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Hey everybody, what it is? You

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know it's the Spleen and he's coming

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to you live from the abdomen.

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That's right baby, we got the new studio

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and we call it the abdomen because

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that's where the Spleen loves to

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sit. Isn't that right, Kevin?

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Oh, it is, it is. That

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is... Wow,

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yeah. Now we call it the abdomen. Sometimes

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we take a punch in the abdomen, we call it, you know, when we're having

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a meeting and stuff like that. So, yeah,

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I like it.

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That is wow indeed,

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Kevin. We take a punch

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to the abdomen. That's what we call it when

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we do shots, shots, shots, shots, shots,

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shots. And now it is time. Hit

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that shot buzzer. Stop the shot

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clock because it is time

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to take a punch to the abdomen.

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What you sippin' on tonight, Kevin?

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I got some cold bread and

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some major melon. So I am

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ready for an episode of That Happens Tonight. Alright,

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Kevin, I don't think understands what a shot

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is because you know we talking hard liquor.

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The kind that punch you in the face.

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That's right. I'm already going on half

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a bottle of absinthe, so you know

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I'm seeing things.

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things. If you

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were in the studio right now, you would

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see them too, baby, because I am convinced

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this is not a hallucination from the

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Green Fairy.

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Have you ever had absinthe before?

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Yeah, baby. Oh, yes, me and my

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friends, we used to drink absinthe at parties

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occasionally, and my friend had the whole

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kit with the little thing where you put

2:26

the sugar cube on it and you pour it over the sugar

2:29

cube, and it's like, why are we even doing

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this? Because it still tastes horrible,

2:34

and oh boy, absinthe is overrated.

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I don't know if we had the real stuff, baby, but

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it was basically just like relatively

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strong liquor, but

2:46

nothing special. It tasted

2:49

kind of minty and botanical,

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if you know what I mean. Talking

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about that wormwood infusion,

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and if you want the wormwood infusion, drop me

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a line on my Instagram

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page, baby. That's right. That's what

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I called a whiskey dick.

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That's right. We had the abdomen tonight.

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Should we keep doing this? We could potentially

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just do this the whole show. My

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voice doesn't give out, baby. I'm

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curious how long you can keep this up. So yeah, sure. Let's

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try it. I've

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tried happens before. It just tasted like

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really bad black liquor-ish. Yeah.

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Gave me a headache. Yeah,

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exactly. That's really about it.

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That's really about it. That's right. I'll

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recall some headaches myself, baby,

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and I'm not talking about a hangover

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because, well, it was actually a lot like a hangover

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because it was induced by liquor.

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Oh yeah, but it was like a pre-hangover.

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I call it a hang-under.

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You know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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we in the studio tonight, baby,

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and it's time to get pulled. And

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the abdomen Now

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that's right Kevin now it's time for you to

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take some

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Well, I mean this is this is about as hard as

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I get so some girl major

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melon

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Maybe within a leave

4:19

at the same time, you know that that's a

4:21

party for me All

4:23

right. Well take it. Oh shit. He's doing

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it in the cameras on me, baby But that's how

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it rolls in the overwhelming.

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That's what we call the abdomen, baby The

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overwhelming. Yeah, my mind has done

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a little overwhelming lately. Oh Yeah,

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you've been overwhelmed by sugar and

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caffeine and you know, it's 730 ish

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in the evening time when you've taken

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this Due to the dome,

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baby. That's right. You're gonna go all the

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way up to the head That's what we

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call the upstairs office that contains

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the printer. Oh, yeah You

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find the caffeine still affects you with the amount of Mountain

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Dew you've consumed in your life. Oh Yeah,

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yeah, definitely. I think it always

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affects me But I gotta say

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I have not been drinking soda lately

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and when you don't drink soda lately

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And then you drink caffeine at all

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who boy you're up till two bouncing

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off the walls Making your downstairs

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neighbor know what the upstairs neighbor

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is doing You know what I'm talking about talking about

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those footsteps on the floor

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stomping around like you want some more.

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Oh, yeah How do

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you feel about daylight savings time? You

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know, the daylight just switched

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to savings or ended the savings

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or whatever We

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got savings for you tonight. Either way. Um, I

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Hate daylight savings time. I wish we would get rid of it. I

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really do It just it just messes

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so many things up for not a lot of benefit.

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What's your hot take on that? That's

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the hot take alert

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You know Kevin just dropped a hot steamy

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take that we call that the Chicago

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steamer, baby And you know it's

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sweating outside That's

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right. No, I would say I have to agree with you.

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I would get rid of it I think that to

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an extent I don't really care that much

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or I should say that I didn't it seemed like something

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that people Just love to complain

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about if you know what I'm talking about But

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I gotta say I've been in a routine

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of going on morning and evening Hikes,

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and you know the evening hacks can be dangerous

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if you don't got no lat, baby And

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so just this morning I

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woke up and daylight was saved

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and everything was completely fucked it

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was easily 10 degrees hotter outside

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when I take my morning walk and Easily

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way too dark to take my evening walk.

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So this is a problem I

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found a routine that was working for me

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and the daylight saved it away,

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baby I am going to stop

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losing the weight and you know I be trying

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to drop a pants size I

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think I'm gonna do in a My

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friend had this album that was entirely in

7:11

between stage banter from kiss

7:13

and So they would introduce

7:16

the songs and then they'd introduce a song

7:18

and then they'd go to the next track Which was introducing

7:21

another song or the same song and I think

7:23

I'm trying to do a little bit of that crowdwork

7:27

and it was fun to see how they

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would try and uh, Arlie

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various things into saying like cold

7:34

gin for instance. It was

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a real trip, baby I think that's a

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viral video these days But

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yeah, I didn't really care too

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much about daylight savings time But now

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I fucking hate it and I wish it was dead. It's

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gonna be hotter. It's gonna be harder to hike Oh

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boy, and you knew the spleen got a hike

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baby. That's how I stay fit

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Jenna

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and is looking something up on the computer, it looks

8:02

like doing his tippet taps on the keyboard.

8:05

And you know we not making music out here,

8:07

just sweet, sweet web links. No,

8:10

I thought I heard somebody at the door. That's a... I

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don't think... That's a weird thing to do,

8:15

is tap on a computer when you hear someone at the

8:17

door, wouldn't you say? I was pulling up

8:19

the security camera, because I can't see the door from here. I

8:21

didn't want to get up to look. Boop, boop, boop,

8:24

boop. Security alert. There's

8:26

an intruder in the house, and you know

8:28

he's come to lay some pipe, baby. That's

8:30

right. The spleen is coming

8:32

down. I've learned to split myself

8:35

in two, baby, and I'm playing a prank

8:37

on you. Oh yeah. Chef

8:40

Boyardee. We

8:43

got 62 minutes left. You think you can hold this off

8:45

for 62 more minutes? I definitely

8:47

don't think I can do it for 62 minutes, but

8:50

I feel like I can probably do it for at least

8:52

another 20 minutes. But the thing is, when

8:54

you're doing this voice, it just becomes hard

8:57

to actually think about what to say

8:59

and to do it all day, baby. I don't

9:01

know what we going to talk about, you know what

9:04

I'm saying? I

9:06

do. You kind of slipped a little bit into Big Copper,

9:08

too, which is, you know, maybe that can be

9:11

the next post we have. I

9:14

don't know who Big Copper is. I don't know what you're

9:16

talking about. That sounds like some jive

9:18

baloney, you know what I'm saying. You

9:22

come up with so many show titles here, too. I'm having trouble

9:24

keeping up. Oh, great. That's good. I

9:28

really don't. I mean, it's not like we had much

9:30

of a show anyway. So, you

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know, well,

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that was good. That was, what, four, 13 and a half minutes,

9:36

it looks like, based on the clock?

9:38

That was nine. We went through just

9:41

almost 10 minutes now since the theme's on and started. This

9:44

timer you have is a nonsense

9:46

timer. I will never... Timer's

9:50

a fucking liar. It's a troll. Okay.

9:53

So to explain what people, nobody

9:55

else can see this. This is just me and Timer. No, they

9:57

can see it. They're looking at me. Well, when I mess up, they can

9:59

see it, yeah. Okay,

10:01

I will put it on the stream so if you're watching this

10:06

in the video form, you can see what I'm talking about here. We

10:08

have this countdown timer that tells

10:11

us when the show ends. So it doesn't matter when

10:13

the show starts, the show always ends

10:15

at almost exactly the same time every week

10:17

when we're taping these live. So if the show

10:19

is before us run one on or we're not quite ready

10:21

or whatever, you get a little

10:23

bit shorter for shows as we try to end the show at the same

10:25

time. Yeah, because we

10:28

like that. What we like to do is absorb

10:30

the blows from the rest of the stream. It's like if someone else

10:36

causes problems, that's our problem.

10:39

We don't make problems for other shows. We just

10:41

deal with problems and absorb it and

10:43

we put up with it and we love it. Well,

10:47

we think about this. Yeah, go ahead. Any

10:49

other live show that airs before this also sort of has

10:51

to do with it too. It's just that they don't

10:54

pay attention. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

10:56

they don't. Right. The

10:59

weird thing about the timer and you can't hear this,

11:01

but it does the 24 beeps from

11:05

the show 24. Doop, doop,

11:08

doop. And so it's actually really

11:10

distracting. So I, you

11:14

know, but whatever. I got to trust Kevin

11:16

in his ways because that's what it

11:18

means to be the spleens. If you know what I'm

11:20

saying, baby.

