0:07

Yeah, vocab. That was my Fuji's

0:09

intro.

0:10

I was telling him how that came about.

0:12

So that was the only song I got to produce on

0:15

that first album. Vo Cap.

0:16

That's crazy that second

0:18

one though, But y'all did with

0:20

that second one, Yes.

0:23

That's the one iduced you produced the whole

0:25

hour, me and my cousin Jerry Wonder. Okay,

0:27

yeah, but that's the beats I was cooking up

0:30

in the basement, Okay right. The only beat

0:32

we didn't do was fat Fujil Salam

0:34

did that and that beat was for Fat Joe for

0:37

real.

0:37

Yeah, you got that'd be crazy.

0:39

That be was for Fat Joe, you hear, You

0:42

know what I mean?

0:42

Like, I just saw something yesterday

0:45

where the dude who produced New York

0:47

Ship for us rhyme.

0:50

That was a beat that he tried to give to E. P.

0:52

M D In the eighties.

0:53

Yeah, they didn't take it, and eighteen years later

0:56

he gave it to Bust the Rymes.

0:57

And a hit. So it's crazy,

0:59

Like when.

0:59

Yo, you could on ship like for years.

1:02

I remember fucking Quincy

1:05

Jones was telling me Austin

1:07

power, so they brought him to

1:09

score the ship man. He

1:12

said everything he kept doing He's like, yo, cleft.

1:14

There was like no, no, no, no

1:16

no, because he was telling me the power

1:18

of just constantly keeping your ship

1:21

and if someone don't get it, they'll

1:23

get it later. My nigga. This

1:25

is like years later he said, cleft.

1:28

After these niggas told me that shiit seventy

1:30

times, it clicked that

1:33

I had one sample that

1:35

of some horn shit I sampled from the seventies.

1:38

He went and proved it and it was

1:40

like, that's what we want and that

1:42

was it. I was just like that

1:44

to you.

1:45

You did a lot of movie soundtracks

1:47

too.

1:48

That's my Yeah, that's that's the power though. Yeah,

1:51

life all that, yeah, life Rwanda.

1:55

Yeah, I did a lot of songs. Yeah

1:58

yeah, but that's how I thought I was going to make

2:00

money though I never thought scoring

2:02

movies. Going found that's what I wanted to be.

2:04

A composer Alabama this morning,

2:06

so I had to go to

2:08

the white man.

2:10

It's just a composer.

2:18

That's ship hard.

2:20

Can I say you one of the greatest.

2:21

Man your every

2:24

battle, I see you watching, I see

2:26

you like you remind me and me. When

2:28

I was in the Cape Tiliam, I was telling

2:30

them one of my greatest

2:33

da Vinci codes Is. I learned how

2:35

to battle rap at a young age as

2:38

a defense mechanism in the

2:40

hood, coming from Haiti, like I had

2:42

no choice. Yeah, yeah,

2:45

it's very very it's very entertaining.

2:47

But overstarting, overstanding.

2:49

I loved it.

2:51

It used to but now we're permanent

2:53

one and the battle lost my finger,

2:56

Mike became my arm.

3:02

I need this.

3:04

Yeah, man, Cliff got that music, man that

3:06

happy ship.

3:08

All the way, and I know that they had

3:10

had to be Yeah, nigga, it had to be hard

3:13

to do, you know, to have that freedom to

3:15

just be like, man, I'm gonna do something that ain't nobody else

3:17

doing.

3:18

That's always difficult.

3:19

I'm assured that had to be difficult when you're coming

3:21

with a sound and everybody like what the.

3:23

Fuck is this?

3:24

But you see the thing with our perception coming

3:26

from Haiti, like I was saying, my whole

3:28

life was like slum dog Millionaire,

3:30

City of Guards. So when

3:33

I came to America, by the time I got to the projects,

3:35

I was like, we need it because I

3:39

was the women singing some crazy shit. And

3:42

then I took the congos and just started

3:44

playing the shit and I started making melodies

3:47

and we was lik in this village

3:49

like man poor, nothing like crazy.

3:52

But I used to take in the straight dogs. So

3:54

all the dogs used to be like my family, you

3:56

know what I'm saying to you, and then like dmxan

3:59

shit, you know what I'm saying to you.

4:01

And then I used to fucking be writing songs

4:04

and sing ship for my dogs like a straight

4:06

dog.

