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Special counsel Jack Smith and Judge Eileen Cannon

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trading thinly veiled threats as they square

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off over Donald Trump's classified documents case.

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If the judge were to dismiss down

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the road based on the presidential record

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that the case would be over, Donald

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Trump would be acquitted. Smith's next step

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could be to seek for

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the removal of Judge Cannon herself.

1:06

No labels was looking for a hero and

1:09

a hero never emerged. Well, that

1:11

was the biggest waste of $80 million

1:13

to ruin a brand I've ever seen.

1:15

Well, let me say it's not for lack

1:17

of trying. That's for sure. It was not

1:19

based in reality, just like our case of

1:22

campaign is not based in the reality. The

1:24

world is basically trying to nuke RFK out

1:26

of this race. Three hundred three thousand

1:28

net new jobs added in March. That

1:30

is a great number. Truth social.

1:33

You've seen this stock on

1:35

the move. I mean, it's ridiculous. Do

1:38

you think it has no revenue? Billionaire

1:40

media executive Barry Diller slamming Trump media

1:42

and its investors comparing the company to

1:45

mean stocks with no real value. Why

1:47

are you even talking about this? It's

1:49

a scam, just like everything he's ever

1:51

been involved in is some sort of

1:54

con. Any

2:01

once again I have says an evil

2:03

and we are now two hundred and

2:05

fourteen days away from the elections. and

2:07

this week there was more back and

2:09

forth incomes, many legal cases, denials of

2:11

motions to delay or even dismiss expanded

2:13

gag orders, and Jackson as himself making

2:16

it clear he has had enough. With

2:18

the judge overseeing the classified documents case, get

2:20

a lot to cover so. Let's bring

2:22

anus or Mary Special nightcap

2:24

crew my dearest friend. My.

2:27

True Partner Ali Velshi Msnbc see correspondent

2:29

and Host A lousy Is Here Amanda

2:31

Litmus cofounder and told second Director of

2:33

Run For Something Treaty and Roy would

2:36

in junior. He is also a former

2:38

correspondents in the Daily Show and Nbc

2:40

News Capitol Hill Correspondent Alley, Metallic Madame,

2:43

The Tally I start a welcomes you

2:45

All so I service you. Delay

2:48

train seems to be com

2:50

mean possibly to an. In

2:53

has many cases starting in less than two

2:56

leagues. Do. You think there's any

2:58

chance we actually see. A verdict for

3:00

election Day. Oh I mean, imagine

3:02

maybe Boss is. A very technical rest

3:04

of his professional word mammals reporters know that's

3:07

what's so difficult about watching these court cases

3:09

is that you're watching the hush money keys

3:11

Phil Forward but actually think that our the

3:13

one that has at least bearing on Americans

3:15

ability to vote or not vote for Trump

3:18

as if their opinions aren't baked Already spicing

3:20

things like the documents case and adjustments January

3:22

six case in addition to what's going on

3:24

Fulton County where he'll literally of the guy

3:26

on tape sense give me the most I

3:28

need to witness thanks to the ones that

3:31

I think we're actually impactful and those are

3:33

the ones. That you're watching and stick the can

3:35

down the road. On the story. Daniel. Some people

3:37

have that in their brain. From like five

3:39

years ago. I don't think it's changing anything,

3:42

and if you talk to everyone democrat or

3:44

republican, they agree it's the weakest case in

3:46

terms of impact. So yeah, that might be

3:48

the one we see, but the ones that

3:50

voters should see or the other. Except of

3:52

course people think oh, it's essays you know

3:54

into that is why it's it's about adultery

3:57

it's not known, as about paying someone off

3:59

the side information. Reading ensure the

4:01

last answered my question though right

4:03

Are too many people expecting. That.

4:05

Isn't when there is a verdict

4:07

sample automatically be found guilty Because

4:09

let's be clear. He might not

4:12

be yeah and if he's not feel

4:14

guilty when he's going to use that

4:16

as fuel to do modules illness would

4:18

roll and know what to say the

4:20

word which hot builders from under center

4:22

would oldest. I'm still to defile. it's

4:25

spreading. The case is out now like

4:27

beyond cel visions and why would you

4:29

do that to before he was a

4:31

bit of logjam. Surprised to find much

4:33

as a metaphor days from one regret

4:35

I do now being upset about which

4:37

one does actually. Listen to different the

4:40

outside our financial out. Of

4:43

money. I. Wanted. To talk to our now

4:45

see bad as all week long as it

4:47

sounds romp even though and delays or ending.

4:49

This guy gets break after break whether it's

4:51

the judge down in Florida, whether it's he

4:53

founded. I given the hundred and seventy five

4:55

million dollar bond. For. Now truth

4:58

social being publicly traded company speed

5:00

could end up making him hundreds

5:02

of millions if not billions of

5:04

dollars Then snacks he he's gonna

5:06

be golf tournament with live also

5:08

Sands to make a lot of

5:10

money. But to social what the and

5:12

take on this oh my gosh was rest

5:14

the market up and down administering loses value

5:16

everyday so yeah could make them under the

5:18

made his own. Age

5:21

so amazing Him on paper but on

5:23

paper his it's it's a laughing what

5:25

it was when it when it debuted.

5:27

One never knows how this all goes.

5:29

What are the important point about for

5:31

social is it. Is. Not exactly a

5:33

meme stocks, but it's got all the makings

5:35

of it, right? It's non institutional investors. It's

5:37

not banks and insurance companies and funds things

5:40

like that. It's it's opening from fans. If

5:42

somebody did not and when he sang. doesn't

5:44

do anything it amuses more money and we

5:46

thought of last fifty eight million dollars or

5:48

something it's first year that the interesting thing

5:51

here that you pointed out to me the

5:53

other day it's is that it's part of

5:55

with another from the largest shareholder that for

5:57

was also the largest shareholders in paint and

5:59

six hours talk, richest man in Pennsylvania, Jeffrey Yass.