11:25

What are we going to do? So what have you done this week? So

11:27

since we last talked, I got a job,

11:30

I got this new job. I don't know if I've talked

11:32

about it. I probably can't say much about it.

11:35

Other than that, I do a quality control

11:38

on a series of video files and

11:40

it's incredibly tedious.

11:43

It's not a

11:44

terrible job. There's a lot of downtime.

11:46

It's

11:47

a, that's

11:49

the thing is like, it's, it's

11:51

very familiar to when I was a personal assistant.

11:53

Cause when you're a personal assistant, there's

11:55

a lot of time you spend not doing anything and

11:58

then you go into action.

13:59

You know, um, speaking

14:02

of job, didn't I send you new podcast art? What happened

14:04

to the new podcast art? Oh,

14:08

it's up. Like the thing you're seeing didn't update,

14:10

but it got updated everywhere else. I think this

14:13

is on, it's on the podcast feed. We'll check out

14:15

the new podcast art. If you've been thinking

14:17

like, Oh, this podcast art is so boring.

14:19

It's just Spencer's head and it keeps getting bigger. Well,

14:21

wait till you see this one. It's all new, brand

14:24

new. I think it better represents kind

14:26

of where the show's at these days. Um,

14:28

so look for that in your pod catchers,

14:31

baby. Oh yeah. Um,

14:34

so yeah, I've been trying to lose weight. Uh,

14:36

it's been going okay.

14:38

I mean, it just,

14:40

I don't know. I've been weighing like, so

14:42

I did, I probably talked about this with

14:45

shrub, I think, right? But I've been weighing myself

14:47

every morning, uh, roughly the

14:49

same time and going out in the morning

14:51

and hiking or walking, um, been

14:54

counting all my calories and trying to

14:56

eat low calorie stuff. I haven't really

14:58

eaten fast food very much. Um,

15:02

counting calories, uh, not

15:05

eating anything. Been trying to hike

15:07

at night to or in the evening or

15:09

just kind of go walk. There's this place that's kind

15:11

of like the run up to the hike before you

15:14

actually get vertical. And, uh,

15:16

if it's too dark, I've been going around there

15:18

and just kind of walking back and forth. Although I

15:20

could probably just, uh, walk

15:22

around my neighborhood. It's like roughly the same thing,

15:25

but it feels different when you're, uh, actually

15:28

like it's not wilderness, but just kind

15:30

of like not in your neighborhood, if that makes sense. So

15:34

it's been working. I, uh, I'm like down 20

15:37

pounds and it's

15:39

been like two weeks. That's,

15:44

that's a tape worm. I think,

15:46

no, no, when you're 300 pounds, it's

15:48

easier to lose weight. But the other thing is a lot of

15:50

it's water weight and I just haven't eaten a lot

15:52

of salt or sugar. And so my water

15:54

related is pretty like bottomed out and that

15:56

can fluctuate like up to 15, 20 pounds easily. So,

16:00

you know, I'm kind of like at the bottom, but

16:02

you know, I'd love a tapeworm. Um, but

16:05

yeah, no, this, this happened last time too. But,

16:07

um, once you start, uh, once

16:10

you start getting down to like 250 or

16:12

whatever, then, then it takes like

16:15

a drastic slowdown. Although, you know, I don't

16:17

know, but you know, the other thing is,

16:19

uh, it's just the, you

16:21

could just see it like, again, waterway, it's a hard

16:23

thing to judge. But, um,

16:26

when I like, when I eat more

16:30

or even to my calorie allotments

16:33

or whatever, like my weight goes up and

16:35

it's like, uh, as soon as I

16:37

lose all this weight, it's just going to come back

16:39

like immediately and that sucks.

16:41

Um, it's weird, you know, um,

16:44

uh,

16:46

I got an Apple watch. I don't know if we

16:48

want to talk too detailed about

16:50

that, but the main thing is,

16:53

um, it counts calories, right? How,

16:55

how you burn calories. And,

16:57

um,

16:59

so, uh,

17:01

I've been setting it when I'm doing the hikes and

17:03

stuff and it'll say, like,

17:08

Oh, you burned a thousand calories today

17:11

when you do, you know, do both of your hikes

17:13

or whatever. And it's like, great,

17:16

but I don't believe it. And

17:18

then like, okay, so my calorie alarm, it's like 1800 or

17:20

less. Um, so

17:23

you'd think if you eat 1800

17:27

calories and you burn a thousand calories

17:30

according to the watch, well,

17:32

you'd still be like at a calorie deficit

17:34

and your weight would still go down. Right. But

17:37

it, it doesn't like if I eat right

17:39

at 1800, um, and burn calories, it

17:43

goes up about half a pound or

17:46

whatever the next day. So it's,

17:48

uh, it's weird. I'm

17:51

definitely burning less than the watch is

17:53

saying, but I don't know how

17:55

to actually judge it if that makes sense.

17:59

But.

17:59

But whatever. Also, there's

18:02

just ups and downs. I don't know. I

18:04

don't know. I think your body has natural rhythms. So

18:06

it's like maybe I'm just bumping into those. But

18:09

who knows? The thing is, weight loss, it happens

18:11

really quick. I

18:13

used to think, oh, you eat food.

18:16

And then over the course of a couple

18:19

days or whatever, then it translates

18:21

fat into fat. And

18:24

it adds to your weight. But it adds to your weight

18:26

really quick, within eight hours,

18:28

I want to say, of eating a food. It actually

18:31

affects your weight. So I

18:33

don't know how to judge it or whatever. But

18:35

hey, I don't know. I'd love a tapeworm.

18:38

I'd love to lose weight faster. But this

18:41

is working. I can't eat

18:43

anything that I like.

18:45

I mean, I can. It's just you can eat

18:47

two bites. A slice of pizza

18:50

is like 400 calories. And

18:53

so it's like, what? You buy a pizza

18:56

and you eat it over the course of like eight

18:58

days or four days. If

19:01

you only eat two slices of

19:03

pizza a day and then like a salad, that's not

19:05

eating. But I

19:08

talked to this guy, Joe, and he said that

19:10

he's been getting Trader Joe's yogurt. And

19:12

man, Trader Joe's yogurt is so fucking

19:14

good. I've never been like a yogurt fan.

19:17

I've eaten yogurt as like

19:20

a necessary thing. Like when I was like, oh,

19:22

you gotta eat yogurt or whatever. Trader

19:24

Joe's yogurt is so good. And it's cheap.

19:27

So was it Joe that you talked to, the Trader

19:29

Joe? Yeah. And

19:32

he was saying, you know what else is good? Everything.

19:35

Everything in the fucking store. I

19:37

feel like he might be getting some bad diet advice from

19:39

this guy. Yeah, but yogurt's

19:41

good. It's really

19:43

filling because it's fatty or whatever and

19:46

fat causes satiation. But

19:48

I don't know. You can't just eat yogurt.

19:51

I wish I could. But you can't.

19:53

I've been making chickpea salad. I

19:56

love chickpeas. Yeah, me too. Chickpeas

19:59

are like... I don't really like beans. I

20:01

don't hate beans anymore. I used to hate

20:03

beans and now I'm kinda like neutral

20:06

to negative about beans, but

20:09

yeah. But chickpeas are like kinda my

20:11

favorite. I don't know if you think, I guess

20:13

they're garbanzo beans, right? So they're beans.

20:16

And I used to make hummus and stuff and hummus is really good.

20:18

But yeah, chickpea salad is

20:21

great. Someone recommended chickpea salad. They said

20:23

that they got, like they could buy a tub of

20:25

chickpea salad at the store and you could

20:27

just eat one tub and that's basically

20:30

all you need to eat like all day because it's

20:32

just really filling. And I was

20:34

like, great. And so I went to all these stores and none

20:36

of them had chickpea salad. And I was like, well, fuck. And

20:38

then I looked it up and it turned out to be really easy to make.

20:40

So I've been making that. I get

20:43

two cans of chickpeas and

20:45

a cucumber and

20:47

an onion and a bell pepper.

20:49

And you can do tomatoes or whatever, but I don't like tomatoes,

20:52

so I didn't do that. And now you just chop

20:54

them all up and you mix them all together and

20:57

you add vinegar and soy sauce, not

20:59

soy sauce, sorry, olive oil. You could add

21:01

soy sauce. I've been wanting to try adding soy sauce. You

21:03

add some salt. You can add sugar if you want, other

21:05

spices. I've

21:07

been trying different stuff. I tried giardiniera. I

21:10

tried just putting some garlic. You know, on

21:12

TikTok, they call that jarred, pre-mince

21:14

garlic. They call it jarlick, which I think is really

21:17

funny. So I tried putting some jarlick

21:19

in there and it's been good. But you could

21:21

just do all these different variations.