4:06

Yeah, like you know,

4:13

the straight dogs and they would be your audience.

4:16

Yeah, my nigga, because I'm six.

4:18

Look, I don't have no Walt Disney,

4:21

I don't have no television, I don't have so

4:24

nigga, we had the straight dogs in the

4:26

cemetery, and the cemetery

4:29

to me was a playpen. You

4:31

feel me because when the ship would

4:33

do thunder and lightning and ship, that's when we

4:35

were go play the hide go seek ship. Yeah,

4:38

you feel me

4:40

behind dogs, hide

4:44

behind dog.

4:46

Found It was like

4:48

that, like that

4:51

right whole different like what was what was

4:53

the ship that blew your mind?

4:54

Like okay, before you asked that, which is

4:57

going to be on top of the course that.

4:58

I want because it picked back up with you said

5:01

from the Caribbean.

5:03

When you see that there's an extended

5:05

life. When people say America.

5:07

Is the

5:10

Can you paint that picture so people can who

5:13

don't understand by living here, you.

5:15

Are already winning. Yeah,

5:18

my nigga show. So to your point,

5:20

I was telling them, I ain't see. I ain't know what light's

5:23

work. Lights to

5:25

me was a lamp. I ain't know what

5:27

a corse it was. Nigga.

5:32

We we ain't had napkins like you got. You want

5:34

to take the shit, nigga, you gotta go to the ravine like

5:37

the ravene is like you going to the

5:39

fucking like the woods in the

5:41

back, right, and then you go to the woods, my nigga,

5:44

and then it's one big hole

5:46

you ever seen fucking slum dog millionaire.

5:48

That's the ravine.

5:49

That's where everybody got to take the ship at You

5:52

feel what I'm saying, Hey, yeah, this where

5:54

I'm from. My nigga ain't getting hit till I was ten. This

5:56

this was my reality. Then you

5:59

go to school, you gotta walk

6:01

like for miles, right. But then

6:03

we had a donkey, so we would trade

6:05

off on who would take the dunk. Take the dunk. Yeah.

6:08

So by the time

6:11

okay, peak this, I never

6:13

seen a white person ever in my life, never

6:16

seen a car, never seen

6:18

a plane. I ain't know what that ship was,

6:21

right, So you gotta think about this. I'm

6:23

gonna show you the reality niggas is like six

6:25

he miked up. Okay,

6:28

this shit getting deep, niggas. We need

6:30

everything.

6:32

Yeah, y'all see y'all laugh down man, all walking around

6:34

ship.

6:35

Come on, hurry up, this

6:38

shit getting.

6:38

Good,

6:43

right, So we would eat

6:46

every like four days.

6:48

When we get food. You feel me every four

6:50

days?

6:51

Damn don't.

6:52

I don't do me like that.

6:54

We get food four days.

6:56

But now trade water, you understand,

6:59

because people do stand fans to

7:01

water. It's Jesus

7:04

the Fast forty nine. They

7:07

mentioned nothing about water. So

7:09

I gotta tell you this shit because it's gonna.

7:11

Sound crazy, but this is our

7:13

reality, man, right, So how

7:16

yo?

7:16

Man?

7:17

Hey, you listening to the damn.

7:21

Whatever?

7:21

Baby, man, you're good cool,

7:24

You got the right shirt on though. I'll tell you that

7:26

the Black Prince and a fella koochie. Oh yeah,

7:28

yeah, that's the nigga right there. You'll

7:30

know all.

7:36

That's crazy.

7:38

Yeah. But so it's so crazy because when

7:40

I was with uh we you know, we started the Fuji

7:42

tour to be continued this year, right

7:45

and me and Lauren was talking and

7:47

she was She was like, Nigga, when

7:50

you used to tell me this ship, I

7:53

used to think like you was exaggerating

7:55

on some three trillion ship until

7:58

Google came out and

8:00

I would google dirt pots because

8:03

I told her, like, we used to eat dirt from

8:05

the floor and

8:07

and then she was like not till Google came

8:09

out and I googled this shit years later, was

8:12

like this nigga was telling the truth

8:14

because she couldn't fathom a nigga

8:16

peeking up dirt from the floor and eating it.

8:19

Ya, so people would really eating was

8:22

it a specific kind of dirt? Okay? So it's

8:24

funny coming you got a red dirt.

8:26

It's like a red dirt again Mississippi.

