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500 trajectories

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talking the 500 until the end one

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month from the day I first

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met you your

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promises prove to be

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untrue so

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step by step

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I've been a fool and

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I'm just two steps from

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the blue That

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song was by Bobby Blue Bland from the

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1961 record Two Steps from the Blues.

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It's also number 217 out of 500 on the 500

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reported on February twenty second. You.

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Liked this were just and. Ah,

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Yeah, listen to yesterday. actually you know

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for him for it, me or record.

4:52

I've never heard anything about nothing nothing

4:54

about this dude. I've never heard of

4:56

this guy. Or know who he

4:59

is. I love his name. That simple be

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is are they call them know. What

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now fullest started list started as the turbo

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me to obey when I was more excited

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than anything was just the fact that will

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be getting said. He while back on here

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for one more how yeah one more in

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in the span of I have I think

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it's a months and I don't know which

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one came out first. Blog: Professor Longhair Sas

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M Day Spa be a little bit on

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the list. Yeah. Yeah,

5:26

just a couple episodes. So does

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the tenth periods. By. Said he

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was double digit Nine Double digit Nice.

5:33

Nice. I mean you know you get

5:35

from Matt. a hoodie is so

5:38

funny or personally a member of the

5:40

base or housing dust and your class

5:42

and yeah i mean they're gonna unease

5:44

who's stronger great oldies i mean jeremiah

5:46

us has spend so much money have

5:48

made too much money i lost a

5:50

lot of money every time i see

5:52

be born the road they're like i

5:54

love the bad guys and would you

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do and i'm a university on now

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I'm like, okay, well, maybe you should, because

6:02

we have no money. But all on

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hoodies. We are literally scraping by and

6:06

sent me 50 of them that

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literally do weight. And I swear to God, like he sent

6:12

them to me. And then it was

6:14

like a box of like 25 hoodies

6:16

and t-shirts. I'm

6:19

one man. And

6:22

he sent me triple X. He sent me

6:24

jelly roll sizes where I'm like, what am

6:26

I going to do with this? I don't

6:28

know anybody that's pre-diabetic. You do now. I'm

6:30

pre-diabetic. Are you really? Oh yeah. Yeah. Been

6:32

that way for a while. I'm very close, very

6:35

close, but I'm not there yet. I'm not diabetic

6:37

yet, but you know. Well, you know what it

6:39

is. You know what it is. It's you're going

6:41

to fucking yard house and ordering flatbreads. I

6:43

get it. I know why it is. It's my

6:45

diet. Flatbread. You

6:48

live off flatbread. Flatbread is amazing. I

6:50

ordered the pizza. I ordered the pizza

6:52

there. That's not the flatbread. That's

6:54

a big, the pizza is a flatbread.

6:57

Very underwhelming. I like Domino's

6:59

pizza. So for me to be loose

7:01

on a pizza is not good. Yeah,

7:03

you definitely are from Florida. Yeah. You

7:05

are from, that's the most Florida thing

7:07

ever. Oh yeah. Florida. Something,

7:10

here's something that we can do besides talk

7:12

about Bobby Blue Bland today. I got sent

7:14

my nominee ballot for

7:17

the new Rock and

7:19

Roll Hall of Fame. So we can go

7:21

over it. We can figure out. Let's do

7:23

it. Yeah, because I don't think there's so

7:25

much about Bobby Blue Bland that we can

7:27

talk about. He's in the Rock and Roll

7:29

Hall of Fame. He's already in.

7:31

You don't have to nominate him. He's already

7:33

in. Well, why don't you tell me? Because

7:35

I, this is another guy that's off the

7:37

beaten path. And I mean,

7:40

I was like, I don't know. Emily

7:42

could find no one. You're the guy,

7:44

you're the guy that, when we can

7:46

find no one, there's better than. That's

7:48

not true for all of them. When

7:50

no one knows the artist, there's one

7:52

man that will come out of the

7:54

woodwork. Petterman

7:58

from Mid-City Los Angeles. Writer

8:02

by day, instructor at USC

8:04

by night. Pete

8:07

Missel, Pete Meravich, historian,

8:11

all-around guy. I've

8:15

always been that even when I was a kid, I was

8:17

like that. Like what? I liked old stuff when I was

8:19

a kid, like stuff in the 40s and 30s. I

8:22

was really into it. I don't know what that is about

8:24

me but I mean, I like what's going on

8:26

now. Can we do Kendrick

8:28

Lamar? Bring me on. Let's do

8:30

it. I'm setting up on Kendrick.

8:32

Yeah, dude. I feel like we

8:34

need a black person. That's without

8:36

a doubt, dude. Why?

8:39

Bobby Blueblatt is black. Yeah, but yeah. All

8:42

right. You know, you're right. You're making

8:44

a great point. You're making a great point. You're making a

8:46

good point. Professor Long hair is black.

8:49

I don't think. Oh, I guess any

8:51

black guy that's living, I got it.

8:53

I got this. Let's jump

8:55

to the end of this and find out

8:57

is this on the 2020 re-rank because then

9:00

if it's on the 2020 re-rank, we need a black

9:02

person. If it's not white person because this list was

9:05

made by white people. So is

9:07

this on the 2020 re-rank? We're

9:10

going straight to the back ass of

9:12

the podcast. This album did not make

9:14

the cut on the 2020 re-rank. So

9:18

yeah, you guys are weird for sure. I'm

9:22

still loving that you left stuff from the 20s and the

9:24

30s because that made me think it's like, all right, I

9:26

got my big gig. I'm doing my album recording tonight. Let

9:28

me put some music on to pump me up. That's

9:45

Glenn Miller. Yeah, I think it's from 39 or 40. So

9:48

I'm more into 20s. I

9:50

don't like this new stuff that Glenn Miller is doing. Ink

9:53

spots. You know the ink spots? Horse. I

9:56

love them. I love the ink spots. You

9:58

know. I didn't care.

10:00

Oh, that's not bad. That's pretty good. Yeah.

10:04

Take us through triple B, dude,

10:06

because, you know, as

10:08

we know, Josh doesn't know diddly squat.

10:15

No, I think you're gonna like, again, this

10:17

is just before we bring in Stormy Monday,

10:20

Bobby Blubland is a transitional,

10:22

very influential figure in the

10:24

history of pop and rock

10:26

music in particular and was

10:28

the guy that went from

10:30

R&B added, there was a

10:32

number of people that did

10:34

it, but it was one

10:36

of those who added the

10:38

church, added the gospel, the

10:40

good word that Jesus is

10:42

here, added that slavery, the good

10:45

word, the good word, the good word and

10:49

some music. And there was a number of them

10:52

that led to what we

10:54

call soul music of the 70s and

10:56

stuff like that. There were

10:58

a number of them, but he was one

11:00

of the ones definitely that merged those two.

11:03

So we're going to church today. Let's

11:05

start with some Stormy Monday because- We're going

11:07

to church. I love that you said that.

11:09

Definitely going to church today. I love that

11:12

you said that this has became soul of

11:14

the 60s. Yes. This

11:16

became- 70s. Yep. Became

11:19

soul music. This is a very soulful record. I

11:21

would have never called this blues at all. I

11:24

didn't think it was blues. It was bluesy, but

11:26

there was something about it that was so different.

11:28

I think it was more R&B. Oh,

11:31

it's definitely R&B, but it's a

11:33

combination of blues, R&B and

11:35

gospel is definitely what's going on here.

