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get the charges against them distressed.
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Well right on the laid off
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from the classified documents, goals and
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the Georgia election interference case then
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no labels. There is no more
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what it means for both campaigns
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ahead of November. Last the tenth
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call between President Biden and Prime
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Minister Netanyahu, the warning from the
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President about Us policy towards Israel
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has eleventh Hour gets underway on
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this Thursday. Night. Good
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evening. Once again, I'm Stephanie Ruhle.
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We are now two hundred and
1:11
fifteen days away from the election
1:13
and tonight there are double denials
1:15
for Donald Trump as he tries
1:17
to get his criminal case is
1:19
dismissed. Judges and the classified Documents
1:21
case and the Georgia Election Interference
1:23
case both said no way to
1:25
Trump's bid to end the prosecution's
1:28
judge alien can and did not
1:30
by Trump's argument that those classified
1:32
records were considered personal under the
1:34
Presidential Records Act. Cannons rolling came.
1:36
After Special Counsel Jack Smith
1:38
blasted are handling of the
1:40
case that spark, he also
1:42
objected to her request for
1:44
proposed jury instructions taking into
1:46
account Trump's claims about the
1:49
Presidential Records Act can and
1:51
fired back, calling Smith's response
1:53
to a request unprecedented and
1:55
unjust. Earlier today, former Federal
1:57
prosecutor Andrew Weissmann waiting on
1:59
her. We can pretty choice
2:01
words. She. Says this
2:03
is a complex case of first
2:05
impression. Only for her is that
2:08
a complex case and first impressive.
2:10
There is nothing complex and there's
2:12
nothing first impression about this other
2:14
than a former president but that
2:16
is not really posing any legal
2:18
or facts or barriers that makes
2:21
is so unusual. As
2:23
are tons other legal said that
2:26
said. Scott Mcafee denied a bid
2:28
by Tom and his co descendants
2:30
together Georgia Election Interference case tossed
2:32
out on First Amendment grounds. In
2:34
his ruling judge Mathis, he said
2:37
it quote free speech including political
2:39
speech is not without restriction. Meanwhile,
2:41
New York Attorney General's his shames.
2:44
Has a few questions about the California
2:46
company that that the hundred and seventy
2:48
five million dollar bond trump posted Any
2:51
civil fraud case Games now says the
2:53
company or Mr some lawyers must file
2:55
additional paper work with more information about
2:58
that bond was in the next ten
3:00
days when a lot to cover the
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let's get smarter was I would I
3:05
need all panel is a some a
3:07
lifesaver smaller down fast as here. Special
3:09
Correspondent for Vanity Fair and Msnbc contributor
3:12
Peter Baker you know him as Chief.
3:14
White House Correspondents' to the New
3:16
York Times. But what you don't
3:18
know is that he just won
3:20
the White House Correspondent Associations Twenty
3:22
Twenty Four Award for excellence in
3:25
Presidential news coverage under deadlines, pressure
3:27
And for me, Us Attorney Joyce
3:29
Nancy spent twenty five years as
3:31
a Federal prosecutor. Toys have a
3:33
little nicer you are going thirst
3:35
Judge Cannon heard some speed to
3:37
dismiss the case. Three. Weeks
3:39
ago she finally filed a ruling
3:41
to day after Jack Smith filing
3:44
insisted she do something or he
3:46
was gonna go to a higher
3:48
court. What's inside on them. Yes
3:52
to this ruling has some good,
3:55
some bad and some ugly. Stephanie,
3:57
it's good. And so far as
3:59
it goes, she reached the only
4:01
result she really could reach here,
4:03
denying Trump's motion to dismiss at
4:05
least for now. But them bad
4:07
is that it's not a final
4:09
ruling. and as we saw her
4:12
do previously with Trump's motion to
4:14
dismiss on vagueness browns, she leaves
4:16
the possibility open that she could
4:18
have a different ruling during trial.
4:20
And as we've been discussing that
4:22
dangerous for the prosecution this they
4:24
get a ruling from her now
4:26
before trial and they don't like
4:28
it. They can appeal. It. If
4:31
she doesn't rule until after the jury
4:33
has been sworn in and double jeopardy
4:35
has been attached, they can't take an
4:37
appeal. The case is essentially over if
4:40
she rules against some, or if a
4:42
jury acquitted. So the ugly part of
4:44
this is for Jack Smith to figure
4:46
out. what does he do next? Will
4:48
he file as some have suggested a
4:51
motion for Ma'am Damn us. Asking
4:53
the Eleventh Circuit to order her
4:56
to clarify the ruling, or might
4:58
he file a motion and eliminate
5:00
the sorts of pretrial motions prosecutors
5:02
file asking for a ruling on
5:04
the jury instructions before trial. I
5:06
think that both of those are
5:08
problematic. He might not be able
5:10
to win because of the way
5:13
she's posture. This case. His best
5:15
shot might be a straight up
5:17
motion asking her to recuse at
5:19
this point on the basis of
5:21
multiple bowed rulings, but at least.
5:23
I'm so far as this goes, this
5:25
is the start of good news and
5:28
perhaps some suggestions that Judge Man and
5:30
one her feet are held that the
5:32
fire which is what Jeff Smith did
5:35
with his response sir her request for
5:37
jury instructions that she at least understands
5:39
what she's being told. She
5:42
doesn't react when her fetus are held to
5:44
the fire cause she doesn't want him. She
5:46
doesn't want us to go to the higher
5:48
court. However, she also responded. By.
