oh you gotta go cow tipping and then you

41:46

know maybe they'll come back and well what will we temporal

41:48

how this weekend and you'll laugh at them

41:50

silently to yourself knowing that they

41:52

couldn't have done that because it's not a possible

41:55

thing to do mail like them rank

41:57

that is no that is like visited only that

41:59

growing up and running on city slip around

42:02

kind of you know to be all a to allow think

42:04

yeah you think you think you can do it and you can

42:08

which not very supernatural but

42:10

or aim yeah i guess

42:12

reserve yeah don't believe

42:14

in a

42:16

yeah i make sense i houses

42:18

i was just really a vr

42:21

like know

42:23

do believe they were in a simulation

42:26

now i think that flake or

42:29

two years the smart that i have on there are a

42:31

lot of leg i guess i owe giza

42:33

i talked about this and realize i've

42:35

i and i feel like i've changed my opinion

42:38

so leave it every

42:40

and and now i've is like saying i think

42:42

possibly we are but now my going out

42:44

a know but i want to hear european first i

42:47

think i think a lot of belief systems

42:49

arise from real things

42:52

that happen that man full think you

42:54

know obviously a goes is

42:56

someone is dead and you're like what is that

42:58

what his death you know and so yeah

43:00

jin what if you go on after death ghost

43:02

cetera ah you know that

43:04

whatever but i

43:06

think like the seed that that causes

43:09

the simulation theory is we live

43:11

in a world that's been hollowed out by the

43:14

ah you know the

43:16

rich overlords of the world that of just

43:18

completely replace the functioning society

43:21

with essentially a cardboard paper mushy

43:24

steam version of society we

43:26

used to have like banks that actually

43:28

works and they had savings accounts

43:30

that actually work the to get financial advice

43:33

you could buy a house with real mortgage

43:36

and you can get a real college degree

43:39

wasn't like you know just a diploma and

43:41

i think all of these things all these institutions

43:44

have been hollowed out and replaced with scams

43:46

you know now it's like people work for apps

43:49

that that pay them as independent contractor

43:51

so they don't have to give them health care you know like

43:53

everything that use to actually exist

43:56

in real reality is been

43:58

hollowed out and turned into like the carnival

44:00

cheap what bob steam version

44:02

that only meant to fuck people over and

44:05

enrich the people at the very top and that

44:07

is a virtual reality

44:09

there was reality any be killed not

44:11

reality and so i think that creates

44:14

this feeling of none

44:16

of this is real be as in a way it's

44:18

not it's just it is literally

44:20

real like this is real computer if metal

44:23

you know i'm inside think that's kind of

44:25

what spurs the idea know

44:28

above virtual reality but either

44:30

way i can i go to the bathroom

44:32

okay

44:34

okay so the other thing about virtual

44:36

reality is that

44:39

if you haven't ah kill us rifts bouquets

44:41

gun with a killer has ago i

44:43

do they don't show or so far so

44:46

we say anything the show is so

44:48

far

44:49

on chaotic but i think we needed a chaotic

44:51

episodes i like this

44:53

the i think we needed a really bad episodes

44:58

anyway what i was trying to save for rom kept interrupting

45:00

me was i listened this podcast called other

45:03

worlds and they

45:05

did with the latest episode is of a mini series

45:07

called many things and it's talking to it was talking

45:09

about this couple that moved into this

45:11

house that seem

45:13

to be hearted and the stories

45:15

really crazy the thing is any time you hear go story

45:17

it's like first of all they can be making certain that they

45:19

can be imagining this or that they can be

45:21

creating coincidences and making a making

45:24

believe it's like a real phenomenon

45:26

and then also they could just be straight up lying

45:29

you know by if you a of

45:31

you assume they

45:33

aren't lying like what they're talking about really

45:35

crazy laika because

45:37

there's like some sort of spirit or demon

45:39

that's doing a lot of shit it was like riding

45:42

upside down writing on the walls

45:44