11:38

There's a number of guys that are

11:40

doing that. Ray Charles is the

11:42

most famous. I'm sure you know that name. Aretha

11:45

Franklin, we're going to talk about

11:47

her and her dad's influence on

11:49

Bobby Blublan later on today. Of

11:51

course, the king of it was

11:53

Sam Cooke, who used to sing in a gospel

11:56

group. Then all of

11:58

a sudden was the poster child. of

12:01

crossover like, oh, he's

12:03

gospel. This is black. This is

12:05

you're on race records. You're on

12:07

the R&B charts. You're touring Chitlin

12:10

circuit. You're completely part different than

12:12

what's going on in pop, Patty

12:14

Page, 1950s, mainstream music, Dean Martin

12:16

and all of that stuff. It's

12:18

like a just it's almost two

12:20

different worlds. And then Sam Cooke

12:23

comes along with you send me

12:25

singing in that gospel style and then

12:28

like, oh, we can get white kids

12:30

to buy records and make a lot

12:32

of money and get on the Ed

12:34

Sullivan show and do all of that

12:37

great stuff that Buddy Holly can do

12:39

and stuff. So this he's one of

12:41

these guys, unfortunately, I don't think he

12:43

was ever on the Ed Sullivan show

12:45

Bobby Blue Bland. He was always siloed

12:48

into the R&B market. Are you old

12:50

enough to remember a guy named Teddy

12:52

Pedendergrass? Yeah, of course. I mean, I

12:54

wouldn't be able to tell you a

12:56

song right off the jump, but I

12:58

know he is. Yeah, Teddy Pendergrass was

13:00

a soul. But again, this whole career

13:02

is siloed into R&B music and was

13:04

very famous for playing, you know, black

13:06

club, black audiences. Some when

13:08

he was with Melvin and the Blue

13:11

Notes, we had some crossover, but mainly

13:13

like that. And that's what Bobby Blue

13:15

Bland is. But he's very influential, especially

13:18

you as a singer. There's two things

13:20

he did that actually is

13:23

incredible to what you were just talking about

13:25

today because you're about to have throat surgery,

13:27

right? What are they going to do? What

13:29

are they going to do? Scrape them

13:32

off, make them fresh. And

13:35

I think he's gonna shave down my epiglottis

13:37

or it's a whole bunch of shit. Plus,

13:39

I think I'm getting my nose fixed too. I'm getting my

13:41

deviated septum. This is gonna be a mess, bro. I'm gonna

13:43

be like, all like

13:45

stuffed and puffed. You have a deviated

13:48

septum? Yeah. Do you have to wear

13:50

a CPAC? No, I, you know, it's

13:52

crazy. So no, I would

13:54

have bet money that I sleep apnea because

13:56

I've woken up in the middle of the

13:58

night thinking. I'm dying. Yeah. Millions of times.

14:01

Like where I'm like this is the big

14:03

heart attack. Because that's what I, that's, that's

14:05

what's going to take me out. I'm not

14:07

going to die from an overdose. I'm not

14:09

going to die from this. I'm going to

14:11

die from a massive heart attack. Hopefully

14:14

not in public. God, that would suck. Oh man,

14:16

what an embarrassing way to die just to be

14:18

like an Outback Steakhouse. No. Oh

14:20

God. Everybody's like all the servers run

14:23

up in those weird, you know, blue

14:25

colored t-shirts with the sleeves rolled up

14:27

with like a neon color underneath. They're

14:29

putting down their fucking, their blooming onions

14:31

to help me with the defibrillator that's

14:33

by the bathroom and never

14:35

been taken off. So God only knows if

14:37

it works. They have a defibrillator at Outback?

14:40

There's a defibrillator everywhere. You know, it's like

14:42

they have to have one. They have to

14:44

have a heart defibrillator at every place. Gyms,

14:46

restaurants, malls, like

14:49

they're everywhere. Cause like, dude, people drop

14:51

dead. People drop dead all the time.

14:53

What were we talking about? Massive heart attack.

14:55

No, no, no. We were talking about throats

14:58

and singing styles. This is why

15:00

I think Bobby Blubland is almost

15:02

even more than Professor Longhair, like

15:04

the guy for you, because

15:08

he had duality in his singing voice

15:10

in that he could sing velvety,

15:14

smooth, beautiful. He could

15:16

do like Sam Cooke. Yeah. Perfect

15:18

example of that. Yeah. He could

15:20

do all of that, but also

15:22

he had something called, he called

15:24

it the squall and where

15:27

he would do like

15:29

very guttural. We'll listen

15:31

to a couple of tracks. It's on Ipity

15:33

the Fool, obviously. Very

15:35

guttural sounds. What

15:37

happened was he used to sing in a

15:39

high voice and then he had throat surgery,

15:41

had his tonsils out and suddenly couldn't hit

15:43

any of the high notes. And then he's

15:46

like, okay, my singing career is over. And

15:48

by the way, he's a third grade dropout,

15:50

but barely read Bobby Blubland. But then he

15:52

realized if he turned his head a certain

15:54

way, he could cut off the air to

15:56

his throat and it would go like

15:59

that. That became part of his sound.

16:01

So it was a combination of

16:03

this growl, gruff, he called it

16:05

a squall. I think the

16:08

preacher that he stole this from

16:10

called it something else and then

16:12

he could also sing in the

16:14

most beautiful like like Nat King

16:16

Cole style, Billy Eckstine, beautiful voice

16:18

singing. And so I

16:20

feel like you're part of that tradition

16:23

of like you can sing beautifully and

16:25

then you can rock it out with

16:27

obviously the best of them, right? I

16:29

hope, I think so. I mean, it's

16:31

there's moments. Sometimes if it feels

16:34

like even this, like you were saying, like my

16:36

voice because we're recording is at, you know, 9am

16:38

Pacific time and you were like, there could be

16:40

some, there could be some blah and my voice.

16:42

Yeah. And you sound great.

16:44

This is unclear. But I mean, I'll get bluck all

16:46

the time. So no, but he

16:48

wanted it. He he realized this was

16:51

going to be part of his style.

16:53

So it was that combination touring the

16:55

Chitlin circuit, R&B circuit all during the

16:57

50s. Yeah. Yeah.

17:01

Women loved him. Just

17:03

like they love Teddy Pedegras. And

17:05

so a lot of his songs are like kind

17:07

of aimed towards women. And

17:10

the reason we're talking about the reason

17:12

right now, like, why are we talking

17:14

about this guy is because of the

17:16

influence he had on other singers, notably

17:18

Van Morrison in Belfast, Ireland. They would

17:20

hear Americans would come over with these

17:22

records and he'd listen to it. And

17:24

that's how he heard Bobby Blue Bland

17:26

and Blue is Mine. By the way,

17:28

towards the end of his life, Bobby

17:30

Blue Bland toured, he chose with Van

17:33

Morrison. So any of these these guys

17:35

that were like from overseas, the Paul

17:37

Butterfield Blues bands, they would listen to

17:39

him and like, oh, okay, this is

17:42

a specific kind of blues. It's a

17:44

little more lush than the kind of

17:46

blues that influenced the Rolling Stones, which

17:49

was like Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf, you

17:51

know those guys, of course. Yeah, right.

17:54

Yeah, yeah. It was different. It

17:56

was more lush with these

17:58

big band arrangements. by this

18:00

guy Joe Scott and it was just

18:02

a again, this is all music as

18:05

I keep living is just like people

18:07

come along they hear something they add

18:10

their own version to it and then

18:12

you get this new thing and next

18:14

thing you know. The Rolling Stones they

18:16

were just a blues band that loves

18:18

Chicago blues and this is more Memphis

18:21

blues. There's a little difference in Chicago.

