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friend Carlos Whitaker. Y'all know

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he's a dear friend of mine, you know,

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so much that we thought we'd catch a bus and

1:32

comes the on tour later this year. And

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he's been on the show a few times back on

1:37

episode fifty five, on episode two

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thirty. And he was part of our TSFQ

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and a on prayer and he was one of

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our special guests on that that sounds fun

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tour last year. So you can find

1:47

links to those shows in the show

1:50

notes below. He's the host of the human

1:52

health podcast on that that sounds fun network

1:54

as well. And he's written four books, speaks

1:56

all over the world and rallies his incredibly

1:59

enthusiastic social media community

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to do so many fun and kind things.

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It's unrelated. They're called the instafamilia, and

2:05

we love them. His latest book releases

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tomorrow, it's called How to Human.

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Three ways to share life beyond what distracts

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divides and disconnects us. And you guys

2:14

are absolutely gonna love the book. I cannot

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wait for you to hear how it has come to life.

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We talk about all the things. So here's

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my conversation with one of our favorites and

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my tourmate, Carlos Whitaker. Carlos

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Whitaker. Welcome back. We

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back. Listen, 12345

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episodes. We we're kind of in a

2:36

five fiverr this month. I need to give people it's

2:39

like an S and L. Seriously, can we

2:41

get, like, an award or a flat some baby

2:43

appointment on the wall. We're gonna get on that. Yeah. I

2:45

need to get that's what we should do. We should

2:47

have a yeah. We should have something in here -- Yes.

2:49

-- that tells people who's been out here.

2:51

Absolutely. I'm a father. Great idea.

2:53

And thank you for being patient with us. As you're

2:55

a real life friend of the show and sat here as

2:57

we worked on technology for eighteen minutes.

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Wait. We did that, but also can can

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we go back for just a second to the fact the

3:04

simple fact that I have been on the show five

3:06

times -- Yeah. -- means that you've been doing the show for

3:08

seventeen years. Nine. Yeah.

3:10

Nine years. Yeah. Okay. So they're like,

3:12

wow. That's crazy. I know.

3:14

I know. We are don't you know me? I we are already

3:16

planning fall

3:19

of twenty four to do a ten year -- Nice. -- a

3:21

big ten year thing. Let's go. Sell out the ryman.

3:23

Let's go. I'm in. Oh, maybe I'm in.

3:25

Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. Oh,

3:27

that is wanna That is not something okay.

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Alright, everybody. November twenty four.

3:32

Come again. Spell. Taking his face in

3:34

his hands. Like, I'm not sure I'm prepared

3:36

for that. Carlos welcome back. Listen, the

3:38

thing we're gonna start with because everybody knows. Yeah.

3:40

We're going on tour. We are going on tour.

3:43

We we're going on tour. So

3:45

happy. I'm happy to not have to

3:47

keep a secret anymore. I know. Literally,

3:49

like and I mean, I'll be honest. III

3:52

told maybe three people before anyone

3:54

else knew. But I I made sure that

3:56

they did not tell anybody else, but I've been dying

3:58

-- Yeah. -- to tell people so I'm so excited.

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Okay. Now you keep saying you've never toured before,

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but you've toured Well,

4:03

much more than I have. Yes. Listen. When

4:06

I say that, I've never done a

4:08

tour that, is like this where

4:10

I'm the person that people are coming

4:12

for. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So, like Like,

4:15

this is, like, Carlos and Annie. Like, we're

4:17

on stage together People are

4:19

coming to hear what I have to say. My

4:20

name is on the bill. You know, I've toured a lot,

4:22

but I've toured, like, as I was

4:24

the opening opening opening opening

4:26

opening guy on the Newsboys Tour in two

4:28

thousand and ten. I was

4:29

you know, I've been on tour buses when I've

4:32

spoken for compassion. I've I've

4:34

been at at conferences and but

4:36

I've never

4:37

been, like, the bill. Yeah. So this is

4:39

what I mean. It's like, I don't know.

4:41

It makes me nervous.

4:42

You know? Like, this is

4:44

crazy. So if I was ever gonna do

4:46

it, I may as well make sure I got Annie on

4:48

stage with me. Oh, man. It's gonna be so

4:50

fun. I I'm really honored

4:52

and excited that we get to do this together. I

4:54

feel like so many of our friends

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listening to my show, listen to

4:58

your show. Yep. And then the the part

5:00

that's fun to me in the venn diagram is the parts

5:02

that don't overlap me. Yes. That's gonna

5:04

be so fun when they, like, meet each other.

5:06

Yeah. I mean, it is I mean, who who knows

5:08

if, like, if, like, a that sounds

5:11

fun listener and instafameleon

5:13

member, like -- My god. -- fallen love. Oh

5:16

my god. Oh my god. Oh my gosh. How are we gonna do this?

5:18

We're gonna have to at some point get every

5:20

night to be like, sit straight if you're not

5:22

married. And everybody look around.

5:24

Yeah. And at the end of the night -- Let's do

5:26

it. -- introduce yourself to someone.

5:28

Because I am. I'm putting I'm putting

5:30

it out on the on the fam, on the Instagram.

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That I listen, I know I got a lot

5:34

of female followers in the

5:36

instafamlia. I see the demographics.

5:38

Yeah. But I got dudes and dudes, I need

5:40

you to hear me. I need you to come to these

5:42

shows. Oh, yeah. This is family. This

5:44

is couples. Let's go. Date night.

5:46

Like, we're all in. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. What is

5:48

our rule about kids? I actually don't know if we

5:50

decide way

5:51

whether yeah. I don't know. We should probably

5:54

Is there a is have you had kid rules

5:55

before? Yeah. Because there are times where

5:58

because of the time of the show, it's too

6:00

late. Yep. Yeah. And that if

6:02

we want to have a conversation -- That are

6:04

not safe. That are not yours. --

6:06

and a six year old doesn't necessarily need to

6:08

hear that. Yep. So we we'll keep all updated

6:10

on what the Yeah. I am maybe a little bit

6:12

more p g thirteen than you are when it comes

6:14

to what things I say sometimes you get you.

6:16

Yeah. Yeah. That's about a little a

6:18

little mini BFF warning. Yeah.

6:21

Well, I'm really excited. Tell me what I don't know

6:23

about you on a bus. Do you are you a Okay.

6:25

Do you have a favorite bunk? I mean, you're a headliner. You

6:27

get to pick your bunk. I

6:28

know. This is so good. I and I'm on

6:30

buses every year again. Like, so

6:31

I tour and I do have habits and I was

6:34

literally talking to my sunless eye about

6:36

yesterday. I was like,

6:38

low, like, I'm gonna go on, you

6:40

know, this is a big tour. We're doing a few

6:42

weeks Yeah. And he started he

6:44

he's the one that asked me, well, dad, so,

6:46

like, are you gonna are you gonna

6:48

stay up late with everyone on the bus? Because I know you like

6:50

to go to bed early. And I was, like, suddenly, I

6:52

thought, Oh my gosh. Like, what's Annie's

6:54

vibe? What's the what's

6:56

the tour vibe? Am I gonna be

6:58

the grumpy old guy that goes to bed early?

7:00

Like, am I gonna And then I

7:02

started thinking about that stuff. Which yeah.

7:04

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm more

7:05

excited. So here's my vibe. Here's my

7:07

tour vibe. I am a early riser

7:09

on tour. Yeah. So you know, I'd

7:11

say when I was touring in my late thirties,

7:14

I I was up till three AM, and I I'd

7:16

sleep till noon. Because I didn't have to be on

7:18

stage till, you know, seven PM. That's right. But

7:20

no, I'm just listen, I'm in the my forty

7:22

ninth year life. Yeah. Like, I I wanna get up. I

7:24

wanna have my my little juice cleanse. I want

7:26

it to go on my little walk. I wanna have my coffee.

7:28

Do all the things. Yeah. And, yeah,

7:31

you know, like, I am I'm

7:33

I'm definitely more introverted than

7:36

probably my instafamilia would

7:38

think that I am. Yeah. But tour like

7:40

recharge most. Recharge most.

7:42

Yeah. So so, like, I you

7:44

know, sometimes people be like, where's Lois

7:46

in? Like, you just just peeking in my in my bunk, and

7:48

I'm I'm there. I'm in a book, you know, whatever

7:50

it is. But when I'm out, like,

7:52

I'm out. Like, like, when I when I'm out the

7:54

out out the bunk, like, I'm out and I'm ready

7:56

to talk and all the things. So and it

7:58

it is I I just can't wait. Like,

8:01

all of those little things hey. Here's the thing. Like,

8:03

I love. Love peanut brinjelly sandwiches.