that would disappear the next day i'm

45:47

it would make light swing around in a house

45:49

like that is hanging lamps that would swing around

45:51

and also seem to start to possess

45:54

one of the women in the house and she

45:56

start acting crazy and that

45:58

the one of the of the most killing details

46:02

that was that the woman would be out

46:04

with her dad in her dad reported

46:07

that like her face would have like a literal

46:10

physical visible distortion

46:12

he likened it to static on a television

46:14

screen land like blurring

46:17

her face at moments which

46:19

i mean that's like literally something

46:21

they do in editing and special effects in

46:24

horror movies right you know imagining

46:26

seen men a real life is just

46:28

it's gotta be crazy so i'll i'll

46:30

know if it's a true story i don't know but

46:33

it is really it's really crazy

46:35

and compelling you know it's it's for the interest rate

46:37

definitely compelling yeah

46:39

i mean a boeing to talk about it but i feel

46:42

like i think the whole we're

46:45

in a odd

46:46

on you know a virtual

46:48

reality that this is not

46:51

a simulate the simulated universe

46:53

i think that's all wish fulfilled fear

46:55

every wishful

46:58

thinking like it's just another version of

47:00

like oh when the game is over will

47:02

take off our headsets

47:04

and will go hey let's play another around

47:06

accept our be you know ben affleck this

47:08

time you know like i think

47:11

yeah

47:13

i'd be nice you know but it's just

47:16

another version of of of afterlife

47:18

of heaven and yeah and that's

47:20

that's the part that i think it was specially

47:22

derives from man a and i think

47:24

it's like from seeing you know i say this all

47:27

the time when i'm ranting by like we

47:29

in my opinion we've never really been in

47:31

a place where we know how to

47:33

solve all of society's problems

47:35

and we simply choose not to i

47:37

think like maybe in the nineties or whatever

47:40

i think there's been a lot of periods throughout human history

47:42

where we didn't have the technology to solve them we

47:44

didn't have the science to understand the problems

47:46

we didn't have the science to really test solutions

47:48

and figure out with the right ones are i think at this

47:50

point it's like there's really no reason

47:52

for any suffering that we see it's

47:55

almost all just people

47:57

in charge making decisions to not

47:59

here you know in i think when you see

48:01

that it's you get this kind of cognitive

48:04

dissonance which is like why is this happening

48:06

it's almost like it's fake and i think that that

48:08

leads to that but you know on

48:10

a on a more pessimistic level not not to shit

48:12

on you if you had the that opinion but

48:15

i do think on some level the virtual reality

48:17

series just like a dumb guys version of

48:19

a religious theory that make sense

48:21

you know

48:23

yeah i yeah i really

48:25

gets her in a dumb as is

48:27

a harsh word but i i feel like get

48:29

say i think it's somebody

48:33

i think what humans humans want

48:35

to make sense of something

48:38

they are why am i hear

48:40

what i'm what is my purpose

48:42

what was i made for

48:44

then the answer is nothing really

48:47

you just happened you know is

48:49

is is something that nobody wants to hear

48:52

i don't want to hear it i hope there's

48:54

something you know that's as

48:57

more than this but there

49:00

might not be here and

49:03

ah yes so that's

49:06

that's just the the biggest that's the

49:08

biggest reason to just make

49:10

the best of what we have you know

49:12

and and and and be as

49:14

happy as you possibly can now because

49:17

this might be it it might be it i

49:19

hope it's not it be great to keep gone

49:21

but

49:23

it might not be yeah well that's

49:25

a family and like this and i'm not really motivated

49:28

by ah i mean it's not

49:30

like him whatever like i'm good at anything

49:32

but i'm i'm i'm i'm not i disagree

49:34

i think you're good at a lot of stuff i'm

49:36

just says that i'm not really motivated

49:39

to like pursue a profession especially

49:41

in light of the idea that like i'm thirty

49:43

years old life is short we're gonna die

49:46

like really the only thing i wise to like

49:48