18:23

What's the difference? Memphis was a little more

18:26

was again further

18:28

down the Delta so it

18:31

was a little more for him certainly

18:33

a little more like I said big

18:35

band arrangements with call and response with

18:37

the big band section as opposed to

18:39

just straight on guitar and he was

18:41

part of something called this Beale Street

18:43

group that happened you know, I don't

18:45

know if you've been to Memphis. It's

18:47

like a majority black city. It's like

18:49

one of the few. I remember when

18:52

I was starting the tour last year

18:54

and I was flying into Memphis because

18:56

we were doing something in Mississippi. I

18:58

remember I met some guy in the

19:00

Delta Sky Lounge because our flight was delayed and he was

19:02

like, hey you're going to Memphis? I was like, yeah I'm staying

19:04

here. He goes, don't

19:07

venture off man and that happened to

19:09

the band too because Joel was the

19:11

king of like renting airbnbs that are

19:13

like cheap and the Uber driver that

19:15

picked them up in the airport was

19:17

like, I'm going to park out front

19:19

to make sure you guys make it

19:21

in. Right. Right. Yeah,

19:24

there's definitely some sketchy sections in Memphis. My

19:26

point about Memphis and the Mississippi Delta and

19:28

all of that it's interesting you flew on

19:30

Delta Airlines because that's where the

19:32

Mississippi Delta is and it was

19:34

a real scene in the late

19:37

40s with BB King, Bobby Blue Bland,

19:39

a guy named Junior Parker and a

19:41

guy named Johnny Ace and a couple

19:43

others who would back up other musicians

19:45

and it became a real scene and

19:48

until the day he died, BB King

19:50

was always like, I know Chicago gets

19:53

the reputation of being that's where the Blues

19:55

are from and that's where the authentic. He

19:57

goes, but what we were doing in Memphis

19:59

before. for muddy waters and all of those

20:01

guys up there was the real blues. And

20:04

so it was really interesting. But Chicago

20:06

kind of like because of what happened

20:08

in that, do you know about the

20:10

great migration like a lot of black

20:13

people in the 20s and 30s started

20:15

moving up from the south to the

20:17

north to get jobs in Detroit and

20:19

Chicago and places like that. And so

20:21

that's why Motown is from Detroit. That's

20:23

why you have big chess records in

20:25

Chicago and then Atlantic Records is in

20:27

New York. It's like they all started

20:30

like, okay, now we

20:32

can create our own music without having

20:34

to worry about, you know, the KKK

20:36

or anything like that. So is the

20:38

real aside from Sun Records, is

20:41

there anything, is it all black

20:43

people in Memphis in music?

20:46

No, of course. What are you

20:49

talking about? Yeah, Columbia was sort

20:51

of considered the biggest label and

20:53

that was considered the whitest label.

20:56

And also if you signed

20:58

with Columbia Records, you also

21:00

had CBS television that

21:03

would play their artist. So that's

21:05

the Ed Sullivan show is CBS.

21:07

There was like sort of a little

21:10

vertical integration. Anyway,

21:13

Columbia is one of their main

21:15

scouts was this guy, John Hammond,

21:17

who ended up signing Aretha Franklin

21:19

when she first came out late

21:22

before the respect, before all those

21:25

things. So he did have African

21:27

American talent on Columbia. And also,

21:29

can I also say I feel

21:31

like Capitol Records was built and Nat King

21:33

Cole, you know what I mean? Mainstreamy

21:35

kind of acts. Mainstreamy kind of

21:38

acts. Yeah. All right. So

21:40

back to Bobby Blublant. Yes. So

21:42

he's running around Beale Street in Memphis. Is

21:45

he popular? Is it just like taking over?

21:48

All of these guys want to do is record.

21:51

They're digging musicians. They're probably making five

21:53

bucks a night. You know, that

21:55

kind of thing. And all of them

21:57

want to record. And unfortunately, Beale Street is a big

21:59

part of the show. because they're like, oh,

22:01

they're playing black rhythm and blues like no

22:03

one cares about it. You

22:05

know, they're like it's, again, siloed

22:08

off into this community. But

22:10

there is unfortunately this record label

22:12

out of Houston called Duke Records

22:15

and Duke Records eventually signed him.

22:18

I think Bobby did record a

22:20

track or two for Chess, maybe

22:22

even did a cut for Sam

22:24

Phillips over at Sun Records. I

22:26

see, uh, A.C. Turner was the

22:28

one, he was a talent scout at the

22:30

time, recorded Bland from

22:33

Modern Records at Tuff Green's

22:35

house in Memphis in 51. That's

22:38

10 years before this album. Yeah, that's early.

22:40

That's early. But that didn't,

22:42

those records didn't ever took off, right?

22:44

No, nothing happened with it. And then

22:47

it says 51 to 52, Bland recorded

22:49

commercially unsuccessful singles from Modern and Sun

22:51

Records, which licensed the

22:53

recordings to Chess. Okay, okay. So,

22:56

yeah, so he's kicking around and then

22:58

he signs with this label

23:00

called Duke Records out of Houston. Fucking

23:03

Duke. I believe the guy's name is

23:05

Don Roby. Fucking Don. Don

23:07

was one of these guys and it's an

23:09

interesting, I would love to hear your thoughts on

23:11

this. All right, what do we got? Well, he

23:13

was one of these guys that you would

23:16

sign, you know, again, Bobby Blueblanc couldn't

23:18

barely, could barely read, got a terrible,

23:20

you know, half a cent royalty. I

23:22

believe two cents was the norm back

23:25

then per record, but Don would take

23:27

all the publishing and put his name

23:29

as a co-writer of the song. So

23:32

Don Roby, his name is on like

23:34

over like a thousand records from that

23:36

time. But he would pay people, he

23:39

would give them like 50 bucks and

23:41

record them. And so they did

23:43

get on the air. They were able to gain

23:45

some momentum in a

23:48

Rhythm and Blues circuit. And

23:50

I was like, ah, these fucking

23:52

guys that would just rip off

23:54

these artists so badly. But

23:57

I saw an interview with BB King,

23:59

who's part of this Beale Street. a,

24:01

you know, gang down there of musicians.

24:03

And he said, he goes, look, no

24:05

one will record me. No one

24:07

would record me. Don Roby would. And

24:10

he was like, to tell you the truth, I

24:12

would have paid him to record me. So I

24:14

didn't care at all. And I was like, oh,

24:16

so what do you think about that? Is somebody

24:18

who's in the music business, like somebody who just

24:20

absolutely rips off these guys but does,

24:23

in a way, undergird their career. Yeah.

24:25

I was talking to a comedian

24:28

about doing this tour. And like the first

24:30

time he did it, it was like barely

24:32

paid, but they paid for his expenses. And

24:35

then the next year, you know, but he got exposure. And then

24:37

the next year they were like, all right, we want to have

24:39

you back, but we don't have the same amount of money. And

24:42

he was like, he's like, okay, well, I still want to do

24:44

it. And they were like, okay. And they came back and there

24:46

was like, it's even less money than the tour expenses. And

24:48

he was like, okay, but I still want to do it. And then

24:50

they came back and they were like, okay, so now it's no

24:53

money. It's just the tour expenses. And

24:55

they're giving him every opportunity to be like, no,

24:57

but he's just like, nope, the exposure, like I'll

25:00

do it. And then it came back with

25:02

one of the bands, like, yeah, we really, they don't think we

25:04

need a comedian on the thing. And so they just, they didn't

25:06

bring them. But it's that kind of

25:08

thing is like, is what we'll do for exposure.

25:10

We'll take less money. It's the

25:12

same thing with the jelly thing. Like if he offered

25:15

me this time, he goes, I'll give you half the

25:17

money, but I'll pay for all your tour. I'd be

25:19

like, oh, yeah, you just want to do it for

25:21

the exposure, for the followers, for the, for whatever.

25:23

And in this situation, there's what, like, you

25:25

know, eight radio stations, I'm assuming. It's just

25:27

like, there's no TV. And there's what, like

25:29

three stations at the most. So it's any

25:32

way you can get your shit out there.

25:34

And like you said, Bobby is fucking illiterate

25:36

and from Memphis, which I'm

25:38

assuming he has and he grew up with no money,

25:40

a little no money. So this guy's like, hey, man,

25:43

I will record you. You'll be able to have records

25:45

and I'll pay you. But he probably didn't even know

25:47

that the guy was ripping them off. Right.

25:50

I don't think so. It was only later, all

25:52

of these guys. They were happy to have the

25:54

recording cut. They felt like, oh, look at me.

25:57

I'm like, you know, Frank Sinatra.

25:59

He is recording. recording contract with Capitol

26:01

and so anyway, I always like

26:03

that's the story of Rock it

26:05

continues with Billy. I mean, it's

26:07

not just like itinerant guys who

26:09

pick cotton when they were you

26:11

know, 10 years old and just

26:13

would do anything to get out

26:15

of the cotton fields. And

26:17

so it's just part of the

26:19

industry is just bizarre. It's really,

26:22

really bizarre. Anyway, but

26:25

the great thing is a couple of hit

26:27

the songs off this album, Two Steps from

26:29

the Blues is that's what it's called. I

26:31

believe that's the album we're talking about today.