8:05

Okay. Like, I'm a big fan of peanut butter

8:07

and jelly. You're a wonderful brat. I'm

8:10

just a white brat. Like like, I wanna

8:12

feel like I'm selling I have that you Yeah. Yeah.

8:14

So, like, I love peanut butter, like, sandwiches.

8:16

Yeah. I don't like, when you

8:18

tour, do do you normally have, like, somebody

8:20

that really loves coffee that's into coffee,

8:22

making coffee, or are you like a Keurig

8:24

kinda coffee person on the bus, Annie?

8:27

There's both, usually. And it's because

8:29

we haven't we don't have our crew locked

8:31

down yet, but every tour we've

8:33

had a coffee snob. Oh, yes.

8:35

So I like to be with the coffee snobs

8:37

because either they know where the good coffee

8:39

is in the town we're going

8:39

to. Oh,

8:40

yeah. Or they're they're making their pour over

8:42

in the morning, and I'm just, like, taking up to

8:44

order in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know

8:47

That and then I mean, gosh. I

8:49

mean, I don't know, you know, it's

8:51

I'm not a late night person either just so you know. Oh, you're

8:53

sometimes the crew guys are. Yeah. But

8:55

my voice, the only way I shut up

8:57

is if I sleep. Yeah. And so

8:59

they make me I mean, usually tour

9:01

manager, actually, says, hey, you

9:03

have to go get in your book -- Yeah. -- because

9:05

you have to stop talking, so your voice last

9:07

virtual show. Yes. But June tours, you know, what's

9:09

great about June tours is everywhere we're going.

9:11

We can work out outside. Yeah. And we can go on

9:13

walks. That's awesome. And we can go to coffee shops

9:16

and and there's nowhere that we that the

9:18

weather will not I

9:18

mean, unless it's raining. Sure. So Or,

9:21

like,

9:21

a hundred and ten degrees in Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

9:23

Like, our whole last week -- Yeah. -- talking to you Dallas. We're

9:25

looking at you Texas. And

9:27

the interesting will be because there's a

9:29

pre party and a post party -- Yes. -- you'll

9:31

get back to the bus later than I

9:33

would. That's true. And so you'll you'll have

9:35

to unwind that. My problem is I get so,

9:37

I call it, people drunk, meaning --

9:39

Uh-huh. -- that people light me

9:41

up so much that it takes me probably

9:43

ninety minutes to to settle

9:45

down enough to even consider going to sleep because

9:47

I'm so high on the experience of being

9:49

with all these people. Yep. Yep. Yep. Well, I am

9:51

doing a post party. So, like, you you

9:53

people are gonna be able to come hang out with you before, hang out

9:55

with me afterwards. Yeah. Hang out with both of us if they

9:57

want. Yes. Seems to be what

9:58

people are enjoying is that -- Yeah. -- ticket that gets them

10:01

both the pre and the post.

10:02

Yes. Just very fun. It's gonna

10:04

be fun. I mean, I'm just I'm just excited to,

10:06

you know, to do this thing on purpose and

10:08

to and for the Lord to give me

10:10

and you, you very specific a

10:12

very specific assignment -- Yeah. -- for what

10:14

it is we're gonna be diving into

10:16

on those nights. Each

10:17

night. Yeah. Yeah. Just Yeah.

10:19

Yeah, my plan is to prepare.

10:21

And we're I mean, we're gonna prepare an

10:23

excellent show. Absolutely. But also,

10:25

the thing I feel like you and I have

10:27

permission that I'm not sure I've given

10:29

myself permission in past

10:31

tours is what does God have

10:33

tonight? Mhmm. You know, like, what does he

10:35

have tonight? Now I got to do that a little bit with

10:37

the podcast tour -- Right. --

10:39

only because it was a different guest. Yeah. So I

10:40

didn't have to think about it -- Right. -- because

10:43

it was just gonna naturally happen.

10:45

But with you and I, it feels like,

10:47

man, what's the what might the holy

10:49

spirit do -- Yeah. -- if he if

10:51

our preparation meets ability

10:53

-- Mhmm. -- and availability

10:55

to what might he have tonight.

10:58

Even if it's

10:58

just a sentence different. Even if it's

11:00

sentences even if it's you know, the

11:02

community that we're in, every community we're in

11:04

is gonna have different needs to be

11:06

seen. Yeah. Right? Like, everyone's gonna

11:09

they they all have their things that they're

11:11

going through as a collective community.

11:13

Maybe we can lean into that. Yeah. So I'm like, I just feel like

11:16

yes. Every night is set up to --

11:18

Yeah. -- to feel different. So I

11:20

also love going to the movies. If we get to I

11:22

try to take us all to the movies

11:23

once. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Take

11:25

everybody the movies once. Okay. Also,

11:28

I should tell you that two of our three weeks,

11:30

we are Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

11:32

Sunday. Yep. One, we are Wednesday,

11:34

Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Okay. We

11:37

try to and our friends

11:38

listening, you've heard me say this. My goal is when we

11:41

get home that everyone's healthier than when they left --

11:43

Yes. -- emotionally, spiritually, and physically.

11:45

Yep. And so what that means is we aren't we don't

11:47

eat, like, trash. Right. Most

11:48

nights. Yeah. But that last night, every week Okay.

11:51

Let's go. We ain't

11:53

living by rules. We're living by this fear out of the Yes.

11:55

And so so there is I

11:57

mean, we do have post show food, but we try to Yeah.

11:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't I

12:00

don't want people to feel bad. No. It's

12:02

also be healthier

12:03

because they were led by

12:05

you and I -- Yes. -- not not

12:07

feel like they suffered.

12:09

Yes. Yes. As best we can. I agree.

12:11

It's gonna be so funny. Be asking me. Great. Okay.

12:13

This week, tomorrow. Tomorrow,

12:15

human releases. Oh, my gosh.

12:18

And I I I've got that I've got

12:20

that day before me. This is Yeah. This

12:22

is book number four in in this genre

12:24

for me and it never it

12:26

never doesn't feel like I feel right now.

12:28

Like I just like Okay?

12:30

Lord, it's it's in your hands. I've

12:32

done everything I can

12:33

do, but it's it's a it's a

12:35

job for me to get there.

12:37

Right? Right. Right. Because

12:39

where are you coming from? Talk about why

12:42

where you're starting the journey that ends

12:44

with

12:44

god. You put books in hand. Yeah. You know what I mean? You start

12:46

the journey with, you know, with writing

12:49

it. Right? Right. So, like, III got

12:51

the message. I I had the title

12:53

before I had the book. Like, I was like, I this

12:55

is what I feel like I'm doing on social

12:57

media every

12:58

day. It's just helping people remember how to

13:00

do this human as well. What you do on your

13:02

podcast too on human health. Yes. Because you're like, this is

13:04

what human

13:04

is like. This is what literally,

13:07

we're sitting here. someone moving the

13:09

grass outside, Craig, your wonderful

13:11

engineer. Like, he literally

13:13

took a chapter out of the book. And he's

13:15

like, we're about to report a cup record a

13:17

podcast and say, And

13:19

he kinda takes some deep breaths and he looks outside

13:22

wondering when they're gonna fish and he's like, thank you for

13:24

doing your job. And I'm like, there

13:26

it is. That is how to so -- Yeah. -- that

13:28

that's that's what it's encompassing. And so I'm

13:30

excited about the message, of course, that I pour

13:32

into the book. And that's my favorite

13:34

part. For me is an off

13:35

Really? Is the

13:36

riding is the riding part? Oh my gosh.

13:38

Oh. Stick me in a in

13:40

a in a I don't care if it's a cop. Shop.

13:42

Yeah. Or it's a hotel I don't care where I am

13:44

on it. My sofa, put the chronicles and

13:46

Narnia's soundtrack in my ears, and

13:48

let me just write both of them. It's

13:50

like my favorite thing. And then

13:52

when I turn it in, it

13:55

becomes a horror so far. I

13:57

guess. It it's

13:59

just like way way way this is all in

14:01

me. And now it's and now what

14:03

happens is everybody starts telling you their

14:05

opinion because you've got you've got a That's

14:07

that's terrible. So then they're

14:09

editing, and then you're you're

14:11

book reviewing, and then, you know, your launch

14:13

team reviewing, and then you're seeing what somebody

14:15

disappointed with, well, this is just

14:17

his writing style just isn't, you know and

14:19

it's just for me that that's

14:22

I'm way better now. Yeah. But it

14:24

is the it's the scariest, hardest part.