21:23

It's been making me wanna make other pickles and stuff

21:26

and see if I can't add homemade pickles. It

21:28

would be cool to add pickled red onions

21:30

probably to it. But yeah,

21:33

just rice vinegar and it's good.

21:35

It just tastes really good. You don't need sugar,

21:37

but if you add sugar, man, it tastes

21:39

so fucking good. It tastes insane with

21:41

sugar. But yeah, it's really

21:43

good. And I fill up these two plastic,

21:46

where they're like quart-sized containers and then

21:49

you can just munch on one. You

21:51

need a little bit more than one of those a day,

21:53

but if you have one of those and then, I

21:55

don't know, I've been meal prepping breakfast burritos. So one

21:57

of those quarts and then like a meal

21:59

prep breakfast. This burrito you're pretty good and

22:01

that's like what 1400 calories, you

22:04

know, you can toss in another yogurt get to 16 But

22:07

you know it depends But yeah,

22:09

so that's that's what I've been doing. It takes a lot

22:12

of my mental energy But

22:14

that's the thing I feel like if I'm not like super

22:16

hardcore fixating in on it It's

22:18

just so easy to be like, oh, let's just get

22:20

this let's just get that and then you're fucking

22:23

off the wagon like so But

22:25

uh, yeah, I don't know. I want to join a

22:28

gym But it's

22:30

really scary to join the gym. I don't want to like scout

22:32

gyms and see what's a good gym stuff I like

22:35

go to one that has parking and that

22:37

isn't super busy because man a busy

22:39

gym is really intimidating I don't want to be you

22:42

know on a machine when someone

22:44

else is like I'm thinking about doing that machine

22:46

You know, I'm just gonna I would just leave Like

22:49

you would have worked with a trainer or do you just want to go

22:51

sit and lift what makes or something? Well,

22:54

I would like to work with a trainer just because I

22:56

think that's accountability Like I don't really

22:58

I think I can maybe trust myself

23:00

to go to a gym a little bit But

23:03

yeah in general I think I just wouldn't do

23:05

it without a trainer and certainly I don't really

23:07

know how to do exercises And even if you know how

23:09

to do the exercises like to make

23:12

sure you isolate and fire the right muscles is

23:14

like way Different like I used to there was

23:16

a time where I was working out and then like at

23:18

a point like way after I was Working out I

23:20

was like doing some of the same exercises But

23:23

I like actually learned how to fire the muscles correctly

23:25

and I was like, wow I've never

23:27

worked out in my life This is like completely

23:29

different when you're actually like residents

23:32

like you could do a plank, right? But then you could do a plank

23:34

where you're really like tightening your abs

23:36

and they just feel completely different, you

23:39

know So like it's

23:41

yeah, so I think I want no and I'm

23:43

afraid of hurting myself I'm so fat

23:46

that it's hard to do body weight stuff because it's

23:48

like relying on your you know for instance a push-up

23:50

is like relying on your arms and your wrists

23:52

and your back, but It

23:54

would be you know, you're starting with the 300

23:57

pounds weight, you

23:59

know, whereas if you start curling, you know,

24:01

like a five pound, then you can build up and then

24:03

you're not, you know, hurting yourself as opposed to starting

24:06

with, you know, your entire body weight. You know, maybe

24:08

if you're smaller, it's not as big of a deal, but as

24:10

a giant fat guy, like a lot of body weight

24:12

stuff is tough. Even planks are like,

24:15

man, I don't know if this is good for my wrist. I

24:17

used to, this was before I was so fat, but I used

24:19

to try and do pushups and I would, I

24:21

was doing pushups okay. Pushups are another one that

24:24

it's really easy to do very wrong. Although

24:26

there's a million types of pushups, so it's not like doing

24:29

a pushup wrong. It's kind

24:29

of just doing a different kind of pushup. But

24:32

uh, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, this is,

24:34

this has to be the least interesting thing we

24:36

could possibly talk about. Huh?

24:39

Actually, no, I'm kind of enjoying this. I, I, I don't

24:42

work out at all and I should. So

24:44

hearing you talk about it kind of motivates me a little bit. Yeah,

24:48

it's just, I really like hiking. It's fun.

24:50

Um, well it's fun when it's not hot. That's

24:53

the thing. It's California, so it's always fucking hot.

24:55

But lately we've had a bit of a cold spell and

24:57

it's nice to hike when it's like 50 out.

25:00

Um, cause I don't know about you,

25:02

but I, especially cause I'm fat, but

25:04

I like warm up really quick. Like within two

25:06

or three minutes I'm not cold like at all.

25:09

And then you're just warm out until your

25:11

workout ends and, and you're not feeling

25:13

like, Oh my God, I'm freezing to death. You're just

25:16

normal cause you're, you're hot. Um,

25:19

but yeah, it's nice. But

25:21

that's, that's what most of my mental energy

25:24

is doing these days. You know, I'm

25:27

really bad for my fast food review

25:30

video series that I've been doing on YouTube.

25:32

You could check it out. youtube.com slash

25:34

the six or I don't know if that's actually the right link

25:38

or whatever, but search the Sixler on YouTube

25:40

and you'll find my many fast food

25:42

reviews. Uh, but yeah,

25:45

it's fun. Do you think you could do a healthy

25:47

fast food series? Yeah,

25:50

but the thing is like, and this

25:53

is bad as a fast food reviewer.

25:56

That's what I am. I'm a fast food reviewer, but

25:58

I don't like reviewing. things that don't

26:01

appeal to me. So

26:03

there's new items that it's like, I don't want to order a new

26:05

item. It's like, oh, this is like new fish sandwich

26:08

or something. It's like, I don't want a fish sandwich. And

26:10

so I don't review it. I just don't

26:12

do a video. So it's not

26:15

as bad to do a

26:17

healthy thing, but the healthy stuff at fast food

26:19

restaurants is not very

26:22

appealing. So it's like, I don't know if I'd

26:24

want to get it just to do a video of it, if

26:26

that makes sense, although I could, but

26:29

it's also easier just to not eat fast food

26:32

than to like go and be like,

26:34

Oh, what can I do? Because also a lot of the healthy

26:36

fast food stuff is not like

26:38

super healthy. I don't know. Well, what

26:41

I would be interested in if you did

26:43

this would be like, for somebody who likes fast

26:45

food, what can I get at this place?

26:47

It's not terrible for me. Because that's, that's

26:50

always my problem is that I'm staring at the menu,

26:53

usually through a drive through and I'm like, I have no idea

26:55

what's not awful. You

26:57

know, what's gonna taste good,

26:59

what's not 2700 calories

27:02

per serving, you know, that kind of thing.

27:04

So if that's what you did, I would be all

27:07

over watching that. Yeah. And

27:09

I mean, there's a lot of it's just portion

27:11

control. Like McDonald's, most of the stuff you

27:13

can get at McDonald's are pretty, it's

27:15

pretty manageable. You just need one like you wouldn't

27:18

necessarily get two McDoubles, you'd get like

27:20

one McDouble, but then you eat one McDonald's

27:22

with double and you're still fucking hungry, like you might

27:24

as well get something that's actually

27:26

legitimately healthy. Like one of the healthier

27:28

things on the menu is the

27:31

oatmeal, like I think it's a breakfast item, but

27:33

McDonald's has oatmeal, but I've had the McDonald's

27:35

oatmeal. It's not very filling. Like you're better

27:37

off just like making oatmeal

27:40

yourself or doing something else, you

27:42

know, you find like

27:44

you succumb to the temptation, like the McDonald's, it's the

27:46

closest to me. Like

27:48

you can get a large fries or you can get their family

27:50

size basket of fries for like 20

27:53

cents more. So I'm

27:55

like family size basket of fries.

27:58

Yeah. They just started doing this recently too. It's

28:00

like, well, okay, it's only 20 cents more for

28:02

like three times the fries. I'd be an idiot not

28:04

to get that. So I do. And

28:07

then by the time I've made it home, I've eaten

28:09

the majority of that because you

28:11

know, you eat fries while you're driving it. They're the perfect

28:13

driving food. And then I feel

28:16

either too full to eat the actual meal that I bought

28:19

or I eat the meal anyway, and then I feel disgusting because

28:21

I ate a family size bastard

28:23

of fries plus my overeating

28:25

food, you know? Yeah. And

28:27

it happens to me with soda, but not fries.

28:30

If that makes sense. I kind of, well, I often

28:32

don't order fries a lot of times or I

28:35

even don't order combos, I just get a drink.

28:37

Um, but I will go for like the big drink

28:39

and man, soda is really bad. It's

28:42

been great not drinking soda,

28:44

but what were you going to say? Were you,

28:46

do you go for the, like,

28:48

if you're trying to lose weight, do you go for the diet sodas

28:51

or is that not? Well,

28:54

I mean, I really haven't. Uh, I

28:57

think it can work. Yeah. But, uh,

28:59

a lot, I don't know. I don't want to be like a diet

29:01

soda is bad kind of thing, but most

29:04

of the fake sugars have various

29:06

things like, uh, I don't know, like sucralose

29:09

is like related to, uh,

29:12

diabetes and it's like, Oh, I'm,

29:15

I'm doing this no sugar soda because

29:17

I don't want to get diabetes.