26:33

A couple of those songs went

26:36

in one month to number one, one month

26:38

or two on the R&B charts, which again,

26:40

we talked about last time used to be

26:42

called the Harlem charts

26:44

or something like that. And then

26:46

before that the race records, that's

26:48

how they were categorized by billboard

26:50

music. So then eventually that became

26:52

the soul charts. And I think it's

26:54

now is it back to R&B? Like

26:56

what do they do for like rap

26:58

and for raps, raps, rap? That hip

27:00

hop is it called hip hop or

27:02

just rap? Oh, I don't know. It's

27:04

all I don't know. I don't know.

27:07

Anyway, so it's interesting that it's

27:09

still like there's still kind of a race

27:11

divide, not as blatant as it was obviously

27:13

in the 40s and 50s. But it's still

27:15

this is 2024. When it comes to music,

27:19

there's still a divide. It's

27:22

wild. Way less than there used to be.

27:24

Way less than there used to be. When you

27:26

were talking about that guy Don Roby, the guy

27:28

that did the songwriting credits and like have you

27:30

ever had someone do that to you? Have you

27:32

been screwed out of credit for something? That's

27:35

a good question. Not like that. Not like

27:38

that. When I did my comedy album, I

27:40

did it with a company called Special

27:42

Thing Records and they take care

27:45

of my royalties. So because they

27:47

published it. So again, I get

27:49

played on serious. So I'm like

27:52

BB King. Like I don't care.

27:54

I'm like the new BB King. A lot of

27:56

people say that about me, right? Yeah, yeah. No,

27:58

I know. I know. God, it's

28:00

like take half! Half!

28:03

Fucking half! All

28:05

the- yeah, it's- it's- this whole

28:07

world is so unfair, man. The

28:09

artists get screwed, the people in

28:12

charge always make the most amount

28:14

of money, Spotify fucking pays nothing.

28:16

Like, nothing to the artists. But

28:19

you gotta do it, because that's the only way to get

28:21

your music out, because that's what everybody's buying records anymore. Everybody's

28:23

streaming. Does that mean that

28:25

the live performance is like- I think so. Much

28:27

more important, though, for these artists. Like, you're not

28:29

getting paid on stream. Yeah, yeah. Well, comedians can

28:31

tour and make a lot of money. You know,

28:34

if you can sell tickets, I can't.

28:36

I can't. I mean, I could sell tickets if I

28:38

was in the ticket booth and someone said, here's $12

28:40

to go see. Yeah. Comedian, I

28:42

could sell them a ticket. I know how to do

28:44

that, right? I know how to make change, I know

28:46

how to run that credit card

28:48

machine, but I mean, actually, move tickets.

28:51

Okay, guys, I'm- It's early. It's early.

28:53

I'm not gonna be good. I love that.

28:56

Got my funny bone. But anyway,

28:58

again, because I had never heard

29:00

of Bobby Blubland until like

29:02

in the 70s, I think he toured

29:04

with B.B. King and they put out an album

29:06

that did very well and I was like, who is

29:09

this guy? Then later he gets, you know, you

29:12

know, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall

29:14

of Fame and I'd heard of him there

29:16

and I just loved- I love his voice

29:18

and I love those arrangements. I

29:21

just think he's great. I just think he's

29:23

a great singer and interpreter and I like

29:25

how short all of his songs are. Most

29:27

all of his songs are like under three

29:29

minutes and it's just- I

29:32

could listen to him all day. I just

29:34

find him so really,

29:36

really endearing. But again,

29:38

there's a lot of great singers, you know,

29:40

it's not like by the time, you know,

29:42

the Beatles came along, that kind of music

29:44

goes out of fashion anyway and he's back

29:46

to just touring black clubs

29:49

for basically the rest of his

29:51

career. Wow, that's so insane, dude.

29:54

It's like it's so insane that this album, when

29:56

I was listening to it yesterday, I just like

29:58

I was like, wow, like- It

30:00

just flew by in such a loving, I

30:02

mean like I loved it. It wasn't like

30:05

there was not one song on there that

30:07

I actually was like, okay, what is this?

30:09

I loved every little piece of this. I

30:11

loved his voice. I

30:13

heard all those things that you were saying. I

30:16

heard a little bit of Bebe. I heard a

30:18

little bit of Sam Cooke. I heard all the

30:20

contemporaries that he's probably working with or created from

30:22

that. Or if he came before that and then

30:24

just influenced them, I think that's even cooler. But

30:27

did he make money? Yeah, I guess he did

30:29

one. He toured certainly. He had the Bobby

30:31

Blue Bland review it was called and

30:33

he would go out with a couple

30:35

other musicians and maybe an MC and

30:38

they play these Chitlin' Circuit clubs and

30:41

women went nuts for him and guys

30:43

did. But he was mainly like a

30:45

sultry kind of singer. Like Jackie Wilson,

30:47

he would play to the women a

30:49

little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember we

30:51

heard about him at the Lonnie Love

30:53

episode everybody. Yeah, yeah. Fact,

30:55

fact, fact, fact. And then

30:57

all of a sudden there's a new generation of

31:00

blues and gospel style singers that

31:02

sort of replace him that are

31:04

younger. I'm looking at you Otis

31:06

Reddy and James Brown and things like that

31:08

that sort of like James Brown was like,

31:11

okay, I can do R&B. I

31:13

can do gospel. Guess what? I'm

31:15

gonna bring the funk. I'm gonna

31:17

bring the funk and crazy

31:19

over the top showmanship to this thing.

31:21

And then he's sort of, you know,

31:24

eclipsed by those guys. And then next

31:26

thing you know, rock and roll hits

31:28

and the whole industry flips and

31:31

now people listen to the fucking

31:33

birds, you know, and they're listening to

31:35

Herman's Hermit and the Beatles and the

31:37

Stones and all of the, you know,

31:39

British bands and Lulu and he's not

31:42

famous in that regard. It's like he's

31:44

again, I think his biggest selling album

31:46

might have been the one he did

31:48

with BB King but he's not famous

31:50

in that regard. But he is influential

31:52

and important in the history of rock

31:54

and roll. Blues Hall of Fame in

31:56

81, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

31:58

in 92. Memphis

32:01

music 12 received

32:03

Grammy lifetime achievement award in 97. Rock

32:06

and Roll Hall of Fame described him as

32:08

second in stature only to be became as

32:10

a product of Memphis Beale Street Blue Scene

32:12

nominated for seven Grammys. But all in the

32:14

R&B. All in. It's never like album. Hey,

32:17

I mean dude it's but still it's been

32:19

fucking Devo didn't make it in but this

32:21

guy did. You know what I mean? It's

32:23

not like an insult to him or to

32:25

Devo but it's like Soundgarden. Wait, we chewing

32:27

gum the whole time Jeremiah. No,

32:30

no, no, no, no. How dare you Wayne?

32:32

That was not the gum. That was that

32:34

gum. I got yelled at because of last

32:36

time. We have to leave it in now.

32:38

We're definitely leaving the gum. Can

32:41

I say one other thing that I found? Yeah,

32:43

you can say five other things. You can say

32:45

as many as you want Fettie. This is to

32:47

me one of the most fascinating parts of it.