14:26

And I'm getting better So that's

14:28

the journey, right, that that now

14:30

the day before, right, that this book is

14:32

out into the world. I it it

14:34

is a supernatural thing that

14:36

has to happen inside of me because the

14:38

natural will never allow me

14:40

to just kinda, you know, brush

14:42

it off. I don't care how much therapy I

14:44

go to. It's gotta a supernatural thing. And so

14:46

I'm praying supernaturally, holy

14:48

spirit, allow the

14:50

peace that really passes any understanding

14:53

to really come in. And it it's happened every

14:55

single time. And it's gonna happen this time too. And

14:57

but, you know, just as a creative that puts

14:59

their art into the world, you

15:01

know, it's always nerve wracking. Will you talk about

15:03

that? That's really interesting to therapy

15:05

meeting the holy spirit. Yeah. Because I've heard

15:07

people say I've I've literally

15:09

with my ears. I heard someone

15:11

say, Christian should not lean on therapy.

15:13

They should just lean on scripture. Right. And

15:15

I've heard someone say, cognitive

15:19

behavior is not a spiritual thing. It

15:21

is just change your behavior and

15:23

get your tools, and then you'll be able

15:25

to move forward. There's a ton of therapy that has nothing

15:27

to do outwardly with spiritual

15:29

life though, as Jean Marc Comer taught us everything

15:31

is spiritual formation. Yeah. Where's

15:33

your connection of

15:35

therapy in the holy spirit? Yeah.

15:37

I mean, what

15:39

what holy spirit is just for

15:41

me Twenty four seven. Yeah. So

15:43

when I'm in therapy and with the therapist,

15:46

holy spirit is there. Yeah. When I'm out

15:48

of therapy with without a therapist, holy

15:50

spirit is there. So So therapy is just it's

15:52

a that's in the natural. Yep. And

15:54

so I allow the supernatural

15:56

to impact that. And then the

15:58

natural can also, I believe, impact

16:00

a supernatural. So I believe that when I am in therapy

16:02

with a good therapist, and they're asking me, this

16:04

could be a non Christian therapist -- Yeah. --

16:06

doing some some version of therapy I've never

16:08

heard of. They can ask me a

16:10

question that can lead me supernaturally to a to

16:12

a

16:12

place. I I just believe that they are so important.

16:14

Actually so John Eldridge, I went to this conference

16:16

and he's only

16:17

done with us. John Eldridge. He's

16:19

only done it one time, and I can't believe he's only

16:21

done it once. But luckily, for

16:23

everybody, if you're he's got I'm a member of

16:25

his

16:25

thing. I I don't know. He's got something that you've become

16:27

a a member of his Club

16:29

or whatever. So in case

16:31

they're like Join the trial. I'll just stop drinking. Yes.

16:33

So I'm like Fan Club. Yeah.

16:34

I mean, maybe it's Fan Club, but you get you get

16:37

access.

16:37

Fits you and me. That's right. get access to all

16:39

of his conferences that's that he's ever put

16:41

on before, so you can listen to them. Oh. And

16:43

there's one conference that I actually

16:45

flew to Denver or no to Colorado

16:47

Springs -- Yeah. -- and it was John Eldridge

16:49

and Dan Allender together -- Got it. --

16:51

on stage. And so you've got this you've

16:53

like, clinical psychologist.

16:55

And so, like, in the room, it was

16:57

fascinating. In the room, and John came out the very

16:59

first day and said, okay, now listen. There's

17:02

two types of people in the room. There's my

17:04

inner healing prayer people. You guys are

17:06

here and because they came to learn that part from

17:08

John. Yes. Then you you've got

17:10

your clinical psychology, you guys are in the room. You've

17:12

come to hear hear from Dan. We're gonna

17:14

figure out how to do this together. Wow. And and

17:16

it was, like, the greatest three days for

17:18

me. Yes. Of understanding and learning

17:20

how the two things go together. Yes. So

17:22

I can't remember what the name of the conference is. You can it's

17:24

on his in the fan

17:26

club. You can go find it. But Lilian

17:28

will help that. Yes. Okay. But but

17:30

Challenges now on. Yes. So

17:32

so anyway, all that to say, like, I

17:35

just believe both are very very important. And I'm

17:37

I'm always gonna press

17:39

people to go to therapy.

17:42

Yeah. And in nerve healing. Like, the go

17:44

to both. And guess what? One

17:46

can maybe give you more healing than the other one. That

17:48

doesn't mean the other one's not just as value. Yeah.

17:50

That's right. Put together. Yes. It's a peanut butter

17:52

and jelly sandwich. You get to decide whether you

17:54

lean heavy on peanut butter or jelly.

17:56

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21:14

conversation with Carlos. Do

21:18

you think people who followed Jesus

21:21

should have a therapist who follows Jesus?

21:24

No. Okay. I I don't.

21:26

I I don't the the

21:28

breakthrough because because

21:30

again, if you are getting your

21:33

hopefully, what I what I feel like is is

21:35

weekly spiritual formation from your

21:37

community and church leadership. If you're involved

21:39

in church, in some way shape or form. And and you can have a

21:41

Christian counselor, okay, a lot like

21:43

like counsel. But the reason why I

21:45

say no is this. My biggest

21:47

breakthrough I've ever gotten k?

21:49

Was from a lady named Barb, and

21:52

Barb was in no way she performed

21:54

a Jesus follower. Yeah. And

21:56

through her work and through

21:58

her ability and skill

21:59

set. And honestly, what I believe is a God given

22:02

skill set that maybe she hasn't realized yet.

22:03

Yeah. She was able to allow me to get through a

22:06

breakthrough that I never would have before. If I would have just been

22:08

looking for a Christian therapist, I

22:10

may have gotten a a good

22:10

breakthrough, and that made it happen the same way. Yeah.

22:13

But I know

22:13

that it also happened with her. So -- Yeah. --

22:15

I would say, a, that's part

22:18

a, the answer. Part b, the answer is, I'm

22:20

also very I've

22:22

I've always been very

22:25

aware of and asking holy spirit

22:27

to make sure that the roots of

22:29

something, the root of of isn't

22:31

based in now listen, I'm going all the

22:33

way there, isn't based in something

22:35

Like like, if there's a mode of therapy that

22:37

a non Christian therapist is

22:39

doing, that maybe has some roots and things that have a

22:41

new a g.

22:41

So, yeah, some stuff like that. Yeah. Okay.

22:44

Yeah.

22:44

Yeah. So Like, I'm just not gonna I'm just not gonna do it. Like, I'm just not

22:47

gonna

22:47

touch it. I'm not going to. Just because

22:49

I believe in this new supernatural. I believe

22:51

in spirits. I believe in all of these things

22:54

that Those are real. And I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna

22:56

bite that in the mouth. Yeah. Yeah. So Okay.

22:58

So what does that make you think about the

23:00

Instagram? You are.

23:02

Because there are there are a few people

23:04

I mean, there are really smart people

23:06

who love Jesus that are landing on

23:08

both sides of the

23:11

Instagram started in a demonic way and

23:13

the Instagram didn't. Yeah. And we

23:15

don't actually know. Yeah. Yeah. So when you so

23:17

you don't even you could talk about the Instagram

23:19

Also, in a general sense when we don't

23:21

actually know. Right. What do

23:23

we do? Right. Right. Okay.

23:25

So we'll start there. When we don't actually

23:28

know, have access to ask

23:30

god. We literally have access to What is

23:32

right for you? What is who is Am

23:34

I supposed to do this? Yeah. not supposed

23:36

to do this? So, yeah, when it comes to the

23:38

enneagram, you know, I mean, there there was a

23:40

few weeks ago, there was there was a a little

23:42

to do for twenty four hours about somebody

23:45

that that talk fossil that filled my d m's.

23:47

Oh, okay. I'm I'm sure I hadn't asked you about that

23:49

yet. But, you know, and and and the

23:51

he he he was a crazy

23:52

thing. Is that the Kirk

23:55

what did you call it? Fair

23:55

fuffle. Yeah. That thing. That that happened actually came

23:58

from somebody that a lot of people are

24:00

were are very into -- Yeah. -- trust

24:02

a lot. Yes. You know, and

24:04

and was Maybe we're a little shocked. Shelly

24:06

loves Jesus. Yes. Maybe we're a little bit shocked

24:08

at, like, hey, like, this is what I've

24:10

seen and what my research did. So I

24:12

guess, like, when those d m's happened to

24:14

pop into my account as well. Yeah. I

24:16

was like, hey. Listen. Like, don't ever and

24:18

I've actually not answered this. I have a

24:20

whole bunch of questions in inbox and my d m's. Not in my d

24:22

m's. I did a question box. That same day and --

24:24

Yeah. -- all those

24:25

questions. I

24:27

have the answer to you. Yeah. Because III want

24:29

to you know, maybe I will by the time this

24:31

podcast here's, but this is what I this is what I said in

24:33

my answer, what I will say on Instagram

24:35

is that, you know, A,

24:37

I'm careful. A lot of people immediately

24:40

say, I've seen a tool

24:42

really help a lot of people. Yep.

