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Judges reject Donald Trump's motions to get criminal cases dismissed

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Judges reject Donald Trump's motions to get criminal cases dismissed

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Out into awards. Said

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I done on found homework done

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or said that's just push to

0:33

get the charges against them distressed.

0:35

Well right on the laid off

0:37

from the classified documents, goals and

0:39

the Georgia election interference case then

0:42

no labels. There is no more

0:44

what it means for both campaigns

0:46

ahead of November. Last the tenth

0:48

call between President Biden and Prime

0:50

Minister Netanyahu, the warning from the

0:52

President about Us policy towards Israel

0:55

has eleventh Hour gets underway on

0:57

this Thursday. Night. Good

1:06

evening. Once again, I'm Stephanie Ruhle.

1:09

We are now two hundred and

1:11

fifteen days away from the election

1:13

and tonight there are double denials

1:15

for Donald Trump as he tries

1:17

to get his criminal case is

1:19

dismissed. Judges and the classified Documents

1:21

case and the Georgia Election Interference

1:23

case both said no way to

1:25

Trump's bid to end the prosecution's

1:28

judge alien can and did not

1:30

by Trump's argument that those classified

1:32

records were considered personal under the

1:34

Presidential Records Act. Cannons rolling came.

1:36

After Special Counsel Jack Smith

1:38

blasted are handling of the

1:40

case that spark, he also

1:42

objected to her request for

1:44

proposed jury instructions taking into

1:46

account Trump's claims about the

1:49

Presidential Records Act can and

1:51

fired back, calling Smith's response

1:53

to a request unprecedented and

1:55

unjust. Earlier today, former Federal

1:57

prosecutor Andrew Weissmann waiting on

1:59

her. We can pretty choice

2:01

words. She. Says this

2:03

is a complex case of first

2:05

impression. Only for her is that

2:08

a complex case and first impressive.

2:10

There is nothing complex and there's

2:12

nothing first impression about this other

2:14

than a former president but that

2:16

is not really posing any legal

2:18

or facts or barriers that makes

2:21

is so unusual. As

2:23

are tons other legal said that

2:26

said. Scott Mcafee denied a bid

2:28

by Tom and his co descendants

2:30

together Georgia Election Interference case tossed

2:32

out on First Amendment grounds. In

2:34

his ruling judge Mathis, he said

2:37

it quote free speech including political

2:39

speech is not without restriction. Meanwhile,

2:41

New York Attorney General's his shames.

2:44

Has a few questions about the California

2:46

company that that the hundred and seventy

2:48

five million dollar bond trump posted Any

2:51

civil fraud case Games now says the

2:53

company or Mr some lawyers must file

2:55

additional paper work with more information about

2:58

that bond was in the next ten

3:00

days when a lot to cover the

3:02

let's get smarter was I would I

3:05

need all panel is a some a

3:07

lifesaver smaller down fast as here. Special

3:09

Correspondent for Vanity Fair and Msnbc contributor

3:12

Peter Baker you know him as Chief.

3:14

White House Correspondents' to the New

3:16

York Times. But what you don't

3:18

know is that he just won

3:20

the White House Correspondent Associations Twenty

3:22

Twenty Four Award for excellence in

3:25

Presidential news coverage under deadlines, pressure

3:27

And for me, Us Attorney Joyce

3:29

Nancy spent twenty five years as

3:31

a Federal prosecutor. Toys have a

3:33

little nicer you are going thirst

3:35

Judge Cannon heard some speed to

3:37

dismiss the case. Three. Weeks

3:39

ago she finally filed a ruling

3:41

to day after Jack Smith filing

3:44

insisted she do something or he

3:46

was gonna go to a higher

3:48

court. What's inside on them. Yes

3:52

to this ruling has some good,

3:55

some bad and some ugly. Stephanie,

3:57

it's good. And so far as

3:59

it goes, she reached the only

4:01

result she really could reach here,

4:03

denying Trump's motion to dismiss at

4:05

least for now. But them bad

4:07

is that it's not a final

4:09

ruling. and as we saw her

4:12

do previously with Trump's motion to

4:14

dismiss on vagueness browns, she leaves

4:16

the possibility open that she could

4:18

have a different ruling during trial.

4:20

And as we've been discussing that

4:22

dangerous for the prosecution this they

4:24

get a ruling from her now

4:26

before trial and they don't like

4:28

it. They can appeal. It. If

4:31

she doesn't rule until after the jury

4:33

has been sworn in and double jeopardy

4:35

has been attached, they can't take an

4:37

appeal. The case is essentially over if

4:40

she rules against some, or if a

4:42

jury acquitted. So the ugly part of

4:44

this is for Jack Smith to figure

4:46

out. what does he do next? Will

4:48

he file as some have suggested a

4:51

motion for Ma'am Damn us. Asking

4:53

the Eleventh Circuit to order her

4:56

to clarify the ruling, or might

4:58

he file a motion and eliminate

5:00

the sorts of pretrial motions prosecutors

5:02

file asking for a ruling on

5:04

the jury instructions before trial. I

5:06

think that both of those are

5:08

problematic. He might not be able

5:10

to win because of the way

5:13

she's posture. This case. His best

5:15

shot might be a straight up

5:17

motion asking her to recuse at

5:19

this point on the basis of

5:21

multiple bowed rulings, but at least.