5:50
Snacks and him down. What? Could
5:53
that mean for a potential trial that Jack
5:55
Smith may have made an enemy of A
5:57
mean? Can. Oh.
6:00
So I don't think it's a
6:02
surprise to anyone that judge can
6:04
and isn't on the government's side
6:07
in this case simply because her
6:09
ruling and been so out of
6:11
the ordinary, so inconsistent with accepted
6:13
legal doctrine. I mean, lawyers have
6:15
disagreements with judges all the time.
6:18
No one likes to to lose
6:20
emotion. That's not what this is.
6:22
Her rulings have been contrary to
6:24
well established law, and it's no
6:26
exception here because the fact of
6:29
the matter is. She saying,
6:31
well, maybe Trump that offers them
6:33
sap that trial that would reinvigorate
6:35
this Presidential Records Act defense and
6:37
not simply not the case. The
6:39
Presidential Records Act isn't some sort
6:41
of magic wand that excuses criminal
6:43
possession of classified documents by a
6:45
former presidents. The fact that show
6:47
even entertained up speculation suggests that
6:49
this is a case where Jack
6:51
Smith will have to find a
6:53
way to get this in front
6:56
of the Eleventh Circuit in hopes
6:58
of having her removed before the
7:00
trial. Post was. Peter. What
7:02
do you think about what Andrew Weissmann said
7:04
the judge can and pointed out how complex
7:06
this case is and he said no way
7:08
It is cut and dry when you think.
7:12
Will. Get back a lot of lawyers.
7:14
They do return Lot of the four
7:16
cases that have been lodged against President
7:18
Trump's this one seems the most open
7:21
a service. According to legal experts, you're
7:23
not entitled to classified documents reviewed. He
7:25
tried to prevent the government them during
7:27
the back when they ask for them.
7:29
He defies subpoena. Awkward evidence submitted by
7:31
the prosecution wifi conspired with other members
7:33
of is T were savage from our
7:35
lot of river the government from finding
7:37
these documents from a breeder. Bring them
7:40
back. He wasn't the case that our
7:42
he brought. Some of the Xbox the didn't
7:44
realize he he had, he acted. We made
7:46
an effort to for the others with this
7:48
been submitted to try to prevent the government
7:50
from Harrys this is not know, I mean
7:53
people didn't hold for a whole lot less
7:55
in the handling of classified documents we've seen
7:57
their time and time again. This petition that
7:59
January said the question about the such medication
8:01
the York were about to see starts They
8:03
argue with raise an interesting beagle courses we
8:06
haven't seen before. But as as I think
8:08
I think Weisman is correct to say that
8:10
was really novel about this is that as
8:12
a president for pressing I stays Not The
8:14
issue of the are hailing classified documents. I.
8:17
Would let our audience to know that
8:19
Lolly is such a superb nerd is
8:21
that one other guess are answering questions
8:23
season eve were it says know as
8:26
to prepares to answer ours to get
8:28
ready for a good wine Molly these
8:30
issues as it as a solicitor you
8:33
are on the punished writing. All these
8:35
two judges today rejected Trump efforts. To.
8:37
Dismiss these cases a kid or just
8:39
said s is that the album brag
8:41
case someone up in eleven days are
8:44
his efforts to delay, delay, delay or
8:46
the becoming less effective? Well the road
8:48
calling to and Sigma This is the
8:50
big question. And it's funny because the
8:52
New York Times said this page story
8:54
about how Trump had spent a hundred
8:56
million dollars on legal fees or. Someone.
8:59
Spent a hundred and don't act on
9:02
behalf of the bright, but that's a
9:04
staggering sum of money. Sir and aides
9:06
have worked in a lot of ways.
9:08
I think is is only facing one
9:10
trial at this moment, which is kind
9:12
of incredible considering that he has ninety
9:15
one counts he say sense and med
9:17
the he's managed to punish these three
9:19
other trials. So I would say what
9:21
you see with these lawyers as they
9:23
are throwing everything they against the wall
9:26
write anything they can mean you know
9:28
there's some. The first. Amendment protects him.
9:30
Some, you know, maligning the judges
9:32
daughter mean just any ridiculous excuses.
9:34
And so I think he's gotten
9:36
to be able to really delay.
9:39
Is that accountability? The way that
9:41
I set of and and honestly
9:43
bad is really in itself. a
9:45
sign that the guard rails have
9:47
not hounds. Or a choice new
9:49
top it. Does. That more
9:52
ominous other Mcdonalds on Social
9:54
media company now publicly trading
9:56
to Social. Until today. He
9:58
was relatively quiet. The wasn't talking
10:00
about it much but then he went
10:02
on a big rant on his platform
10:05
today talking up the Sox sing all
10:07
this positive things about the company. Isn't.
10:09
That dangerous because if
10:11
he is saying anything
10:13
that is materially incorrect,
10:16
Warming. Attract a lot of attention
10:18
from federal regulators the Fcc that
10:20
can bring shareholder lawsuit says way.