24:44

So it must be good. So

24:46

so immediately, I always say, well, like,

24:49

you you gotta be careful with that. So just

24:51

because something can help somebody else,

24:54

doesn't mean it must be

24:56

good. Very good. Okay. So -- Okay. -- I I think we

24:58

have to say that first. Yes. But then

25:01

secondly, I just want

25:03

everybody to never trust just one

25:05

source and then throw it out. Like,

25:07

if you hear something that makes you question something

25:09

that you believe

25:09

in, hear it. Take it in, and then

25:12

go do your research. Go

25:13

do your study. Right? And so, like, you've you've

25:15

got that's what I did. So I heard her

25:17

say that. And I was like, this is

25:20

very interesting. I went and researched a little bit. And then

25:22

a gospel for Anagram or somebody who

25:24

called me. A great response. Yep. It was

25:26

it was actually just even the way he worded

25:28

it. He was so generous. So

25:30

generous. And and then I heard that. And I was like,

25:32

oh, so I'm gonna research a little bit more.

25:34

I called him because of that. Me too. I hadn't listened

25:36

to him before and didn't know he was. And I thought,

25:38

this is so beautifully, politely --

25:40

Yes. -- thoughtfully

25:41

done. Yes. Then I went to

25:43

my pastor -- Yeah. -- and who

25:47

actually maybe leans a little bit more

25:49

towards the first person -- Yeah. -- that was because

25:51

I've kinda known that already about about

25:53

their their thoughts of it. And so what does

25:55

that do that inform me a lot more. Yeah. And I

25:57

just think that's so important for us to

25:59

just because you love something and you've seen

26:01

it help. A lot of people doesn't mean

26:04

that you can't be like, I wonder if

26:06

this maybe I should look into this a little

26:08

bit more. You know? Because here's the other thing. When

26:10

that came out like a lot of people Like, they're they've

26:12

in the last three years based their

26:14

entire careers -- Yes. --

26:16

around Instagram. Yes. So it's like,

26:19

well, I think that's

26:21

probably gonna be scary for

26:23

some people to think like, well, or suddenly Christians

26:25

is gonna cancel the Instagram because, you

26:27

know, megatron told somebody

26:29

to start whatever And so it's like,

26:31

yeah, listen. Hear those things. Do

26:34

your research. Ask holy spirit

26:36

to guide you with it. Yeah. And then make

26:38

make the decision for you. Yeah. Same thing

26:40

with yoga. Same thing with people that do

26:42

yoga. It's like, okay. You know, we can

26:44

do the research. You can see things are based in certain

26:46

ways. You know, I know Christians that

26:48

just won't do it because of where came

26:50

from. I know Christians that do Christian

26:52

versions of yoga. Yep. And so it's like,

26:54

okay. These are two people that have landed on two different

26:56

areas. Yes. It's okay to land in those

26:58

places. Yes. Just really make sure that you're asking

27:00

Holy Spirit to lead you. Yeah. And and

27:01

trust that you can hear God for

27:04

you. Yes. That's what matters.

27:06

Yeah. A couple people that reached out to me, I got

27:08

to say back, like, I a

27:10

hundred percent believe you've heard God for

27:12

you. Yeah. I have a friend who

27:14

who literally heard God say to her.

27:16

Uh-huh. I'm done with desserts. You're done with

27:18

desserts. Yeah. That does not mean we all stop eating

27:20

desserts. Right. That means for her

27:22

spiritual development --

27:23

Yes. -- and for

27:23

her walk with God, she had to walk

27:26

away from a tool.

27:27

Yes. Right? Yeah. I respect it so much.

27:30

Yeah. But when God tells her to

27:32

walk away from desserts, she's not asking Dairy

27:34

Queen to

27:35

close. Right. Right. Right. It's true. It's true. And

27:37

the yoga is such a good comparison. Well, it

27:39

is. And and also realize this when

27:41

you when things like this happen, because there's gonna

27:43

be more things that you

27:45

you really love

27:45

something. Right? Tell me, it takes for instance. Polarizing

27:48

is popular.

27:48

It it is. You really love something. So people Yes. And

27:51

this happens with individuals that we love and that we

27:53

follow too. Like, you love them for

27:55

everything and then somebody else says

27:57

something horrible about that person and

27:59

maybe brings to light something you never knew

28:01

about that person. Yeah. You

28:03

get to make a decision that point. Okay.

28:06

Holistically, like, III

28:08

followed this person for years

28:10

I've seen everything about that person for

28:12

years, holistically. This person comes along

28:14

and for twenty four hours says something

28:18

that maybe made me think, you know, oh, there's

28:20

something different here, but guess what? The person

28:22

that talked about the Instagram, that

28:24

that that is not They're they haven't

28:26

talked about it since. Yeah. Yeah. They're not gonna talk

28:28

about it. And and suddenly, everyone that loves it is

28:30

still talking about it. Yeah. And it's just, like, remember,

28:32

like like, that that's not

28:35

they they studied it for twenty they literally said for twenty four

28:37

hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guess what? You get a lot more

28:39

You get to

28:40

you get to decide. Yeah. That's right. That's really

28:42

good. I mean, because what we're a,

28:44

what we're doing is what we're about to do on tour. Yeah.

28:46

For

28:46

everybody, you just give us topics and we're gonna do

28:49

this. Yes. And also in

28:51

how to human, you say, be human human

28:53

free human. Yeah. And so part

28:55

of this whole thing, part of following anyone on the

28:57

Internet is like, first of all, you get to be

28:59

a human. Yes. What is right for you? Yep. Then you get

29:01

to see a human. What what Whittaker

29:04

you seeing in this person? And then one of the things we

29:06

get to free them from is our expectation. Yes.

29:08

Come on. Free we get to see them and

29:10

then free them -- Yeah. -- to

29:12

be human. Yeah. That is in our epiphany episode. One of the things

29:14

I thank the friends listening for is letting

29:16

me be a human. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm like, you

29:18

let me make mistakes let me say

29:20

things sideways and let me fix it --

29:22

Uh-huh. -- as best I can. And you

29:24

aren't asking me to be perfect. You're asking me to

29:26

be a growing human and rightly

29:28

so.

29:28

Yes. Absolutely. I mean, and and that is that

29:30

that's the thing. Right? So it's great. I mean, you have

29:32

to read the book. Be human. See, humans free. Humans. There it

29:34

is. You've got you've got like,

29:36

literally seeing of someone

29:38

else is it's

29:40

what everybody needs more than anything right now is

29:42

to to feel seen. But once they're

29:45

seen, the freedom that that you got any in

29:47

twenty twenty two when when

29:49

you feel like people saw

29:51

you, but then also gave you freedom to be

29:54

you. And to

29:54

make mistakes and me too, like, people saw me and I said

29:56

things sideways and I'm like, oh, that's it. Like, I I

29:59

I've said it. But no. Like, the

30:01

overarching theme of who we are is constantly gonna be like,

30:03

I'm going to continue to grow as a human.

30:06

Yeah. And we're never going to achieve

30:08

all the ultimate humanness was which

30:10

was Jesus. He gets to be our Yeah.

30:12

But not one single person that's listening

30:14

to this podcast right now. Not

30:16

one person is gonna be able to get out of the fact

30:18

that they're gonna say something that

30:21

will cancel them from their maybe

30:23

their friends or a larger group of people were

30:25

all gonna say something at some point.

30:28

Yeah. But But, like, we

30:30

can't be human if we're

30:32

just expecting people to be perfect all the time.

30:34

Yeah. Yeah. And I do it I mean, I feel it

30:36

in me. Right? Where someone that I

30:38

really respect says something I don't agree with, and

30:40

I feel the inclination to be like, well,

30:42

they aren't who I thought they were. Yes. And that's it. It's

30:44

over Game of America. Well, guess what? No one. Is who

30:46

you think they are for starter. Yeah.

