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just hours away, as the

1:00

11th hour gets underway on

1:02

this Wednesday night. Good

1:10

evening, once again, I'm Stephanie Ruhl. We are now 223 days

1:12

away from the election, and

1:16

we are learning more about the

1:18

crossover between Donald Trump's political fundraising

1:20

and his court cases. According

1:23

to the New York Times, Donald Trump has spent, are

1:25

you ready for this number? More than $100 million on

1:27

legal bills since 2021. That

1:33

is more than 90 grand a day. Tell

1:36

your kids to be lawyers one day. Trump

1:39

has relied almost completely on donations from

1:41

people made to fight the results of the 2020

1:43

election to pay for it all. The $254 million

1:45

donation number you see at the top of your

1:47

screen right now was

1:52

what Trump managed to raise between the

1:54

day after the election and President Biden's

1:56

inauguration. Well, Only a

1:58

teeny little fraction. That money

2:00

actually went towards challenging the

2:03

election results. But. Now that money

2:05

is drying up and Trump will either have

2:07

to find another source of gas. The.

2:09

Start button the bills. Itself may.

2:11

Law President Biden poll numbers are showing

2:14

some very positive sign. A new Quinnipiac

2:16

poll has him leading Trump by three,

2:18

but that is within the margin of

2:21

error and a Bloomberg pull out earlier

2:23

this week on the President's numbers are

2:25

going up in six of seven swing

2:28

states, but still trailing or statistically tied

2:30

the trunk. This comes as President Biden

2:32

wraps up and eighteen day travel schedule

2:35

following his state of the Union. He

2:37

made sobs a different say that could

2:39

be crucial in November. With that. Let's

2:42

get smarter without of our lease on

2:44

him the seasoning and B C White

2:46

House correspondent Michael Mammal Each is covered

2:49

President Biden, his family and his inner

2:51

circle of advisers for over ten years.

2:53

Mckay Toppings, a staff writer for The

2:55

Atlantic and a new Msnbc political contributor

2:58

and former Near prosecutor and Civil Rights

3:00

attorney Charles Com and Charles to weekly

3:02

start with this reporting, learning that Trump

3:04

legal bills he spent a hundred million

3:07

bucks. Most of it. Donor.

3:09

Dollars? Yeah, I'm. Guessing they're have

3:11

to delete Be at least some

3:13

people who wrote Tracks Corner happy

3:15

that those checks are out there

3:18

paying his lawyers. Are would imagine

3:20

so in a fight us boots him try.

3:22

But generally speaking this is more of a

3:24

political problem is a legal problem. What I

3:26

mean by that is see how of apparently

3:29

follow the guidelines about what he can spend

3:31

money on specific the fact that the people

3:33

who decided to donate to his campaign or

3:35

been suckered and they are now understanding that

3:38

Donald Trump never intended to have a C

3:40

B election protect the election but he never

3:42

intended to actually do the things that seem

3:44

to say he was more to do as

3:46

a candidate see was speaking primarily as. A

3:49

defendant's was you have been a big

3:51

about soccer to us regardless of how

3:53

much money donald Trump or spinning or

3:55

more years if somehow. She. Makes

3:57

about to six hundred up a sushi underpin.

3:59

the was more than worth it. Damn.

4:02

Well, he could also argue. You know, we could

4:04

laugh and say, I thought he was a rich

4:06

guy not paying his own bills. He would argue

4:08

that makes him a smart, rich guy. Why would

4:10

he use his own money if legally he can

4:13

use other people's? But McKay,

4:15

he's currently struggling to

4:18

fundraise, at least this time around. Now that

4:20

it's public that all of these donor dollars

4:22

are going to his legal bills, could

4:24

it make it more difficult for him to raise

4:26

money going forward? I

4:30

think that if you are somebody who is

4:32

donating to the Trump campaign, you are going

4:35

to reach a point where you want to

4:37

see return on investment. You want to see

4:39

where that money is going. And

4:42

I think it's going to become

4:44

more and more complicated to get

4:46

those donors to keep ponying up.

4:49

When you have stories like you saw

4:51

in the Associated Press this week showing

4:53

that in key battleground states across the

4:56

country, the Trump campaign has

4:58

effectively no general

5:00

election campaign apparatus. Joe

5:03

Biden has hired 350 new staffers, opened

5:06

100 new offices across battleground states

5:08

this month alone. The Trump

5:11

campaign has done basically nothing. I

5:13

think that if you're a Republican donor

5:16

and you're considering whether to raise money

5:18

for Donald Trump's campaign, you're going to

5:20

have to start reading those stories and

5:22

wondering, am I raising money

5:24

just to keep paying this guy's legal fees?

5:26

Or am I raising money to win a

5:29

general election? And if the Trump campaign

5:31

can't make a compelling case to those donors, yeah, I

5:33

think it's going to be harder to keep raising money.

5:35

Well, McKay, what about Republicans in some of

5:37

these down-valid races? Should they be worried

5:39

that there won't be any RNC money

5:41

left for them after Trump takes it

5:43

all to pay his lawyers? Well,

5:48

I think that you're going to see mounting

5:51

discontent and increasingly public discontent, if

5:53

that is, in fact, the case.