10:26
So. You know he started this
10:28
morning on before the opening ball,
10:31
right Tottenham this saw of in
10:33
ways that are possibly misleading and
10:35
I say possibly advisedly because this
10:37
is the sort of the situation
10:39
that certainly for folks at the
10:42
As they see may be for
10:44
prosecutors, possibly for shareholders. This is
10:46
the sort of setting where you
10:48
start to wonder if what's going
10:50
on is completely kosher and so
10:53
it requires some investigation to look
10:55
into precisely what he. Sang and
10:57
precisely what the position of of
10:59
the stock is. and to contemplate
11:01
whether there's some fraudulent effort here
11:04
of pump up value or to
11:06
encourage investors to take steps on
11:08
the basis of fraudulent intervention. And
11:10
that can lead on. Although it's
11:12
not south process by any means
11:15
to some sort of investigation, there's
11:17
even the possibility of parallel proceedings
11:19
were the Justice Department and the
11:21
Fcc are working in tandem on
11:23
these cases. To look, I think
11:26
it's far. Too early to say
11:28
with any definitive sort of on
11:30
conclusion that that's what's going on
11:32
here. it's certainly will raise some
11:34
interest. But of course and noteworthy
11:37
while Donald Trump and sixty percent
11:39
of the company. Oddly.
11:41
He is not a direct, he is now on
11:43
a board. He is not a director and not
11:46
might end up protecting him or his you say?
11:48
I'm just a guy who owns a whole lot
11:50
of shares. I can be held accountable like an
11:52
actual. Ceo or an officer of the
11:54
company. That might be by design. Only
11:56
time will tell Peter I want to
11:59
talk about soon. Hoarding from your colleagues
12:01
at the Times reporting on Trump businesses
12:03
and how they have become less about
12:05
the hotels and more about the golf
12:07
resorts and how the Saudis. Are
12:09
play a huge role in this. Of
12:12
course down some is a presidential candidate.
12:14
How is it that more
12:16
people are not raising alarms
12:18
about huge conflicts of interest?
12:22
Well. As Americans horses you hear that
12:25
Republicans talk a lot about the foreign
12:27
business entanglements of the incumbent president. Some
12:29
rather he was paid money by businesses
12:31
in Ukraine, China and therefore year ago
12:34
schools must be bribed by form interest
12:36
nor his was the current president. Ah
12:38
they have no evidence that present by
12:40
neither As Preserve Vipers ever took any
12:43
actions as a result of his sons
12:45
business efforts even if his sons it
12:47
was profiting off of the by name
12:49
of you hear a lot of talk
12:52
about holidays about. How concerning this is
12:54
you don't hear law talks about his
12:56
videos that Trump himself continues to do
12:58
business overseas. He and his family have
13:00
long had assets and projects and other
13:02
interests are in foreign countries into. That
13:04
was a big issue while he was
13:06
present. the you know to continue to
13:08
get ah you know some Caspian from
13:10
Sport interest of the same time here
13:12
for setting foreign policy know country are
13:14
very few countries are more in the
13:16
thick of our foreign policy right now
13:19
the Saudi Arabia which is looking the
13:21
United States in terms of ah his
13:23
position the Middle East these of the
13:25
Israel in terms of the as the
13:27
Middle East these are the around as
13:29
a great deal of interest in the
13:31
Trump administration was protected it's consequences after
13:33
the killing his I'm all for show
13:35
you the Washington Post journalist who was
13:37
dismembered by saw the ages of our
13:39
reportedly said recorded it Cia by the
13:41
Saudi crown prince. So yes of course
13:43
there's obvious set of questions that will
13:45
be raised here. They know who's who's
13:47
running for president, know what the polls
13:49
are they paying attention and reacts to
13:52
was happening here. They have a great
13:54
interest in who sitting in the White
13:56
House next year. So. I see
13:58
less other that sounds other money issues. Hundred
14:00
and seventy five million dollar bond
14:02
in the civil fraud case. Explain
14:04
to us what New York Aj
14:06
systems may be looking for In
14:08
asking for more information, you know
14:10
if it's not just a regular
14:13
old bank or lender that backing
14:15
him? This guy and I lay
14:17
in the business that he's always
14:19
been an I mean subprime auto
14:21
landing. This is like go in.
14:23
This is a former resident and
14:25
the United sates going to a
14:27
payday lender. Basically like the riskiest
14:29
Lowland Blender. Is.
14:33
An awfully odd place for someone
14:35
like Donald Trump to go on
14:38
to post a bond. So Tisch
14:40
James is concerned that this fall
14:42
and does not secure the full
14:44
amount of the judgment that she's
14:47
entitled to. And you'll recall that
14:49
melts after the court of Appeals
14:51
in New York actually reduce the
14:53
bond from four hundred and sixty
14:55
million plus dollars. Two hundred and
14:58
seventy five million. Now she seems
15:00
to have concerns that there is
15:02
not sufficient house. In the and
15:04
to the that offered the security
15:07
the six the surety bond to
15:09
fulfill that obligation if trump default
15:11
so the judge will com I
15:14
think permit her to engage in
15:16
a hearing where they will push.
15:19
On. The integrity of this offering
15:21
because it's in fact this is
15:23
not suspicion surety to secure Trump's
15:26
that in the event he loses
15:28
on appeal, then there will have
15:30
to be some sort of a
15:33
substitute or additional bolland placed in
15:35
order to avoid Tis James immediately
15:37
going about the business of collecting
15:40
on the judgment by filling after
15:42
Trump's properties. Molly. The
15:44
L A Times is reporting that
15:46
some members of the house January
15:48
Six committee are talking about preparing.