30:48

Yeah. And secondly okay. You

30:50

have you know, I followed pastor

30:52

x. For ten years online.

30:54

Yep. And I don't like a Sermoni does.

30:56

Yep. I get to decide, do you wanna

30:58

stick around and see three more sermons and

31:00

see is this a change in

31:03

his belief system -- Right. -- that does not

31:05

match my belief system -- Uh-huh.

31:07

-- or did he say as soon as I don't like?

31:09

Right. Alright. Or did he vote for a president? I

31:11

don't like. Oh, Carlos. How are we gonna

31:13

do this? I'm how are we gonna

31:15

I keep I'm telling you How are

31:17

we gonna have another election? I I survived

31:19

as the church. I I just I I just you

31:22

know how we're gonna do it if

31:24

everybody buys a copy of my book, how to human And

31:27

and and we remember once again what

31:29

we were called to do is the hands and

31:31

feet of Jesus -- Yeah. -- and not make

31:33

a decision off of

31:35

off of what some who somebody votes for

31:37

it. Yeah. Now, I like what you just said.

31:39

Like, if they suddenly if you suddenly

31:41

see a difference, a change of heart

31:43

in the way they treat people and the fruit of

31:45

the spirit beginning to sour in these

31:47

things. Yeah. At that point, you're seeing a

31:49

shift in a change in somebody's ethos.

31:52

But just because they voted for

31:54

somebody -- Yeah. -- does not change who they

31:56

are. It just doesn't You didn't start following them because who they

31:58

voted for? Yeah. Where did you stop? Yeah.

31:59

Here's the problem, is you liked him until you knew.

32:02

Mhmm. Right?

32:04

You love me till you know I voted for Trump or you

32:06

love me till you know I voted for Biden.

32:08

Yeah. And then you suddenly it it

32:10

makes you do this backlog

32:11

of, like, Well, did I actually disagree with

32:14

that? Right. Did I actually disagree with that? Yeah.

32:16

When a portion of the Internet got

32:18

unhappy with me last year -- Yeah. -- I I

32:20

saw a couple of times on Twitter people

32:22

say, Well, I've always thought Annie blah blah blah.

32:24

Or I've been you know what? Yeah. As long as we're

32:26

talking about this, the other thing and I'm like,

32:28

oh, you're just pulling up receipts that

32:30

I didn't know you were holding. Yeah. Yeah. And

32:32

so I'm I'm thoughtful, Carlos, as we're trying

32:34

to you're really actively teaching us

32:37

how to human. Right. How do

32:39

we let go over seats versus the

32:41

because what I hear some of my friends saying back to you

32:43

and me is like, but but we wanna be wise

32:45

and only be informed by voices

32:47

that are wise. Sure. And so if that

32:49

person didn't vote for who I agree with -- Yeah.

32:52

-- then they might not be a good voice for me.

32:54

Yeah. Is that true? I mean, a good voice

32:56

for you in what, in politics

32:59

maybe. But if they've been a

33:01

good voice for you in your life

33:03

in general and then made you a good person before you

33:05

find out who they voted for, yes,

33:07

like, you still follow them, you still learn from

33:09

them, you still you know, I I just

33:11

I've seen it I've seen it happen on my

33:13

own socials. When people found out

33:15

where I leaned Yeah. And I saw a bunch of

33:17

people take off. What the most the

33:20

most beautiful thing for me

33:22

has has been the

33:24

where I've seen them come back. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it. And they're

33:26

like, you know what, Carlos? Like, I I mean, I

33:28

I can't believe that you did vote for that person.

33:30

And I I had to take

33:32

a aabbatical from Atlas with.

33:35

And you but I've come back and guess what?

33:37

You're you're still the same. You're still the same person.

33:39

And so it's like, okay. For for

33:41

our own sometimes for our own mental health,

33:43

sometimes for our own really,

33:46

like, healing and safety, we do have to take

33:48

a break from some people for some

33:50

time. But just know that because I say it all the time even in the

33:52

book, one of the big things I say is don't

33:54

stand on issues, walk with people. Like, if

33:56

that's like a big statement that

33:58

I a big part of the book. And people are always

34:00

like, well, it's a big part of you. Well, it's a big part of me.

34:02

But people are like, well, what if the person that

34:04

I'm walking with is hurting

34:06

me? What what if like like like like what like

34:08

you don't say you say you don't I say I wanna just with people, the person I'm walking with

34:11

is actively dehumanizing me? Wow.

34:13

Well, okay. Then you don't walk with

34:15

them. Yeah. Right? So, like, I'm

34:17

not going to like, today tomorrow morning, I'm

34:19

not gonna go search for the next

34:21

KKK rally. And as a black man

34:23

in in Nashville, go to that KKK

34:25

on night, and like, guys. I'm ready to walk with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.

34:28

Because we're gonna be fine. Yeah. No. It's not

34:30

like we have to

34:31

be smart. Not safe. We have

34:34

to be smart and safe with who we are.

34:35

Yes. But I still believe that there's a capacity

34:38

inside of all of us to actually

34:40

do this thing. Because also, the real

34:42

kick in the pants is some

34:44

of those KKK members may go to our

34:46

church. Oh, my they do.

34:48

Not me. They do. And they would

34:50

say to you when I talk to God.

34:52

Mhmm. And that is hard for me. Can I tell

34:55

you a story? Yeah. We're

34:55

just going I just feel like I need to tell you

34:57

this. I don't know if this is for a

34:59

question later, but I was I was preaching this

35:01

message yesterday -- Yeah. -- two days ago --

35:03

Yeah. -- at a

35:03

church in Florida. And so, you know and

35:06

I use the

35:08

Ethiopian Munich as my as

35:10

my as my teaching in a faith based

35:12

school. From

35:12

acts from acts

35:13

You can go read it. Okay. Ask Act chapter

35:15

eight, you got Philip, who's a

35:17

follower of Yeah. And he is told by the spirit to get

35:19

up and go to a road. Right? He goes to a road. Again,

35:21

you're getting a thirty minute survey in in two

35:24

minutes here. But he goes around and

35:26

when he's out the road, he sees an

35:28

Ethiopian UNIC in a

35:30

chariot. Yeah. K? So just so everyone knows

35:32

what that

35:32

means, that is a black castrated man

35:34

that is writing in luxury. Yeah.

35:36

So

35:36

three things that automatically make

35:39

this Ethiopian unique completely different than the crowd that

35:41

Philip would ever hang out with. Yeah. And the

35:44

spirit not only told him to go to the road, but

35:46

then the spirit said go up to the

35:48

cherry. Yeah. So

35:50

my whole message is you gotta go up to the chariot of the people that don't

35:52

look like you think like you love like

35:54

you, vote like you. And then not

35:56

only that, but then when he got

35:59

to the chariot, he had to get in the chariot. Right? So like I I like I

36:01

go I press in. I'm stepping on toes on the

36:03

whole message. I'm like, what's the chariot? You're not you

36:06

gotta go get in

36:08

that chair. Is that a trump or cherry? Is that a Biden cherry? Is that a black lives matter

36:10

cherry? Is that a blue lives matter cherry? What's the cherry

36:12

you gotta get in and you gotta go to it and get in

36:14

it? Right? So like I'm stepping on toes, I'm

36:16

feeling good. Then at the end of the

36:18

service. People are coming up pretty soon. And that does not

36:20

feel good. Okay. We're so

36:22

different. I'm like, I'm hugging. Feeling

36:24

good. Your nose has been dutch.

36:26

I I like I have been giving a gift to step on toes

36:28

and and people want me

36:30

to step on them more. Alright. I don't know what

36:32

that is, but it's it's just it's.

36:34

And so I'm invited into

36:36

that. I'm doing that. Like, people are being

36:38

challenged. And after the

36:40

service, I'm standing

36:42

there. And you know, you got the people that are greeting you in line and this

36:44

this probably like sixty five year old

36:46

white man. This is very important,

36:47

though. I said white man. I don't

36:49

want to say but just keep

36:52

going with

36:52

me. He comes up to me, Annie, and

36:54

I'm still shook by this because it's only

36:56

a few weeks ago. Yeah. He looks

36:58

at me, his lip trembling, and

37:01

he looks so pissed. He looks like he's

37:03

gonna take a shot at

37:04

me. Literally, like, literally, I I've never

37:07

felt like I needed to, like, look to where see

37:09

where the security is. Security is. But I

37:11

did. I turned and made eye contact -- Yeah. -- for the security guy. And

37:13

and it's only because he the man stood

37:15

there for ten seconds

37:18

almost trembling, not saying anything to you.