5:57

It's clear that there has been some behind

5:59

the scenes. The seems blow on

6:01

this classroom because you see Lara Trans

6:03

or Donald Trump's daughter in law who

6:05

is now Coach Erik the are in

6:08

it's and kind of furiously backpedaling Sanders

6:10

beyond the isn't going to cover his

6:12

legal bills After all, we're not going

6:14

to do that. Every penny of every

6:16

dollar is going to go into his

6:18

campaigns. Are you know that that you

6:20

don't see her go out and make

6:23

comments like that's And last year in

6:25

a situation where you are hearing privately

6:27

it's not just from donors but from

6:29

Republican officials. That they are extremely

6:31

frustrating. You. Mean sitting down with terrorism

6:34

is an hour large complex to start

6:36

every Wednesday morning. I'm soft leather less.

6:38

Ah, the. That's how. My

6:41

says so I mean less.

6:43

Less less and thought about President

6:46

Biden. That is all. dance on

6:48

his healing that these legal those

6:50

the President has been out there

6:52

campaigning eighteen days. Eight states tell

6:54

us that. It's while. You noticed that

6:56

as a political reporter, we usually try that out

6:58

work. our competitors get inside the campaign playbook, get

7:00

the scoop of what's the strategy really as the

7:03

bank. If they put their cars on the table,

7:05

they said these are the battleground states and we're

7:07

learning. that is based on where the presence been

7:09

this month. Where is he thinks he can compete

7:11

for learning how he thinks he can pizza? For

7:14

instance, he goes to.com and I was that the

7:16

event yesterday. Talk about health care, abortion rights, the

7:18

expansion of Medicaid in North Carolina. They think those

7:20

are issues the present could run on and and

7:22

wins. When he was in Nevada he was. talk

7:24

about housing costs. We know the impact of the

7:27

housing crisis there. and two thousand and eight, the

7:29

affordability crisis is still big issue. Their New Hampshire

7:31

you saw him again lowering prices. So we're learning

7:33

a lot about how the Biden team thinks Bacon

7:35

wins in November. and one of the things that

7:38

the point of concerts during those same eighteen days.

7:40

Donald. Trump was only holding one campaign event the

7:42

entire time and so we thought. The lot about

7:44

you know age as an issue in this campaign.

7:46

the by campaigns wondering what does anybody have noticed

7:49

that were the only ones campaigning? The one is

7:51

running in the basement or the courtroom as it

7:53

were is Donald Trump. I

7:55

do want to talk about President Biden and his

7:57

Masters and we're not series and use the term.

8:00

It now makes anymore. There are

8:02

still lots of great data points

8:04

that are lots of positive things

8:06

about the economy. However, inflation looms.

8:09

Is. That the reason while he's going state

8:11

to state his his hearing that from

8:13

voters and nascar him kind of changing

8:15

his message. When I took the democratic strategist

8:18

they say listen there is a good economic story

8:20

to tell but what they want to hear more

8:22

from the President is empathy. He needs to understand

8:24

that yes the best friends or look good The

8:27

stock market is high but binds never been somebody

8:29

who puts his you know economic value on what

8:31

the Dow Jones says Today he was know what

8:33

the middle class what's the person to grow up

8:36

in a community like isn't screen things and so

8:38

when when you take the biden campaigns by namic

8:40

strategy they were thinking when it was a receding

8:42

let's look at how successful Obama Care was. Before

8:45

Bill Care Act's it was attacked. As Obamacare they

8:47

turn that around and made it a success. They

8:49

wanted to get ahead of what they thought Republicans

8:51

were going to do, which is attacked him on

8:53

the economy when they saw things getting better. So

8:55

maybe they bow the way from the slogan. but

8:57

that's not stopping the present from trying to do

8:59

what he can in these events to talk specifically

9:01

about the ways he thinks his economic windsor translating

9:03

for voters. It still comes down to a gut

9:05

feel though, and that's something many to work on.

9:08

Charles let's talk about down something

9:10

is classified documents case. He was

9:12

indicted over nine months without her.

9:15

By. A seems like alien can and

9:17

is you know, tipping the scales for

9:19

him every chance you possibly can get.

9:21

those single out there think there's no

9:23

chance of a trial before the election?

9:26

Leasing pretty wise or me I think it

9:28

is unclear me to consider how much outside

9:30

help Donald Trump his hat on all of

9:32

his criminal court. He says this is there.

9:34

Are the to hear justices suncor and even

9:36

the goods here? He's in the good

9:38

series of the tippy top of the

9:41

goods here. There's no question that this

9:43

is not a complicated litigation the more

9:45

larval Documents case is probably the most

9:48

straightforward of all of his criminal indictments

9:50

that he's precincts. And so the fact

9:52

that it has been a slow and

9:54

we haven't seen much movements is clearly

9:57

an invitation that's beyond what he's been

9:59

saying. Public beyond the maneuvers that his

10:01

attorneys have been Joyce and even beyond what

10:03

I leaned ten and has said, you are

10:06

now see how this justice system actually works.

10:08

The one thing I will point out as

10:10

I do think that Eileen can and has

10:12

gotten a bit gunshots because of how she's

10:14

been treated by the Eleventh Circuit's as so

10:16

she's not as quick to make any hasty

10:19

decision not to see was moving at work.

10:21

Marcus the I. See I make it any

10:23

the satellites which is a gift shops. Of

10:25

course it is. but to answer your question, I

10:27

do not see this getting off the ground before

10:29

the end of the you're certainly not before the

10:32

election or a different. Case on satellite. the

10:34

hush money case at here in New York

10:36

the has less than twenty four hours. Styles

10:38

hump was hit with a parcel gag order.