6:01

And it's just a little, whole thing's a little bit

6:03

weird. This is a guy who wasn't that into Trump

6:05

in the first place. He's not supported him historically. And

6:08

now all of a sudden, that's all of a sudden

6:10

this deal was in the works for a long time.

6:13

But Jeff Yass has

6:15

a conversation with Donald Trump. They both acknowledged

6:17

they met, but they won't acknowledge what they

6:19

talked about. And Donald Trump's opinion of TikTok

6:21

banning it in the United States changed. A

6:25

master's loan potential investor. There could be

6:27

all sorts of massive people buying up

6:29

this stock, potentially occurring in favor with

6:31

the next president of the United States.

6:33

That's right. Because nobody buys this stock because it looks like

6:35

a good investment, right? People ask us as

6:38

financial reporters, hey, what should I do with my 401k? And

6:40

I always tell people, this is not my jam. I can't

6:42

advise you on that. Nobody's

6:45

advising anybody to buy true social stock, like

6:47

your, or whatever it's called, Trump Media stock.

6:50

That's just a weird company

6:52

that doesn't mean anything. Now, for many years,

6:54

Amazon did not make a profit, but you

6:56

knew something was happening. There was a bet

6:58

on the idea that Jeff Bezos was very

7:00

smart, probably smarter than most people and was

7:03

going to find a way to make money.

7:05

And yes, nobody's saying that. Nobody's saying that.

7:07

You can't tell me you're ahead of the

7:09

game when you're selling Bibles and gold sneakers.

7:12

That is not a person that has a good idea. Okay.

7:15

But the craziest thing is

7:18

there's a market for it. So is

7:20

Donald Trump not the luckiest guy in

7:22

the world that there's even a market

7:24

for the Bibles or the shoes or

7:26

the back or the fact that he

7:29

has a publicly traded company that does

7:31

nothing, that loses tens of millions of

7:33

dollars and the whole company is just

7:35

him crazy posting. And the investors in

7:37

the media company are, I just thought

7:39

today, like mostly Republican donors, someone with

7:42

a questionable relationship to the Russian oligarchs,

7:44

like not a surprising list of people.

7:46

And I do think it's a little,

7:48

I don't know, maybe self-fabotaging on Trump's

7:50

part that he's taking money, Money from

7:52

people who could be giving to his campaigns and

7:54

ultimately funding a bunch of his legal fights and

7:57

instead directing them to meme stocks and a media.

8:00

The way that the having money to

8:02

his campaign rally evolving. Into

8:04

it and guess is they can do right.

8:07

Author losses, mobile right? Other campaigns Oxytocin label

8:09

them to max out on the political side

8:11

menu. Both about another avenue for funding this

8:13

stuff. and I mean again, only to do

8:15

without anyone knowing your name, exactly. And I

8:17

think the influence piece that you've pointed to

8:20

time and again is so important because the

8:22

thing that Congress wants to talk about his

8:24

who was Hunter by doing business with and

8:26

the thing that Democrats often come back with

8:28

was I do think is a fair question

8:30

is okay, cool. Do oversight of Hunter Bible

8:33

says it. Also. Do oversight. Of

8:35

Jared Kushner and the initial investments you've gotten

8:37

from the Saudis and the deals that they

8:39

were doing potentially as he was leaving the

8:41

White House but but was involved in for

8:43

diplomacy and he's all of this stuff is

8:45

involved with each other. And. You gotta

8:47

write like it's worth looking at. It

8:50

I have not also died at of

8:53

is good for don't of Saudi wealth

8:55

money or two billion dollars invested a

8:57

lot choice murals but you can find

8:59

the best investors anywhere in the world's

9:01

veered coasters not have a top. Five.

9:03

Hundred thousand of the world's best investors

9:05

know whatever our lives are about rather

9:08

than five. Annoyed because. Today another example

9:10

should be a great day form

9:12

with a bang. Odd jobs, import

9:14

woods yet again shows wouldn't extraordinary

9:16

economic. Recovery we sat way.

9:18

The economy is strong. But.

9:21

From a political standpoint, it's still

9:23

a challenging political story because we

9:25

have an overhang. Of inflation

9:28

and less expensive for people. So

9:30

how does the President's hannah navigate

9:32

this and and debt That positive

9:34

message out like clockwork. Every

9:40

viceroy three as good as. Know.

9:46

What The? President

9:49

of the does listen and job

9:51

news is indicative of was been

9:53

happening. In the entirety of the

9:55

Biden Administration which is good news that is

9:57

able to be spawn into something that means.

10:00

Nothing when the truth is that they've done

10:02

a lot of monumental policies and a lot

10:04

of monumental things. And I think it's more

10:06

about how do you get people to understand

10:08

why this is going? And I think that

10:10

does a degree there's a lack would try

10:12

as that. I can. Buy them

10:14

and then did not have and

10:16

twenty tweets with the ability to

10:18

simplify things. Alex is not simple,

10:20

it is a very complicated thing

10:22

but because Trump is so by

10:24

Mary and Moon bad Marco wall

10:26

he would be willing to. Not

10:28

how the truth threat. Threat.

10:31

And the truth is word. Uttered.

10:34

Now it's the truth is not as he

10:36

threatened by the subject. Yeah, that's what

10:38

the administration continues to struggle with. I

10:40

do not know how they do that and

10:42

his men. On top of that, you

10:44

still fighting the argument about age which

10:46

I've never understood. The can be a dude

10:49

is only four years to a. Younger.