8:29

Okay, it's nutrition. But

8:31

you're not thinking of that. You get what I'm saying, cause guard

8:33

made everything. But just here's my reality,

8:35

my nigga. So when the plane

8:37

is coming right from where we are,

8:40

we used to have the sling shots. You see what I'm saying

8:42

to you, So the minute

8:44

we hit the plane, it shit is real high.

8:47

So to us at six years old, what

8:49

you think the ship is a

8:52

bird? Bird? Yeah? So I'd

8:54

be like why'll translation

8:57

the birds coming, assume your position, My nigga,

9:00

niggas is butt naked birds

9:02

coming. Niggas is butt naked like this on

9:08

the ground, assuming.

9:10

Positions with your sling shot.

9:12

Nigga, whoever get the best some soccer

9:15

zulu hit. So nigga, that

9:17

was the reality. So when you tell me so,

9:19

when you tell me about America, right,

9:23

nigga, this shit is sweet by the

9:25

time we got here. So now,

9:28

just before we got to America, we used to hear the stories

9:31

like Yo Atlanta, the freedom, Atlanta opportunities.

9:34

So white man pulls up

9:36

in a jeep, never seen a white man before,

9:39

and he get out of he get out as a

9:41

jeep and we're in the village with

9:43

my grandma. So I hold my grandma had cause

9:45

nigga look like an alien. I ain't never seen the white man.

9:48

And I said, Grandma, who that is? She got

9:50

as Jesus Christ's

9:54

she go do Jesus Christ. And

9:57

I'm like Jesus Christ.

9:59

So now, okay, my

10:01

nigga, look, no cap go

10:04

to these Caribbean people homes. Everybody

10:07

got a picture of a white Jesus with blue

10:09

eyes, like yeah, yeah,

10:11

that's the thing. So now she goes

10:13

as Jesus Christ. So Jesus takes

10:15

the rice, gives the village, and

10:18

then he's leaving. So now years

10:20

later, my parents

10:22

come and get us from Haitia ten shit work

10:24

out for them, and then they put

10:26

us on a plane. Shit looked like a UFO.

10:29

I ain't never seen the plane. So me and my brother

10:31

sitting next to each other, and my

10:33

brother freaks out. I'm

10:36

like, Sam, what's wrong? And

10:39

we look up and we see more

10:41

white people now right, So he's freaking

10:44

out and we mad confused

10:46

because they all wearing the same uniforms

10:49

Jesus Christ. Right, So then my

10:52

brother and I

10:54

said, calm down, right, these

10:56

are Jesus cousins. Right, We're good

10:58

because in my mind these are is Jesus cousins

11:01

because they look like Jesus and they

11:03

all rocket. Later we found out they were the students

11:05

and all that at the same uniform. That's

11:08

that reality. Now the fucking plane is

11:10

landing and in New York,

11:12

we just see a bunch of lights. So

11:15

per the tale that was told in the village

11:18

city of Diamonds, So

11:20

we landed in the city of Diamonds, my nigga,

11:23

so we get to the City of Diamonds, and

11:25

now my uncle pick us up in a

11:27

big ass station wagon LTD,

11:31

old fucking station wagon. I

11:34

look at my brother and we both just

11:36

start celebrating because we're

11:38

rich. Our father's Donald Trump, and

11:40

I hadn't because now we're pulling

11:43

up to these brick buildings and them just

11:45

looks so we don't know that projects to us

11:48

like yo, beautiful, beautiful.

11:50

So that's always been my

11:53

reality. So that's what I was saying, Like,

11:55

no, man, I wouldn't even

11:57

know. If a man is saying, don't do

11:59

a Pepe commercial, I wouldn't

12:01

even know if he tell me I'm selling out, I wouldn't

12:03

even know what that means.

12:04

Right cause I can't little me from.

12:07

Yeah, because my reality is to make sure

12:09

that my family's taken care of, right, That's

12:11

the first reality. So that's

12:13

how sort of like we came up. So now we're coming

12:15

up like this. So you know, you got us,

12:17

and then you got the Haitian Jacks.

12:20

You know all that that same family though

12:22

Haiti's like system, it's all from the same

12:24

place. And my dad took me and

12:27

he brought me to Jersey because

12:29

he was like, yo, I don't want you a monks.

12:31

And then he brought us to Jerseys. But later we

12:33

all united back in life. But

12:36

it all started with my dad taking me.