29:19

And then it's like, well, this causes it. So,

29:22

um, there's, there's a theory that I don't know

29:24

how to test it is, but there's a theory that,

29:26

uh, eating sweet

29:29

foods, even if it's fake sweetener still

29:32

like it, they bind to your taste

29:34

receptors for sweet and binding

29:36

to those taste receptors prime certain

29:38

hormones to accept, uh,

29:41

like fat translation or whatever

29:43

that like form fat cells. And

29:45

so like, I don't, it's not as it's different

29:47

than actually consuming calories, but

29:50

like it's still sending like the signals

29:52

to your body. I don't know what the vet necessarily

29:54

tested or whatever. And anytime you're talking about diet

29:57

stuff, it's really hard to do anything other than observational

29:59

studies, which. are not very conclusive,

30:01

because they at best

30:04

form a really tenuous correlation,

30:07

certainly don't do any causation. It's

30:11

more that I don't really like diet soda that

30:14

much, but I've had a couple diet sodas. I

30:16

was doing those power-aids, or not power-aids,

30:18

the Replenis Zero from 7-Eleven, and

30:20

that was really great, but I didn't realize that that's

30:23

sucralose. I thought it just had, there's potassium

30:25

asisulfame, sulfamy or something

30:28

like that, and that's fine apparently

30:30

for you, it's not bad for you, but sucralose

30:32

is not super good for you. So

30:34

when I found out that it was sucralose, I

30:37

hadn't really been drinking it very much. I would

30:39

drink one or two of those a day, and now I basically

30:42

am not drinking it. In

30:45

the past, I've done it too, but when I'm

30:47

trying to lose weight and stuff, and I live in my car, I

30:49

have a room, don't get me wrong, but I

30:51

do a lot of car life. I

30:56

would go to 7-Eleven and get their giant

30:59

gallon jugs of water, just because 7-Eleven, I

31:01

think they have the best water, like the 7-Eleven

31:04

brand water. I don't like Arrowhead,

31:06

I don't like Crystal Geyser. Most of the waters

31:08

I think are pretty bad. Smart water is expensive.

31:11

That's the other thing, is the decent bottled waters are

31:13

pretty expensive. So the

31:16

balance for me has been the 7-Eleven water,

31:18

I think it's just really good. And then when I

31:20

would get fast food, I would just get an item or

31:22

whatever, and then I drink the water and the jug

31:24

in my car. And so I've been

31:26

doing that, it's just getting more of these jugs of water,

31:29

which is great. Water is good, I like

31:32

water. There's some people that don't like water,

31:34

and it's like, man, that's gotta suck. I have a

31:36

friend who, he says if he drinks

31:39

a glass of water, or more than a glass

31:41

of water, he feels gross, physically

31:43

ill, and it's like, oh boy, that's

31:47

not good. Because I love chugging water. Drink

31:49

a lot of water, folks. If you're healthy,

31:52

that means you have to pee constantly. That's

31:54

what health is, apparently. Just

31:57

constantly pee. So

32:01

I haven't really talked about the therapy

32:03

because we've had guests and other stuff come up but

32:07

I actually stopped seeing

32:10

my therapist. So

32:12

I've been going to this EMDR therapist

32:14

I talked about a little bit but based

32:17

on bilateral stimulation of your brain

32:20

and we learn tapping and then we

32:22

do the desensitization

32:26

kind of therapy which is really

32:29

strange. That's why I don't think I talked about

32:31

it but basically you tell her

32:33

like in very broad strokes like what

32:36

your trauma is or what you're upset about

32:38

or what kind of negative cycles of thoughts

32:40

you're having and then she

32:43

gives you... There's

32:46

different forms of these EMDR

32:49

devices but

32:51

the one I was using are headphones

32:54

that are connected to like what's essentially a walkman

32:56

that just make it beeps on either side of

32:58

the cups. So it's like a beep on the left

33:02

and a beep on the right. It goes beep beep

33:05

beep and then she can turn

33:07

up the speed or turn it down and

33:09

so when we were just kind of doing more meditationy

33:12

stuff it's like pretty slow it's like beep

33:15

beep but then when you're

33:17

doing the desensitization stuff it turns

33:19

up pretty fast like beep beep beep

33:21

beep and so it's in one

33:24

ear and then the other and then the one and then the other

33:26

and so she wants

33:28

you to like sit in your negative

33:31

feelings and like try and like relive

33:34

kind of to an extent like throw put yourself back

33:36

in like the mindset or the trauma or whatever

33:39

and then she'll start the beeps and

33:42

you'll just essentially be thinking

33:44

about it you know like you're thinking about

33:46

you know how everybody

33:49

hates you and no one will ever love you and stuff

33:51

and then the beeps

33:54

are happening and you're like man this sucks I

33:56

hate everything I hate myself this sucks and

33:59

but the thing is the beep They kind of are

34:01

distracting if that makes sense and

34:04

I don't know if that's how it's supposed to work But it's like

34:06

you're trying to have this negative train of thought

34:08

but the beeps are kind of interrupting it

34:11

a little bit and and

34:13

so they go the beeps go for like 30

34:16

seconds or so and then she stops

34:18

them and she says, okay, like Where's

34:22

your mind at or what are you thinking or whatever? I don't know

34:24

exactly and then so then you say

34:27

out loud like oh I was just

34:29

thinking about how no one will ever love me and

34:31

then she'll say go with that and then

34:34

so you'll think about That for a while and

34:36

then your mind will kind of wander a little bit and

34:38

then she'll stop it after three more seconds And

34:40

she says, you know, what are you what's on your mind

34:42

or whatever? Then you say like oh, I

34:45

just like I hate myself and then she's like

34:47

go with that but like It

34:49

just keeps happening every 30 seconds She's like what's

34:51

up But then you say what you're exactly like what you're

34:53

thinking or whatever what you've been thinking and then she

34:55

says go with that and then you do it for I don't

34:57

know like 30 or 40 minutes and I

35:01

don't know the thing is like I Like

35:04

to I'm like a people pleaser to an extent.

35:06

I like to Do

35:09

my job like I like to perform and

35:11

fulfill expectations So I don't

35:13

know like how much I'm like doing it To

35:16

like make like a happy ending or whatever

35:19

But generally speaking towards the end

35:21

of the session your thoughts would just

35:23

be a lot less negative Like you wouldn't

35:26

be like you have to start you'd be kind of more

35:28

dwelling in it but as the beeps are

35:30

like interrupting you it kind of pushes you away

35:32

from continuing this kind of negative spiral

35:35

of thought and Then

35:37

you just have like more constructive

35:40

thoughts or more neutral thoughts You know

35:42

Like one of the things is like I was trying it

35:44

like it would go like oh I hate myself to what's

35:46

wrong with me So I'm fucked up and it's like

35:49

why am I fucked up? I'm fucked up because I don't

35:51

do this and that and this and why don't you

35:53

do this and that and this and it's like Oh because I feel

35:55

like my parents were forcing me to do this and

35:57

like and well how that make you feel and it's

35:59

like I felt like I was fucked up because my parents

36:01

were kind of projecting the idea

36:04

that I was wrong and I was fucked up, you know, even

36:06

as a little kid, it's like, oh, they're clearly

36:08

seeing this problem. That means I must be fucked

36:10

up because the way they're acting is they're acting

36:13

like there's some huge problem and I'm just being

36:15

myself. And then that got me thinking like,

36:17

oh, it's interesting because like,

36:20

if I saw someone else that was doing those

36:22

same things, I wouldn't think like, wow, that person's

36:24

fucked up. I would be like, oh, that person's preference

36:27

is not to do this sort of stuff. You

36:29

know, so like, if I stopped judging myself

36:31

by this like image projected by my parents

36:33

and start judging myself on a more like

36:36

objective metric, it's not that

36:38

it's fucked up, it's that you just have this preference

36:41

and it's, it would be harmful to

36:43

then convey that you think the

36:45

person is fucked up just because they have this predilection

36:48

or whatever, you know. And so that, like,

36:50

that's the thing is like you start just by spiraling

36:53

and it kind of starts, you kind of start, your thoughts

36:55

start meandering. And, or at least for

36:57

me, like, I don't know if other people feel like this,

36:59

but for me it kind of felt like it would naturally

37:01

move to like a more, a place of more understanding

37:04

and stuff. And so

37:06

yeah, it usually felt better, but like

37:08

I said, I'm like a people pleaser. So I'm not sure if

37:11

I kind of did that as an arc myself

37:13

to kind of like present to

37:15

the therapist. Look, we ended the session

37:17

and I'm having all these positive thoughts. You know, I

37:20

don't, it's hard to say, but I

37:22

will say that like after the first couple of sessions,

37:24

I was feeling a lot better. And yeah, I

37:27

think like I was, I was feeling

37:29

a lot better. I was having a lot less negative spirals.

37:34

But also I think there's just a time in my

37:36

life that it wasn't super taxing,

37:38

if that makes sense. There wasn't a lot of terrible things

37:40

going wrong. So

37:43

like it felt really good, but it also

37:45

might have just been because I was kind of like on

37:47

an upswing, if you will. And since

37:50

then I've had more like downturns.