32:50

He's influenced and I kind of don't know the

32:52

name of this record now. Oh

32:54

here it is. Here it is. He's influenced

32:56

in a big way by what he saw

32:58

in the church by this guy

33:00

CL Franklin who was

33:03

this preacher started in Memphis

33:05

then goes to Buffalo ends

33:07

up in Detroit. CL

33:09

Franklin would start a sermon soft just

33:11

like Bobby Blublant talking about things and

33:13

then he would start breathing hard and

33:16

doing it and getting a rhythm to

33:18

it and people would go nuts and

33:20

then they would have music and the

33:23

women went nuts and then by the

33:25

end it was this crazy crescendo. So

33:27

CL Franklin becomes so

33:29

popular with this style

33:32

of preaching that he has a

33:35

radio show that

33:37

plays his sermons. He has

33:39

records that are released some

33:41

of them through chess records that are

33:43

very popular in the african-american community and

33:46

one of them I'm gonna read the

33:48

name of it it's called the Eagle

33:51

stirrer her nest it's a

33:53

hit record on the R&B

33:55

church literally a gospel

33:58

preacher sending the good word,

34:00

telling the good word and Bobby

34:03

Blue Bland listened to this guy was like, I'm

34:05

gonna steal that. I'm gonna steal

34:08

that style for the end

34:10

of my song. So it builds,

34:12

builds, builds and then by the

34:14

end people are going nuts. So

34:16

he gets this directly from the

34:18

preacher C.L. Franklin. C.L. Franklin in

34:20

Detroit becomes so popular,

34:22

he tours, he does other

34:24

churches, he's making $4,000

34:27

a night but most important, the

34:30

reason we know C.L. Franklin today

34:32

is his, he has kids, I

34:34

believe his middle daughter is named

34:36

Aretha and he starts

34:38

showcasing Aretha at the church and

34:40

she sings at the church and

34:43

then she because of what

34:45

happened with Sam Cooke is like, I

34:47

want to sing secular music.

34:50

I want to sing not only

34:52

church music but I want to

34:55

sing secular and then eventually she

34:57

gets signed by Columbia and then

34:59

obviously when Jerry Wechsler who we

35:01

talked about last time with Professor

35:03

Longhair and Alana Crackerd signed her

35:05

debut Respect and she becomes an

35:08

icon obviously but if you ever

35:10

seen the film Amazing Grace, not

35:13

Amazing Grace, Amazing Grace

35:15

which is a concert film

35:17

she did here in Los

35:19

Angeles with her dad, it's

35:21

incredible. It's all got mainly

35:23

gospel music and it's incredible

35:25

but that's the same Franklin

35:27

that inspired Bobby Blubland

35:29

and later on and this is a

35:31

crazy kicker Aretha Franklin when she talked

35:34

about how she liked to sing when

35:36

she would sing you know, she was

35:38

like I love

35:41

Bobby Blubland and I like to sing in

35:43

that style as well. So her dad influences

35:45

Bobby who ends up influencing

35:47

the daughter. Whoa that's cool. That is

35:50

cool yeah crazy that is fucking cool.

35:52

Yeah yeah yeah. Can you imagine a

35:54

record people listening to a record of

35:57

a gospel sermon? No. That's how powerful

35:59

uh CL Franklin was and he

36:01

would also do like a growl in

36:03

his voice So that was part of

36:05

it and you could get that on

36:07

Spotify. Is that all and there's probably

36:09

or I would that's a great question

36:11

I would think so. Yeah, look it

36:13

up CL Franklin here. I'm looking right

36:15

now. Yeah, we're going to church today

36:17

guys Reverend Reverend CL Franklin sermons. Yeah

36:33

That's

36:36

cool. Anyway, I just

36:38

thought again like this

36:40

is the black experience I mean obviously

36:42

when you think about the old Delta

36:44

blues, which is where Bobby Blue Bland

36:46

is from He's from you know, these

36:48

from Tennessee I think he grew up

36:50

there but pick cotton and you think

36:52

about just that area of the country

36:54

the Delta blue and then they had

36:56

Those like the simplest blues guys the

36:58

guys with just a guitar like Charlie

37:01

Patton And you know the big one

37:03

Robert Johnson and stuff like that Sunhouse

37:05

was just like oh, I'm just a

37:07

thing in here You know just with

37:09

the guitar and then everyone that came

37:11

after that were like Oh muddy waters What

37:13

if I plugged in my guitar? What

37:16

if I added a bay an electric

37:18

fender electric bass to this? What have

37:20

you added drums? What have we added

37:22

horns like Bobby blue band? What if

37:24

we added gospel? It seems like a

37:26

lot of times that he was experimental

37:28

and he tried stuff didn't always

37:31

work out But I don't know he just wanted

37:33

to try different things that doesn't seem like other

37:35

artists maybe did and so that's why he was

37:37

So influential all of a sudden there's a kid

37:39

in Belfast Ireland

37:43

Name van Morris is like what the I

37:45

want to sing like this The

37:48

whole that it came from

37:50

like poorest most marginalized part of

37:52

the country these guys who just

37:55

Creator and that's why there's that's why all

37:57

of these guys tend to be selling

38:00

celebrated in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

38:02

because they realized oh This

38:04

is where you know like the

38:06

Elvis song mystery chair train that

38:08

was a junior parker song That's

38:10

recorded by Don Roby I probably

38:13

Roby has writing credit on mystery

38:15

train and so it's like all

38:17

of this came from that experience

38:19

And so it's I just

38:22

find it a fascinating story And I

38:24

didn't know anything about CL Franklin other

38:26

than I had seen him in that

38:28

movie Amazing Grace with Aretha And obviously

38:30

everyone loves Aretha right and I love

38:32

that all music comes from other music

38:34

like that Fascinates me and I

38:36

think fascinates the committee your voting member of the

38:39

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is there a

38:42

special part of it is it just for the artists or

38:44

is there like a legacy or

38:47

Pioneer thing that they do Well,

38:49

I think they let in the pioneers if they can't get

38:51

in they always kind of like have a

38:54

way of squeezing them in I have no

38:56

idea but speaking of which Jared

38:58

you want to pull up the list of the

39:00

set of the nominees this year? We're nominating seven

39:03

says please vote for a maximum of seven nominees

39:05

usually it's only been five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah,

39:07

I don't know why now just so you know

39:09

I am not a fan of the Rock and

39:11

Roll Hall of Fame for a number of reasons

39:14

Not I mean I love the fact that they

39:16

bring in Bobby Blue Bland and all of these

39:18

guys and fast and all of those but Lately

39:21

the people they're bringing in or not

39:23

don't play rock and roll have nothing

39:25

to do with rock and roll other

39:27

than in the most vague sense that

39:29

rock and roll is you know Anti-establishment

39:33

music or something like that or doing your

39:35

own thing sure. So I'm sorry. I know

39:37

you're a voting member Here

39:40

we go. You go up scroll scroll

39:42

scroll scroll scroll scroll and stop there.

39:44

Okay. Yeah I don't want that Disney

39:46

plus thing on there. Okay A

39:48

little bit scroll get rid of the

39:50

there you go and right there. I'm fine

39:52

with that There it is All

39:56

right, Mary J. Blige Mariah Carey

39:58

share which I bet all three

40:00

of them get in. Dave

40:03

Matthews Band, Eric B. and

40:05

Rakim who he just did,

40:07

Foreigner, yes, Peter Frampton, okay,

40:10

James Addiction, Kool

40:12

& The Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Oasis,

40:14

Sinead O'Connor, Ozzy Osbourne, Sade, and

40:16

every year that I've been doing

40:18

this, a Tribe Called Quest. Tribe

40:20

Called Quest has been in there

40:23

every year that I've been

40:25

voting. Okay, is there a number

40:27

of... because I'm into... there's an

40:29

incredible book I read that changed

40:31

my life called The Politics of

40:33

Glory about the Baseball Hall of

40:35

Fame. And they have a thing

40:37

where you can only be eligible

40:39

for so many years and then

40:41

each year there's a percentage, it's

40:43

just phenomenal, phenomenal book if anyone

40:45

ever wants to read that written

40:47

by the great statistician who... anyway.

40:49

Who are your seven now? My

40:52

seven? Yeah. Is it up

40:54

to seven or seven? It says vote

40:56

for no more than seven. Usually

40:59

it's been five, I'm wondering why... wait, Oasis

41:01

has been around 25 years? Oh

41:04

yeah. And dude, and Oasis... Oh, I'm

41:06

so old. God damn. I think they're

41:08

a bigger band to come out of

41:10

England than The Beatles. Oasis

41:13

is huge, man. Like huge.

41:15

Listen, The Beatles, of course, way more influential,

41:17

a better band, all of that, all of

41:20

that, all of that. If

41:22

they came back right now, they're a stadium act without

41:25

a doubt. Right, right, right, right. But

41:27

still... But no, but I'm just

41:29

saying like, because I was talking to John

41:32

Manilie who was the manager

41:34

for Jay-Z and Jelly

41:36

and we were talking about it and he was

41:39

saying that he's the biggest band to come out

41:41

of England is Oasis. They

41:43

are globally massive. No question, no question. Okay,

41:45

can I ask some questions about this list?