10:41

He. Is out there a talking to

10:43

people tied to this case that

10:45

not mentioned in the gag order

10:47

to judge and the judges daughter.

10:50

Any possible consequences for chomp or he's

10:52

gonna keep on trucking. As a usually

10:55

keep on trucking he does. It is a

10:57

very difficult space for just marshawn to be

10:59

in because they're the. Technical conflict

11:01

of interest by saying to him i'm

11:03

going to silence you were guarding talking

11:05

about me now with respect to his

11:07

safety should he have the right to

11:09

do that? Absolutely. But again we're talking

11:11

about a two tiered system of justice

11:13

here. seventy I could not be in

11:16

cook for traffic tickets and talk about

11:18

the judge the way that Donald Trump

11:20

has without facing repercussions. And so it

11:22

is important to point out and to

11:24

illustrates how the notions of power and

11:26

privilege continue to play parts in how

11:28

people since whole around this man who

11:30

has no regard. For the rule of law. Less

11:32

ah about another very powerful man who

11:34

does have great. Regards to the rule of

11:37

law President. Obama here times is

11:39

reporting that the former presidents is

11:41

now working a lot more closely

11:43

with the Biden team. Snatches: I'm

11:46

doing a potential appearance or of

11:48

fund raisers, but Astle Strategies help.

11:51

For the President because as his grave

11:53

concern that trunk and when the saints.

11:55

Yeah, present Obama is all in according

11:57

days for president by his reelection. There's.

12:00

The Take including in some ways his legacy. I

12:02

was told by a senior advisor to the former

12:04

President today that he and his team they're talking

12:06

to the Biden teams if not every day multiple

12:08

times a day. And now lot of people probably

12:11

wonder why My New York right now as well

12:13

as course. But because of what's happening tomorrow there

12:15

is this major fund raiser. Not just Barack Obama,

12:17

Bill Clinton joining Joe Biden countries. At least fifteen

12:20

million dollars for the campaign. Money is a big

12:22

where near. Sit here and you'll see right across

12:24

the street Radio City so much. Plan accordingly. Can

12:26

be No. is going to be a little bit

12:29

of a zoo. Up with this can

12:31

be a major been bring in a lot of

12:33

money for the campaign but what the was also

12:35

being helpful for the by team is be vice

12:37

he's getting are giving to the up to the

12:39

current president. I was told on Friday when he

12:42

was at the White House they were taping some

12:44

concern about the affordable Care Act he was talking

12:46

about. listen to see the union was great is

12:48

get people fired up, stay out on the road,

12:50

keep doing what you're doing eyes really connecting with

12:53

voters and to again hit that empathy point to

12:55

so these these two men were so closely together

12:57

of course and administration. There was a little bit

12:59

of hurt. Feelings of let's say on the part

13:01

of that the president that he did not support

13:04

him be a d of him running and twenty

13:06

sixteen course by decided not to run but they

13:08

are fully in life lock arms right now and

13:10

I. Understand hurt feelings I told our audience

13:12

you made a special appearance in New York

13:15

tonight for the eleventh hour and I saw.

13:18

The same for Obama or. Is

13:20

a very sad news. Former Senator Joe

13:23

Lieberman died at age eighteen to see

13:25

was a fiercely independent voice and the

13:27

health service Al Gore's running mean of

13:29

course it's and thousand so we've heard

13:32

from him most recently the has his

13:34

in the chairman of no Labels of

13:36

course the good kind of feels a

13:38

third party ticket for president. What is

13:41

his legacy and could it be defined.

13:43

By. What? No label? Is up to

13:46

right now. The.

13:49

i you know it's interesting i

13:51

think that what is happening with

13:53

no labels represents the and hours

13:56

and lieberman sparked as a public

13:58

figure in else For

14:00

a long time, I think he was

14:02

seen as in some ways an ideal

14:04

statesman, right? He was happy

14:07

to work across the aisle. He had friends on both

14:09

sides of the aisle. He

14:12

was once floated as a potential running mate for

14:14

John McCain in 2008. That shows just how politically

14:20

eclectic his various

14:22

friendships and positions were.

14:25

And I think for a long time, a

14:28

lot of people would look at him and

14:30

say that the Senate should have more people

14:32

like that. That is what we wanted from

14:34

the Senate. But we are now at a

14:36

moment where our politics is much more polarized,

14:39

much more divided. The stakes seem higher. A

14:41

lot of people believe that these stakes

14:44

are actually the very existence of democracy

14:46

in America. And so there isn't as

14:48

much patience for or appetite for

14:50

what Lieberman was up to. And,

14:53

you know, no labels, I think

14:56

now has represented kind of represents

14:59

where that sort of centrism bipartisanship

15:01

can go wrong. Because a lot

15:03

of people have real questions about

15:05

what they are actually trying to

15:08

achieve. Will they ultimately serve as

15:10

a spoiler ticket that

15:12

helps Donald Trump get back to the

15:14

White House? You know, there's been some

15:16

really good reporting on the behind the

15:18

scenes of the No Labels operation. Even

15:21

some of their own donors are kind of questioning what

15:23

they're up to. But, you know, I hope

15:25

that we can remember what the

15:28

good that Lieberman did and the period

15:30

of Washington that he represented, which was

15:32

a period when it

15:34

frankly was, you know, you could

15:37

argue that politics was taking

15:40

place between the 20 yard lines and

15:42

on a football

15:44

field, meaning that Republicans and Democrats were

15:47

a lot closer together 30, 40

15:49

years ago. But it is still,

15:52

you know, I think that what No Labels is

15:54

up to is going to be Something

15:58

that hurts his legacy going forward. Probably.