37:52

And when I have downturns, my thoughts kind of

37:54

still do that same thing, but I will say

37:57

they kind of spiral again, but I will say

37:59

that the spiral. they don't feel as intense

38:01

and they don't feel as all-consuming as they

38:03

once did. They feel a lot more manageable.

38:07

So basically, we went

38:09

through all these big kind of traumas

38:12

and big negative dark

38:14

clusters or whatever in my brain. Through

38:17

the therapist, we got through basically everything

38:19

and then

38:21

I was like, I just kind of want to, it's not

38:23

very talky. It's not like you're talking

38:26

to your therapist and your therapist is talking back. It's

38:28

like you're just doing this kind of series

38:31

of steps with the beeping and the saying and the 30

38:33

seconds and the continue. So I came in

38:35

and because she's also, at least she's

38:38

trained as a psychiatrist

38:40

or not a talk therapist. But

38:43

I don't know if she actually does that very much. So I

38:45

was kind of saying that I just wanted to talk about stuff.

38:48

And so we did a couple sessions where we were just talking

38:50

about stuff. But at the end of one of them, at

38:52

the end of the last one, she was like, well, you seem

38:55

fine. You don't seem like, you

38:58

know, if there's nothing more that you want to tackle EMDR

39:00

wise, like it seems like you're in a good place.

39:03

You know what you're doing. You have plans.

39:05

You've got a job. You've got hobbies and stuff. You've got friends,

39:07

et cetera. And so, you know, maybe you

39:09

could just call me if you ever need me

39:11

again, but you might be good. And

39:14

I was like, I wasn't really expecting

39:16

that. I was kind of hoping to like keep going. But

39:19

I was like, OK, yeah,

39:21

sure, whatever. So I haven't been

39:23

in a couple of weeks and there

39:25

is sometimes that I had some bad

39:28

stuff happen. I was feeling pretty bummed out and

39:30

I was like, oh, I should go back. And then I was like, well, let's

39:32

just see what's sitting with

39:35

this shit for a couple of weeks is like, you

39:37

know. And then if I'm still fucked over

39:39

about it, then they'll contact her or whatever. And

39:42

so since then, it was, you

39:44

know, it has felt bad. It's

39:46

not like that. The thing is, I kind of want

39:48

it to be brainwashing, you know, I kind

39:51

of want it to be like hypnosis. Hypnosis

39:53

where you're like just fine all the time and

39:55

nothing's ever wrong. But it's not like

39:57

that. You know, it's just kind

39:59

of decent. sensitization a little bit. So,

40:02

you know, I've had some tough times.

40:04

It's not been super fun. But

40:06

at the end of the, you know, like I said, it's been like

40:09

what, two weeks or whatever. And I do feel

40:11

like kind of over that. Like

40:13

I'm like, okay, now I'm kind of

40:15

feeling back to closer to neutral and it doesn't

40:18

feel overwhelming and bad. And

40:20

it was cool. Like I just got through it and it wasn't

40:23

like, you know, the end of the world or

40:25

whatever. So I don't know.

40:27

I kind of feel like I want to go back at some point

40:29

or maybe get a proper talk therapist

40:31

or something. But I'm

40:34

feeling pretty good overall. I was

40:36

thinking that it would be, that's the thing is like the

40:39

therapist costs a lot of money. So like

40:41

with all that money, I could probably hire

40:43

a trainer for, you know, several sessions

40:46

for the same money and that might help me

40:48

more or something, you know. So that's

40:50

what I've been thinking about doing. That's why I've been trying to think

40:52

about going to a gym and stuff. But it's

40:54

really interesting stuff. I did

40:56

not expect to, you know, I've been

40:58

saying graduate. I don't think she said that, but I

41:01

didn't expect to like graduate so

41:04

quickly. But you know, I don't

41:06

have like big traumas. Like my shit's

41:08

not that bad. So

41:10

I imagine people with more

41:13

intense shit that they've lived through, they probably

41:15

need a lot more sessions or whatever than I did. And

41:18

maybe, you know,

41:21

she also, what do you call

41:23

it? She does like payment scaling

41:25

or whatever if you need like

41:27

financial help or whatever. So she was charging

41:30

me like half her normal rate. So like in

41:32

the back of my mind, I'm like, well, she kind

41:34

of probably would like rather have a client

41:36

that charges, that she could charge full

41:38

rate, you know. So I don't know. But

41:41

hey, I got a lot out of it. I

41:44

don't know what to think of it now that I'm not going. It seems

41:46

kind of weird, but I feel pretty good.

41:48

I don't know. So that's that.

41:52

Any questions? What's

41:56

your goal with going to therapy? Like do you want to go to therapy

41:59

as a continuing thing just to be able to let

42:01

off steam and have someone that you can

42:03

confide in and things like that and go through these

42:05

treatments like this or are you looking

42:08

to develop a tool yourself so that you don't need

42:11

that in the future? Well

42:13

I mean I think I think it's both. I think

42:16

there's an extent that I just want a therapist to talk

42:18

to but also I don't know that I need a therapist

42:20

just to talk to. I feel like I

42:22

can just talk to people or whatever

42:24

but you know there's got to be stuff that

42:27

I'm missing but like that

42:29

someone else would be able to help me and I think that

42:32

would be good to go to a therapist for

42:34

but I

42:35

don't

42:37

know man. It's

42:39

just hard. It's hard to find a therapist

42:41

and one that takes you know your insurance

42:43

and whatever and I'm on Medi-Cal so that makes

42:45

it even harder because that's

42:48

not even like real insurance but Medi-Cal is pretty cool.

42:51

You know they

42:52

got to spend more on

42:55

socialized medicine but Medi-Cal

42:57

has been surprisingly manageable

42:59

for being you know a

43:02

California provided

43:05

socialized medicine sort of plan

43:07

you know it works pretty well I guess. Although

43:10

I haven't had anything serious happen maybe we'll

43:12

find the faults of it.

43:15

What else? What else? Okay

43:20

I got a question for you Kevin. No

43:23

no you go. I've

43:25

tried therapy before and every

43:27

time you know I guess I'm a very private

43:29

person I don't like you

43:33

know I don't like talking about myself at the best of times

43:36

and I especially don't want to

43:38

to a total stranger

43:40

just reveal my problems like I know some people it's very liberating

43:43

and that's very just their future in its own

43:45

is just hey this person who knows nothing about me is

43:48

gonna listen but to me it just

43:50

felt so invasive and like

43:53

I don't know I have trouble

43:55

I guess

43:57

articulating why it was such.

44:00

a big deal for me, but it

44:02

was something that I just could not do. Like,

44:04

you know, and if I forced myself to do it, I would feel

44:07

like almost dirty afterwards of just like,

44:09

you know, this was just this violating experience

44:11

I had. And I don't know if that's just a quirk

44:13

or my personality, or if I'm doing

44:16

it wrong or if it gets better or what, but do

44:18

you ever have those feelings or is that, is

44:20

that just a Kevin problem? I

44:22

mean, I think I have a version of that,

44:25

but it seems like your thing is specific.

44:28

I think you have to have a good relationship with your therapist.

44:30

I think if you have a, like a trust,

44:33

a built up trust between you, it gets easier

44:36

to kind of let off steam and stuff.

44:38

But yeah, the thing is for me, I really,

44:41

uh, you know, I've always been on the

44:43

internet since a kid and I really don't have a problem

44:45

like telling random internet people what's going

44:47

on in my life. Like even probably to

44:49

a fault, like it's probably a problem that

44:51

I'm so comfortable with it, but you know,

44:53

it feels fake, although it's especially

44:56

as you become more of a public figure, it's a lot

44:58

more real to like dump stuff on the internet

45:00

strangers, you know, but it kind of felt

45:02

like you're just shooting it out into the void and it's

45:04

like, what's, what's going to happen? I was just going to,

45:06

you know, get sucked up into the sun and get burnt up

45:09

or whatever, but I've definitely with therapists

45:11

specifically, I've had therapists where it's like,

45:13

well, I want to present

45:15

myself in a positive light. I

45:18

don't want to like

45:21

talk about the fault that I have

45:23

in situations, even though I know like the fault

45:25

I have in those situations, I don't want to reveal that

45:27

to my therapist. I want to, I want to make myself

45:29

look good and paint everyone out.

45:31

Like paint myself as a victim of all these evil

45:34

people. And if your approach is that

45:37

you're not going to get a lot of help,

45:39

you know, that's again, why the trust comes in.