37:20

And finally, this

37:21

man goes, looks at me and my eyes, and it

37:23

was actually so cute the way he said it. Because the word that I

37:25

use, he said,

37:28

I've been prejudice my whole life. Yeah.

37:30

And this is me coming

37:33

up to your chariot. Can

37:36

I please get in your

37:38

chair? And he opened his

37:40

arms. Oh,

37:42

not

37:43

gonna cry on the

37:45

podcast. Hold on. He

37:47

opened his arms

37:49

And I just embraced

37:52

him. Yeah. And it

37:54

felt like ten minutes. That would have been awkward

37:56

if it was, but it was probably thirty

37:58

seconds. not

38:00

another word was spoken. Wow. He

38:02

let me go look me in the

38:04

eyes, turn around, walked out the back

38:07

door. And that

38:10

is what I'm talking about. That's it. That

38:12

that is it. Did

38:14

did he Did he

38:16

completely change every bit of

38:18

his views? No. Yeah. Did it

38:19

but what did he do? He didn't turn his back on

38:22

his values. Yeah.

38:22

He turned his heart towards me. Yes.

38:24

And and that's the beginning. And that's that's the goal

38:27

it gets in the cherry. And it's

38:29

gonna it's gonna feel impossible

38:32

and guess what? That probably wasn't possible for him because he was sixty five. Yes. But it

38:35

was holy spirit that gave him the strength. Yes. To

38:37

this. So for those of you thinking like, well,

38:39

Carlos, listen, my son or

38:42

my daughter is struggling with this. They their viewpoint of

38:44

everything is completely opposite. Guess what?

38:46

Getting their terrier. Yeah. Yeah. And and

38:48

it's not gonna be through your strength. It's

38:51

gonna be through the power of holy spirit. That is the only

38:53

way we can do it.

38:54

I mean, you you said you'd change your

38:57

heart even if your values don't change.

38:59

But I think what would correct me on this,

39:01

but where your treasure is is where your heart is. Yes. Where

39:03

your treasure is, where your heart is. And so that leads me

39:05

to think that if we turn

39:08

our hearts

39:08

Yeah. Towards this, that our values will at

39:10

some point align. Yes. Absolutely.

39:12

So so we can allow people

39:16

to change their hearts in a way we will never know and see -- Uh-huh.

39:18

-- and hope that we see their values

39:20

line up too. Yes. Absolutely. That's the

39:24

thing, because I'm so scared that as we're going

39:26

toward another election cycle

39:28

that we are gonna because what I think I think

39:30

one thing that has happened is in twenty sixteen, we

39:32

had massive separation --

39:34

Sure. -- all the way up through twenty twenty. Yep.

39:36

And then it felt like people went like, oh, I

39:38

can listen to someone who isn't like me. I'm

39:40

settling my my blood pressure's going

39:42

down. Yep. Or they went forget

39:44

it or not even gonna try. In either way, it got

39:46

calmer. Yes. And my fear is it's

39:48

gonna get un calm

39:49

again. Sure.

39:50

Yeah. And it is. And what do we do when it's our next door neighbor? Or the guy

39:52

or the woman who sits next to us that that

39:54

we have we have our values and

39:56

they are very woke. If we

39:58

don't agree. Yeah. We have our values and they are they are very the

40:01

person next to us is very traditional. Yeah. It

40:03

doesn't agree with anything like

40:06

Yeah. How do we stay friends? Did your friendship start

40:09

with their political view?

40:11

Did did it start there? Why

40:13

would it end there? So I I just I just

40:16

keep having that conversation with myself. That's

40:18

just like If you're

40:18

why did if it didn't start with your

40:21

political view, should

40:22

with you, I hope you think that is a really good question. So

40:24

so just oh, you

40:26

know, I know things are important to us.

40:29

I know that these issues are

40:31

that I've got very is important to me. Yeah.

40:33

I've got a best friend my

40:35

best friend since I was eighteen years old

40:37

-- Yeah. -- twenty twenty. And this is the story

40:39

is in the book. Twenty

40:41

twenty He unfollowed me. He he lives in

40:44

Nashville. He unfollowed me. And I didn't know

40:46

it until we invited him over for dinner a

40:48

couple months into the year, maybe towards the end

40:50

of the year. And I

40:52

realized, why he hasn't texted me? He

40:54

hasn't. And all of a sudden, I was like, oh my

40:56

gosh, he's unfollowed me. I

40:58

know why. Because I I know where he kinda politically lays and where I

41:00

do. And he comes out of my house.

41:02

And super long story

41:04

short, we have the conversation.

41:07

And he tells me, I I am nothing like he

41:10

thought he I'm not who he thought I was.

41:12

I'm not all these things. And now we start to I tell

41:14

him, well, you're not who I thought you

41:16

were. And I was immediately told that because the

41:18

relationship was ending over

41:19

politics. Yeah. And the holy spirit was so loud

41:21

going to stop.

41:24

Stop. Listen. You have rooted for the same thing

41:27

together for a lot of

41:29

same things. The falcons afford

41:31

together. Literally, like, the

41:34

epitome of horribleness. K?

41:36

You've

41:36

rooted

41:36

for together since you were eighteen years old. Yes. You've

41:38

rooted for this together. You've root for all these things

41:41

together. one thing you're not

41:42

rooting for together, and you're gonna end everything with

41:44

this. So I so the next

41:47

day, I

41:48

literally it was it was it was what I needed to do, and I didn't

41:50

know this was what we needed to do to heal our relationship. I

41:52

said, hey, we're not gonna come we're not

41:54

gonna come an agreement on these things. Yeah.

41:58

But do you wanna buy season tickets to Nashville, let's see And every

42:00

week -- Wow. -- or every home

42:02

game, we get to go sit next to

42:05

each other. Yeah. And scream and high fives and root for

42:07

the same --

42:07

Yes. -- sing. Yes. He

42:09

said, yeah. Andy, can

42:11

I tell you? Finding

42:14

something we could root for weekly

42:16

together has healed our

42:18

relationship in

42:19

ways. Wow. What a great idea?

42:21

That, like, that, like, a

42:23

prayer never did. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It it

42:25

just was

42:26

conversation three times. Three times never

42:29

did. You know? And and, yes, we

42:31

are not talking about things that are

42:33

important. But guess what? You're you're not supposed to talk about things that

42:35

are, like, all the time. Every time

42:37

-- Right. Come on.

42:38

-- I got a quick Nashville SC.

42:42

Are y'all did y'all renew your season tickets? I did. Did

42:43

you stay in the sunshine? I did. Oh, you're so

42:46

brave. I did. Listen. Listen. So hot

42:48

over there where

42:50

you guys It's it's hot where we are. We're we're right. We're I'm right

42:52

at midfield, second row, but I feel

42:54

like it's the best -- Australian

42:56

wineries. -- it's the best view for, like, the

42:59

like, a I'm a soccer fan that goes to a game and

43:01

doesn't wanna talk --

43:01

Yes. --

43:02

I just wanna watch the game. So, like, it's basically the

43:04

TV view. So, like, the TV cameras that you

43:06

watch if you watch a soccer game on TV,

43:08

It's that it's that view. Yes. Now the only way I could get view on the

43:10

not sunny side is to pay a few

43:13

thousand more dollars to be in a club

43:15

for a game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

43:18

It's no joke. It's no joke over there. So That's why I picked that's why we're

43:20

in the end zone. Yes. Because we Did you know when you

43:22

bought tickets, you could move the sun online? I

43:25

did not know that. Yes.

43:27

I did. So one of the girls in our group, there's

43:29

about fifteen of us that bought together. Yeah. And

43:31

one of the girls in our group was,

43:34

like, we have to be down here.

43:36

So we're Well, can I tell you what's what's horrible is I like to I've

43:38

got my system. I I show up to the I

43:40

show up thirty minutes early. I get in thirty minutes

43:42

early, and I buy my first beer.

43:45

And and and I get my home

43:48

style beer brewed here in Nashville and

43:50

I sit there. But if it's a sunny day,

43:52

because then I like to buy my second beer at halftime. Okay. And

43:54

if it's a super hot day, I

43:55

can't do it because I'm literally lit.

43:58

Right. And I'm like, this vial tells me I

44:00

can't be

44:02

this. I like to just enjoy my drink with your dehydrated

44:04

and sweating and so, like, it ruins everything

44:06

when it's sunny. We really had a system

44:08

of, like, thirty minutes early. Yep. And

44:10

I would go because sprite is

44:12

my Oh, dear. There you go. And so I would go get my Sprite

44:15

and those cups are refillable. Yes. And so

44:17

then I am just making

44:20

myself sick with so much

44:21

spray. But now that they let you bring in water bottles, which is brilliant. Yes.