15:51
For. Retribution that they might say
15:53
is from Trump. Is he's
15:55
reelected? What's your reaction to that? I
15:57
mean, and baron right to be. Good
16:00
item policy what he's gonna do and
16:02
we've hard Cash Patel in case we're
16:04
not worried, we've heard Cash Patel say
16:07
he's gonna lock up members of the
16:09
media. I mean this is this sort
16:11
of Hunger Hungary auto crash kind of
16:13
thing said Trump World that sort of
16:15
has been shopping as a possible. You
16:17
know the revenge tore his set, You
16:19
know he gets back and office and
16:22
and I think the right to worry
16:24
about that. I mean that is a
16:26
real concern but it does. It really
16:28
does bring back into stark relief. That
16:30
this is not a normal election. This.
16:33
Is not a normal presidential candidates? This
16:35
is we haven't. You know, we live
16:37
in a democracy we have never faced.
16:39
You know what? A president who was
16:41
once president running again saying that he
16:44
plans to lock up. His. Do
16:46
you know his political enemies and in
16:48
this is really wild south? It. As
16:50
the most important point to make
16:52
every day, this is not a
16:54
normal election. These are not two
16:56
candidates running against one another. About.
16:59
One of the mill policies. Our
17:01
democracy is on the line. Molly
17:03
thank you so much one day
17:05
as. Big as get to see her
17:08
secret notes Joy Peter, Peter Congratulations again
17:10
We're actually going to check back in
17:12
with you later, but when we come
17:14
back next. failure. Saw Snow Labels swaps
17:16
his third party this for president. Wonder
17:19
what they did? A lotta money they
17:21
re were going against what went wrong
17:23
and later. Protect. Civilians
17:25
or l. Side. And
17:27
support for Netanyahu after the death of
17:30
said in aid workers and Zaza eleventh
17:32
hour just getting underway on a Thursday
17:34
night. So.
17:41
If we were three, three to take ago. But. We.
17:44
Don't invade was did your taste buds
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ready for Mcdonalds breakfast? Bacon sandwiches. The
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whole just three daughters will be on
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Labeled as L Sicily no More
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and a statement said i see
18:17
Oh Nancy Jacobson announced that the
18:20
group would end it's efforts to
18:22
launch a third party. Take it
18:24
as are no candidates emerged. That
18:26
leaves only one third party candidate
18:28
last Rfk Jr. and his campaign
18:31
has some Democrats quotes freaked out
18:33
and ready to mobilize. Sack.
18:35
With Us Tonight time for Palmer, a
18:37
former white Us Communications Director for President
18:39
Obama and Tim Miller host as a
18:42
bulwark. podcasts and a former Communications Director
18:44
for Jeb Bush Server The threat of
18:46
a no Labels ticket is dawn. They
18:48
couldn't find a candidate. What's your take?
18:52
Yeah I'm I'm a democrat who freaks
18:54
out about Arcade Jr and are ready
18:56
to mobilize company it for you know
18:58
if I think that's what have I
19:00
hope what a half an hour with
19:03
no labels Well with seated self here
19:05
although I think thought this is. A
19:08
Rpg just more complicated? Good. I
19:10
think Democrats agree. I guess anti
19:12
Trump forces are really aligned. And
19:14
the fact that all these. Candidates.
19:17
Who look at the possibilities? We're serious.
19:20
And who are serious serious leaders. That
19:22
was possibility possibly the only joining the
19:24
no labels said get and decided that
19:26
all could do with help Trump And
19:28
that and no one would do it
19:30
right. That's sort of an early indicator
19:32
of concern in the populace writ large
19:34
about about the possibility of Trump when
19:37
eat, and I think it reflects a
19:39
larger concern. Bad democrats can, sort of,
19:41
you know, not nazi someplace to develop
19:43
acting talent on will be there. It's
19:45
it's to fight. To by Trump and
19:47
now you gotta turn that sir are
19:49
a cage Jr who even if he
19:51
gets just a small portion of the
19:53
votes and he's a little more complicated
19:55
because I think is the am obscure
19:57
could be that he appears to be.
20:00
Independent. Restarting the sega lot
20:02
of questions arise about a Sunday that
20:04
be back a Trump supporter smother you
20:06
know they're such questions today about a
20:09
sort of pro pardon a chance six
20:11
comments update that they'd made of. He.
20:13
Seems to be. Someone.
20:16
Who is aligned with Trump? Not you know,
20:18
and not who he claims to be. Not
20:20
as independent as it comes to be I
20:22
think that will really hurt him, but this
20:24
notion of someone who sort of independent? Not
20:26
of either party. Is. A real
20:28
threat. Even if it's six to three
20:30
percentage points, that could be a margin
20:32
of victory. Came. Before we get
20:35
to Rfk, just what's your take on
20:37
what happened? You know, labels? I mean,
20:39
for months Nancy in her squad were
20:41
out there fund raising, fundraising. Full steam
20:43
ahead. You.
20:45
Are also from the stores that
20:47
me to do. Summertime and the
20:49
be no legal donors were most
20:51
mostly delusional about a the possibility
20:53
rebooted find a candidate about the
20:55
bus with is our candidates good
20:57
wins about won't be impact of
20:59
such a team that would be.