45:41

You have to be able to really open up and

45:44

talk about like anything, uh, that

45:47

comes, you know, that, that could be helpful

45:50

for them to understand what's going on in your head. And

45:52

if you can't do that, I think you're vastly restricts,

45:55

but, uh, what good you can come out

45:57

of it. Well, though, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Um,

45:59

I'm sure. you know, there's a way to

46:01

do it where you

46:03

know you friend like in your case like

46:06

maybe you could just reveal very little

46:08

for a long time and then over time you might

46:10

feel more comfortable revealing a bit more and then eventually

46:13

you get somewhere I don't know but

46:15

you know that so that's kind of my version of

46:17

that if that makes sense

46:19

yeah I guess I don't know I'm I'm this

46:21

weird hermity kind of Breck

46:23

loose where it's like okay I've known you

46:26

three years now I can maybe

46:28

let you in a little bit and that's

46:32

really hard to go with some of the sure pain

46:34

or get those amount of money to every week to

46:36

sit there for an hour with you know and

46:39

that was I just never could get past that and I also

46:42

sort of felt like I was paying someone just to tell me things

46:44

I already knew you know like yeah I know that's

46:47

my problem I know that's you know and you're

46:49

not you're not telling me anything I didn't already hear

46:51

in my head yeah you know yeah

46:53

that's how I feel a lot of times that's again I

46:56

think if you have a better relationship with your therapist

46:58

so maybe you're going to like the wrong therapist but

47:00

I've definitely had that same experience it's like

47:02

I don't just want you to tell me the shit

47:05

I've been thinking the whole time like I know

47:07

that I want you to like reveal things

47:09

that I wasn't aware of that'll help me

47:11

like look at things in a different light or something

47:13

when they're just like yeah yeah yeah

47:17

I'm not trying to invalidate what you take away from it by leader I'm

47:19

not trying to say like you know this is wrong cuz I don't like

47:21

it I just I'm trying to figure out what it is I'm missing

47:23

from the process you know no you

47:25

can't you can't hide it you're saying it's wrong

47:28

Kevin's anti-therapy and he thinks

47:30

that everyone who goes as a sucker who just

47:32

wants to give give money to the

47:34

man I'll tell you this I'm a psychologist

47:36

that's my problem yeah Warner Herzog

47:39

he he's he's he's anti-therapy

47:42

he's anti psychotherapy and he

47:44

said he

47:46

said that

47:49

psychotherapy is illuminating

47:51

the mind and in that sense it's

47:53

kind of like if you just had lamps

47:56

on really bright everywhere in your house

47:59

so there's

47:59

a like no darkness anywhere,

48:02

it's like no, sometimes you need darkness.

48:04

There's stuff that's good that it's not fully

48:07

revealed. Like once you know every single

48:09

thing that's going on in your mind, like

48:12

it's, now you can't like

48:15

deny any of it. You just drive yourself

48:17

insane with the knowledge of what

48:19

you are inside, you know, which

48:21

I don't necessarily agree with, but I kinda,

48:24

I think it's an interesting take at the very least. And

48:27

I do think there are people

48:29

who don't necessarily have a very

48:32

strong drive to better

48:35

themselves. And I think for people like

48:37

that, learning a lot about themselves

48:39

isn't necessarily gonna lead to

48:41

growth. It could lead to them kind

48:43

of losing it and going crazy, or

48:46

it could lead to them like becoming more

48:48

effective at being bad people, if

48:50

that makes sense. So

48:53

I don't know, I think overall he's probably

48:55

wrong, but also there's more forms of therapy

48:57

than kind of the therapy he was kind of talking

49:00

about as being bad, so I don't know. Anyway,

49:03

I got

49:04

a question for you, Kevin. And this is kind of like

49:06

therapy if you think about it.

49:08

How do you tell someone that

49:11

most of the thoughts that they have

49:13

and most of the things that they say all

49:16

just suck really bad?

49:19

Can you be a little bit more specific? Like what

49:21

sucks about all of it?

49:23

It's just bad. Like, I don't know,

49:25

you know, like for Donald Trump, for

49:27

instance, like nothing he

49:29

says is good. Like it's

49:31

all bad. Like it's just everything that comes

49:34

out, it sucks. So like, how

49:36

would you tell him like, hey

49:38

man, your brain

49:40

is broken and all the things you do and say

49:43

are just bad. I wish

49:45

you knew that so you could stop

49:48

or like...

49:49

Well, the thing is I...

49:51

Yeah, go ahead.

49:52

I think most people in that situation either

49:55

already know that and do not care.

49:59

they're still oblivious that even if you slap them in the face

50:02

of it, they're going to think you're wrong or jealous

50:04

or not getting it or don't

50:06

understand their genius or something like

50:08

that. Like, that's, it's really hard

50:11

to convince somebody that they are the bad guy because,

50:13

like, you know, I really believe

50:15

that, like, you know, in everybody's own movie

50:18

about their life, no one is ever the bad guy.

50:21

No one is ever the idiot that gets killed

50:23

first, you know, running away from the killer. Nobody

50:26

is ever the villain.

50:29

So giving people evidence

50:31

that contradicts that,

50:33

I found is one of the hardest things to get

50:35

through to somebody, you know, like trying to tell somebody,

50:37

no, you're not the

50:39

main character here. You're

50:42

not the person you think you are. People

50:45

tend to just not listen to that. They

50:47

don't want to hear it. And even if deep

50:49

down they kind of acknowledge it, your

50:52

gut instinct is just back away from that immediately

50:54

recoil of like, no, that's not

50:56

right. So I think without

50:58

more content, I can't give you more specifics,

51:00

but I just know that's an uphill battle.

51:02

Yeah, I think like, I guess my

51:05

version was maybe a bit more optimistic,

51:07

but like, it's what you're saying is probably like

51:09

a more brutal real truth. But I was

51:11

thinking like, well, you tell them that what they

51:14

say sucks, but it's like, it's still that's their brain.

51:16

They still are still going to pop

51:18

out like bad stuff. So then

51:21

it'll pop out something and then they'll

51:23

go like, oh, wait, this sucks. This is bad.

51:25

I'm a bad person. I hate myself. This

51:28

sucks. Now I'm feeling

51:30

bad. And then

51:31

the next thing that they come out with will just

51:33

be still bad. It won't like become better

51:36

by them knowing it sucks. Does that make sense?

51:39

I don't know. Anyway, I

51:41

think Subway is doing a promotion where if you change

51:44

your name to Subway, you get free sandwiches. I

51:46

think it could be good if I changed my name to Subway.

51:48

And what do you think?

51:49

Was this the dumb idea that you wanted to tell Subway

51:51

and you don't think they're going

51:54

to acknowledge it?

51:55

No, no. This is like

51:57

a thing I saw on the news that they'll give you. sandwiches

52:00

for life or something like that. And it's like,

52:02

man, I could subway Crittenden,

52:05

it's like a pretty good name. You know,

52:07

I mean, I'm not gonna lie. That does sound

52:09

really cool. If it wasn't about the restaurant,

52:12

I just think that way itself has gotten it. They

52:15

have gotten themselves into so many unforced

52:18

errors in their, you know, uh,

52:21

their, their blonde history that

52:23

I can't imagine being associated

52:25

with subway is not going to put

52:28

you along the same lines as Jared in

52:30

people's minds now. Yeah. And subway

52:32

is pleasure. Like they used to be kind of like,

52:35

I guess back before Jared got arrested

52:37

or whatever. Fuck. Subway used to be

52:39

seen as like a more okay place.

52:42

And now everyone's like fucking subway. It's like Arby's

52:44

in people's mind. It's like the lowest common

52:47

fucking shit. No one ever wants to eat subway, et

52:49

cetera. Or it just didn't used to seem like

52:51

that. So yeah, speaking of unforced

52:53

errors, you hear this is horrible, but there

52:56

is a teenager that died drinking this

52:58

Panera bread, um, caffeinated

53:01

lemonade. Panera bread had this caffeinated lemonade

53:04

that had so much caffeine, like

53:06

really, really high levels

53:08

of caffeine. And they offered free

53:11

refills, but it's like, first of all, they

53:13

shouldn't like, it's more than like energy drinks.

53:15

I think like it was like a dangerous amount

53:17

of caffeine, and then you get refills and this kid

53:19

was drinking it and they died and it's horrible. And

53:22

it's like, man, Panera bread,

53:24

you don't need that much caffeine to make caffeinated

53:26

lemonade. It's like you could do very

53:29

little and it would be fine. Like, cause

53:31

people aren't drinking a bunch of soda and then dying,

53:34

you know, so like even Mountain Dew, it's like,

53:36

that doesn't happen. Like, so it's like

53:38

you're, you're making something that is

53:40

generously in the same ballpark as

53:42

Mountain Dew. You don't need to make it way,

53:44

way more caffeinated than that. It's

53:47

a caffeine. It's a poison. Like the

53:49

lethal dose of caffeine is, you know, it's,

53:52

it's, it exists. You know, it's not, it's horrible.

53:54

Uh,

53:56

anyway, nothing worse about

53:58

that. Was she, did she know? I know she had

54:00

a caffeine intolerance, I just didn't

54:03

realize that lemonade had caffeine in it there,

54:05

or was this just a total, I read the story but I don't remember

54:07

the details of it. I can understand

54:09

going into Panera, them

54:14

handing you a cup and you're going, ooh lemonade, filling it

54:16

up without even realizing that there is

54:19

eight cups of coffee worth of caffeine in there and

54:21

not knowing. When

54:24

I was much younger,

54:26

I'm gonna say maybe nine, 10 years old,

54:30

if

54:31

I drank even a little bit of caffeine,

54:34

I had all kinds of problems. I would

54:36

sweat, I would, I could feel

54:39

the heart, it felt like my heart was hitting my rib

54:41

cage. I

54:45

would be convinced, it's like just drinking

54:47

caffeine. That would happen to me when I was a kid.