44:23

I love Nashville SCI think it's

44:25

just a spiritual gift for you. I know

44:27

that sounds silly, but It

44:29

is. There it has shifted

44:30

something. That building is something that in

44:33

a hundred years, we're gonna know that that

44:35

building mattered for the

44:36

spirituality of our sin. I I think so. It's it's something I don't know why. I

44:38

think that's weird,

44:39

but Well and shout out to

44:41

to Faffa, our new

44:44

winger. He -- Yeah. -- to who is from Houston. He's gonna score

44:46

more goals than people think. We we become

44:48

friends. I'm gonna put him on your podcast, you

44:51

know. Yes. He loves the He's new to Nashville and

44:53

just moved here. But we yeah. I I've

44:55

Yeah. Until aftermarket aftermarket. And and

44:57

Jack mayor, like, I've developed some

45:00

friendships with by four of the guys

45:02

on the team that are just they're just it's they're

45:04

good dudes and they love the city and

45:06

they're bringing something new to Nashville.

45:08

Right? It's just so far

45:10

and they're healing my relationship with my best friends or keep playing soccer.

45:12

You never know what the thing you're doing -- Yeah. --

45:14

is healing for somebody else. And what people what I remind

45:16

them is you're about to turn fifty.

45:20

I am. So you're doing all of this thinking

45:22

to yourself. You're not the a young man who

45:24

still has a lot of life to decide how you wanna

45:26

be. Exactly. You're like, no, I am an

45:29

middle aged person who is still open to

45:31

change. Oh, yes. And open to conversations. Yes.

45:33

And that's I mean, I find myself being like,

45:35

well, I'm not gonna learn that new technology

45:38

because I've I'm like, hey, you are four. No. No.

45:40

Exactly. Like, I I you know, it's been funny

45:42

because I this year, in

45:44

twenty twenty three,

45:46

I turned fifty weeks. Yes. Which is, know, only it's been crazy

45:48

because, like Was forty when we did the double decker

45:50

bus? Yes. Forty was when we did the double

45:52

decker bus.

45:54

A fun birthday. I had a awesome freaking birthday party double decker bus.

45:56

So all your favorite places in town.

45:58

We went to your counseling office. We

46:01

went to literally took all my

46:02

friends to my therapist. So I was still from

46:04

my forty I can't even believe

46:06

that that happened, but not for fifty.

46:09

You know, here I am, you know,

46:11

and again, like like I just think

46:13

to myself, unless I got, you

46:16

know, who knows? I don't wanna live to be a hundred and ten

46:18

years old. I don't wanna do I don't

46:20

wanna watch everyone die that I I love. So I know that there's probably less life in

46:22

front of me than there is behind me -- Okay.

46:24

-- which for me is like

46:27

I think a lot of people may go through these

46:29

mid life crisis at this point, and

46:31

I am so freaking excited --

46:34

Yeah. -- like about every because here's the

46:36

thing, like, at not until I was forty eight, any, did

46:38

God give me the platform that I

46:40

currently have? Yeah. So I I

46:41

mean, I remember thinking

46:42

at thirty, like, Lord, what what would we do? Even at forty, like,

46:44

I don't I don't know. And then

46:46

suddenly at forty eight. Yeah. Okay. So

46:48

listen to everyone listening to podcasts that's like, I

46:50

don't want to do with my life. I

46:53

don't know. It was at forty eight freaking years

46:55

old was when God finally was, like, here

46:57

it is. And now you're in your suite. But you

46:59

were already doing so much good work

47:01

Oh. For us and for him. So you were

47:03

on a path for

47:04

Vince. One day you go, this is what

47:06

I was before. Yeah. I'm at forty

47:08

eight. So

47:09

here So encourage. Yeah. So here I am doing things going

47:11

on my first, like, headlining tour -- Yeah. --

47:14

with you at fifty. I'm at

47:16

forty

47:16

nine. I'll be forty

47:16

nine when it happens. You know? And so it's

47:19

like, man, the the I'm looking at the next fifteen

47:21

years of my life. It's like, I'm gonna have

47:23

the biggest impact, the

47:26

deepest impact be be more trustworthy,

47:28

wise, like, man, this is a sweet spot. Like,

47:30

now it's time to go. Yeah. I've been just

47:32

getting ready for this

47:34

time. Yes. So

47:35

And you're gonna learn fifty new things. So

47:37

Fifty Spheres. Why is fifty Spheres by

47:40

fifty years? So

47:41

because, a, I've just been in, like,

47:43

Rick Warren, Andy's Stanley Lam for too long. So I was trying to

47:45

think something

47:45

about the ride. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.

47:48

Got it. Like a

47:50

sphere of So, like, what what are these

47:52

spheres that I'm gonna learn? So so I've made a decision that by

47:54

by the time I turn fifty, I wanna learn

47:58

fifty new skills. Yeah. Like

48:00

fifty new things. And I'm not talking about, like, you

48:02

know, it doesn't have these things

48:04

don't have to be massive, but they can't be. They can't be huge.

48:06

But Yeah. So, like, the first thing that I learned to do

48:08

when I decided to do this, was to

48:10

solve a Rubik's cube. I am dying to learn that.

48:12

Maybe I need to learn on tour. I learned how to

48:14

juggle two years ago. Okay. So I learned to solve a Rubik's cube.

48:16

I did it in four minutes and twenty seconds. And that was a month ago.

48:18

And now I'm at one minute and twenty

48:20

seconds. I can solve the Linux cube. And

48:22

my goal is by fifty to solve

48:24

it in under a minute. I need you to let go of once you've learned

48:26

them and move on to the next thing. You've got to

48:29

get fifty figs in ten months. I know. You've

48:31

spent a month getting faster with

48:33

it. That is not how you do that. That's true. Hey, I need your

48:35

help because, like, I am a perfectionist when it comes to these

48:37

things. So yeah. So I'm like, we we

48:40

gotta beehive.

48:42

So like like in the spring, I'm gonna learn a bit to be a beekeeper. Yeah.

48:44

So listen. For some of your listeners, if they've

48:46

got things that that they think

48:49

would be cool. Yes. You know, maybe on tour, I can learn

48:51

some other things. So for our friends listening, if you have

48:53

something quick, you can teach Carlos, like, how

48:55

to juggle -- Yes. -- or

48:57

how to fix something or a an app on the phone

48:59

that he needs. Teach him how to fix. You just

49:01

reach out to us at tell me more at any

49:03

after help dot com. Yes. And tell us what you

49:06

can teach Carlos On one of

49:08

our tour

49:08

cities, we gotta get you twelve. Let's That's

49:10

my goal. I'm gonna get

49:11

you twelve in June. That's amazing. So

49:13

I I love that. So so again, I actually have

49:15

a list of thirty right now I've

49:17

left twenty open on purpose. Okay. So that

49:20

as as you take care of twelve off You can take

49:22

care of twelve over. And by the time I

49:24

I'm fifty years old. I'm gonna know more than I did when I was forty nine.

49:26

That's so pretty excited about that.

49:30

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49:32

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49:34

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52:25

with Carlos. Okay. So for

52:28

our friends listening, they're

52:30

gonna go out and

52:34

get book, get how to human. How can we pray for how to human?

52:36

What would you really want people to

52:37

pray? Yeah. So this book is

52:40

it was written for everybody but not everybody

52:43

ready. Okay? And so some people

52:46

may be ready as they start to

52:48

remake be ready halfway through. Yeah. But I I'm

52:50

asking

52:51

how do human it's it's not a b human c humans

52:53

for humans, isn't a bumper sticker? I mean, it could be.

52:55

Can I help

52:56

you? Yeah. Some but here's the thing. It's

52:59

like it's hard Yeah. And so, you know, I bring up issues

53:01

in the, you know, in the book that may be

53:04

difficult for people to, you know,

53:06

digest. And maybe, Carlos, I don't know if I

53:08

can if I can think about this

53:10

or so the prayer

53:12

is is that when someone picks it

53:14

up, that holy spirit really gets them

53:16

ready to do the

53:18

hard work on seeing people. Because going up to

53:20

chariots, again, that's one thing. Go

53:22

up to the chariot. Okay. I'm in front of

53:24

the chariot that I don't

53:26

agree with. But getting in the chariot.