find a partner and field love

49:50

because in general i feel as great

49:53

that's that's the whole point

49:54

that's what i think it is i mean

49:56

yeah the career i agree a

49:58

career or com i think i got

50:00

but if your goal is to i want to be

50:03

with somebody or

50:05

certain but some people that

50:08

i care for and they care about

50:11

me and

50:13

that's the whole that i really do

50:15

think is what it's all about really

50:17

i mean like eat and you could be that

50:19

are rich rich person

50:21

with it you could have a are not even a refers

50:24

you could have a great career but if you go

50:26

home alone and there's nobody there

50:28

or worse you go home and there's somebody

50:30

there that doesn't care about you

50:33

ah

50:34

it's did that that to

50:36

me is like worse

50:39

than death

50:41

ah now is worse than death had sucks

50:43

i have yeah

50:44

i hate existing yeah i

50:46

don't like yeah being alone

50:49

and being or are not did you

50:51

can be in a crowded room

50:53

full of people that are talking to you

50:55

and still feel unloved and

50:58

that's no way to exist but i think

51:01

i think that's a great goal for any

51:03

been is to like

51:04

look i'm not here to make

51:07

my mark or have a legacy i'm here

51:09

to find a

51:12

person that i can care for and

51:15

hopefully will care for me to

51:19

near

51:19

i care about spencer

51:21

makes me i care about to i think

51:23

like part of my theory of like humans is just

51:26

like because you know we have to

51:28

my breed is like a

51:30

her as an instinctual animal urge

51:32

to breed i think that creates all this

51:35

pretense for us like being

51:37

happy when we have community and stuff especially

51:39

humans because humans don't just

51:41

need like a partner and then they lay

51:43

eggs in the sand and go away you know like

51:46

humans create the community that

51:48

subs that creates the survival

51:50

citing like it's just hard wired into us to

51:52

need that sort of thing

51:54

in adding and what people like comedy

51:56

is because most comedies the

51:58

structure is

51:59

buddy who is a outcasts

52:03

who goes on this adventure and

52:05

at the end gets rewarded with

52:07

community yeah like ghostbusters

52:10

or caddy shack or whatever you know it's

52:12

like these these characters

52:14

that are related

52:17

bowl but dumb versions of ourselves

52:19

so we can laugh at them but at the

52:21

end they're rewarded with family

52:25

have a love interest

52:27

a brother or sister

52:29

yeah like they're rewarded with

52:31

us of you know of their

52:34

children who love them you know i think that's

52:36

why we like comedy

52:38

so much is because that's the story

52:41

of likes a doofus who

52:43

we kind of relate to ah

52:46

but it's is exaggerated version of

52:48

of how we look at ourselves

52:51

and they do a lot of dumb

52:53

stuff they do they do a lot of slipping

52:56

on banana peels and things like that that

52:58

we can laugh at and takes the pressure

53:00

off of it's but in the end they do the

53:02

right thing and are rewarded with

53:05

community and i think that's

53:07

that's that's why i'm drawn

53:09

to i'm

53:11

a comedy i didn't realize

53:13

that until it was kind of and to

53:15

like almost like a year ago when it was like kind

53:17

of laid out like

53:20

that that's why we're into a

53:23

comedy because we're social creatures we want

53:25

community i mean that's why i'm

53:28

like the

53:30

isolation tank or whatever or

53:32

was a good to eat that that's like a

53:34

prison thing you know rank

53:36

a lot like somebody up for months

53:39

without talking to anyone you know

53:42

ah that's torture

53:44

we need to have we

53:47

need to have

53:48

community we need to have society

53:50

where social creatures it's

53:53

true i agree am

53:55

that's why i think this this thing this

53:58

experiment of shrub home video is

55:15

i

56:00

think that's kind of what they stripped

56:02

from television the big streamers

56:05

spare like okay we have this box called

56:07

netflix and we're gonna dump a billion

56:09

television shows and things you can watch and

56:11

work the best because we have

56:13

the most things to watch and it's like the that's

56:15

not inexperience like one