10:52

Years younger than. The. Presence of

10:54

us. Sit right as like how does

10:56

a show at not however on infrastructure

10:58

on the way to be kept in

11:00

Flint? Price that thirty five bucks like

11:02

that's not worthiness problem right? His own

11:05

attorney said. The President

11:07

t control inflation. But you want

11:09

to the camera say but look what he

11:11

had done. He is trying to can credit

11:13

card lazy that eight dollars. He is trying

11:15

to crack down on mortgage closing costs. He's

11:17

trying to tackle access these on college loans

11:19

and soon loan borrowers and raining in the

11:21

rental market stand there is. A

11:24

pain of my first cigarettes. So

11:26

how does the President get this

11:28

into the American psyche? Because people

11:30

are going man life So expensive.

11:33

As the same. For

11:35

one thousand offered an enormous solutions

11:37

is insane. I'm in a flat

11:39

tyre as soon as I say

11:41

it's actually back on every talked

11:44

quite whatever you think Joe Biden

11:46

didn't do well enough odds I'm

11:48

not sure. With the exception of

11:50

lowering taxes which is very big

11:52

one and the regulation which is

11:54

very big one to corporations and

11:57

and Ceos, anything would have been

11:59

done better. Donald Trump. He just he

12:01

wasn't better have any of that stuff he's

12:03

he meant it for another time we recovering

12:06

Infrastructure Week every time it happened and even

12:08

he real be all within three hours of

12:10

launching it because in tweet that someone has

12:12

fired or staging some last that has since.

12:15

Donald Trump is binary but he's that the

12:17

one thing that is working against Joe Biden

12:19

is that the price of an egg is

12:21

more expensive than it was a few years

12:24

ago. Inflation is coming under control, but prices

12:26

are going backwards because prices will go backwards.

12:28

It's it's as edifices we're. Going backwards our

12:30

economy. that would actually be a really bad things

12:33

on many levels for our economy but you pay

12:35

more for net pay more for to make a

12:37

mess. A Cost of Housing and a Cost of

12:39

childcare continues to go up and for a lot

12:41

of songs like myself included, those are Your Biggest

12:43

Night at Lans and as they just. Aren't mind

12:46

that the president can do anything up and

12:48

they are often her time as any sign

12:50

says, He's trying as a

12:52

really hard arguments makers your time to tell people

12:54

the thing as a Steel Israel for the lived

12:56

experience or the wrong come on their money is

12:58

that the economy is great and if someone told

13:01

me that and like well it must be good

13:03

for someone else because not. Good. Said not my

13:05

hearing's we're the things you feel the

13:07

and the thing that is your lived

13:09

experience right now are divergence. Your lived

13:12

experience is a better economic realities than

13:14

the By Yes and that's the disconnect

13:16

is that would go we you on

13:18

by. Were saying that's right now.

13:21

On. Twitter, they're going to be going.

13:23

not saying it's the media's fault here,

13:25

talking down the economy here, convincing the

13:28

American people that the economy sucks you

13:30

are to blame, but it's actually. The

13:32

Wind Experience yeah of really think

13:35

that. It's. Hard to tell someone

13:37

who is struggling that everything is okay

13:39

and I don't know how you're able

13:42

to slip. That and what Biden can

13:44

afford to do with the campaign is

13:46

seemingly not been interested in Born As

13:49

Course. Yeah, you're right in his bed

13:51

now. They are doing it now. Okay,

13:53

that. Is. talking about

13:55

it doesn't necessarily make people feel

13:58

that are less expensive Somebody

14:00

who is out of the game, I have to

14:02

ask you, no labels. $80

14:05

million later, all the big

14:07

ideas, very TV appearances, Nancy

14:09

Jacobson, I'm looking at you. And

14:11

they're out. What's your take? I

14:14

mean, I used my very official term earlier, but

14:16

I mean, that was the word that I think

14:18

I heard from so many operatives who had been texting me

14:20

nonstop over the course of the last few months being like,

14:22

no labels is doing this. Have you heard from them on

14:24

this? And now they finally get to

14:27

exhale. I think the people who were always

14:29

taking no labels more seriously were the Biden

14:32

folks. They had stopped up around

14:34

this. I think they were prepared to launch a full

14:37

scale attack to try to keep these folks, whoever they

14:39

recruited out of the game. I think they're happy that

14:41

they don't have to do that anymore. But I think

14:43

just the fact that, you know, there

14:45

was this back and forth that there should be another candidate

14:48

in the first place when the outreach wasn't

14:50

even really existing. Like

14:52

I remember talking to the Nikki Haley folks who were

14:54

like, yeah, no one ever like called Nikki Haley, even

14:56

though they were trying to get to her over the

14:58

media. I do think that it

15:00

lands them in the right place of, OK, now voters know

15:02

they have a binary even though her case still in there.

15:04

I think he's more of a Trump problem than a Biden

15:07

problem. But are you saying that they were raising

15:09

70 million dollars and not actually doing anything

15:11

meaningful with it? I am shocked, shocked to

15:13

hear that. Why are you all saying that?

15:15

You might not have called it a lot

15:17

of money, Seth. A lot of money. But

15:20

let's talk about our off game for a minute, though, Roy. Just

15:23

a minute. Just a minute. Ali is

15:25

saying he's going to pull from Trump. What's

15:27

your take? Because there are people out there

15:30

who might not realize who he is or

15:32

what he's saying or what he represents, but

15:34

they just feel like I'm tired of politics.

15:36

I'm exhausted by this whole thing. Here's

15:38

a new face. I think there's going

15:40

to be some liberal voters who just

15:42

choose R.F.K. just on just the call

15:45

it political voting roulette, if

15:48

you will, for lack of a better option.