5:23

I'm so far as this goes, this

5:25

is the start of good news and

5:28

perhaps some suggestions that Judge Man and

5:30

one her feet are held that the

5:32

fire which is what Jeff Smith did

5:35

with his response sir her request for

5:37

jury instructions that she at least understands

5:39

what she's being told. She

5:42

doesn't react when her fetus are held to

5:44

the fire cause she doesn't want him. She

5:46

doesn't want us to go to the higher

5:48

court. However, she also responded. By.

5:50

Snacks and him down. What? Could

5:53

that mean for a potential trial that Jack

5:55

Smith may have made an enemy of A

5:57

mean? Can. Oh.

6:00

So I don't think it's a

6:02

surprise to anyone that judge can

6:04

and isn't on the government's side

6:07

in this case simply because her

6:09

ruling and been so out of

6:11

the ordinary, so inconsistent with accepted

6:13

legal doctrine. I mean, lawyers have

6:15

disagreements with judges all the time.

6:18

No one likes to to lose

6:20

emotion. That's not what this is.

6:22

Her rulings have been contrary to

6:24

well established law, and it's no

6:26

exception here because the fact of

6:29

the matter is. She saying,

6:31

well, maybe Trump that offers them

6:33

sap that trial that would reinvigorate

6:35

this Presidential Records Act defense and

6:37

not simply not the case. The

6:39

Presidential Records Act isn't some sort

6:41

of magic wand that excuses criminal

6:43

possession of classified documents by a

6:45

former presidents. The fact that show

6:47

even entertained up speculation suggests that

6:49

this is a case where Jack

6:51

Smith will have to find a

6:53

way to get this in front

6:56

of the Eleventh Circuit in hopes

6:58

of having her removed before the

7:00

trial. Post was. Peter. What

7:02

do you think about what Andrew Weissmann said

7:04

the judge can and pointed out how complex

7:06

this case is and he said no way

7:08

It is cut and dry when you think.

7:12

Will. Get back a lot of lawyers.

7:14

They do return Lot of the four

7:16

cases that have been lodged against President

7:18

Trump's this one seems the most open

7:21

a service. According to legal experts, you're

7:23

not entitled to classified documents reviewed. He

7:25

tried to prevent the government them during

7:27

the back when they ask for them.

7:29

He defies subpoena. Awkward evidence submitted by

7:31

the prosecution wifi conspired with other members

7:33

of is T were savage from our

7:35

lot of river the government from finding

7:37

these documents from a breeder. Bring them

7:40

back. He wasn't the case that our

7:42

he brought. Some of the Xbox the didn't

7:44

realize he he had, he acted. We made

7:46

an effort to for the others with this

7:48

been submitted to try to prevent the government

7:50

from Harrys this is not know, I mean

7:53

people didn't hold for a whole lot less

7:55

in the handling of classified documents we've seen

7:57

their time and time again. This petition that

7:59

January said the question about the such medication

8:01

the York were about to see starts They

8:03

argue with raise an interesting beagle courses we

8:06

haven't seen before. But as as I think

8:08

I think Weisman is correct to say that

8:10

was really novel about this is that as

8:12

a president for pressing I stays Not The

8:14

issue of the are hailing classified documents. I.

8:17

Would let our audience to know that

8:19

Lolly is such a superb nerd is

8:21

that one other guess are answering questions

8:23

season eve were it says know as

8:26

to prepares to answer ours to get

8:28

ready for a good wine Molly these

8:30

issues as it as a solicitor you

8:33

are on the punished writing. All these

8:35

two judges today rejected Trump efforts. To.

8:37

Dismiss these cases a kid or just

8:39

said s is that the album brag

8:41

case someone up in eleven days are

8:44

his efforts to delay, delay, delay or

8:46

the becoming less effective? Well the road

8:48

calling to and Sigma This is the

8:50

big question. And it's funny because the

8:52

New York Times said this page story

8:54

about how Trump had spent a hundred

8:56

million dollars on legal fees or. Someone.

8:59

Spent a hundred and don't act on

9:02

behalf of the bright, but that's a

9:04

staggering sum of money. Sir and aides

9:06

have worked in a lot of ways.

9:08

I think is is only facing one

9:10

trial at this moment, which is kind

9:12

of incredible considering that he has ninety

9:15

one counts he say sense and med

9:17

the he's managed to punish these three

9:19

other trials. So I would say what

9:21

you see with these lawyers as they

9:23

are throwing everything they against the wall

9:26

write anything they can mean you know

9:28

there's some. The first. Amendment protects him.

9:30

Some, you know, maligning the judges

9:32

daughter mean just any ridiculous excuses.

9:34

And so I think he's gotten

9:36

to be able to really delay.

9:39

Is that accountability? The way that

9:41

I set of and and honestly

9:43

bad is really in itself. a

9:45

sign that the guard rails have

9:47

not hounds. Or a choice new

9:49

top it. Does. That more

9:52

ominous other Mcdonalds on Social

9:54

media company now publicly trading

9:56

to Social. Until today. He

9:58

was relatively quiet. The wasn't talking

10:00

about it much but then he went

10:02

on a big rant on his platform

10:05

today talking up the Sox sing all

10:07

this positive things about the company. Isn't.

10:09

That dangerous because if

10:11

he is saying anything

10:13

that is materially incorrect,

10:16

Warming. Attract a lot of attention

10:18

from federal regulators the Fcc that

10:20

can bring shareholder lawsuit says way.