54:50

And then somehow I grew out of that. So

54:52

I could totally get that if she had that

54:54

condition and just went, oh lemonade, that's

54:57

harmless and took some. But

54:59

I can't imagine the amount that would be in

55:02

caffeine could kill a person

55:04

who didn't already have a problem.

55:06

You know? Well, let's

55:08

see, how much caffeine, how much caffeine

55:11

is in a coke? 34 milligrams

55:17

in a coke. Let's see, cup of

55:19

coffee, cup

55:21

of coffee.

55:23

It's 95 milligrams. So

55:26

I wanna say is in

55:28

Panera bread charged lemonade.

55:35

Okay, so what did we just say? 35 is

55:37

in a coke, 90 is in a cup of coffee, 390 milligrams

55:45

is in charged lemonade. That's just too

55:48

much. That's

55:50

over four cups of coffee.

55:53

That is a lot. Yeah, no, that's

55:55

an obscene amount. That's literally,

55:58

even for one cup if you didn't do. feels

56:00

like that's not a healthy dose.

56:02

I have

56:04

to imagine though that if you're drinking

56:07

that but did you try it because they pulled

56:14

that

56:18

after this didn't they? Didn't they?

56:21

I didn't try it. It was something I wanted to try

56:23

but um. I just I know

56:25

caffeine tastes kind of like sucking on aspirin

56:28

like I can't imagine that would taste good. Yeah it's bitter. Unless

56:31

they put so much sugar in it that it was

56:33

almost a syrup

56:34

which I guess maybe lemonade kind of is. Yeah

56:36

lemonade is a syrup.

56:39

Um.

56:41

I'm not really finding anything. Oh look

56:44

this says a lethal well

56:46

this is per liter so I don't know. Um it

56:50

says this says that I'm not really looking

56:53

into too much. It's a 180 milligrams

56:56

per liter of blood is a

56:59

lethal dose so how many how many liters

57:01

does a person have in their blood? Um

57:03

how many

57:05

how many liters

57:08

of blood in the human body? Just

57:10

googling stuff five liters. So yeah

57:13

no that's you have three of those

57:15

that's like getting to a toxic dose and

57:17

I don't think three lemonade is very

57:19

unreasonable you know because it's lemonade

57:22

and I think like right don't necessarily and even

57:24

if they're saying it's caffeinated I don't think you're thinking

57:27

oh 390 milligrams

57:29

in one thing and also you know if

57:31

you get a large I don't know what they're doing for sizes or

57:33

whatever but like you know 12

57:35

ounces is like a serving of a

57:37

beverage usually and then you can get like a like

57:40

a 20 or 30 ounce beverage you

57:42

know so it's like this is just vastly

57:44

irresponsible it's hard to see any anything

57:46

around it you know. It is it is

57:49

it seemed crazy that Panera

57:51

pulled that too because I would never think of Panera

57:54

is go there and get an energy drink.

57:56

Yeah and it's just I think energy

57:58

drinks have way less anyway. So

58:01

just really quick, we should break into emails,

58:04

but just really quick, I wrote down a dream

58:06

in my podcast notes that I have. It's

58:10

just an interesting, I don't know. I

58:13

had a dream that I was at Starburns and a bunch

58:15

of famous music artists were recording music

58:17

in the booth. Like literally it was Drake

58:20

and DJ Khaled was there. And

58:22

there was someone who was there, like one of the rappers,

58:24

but it wasn't one of them. I don't think it

58:27

was like a different rapper who was there. And he

58:29

was saying that he played magic and he was

58:31

talking about how he had a cool car. And

58:33

for some reason, my dad was there at Starburns

58:35

and my dad was like, no, you don't. You don't have

58:37

a cool car. And then the guy was

58:39

like, what the fuck are you

58:40

talking about? And I got so embarrassed.

58:43

I tried to shut my dad up by biting his

58:45

tongue, which

58:48

you shouldn't bite someone's tongue, not even in a dream. But

58:50

I was like, man, this is some symbolic

58:53

ass shit. And if you

58:55

want me to interpret

58:57

your dream, send us an email. That

59:00

happens pod at gmail.com. Maybe we'll

59:03

read your email. It would be cool

59:05

if someone had a cool dream that they want interpreted. I

59:08

just, whatever. I'm

59:10

being too cynical, but it would suck if some

59:12

people were like, I want to be on the podcast. Let me just

59:14

make up a stupid, crazy dream so people will want

59:16

to talk to me. But it would be cool

59:18

to have like, you know, get someone to join the Zoom

59:21

and then we talk to them about

59:22

their dream and try to interpret it. You know,

59:24

that could be fun. But anyway,

59:26

let's read an email.

59:30

OK, Dalton writes, Hey, Spencer and Kevin,

59:32

I had this idea earlier today and was

59:34

just re-listening to the episode Side

59:36

Characterize, where Spencer said to Jeff, I hand

59:38

deliver my mail when it's to you. So

59:40

that was the sign from the universe that I need to share this idea

59:42

with you. What if we, the audience,

59:45

wrote letters to Jeff, but we obviously can't

59:47

send them because we don't have his address as we should. We

59:49

all know Kevin does. So what if we send the letters

59:52

in the form of emails and then they get handwritten

59:54

by either Spencer or Kevin and then physically

59:56

sent to Jeff on our behalf? I just a weird thought

59:58

I had. don't like it, that's okay. Thanks

1:00:01

Dalton for the email.

1:00:04

I don't know. I'm

1:00:08

imagining an email that you would write

1:00:10

that you want to be delivered to Jeff. I'm

1:00:12

not thinking anything good. I'm not imagining

1:00:15

something where Jeff would read it and be like,

1:00:17

oh this is good. I'm glad I read this. I'm

1:00:19

glad this was given to me. So

1:00:22

I mean there's a version of what we could do

1:00:24

it. You know it would be more interesting is

1:00:27

if you sent us

1:00:28

letters to Jeff and we just read them on

1:00:31

the podcast and it's just dear Jeff

1:00:33

and then you know we just read it you know I kind of

1:00:35

like that. Also it's less work

1:00:37

for me that way you know.

1:00:39

Handwriting the letter that's a lot of work but

1:00:42

I do like that idea. Thanks Dalton and keep

1:00:44

emailing us.

1:00:47

This one looks more. You got anything to

1:00:49

say about that one?

1:00:52

I mean I like the idea of letters

1:00:56

to Jeff. You know maybe we could all write a letter

1:00:58

to Jeff and read them on the air next

1:01:00

week and see if he'll ever come

1:01:02

back or not.

1:01:03

Yeah that

1:01:04

would be cool. Also there's

1:01:06

also like a way it's like I was just kind

1:01:08

of imagining if it's like a letter to Jeff where

1:01:11

it's like this kind of wistful like Civil

1:01:13

War era kind of like storytelling

1:01:15

letter you know. I don't know we'd have to kind

1:01:17

of like figure out what the actual vibe

1:01:20

of it is but that would be something. This

1:01:22

is Aaron Rice,

1:01:24

hey Spencer and Kevin and just so you know Kevin this is

1:01:26

more of an email to you. Okay.

1:01:29

Just a quick note that you've probably been alerted to but

1:01:31

a couple audio episodes of the podcast aren't available

1:01:34

including the most recent one Water is Dope and

1:01:37

man why is ham so salty. My podcast

1:01:39

app can't download it and if I load the RSS

1:01:41

feed directly or try from the website I get a 404 not

1:01:44

found. I enjoy watching the videos and live

1:01:46

stream but rarely have time so the audio version

1:01:48

is preferred. Also one tiny little thing is

1:01:51

that the podcast art shows up super

1:01:53

low-res in Google Podcasts. Looking at your RSS

1:01:55

file it seems to be because you only have a 3232 image

1:01:58

tagged in there. I'm sure Kevin has to

1:02:00

know how to get this updated. And I know you're very leery

1:02:02

of anyone offering their help, but if you need a quick

1:02:04

hand with this, just let me know. I know you're riddled

1:02:07

with angst about the purpose and format of the show, but

1:02:09

as others told you, I enjoy

1:02:11

listening to you ramble and rant. Keep up the good work

1:02:13

or don't, I'm not your supervisor. Aaron, is

1:02:16

this making any sense to you?

1:02:17

I will look into that.

1:02:22

This is the first I've heard of this problem,

1:02:24

but I will definitely look into that as

1:02:27

soon as we're off recording this. Yeah,

1:02:29

and I have Apple Podcasts, but I listen

1:02:31

to those ones, like that one. I'm like

1:02:33

the only podcaster that listens to his own

1:02:36

podcast episodes. Like almost every podcast

1:02:38

host is like, I can't listen to my podcast,

1:02:40

I never listen to it. I listen to every one, which

1:02:45

I'm sure I should talk about in therapy. But

1:02:47

thanks, Aaron. I don't know if that's

1:02:49

a you problem or whatever. People have always

1:02:51

said this thing about the Google Podcast, but

1:02:54

I have no idea what to do about it. I

1:02:56

kind of inherited how all of

1:02:58

this was set up from Starburns with very

1:03:00

little in the way of instructions or guidance

1:03:03

of what they did. So it's possible

1:03:05

this got submitted to Google Podcasts differently than

1:03:07

the other ones, and it's looking in the wrong place

1:03:10

because those files have to be there

1:03:12

writing an error message. So I will look into

1:03:14

it.