15:50

Like what's the guy? Literally anybody changed

15:53

his name. So it's either R.F.K.

15:55

or literally anybody else. I

15:57

don't think that it's going to be a bigger

15:59

issue. for Biden than Trump. I think

16:01

it's definitely Trump. Because the stuff he talks about

16:04

is stuff that he talks about is already... You

16:07

got to be on the other

16:09

side to be accepting the vaccine

16:11

stuff, the conspiracy theory stuff, the

16:13

calling January 6th people, patriots,

16:15

you know... How does it not get

16:17

his own family campaigning against him? Well,

16:21

can you imagine your mother

16:23

campaigning against you? And

16:25

his argument is like, listen, not every

16:27

family gets along about everything, but I'm

16:29

like... I think my typical...

16:31

It's just his college roommates and everybody who

16:33

worked with him. But your

16:35

cousin, your family? That's another level.

16:38

Alright, nobody's going anywhere. When we

16:40

come back, we're talking Cowboys, Carter,

16:42

Beyonce's latest album, The Reaction, what

16:45

it says about us and March Madness,

16:47

the games, the players and what is,

16:49

everybody's talking about. And later, the rise

16:51

of cancel culture and comedy. What happens

16:53

when it goes too far? When our

16:55

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16:57

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right, we talked about what we needed to talk

18:09

about. Now let's talk

18:12

about what we want to talk

18:14

about and let's start with Beyonce's

18:16

album, Cowboy Carter, now officially out

18:18

for one week. Roy, this was

18:20

supposed to be her country music

18:22

debut but what we got

18:25

was so much more. Yeah, I think what

18:27

we got in addition to the music was

18:29

a history lesson about the roots of blackness

18:31

in country music at a time where all

18:34

we love to do is reject the truth

18:36

about the origins of so many things in

18:38

this country. And I think that's the conversation

18:40

that I've been happy to see happening around

18:43

the album is the fact that, oh, not

18:45

only am I going to come into this

18:47

genre and do something new and inventive but

18:49

I'm also gonna put on my back a

18:52

lot of the black people that are already

18:54

in the genre and were all ready to be

18:56

chaired long before I got here and pay homage

18:58

to them. Hey, Dolly Pardon, come on over too,

19:00

let's do a remix. And I think that part

19:02

is what made it so enjoyable when she goes

19:04

on tour. You need to buy

19:06

stocks from cowboy hats. That's it. Whatever

19:09

company makes the cowboy hats, that's

19:12

the stock of all of it. I

19:14

can feel out and probably come out with cowboy

19:16

hats. These are truth hats. But you know what's

19:18

good thing, because Beyonce is not gonna get 1619

19:21

for doing it which is interesting, right? Because the

19:23

story of the black contribution to

19:25

country music, I mean contribution, Ken Burns

19:27

did a lot on this in his

19:30

documentary, is that his first

19:32

episode of his documentary was called The

19:34

Rub. It was about the black and

19:36

white origins of country music that evolved

19:39

into a country that didn't want to

19:41

share origins. So they decided that country

19:43

music was the white thing and R&B

19:45

was the black thing. But

19:47

in fact, so many of their roots were

19:50

in the same place and the same type of

19:52

music and the same type of stories about love

19:54

and loss. And I thought that was interesting. That

19:56

conversation's died down for the last couple of years

19:58

and it's coming back. And do you think this

20:01

is a political album? No. No, I

20:03

think people, for example, let's be

20:05

honest. The more important

20:07

thing is, as we get

20:09

used to this, we will understand that when

20:11

black people have country music hits, it's not

20:13

a stretch. It's not going into someone else's

20:15

world. It's going back into your own. There's

20:17

no novelty at that point. Then

20:20

what's your take, Amanda, of the criticism?

20:23

There's not a lot of it, but there is some that's loud.

20:25

It's from the far right, which I

20:27

don't even understand why. But what's your take? Some

20:29

of it is targeted towards a black woman who

20:32

is amazing at what she does because she's a

20:34

black woman who's amazing at what she does. That's

20:36

a whole list of black women, the kids, oh. Some

20:39

of it is well thought out. There

20:42

are some songs that are better than

20:44

others, but they're all interesting. There's so

20:46

much there. She gives us, essentially, a

20:48

history lesson. I heard Sayeed

20:51

Jones describe it as the great

20:53

American novel, but in music form.

20:55

It is beautiful. Now, some of

20:57

the critiques are super racist

20:59

and problematic, but I do think there's

21:01

some more interesting conversation happening around the

21:03

music because she gives us so much

21:05

to dive in on. But how about the

21:08

fact that some of her biggest supporters on

21:10

this album are the collaborators,

21:12

the original artists? It's Paul

21:14

McCartney. It's Dolly Parton playing

21:16

O'Molly Nelson. Dolly Parton said

21:19

three years ago, I think

21:21

it was to Trevor Noah, a hope that one

21:23

day Beyonce covered Jolene. I mean, the fact that

21:25

Miley Cyrus is once saying, I can't wait to

21:27

see Beyonce, and now she is also a

21:30

part of this project. I think it's a

21:32

beautiful thing when you watch people who are

21:34

considered as deep roots in country, like Dolly

21:37

Parton, being able to say, yes, this is

21:39

absolutely a beautiful take and where this country

21:41

music genre needs to go further. And

21:44

I think it's getting rid of the novelty factor.