56:18

of the things i've been ranting about is like there should

56:20

be you know people love to wits and twitch

56:22

has a live chat yeah you're talking to

56:24

a real person as in like there's so many

56:26

ways to do so television

56:29

back and reflect like what people actually

56:31

why out of the shared experience but

56:34

i somehow with their interest in offer you know

56:36

i no longer had felix sater does

56:38

it pretty well then they've been kind

56:40

of leading even other a small

56:42

little app and they are you know

56:44

they

56:45

have specialize in horror and everything

56:47

like that but they do the job bob show

56:51

like every i think it's friday words

56:53

lives and their watch

56:56

i'm it it's just watching him and darcy

56:58

watch a movie together

56:59

and you're not they're not like even

57:02

their voices are their their their

57:04

faces aren't there

57:07

when you're watching the movie but you check in with

57:09

them

57:10

at their and ago wow of is that that was

57:12

crazy and of i get better at a god

57:14

does give you a sense of community

57:17

and also they have like this

57:19

oh where there's just shudder

57:21

t v where you can click on it and there's

57:24

like a movie playing at random and

57:26

then after this movie by and renders another one

57:28

after that so it feels like oh

57:32

i'm i'm in the middle of this yeah yeah i can't

57:34

into something else right read

57:36

something that you don't have control over something

57:39

that is more like a radio station

57:41

or or old school t v where

57:43

you can pause it you gotta wait till

57:45

the break in between before

57:47

you can afford to miss

57:49

something

57:50

am

57:51

and i think you know to be the same

57:54

way they have commercial breaks

57:56

but

57:57

does or thing

57:59

the streamers really killed that

58:02

sense of

58:03

of community because growing up there

58:05

was

58:06

everybody would kind of watch the

58:08

when there was only like three networks

58:11

monday you we go would you watch how

58:13

i watched i watched nbc

58:16

oh okay so you watch knight rider

58:18

than right yeah oh yeah aroused my right okay

58:20

why watched i watched sell sex

58:22

as dukes of hazzard okay will you go to

58:24

the size of the roman talk about that the and

58:26

i like it's a there is up

58:29

there was a small

58:32

is it is it as a diverse like some

58:34

discussion

58:36

that would happen or and and is

58:38

why i love horror whoa so much is because

58:40

you would be watching shock theater in

58:42

milwaukee on friday night and you would

58:45

call somebody on the other side

58:47

of town and girls are you watching

58:49

as a watson as yeah

58:51

yeah this movie sucks yeah and

58:53

so but you would be talk and now

58:55

we replace the phone with like the discord

58:58

or

58:59

or or twitter or whatever

59:02

and on twenty they have like just people watching

59:04

stuff the yeah and they'll just wanted together

59:06

you know that the egg thing on twitch these days yeah

59:08

that's great i love that i mean like

59:11

as a good thing is is that the nature

59:13

finds a way he had our even though netflix

59:16

tuck community away from it's

59:19

people are doing things like what we're

59:21

doing twitch and

59:22

shudder and what their that there but

59:24

the air because it's is essential need

59:26

we need this we

59:29

need this and we will and were

59:31

smart creative people were going to figure

59:33

out a way that we can all sit

59:35

around the campfire and enjoy the

59:38

experience while the darkness is at our backs

59:41

you know like weekend we we

59:43

this is this is what life is if

59:46

if it's just us clicking on files

59:49

and just watching stuff that's no lights

59:52

that matters is not as wanna mess

59:54

the thing because it's like it's not it's

59:56

it's it's all it all becomes meaningless

59:59

yeah Yeah, definitely. It's because

1:00:02

again, it's like you're connecting to something else,

1:00:04

something bigger. It's

1:00:07

something that doesn't even necessarily care

1:00:09

about you. You're investing yourself

1:00:12

into it in the hope it pays off somehow. It's

1:00:15

not just like playing solitaire or something. It

1:00:21

actually has meaning because it's not

1:00:23