10:26

So. You know he started this

10:28

morning on before the opening ball,

10:31

right Tottenham this saw of in

10:33

ways that are possibly misleading and

10:35

I say possibly advisedly because this

10:37

is the sort of the situation

10:39

that certainly for folks at the

10:42

As they see may be for

10:44

prosecutors, possibly for shareholders. This is

10:46

the sort of setting where you

10:48

start to wonder if what's going

10:50

on is completely kosher and so

10:53

it requires some investigation to look

10:55

into precisely what he. Sang and

10:57

precisely what the position of of

10:59

the stock is. and to contemplate

11:01

whether there's some fraudulent effort here

11:04

of pump up value or to

11:06

encourage investors to take steps on

11:08

the basis of fraudulent intervention. And

11:10

that can lead on. Although it's

11:12

not south process by any means

11:15

to some sort of investigation, there's

11:17

even the possibility of parallel proceedings

11:19

were the Justice Department and the

11:21

Fcc are working in tandem on

11:23

these cases. To look, I think

11:26

it's far. Too early to say

11:28

with any definitive sort of on

11:30

conclusion that that's what's going on

11:32

here. it's certainly will raise some

11:34

interest. But of course and noteworthy

11:37

while Donald Trump and sixty percent

11:39

of the company. Oddly.

11:41

He is not a direct, he is now on

11:43

a board. He is not a director and not

11:46

might end up protecting him or his you say?

11:48

I'm just a guy who owns a whole lot

11:50

of shares. I can be held accountable like an

11:52

actual. Ceo or an officer of the

11:54

company. That might be by design. Only

11:56

time will tell Peter I want to

11:59

talk about soon. Hoarding from your colleagues

12:01

at the Times reporting on Trump businesses

12:03

and how they have become less about

12:05

the hotels and more about the golf

12:07

resorts and how the Saudis. Are

12:09

play a huge role in this. Of

12:12

course down some is a presidential candidate.

12:14

How is it that more

12:16

people are not raising alarms

12:18

about huge conflicts of interest?

12:22

Well. As Americans horses you hear that

12:25

Republicans talk a lot about the foreign

12:27

business entanglements of the incumbent president. Some

12:29

rather he was paid money by businesses

12:31

in Ukraine, China and therefore year ago

12:34

schools must be bribed by form interest

12:36

nor his was the current president. Ah

12:38

they have no evidence that present by

12:40

neither As Preserve Vipers ever took any

12:43

actions as a result of his sons

12:45

business efforts even if his sons it

12:47

was profiting off of the by name

12:49

of you hear a lot of talk

12:52

about holidays about. How concerning this is

12:54

you don't hear law talks about his

12:56

videos that Trump himself continues to do

12:58

business overseas. He and his family have

13:00

long had assets and projects and other

13:02

interests are in foreign countries into. That

13:04

was a big issue while he was

13:06

present. the you know to continue to

13:08

get ah you know some Caspian from

13:10

Sport interest of the same time here

13:12

for setting foreign policy know country are

13:14

very few countries are more in the

13:16

thick of our foreign policy right now

13:19

the Saudi Arabia which is looking the

13:21

United States in terms of ah his

13:23

position the Middle East these of the

13:25

Israel in terms of the as the

13:27

Middle East these are the around as

13:29

a great deal of interest in the

13:31

Trump administration was protected it's consequences after

13:33

the killing his I'm all for show

13:35

you the Washington Post journalist who was

13:37

dismembered by saw the ages of our

13:39

reportedly said recorded it Cia by the

13:41

Saudi crown prince. So yes of course

13:43

there's obvious set of questions that will

13:45

be raised here. They know who's who's

13:47

running for president, know what the polls

13:49

are they paying attention and reacts to

13:52

was happening here. They have a great

13:54

interest in who sitting in the White

13:56

House next year. So. I see

13:58

less other that sounds other money issues. Hundred

14:00

and seventy five million dollar bond

14:02

in the civil fraud case. Explain

14:04

to us what New York Aj

14:06

systems may be looking for In

14:08

asking for more information, you know

14:10

if it's not just a regular

14:13

old bank or lender that backing

14:15

him? This guy and I lay

14:17

in the business that he's always

14:19

been an I mean subprime auto

14:21

landing. This is like go in.

14:23

This is a former resident and

14:25

the United sates going to a

14:27

payday lender. Basically like the riskiest

14:29

Lowland Blender. Is.

14:33

An awfully odd place for someone

14:35

like Donald Trump to go on

14:38

to post a bond. So Tisch

14:40

James is concerned that this fall

14:42

and does not secure the full

14:44

amount of the judgment that she's

14:47

entitled to. And you'll recall that

14:49

melts after the court of Appeals

14:51

in New York actually reduce the

14:53

bond from four hundred and sixty

14:55

million plus dollars. Two hundred and

14:58

seventy five million. Now she seems

15:00

to have concerns that there is

15:02

not sufficient house. In the and

15:04

to the that offered the security

15:07

the six the surety bond to

15:09

fulfill that obligation if trump default

15:11

so the judge will com I

15:14

think permit her to engage in

15:16

a hearing where they will push.