21:46

There are so many brilliant black musicians who have

21:48

been in this space and who are

21:50

now talking about the Beyonce bump of

21:52

their streams going up, them being recognized

21:55

as artists in their own caliber

21:57

for being featured in this way. And I think

21:59

that for some people, People who say that Beyonce might

22:01

have, I know that there are some critics out

22:03

there who are saying it's too commercial, it's not

22:05

enough country, it's Beyonce. This woman is mainstream and

22:08

she is huge. That's always how she's gonna do

22:10

it. But if other people could grow with that, and

22:12

if her album gets nominated for any number of

22:14

awards, all those people get nominated too, which is

22:16

like what an incredible thing to do for that.

22:18

It's gonna be hell with the CMAs. Beyonce

22:21

wins some country music awards because now you're

22:23

gonna have people who are purists who are

22:25

going to act like there aren't other commercialized

22:27

country music artists. It's a broad genre, there's

22:29

a lot of country music. Yeah, I have

22:32

a twist, yeah, I will tell you, what's

22:34

Hill are doing when she got big in

22:36

country? Right. You were

22:38

using Beyonce crossing genres

22:41

to try to uplift your narrative

22:43

that this is some sort of

22:45

attack on whiteness. And to act

22:48

like anybody of only

22:50

one specific race can do one specific

22:52

genre, that's wrong. The only person getting

22:54

attacked is Jolene, and she's been getting

22:56

attacked for the last 50

22:58

years. I mean, I'm not only hiding

23:00

under a white box. Jolene's fault, and

23:02

she deserved to get stomped on, on

23:04

it acoustically. Okay,

23:08

let's talk about some other extraordinarily

23:10

powerful women. This week I'm talking

23:12

March Madness. Is this

23:15

a turning point for women in sports?

23:17

Because traditionally when women don't get paid or

23:19

they don't get the resources, it's always like,

23:21

well, like they can't sell out arenas, they

23:23

don't have the audience, but boom,

23:26

they do. What

23:28

do you think in this moment? I mean, just

23:30

the fact that people like Shaq and others are

23:32

coming out and saying that Angel Reif and Caitlin

23:35

Clark, these are the most talented people. They're saying

23:37

he doesn't even know the names of the

23:39

men playing. And you know what? Same. Nope.

23:42

And I love that. And I love that

23:44

we're talking about it as just basketball and

23:47

not women's basketball as much anymore. These are

23:49

just amazing athletes. And I'm excited for the

23:51

fact that there are so many young kids,

23:53

not just girls, but also boys who are

23:55

clamoring for a Caitlin Clark jersey or who

23:57

are clamoring to be like Angel Reif. Why

24:00

was the dream right there for anyone who was

24:02

little? I mean, I had Mia Hamm when I

24:04

was playing soccer and Randy Chastain and that was like

24:06

it. The fact that kids now,

24:08

we're gonna have all of these different women to

24:10

look up to in sports, from Sue Bird, Megan

24:13

Rapinoe, all of these amazing women. I

24:15

love this, this is amazing, I'm thrilled.

24:17

And I hate basketball. How

24:20

does the WNBA keep this mojo

24:22

going, right? How do they take

24:24

this excitement and bring this excitement

24:29

to arenas for professionals? That's easy, when

24:31

Caitlin Clark goes presumably number one, I

24:33

believe to the Indiana Fever, whoever the

24:35

first pick, then you start putting those

24:37

fever games on TV, one, two. You

24:39

start making sure that you have women

24:41

that are the face of the league

24:43

and you put faces to these teams.

24:45

And they've already started that process, it

24:47

just continues because now Caitlin gives you

24:49

the hop rookie to follow into

24:52

the pros. I think the issue with the men's

24:54

game is that so many players have won and

24:56

done. NIL has you playing hopscotch from school to

24:58

school so you don't have a relationship year after

25:00

year. The fact that this was a revenge

25:02

game, there's no men's basketball game, where you

25:04

could say last year, he did

25:06

this again. Right, right. This year, it's time

25:09

for the game. That's

25:11

the interesting point. It's

25:15

not a good thing or a bad thing. It's

25:17

good for this momentum that we've got right now,

25:19

but ultimately, isn't that a weird

25:21

answer? That this works because

25:23

women don't leave and get drafted.

25:27

They're not going to want to go. We've seen

25:29

their story for the last few years. Do you

25:31

think that's what's so special about this group of

25:33

women? We know their stories, we follow them, we

25:36

love and hate them. I mean, until

25:38

recently, she was entering the WNBA draft

25:40

with a beautiful photo shoot in Vogue.

25:43

Amazing, amazing. And you're gonna see her and

25:45

Caitlin Clark enter the WNBA at a moment

25:47

where they can really capitalize on this story.

25:50

Last year, the Liberty Games at Brooklyn were some of

25:52

the most fun places you could go see sports. We're

25:54

gonna see even more of that next year. I think

25:56

I saw women's sports is gonna break a billion dollars

25:58

in revenue for the first time. It's just at the

26:00

beginning. Yeah, women's soccer, everything. And the Olympics too

26:02

with, oh, we got Simone Biles coming back. It's

26:05

going to be a good summer. All right. I

26:07

want to talk about a different kind of storm,

26:10

I guess you could say. Late

26:12

this morning, there was a 4.8 magnitude

26:15

earthquake that struck the Northeast. It

26:17

was felt from Philadelphia to Boston,

26:19

especially in New York. It got a lot of

26:21

reactions, including this

26:23

one from the Empire State Building

26:26

with clothes. I am fine. We

26:29

have led to hear from the Sats of Liberty. I

26:31

hope and pray she is well. It's

26:33

one of the reasons I'm happy. Roy,

26:36

you're a survivor. You are one of the

26:38

first to post on social media today. I'd

26:41

like to know around the table, where were

26:43

you in the Great Quake of 2024 hit New York? I

26:46

was on the toilet. But I was on the toilet. Oh

26:48

my God. And so you didn't know that it hit? Oh,

26:50

I knew. I knew. I've never seen

26:52

it in a toilet. But I lived

26:54

in LA for eight years. Exactly.