16:01

Or. To for me though Charles new

16:03

topic. He's gonna do extra credit tonight.

16:05

Talk us through what is happening to

16:07

Sean. Pissy Diddy Combs. Obviously it's

16:09

been reported to his homes in L

16:12

A in Miami have been rated A

16:14

Source telling Nbc News he is the

16:16

subject of the Federal Criminal Investigation. There's

16:18

obviously a ton we do not know,

16:21

but what can you tell. Us was

16:23

so you. This is probably not a good

16:25

sign for showing tones are that bravo? Very

16:27

little about the situation was his. Would I

16:29

do know is that you cannot gets a

16:31

as a federal agency a warrant to conduct

16:33

a raid if you do not have a

16:36

demonstration or have cause. Which means that at

16:38

this point it's likely that investigators or darling

16:40

their eyes and crossing a tease not try

16:42

to go on a fishing expedition. The other

16:44

thing that's very interesting about the Stephanie is

16:46

that I'm wondering yes we know that did.

16:48

He was the target of the race For

16:51

who else is involved, I'm not certain. That

16:53

this investigation is squarely limited to Sean Combs

16:55

as it was going to be very interesting

16:57

to see how did this rabbit hole goals.

17:00

and finally we all know the he have

17:02

a bunch of civil cases that he's dealing

17:04

with. Is it possible that some of those

17:06

allegations are some of those witnesses are going

17:09

to feed into this investigation because that is

17:11

very plausible in terms of how small force

17:13

me to.their messages as a week of really

17:15

see some of these arsenals civil cases become

17:18

for of his criminal trials. Oh is

17:20

it possible would you say in

17:22

your experience it's probable? That.

17:24

He's getting arrested. South that some of these

17:26

people associate it in a civil. Cases.

17:29

Just. Below. I.

17:31

Will not ask you I seem

17:33

like sweating sewing like years and

17:35

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17:38

that since hang like Charles thank

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bridge and Tsp Cheap Harmony says

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investigators will also look at whether

20:21

the ship received contaminated of fuel

20:23

which could have shot down be

20:25

engines causing it to lose power

20:27

before crashing into the bridge. While

20:30

we wait for answers. One thing

20:33

is for sore misinformation about the

20:35

collapse has been spreading unset according

20:37

to Ap sales on the site

20:39

formerly known as Twitter they were

20:41

quote baseless claims that the ship

20:43

had been the victim of the

20:46

cyber attack or had intentionally rammed

20:48

into the bridge. Absolute live suppose

20:50

even blamed when he said s.

20:52

Diversity and Inclusion Initiative. Another said

20:55

it was an attack from Israel.

20:57

As such garbage. I like struggle

20:59

to even say it and it

21:01

wasn't as random as on social

21:03

media public figures. People like Maria

21:05

Bartiromo on Fox News who used

21:07

to be an icon in business

21:10

news you know she did. She

21:12

blamed it on the border, the

21:14

open border. Marjorie. Teller Grace

21:16

she speculated it was an

21:18

intentional attack and Nancy Mesa

21:20

South Carolina she blames Oh

21:22

Biden Infrastructure. Bill. All.

21:24

Of this is false,

21:27

disgusting garbage and has

21:29

happened. Within. The last forty

21:31

eight hours. Bodies still aren't

21:33

recovered. Former. As the

21:36

Ice desolate him, Clint Watts joins me

21:38

now to discuss his also a consultant

21:40

to As The Eyes Counterterrorism division and

21:42

an Msnbc National Security Analysts. As you

21:44

can tell clients. I'm upset

21:46

and disappointed. I am disgusting. It

21:48

hasn't even been a full two

21:51

days since the collapse and these

21:53

conspiracy theories are everywhere. It seems

21:55

like they're spreading faster than they

21:57

used to what is going on.

22:02

Yeah, seventy eight, You know it. It

22:04

is not surprising. Unfortunately, while discussing and

22:06

lies outpace the truth, That's the way

22:09

social media is really become over the

22:11

last decade. That's any time there's any

22:13

sort a calamitous event, a catastrophe, something

22:15

some sort of tragedy that have, and

22:18

something induces fear. You see these conspiracies

22:20

immediately started to pop up. It important,

22:22

remember that audiences tend to believe things

22:25

when ever they're scared of where they've

22:27

seen some they've never seen before and

22:29

this was definitely one of those cases.