15:19

On. The integrity of this offering

15:21

because it's in fact this is

15:23

not suspicion surety to secure Trump's

15:26

that in the event he loses

15:28

on appeal, then there will have

15:30

to be some sort of a

15:33

substitute or additional bolland placed in

15:35

order to avoid Tis James immediately

15:37

going about the business of collecting

15:40

on the judgment by filling after

15:42

Trump's properties. Molly. The

15:44

L A Times is reporting that

15:46

some members of the house January

15:48

Six committee are talking about preparing.

15:51

For. Retribution that they might say

15:53

is from Trump. Is he's

15:55

reelected? What's your reaction to that? I

15:57

mean, and baron right to be. Good

16:00

item policy what he's gonna do and

16:02

we've hard Cash Patel in case we're

16:04

not worried, we've heard Cash Patel say

16:07

he's gonna lock up members of the

16:09

media. I mean this is this sort

16:11

of Hunger Hungary auto crash kind of

16:13

thing said Trump World that sort of

16:15

has been shopping as a possible. You

16:17

know the revenge tore his set, You

16:19

know he gets back and office and

16:22

and I think the right to worry

16:24

about that. I mean that is a

16:26

real concern but it does. It really

16:28

does bring back into stark relief. That

16:30

this is not a normal election. This.

16:33

Is not a normal presidential candidates? This

16:35

is we haven't. You know, we live

16:37

in a democracy we have never faced.

16:39

You know what? A president who was

16:41

once president running again saying that he

16:44

plans to lock up. His. Do

16:46

you know his political enemies and in

16:48

this is really wild south? It. As

16:50

the most important point to make

16:52

every day, this is not a

16:54

normal election. These are not two

16:56

candidates running against one another. About.

16:59

One of the mill policies. Our

17:01

democracy is on the line. Molly

17:03

thank you so much one day

17:05

as. Big as get to see her

17:08

secret notes Joy Peter, Peter Congratulations again

17:10

We're actually going to check back in

17:12

with you later, but when we come

17:14

back next. failure. Saw Snow Labels swaps

17:16

his third party this for president. Wonder

17:19

what they did? A lotta money they

17:21

re were going against what went wrong

17:23

and later. Protect. Civilians

17:25

or l. Side. And

17:27

support for Netanyahu after the death of

17:30

said in aid workers and Zaza eleventh

17:32

hour just getting underway on a Thursday

17:34

night. So.

17:41

If we were three, three to take ago. But. We.

17:44

Don't invade was did your taste buds

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ready for Mcdonalds breakfast? Bacon sandwiches. The

17:48

whole just three daughters will be on

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the up. To. Reduce the

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resources or countries google. says.

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And season. Steel before it's gone.

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Over well have one time daily. March eleventh are

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able Seven Twenty Twenty four participating Mcdonalds. Must.

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Atoms were more. it's. Cel.

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Labeled as L Sicily no More

18:15

and a statement said i see

18:17

Oh Nancy Jacobson announced that the

18:20

group would end it's efforts to

18:22

launch a third party. Take it

18:24

as are no candidates emerged. That

18:26

leaves only one third party candidate

18:28

last Rfk Jr. and his campaign

18:31

has some Democrats quotes freaked out

18:33

and ready to mobilize. Sack.

18:35

With Us Tonight time for Palmer, a

18:37

former white Us Communications Director for President

18:39

Obama and Tim Miller host as a

18:42

bulwark. podcasts and a former Communications Director

18:44

for Jeb Bush Server The threat of

18:46

a no Labels ticket is dawn. They

18:48

couldn't find a candidate. What's your take?

18:52

Yeah I'm I'm a democrat who freaks

18:54

out about Arcade Jr and are ready

18:56

to mobilize company it for you know

18:58

if I think that's what have I

19:00

hope what a half an hour with

19:03

no labels Well with seated self here

19:05

although I think thought this is. A

19:08

Rpg just more complicated? Good. I

19:10

think Democrats agree. I guess anti

19:12

Trump forces are really aligned. And

19:14

the fact that all these. Candidates.

19:17

Who look at the possibilities? We're serious.

19:20

And who are serious serious leaders. That

19:22

was possibility possibly the only joining the

19:24

no labels said get and decided that

19:26

all could do with help Trump And

19:28

that and no one would do it

19:30

right. That's sort of an early indicator

19:32

of concern in the populace writ large

19:34

about about the possibility of Trump when

19:37

eat, and I think it reflects a

19:39

larger concern. Bad democrats can, sort of,

19:41

you know, not nazi someplace to develop

19:43

acting talent on will be there. It's

19:45

it's to fight. To by Trump and

19:47

now you gotta turn that sir are

19:49

a cage Jr who even if he

19:51

gets just a small portion of the

19:53

votes and he's a little more complicated

19:55

because I think is the am obscure

19:57

could be that he appears to be.

20:00

Independent. Restarting the sega lot

20:02

of questions arise about a Sunday that

20:04

be back a Trump supporter smother you

20:06

know they're such questions today about a

20:09

sort of pro pardon a chance six

20:11

comments update that they'd made of. He.

20:13

Seems to be. Someone.

20:16

Who is aligned with Trump? Not you know,

20:18

and not who he claims to be. Not

20:20

as independent as it comes to be I

20:22

think that will really hurt him, but this

20:24

notion of someone who sort of independent? Not

20:26

of either party. Is. A real

20:28

threat. Even if it's six to three

20:30

percentage points, that could be a margin

20:32

of victory. Came. Before we get

20:35

to Rfk, just what's your take on

20:37

what happened? You know, labels? I mean,

20:39

for months Nancy in her squad were

20:41

out there fund raising, fundraising. Full steam

20:43

ahead. You.