26:59

Everybody in Los Angeles is laughing at us. And I think

27:01

that New Yorkers need to understand at some point you can't

27:03

just make everything go, oh my God, because you lose that

27:05

New York grit. The whole point is that we can survive

27:07

anything. Well, just shake off 4.8. Why are you on Twitter

27:10

crying? Here, Quincy, did you shake it off? I didn't even

27:12

feel it to shake it off. I haven't heard it in

27:14

like a minute. No, it's just too small. I haven't heard it

27:16

before. It's too low to the ground. Like, I'm not going to

27:18

cry for two. Like, we don't have to. I'm not going to cry

27:20

for two. I'm not going to cry for two. I'm not going to

27:23

cry for two. It's just too low to the ground. Like, everybody's five-two.

27:25

Like, we don't feel anything because it doesn't move. I mean,

27:28

I'm sitting in the morning, Joe opposite. And I knew

27:30

it happened because there's TVs everywhere. And I'm like, oh,

27:32

there's an earthquake. Oh, here in New Jersey. You and

27:34

I are too short to know it hit. Isn't

27:36

that physics? Where were you, brother? I was shaving.

27:39

And I saw a mirror shaking in front

27:41

of me. It's always a full deal. Okay,

27:44

it's always a full deal. And my

27:47

first thought, because I'm a man of a certain age,

27:49

is because I was doing laundry. I thought the towels.

27:51

You were shaving and I'm doing laundry at the same time.

27:53

Yeah, you could do the both. I got it. I'm

27:55

not scrubbing. You know when you put

27:57

the towels in and they... But

28:00

I have a front loading machine, so it couldn't have been

28:02

that. But that was how I put through so much. But

28:05

I thought I put it into the dryer. I

28:07

did everything except think it was an earthquake. Then

28:10

I thought, is there a subway line running out of my house? What's going

28:12

on? Truck, subway, laundry,

28:14

that's what I thought. It didn't feel

28:16

earthquake-y to me. And you were walking down the street, didn't feel

28:18

a thing. Did immediately walk onto

28:20

Twitter to see what was Eric Adams

28:22

going to respond with. Which was weird. I

28:24

haven't seen this response. No, no. All the proposed

28:27

responses were fantastic. You're going to send the cops

28:29

to the core of the earth? It's

28:32

because people are evading you, paying their fares on the

28:34

subway. But go to the Gracie Mansion, you're going to

28:36

haunt us. Well, here's the

28:38

good news. Everyone has

28:41

survived, and everyone is staying right

28:43

here to tell us their MVPs of the week.

28:45

But before that, punished silence

28:47

disappeared. The rise of cancel culture, and

28:49

what happens when it goes too far?

28:52

Median and nightcap regular. Our dear friend

28:54

Judy Gold weighs in when the 11th

28:57

hour nightcap continues. How

29:09

would I define cancel culture?

29:13

Um... Sorry,

29:16

I need this idea. When

29:22

people talk about canceling cancel culture, I

29:24

don't hear a clear, understood,

29:27

or shared meaning. Well, there's 20

29:29

different definitions, right? That's part of

29:31

the problem. What

29:35

is cancel culture? We all

29:37

hear about it all the time. But

29:39

if you can just heard from

29:41

some theoretical experts, when it really

29:44

comes down to it, it's hard

29:46

to define. But do not worry,

29:48

MSNBC is exploring the social phenomenon

29:50

in a new phenomenal documentary, Canceled,

29:52

the Story of Cancel Culture. It

29:54

premieres this Sunday at 9 p.m.

29:56

Eastern, of course here on MSNBC.

30:00

My dear friend Judy Gold joins me now.

30:02

She is featured in Canceled and of

30:04

course is a comedian, actor and author

30:06

of Yes, I Can Say That. When

30:08

they come for the comedians, we are

30:10

all in trouble. Judy, I'm so glad

30:12

you got involved in this project because

30:14

you and I have talked about this

30:17

many times. Yeah. Where do you come

30:19

out? How do you define cancel culture?

30:21

Well, I believe in free speech and

30:23

all speech, I think that you

30:25

should be able to say, I mean, we live in

30:27

the United States of America. We should be able to

30:29

say whatever we want and you'll

30:32

have to suffer the consequences of

30:34

what you say. And that's just the way

30:36

it is because you cannot,

30:39

who decides what

30:42

speech is appropriate? But what does

30:44

that mean? You have to suffer

30:46

the consequences of what you

30:48

say because cancel culture has often been, okay,

30:50

we don't like what you said. We don't

30:52

like what you did. You're banished forever, right?

30:55

People just don't get called out. Right. They

30:57

get removed. That is beyond ridiculous.

31:00

I mean, if we took it

31:02

just in comedy, you

31:04

know, think about it. When someone is on

31:06

trial for murder, their sentence

31:08

is determined by their intent. What were

31:11

they thinking? Did they really want to

31:13

commit this murder? When you tell a

31:15

joke, you have an intent.

31:17

You have, this is what I'm

31:19

trying to say, but someone could

31:21

take it the wrong way and then decide you

31:24

should never be able to tell that joke again. We

31:27

have, in this country, we have

31:29

gotten rid of nuance. We've

31:31

gotten rid of context, especially on social

31:33

media and intent. And

31:37

it's really, really

31:39

dangerous. How complicated is it when

31:42

you put it through the prism

31:44

of comedy? Because some

31:46

people say, man, people are being too

31:48

sensitive. And sort of the nature of

31:51

comedy is to push boundaries. Exactly. To

31:53

make people feel uncomfortable. And all the

31:55

time we talk about shows, movies, programs

31:57

that we've loved over the years. Right,

32:00

things as basic and as PG,

32:02

as programs like The Office, right?