41:48

Sure, go ahead. See, this is what the

41:50

problem with the Rock and Roll, before I

41:52

get to my question, the problem with the

41:54

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is that

41:56

Rock and Rollers tended to be white guys.

41:58

Yes, we have Chuck Band. Yes,

42:00

we have Little Richard. Yes, we have

42:03

Living Colored. You remember that band? Oh

42:05

yeah. Oh yeah. But those are

42:07

rare band. It's usually Dave Grohl's

42:09

band, whatever the name of that guy. You know, it's

42:11

usually those guys. So again,

42:14

I understand they don't want

42:16

their whole foundation

42:18

to be just white guys

42:20

and then a bunch of

42:22

Bobby Blue Blans. You

42:25

know what I mean? The old black guys that got ripped

42:27

off in the 40s and 50s that

42:29

created all of this. Like I feel

42:31

like that's why a lot of those guys are

42:33

in. So how is Mary J.

42:35

Blige and I love Mary J. Blige. Everyone

42:38

does, right? How is she in any way

42:40

a rock and roll act? In

42:43

any definition of rock and roll? Tell me.

42:46

Um, I... Explain

42:49

it to me. Rock and roll no, but...

42:51

Well, what is it called? Can

42:54

you go back to those nominees? I can tell

42:56

you with Mary J. Blige. Mary J. Blige is

42:59

like the first person to combine like R&B

43:01

with hip hop. Okay, okay, okay. That's her

43:03

big thing. She was

43:05

the one that merged that. Mariah

43:08

Carey in my opinion is just

43:10

an incredible singer. Pop singer. Yeah,

43:12

but like... Incredible, incredible singer. But

43:14

Whitney Houston did the

43:17

same thing. You know what I mean?

43:19

It's like... No, no, no, no. Forget

43:21

about whether Whitney Houston did. Whether she's better. I

43:23

don't care about that. I don't care about like

43:25

the definition of rock and roll has been so

43:28

watered down by this organization. Yeah. Because

43:30

they're dying to get people that move records.

43:32

I'm sure Mariah Carey is gonna get in

43:35

because she sold billions. I mean, it might

43:37

be billions, hundreds of millions of records. And

43:40

she's one of the biggest selling artists of

43:42

all time. Yeah. She's always like

43:44

in the... I think she's in the top 10. But

43:46

again, I mean Cher, I kind of understand. Is

43:48

Sunny and Cher in... I have just a

43:50

million questions. Like is Sunny and Cher in?

43:52

Because they were kind of a rock pop

43:54

act, you know? No, I mean

43:57

Jeremiah would have to check that. I don't think

43:59

Sunny's in. Yeah, yeah

44:01

but so seven. Another

44:03

question for you. Again, you're a

44:05

voter. Explain to me in

44:08

simple terms like I'm a child

44:11

how Chardet is considered a rock

44:13

and roll act when she's not.

44:16

She's not. It's not. It shouldn't be called

44:18

the rock and roll Hall of Fame. It

44:21

should be called the pop music Hall of

44:23

Fame. Okay. Well, it isn't. Why not? Yeah,

44:25

I know that and I mean, this is

44:27

like I feel like I'm talking to Morty

44:29

right now because Morty is he hates. Oh,

44:31

sorry. I'm sorry. Morty hates the rock and

44:33

roll Hall of Fame. Rightfully, so he's not

44:35

wrong. Everybody everything you're saying is right. For

44:37

sure. Yeah. And again, I love,

44:40

you know, I'm a history guy. I want

44:42

all of these guys celebrated. So. And

44:44

there's other institutions like the R&B Hall

44:46

of Fame. Bobby Blue Bland was in.

44:49

Right. Yeah. There's yeah. I mean, obviously, we

44:51

just talked about Bobby Blue Bland. Oh, yeah.

44:54

So, you know, I think he's in the

44:56

US Hall of Fame. I think he's in

44:58

the Memphis Hall of Fame. He's in the

45:00

R&B. Yeah. So, why wouldn't you have these

45:03

other Hall of Fames? But I think it

45:05

smells of desperation. I think there's a little

45:07

bit they feel guilty. Fair. That's

45:09

my that's my take. Because you don't want to

45:11

be out of touch anymore. And rock is not

45:13

moving numbers like hip hop is right. So what?

45:15

So, it's a it's a form

45:18

of music that isn't popular anymore. Who

45:20

cares? Like that's their goal is the

45:22

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Or

45:24

maybe it's like, hey, if we bring

45:26

in, let's say, I

45:28

don't know, Madonna, they have Madonna in there,

45:30

right? Did you vote for her? Josh? No,

45:33

she's in. She's in, I believe. Oh, yeah,

45:35

she's it. I would vote for Madonna. Yeah.

45:38

Yeah. Okay. But like I said, I'm not

45:40

looking at it like what is rock and

45:42

roll? I'm looking at it like it's because

45:44

I understand it's past that now. Oh, okay.

45:47

Okay. It's just it's now just just great

45:49

music. The word rock and roll. Yes, watered

45:51

down. It shouldn't be called that, you know,

45:53

because it's so funny because it's also funny.

45:55

It's like wood Mariah Carey would get into

45:58

the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. would

46:00

Ozzy Osbourne get into like the Soul

46:02

Singer Hall of Fame? No, it's like...

46:04

Never. So ultimately, it's

46:06

what do you lean towards culturally,

46:09

musically? Can I make a counter

46:11

argument to my own argument? Good.

46:13

Can I argue against myself? Good.

46:16

I'm thinking the Rock and Roll Hall of

46:18

Fame besides the fact they feel that it's

46:20

too white and male, which it is, which

46:22

that's what Rock and Roll was, that they

46:24

wanted to expand it out that by having

46:27

Madonna and Whitney Houston or wherever else is

46:29

in here, that maybe

46:31

kids who know Madonna will

46:33

go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and like, oh,

46:37

who's this Van Morrison guy? Who

46:39

is this Buddy Holly guy? And

46:41

then maybe that's their like falcons

46:43

maze of getting in and learning

46:45

about these other bands. What

46:47

do you think about that as a

46:49

strategy for the Rock and Roll Hall

46:51

of Fame Foundation? Yeah, I agree. You

46:54

know what I mean? Like they're just

46:56

saying like, maybe these kids, they'll be

46:58

exposed to, you know, the kinks. They'll

47:01

be exposed to the kinks. I don't know.

47:03

Whatever actual Rock and Roll. I kept saying

47:05

this, dude, it's all watered down. It's

47:07

just this forget that it's even called

47:09

the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

47:11

It's just, okay, if I'm forgetting the

47:13

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, then

47:16

definitely Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, and

47:18

Cherrion. Right? Like, isn't that

47:20

crazy? Like you kind of have,

47:22

dude, then it gets hard. If

47:24

Missy Elliott got in first ballot,

47:26

I could see Mary J., Mariah,

47:28

Cherrion. No question. I see Lenny

47:30

Kravitz and Ozzy Osbourne. But Black

47:32

Sabbath is already in, correct? Yes,

47:34

but this is Ozzy's biggest career

47:36

stuff came when he was Ozzy, not

47:38

when he was Black Sabbath, am I right?

47:40

With Randy Rhodes, right? He was the guitar

47:42

player? You're like, yeah, the Randy Rhodes and

47:45

Crazy Train. Wow. That's it.

47:47

It's basically crazy. No, there's another. There's

47:49

some other. The Crazy Train was, I

47:52

mean, the whole thing. The production of

47:54

it was, it's in commercials. It's

47:56

amazing. Yeah. So this is where

47:58

it gets hard. Obviously, Cool in the

48:00

Gang is not a... Forget about Rock and Roll.

48:03

I got to love Cool in the Gang. I

48:05

think you would have Cool in the Gang even

48:07

though I feel like... I don't

48:09

know. This is hard. This would be hard to

48:11

vote for this. Tell me

48:13

about Eric B and Rakeem. Tell me about

48:15

that guy, that team. Is that a hip

48:17

hop team? Yes. We just

48:20

ended up... We did one of their episodes recently.