20:45

Are also from the stores that

20:47

me to do. Summertime and the

20:49

be no legal donors were most

20:51

mostly delusional about a the possibility

20:53

rebooted find a candidate about the

20:55

bus with is our candidates good

20:57

wins about won't be impact of

20:59

such a team that would be.

21:01

There are people out there users

21:03

who started with who who argue

21:05

that this was in the serious

21:07

effort that this was going sums

21:09

probe Stalking Horse and I Do

21:11

is worth saying I never felt

21:13

that way of a reclusive babies.

21:15

Have a decision that that was not

21:17

the case and does your with respect

21:19

to Billie Joe Lieberman. Ah I think

21:22

that would this really was was just

21:24

lot night. It's hey from people in

21:26

the group and and a lot of

21:28

rich people in the school who who

21:30

thought that there is a broader interest

21:32

in August center right center candidate than

21:34

there is. I think most people who

21:36

are in that vein are for Joe

21:38

Biden and like Dubai and you're buying

21:40

occupies the centers this race maybe a

21:42

little bit more or less than than

21:44

very simple want. Them to be on

21:46

on one issue or another, but broadly

21:49

speaking is acceptable. Don't have is unacceptable

21:51

and so it's hard to recruit somebody

21:53

in that environment and I think that's

21:55

why they They came up and. Centers.

21:58

Are you are missing some of the. That that

22:00

certainly make Rfk Junior sound and

22:02

be more right than he that

22:05

than people realize. right?

22:07

For the voters he to potentially

22:09

poll. Or they actually paying

22:11

attention to the ins and outs

22:13

of what he says. Or are

22:15

they drawn to this new phase?

22:17

Different, die young, the peace and

22:19

didn't come from Silicon Valley and

22:21

they don't actually know what they're

22:23

getting into. By. The he

22:26

could attract young voters that

22:28

that President Biden is banking

22:30

on. I think

22:32

right now there's polls that show him getting

22:34

about fourteen percent of the vote. Really sad

22:37

scene though. it's in the last couple of

22:39

months, I think you're right. That's what it

22:41

is, right? It's people are authored by the

22:43

or peter current current political stalemate. The sounds

22:45

like something new. They like the name of

22:47

a Kennedy's. Five

22:49

and they like he did his. His first add

22:51

that he did was very well done and it

22:53

with sort of like or if you're tired of

22:56

both sides hear something different. Here's an independent and

22:58

that could could sound like a relief but it's

23:00

only been a couple of months where. Where people

23:02

started to look at him. Seriously? And there's no

23:04

there's a couple of them First couple. Group

23:06

that have formed said said to take

23:08

him on and the Dnc yeah nose

23:10

is doing that as well as A

23:12

and already your started. A few people

23:14

will be educated approve this guy. Is

23:16

that what is really for an Ip

23:19

bout that will turn off a large

23:21

swath of voters? That's one chunk of

23:23

voters that he will lose. Then there's

23:25

the message that needs to happen about

23:27

you. Help him, your help in elect

23:29

Trump have been there was one way

23:31

to stop Donald Trump and that it's

23:33

to lecture by President. Period. Ended discussion

23:35

and you know that will also take

23:37

away a number of voters for him.

23:39

I think of the and and then

23:41

there's a question of who hangs on

23:43

because they a guy in a bit

23:45

by appealing for whatever reason had those

23:47

people might be turned off as they

23:49

learned. He's. Who his whose

23:51

funding him that he doesn't appear to be

23:53

as independent as the is. I think those

23:55

are for the three lanes that democrats

23:57

that are trying to stop and look. It's

24:00

not always says he is. There's a lot

24:02

of crazy stuff that he is for and

24:04

if you vote for him, you're gonna help

24:06

Trump. I still pretty good about our ability

24:09

to make those arguments, but still. You know

24:11

one two percentage points could be the difference?

24:13

It's really scary. Ten. What do

24:15

you think? Are

24:18

on the line of a lot of

24:20

would you know for serve a purpose

24:22

One Nigeria allowed to the so effing

24:24

to go first or wouldn't bank on

24:26

this probably It's very core of our

24:28

have to support. His. To me

24:30

it's frumpy raises an anti establishment anti

24:32

vaccine. it's kind of luck not betting

24:34

against type of voter I'm or another

24:37

and gave him as a both of

24:39

the democratic process broadly maybe doesn't hasn't

24:41

voted a lot of mid terms or

24:44

primaries that maps to trump voters. I

24:46

think of our okay with his down

24:48

to three percent and it's a big

24:51

question that who yeah see her, teammate

24:53

her problems if he's really at that

24:55

low the numbers. Once you get beyond

24:58

that then we into the category. As

25:00

the Jennifer I was talking about, I

25:02

think that's the big concern for Joe

25:04

Biden is is this or of take

25:06

it's up to eight, nine ten eleven

25:08

for scientists. A lot of those voters

25:11

are gonna be basically part of the

25:13

democratic coalition. Traditionally it's a black voters

25:15

younger voters, your people that aren't have

25:17

your job I did maybe about gaza

25:19

me to vote inflation and are looking

25:21

is I have kids and off ramps.