32:04

And you'll say, oh, couldn't make

32:06

that today. Right, right. But you

32:08

couldn't. Where do we feel that? You

32:11

couldn't. You couldn't make All in the Family. You couldn't make

32:13

Maud. Some of

32:15

the most iconic American shows that

32:18

changed the conversation.

32:22

The fact is that we're not having the

32:24

conversations. There's less discourse.

32:29

It's not facilitating any

32:31

kind of evolution. I mean, you look

32:33

at all right, I know you're going

32:36

to get mad, but I mean, some people

32:38

look at the Republicans, OK, who

32:40

I love doing. OK,

32:43

they they

32:46

are against council culture. That's

32:49

all they talk about. And yet they're banning

32:51

books. They're

32:53

banning. But how hypocritical is

32:56

that? You're banning

32:58

books. You're telling people what

33:00

they can talk about in

33:02

their classrooms. A

33:04

teacher can't say my my

33:07

husband, my wife, if they're gay.

33:10

What is this? That

33:13

is it's mind boggling. But

33:15

at the same time, celebrities

33:17

or CEOs or people who have gotten

33:19

canceled, the far right has now kind

33:22

of made them heroes and celebrities. Right.

33:25

But have they really gotten canceled? That's the thing.

33:28

Who's really gotten canceled? OK, is there anyone that has

33:30

been canceled that you think it wasn't fair that

33:32

we should bring them on back? No, there's

33:34

people that we should. No,

33:39

I don't think people are right here. But

33:41

isn't that the issue? Right. That

33:44

there's people we don't like and we're like,

33:46

cancel them. Right. So but

33:48

I don't believe that I believe let

33:50

them continue on and they'll get they'll

33:53

suffer the consequences. I mean, look,

33:55

they're not funny. The

33:58

audience won't show up. Well, they're These

34:00

people all have fans. There's

34:03

different styles of comedy. You

34:05

have to realize, stand up comedy. This is

34:08

the interesting thing. First of all, George

34:10

Carlin said, I'd like to find out

34:12

where the line is, cross it

34:14

deliberately, and then make the audience glad

34:16

that I did. But most comedians do

34:18

not know where the line is until

34:21

they are in front of the audience

34:24

trying out their material. It is

34:26

the only art form where the

34:29

audience is part, a significant

34:31

part, of the creative process.

34:34

So we're trying to

34:36

find the line. We're taking a

34:38

risk. We're talking about something. And

34:41

yet the audience is saying, uh-uh. But

34:43

we don't know that until we get

34:45

in front of the audience. George Carlin's

34:47

the perfect example. His material from 20,

34:49

25 years ago that

34:51

seemed crazy at the time has

34:54

played out word for word. Right,

34:56

right. And it's so relevant today.

34:58

I mean, he is, go

35:01

on social media. And that's the other problem.

35:03

We have the social media where people have

35:05

a soapbox that don't deserve a soapbox.

35:08

Things are taken out of context. And it was like,

35:10

you know, your uncle who said the crazy stuff and

35:13

used to be like, ugh, just go in the basement. Now

35:15

that person goes in the basement, gets

35:17

online and finds 10,000 people who agree with

35:19

them. But do you feel like you can't

35:21

fully voice your opinion because people have put

35:23

you in a category and you

35:25

can't say X or you can't say Y and

35:27

that's limiting the discourse that we

35:30

should have. I

35:32

am at an

35:34

age where I don't care anymore. I

35:36

think- Hold on, hold on. Was there ever an age

35:38

when you did? That's true. I've

35:40

been a fan for a long time. Was

35:42

there ever an age when you cared? I

35:45

just want to tell the truth. I think

35:47

comedians are truth tellers and

35:49

brutally honest. And if you're going

35:51

to talk about a subversive topic, then

35:54

make a great joke. Make

35:56

sure the joke is funny. Don't

35:58

be lazy, you know? But

36:01

yes, I am fearless,

36:03

but there are comedians coming up and

36:05

there are clubs that are saying, listen,

36:07

if you talk about this, you can't

36:09

work in our club. That's ridiculous. Judy,

36:13

you are fearless and you are fabulous.

36:15

Oh, thank you. And I'm so glad you're here.

36:17

Oh, thank you for having me. Great to see

36:19

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nightcap is here and it is time for my favorite

37:39

part of the program. They're MVPs of the

37:41

week. The person doesn't have to

37:43

have the best week, but they certainly

37:45

needed to have a big one. Who

37:47

do you pick, Madame Vitale? I'm picking

37:49

the Princess of Genovia herself and half

37:51

the way all of my millennials

37:53

are watching. When she said the

37:55

Princess of Genovia, I know who that was. Do

37:57

any of you know what that means? Thank you.

38:00

Thank you. We know that, I'm not a

38:02

cop. We know your picture. So you missed and I'm sorry for

38:04

it. Julie

38:06

Andrews, Anne Hathaway. That is

38:09

now what you need to be watching in

38:11

prep for your show tomorrow. Okay,

38:14

Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway, I think

38:16

this woman is just in her era

38:18

of being herself, knowing herself. We love

38:21

someone who can go and do an

38:23

amazing cover where she looks almost villain-esque.