you. It's not a contained singular

1:00:26

experience. It just is its own thing

1:00:29

and then you can connect to it and be part of it and that can

1:00:31

enrich your life. I guess

1:00:34

it has something to offer you. A

1:00:36

bunch of shows just don't have

1:00:39

something to offer you other than burning

1:00:41

your time. It's like if you have time to burn, let's

1:00:43

burn some time. It's not really

1:00:45

giving you anything. Also, I

1:00:48

think that's probably a big part of how the monoculture

1:00:50

existed in the past. Now we don't really have

1:00:52

a monoculture, but back in television

1:00:55

and especially back before there was so many different

1:00:57

stuff where people would talk

1:00:59

about the same shows and then you'd feel left

1:01:01

out if you didn't see the show that everyone was talking

1:01:03

about that day. That's like this

1:01:07

big social fabric. The

1:01:09

social fabric doesn't exist in a billion ways

1:01:11

these days, but that's definitely one of them.

1:01:14

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how that

1:01:16

affects the young people growing

1:01:19

up in this

1:01:21

scattershot world. They

1:01:23

don't want TV. They don't want STV. They

1:01:25

watch TikTok. They watch

1:01:28

TikTok and they watch Twitch. They watch YouTube.

1:01:30

All these things that actually are offering some

1:01:32

semblance of community and not

1:01:35

just seeing stuff.

1:01:38

Again, it's sad because we

1:01:40

work in TV and stuff. That's what we want to do is

1:01:42

make entertainment. But if we have to make

1:01:45

it for people that don't understand that

1:01:47

essential need and can't serve it

1:01:49

to their audience, everybody

1:01:52

loses, especially people that are trying to ... It's got

1:01:55

to be part of why they're

1:01:57

looking at these numbers and they're going, oh, it's

1:02:00

It's not what it used to be. It's like yeah, because you're

1:02:02

not giving people what they want and it's not

1:02:04

like your shows aren't good It's

1:02:06

just people weren't tuning in just to watch

1:02:08

a good show and then go to work for eight hours

1:02:10

You know like they were watching because

1:02:13

it was real stuff. It was actually it was it

1:02:15

was society and now it's not society You know

1:02:17

yeah, there's not the variety show or the

1:02:19

host that comes out and goes hey welcome

1:02:22

Hey you

1:02:24

Sit around and watch you know I mean like

1:02:26

people used to watch stuff like Lawrence Welk you

1:02:29

know or like these variety

1:02:31

shows that would be on where a Guy

1:02:34

would come out or like a couple

1:02:36

would come out and they would be like hey, you know

1:02:40

You know here's a joke. There's a punchline.

1:02:43

Oh, that's great now. Let's listen

1:02:45

to a song all right. That's great

1:02:48

Let's watch a sketch all right. Let's

1:02:50

interview this famous person all

1:02:52

right have some commercials. We'll be right back You

1:02:55

know and then like don't go away.

1:02:57

We'll come back. Please come back after this

1:02:59

and there's none of that anymore There's

1:03:01

nobody like there's just movies

1:03:04

and shows and stuff. There's nobody like

1:03:07

looking at the person That's

1:03:09

sitting them possibly alone in their

1:03:11

apartment and going hey you

1:03:14

We did this thing for you.

1:03:16

You know like you sit back and enjoy

1:03:18

it. I hope you like it

1:03:20

you know like I mean there's there's

1:03:22

talk shows like The Tonight Show and

1:03:25

things like that, but It's

1:03:27

it's it's it's really not the the

1:03:29

same those are on really late, too They're not

1:03:31

like prime time shows They're not like they

1:03:33

also had like the wonderful world

1:03:36

of Disney word wealth Disney would come

1:03:38

out and go hey You know this

1:03:40

is how we make Animation

1:03:43

or this is how we make the

1:03:45

the stuff as you could see it was a big

1:03:47

commercial

1:03:48

But still it was somebody that's going

1:03:51

you probably wonder how we do

1:03:53

this This is how we do it,

1:03:56

and it gives you a behind the scenes look

1:03:58

and it actually doesn't talk to you

1:03:59

like you're an idiot, you know, they assume

1:04:02

they're giving you like, hey,

1:04:04

you want to look behind the curtain? It's pretty cool.