48:23

And I mean this. As

48:26

an MC standpoint,

48:29

there is no one

48:31

more important to hip

48:33

hop lyricism than

48:38

Eric B and Rakeem. Really?

48:41

Okay. Rakeem, before him, it

48:43

was all just like, listen everybody, I'm

48:45

here to say, I do the fifths

48:47

in a major way. It was all

48:49

like that. And he was the one

48:51

that started telling more stories and having

48:53

rhymes inside the sentences. So

48:56

what are the most important figures

48:58

in hip hop? Are they like

49:00

a Bobby Blue band more for

49:02

their influence on other rappers or

49:04

for their actual hit songs? I

49:07

think it's more influence than definitely

49:09

influence than hip songs. Interesting.

49:11

Okay. They're like a Bobby

49:13

Blue. Yeah. Triple B. They're

49:16

like Triple B. Less radio

49:18

play, more influence. Less

49:20

radio play. And where are they from? What

49:22

city are they? I think they're from Queens

49:25

or Staten Island, one of them. Oh, okay.

49:27

Right. They do the boroughs.

49:29

They get very specific, right? Tribe

49:32

Called Quest is definitely the Queen. It's Queens, right?

49:34

I think you're right, Queens. Yeah. I

49:36

think so. Tribe Called Quest is Brooklyn and... Brooklyn.

49:39

Brooklyn, okay. I love it. I love

49:41

it. So I don't know a lot

49:43

about hip hop. You will admit it's

49:45

interesting that the people that kind of

49:48

created that maybe didn't get as famous

49:50

get their flowers. Is

49:52

that the word the kids use? Just

49:55

check it out. Lenny Kravitz, he got album of

49:57

the year four years in a row. like

50:00

1999 to 2002 or something or 98 to 2001. Four

50:05

years in a row, that's insane. Well, I

50:07

would put those four, I put Lenny Kravis

50:09

in OASIS, I got to put OASIS, then

50:11

Frampton and I know how do you

50:14

leave out Foreigner? I know, I know

50:16

that's where it gets. When you try to compare

50:18

Foreigner to a tribe called Quest, what goes through

50:20

your mind as a voter? If you had to

50:22

pick one of those, I just want to know

50:24

what's in your head. I

50:27

mean, alright dude, thinking of this,

50:29

of what I would pick, the people that

50:31

I fuck with the most are Tribe Called

50:33

Quest, Ozzy Osbourne,

50:35

I would pick Sinead O'Connor.

50:38

You would? I do, yep. I

50:43

would do OASIS, there's four.

50:45

I would do Foreigner, I

50:47

would do Eric B. and Rakim and

50:50

I would pick Mary J. Blige.

50:53

Those are the ones that... No Mariah can... I

50:56

would not pick Mariah Carey, this go round.

50:59

This is my personal... Of course, of course.

51:01

Only of course. Because the Tribe Called Quest

51:03

is not going to get in again. I

51:06

gotcha. Okay, okay. In this thing,

51:08

I mean, maybe they will, maybe that's why they're

51:10

making it seven, but I don't know. I

51:12

don't think James Addiction, not saying they don't deserve

51:14

to be in there, because then you could say,

51:17

well Perry Farrell started Lollapalooza, which this and the

51:19

other thing. So I just think, ultimately,

51:21

that's what I would pick. Who would be your

51:23

seven? Well, like I said, I'd

51:25

do the top three, then I would definitely

51:27

do Lenny Kravitz and then

51:30

I definitely have to do OASIS, so that's five

51:32

and then I have two more, not Dave

51:36

Matthews band, even though I do a bit

51:38

about them. Wait, what's your Dave Matthews band

51:40

bit? I don't know. My... First

51:44

of all, I go, I saw the Dave Matthews band,

51:46

people always go, whoo, and they go, relax, I'm about

51:48

to make fun of them. And

51:50

then I go, I had never been to one

51:52

of his concerts because I'm not in

51:55

a fraternity, but at the end

51:57

of the show, Fernand Corey does all along the

51:59

watchtower, the girl I'm with this like oh my

52:01

god, he's doing the cover of the Jimi Hendrix

52:03

song. It's like hold on Actually,

52:05

Jimi Hendrix did a cover of a Bob

52:07

Dylan song. So Matthews is doing a cover

52:09

of a cover. That's your duvet It's bullshit.

52:12

I'm walking. I'll meet you in the parking

52:14

lot He

52:19

do made then as I was if it gets

52:21

a big laugh I go don't do Vey me

52:23

Matthews don't do Vey me If

52:26

it doesn't get a big life, I just move on to the

52:28

next bit Can't

52:31

say I don't I don't know that that's

52:33

my I'd have to do a deeper research

52:35

on these on you know Records

52:37

sold and I have to say that

52:40

Frampton comes alive is It's

52:42

more certainly one of the greatest live

52:45

albums of all time Probably the most

52:47

the biggest selling live album of all

52:49

time, right? Yeah, I think Frampton comes

52:51

alive is like I mean It's a

52:54

legendary dude. Can I tell you I

52:56

talked to Peter Frampton? No, you didn't tell me that

52:59

Stage yes, talk to Peter Frampton once

53:01

and we're talking about you know, cuz

53:03

he wrote Go your

53:05

own whatever that's the three hits

53:08

off of there like the same day crazy

53:10

and I go do you ever think

53:13

about like how what happened he

53:15

goes I've tried to recreate that

53:17

day so many times Like

53:19

what I had for breakfast what what time

53:21

I woke up how I started writing and

53:25

He's a such a humble dude,

53:28

you know, but that album what

53:30

a monster What but

53:32

again, it's so old. It's so

53:34

old. It's not enough though one

53:36

big album, right? You

53:39

need to have like a longevity of a career. Don't

53:41

you so you feel like oh you feel like just

53:43

how one album is Not enough. I don't think so,

53:45

right? I don't I might be wrong again This is

53:48

cuz he was big when I was a kid Yeah,

53:51

and that's why tribe is close to Josh

53:53

and I's heart like it's like It's

53:56

just the best like conscious hip-hop or

53:58

what would you call it? Like

54:00

it's like it's hip-hop. It's hip-hop, but

54:02

it's like it just changed hip-hop It

54:05

was a different blood of jazz influence

54:07

very much a conscious, you know, it's

54:10

it's just great It's really is important

54:13

Great storytelling to my life. Like it's

54:15

one of my favorite groups ever ever

54:17

and you still listen to them Sometimes

54:20

yeah, I mean, I mean right now I

54:22

have no time to listen to anything other

54:24

than fucking this So now I say, you

54:27

know be blue Yeah, I mean, I think

54:29

it's incredible dude. I

54:31

love them. Okay, who would this okay?

54:34

Here's my for both of you guys

54:36

who won this list have you seen

54:38

live? I have seen Dave Matthews Eric

54:40

B and Rakeem James

54:43

addiction Not

54:46

Oasis I've seen Ozzy

54:48

and I've seen a tribe called quest I

54:50

saw Lenny Kravitz in San Diego and killed

54:53

it Me

55:00

What a god he was he's incredible

55:02

he's incredible. Yeah, he's awesome. We still

55:04

doing it. Yeah, dude That's cool that

55:06

you get to vote for this one

55:09

of these days. Not today I will tell

55:11

you the amazing story if I get to

55:13

11 There's another one

55:15

on here of the time I met

55:17

one of the founders of the rock

55:20

and roll Hall of Fame Amat Ertigan

55:22

who Created Atlantic

55:24

Records with his brother. I will tell

55:26

you how I met him at a

55:28

comedy club It's incredible story and what

55:30

we talked about. I got a couple

55:32

fun stats I wanted to throw in

55:34

there one is He

55:37

barely broke into the mainstream market his highest

55:39

charting song and the pop chart ain't nothing

55:41

you can do peaked at number 20 Yeah

55:44

in 1964 and the same week the

55:46

Beatles had held down the top five

55:48

spots The Beatles were just

55:51

owning the charts. So that's why he was

55:53

relegated the R&B right stuff The opening track

55:55

for dreamer ain't no love in the

55:57

heart of the city was a strong RB hit and

55:59

it was released a version of the song released

56:02

in 78 by Whitesnake. I thought

56:04

that was kind of interesting and then much

56:06

later the same song was sampled by

56:08

Kanye West on Jay-Z's The Blueprint

56:11

in 2001. There's

56:13

a couple other things that I think are

56:15

interesting but I think those are the main

56:17

ones as far as the cover. So... All

56:19

right let's wrap this up. So what's your

56:21

favorite song on this record? This is easy.