21:01
There are people out there users
21:03
who started with who who argue
21:05
that this was in the serious
21:07
effort that this was going sums
21:09
probe Stalking Horse and I Do
21:11
is worth saying I never felt
21:13
that way of a reclusive babies.
21:15
Have a decision that that was not
21:17
the case and does your with respect
21:19
to Billie Joe Lieberman. Ah I think
21:22
that would this really was was just
21:24
lot night. It's hey from people in
21:26
the group and and a lot of
21:28
rich people in the school who who
21:30
thought that there is a broader interest
21:32
in August center right center candidate than
21:34
there is. I think most people who
21:36
are in that vein are for Joe
21:38
Biden and like Dubai and you're buying
21:40
occupies the centers this race maybe a
21:42
little bit more or less than than
21:44
very simple want. Them to be on
21:46
on one issue or another, but broadly
21:49
speaking is acceptable. Don't have is unacceptable
21:51
and so it's hard to recruit somebody
21:53
in that environment and I think that's
21:55
why they They came up and. Centers.
21:58
Are you are missing some of the. That that
22:00
certainly make Rfk Junior sound and
22:02
be more right than he that
22:05
than people realize. right?
22:07
For the voters he to potentially
22:09
poll. Or they actually paying
22:11
attention to the ins and outs
22:13
of what he says. Or are
22:15
they drawn to this new phase?
22:17
Different, die young, the peace and
22:19
didn't come from Silicon Valley and
22:21
they don't actually know what they're
22:23
getting into. By. The he
22:26
could attract young voters that
22:28
that President Biden is banking
22:30
on. I think
22:32
right now there's polls that show him getting
22:34
about fourteen percent of the vote. Really sad
22:37
scene though. it's in the last couple of
22:39
months, I think you're right. That's what it
22:41
is, right? It's people are authored by the
22:43
or peter current current political stalemate. The sounds
22:45
like something new. They like the name of
22:47
a Kennedy's. Five
22:49
and they like he did his. His first add
22:51
that he did was very well done and it
22:53
with sort of like or if you're tired of
22:56
both sides hear something different. Here's an independent and
22:58
that could could sound like a relief but it's
23:00
only been a couple of months where. Where people
23:02
started to look at him. Seriously? And there's no
23:04
there's a couple of them First couple. Group
23:06
that have formed said said to take
23:08
him on and the Dnc yeah nose
23:10
is doing that as well as A
23:12
and already your started. A few people
23:14
will be educated approve this guy. Is
23:16
that what is really for an Ip
23:19
bout that will turn off a large
23:21
swath of voters? That's one chunk of
23:23
voters that he will lose. Then there's
23:25
the message that needs to happen about
23:27
you. Help him, your help in elect
23:29
Trump have been there was one way
23:31
to stop Donald Trump and that it's
23:33
to lecture by President. Period. Ended discussion
23:35
and you know that will also take
23:37
away a number of voters for him.
23:39
I think of the and and then
23:41
there's a question of who hangs on
23:43
because they a guy in a bit
23:45
by appealing for whatever reason had those
23:47
people might be turned off as they
23:49
learned. He's. Who his whose
23:51
funding him that he doesn't appear to be
23:53
as independent as the is. I think those
23:55
are for the three lanes that democrats
23:57
that are trying to stop and look. It's
24:00
not always says he is. There's a lot
24:02
of crazy stuff that he is for and
24:04
if you vote for him, you're gonna help
24:06
Trump. I still pretty good about our ability
24:09
to make those arguments, but still. You know
24:11
one two percentage points could be the difference?
24:13
It's really scary. Ten. What do
24:15
you think? Are
24:18
on the line of a lot of
24:20
would you know for serve a purpose
24:22
One Nigeria allowed to the so effing
24:24
to go first or wouldn't bank on
24:26
this probably It's very core of our
24:28
have to support. His. To me
24:30
it's frumpy raises an anti establishment anti
24:32
vaccine. it's kind of luck not betting
24:34
against type of voter I'm or another
24:37
and gave him as a both of
24:39
the democratic process broadly maybe doesn't hasn't
24:41
voted a lot of mid terms or
24:44
primaries that maps to trump voters. I
24:46
think of our okay with his down
24:48
to three percent and it's a big
24:51
question that who yeah see her, teammate
24:53
her problems if he's really at that
24:55
low the numbers. Once you get beyond
24:58
that then we into the category. As
25:00
the Jennifer I was talking about, I
25:02
think that's the big concern for Joe
25:04
Biden is is this or of take
25:06
it's up to eight, nine ten eleven
25:08
for scientists. A lot of those voters
25:11
are gonna be basically part of the
25:13
democratic coalition. Traditionally it's a black voters
25:15
younger voters, your people that aren't have
25:17
your job I did maybe about gaza
25:19
me to vote inflation and are looking
25:21
is I have kids and off ramps.
25:24
Those people to buy campaign really needs
25:26
to communicate to and educated about the
25:28
far right views of Rfk. Today going
25:30
around with our of case I
25:32
guess support for her at least
25:34
openness to thought pardoning with January
25:37
Six rioters for example, are you
25:39
know educating those voters about our
25:41
about of the democratic traditional democrat
25:43
base voters about our of case
25:45
radicalism I think is gonna be
25:47
the key for for Joe Biden.
25:50
Pardoning. Design is a sex.