1:04:07

There's not a lot of that anymore. I mean,

1:04:09

you can search for it, but nobody

1:04:12

really doing that. That's what's

1:04:14

happening on Twitch and TikTok. Like

1:04:17

most Twitch treaters are essentially

1:04:19

like a variety show, you know, I get on Twitch. I don't

1:04:21

even know what it is. It's

1:04:27

basically what we're doing as a Twitch. It's just,

1:04:30

instead of being hosted on Twitch, Kevin

1:04:32

hosts it on his website. It's the same

1:04:34

thing. You know, you can do whatever you can do podcasts.

1:04:36

You can, I mean, you know, people play video games,

1:04:39

but the more successful people don't, they, they

1:04:41

talk about politics. They have

1:04:43

mini games that they play with their audience. Sometimes they

1:04:45

play video games with the audience. Sometimes they do art

1:04:48

on the stream. You know, sometimes they just watch

1:04:50

YouTube videos and laugh at the YouTube videos.

1:04:52

They do all sorts of stuff. You know, it really is

1:04:54

variety. Well, that's what

1:04:56

Harmontown I felt like. I felt like

1:04:58

people were into Harmontown because it was

1:05:00

like, you're watching your

1:05:02

friends hang out. Yeah.

1:05:04

You know, a lot of people say that happens is like Harmontown.

1:05:07

Yeah. I feel like

1:05:09

it is. They do. They

1:05:12

don't know. I tell people that

1:05:14

to try and get them to watch. I feel

1:05:16

like it is. Well, I, I, I'd

1:05:18

like to think it kind of is. And if it was

1:05:20

a live show, I think it would be closer

1:05:22

to that, but it's not, you know, um, not

1:05:25

that I could carry a live show in any sense, but

1:05:27

I think it would probably be closer to that.

1:05:30

You did pretty good tonight. You did a great job tonight.

1:05:33

Well thanks. And with that, we've run

1:05:35

out of time on this timer, right Kevin? Is that what

1:05:37

that's telling us?

1:05:38

Yeah, it's a little loose tonight, but yeah, we're close

1:05:41

to the end.

1:05:42

Oh, well it's a little loose tonight, Rob. You have any other things

1:05:45

to say?

1:05:46

No, just keep, keep watching until Halloween

1:05:48

everybody. Thank you so much for supporting

1:05:50

Shrob Home Video and, and,

1:05:53

uh, all these years, you

1:05:55

know, it was just something we did for fun

1:05:57

and, and, and,

1:05:59

we, we

1:05:59

been enjoying it. I hope you've been enjoying it. So,

1:06:02

um, I love it. And

1:06:04

probably programming, it's this real,

1:06:07

it's like we've been talking about, this is real, it's programmed.

1:06:09

It's, it's a schedule. We got the good

1:06:12

discord, the, uh, one of the good discords you

1:06:14

come in, you could talk to people, you have community,

1:06:16

you know, we got it all on shrub home video.

1:06:19

Yeah. A Halloween marathon, Halloween

1:06:21

marathon, put it down

1:06:23

in the background. Let it, let

1:06:26

it roll. And

1:06:28

if, uh, if you want a different kind of community,

1:06:30

there's another good discord. It's my discord.

1:06:33

That's right. Patreon.com slash the six

1:06:35

where it's one of the two good discords

1:06:37

that I'm aware of, and you can join it and

1:06:40

you can post pictures of your chickpea salad. Uh,

1:06:42

you know, whatever, whatever you want. You ever have chickpea

1:06:45

salad, Rob? Yeah.

1:06:47

That's good. I'm going to make a lot more these days.

1:06:49

Like chickpea flower, chickpea flower

1:06:52

is good too. I have to do it because I have a gluten

1:06:54

allergy. So it's great.

1:06:57

Yeah. Well, chickpea flowers. Great.

1:06:59

Yeah. You can make a fake tuna

1:07:02

fish with chickpeas.