56:24

It's an old song that he

56:26

covers called Saint James Infirmary. It's

56:28

an old New

56:31

Orleans song. It's incredible. His

56:43

version of it is out of this

56:45

world. One of my favorites. What

56:48

is your least favorite song? Do you have any?

56:50

I loved this so there was nothing on here

56:52

that bothered me. Maybe Cry Cry Cry. I don't

56:54

know. I liked all their songs. I like... Don't

56:56

worry. Don't worry. No, no, no. It's a loaded

56:58

question. Sometimes you can just say, all

57:01

right, can you fuck to it? I think you

57:03

can. Well certainly. Two Steps

57:05

from the Blues you can. Yeah.

57:08

That song is... The title track is

57:10

great as well. If you look at

57:12

who wrote these songs, you'll see

57:15

Don Roby's name along with... Look

57:17

at writer that guy. I love

57:19

it. I love it. Very good

57:22

writer. He's called Saranis Record Company.

57:27

Anyway, that's it. I really... There's songs

57:29

outside this album that I like of his

57:31

as including Stormy Monday. What would be your

57:34

pitch to get someone to listen to this?

57:36

Like, how do you explain to somebody why

57:38

they need to listen to this? This is

57:40

along with Aretha Franklin

57:43

and Ray Charles

57:45

and Sam Cooke and James Brown.

57:48

This is the guy that brought

57:50

gospel into... And

57:53

in a little sense, also I'm going to say Little

57:55

Richard when he did the that

57:57

thing, you know, that when Little Richard would do that. stolen

58:00

from a preacher as well.

58:02

Yeah, that really brought gospel,

58:04

the gospel sound into

58:07

rhythm and blues and helped

58:10

spawn soul music and rock and

58:12

roll. So yeah, check them out.

58:15

Check them out, everybody. Promote away,

58:17

buddy. You know the deal. You've done this

58:19

10 times already. Yeah. Oh, I don't know

58:22

if I can say it yet. So I

58:24

guess I can say it. I'm working on

58:27

another documentary. You know, I have an Emmy

58:29

Award. It's not behind me for when the

58:31

George Carlin's American dream. I'm doing

58:33

it. This one's actually alive and we're doing a

58:39

documentary on comedian filmmaker

58:41

Mel Brooks. Oh,

58:44

please. Look, whatever you need.

58:46

Please help me find a way to meet him.

58:48

Actually, I've waved at him from afar. What

58:51

was it? He did

58:53

the anniversary of Blazing Saddles at the

58:55

Nokia Theater and I went to that

58:58

and they were shuffling him towards the stage

59:00

and basically from five or six feet away,

59:03

I was like, I love you, Mel. And he looked

59:05

at me and waved, but it's like, I love him

59:07

so much. How did the movie play? How did the

59:09

movie play? Great. Because it's one of the funniest movies

59:11

ever. But I mean, dude, he did Blazing Saddles

59:13

and Young Frankenstein in the same year.

59:16

Like that's insane. I

59:18

have to run. I love

59:20

you guys. Guys, Fettie,

59:22

thank you. You're going to be on again and again. You

59:24

know that. I love you so much, buddy. Yeah.

59:27

This is literally the Prozac that I needed to get

59:29

through the rest of the day. Everybody

59:31

bada-blubla and I'll talk to you buddy. All

59:34

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1:00:05

can't have your cake by Donnie Ray off

1:00:07

the 2022 record I'm Just a Man for

1:00:09

You. Next week Bo Diddley

1:00:12

week as we're dropping a two for 1986's

1:00:14

Bo Diddley and Go

1:00:16

Bo Diddley. They're not from 86 but that was

1:00:18

kind of when they were issued. And

1:00:21

if you haven't heard these records

1:00:23

listen to them do your homework

1:00:25

stay and

1:01:56

I do my very best. I

1:02:00

know all that is true, darling.

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Well, when

1:02:06

I get old, all I need is

1:02:08

a little red. This

1:02:10

an extended slack, baby, for my

1:02:12

boss, baby. And

1:02:17

I do my very best,

1:02:19

baby. You see, I do the

1:02:21

best that I can to be good. Hey,

1:02:25

yeah, you can. I

1:02:30

need you, my love.

1:02:34

I need you for the same pain. Hey, you can't

1:02:36

go. I need

1:02:38

you, my love. I need you

1:02:40

with me. Hey,

1:02:42

yeah, you can't. I can't have

1:02:44

your pain, girl. I need you, my

1:02:47

love. I

1:02:50

need you for the same pain. Oh, I

1:02:53

need you for the same pain. Do

1:02:55

what you want. Do that. Hey,

1:02:59

yeah, you can't. I

1:03:01

need you on, your love. And

1:03:03

he's too. He's on it. Hey,

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keep for the same pain. Hey,

1:03:09

you can't go. I

1:03:13

need you for the same. Yes,

1:03:18

baby, baby. Oh,

1:03:21

yeah. See,

1:03:24

it's you on the street.

1:03:28

It's you on the street.

1:03:31

It's you on the street.

1:03:33

You wanna go. You

1:03:36

wanna go. See,

1:03:38

I gotta tell ya. Hey,

1:03:41

you feel the hope. Hey,

1:03:45

I need you. Hey,

1:03:48

I know what you say, baby. Hey,

1:03:50

keep on doing it. I'm

1:03:52

right on my money house. I

1:03:56

give you a hug. You

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can't put a rifle, you're

1:04:03

still gonna breathe You

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can't be good on your

1:04:07

own And

1:04:10

you wanna do, do, do You

1:04:12

wanna do, you can't

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have your cake A

1:04:22

500, keepin'

1:04:25

it please see Your

1:04:29

love please nation A

1:04:32

500, a 500 Welcome

1:04:46

to us talking about our podcast for a

1:04:48

minute What's the

1:04:50

name of that podcast? That's Axe to Grind

1:04:53

and right now you're gonna be getting a little taste

1:04:56

of it right down to the shaking microphone and

1:04:58

all And my name's

1:05:00

Bob And my name's Patrick

1:05:02

and usually we're joined by Tom Tom's

1:05:04

the best, Tom has a real grown up job that requires

1:05:07

him to be at work But

1:05:09

we talk about decidedly not so grown up

1:05:11

things like Hardcore

1:05:13

music and things that people that like hardcore

1:05:15

music tend to like So

1:05:18

that could be the latest shows, revisiting

1:05:21

classic material, talking about the

1:05:24

new classics All the little

1:05:26

dorm room nonsense that you

1:05:28

imagine from niche music podcasts

1:05:30

that you either love Want

1:05:32

to love or heat

1:05:36

Yeah, imagine all the emotions that you

1:05:39

have towards the genre that has impacted

1:05:41

your life And

1:05:43

then condense them down to an hour to two

1:05:45

hours a week So

1:05:48

triangulate your speakers, think

1:05:51

about jumping off the bed, singing along,

1:05:54

dancing like an idiot and listen to Axe

1:05:56

to Grind podcast Hey

1:06:01

this is Chris Santos, host of Delirious Nomads,

1:06:03

the Blacklight Media Podcast, part of the Sound

1:06:05

Talent Media Podcast Network. Delirious Nomads is a

1:06:07

podcast about all things heavy metal as well

1:06:09

as breakdowns of your favorite combat sports and

1:06:11

me being a chef and all, we'll be

1:06:13

riffing on some food talk every week with

1:06:16

very special guests from across the world. Listen

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and subscribe at soundtalentmedia.com Next

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