25:53
Insurrectionist as a lane I will
25:56
never and an was onerous on
25:58
right on. That's great. The idea. Thank
26:02
you for Maggie Grace! And that
26:04
it's just as well as thank you
26:06
both survey here. I appreciate it t
26:08
it leaves. Me: speechless. When
26:10
we come back President Biden serious
26:12
warning for Israel for him to
26:14
break down his has fall with
26:16
Prime Minister Netanyahu and illinois hour
26:18
of them. Have
26:32
to the Israeli air strike that killed seven
26:35
worked at aid workers and Dasa and B
26:37
C News Day Gutierrez has the details. Can
26:40
I President biden his morning Israel.
26:43
Action to Protect Civilians and it's
26:46
ward and some asked us policy
26:48
towards a staunch ally will chase
26:50
the direct message coming during a
26:52
phone call between the president and
26:54
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The.
26:56
President emphasize that the strikes
26:59
on humanitarian workers and the
27:01
overall humanitarian situation. Or.
27:03
Unacceptable. The Thirty Minute Call was the
27:05
first between the two readers in New
27:07
Be Three Weeks and marks the much
27:09
tougher tone towards Israel. The. White
27:11
House says the President made clear
27:13
the me for his real to
27:16
announce it implement a series of
27:18
specific concrete and miserable steps to
27:20
address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and
27:22
the safety of aid workers. The
27:24
White House has repeatedly said Israel
27:26
faces a genocidal threat from the
27:28
Moss just this week saying there
27:30
will be no change in Paul's
27:32
It but to Us officials tell
27:34
Nbc News the President today strongly
27:36
implies made condition American military aid
27:38
to Israel On whether Netanyahu mix
27:40
immediate changes. Over humanitarian concerns in
27:43
Gaza including getting to a cease
27:45
the White House and changes most
27:47
happen in days or even our.
27:51
Prime minister didn't really notice it
27:53
was as it it was evident
27:55
in a phone call. Today was
27:57
a good discussion. Thread. In
28:00
a very good discussion, cities call
28:02
was arranged in direct response to the
28:04
Israeli strike that killed seven. World Central
28:07
to to workers including thirty three
28:09
year old Sake of Flick injured a
28:11
do American Canadian citizen. And
28:13
B C's ruff senses spoke with his
28:15
parents. We're to. People.
28:18
Who have suffered trust. Is.
28:25
Lost her only so. But we're
28:27
only to. There are
28:29
thousands and thousands error. Israel says
28:32
the strike was a grave mistake
28:34
and was not intentional. Hit
28:38
a last: Him pseudo finances, national
28:40
security analyst and anchor. He is
28:42
the author of the new book,
28:45
The Return of Great Powers, Russia,
28:47
China and the Next World War.
28:49
It is out now and Peter
28:51
Baker is backlist state or Divine.
28:53
Administration is trying to walk a
28:56
really difficult than line between supporting
28:58
Israel's fight against the last and
29:00
and strongly encouraging them to protect
29:02
civilians. How. Hard is that. Well,
29:05
very hard as he hasn't been
29:08
very successful up until now. so
29:10
he's pushing further. The President along
29:12
that line you're talking about, he's
29:14
going further than has before his
29:16
same you can leverage American supports
29:18
maybe arms by specifically American support
29:21
for shoes. Really response to his
29:23
concerns over humanitarian issues and civilian
29:25
casualties and got he saw the
29:27
beginning of response to nine Israel
29:29
said is going to open up
29:31
a crossing into North Gaza in
29:33
close have been so loud. Open
29:36
a ports for more humanitarian goods. The
29:38
administration tells us that they expect more
29:40
our commitments by that Yahoos government. in
29:42
the two hours and days the com
29:44
that would match the demands made by
29:46
the present, we'll see how far there
29:48
will be gone. Weather's enough to satisfy
29:51
the President's or for now anyway. he's
29:53
willing to take a stronger positions that
29:55
he did or to take my other
29:57
democrats now for quite some time without
29:59
completely the cutting off. Well, you know,
30:01
support from Israel estimate it really doesn't
30:03
want to do. He wants Netanyahu would
30:06
respond to this ah, you know, push
30:08
on his parts in order to keep
30:10
the support. Sights. On
30:12
what what respond mean sands of Over
30:14
the last two hours Israel has agreed
30:16
to increase humanitarian aid delivery as as
30:19
going to be enough to repair the
30:21
damage and their relationships to see us
30:23
We're the had a Save the Children
30:25
on two nights of else. She describes
30:28
the current situation in Gaza as Hell
30:30
on Earth. As
30:33
it is, Gaza is facing the
30:35
prospect of imminent sam and says
30:38
that the to pieces that the
30:40
administration is demanding here one is
30:42
get more eighty and and you're
30:44
seeing that immediate response, opening the
30:47
air as crossing, opening the asked
30:49
god forwards, etc. But the other
30:51
piece right is take substantive changes
30:53
that protect civilians better and protect
30:56
aid workers better. But the fact
30:58
is the last twenty four hours
31:00
we've seen other civilians killed by
31:03
Israeli. Airstrikes. So those changes have
31:05
not taken place yet and are in
31:07
Israel has not yet articulated what those
31:09
changes, what those new standards are going
31:12
to be, and we're still awaiting the
31:14
result of Israel's investigation of just how
31:16
this deadly strike on World's Central Kitchen
31:18
took place. So that's the second piece
31:21
the administration is demanding. We haven't seen
31:23
Israel's answer yes, Semi.