1:07:03

Yeah. I've heard about that. Have you

1:07:05

ever made a seitan?

1:07:07

Uh, it's hard because

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of the gluten, the wheat.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. You can't eat. But there

1:07:14

are gluten free versions of it that you can

1:07:17

get. I haven't been able to make them

1:07:19

though, but I've been cooking a lot lately and

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enjoying it quite a bit.

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Yeah. I'm cooking better than I ever have

1:07:25

in my life. Hell

1:07:27

yeah. I'm gaining so much weight

1:07:30

because I'm enjoying eating some

1:07:32

of the delicious recipes.

1:07:35

I'm trying to lose weight. I've lost 15 pounds. But, Harry,

1:07:39

yeah, that's our show folks. What did

1:07:41

you do? Sit ups? I

1:07:43

count calories. I hike. I

1:07:46

weigh myself every day. Really?

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Yeah. I think the thing about

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weighing yourself every day is it helps

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you understand how bad certain

1:07:56

things are. Like if you eat a bunch of food

1:07:58

and then your weight doesn't go up the neck. the next day it's like

1:08:00

oh maybe that food wasn't as bad as

1:08:02

I thought or maybe I exercised enough to offset

1:08:05

it. So it kind of is like if

1:08:07

trying to be healthy is like the experiment,

1:08:10

like weighing yourself every day is like consistent

1:08:12

results to really understand what you're doing

1:08:14

and how it affects you. But it's also

1:08:16

obsessive, but I think the obsessive part of it

1:08:18

is why I can actually walk into it if

1:08:21

that makes sense. I think you have to be, if you want to

1:08:23

lose weight

1:08:24

enough that it's noticeable to

1:08:26

somebody on the street,

1:08:30

you have to be obsessive.

1:08:31

You know, you have to like count calories.

1:08:34

You can't be lackadaisical

1:08:36

about it. You have to go I'm not, I'm

1:08:38

only gonna eat once today. Yeah.

1:08:42

I'm not going to eat until

1:08:44

noon or I'm not going to eat after

1:08:46

five or stuff like that. Stuff

1:08:49

that is not natural, stuff that

1:08:51

is, you have to be, and to stay

1:08:53

with, I could do it for about three days and the

1:08:55

minute I go oh yeah, I'm starting

1:08:57

to feel and look noticeably

1:08:59

thinner.

1:09:00

I better have 18 cupcakes

1:09:03

to reward me. And that's

1:09:05

usually what I do.

1:09:06

Yeah, it's hard. But hey, it's

1:09:09

worth it. The thing is I've lost a lot of weight

1:09:12

and I was still ugly. So, you know,

1:09:14

that wasn't the problem. But hey, it doesn't

1:09:16

hurt, you know? So with

1:09:19

that out of the way, let's end the show. We

1:09:21

like, you don't know this Rob, but we like to end the

1:09:23

show. Oh, go ahead. I'm saying

1:09:25

like,

1:09:26

you know, losing weight

1:09:28

doesn't make you look younger either,

1:09:30

by the way.

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Yeah, that's fine. I don't need to look younger. I just

1:09:33

need to look less. I'm talking about me, man. Oh,

1:09:36

well you're married. You have no reason to

1:09:38

look like anything. Like you're fine. Yeah,

1:09:40

I do. I want to keep my wife. I don't want her to go

1:09:43

hmm, I wonder what the pool boy is doing

1:09:45

tonight. You know, like I don't. That's gonna happen, I

1:09:47

feel like that's gonna happen regardless of

1:09:49

what you do. Like that's just on its own track,

1:09:52

you know? You only have so much control over that. I

1:09:54

don't know. You think it's gonna happen? I don't

1:09:56

think it's gonna happen. I think if it's going to happen,

1:09:58

it won't matter. Like. It's just it's something

1:10:01

that it's its own thing. You know anyway

1:10:03

we can Kevin's fucking getting antsy I can

1:10:05

tell but we like to

1:10:08

end the show the same way we do every week. So

1:10:10

until next time

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Kevin just in the show