53:28

Yeah. That that that's what I'm praying. That peep because if people can get in the

53:30

chariot, twenty twenty four

53:32

when the election comes -- Yeah.

53:36

It's gonna be a lot better if we're in each other's chair. Yeah. Okay.

53:38

I'm gonna try really the first thing

53:40

I'm thinking through as I I mean, I've

53:43

I endorsed it. I've read it. Yes. But one of the things

53:45

I'm thinking through is, okay, I need to

53:48

even have a conversation with the

53:50

Lord of who is

53:52

my Ethiopian? Yes. Yes.

53:54

Because -- Yeah. -- such a a

53:56

dated reference. I'm kind of a pollyanna about something

53:58

since I'm kinda

53:59

like, We're okay. Yeah. We're fine. Yeah. But then I'm

54:01

like, no. There's probably people that I don't

54:04

actually even pay attention to the bias in my

54:06

heart. Mhmm. And I need the

54:08

Lord to open my

54:09

eyes, which is -- Oh, that's not a choice. --

54:09

and I go first and look at it for that. Well, you know who is? Who

54:12

is? And so I try to go first. Yeah. I I

54:14

try

54:15

to I told people about my neighbor James and how I have bias. And

54:18

so so just know, we all have it and

54:20

and we can we can all get over it. Yeah. That's right.

54:22

Here's what is we all bring bias as

54:24

this day. Yeah. And so we just

54:26

think about them and just work on them. Yeah. And

54:28

so yeah. Yeah. I love it. Okay. What do we

54:30

not say? Do you wanna make sure we say? I mean, I don't know.

54:32

I think that's it. Go get the books tomorrow. I

54:35

get your tour. Take digits? Yeah. Get get the book. Get tour tickets. I'm

54:37

gonna talk about the book on the tour. Yeah. Bring your

54:39

books if you want to and come tour. I'll sign them.

54:41

Yeah. Yeah. If you if you go to the post

54:43

party, you'll have an opportunity Carlos to sign

54:45

up if you to. buddy. last we always ask -- Yeah. -- because the show

54:47

is called, that sounds fun. Yes. Tell me what

54:49

sounds fun to you. Oh

54:51

my gosh. What sounds fun to me?

54:54

Now that I mean, if we're

54:56

speaking on soccer -- Yes. -- I've been

54:58

really I've been really in the soccer. I I

55:00

mean, listen, that's that's It is my

55:02

it's become my number one favorite sport. It's been

55:04

crazy in the last two years. Well, not when the

55:06

falcons are the falcons. No. I know. That's

55:07

You know, Arthur

55:10

Blankly respect I know. But you are a hearts,

55:12

nature. Let's go.

55:13

So what sounds fun to

55:15

me is, Nationalisty

55:18

having deep playoff run

55:19

-- Yes. -- and the

55:22

US men's national team not being

55:24

steeped in drama twenty four seven. That's that's what

55:26

sounds fun me. I mean, the last time we were

55:28

in the office was a big US soccer drama. We were like, hey, sorry, everybody

55:30

else. We know y'all care, but Carlos

55:32

and I have to process

55:34

what is happening on the US, mid national team. Yes. No. Absolutely. It's it's been

55:37

a lot of job. But, no, I what sounds fun?

55:39

I mean, the MLS season starting in, like, nineteen

55:41

days. So Start so

55:43

sick. Yeah. So that's impressive. I'm so happy when you

55:45

get to our COVID. Well, and what's fun is

55:47

is that it's it's been, like, kinda, COVID ish,

55:50

COVIDy. So, like, the

55:52

schedule's been COVIDy when it comes to MLS, so things have been off as

55:54

far as since our last year,

55:55

our first game was not in February.

55:56

Vegas. So this is the first true,

55:59

like, MLS season again.

56:01

So all the hot days in the stadium, like, are gonna

56:03

be late season as opposed to, like, man.

56:05

Having to suffer. Yes. Yeah.

56:07

So anyway Well, you're gonna live it up

56:09

in February and March. Well, I'm shivering. Yeah.

56:11

That's right. That's insane. I'm trying to get What's up,

56:14

Annie? Yeah. It's a beauty beauty sea. So

56:16

why don't you come out here in the sun? It

56:18

probably will. I'll be like, I need to

56:20

warm. Yeah. I can't wait. I

56:22

was so excited when I saw my season tickets

56:24

that they started in

56:24

February. Yeah. Yeah. I I would love that

56:27

too. A US women play in the

56:29

world up this summer. That's right. Let's go. We have got

56:31

a great year of soccer. Absolutely. Oh, I can't

56:33

wait. Okay. Friends. It's gonna be good. Grab out a

56:35

human. Grab your tickets and get a

56:37

soccer. Let's go. Let me buddy. Thanks for

56:39

doing this so much. I'm so glad we get to tour. Let's go.

56:42

Oh, he is just

56:44

the best, so smart.

56:47

I will and hard about the enneagram and

56:49

yoga and how those two are so I mean, what what

56:51

a great analogy? And man,

56:54

his new book all you have to get a

56:56

copy of how to human. It is

56:58

so good. It's so good. And follow him

57:00

on social media. Join the

57:02

instafamilia. So you can tell him thanks

57:04

for being on the today. And

57:06

be sure you've made plans and grab your tickets

57:08

to come hang out with me and Carlos for

57:10

the year for you tour. You heard us.

57:12

We absolutely and I'll wait. Just go

57:15

to here for youtour dot com and get

57:17

your tickets today. So, okay, we heard what

57:19

sounds fun to Carlos. Now, let's hear what sounds

57:21

fun to one of our friends. Who's listening

57:23

just like you. Okay, Kayla, because the show is called,

57:25

that sounds fun. Tell me what sounds

57:27

fun to you.

57:29

I'm Kayla. I'm from Saint Louis, Missouri, and

57:32

the thing that sounds fun to me

57:34

is starting to plan my church's

57:36

resurrection party. Oh, wow. It's two

57:38

thousand twenty three.

57:40

So our resurrection party, we did this

57:42

we started this probably seven or eight

57:45

years ago. The Sunday after

57:47

East year. We throw a essentially a

57:49

wedding feast to celebrate the resurrection,

57:52

and we it's

57:54

open drink open food, DJ, dance party,

57:56

toast. It is essentially

57:58

a wetting feast. Oh my god. So

58:00

you're planning a wedding reception

58:02

pretty much.

58:04

Yeah. So, Mike, there's no weird the

58:06

drive is gonna show up. Mhmm. Maybe that

58:08

your idea will come as well. One

58:10

could only hope, so we will

58:14

be there Oh, yeah. It's it's it's one of

58:16

my top three favorite

58:18

weekends of the year. I think that's so

58:20

cool. What are you in charge of? Are

58:22

you, like, a committee or a youth

58:24

committee? I'm the committee.

58:26

Girl. Yeah. So I I we

58:28

throw it down. We but it's very easy

58:31

Yeah. So it's it's great. We partner

58:33

with a local brewery that loves Jesus as

58:35

well, and they donate their space to us.

58:37

And so we, yeah, we get after

58:39

it and celebrate to go Okay. So when it happens

58:41

this year, will you tag me a picture so I can

58:43

see it? One hundred percent. Oh, I will take

58:45

my Instagram off of private for you. For

58:48

just a

58:50

minute. Then I'll screen shot. Just you go back and I'll share. Love it.

58:52

Great answer. Thank you, Kayla.

58:54

No

58:55

problem. Thank you. Oh, I

58:57

love it. That's so fun. If you

58:59

need anything else from me, you know, easy to find, any up downs on Instagram,

59:02

Twitter, Facebook. All the places you

59:04

may need me, that is

59:06

how you can find me. And

59:08

I think that's it for me today friends. Go out

59:10

or stay home and do something that sounds fun to you

59:12

and I'll do the same. Today, what

59:14

sounds fun to me? Now this not some fun deal, but that's

59:16

okay because we don't judge our fun. My

59:18

dining room table is a mess. And what

59:20

sounds fun to me today after work is cleaning

59:22

it off. I've got to do it. I can't away. Y'all have a

59:24

great week. We'll see you back here on Thursday with

59:26

a return visit from one of your favorite

59:28

dudes and one of my favorite

59:30

dudes. Micah Tyler. Y'all

59:32

been asking for us to have him back since he

59:34

made us all laugh till we literally cried on

59:36

that that sounds fun tour. So here

59:38

he is. And, yes, I wrote the forward to his new book. I love this

59:40

dude. Okay. Can't wait for y'all to hear this

59:42

conversation. We'll see you

59:44

on Thursday.