25:24

Those people to buy campaign really needs

25:26

to communicate to and educated about the

25:28

far right views of Rfk. Today going

25:30

around with our of case I

25:32

guess support for her at least

25:34

openness to thought pardoning with January

25:37

Six rioters for example, are you

25:39

know educating those voters about our

25:41

about of the democratic traditional democrat

25:43

base voters about our of case

25:45

radicalism I think is gonna be

25:47

the key for for Joe Biden.

25:50

Pardoning. Design is a sex.

25:53

Insurrectionist as a lane I will

25:56

never and an was onerous on

25:58

right on. That's great. The idea. Thank

26:02

you for Maggie Grace! And that

26:04

it's just as well as thank you

26:06

both survey here. I appreciate it t

26:08

it leaves. Me: speechless. When

26:10

we come back President Biden serious

26:12

warning for Israel for him to

26:14

break down his has fall with

26:16

Prime Minister Netanyahu and illinois hour

26:18

of them. Have

26:32

to the Israeli air strike that killed seven

26:35

worked at aid workers and Dasa and B

26:37

C News Day Gutierrez has the details. Can

26:40

I President biden his morning Israel.

26:43

Action to Protect Civilians and it's

26:46

ward and some asked us policy

26:48

towards a staunch ally will chase

26:50

the direct message coming during a

26:52

phone call between the president and

26:54

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The.

26:56

President emphasize that the strikes

26:59

on humanitarian workers and the

27:01

overall humanitarian situation. Or.

27:03

Unacceptable. The Thirty Minute Call was the

27:05

first between the two readers in New

27:07

Be Three Weeks and marks the much

27:09

tougher tone towards Israel. The. White

27:11

House says the President made clear

27:13

the me for his real to

27:16

announce it implement a series of

27:18

specific concrete and miserable steps to

27:20

address civilian harm, humanitarian suffering, and

27:22

the safety of aid workers. The

27:24

White House has repeatedly said Israel

27:26

faces a genocidal threat from the

27:28

Moss just this week saying there

27:30

will be no change in Paul's

27:32

It but to Us officials tell

27:34

Nbc News the President today strongly

27:36

implies made condition American military aid

27:38

to Israel On whether Netanyahu mix

27:40

immediate changes. Over humanitarian concerns in

27:43

Gaza including getting to a cease

27:45

the White House and changes most

27:47

happen in days or even our.

27:51

Prime minister didn't really notice it

27:53

was as it it was evident

27:55

in a phone call. Today was

27:57

a good discussion. Thread. In

28:00

a very good discussion, cities call

28:02

was arranged in direct response to the

28:04

Israeli strike that killed seven. World Central

28:07

to to workers including thirty three

28:09

year old Sake of Flick injured a

28:11

do American Canadian citizen. And

28:13

B C's ruff senses spoke with his

28:15

parents. We're to. People.

28:18

Who have suffered trust. Is.

28:25

Lost her only so. But we're

28:27

only to. There are

28:29

thousands and thousands error. Israel says

28:32

the strike was a grave mistake

28:34

and was not intentional. Hit

28:38

a last: Him pseudo finances, national

28:40

security analyst and anchor. He is

28:42

the author of the new book,

28:45

The Return of Great Powers, Russia,

28:47

China and the Next World War.

28:49

It is out now and Peter

28:51

Baker is backlist state or Divine.

28:53

Administration is trying to walk a

28:56

really difficult than line between supporting

28:58

Israel's fight against the last and

29:00

and strongly encouraging them to protect

29:02

civilians. How. Hard is that. Well,

29:05

very hard as he hasn't been

29:08

very successful up until now. so

29:10

he's pushing further. The President along

29:12

that line you're talking about, he's

29:14

going further than has before his

29:16

same you can leverage American supports

29:18

maybe arms by specifically American support

29:21

for shoes. Really response to his

29:23

concerns over humanitarian issues and civilian

29:25

casualties and got he saw the

29:27

beginning of response to nine Israel

29:29

said is going to open up

29:31

a crossing into North Gaza in

29:33

close have been so loud. Open

29:36

a ports for more humanitarian goods. The

29:38

administration tells us that they expect more

29:40

our commitments by that Yahoos government. in

29:42

the two hours and days the com

29:44

that would match the demands made by

29:46

the present, we'll see how far there

29:48

will be gone. Weather's enough to satisfy

29:51

the President's or for now anyway. he's

29:53

willing to take a stronger positions that

29:55

he did or to take my other

29:57

democrats now for quite some time without

29:59

completely the cutting off. Well, you know,

30:01

support from Israel estimate it really doesn't

30:03

want to do. He wants Netanyahu would

30:06

respond to this ah, you know, push

30:08

on his parts in order to keep

30:10

the support. Sights. On

30:12

what what respond mean sands of Over

30:14

the last two hours Israel has agreed

30:16

to increase humanitarian aid delivery as as

30:19

going to be enough to repair the

30:21

damage and their relationships to see us

30:23

We're the had a Save the Children

30:25

on two nights of else. She describes

30:28

the current situation in Gaza as Hell

30:30

on Earth. As

30:33

it is, Gaza is facing the

30:35

prospect of imminent sam and says

30:38

that the to pieces that the

30:40

administration is demanding here one is

30:42

get more eighty and and you're

30:44

seeing that immediate response, opening the

30:47

air as crossing, opening the asked

30:49

god forwards, etc. But the other

30:51

piece right is take substantive changes

30:53

that protect civilians better and protect

30:56

aid workers better. But the fact

30:58

is the last twenty four hours

31:00

we've seen other civilians killed by

31:03

Israeli. Airstrikes. So those changes have

31:05

not taken place yet and are in

31:07

Israel has not yet articulated what those

31:09

changes, what those new standards are going

31:12

to be, and we're still awaiting the

31:14

result of Israel's investigation of just how

31:16

this deadly strike on World's Central Kitchen

31:18

took place. So that's the second piece

31:21

the administration is demanding. We haven't seen

31:23

Israel's answer yes, Semi.