22:31

If you look at that video, it

22:34

was immediately. Shockingly just couldn't believe that

22:36

it happens with them. Vulnerability is really

22:38

is something that people pray on and

22:40

that's everything. From criminal fraudsters you know,

22:42

trying to get people to click on

22:44

links to donate to thanks to conspiracy

22:46

theorists are just trying to create enrage,

22:49

been an engagement and to really grow

22:51

their fallen or draw attention to themselves,

22:53

so it's not that surprising. I think

22:55

the key thing is these things aren't

22:57

exactly same. the theme is not exactly

22:59

the same. But in Ryan said, we

23:01

seen these conspiracies, there were nine eleven

23:04

hoax conspiracies. Around twenty years ago. This is very

23:06

similar terms of how it pops up. It's the

23:08

same kind of folks. the do it over and

23:10

over and they pussies conspiracies faster than we can

23:12

know the truth than just what you did on

23:14

this segment here. They're still trying to get the

23:16

bottom of why this happened right now. I

23:19

plant. It's not just crazy Uncle

23:21

Grandpa spreading means conspiracy theories. The

23:23

reasons people often believe is because

23:25

they're hearing it from trust and

23:28

sources their searing it from their

23:30

local congress woman who's saying how

23:32

it was biden. Sense of socks

23:34

are built from their morning news

23:36

lady on Fox saying it was

23:39

an open borders. How damaging is

23:41

that? that? it's not just coming

23:43

from some weirdos on the friends,

23:45

it's coming from public figures. That

23:49

for a severe his the three criteria of what

23:52

people tend to believe that would they her first

23:54

that would say you're the most and that was

23:56

comes from a trusted source of your here enough

23:58

and many different sources that they trust. A

24:00

conspiracy this been created very very quickly.

24:02

It's really hard to disrupt their now

24:04

So he saw Secretary Budaj as going

24:06

out with some facts talking about the

24:08

investigations go and on. A you're mentioning

24:10

what some of those cause my be

24:12

will We actually just don't know yet

24:14

there isn't enough time, run up and

24:16

of investigation. Meanwhile. A

24:19

fire hose a ball says will be launched

24:21

a cross the sort of social media you

24:23

of the system in the mainstream. Me: hooked

24:25

Ecosystems Well when you combine all that together

24:27

people aren't sure what to believe that I

24:29

can tell you just personally I received a

24:31

text message last time. somebody asking who was

24:34

behind this was this? there's some sort of

24:36

conspiracy they're asking me personally and I had

24:38

no reason to believe anything than it was

24:40

an accident and the we needed more time

24:42

to figure it out. Said just tells it

24:44

just as a personal level I am. I

24:46

feel it myself. I. Know that if

24:49

you're out there in the open decision in

24:51

the information space. Ten years ago we went

24:53

to social media we would assume things are

24:55

true. I think today if you go out

24:57

into the information may shift it really go

24:59

and thinking that maybe it's false or are

25:01

quite a bit off, especially dynamic braking. New

25:04

scenarios like this. Or rather than to sell

25:06

Kiss that garbage in a some of. These. Conspiracy

25:08

theories also focus on the deep

25:10

state. I want to

25:12

point out tonight with the actual

25:14

state accomplished. In Baltimore yesterday

25:17

after the Sept sent. Out a

25:19

mayday call at one o'clock in the morning.

25:21

Local law enforcement had just minutes to

25:23

shut down traffic over the bridge when

25:25

else in the nine one one call

25:27

officer side to get those construction workers

25:29

off the bridge. But for them, it

25:31

was too late. Within. Hours the

25:34

Sci and Ntsc were on the ground,

25:36

the Coast guard and recovery divers were

25:38

in the water, and the Governor and

25:41

Mayor were coordinating with members of Congress

25:43

and the Transportation Secretary. Plants. It's

25:46

extraordinary what they did. This

25:48

level and coordination of heroism

25:50

present prevented this disaster from

25:52

been even worse. This

25:54

is an extraordinary example of local

25:56

and state. Government working.

26:00

We recognize as how do we

26:02

honor this Because we both know

26:04

when the government gets it wrong.

26:06

We all talk about it. But

26:08

but every day, day in day

26:10

out, it's these government workers. It's

26:12

the infrastructure is the regulation around

26:15

us that protect us. They keep

26:17

us functioning and safe. Study.

26:21

Tell in the the first story really that

26:24

I've heard about this. I think it's important

26:26

for us to notes every then the dim

26:28

go right in from the response an absolute

26:30

catastrophe or but look at how bad it

26:33

could have been until you having driven across

26:35

a bridge dozens of times are going between

26:37

New York and Virginia Maryland A that is

26:39

a Braves It is heavily trafficked, it was

26:41

in the middle of nights with still that

26:44

there's just enormous method travel go into. So

26:46

what they pulled off in terms that a

26:48

response, how quickly the respondents, how quickly they

26:50

core dated. The Rescue efforts. It's remarkable

26:52

that the real The Do that really

26:54

shows everything that's happened, particularly over the

26:57

last twenty years and terms of local

26:59

seen several coronation from everything to emergency

27:01

response to law enforcement so you know

27:03

how soft all the responders or that

27:05

were there and they they likely prevented

27:07

a lot more lives from been lost

27:09

or just in the last forty eight

27:11

hours. Extraordinary heroes and we're grateful for

27:13

them since I see so much for

27:15

joining us tonight and we. Come Back.

27:17

The Aaronson claims it is ready to

27:19

move. Some twenty

27:21

twenty or less a loss and assault

27:24

rifles are getting an insert. Milan. As. Our

27:26

continuous. It

27:37

it's gonna be the position of the Rnc

27:39

in Twenty Twenty Four To the Twenty Twenty

27:41

election was not fairly decided that it was

27:44

stolen somehow. Slicing were passed that I think

27:46

that's in the past. We learned a lot. certainly

27:48

with has a lot of notes. I

27:53

don't know it was in those

27:55

know slurred trump. They're saying that

27:57

the Twenty Twenty lesson is in

27:59

the past Perhaps he says how

28:01

her father in law that despite

28:03

the Are M see shares shift

28:05

in message A Stone, some cannot

28:07

resist talking about his Twenty Twenty

28:09

election laws this week even claimed.