31:25
Normal of for specifically sort
31:27
of the me uncertain. Global
31:29
world at war and what the next world
31:32
war could be? Now as the
31:34
tensions between Us and Israel. Grows.
31:37
So. Does the threat of a wider
31:39
war with Israel bombing of an
31:41
Iranian embassy complex for three assists
31:43
like more and more complicated. I
31:45
know you think a lot about
31:47
the ongoing conflict analysis on sudden.
31:51
No. Question In you see when you think
31:53
of the Great powers Russia and China,
31:55
their relationship with you as you you
31:57
see Russia and China to some degree
31:59
watching. America's troubles in the
32:01
Middle East tear drawn into a
32:03
conflict, there is drawn into a
32:06
dispute. A very public dispute now
32:08
with one of it's closest allies
32:10
as serving Russia's interests in the
32:12
region to occupy the Us, distracted
32:15
from the war in Ukraine, create
32:17
dissension in the ranks as it
32:19
were among the allies or and
32:21
also present the possibility of a
32:23
broader war their did. This is
32:26
straight out of the Russian playbook,
32:28
Stir the Pot. Throw
32:30
more fuel on the fire. So
32:32
all these events were seeing their
32:34
serve Russia's interests in this broader
32:36
great Power conflict. By the way,
32:38
Russia's not as watching it's contributing.
32:40
it's meeting with Hamas officials if
32:42
sending surface to air missiles to
32:44
Hezbollah. This. Suits Russia's interests
32:46
as well in a broader
32:49
great power conflicts. Their
32:51
present. Bible says signed off on
32:53
more arms for Israel. Congress is considering
32:55
a plan to censor their innocence s
32:57
this overseas plans What had been in
33:00
the works for months. Later.
33:02
These plans under thought the
33:04
nazis the president just delivered
33:06
to Netanyahu today. Well.
33:09
Those the timing right. First you get
33:11
the arms, then you get the top
33:13
pressure. So at the moment the pressure
33:15
on Israel is to some extent alleviated
33:17
because they don't have an immediate needs
33:19
from weapon since they've just gotten and
33:21
are seven. But having said that, there
33:23
is a risk on the part of
33:25
the Israelis of losing President Biden because
33:27
he is the one person Washington who
33:29
was the most important to them in
33:32
prosecuting this war. Because they've lost a
33:34
lot of democrats in Congress, they have
33:36
lost a lot of the American public
33:38
from the polls. Ah the last
33:40
people inside the by the administration is the
33:42
President who has been assistance. That is why
33:44
the right to defend itself is was a
33:46
right to grapple for Mosques he just wants
33:48
him to do and I'm more cautious and
33:50
careful. Way to.com or if against his and
33:53
he did this week with Wilkinson I will.
33:55
Subtleties and rookies. Cell. And
33:57
census unless will be total sense.
34:00
We come back at a sign
34:03
for our see no conversation. We
34:05
have said it many many times
34:07
on this show. The Twenty Twenty
34:09
Four election is on precedented and
34:11
our next death wants to make
34:13
sure the media. That lesson.
34:15
You do not want to miss this important
34:17
discussion and you have a valid. There
34:29
is so much noise surrounding the Twenty
34:31
Twenty Four Presidential race. And is only
34:33
going to get louder over the next
34:36
seven months. We all have to remember.
34:38
Words. Matter and how we talk
34:40
about these things matter. So in my
34:42
next guest an expert on American History
34:45
said the media is talk about Trump
34:47
vs. Biden. All wrong. I knew it
34:49
was a conversation we needed to have
34:51
on this program for tonight's keynote. I
34:53
am proud to welcome Saw The Lens
34:55
author and professor of American History. a
34:57
princess is also part of the group
34:59
as historians and scholars. Was met with
35:01
President Biden from time to time. Or
35:04
it was. Concern is for you everyday you.
35:06
What is the media getting wrong? How should
35:09
you be approaching? To choosing is
35:11
a normal action. I'm
35:13
not really The problem is normalizing
35:15
the process. normalize you would isn't
35:17
abnormal situation. That's really the problem
35:20
enough Live and let me just
35:22
say on say I'm saying this
35:24
is a story because interview you
35:26
put it in larger perspective see
35:28
just how abnormal was. What?
35:30
Is a normal Was. Normal. Election
35:33
involves the political party's nominee in a
35:35
can lose their respective countries to entire
35:37
process was a very good changed over
35:40
the sit over the decades but nevertheless
35:42
the they named their com and a
35:44
journalist and will debate the issues and
35:47
presents presents different ideas to american people
35:49
were where they stand them as a
35:51
certain amount of image and or the
35:54
rest of the nautilus. that's what it
35:56
is that's not happening. There's
35:59
just nothing. Okay. People might say okay,
36:01
that's happening but that's not that big of
36:03
a deal. You're far more alarms and that
36:05
us a story. How would you compare what
36:08
we're experiencing? Now to another point in his.