31:25

Normal of for specifically sort

31:27

of the me uncertain. Global

31:29

world at war and what the next world

31:32

war could be? Now as the

31:34

tensions between Us and Israel. Grows.

31:37

So. Does the threat of a wider

31:39

war with Israel bombing of an

31:41

Iranian embassy complex for three assists

31:43

like more and more complicated. I

31:45

know you think a lot about

31:47

the ongoing conflict analysis on sudden.

31:51

No. Question In you see when you think

31:53

of the Great powers Russia and China,

31:55

their relationship with you as you you

31:57

see Russia and China to some degree

31:59

watching. America's troubles in the

32:01

Middle East tear drawn into a

32:03

conflict, there is drawn into a

32:06

dispute. A very public dispute now

32:08

with one of it's closest allies

32:10

as serving Russia's interests in the

32:12

region to occupy the Us, distracted

32:15

from the war in Ukraine, create

32:17

dissension in the ranks as it

32:19

were among the allies or and

32:21

also present the possibility of a

32:23

broader war their did. This is

32:26

straight out of the Russian playbook,

32:28

Stir the Pot. Throw

32:30

more fuel on the fire. So

32:32

all these events were seeing their

32:34

serve Russia's interests in this broader

32:36

great Power conflict. By the way,

32:38

Russia's not as watching it's contributing.

32:40

it's meeting with Hamas officials if

32:42

sending surface to air missiles to

32:44

Hezbollah. This. Suits Russia's interests

32:46

as well in a broader

32:49

great power conflicts. Their

32:51

present. Bible says signed off on

32:53

more arms for Israel. Congress is considering

32:55

a plan to censor their innocence s

32:57

this overseas plans What had been in

33:00

the works for months. Later.

33:02

These plans under thought the

33:04

nazis the president just delivered

33:06

to Netanyahu today. Well.

33:09

Those the timing right. First you get

33:11

the arms, then you get the top

33:13

pressure. So at the moment the pressure

33:15

on Israel is to some extent alleviated

33:17

because they don't have an immediate needs

33:19

from weapon since they've just gotten and

33:21

are seven. But having said that, there

33:23

is a risk on the part of

33:25

the Israelis of losing President Biden because

33:27

he is the one person Washington who

33:29

was the most important to them in

33:32

prosecuting this war. Because they've lost a

33:34

lot of democrats in Congress, they have

33:36

lost a lot of the American public

33:38

from the polls. Ah the last

33:40

people inside the by the administration is the

33:42

President who has been assistance. That is why

33:44

the right to defend itself is was a

33:46

right to grapple for Mosques he just wants

33:48

him to do and I'm more cautious and

33:50

careful. Way to.com or if against his and

33:53

he did this week with Wilkinson I will.

33:55

Subtleties and rookies. Cell. And

33:57

census unless will be total sense.

34:00

We come back at a sign

34:03

for our see no conversation. We

34:05

have said it many many times

34:07

on this show. The Twenty Twenty

34:09

Four election is on precedented and

34:11

our next death wants to make

34:13

sure the media. That lesson.

34:15

You do not want to miss this important

34:17

discussion and you have a valid. There

34:29

is so much noise surrounding the Twenty

34:31

Twenty Four Presidential race. And is only

34:33

going to get louder over the next

34:36

seven months. We all have to remember.

34:38

Words. Matter and how we talk

34:40

about these things matter. So in my

34:42

next guest an expert on American History

34:45

said the media is talk about Trump

34:47

vs. Biden. All wrong. I knew it

34:49

was a conversation we needed to have

34:51

on this program for tonight's keynote. I

34:53

am proud to welcome Saw The Lens

34:55

author and professor of American History. a

34:57

princess is also part of the group

34:59

as historians and scholars. Was met with

35:01

President Biden from time to time. Or

35:04

it was. Concern is for you everyday you.

35:06

What is the media getting wrong? How should

35:09

you be approaching? To choosing is

35:11

a normal action. I'm

35:13

not really The problem is normalizing

35:15

the process. normalize you would isn't

35:17

abnormal situation. That's really the problem

35:20

enough Live and let me just

35:22

say on say I'm saying this

35:24

is a story because interview you

35:26

put it in larger perspective see

35:28

just how abnormal was. What?

35:30

Is a normal Was. Normal. Election

35:33

involves the political party's nominee in a

35:35

can lose their respective countries to entire

35:37

process was a very good changed over

35:40

the sit over the decades but nevertheless

35:42

the they named their com and a

35:44

journalist and will debate the issues and

35:47

presents presents different ideas to american people

35:49

were where they stand them as a

35:51

certain amount of image and or the

35:54

rest of the nautilus. that's what it

35:56

is that's not happening. There's

35:59

just nothing. Okay. People might say okay,

36:01

that's happening but that's not that big of

36:03

a deal. You're far more alarms and that

36:05

us a story. How would you compare what

36:08

we're experiencing? Now to another point in his.