28:12

Without. Any basis in fact

28:14

or reality. That. The Twenty Twenty

28:16

Four election is going to be rigged

28:18

to, but only if he loses. Of

28:20

course for more I would like to bring

28:22

in. My old friend Access Political

28:24

Reporter Hands and It'll and Amanda

28:26

Carpenter writer and editor for Project

28:28

Democracy. She is also a former

28:30

senior sapper to Republican Senators him

28:32

to Men and Ted Cruz has

28:34

as anybody really going to buy

28:37

this, especially when trying to spread

28:39

lies about the election every chance

28:41

he can get. Oh

28:43

Trump's voice, Give me to be just

28:46

in the room or another universe Big

28:48

Big Trump's not and drown out everyone

28:50

on this what Matters plan sort of

28:52

learned from isn't necessarily what she sang

28:54

with Madison the mechanics of would be

28:57

aren't you doing. In. A B

28:59

R M C is doing which is kind of

29:01

hinting a rabbit interview the Garrett had she's clearly

29:03

Hindus. they're going to go big on early voting.

29:06

And. That's really the true test. You

29:08

don't look at what a politician does

29:10

not miss. Say what they say. Trump

29:12

may be saying that stolen in the

29:14

news rate, but affairs weenie into this

29:17

idea of banking early votes. interesting mail

29:19

by the which is something that didn't

29:21

happen in Twenty Twenty as a strong

29:23

indication that the mechanics of this and

29:25

decide tactical basis the Rnc is proceeding

29:28

is the last election wasn't stolen, that

29:30

wasn't rigs and they're going to try

29:32

to win by the rules that are

29:34

out there. Amanda. This

29:37

is A Chest is being called.

29:39

A dramatic shift in message saying

29:41

that I want to share more.

29:43

Or the interview that see with Garrett whole

29:46

tend to be clear. What? I'm

29:48

about to share. none of what

29:50

says saying. Is true. What?

29:54

We. Had to learn a couple of hard lessons

29:56

and twenty twenties. Believe me we are taking those,

29:58

we are applying them. All across this

30:01

country and every single state. and we want

30:03

to ensure that indeed, every single legal vote

30:05

is counted. For.

30:07

Fact Say it. Every

30:09

single legal vote was counted

30:11

in twenty. Twenty. There was no

30:14

widespread voter fraud. Amanda what issue talking

30:16

about and who she trying to reach

30:18

with this. Wasn't

30:20

see trying to play both ways. Frankly,

30:22

this is very hard. Interviewed watches like

30:24

she's. She's playing

30:26

a big joke. On us because

30:29

we know the very things that Donald

30:31

Trump is saying. Listen, she is. Technically

30:33

yes, the Twenty Twenty election was in

30:35

the past. That is a true fact

30:37

for Donald Trump. Keep see stolen election

30:39

narrative alive at every rally. Talks about

30:42

a pardon in January. Six riders. He's

30:44

the one they keep clings to. That

30:46

in the still intellects narrative is the

30:48

basis for his retribution agenda, they he

30:50

promises and his second term. But for

30:52

the fences are and see like yes,

30:54

every plate. Halfway decent. a lesson.

30:57

Official wants republican soon go back to

30:59

early voting like she's going to try

31:01

to do that while at the same

31:03

time. They're. Very clearly screening to

31:05

make sure that Alexey desires are going

31:07

to the Rnc. There was a store

31:09

in the washing post this morning talking

31:11

about how there is a loyalty or

31:13

a litmus test for that. There are

31:15

a new employees are ask do you

31:17

believe the election is stolen on The

31:19

reason she has that job is because

31:21

random of the animal was ousted from

31:23

the Rnc because she didn't cling to

31:25

the interaction. Election integrity issues Hard enough

31:27

Said She was replace is a person

31:29

that War Trump brought into the are

31:32

and seats with a conspiracy theory as

31:34

hype. Women for seen a bar that

31:36

us all kinds of terrible things in

31:38

Arizona to prevent. the cyber ninjas and

31:40

all The rosette cause a lot of

31:42

damage On to election officials in that

31:44

seat and so she can sit there

31:46

and tell Garrett hate psyched, overheated everything

31:48

and up a knob. we're going be

31:50

thoroughly votes at the same time. Her

31:52

arm see is doing everything it can

31:54

to keep the big election like going

31:56

and so I just think it's very

31:58

hard to take anything. That. She

32:00

says with a straight face. So single

32:02

messaging when she saw in the garage

32:04

A for they are certainly not changing

32:06

their their what they're doing behind the

32:09

scenes and on the ground hogs the

32:11

by the administration is changing some of

32:13

their messaging but not their work messenger

32:15

around the economy we haven't heard by

32:17

now makes during this eight state toward

32:19

that the president just stayed over the

32:21

last eighteen days. What's your take on

32:23

that. You. Pretty

32:25

soon on Tuesday. So my colleague Our

32:27

Thompson I've noticed this to the President

32:29

gone totally radio silent on by non

32:32

mix. And then is on Tuesday

32:34

that he says against he said for the

32:36

first time in two months. In. In

32:38

North Carolina we had a tweet or read

32:41

a little bit but the story homes and

32:43

it even sure when you look to congressional

32:45

democrats. There. Is a big pick up

32:47

on using by non exurbs. The summer

32:49

when the President finally embraced it in.