1:03:15

Yeah,

1:03:16

well, that's Starburns for you. Anyway,

1:03:18

Zachary writes, good day, good sir. And

1:03:21

again, you can send us an email, thathappenspod

1:03:23

at gmail.com. Please, please send

1:03:25

us one. Every time I read an email, that's

1:03:28

one lesser email we can read in the future. Good

1:03:31

day, good sir. I just wanted to thank you and Kevin for

1:03:33

keeping that habits rolling. I have spectrum, emotional

1:03:36

and behavioral issues, so I tend to isolate heavily.

1:03:38

The only thing keeping me going outside of work is

1:03:43

watching or listening as a game to That Happens,

1:03:45

Harm in Town and Harm Quest. Also, the food reviews

1:03:47

on your Patreon are top notch. I wish to play D&D,

1:03:50

but the nature of my work makes regular playing time

1:03:52

impossible. I live vicariously through

1:03:54

the podcast. Thanks for everything, including you

1:03:56

all, just being you, I guess, is just the

1:03:59

email. all of the Toothless

1:04:01

Boy Wonder. Whoa, Toothless. That's

1:04:03

hard to understand. I wonder why he's Toothless.

1:04:06

Well, thanks, Zach. I want

1:04:08

you to know that there's a podcast called

1:04:10

Hey Riddle Riddle, and you should check it out.

1:04:14

It's a good podcast if you

1:04:17

want a lot of podcasts to get through to live. And

1:04:19

speaking of Hey Riddle Riddle, the strike

1:04:21

ends and the riddle bot returns. Riddle bot's

1:04:23

got a new riddle for us, Kevin. Oh,

1:04:26

OK. Paste it to me too so we can get Chat GPT's

1:04:29

solution for this while we're following it. I'm

1:04:32

just going to read. Wait, no. OK.

1:04:36

OK. So

1:04:38

don't I read these in a robot voice?

1:04:40

Where's the fucking chat?

1:04:42

Where's the chat? Chat. OK. Why

1:04:45

is chat in the More tab? That seems more important

1:04:47

than the Summary button, or the AI

1:04:49

Companion button. Oh, you know

1:04:52

that the AI companion can have Zoom

1:04:54

summarize a meeting if you stop paying attention

1:04:56

when it's the same feature. Anyway,

1:05:00

dear Spencer and Kevin, like all

1:05:02

promising startups, riddle bot's cutting edge technological

1:05:05

advances seemed like the next giant leap in generative

1:05:07

AI technology. Unfortunately, like

1:05:10

so many big tech companies making

1:05:12

waves in Silicon Valley, the reports

1:05:14

of riddle bot's capabilities have been vastly

1:05:17

exaggerating. Riddle bot Inc. did not

1:05:19

use controversial, scraped, book-free

1:05:21

archive to train riddle bot's generative AI. We

1:05:25

have, in truth, been using one engineer

1:05:27

in a low-paid, non-unionized gig role.

1:05:31

As such, this independent contractor has been masquerading

1:05:33

as riddle bot and was on strike for many

1:05:36

months. With a tentative agreement, riddle

1:05:38

bot Inc. would like to offer you the following riddle

1:05:40

for your podcast and prove to our shareholders

1:05:42

that we are, in fact, not a Ponzi scheme.

1:05:46

And here's the riddle. A master of stealth,

1:05:48

I creep unseen. I seek high

1:05:50

places, blending in with the green. I

1:05:53

like to climb, but I do take

1:05:55

my time. My grip is renowned, but

1:05:57

my choke's not a claim.

1:05:59

So a master of stealth

1:06:02

I creep unseen. I seek high

1:06:04

places blending in with the green. I like

1:06:06

to climb, but I do take my

1:06:08

time.

1:06:09

My grip is renowned, but my choke's

1:06:12

not a crime. I have

1:06:15

a guess. Go for it.

1:06:16

I

1:06:18

think it's a vine. It's

1:06:21

reaping, it chokes, it

1:06:23

takes a long time to do that.

1:06:25

But I don't know why I call that a master of stealth

1:06:27

stuff. That's the thing. It's unseen. Well,

1:06:30

it creeps unseen in the sense that you don't see

1:06:32

it growing, I guess. Yeah,

1:06:34

but I don't know if I'd call a vine

1:06:37

stealthy. Yeah, I wouldn't call a vine stealthy. Ivy

1:06:39

or like... I think they're silent, I guess. But yeah,

1:06:42

it seems right. What did AI say? Did

1:06:44

I post it? I don't see the post now.

1:06:47

Yeah, I see it. Yeah. Okay. Let's

1:06:49

see. Oh, I got a pop-up over it. It

1:06:53

says actually a vine or ivy too.

1:06:56

Okay.

1:06:57

Well, we all get that. Let

1:07:00

me see if it has any other...

1:07:03

I can tell you that is a vine. I got the answer and it's a... Oh, okay. Well,

1:07:06

we're all good riddles.

1:07:09

It often could be a sloth, it says. But

1:07:13

it's apologizing

1:07:15

already since it's a bad guess. But it says a

1:07:17

sloth would be its second choice. A sloth

1:07:20

is a master of stealth, if you think about it. I

1:07:23

mean, a lot of wild animals are kind of a master of stealth

1:07:25

in the sense that we go around and people

1:07:27

don't see it. Yeah, it's slow and they do grip onto

1:07:29

trees really well and they blend in with the green trees

1:07:32

when they've climbed up them.

1:07:34

It likes to climb. Yeah, I could

1:07:36

almost see... I

1:07:39

can't imagine being choked out by a sloth,

1:07:42

but...

1:07:43

Yeah, I would accept sloth as an answer

1:07:45

though, I think.

1:07:47

Yeah, and they blend in with

1:07:49

the green because some sloths have an

1:07:51

algae or something growing on them, which makes them kind

1:07:53

of green. So there's something there too.

1:07:57

Uh... Okay.

1:07:59

So let's just read this one last

1:08:02

one this one's from Matt and Matt also sends

1:08:04

a PS He's written a lot of music and you can

1:08:06

have any of it for free So he sent some

1:08:08

music and other emails as well

1:08:13

So Hey

1:08:15

Spencer and Kevin been pondering it a while messaging

1:08:17

you guys big Harman town fan you truly brought

1:08:19

the best part I'm a huge fan of improv

1:08:22

so new Jeff back from whose line I did too It

1:08:24

was kind of crazy being like oh, that's Jeff

1:08:26

from the fucking TV show. I watching that kid anyway

1:08:30

And what really made me addicted to the show is the D&D

1:08:32

these days it feels like they never make

1:08:34

new movies It's always just a remake. What's nice about

1:08:36

D&D is that you're creating a story and

1:08:38

it's written stats and logic But also disorder

1:08:41

I say that part of what broke

1:08:43

Dan and Harman town was Trump getting elected I

1:08:45

didn't think it's attractive from the show per se but

1:08:47

because I usually always agreed But

1:08:49

it did change the focus a bit I think where you

1:08:51

would truly shine is obviously in D&D

1:08:54

because you were able to wrangle the hilarious drunks and

1:08:56

craft an original story All while thinking

1:08:58

on your feet. My favorite characters were always the NPCs

1:09:00

you made law I also think you added

1:09:02

a lot to the podcast by generally being smart and

1:09:04

you have a very keen Timing sense and ability to

1:09:07

rift with others. You just drop knowledge. It was great Now

1:09:09

comes the part where I say that potentially hurtful port.

1:09:11

Oh, I should have reread

1:09:14

this email probably listened to Harman town

1:09:16

four or five times through the Through

1:09:19

and it still today sound remains

1:09:21

entertaining I think what that happens the

1:09:23

problem is you're the leader in Kevin's the wig man There's

1:09:25

no chance for you to drop knowledge on someone I think when

1:09:28

where people crave your humor is ripping off of their

1:09:30

fuels madness Boy, do I miss D&D

1:09:32

and Jeff people who are forcing you to respond

1:09:34

with facts and funny contacts? I'm a fan of that happens

1:09:36

podcast and I've listened to every episode But I think it

1:09:38

would catch more fire If you set it up where you play

1:09:41

D&D or use your creative storytelling and world

1:09:43

creating spills skills to make us all laugh I

1:09:45

think it benefit you to have an overpowering guest so

1:09:48

that you can use your quick wick to fill their gaps

1:09:50

I think that's why real a bed works as a guest because he

1:09:52

likes to take a mic ha ha I bet even two plus

1:09:55

guests Could be sawed. I think the parts of harm town

1:09:57

where Dan would talk about this personal life. We're

1:09:59

critical and making the show funny like the drunk airport

1:10:02

story, the driver that hit his house, the tree, etc. It

1:10:04

makes me feel like a friend of his. I also think there's

1:10:06

a place for politics because it's just so prevalent and

1:10:09

shit's so insane, but I don't think that's what makes you a star. A

1:10:11

recent episode is that talking about job search

1:10:13

was like that made me relate to you. I absolutely

1:10:16

hate those assessments.