38:25

Vogue. I know

38:27

that she knows herself and she

38:29

knows that she is not a villain and she

38:31

will self-advocate and she will dance at parties and

38:33

just have fun and look fabulous doing it. So

38:35

I'm in my Anne Hathaway era. I really love

38:37

her and forever are queen of our princess. She's

38:39

not just on the cover of Vogue because she's

38:41

a beautiful, brilliant actress. No. She's

38:44

an all-around badass. She's there to know herself and

38:46

speak to the fact that she can both self-advocate

38:48

and also not be a bad person who is

38:50

villainized for that in Hollywood, as we've seen so

38:52

many times. A bad

38:54

bitch and a bad person are not the same

38:56

thing. I love that. I love that. Roy.

39:00

My MVP of the week is

39:02

Angel Reiss from Louisiana State University.

39:05

They had a good week, not the best

39:07

week because they lost to Caitlin Clark, but

39:09

she's going to go to the NBA draft.

39:11

But I think more importantly, the issues with

39:13

regards to online harassment of Angel and not

39:15

only that, but her teammate, Thrajae Johnson, coming

39:18

out and defending her and helping to start

39:20

a conversation about the specificity of difference in

39:22

the idea of, oh, you want to

39:24

hate on an athlete because they lost or they

39:27

won. Okay, fine. But when you start

39:29

getting into higher levels of harassment and

39:31

I won't even get into the ...

39:34

The fact that she was able to handle that

39:36

with poise and set an example for so many

39:38

of the young women, her aunt, Thrajae, I think

39:40

that's going ... That level of character is going

39:42

to carry right over to the next level. And

39:45

the fact that it also showed us that there's so many

39:47

people willing to speak out and defend the young woman in

39:49

that moment. Do you think people should

39:51

be apologetic or ashamed? Do you

39:53

think those two women speaking this

39:55

week in any way caused an

39:58

industry, right? At

40:01

large to say how we covered this young

40:03

woman What have we said about her

40:05

difference between you lost and you're sad

40:07

because you're lost and versus I'm sad

40:09

because I know That you are going

40:11

to harass me and it

40:14

is frustrating and it is driving me up the

40:16

wall And it is starting to break me those

40:18

that that part of the game cannot be allowed

40:20

and for a 21 year old woman I

40:23

think for any woman especially for one

40:25

that's Just young In

40:28

the public eye. Yes, Amanda So

40:31

the organization I ran runs or something has

40:34

a bunch of candidates up in elections this

40:36

week We worked with this young woman 27

40:38

year old Kelly Leibold who was a brain

40:40

cancer survivor and community activist who was running

40:42

for the Cross County Board in Wisconsin and

40:45

she ran and beat in a Landslide this

40:47

guy Bill Fihan who was the former County

40:49

Republican chair was one of the fake Trump

40:51

electors Election denier who refused

40:53

to admit that Biden won the election

40:55

fairly in 2020 until a lawsuit forced

40:57

him to She was able to keep him

40:59

out of power little win big win

41:02

for democracy. I love that

41:04

beautiful The

41:06

bar is high. Mr. Velshi. I'm gonna

41:08

draft off of Amanda the place called

41:10

Enid In Oklahoma

41:12

town called Enid. Okay Educate

41:14

us. The my MVP is Connie

41:16

Vickers and something called the Enid

41:19

Social Justice Committee, which Figured

41:21

out that a guy in their City Council We've

41:24

been there since 2013 had been

41:26

part of the Charlottesville Rollin

41:29

he was a Participant

41:31

he was no Astride

41:34

these guys and so Enid

41:36

and folks Started a

41:39

petition to get rid of this guy. They

41:41

had a recall an election and this

41:43

week It was on Tuesday night and they

41:45

won and and this guy named judge Blevins

41:48

is now no longer a member of the

41:50

city Council in in Enid Oklahoma and look

41:52

small matter to nobody knew who he was

41:54

in the first place But this is how

41:56

you change things, right? If this group

41:58

of people Connie Vickers and that group people changed

42:00

things in their city and made people realize

42:02

we don't want to be associated with this

42:04

stuff. Now that would happen in the

42:07

stuff that you do happens in little places

42:09

across America. That's how we save democracy. That's

42:11

right. That is extraordinary. All right. My

42:14

MVP is someone I have

42:16

always looked up to. I'm guessing everyone

42:18

at this table does, especially this week

42:20

after absolute tragedy. It is Jose

42:23

Andres. His world central kitchen

42:25

lost seven aid workers in Gaza

42:27

after an Israeli airstrike. One

42:29

of them was a man named Damien Sobel.

42:31

He is my other MVP. Damien

42:34

worked in the same kitchen I did when

42:36

I was in Chemsh, Poland, when I volunteered

42:38

with world central kitchen a few years ago.

42:40

It is always a tragedy for

42:43

loss of life, but it is

42:45

so important to understand the kind

42:47

of work that this man,

42:49

Damien and many others continue to

42:51

do. They are running to some

42:53

of the most dangerous places in

42:55

the world to provide

42:57

aid, food and relief to people

43:00

in the most desperate and tragic

43:02

situations. The people who

43:04

lost their lives are simply the

43:06

best of humanity. So to

43:09

Damien, to those with him and to

43:11

Jose Andres and the entire world central

43:13

kitchen family, my deepest

43:15

gratitude and condolences. This is

43:18

just a truly tragic story

43:20

and we've got to get better or

43:23

did not mean to end the nightcap like that. Roy, can you

43:25

tell us a joke? That's

43:27

really, that's real. I am

43:29

sorry. Allie, Amanda, Roy, Allie,

43:32

again, the problem

43:34

you must face on the internet, I receive all

43:37

my love. Yeah, I do. I get a lot

43:39

of your hair looks

43:45

amazing.

43:47

Thank you all so, so much. And thank you

43:49

all for watching. On that note, I wish you

43:51

a safe and great night. Remember,

43:53

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43:55

and most Saturdays, 11 PM Eastern here

43:58

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