12:38

He was like, yo, I'll bring you to Jersey.

12:41

For me to Jersey, he couldn't even read English.

12:43

But Nigga was a farmer and a fisherman,

12:45

right. I see my dad make corn in

12:47

the project Like that was another

12:50

like defensive mechanism, like niggas would

12:52

fuck with my dad. He was like the og like

12:54

niggas are talk. So one day he's

12:56

a mechanic too. That's where my card game come

12:58

in. And he's driving a

13:01

car to bring to Jersey that

13:03

he just fixed. And then he can't read

13:05

English, but he looked and it said god

13:08

then instead Packway, so

13:11

he come back and said, we go to

13:13

the Goden city. We go to Jersey.

13:16

So in his brain he's thinking, like it's the farm

13:18

city, the garden, like you know what I'm saying

13:20

to Nigga. We get straight to Newark

13:23

where red from Brick

13:25

City. We get straight to the bridge. But

13:28

this is all our reality. And

13:30

then a break. Eleven o East South Thrange

13:32

Avenue, a burnt down funeral

13:34

home right in the hood. My dad

13:38

has a vision in his head and says

13:40

God told him that's where the church going

13:43

to be at. So

13:46

we all think he's crazy. So

13:48

my dad buys this funeral

13:51

home, and now we

13:54

live inside of a funeral home. My Nigga

13:56

eleven olwais South Chorenge Avenue. We

13:59

live inside of a burnt funeral

14:01

right, and now we gotta live

14:03

all the way downstairs where

14:05

the and the car fins and everything

14:08

out right, because he got a vision to rebuild

14:10

it, right, But people, we didn't

14:12

see his vision right. His

14:15

vision wasn't even that it was a fucking parking

14:17

lot, right,

14:20

So Nigga ended up having the biggest

14:22

parking lot. And if you want parking,

14:25

you gotta wreck, you get what I'm saying. So that's

14:27

how Nigga played chess.

14:30

So when did you realize, like

14:32

coming from Haiti getting to America,

14:35

when did you realize that y'all really didn't move

14:37

up?

14:37

Y'all just moved around?

14:38

Like when did you realize y'all was still impoverished,

14:42

just in a different setting.

14:43

I would say the first thing I realized

14:45

was prejudiceing not with

14:48

white people, with black people, because

14:51

where I came from I thought we always the same

14:54

on some chaka zulu shit. We feel what I'm saying.

14:56

So I would go to the block and I'd be like.

15:04

So wrong with the niggas

15:07

speaking the curses, big.

15:11

Jungle sag And

15:13

I was like, Yo, why they treat me like I thought

15:15

we were?

15:16

You know

15:16

what.

15:21

Niggas is like, yo, man, go back to Jamaica,

15:23

bro. And I was like, I'm not Jamaican,

15:25

right, but it's like, nigga,

15:28

everybody that got action you Jamaican. So

15:30

it was sort of like, you know,

15:33

understanding that. And then one

15:35

day my mama gave me food stamps and

15:38

was like, go to the store with

15:40

that. I don't know. It looked like money

15:42

to me, monopoly money. So

15:45

I'm in the line, you know what I'm saying to you, And then

15:47

I can't hear all the other kids, you know what I'm saying

15:49

behind me and food stand,

15:51

food stand, mama arm well for you

15:54

know what I mean that means. I don't even

15:56

know what that means, my nigga, because it

15:58

don't matter to me where I come from.

16:00

My mama sent me to the store. So now

16:02

all of these realities just

16:04

slowly start to make sense.

16:07

You know what I mean. My dad

16:09

bring us in Brooklyn because we always

16:11

like Jersey, Brooklyn, back and forth. There was a department

16:13

store called Jacks in Brooklyn,

16:16

and so my dad brought

16:18

us the Jacks. We came from Haiti.

16:21

He was like, yo onside

16:24

and dick asny sneakers

16:26

as you want you. So

16:29

when we go to Jacks, my nigga, and

16:32

I'm like, oh shit, one

16:36

hundred dollars in ninety nine and

16:39

my pops at two hundred dollars for a pair of

16:41

sneakers, and he told us, go, my

16:43

nigga. I grabbed every colored green yello.

16:47

You feel me on top of the top, but

16:50

you know what I'm saying. Then I get back home, proud

16:52

of myself, not up my yellow joint.