36:10
Was store will not do you. There is
36:12
nothing. Nothing. American
36:14
History. Dad and his
36:17
men who were close to a was
36:19
also helps us for the problem. that's
36:21
why it's so abnormal. Books are examples
36:24
of yes. Parties. Political
36:26
parties. You had a
36:28
democratic party, some republican party, To
36:30
help we can party doesn't exist anymore. As
36:33
renewal? Yes! The one could argue the
36:35
Republican party has more to represent what
36:38
Republican voters want, and that's Donald Trump's
36:40
i'm i disagree are good at sundown
36:42
argument or you're you're You're saying we
36:44
should be alarmed and stare responsible, Telling
36:46
me something scary? Yeah, Okay, because
36:49
Donald Trump. First.
36:51
It is not just moved in
36:54
turn a picture.their popularity speak change
36:56
from a conservative party to
36:58
a populist party and a populist
37:01
parties outside the norm. Some
37:03
American Sisters. We. Don't have the
37:05
we have some of the local level they come
37:07
and go but not at this level. Than
37:09
a populist candidates is someone who
37:12
says that the people were people
37:14
district of people with. Trump
37:16
Everything as it were. There. More important
37:19
because to from one point to the rule
37:21
of law and by the was who to
37:23
the people respond to there's always a maximum
37:25
wage. Is always the man who
37:27
says I am the only person who can
37:29
to suspend. How should we be covering this
37:32
election? If it's just Donald Trump's a problem,
37:34
what will you? Can't just say what? We
37:36
don't like this candidate for less cover? No
37:38
no, this is White House and we the
37:40
framing. Is an entire process is not
37:42
just for Kennedy's himself. Was what the Kennedys
37:44
has to offer was where the Kennedys talking
37:47
about the Kennedys not talking in a normal
37:49
way about the issues. Yeah, maybe have mentioned
37:51
the towers every once in a was that's
37:53
not what's going on here. What's going on
37:56
here is that is promising resistance. What he's
37:58
talking about Simply what he's talking. These are
38:00
you going to be a dictator on day one
38:02
or is going to up you guys or anything
38:04
like a belief? I'm. People. They do
38:06
cover that every that line to do anything. Else
38:09
or half because you have ugly. That's
38:11
why Cover The primary says no point
38:13
going on to something going on. It's
38:15
all silliness. It's all the trappings. The
38:17
trappings. normalize. Trump Trump become something other
38:19
than what he is because he looks
38:22
like a normal. Sentiments He is not
38:24
a normal. Can this so badly approach
38:26
this. Takes a to project Twenty Five
38:28
and it's and any many people don't
38:30
even know what it is right? It
38:32
is bounded by the American Heritage Group
38:34
you know as as a right wing
38:36
groups that filled with Trump allies that's
38:38
not officially connected to the campaign. However,
38:41
They. Have laid out. In. Nine
38:43
hundred. Page. Plans Got
38:45
it! For what Trump said. do
38:47
Day one in office and one
38:49
of the central tenants is to
38:51
remove the guard rails that actually
38:53
check Trump from going off the
38:55
rails and getting a lot of
38:57
really scary things done last time
38:59
around. You got it. Does the probably
39:02
say plan to got deserves the executive
39:04
branch the going to got. The
39:06
civil service are going to got everything. And.
39:08
Of points people who are basically two
39:10
swords reasons to Trump not to the
39:12
reformist not of the country Us because
39:14
difference to Trump. At
39:17
every level. The. Federal Reserve
39:19
and with son was are pretty important institution
39:21
has are gonna go to. The.
39:23
Going to put in his Pc you. Think people realize
39:25
that, know. But I think that that's
39:27
what us recovered as does a lot of things.
39:29
that is not so much how they cover things
39:32
that this is what's not cover. A
39:34
mess up and meant no response. It's
39:36
crazy oh any sort. These a profound
39:38
profound differences because are not just taking
39:41
away the guard rails is promoting a
39:43
system of government a form of government
39:45
that my cause of democratic that is
39:47
essentially to a liberal anti democratic. Such
39:50
a problem. What do we do
39:52
with all of the people who
39:54
are exhausted? From. Being outraged
39:56
I'm guessing you would say you
39:58
can't exhausted. There's two. Everyday
40:00
I would say that I wish that am
40:02
I would have trusted to particular people who
40:04
may not be soldiers. were younger younger voters
40:07
small younger voters thanks well as a tool
40:09
Men running on a really care what them
40:11
summits they don't understand democracy being it's say
40:13
Donald Trump is gonna be able to a
40:16
point Hundreds of several judges. So.
40:18
Out the system. Thera won't affect those young
40:20
people's lives long after I'm dead. Long.
40:22
After all of us are Dead was going to
40:25
affect their was profoundly. A Meat
40:27
Dogs is just the beginning. You're.
40:29
Going over Supreme court's it's seasick.
40:31
It's rough now, right? Sixty three
40:33
separate issue is going to be
40:35
permanent. It's going to and you
40:38
have to address younger voters who may not
40:40
have Livermore Energy weren't around for the last
40:42
time. It but point this out to. The. Point.
40:44
Out the sexes this is that the steaks or that
40:47
important for them for the rest of it was. Then
40:50
I think you'd be doing your job.
40:52
A crucially important warning: Thank you so
40:54
much for being here. I were considered
40:56
thank you. When we come back
40:59
a rare solar eclipse is getting ready
41:01
to sleep. See last any my see
41:03
your last chance to see wants for
41:05
another twenty years Really get into put.
41:07
It. Down.
41:15
From three to talk about Mcdonalds.
41:18
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I wish you a very good night.
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