32:51

the basic idea is stephanie fear for

32:53

your viewers it's a do for by

32:55

now Mix with Barack Obama did for

32:57

Obama care and that is to take

32:59

a liability, take a something is toxic

33:01

and turn into political asset. And.

33:04

The White House really pressed on this over

33:06

the summer and then slowly they got some

33:08

pushback from democrats who didn't things a great

33:10

idea and it starts tapering off and went

33:12

silent. The. Bigger drop off yes

33:15

is a drop off from with the President

33:17

is a his in his verbiage in remember.

33:20

President's. Speeches: A lot of effort and

33:22

time go into them. Yes, President Biden

33:24

speaks up a cop on occasion, but

33:26

what the President says matter? And

33:28

I and the big you think about is

33:30

quite critically and the congressional side. When you

33:33

just look at all the press release forms,

33:35

their studies, this all their social media posting

33:37

it is dropped off a quest. And

33:39

that's how the something that is That yes,

33:42

the economy's improves consumer confidence is up. Consumer

33:44

sentiment is up a little bit higher with

33:46

the final reading at the end of the

33:48

monkey and I always like to do a

33:50

little Bloomberg figure. That's the one thing that

33:52

one data point that the White House really

33:54

looking at, but it's flatlined a little bit.

33:57

So yes, you have a healthy economy, but

33:59

consumers aren't. It's yelling at the way the

34:01

White House wants them to and I these appear

34:03

to be shifting gears a little bit. Of

34:05

for football inflation and then fell dead

34:07

hands. Amanda thank you both so much

34:10

hands I'm a lot You though I

34:12

know you like to have a late

34:14

night drink before bedtime. when we some

34:16

of them percent say sit on that

34:18

Sam Magnon free will learn were say

34:20

to tomorrow when he receives his sentence

34:22

for committing one of the largest white

34:25

collar crime. In. Us history and they

34:27

love is our continued. Here

34:39

that says sandbags. Winfried is about

34:41

to say son is a the

34:44

Silicon Valley Golden Voice will be

34:46

sentenced tomorrow. He of course was

34:48

convicted for fraud and conspiracy last

34:50

year esteem that led to the

34:53

collapse of Stx crypto currency. Exchange

34:55

prosecutors are asking. For between

34:57

forty and sixty years in prison For

35:00

lawyers say that six and a half

35:02

years that have been here Now the

35:04

expert on all things sandbags and feeds

35:06

the facts. Investigative reporter from Bloomberg Businessweek

35:09

in Bloomberg News Hero the must read

35:11

both number go up inside crypt those

35:13

while Rise and Sagarin fall or it

35:16

give it to us. I mean his

35:18

sentencing is hours away. This could go

35:20

anywhere between six and fifty years. That

35:22

is quite a range. Yeah, it's

35:24

totally up to him. He could even go

35:27

over them that he could give him a

35:29

hundred and fifty years. Like Bernie Madoff, he's

35:31

got complete discretion. And Sam's

35:33

Lawyers. They're. Arguing that. Because.

35:36

The bankrupt Stx

35:38

estate has. Said.

35:40

That they've recovered enough assets to

35:42

repay the victims of this fraud.

35:44

That Sam deserves a life sentence.

35:46

The government's saying. That's. Irrelevant.

35:49

Fraud. Is fraud and I mean I'm a

35:51

big of a long time. Donald. Trump argument

35:53

like stay There were no victim so

35:55

I should be okay. He still committed.

35:58

He was found guilty of committing. I'm

36:00

committing massive fraud. Rae.

36:03

I'm a. Basically the reason the money's

36:05

been recovered is that he made a

36:07

bunch of bets with other people's money. Some

36:09

of them have worked out pretty well.

36:11

It looks like. And. It

36:14

seems like they've I've made enough that they're

36:16

going to. Get. The money

36:18

to pay back the victims. The judge,

36:20

though already heard this argument during the

36:22

trial. And what he said was it

36:24

sounds like you're telling me. This.

36:27

Guy when I'm rob Fort Knox. He went

36:29

and played the lotto. And maybe he

36:31

had his numbers. He's going to get the money

36:33

back I don't carry. Still, rob Fort Knox. This

36:35

is irrelevant, so I don't know He's gonna like

36:38

that argument any better now. About the danger:

36:40

How did Sam conducts himself during the trial

36:42

and has that in a play. Even.

36:45

Before the trial he was annoying the

36:47

judge from the start he got he

36:49

was out on house arrest. Use that

36:51

as parents house is pretty cushy set

36:53

up. He got sent to prison for.

36:55

Using a Vpn to watch the Superbowl. or

36:58

at least that's what his lawyer said he

37:00

was using the Vpn for. And. For

37:02

leaking his ex girlfriends. Diaries

37:04

to New York Times they said

37:07

that was tampering with a key

37:09

witness than during the trial. He.