36:10

Was store will not do you. There is

36:12

nothing. Nothing. American

36:14

History. Dad and his

36:17

men who were close to a was

36:19

also helps us for the problem. that's

36:21

why it's so abnormal. Books are examples

36:24

of yes. Parties. Political

36:26

parties. You had a

36:28

democratic party, some republican party, To

36:30

help we can party doesn't exist anymore. As

36:33

renewal? Yes! The one could argue the

36:35

Republican party has more to represent what

36:38

Republican voters want, and that's Donald Trump's

36:40

i'm i disagree are good at sundown

36:42

argument or you're you're You're saying we

36:44

should be alarmed and stare responsible, Telling

36:46

me something scary? Yeah, Okay, because

36:49

Donald Trump. First.

36:51

It is not just moved in

36:54

turn a picture.their popularity speak change

36:56

from a conservative party to

36:58

a populist party and a populist

37:01

parties outside the norm. Some

37:03

American Sisters. We. Don't have the

37:05

we have some of the local level they come

37:07

and go but not at this level. Than

37:09

a populist candidates is someone who

37:12

says that the people were people

37:14

district of people with. Trump

37:16

Everything as it were. There. More important

37:19

because to from one point to the rule

37:21

of law and by the was who to

37:23

the people respond to there's always a maximum

37:25

wage. Is always the man who

37:27

says I am the only person who can

37:29

to suspend. How should we be covering this

37:32

election? If it's just Donald Trump's a problem,

37:34

what will you? Can't just say what? We

37:36

don't like this candidate for less cover? No

37:38

no, this is White House and we the

37:40

framing. Is an entire process is not

37:42

just for Kennedy's himself. Was what the Kennedys

37:44

has to offer was where the Kennedys talking

37:47

about the Kennedys not talking in a normal

37:49

way about the issues. Yeah, maybe have mentioned

37:51

the towers every once in a was that's

37:53

not what's going on here. What's going on

37:56

here is that is promising resistance. What he's

37:58

talking about Simply what he's talking. These are

38:00

you going to be a dictator on day one

38:02

or is going to up you guys or anything

38:04

like a belief? I'm. People. They do

38:06

cover that every that line to do anything. Else

38:09

or half because you have ugly. That's

38:11

why Cover The primary says no point

38:13

going on to something going on. It's

38:15

all silliness. It's all the trappings. The

38:17

trappings. normalize. Trump Trump become something other

38:19

than what he is because he looks

38:22

like a normal. Sentiments He is not

38:24

a normal. Can this so badly approach

38:26

this. Takes a to project Twenty Five

38:28

and it's and any many people don't

38:30

even know what it is right? It

38:32

is bounded by the American Heritage Group

38:34

you know as as a right wing

38:36

groups that filled with Trump allies that's

38:38

not officially connected to the campaign. However,

38:41

They. Have laid out. In. Nine

38:43

hundred. Page. Plans Got

38:45

it! For what Trump said. do

38:47

Day one in office and one

38:49

of the central tenants is to

38:51

remove the guard rails that actually

38:53

check Trump from going off the

38:55

rails and getting a lot of

38:57

really scary things done last time

38:59

around. You got it. Does the probably

39:02

say plan to got deserves the executive

39:04

branch the going to got. The

39:06

civil service are going to got everything. And.

39:08

Of points people who are basically two

39:10

swords reasons to Trump not to the

39:12

reformist not of the country Us because

39:14

difference to Trump. At

39:17

every level. The. Federal Reserve

39:19

and with son was are pretty important institution

39:21

has are gonna go to. The.

39:23

Going to put in his Pc you. Think people realize

39:25

that, know. But I think that that's

39:27

what us recovered as does a lot of things.

39:29

that is not so much how they cover things

39:32

that this is what's not cover. A

39:34

mess up and meant no response. It's

39:36

crazy oh any sort. These a profound

39:38

profound differences because are not just taking

39:41

away the guard rails is promoting a

39:43

system of government a form of government

39:45

that my cause of democratic that is

39:47

essentially to a liberal anti democratic. Such

39:50

a problem. What do we do

39:52

with all of the people who

39:54

are exhausted? From. Being outraged

39:56

I'm guessing you would say you

39:58

can't exhausted. There's two. Everyday

40:00

I would say that I wish that am

40:02

I would have trusted to particular people who

40:04

may not be soldiers. were younger younger voters

40:07

small younger voters thanks well as a tool

40:09

Men running on a really care what them

40:11

summits they don't understand democracy being it's say

40:13

Donald Trump is gonna be able to a

40:16

point Hundreds of several judges. So.

40:18

Out the system. Thera won't affect those young

40:20

people's lives long after I'm dead. Long.

40:22

After all of us are Dead was going to

40:25

affect their was profoundly. A Meat

40:27

Dogs is just the beginning. You're.

40:29

Going over Supreme court's it's seasick.

40:31

It's rough now, right? Sixty three

40:33

separate issue is going to be

40:35

permanent. It's going to and you

40:38

have to address younger voters who may not

40:40

have Livermore Energy weren't around for the last

40:42

time. It but point this out to. The. Point.

40:44

Out the sexes this is that the steaks or that

40:47

important for them for the rest of it was. Then

40:50

I think you'd be doing your job.

40:52

A crucially important warning: Thank you so

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