37:11

Chose to take the stand in his

37:13

own defense, which anyone can do, but

37:16

the judge can then hold that against

37:18

you. If he thinks that you've

37:20

been dishonest, And when he was

37:22

testify as on defense Sam, just when he's

37:24

asked about almost any facts relating to what

37:27

happened at Tx, he just kept saying i

37:29

don't recall, I don't recall. Even.

37:31

When he was presented with evidence of

37:33

statements he made in the past. While.

37:36

The prosecutors believe they're making the argument that

37:38

they think he will real sand and seen

37:41

him in a chance lot of a say

37:43

that. It's it's kind of us become

37:45

a funny argument. They're saying that. He.

37:48

Has such a twisted personal philosophy

37:50

that he convinced himself that. He.

37:53

Wanted to do good for the world and the way

37:55

to do it was to make a ton of money,

37:57

even through fraud. So they're saying a few. The Opportunity

37:59

presents. The Up again he'd do it again

38:01

and that if anyone needs a deterrent, it's

38:04

him. When. He thinks and happened you

38:06

have followed this. From. The beginning

38:08

he is he a early on he

38:10

was soften the journalists his ass thing

38:12

to anyone. Now his parents aren't speaking

38:14

to anyone. Having

38:17

see this playing a smile given how well you

38:19

know him. On I mean it's pretty

38:21

crazy or some was just thinking about when I

38:23

was sitting with him in the Bahamas. I'm going

38:25

to myself. And. My next to like

38:27

the next Mark Zuckerberg. Now I mean

38:29

I think he's going to be going

38:31

to prison for. Most. Of the rest

38:34

of his adult life. I mean. What were

38:36

his Stx Our right? I'm thinking about that

38:38

giant A stayed the building. The Pen Houses

38:40

in the Bahamas. Where is all that? Where?

38:42

Where's the team? Where her? Where are the

38:44

assets were the buildings? So. The

38:47

bankruptcy lawyers who Sam is very mad

38:49

and he's got this whole conspiracy theory

38:51

that they're the ones who are responsible

38:53

for it's failure. They've sees these assets

38:56

are in the process of selling them

38:58

off and the weird thing is among

39:00

the assets that they recovered worry. Ah,

39:03

A billion dollars worth of. Tokens.

39:05

Called Solano like one of these

39:07

weird crypto currencies. If you haven't

39:10

paid attention, the whole crypto market

39:12

has been booming. That's now ten

39:14

billion dollars worth of so wanna

39:16

tokens. Oh my God. it's all

39:18

surfaces and we're gonna lose access.

39:20

Success! And since. Found themselves in big

39:22

that holds, so I'm guessing you're going to

39:24

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39:27

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who simply just went to work yesterday's to

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work on potholes. Ah they had no idea

41:00

that that send them going to work with

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them as her zoo. a deadly occurrence of

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for you know when we're at assess week

41:06

with our families and and for a weapon

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for their families are they just reminded me

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of with a worse people they were They

41:13

were father's there were signs they were husbands

41:15

are there were people who their families relied

41:18

on. The.

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Last thing before we go tonight,

41:23

remembering the victims of the bridge

41:25

collapse in Baltimore, families are grieving

41:27

tonight as Maryland State Police announced

41:29

that the bodies of true of

41:31

the missing construction workers were recovered

41:33

from a submerged pickup truck this

41:35

morning. Thirty five year old, a

41:37

hundred scientists originally from Mexico and

41:39

twenty six. Year. Old Sorely and

41:41

Cabrera originally from Guatemala for

41:44

other workers remain. Missing and presumed

41:46

dead or own. Tommy on this has

41:48

more. Some

41:50

of the missing construction workers were

41:52

inside their cars at the time

41:54

of the collapse. You can actually

41:56

see their vehicles lights blinky on

41:58

the bridge just. Or impact is

42:00

gonna be very, very difficult I think. Find

42:04

Them! Saw a free. Pritzker is an

42:06

executive with that construction company. He says

42:08

the entire company is it morning and

42:10

still in shock. The Message: Get to

42:12

your employees that the ship was going

42:14

to crash into the bridge. Did you

42:17

know if if they realize that I

42:19

can I don't know how wasn't there.

42:21

I can only tell you they were

42:23

right in the middle spam and I

42:25

bridge right in the center the middle

42:27

spam so I doubt if they may

42:29

heard. Anything frankly your new than it

42:32

was gonna happen and then which

42:34

is usually same didn't It may

42:36

be caught completely by surprise they

42:38

may have been. She says one

42:40

member of their crew miraculously survived

42:42

and is still unable to speak

42:44

about what happened among those be

42:46

seen Mcgill Luna of father of

42:48

six from El Salvador there he

42:50

is at a gender reveal party

42:52

for his grandchild just this month

42:54

and main are you see or

42:56

suazo sandoval of this of most

42:58

to this his brother emotional scene

43:00

it's not easy seemed bridge now

43:02

knowing that monster of iron is

43:04

trapping my brother. According

43:08

to the Washington. Post those men were

43:10

members of an immigrant organisation called

43:13

Casa. Their executive director said this

43:15

and a time when there is

43:17

so much hatred against the immigrant

43:19

community, we look to the quiet

43:21

leadership of Maynor and Miguel. And.

43:24

Appreciate how they uphold our

43:26

society so that Americans. Can

43:28

live comfortably. We are

43:31

grateful for their contributions of these

43:33

hard hard working man. Our hearts

43:35

go out to their families tonight. And

43:39

on that note, I wish you all. A

43:42

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