16:55

Boom boom boom. And then I get in

16:57

the school and I hit

16:59

these kids start this hill jeepers.

17:03

To make your feet feel fine, jeepus

17:05

exactly right.

17:07

Yeah, And then you see I can't make

17:09

this ship up. I'm just telling you see, and

17:11

he's backing it up because this is our first time

17:14

talking. But it's all these stories,

17:16

so he exactly exactly

17:18

what he was doing. So you see the cross

17:20

culture. So Niggas was

17:22

like, yo, so what was two hundred

17:24

dollars in my head was a dollar

17:27

in ninety nine cents, But none

17:29

of that mattered to me. You see what I'm showing you.

17:31

I'm just showing you. All of this

17:34

was of reality, and that became the

17:36

whole thing. So I would have talked that

17:38

was nig.

17:39

Last week right exactly.

17:42

From shoe.

17:51

You cookie

17:55

doing.

17:56

This is how we're doing in my house, yo.

18:02

Yo. Yeah,

18:05

man, that was the reality. And it goes

18:07

on and on and on and on. So it's

18:11

like what this is

18:13

and I'll show you something. Sug

18:16

Night comes out right and

18:18

the whole industry is terrorized. Yeah,

18:22

ask me one time you ever seen the fujis

18:24

with a bodyguard? Never?

18:29

Never, like we our own click, with our own movement,

18:32

right because at the end of the day, where I come from,

18:35

a man is a man like you know what

18:37

I'm saying, You and your mom and

18:40

your God forbid

18:43

you get jumped and then you

18:45

come back in the house and you're talking

18:47

about you just got jumped. Your parents going to be

18:49

like, go back outside and get what they took from you

18:52

automatically, So they instilled that

18:54

eighteen o four revolutions, Zoe mentality,

18:57

so all of that at a very young

18:59

age. So for us, what was more

19:01

important was how do we code the music

19:04

in a way for the world to

19:06

get it. That's why we was a different

19:08

kind of author because I was like, Nigga, we

19:11

already know we got guns in the hood, we got

19:13

drugs, we know that we from that.

19:15

So the whole fu mythology

19:18

was like they form a right, was like, how

19:21

do we write for the world

19:23

to look at us and a different

19:25

way to know, like we scientists, we intellectuals,

19:28

like we Matsamusa's like, we

19:30

are conscious that even though you

19:32

put us in this little environment as a whole, everybody

19:35

gonna rock. So that's why the

19:37

lingo was always different than

19:39

just the direct.

19:40

And y'all put a lot of that into music because a lot of

19:42

people don't know the Haitian history

19:44

and how much they've been influential, and

19:47

I'm talking about the first revolutions, the first

19:49

people to stand up to hypocrisy

19:51

and slavery, and I mean,

19:54

you look at Haiti and they have been

19:56

instrumental in so much. So

19:59

I can imagine y'all coming over here and

20:01

seeing what we think is the ghetto and

20:03

y'all like, ni shit, this ain't this ain't

20:06

nothing.

20:11

Exactly hell

20:13

now, so why is it Haitians

20:17

and the Dominican Republic?

20:20

Why is it it some type of beef when y'all

20:22

on the same island, y'all

20:24

literally neighbors.

20:25

Yeah, like like Mexico and California

20:29

before it was California was all Mexico.

20:31

Correct, talk now right

20:34

geographically so and then if

20:36

we just talk about the Caribbean as

20:38

a whole, that's North America.

20:40

It's North America. Most people don't know that.

20:43

Now. If we talk about to your point,

20:45

haitiing the Dominican Republic, that's it's

20:47

Spaniola. So one thing, y'all,

20:51

let's go step deeper. Keep talking. Haitians

20:53

got their independence in eighteen o four, and

20:56

who helped the Dominicans get their independence?

20:59

Patients? But again, conquer

21:01

and divide. It's always they do it here.

21:04

It's about the idea of conquered dividing.

21:07

The politics, the rhetoric, the

21:09

whatever you instill in a youth as

21:12

a child, they gonna grow up into it.

21:15

Now, I'm gonna tell you something that people don't even know.

21:17

My uncle, his name is Raymond Joseph he

21:20

was born in the Dominican Republic, but

21:22

in my point, he's just born in Espanola.

21:25

So the point is the love has

21:27

to start with when the kid is

21:29

small and he's growing up that you don't

21:31

do that. It's like you can have beef with

21:35

like Cuban could have beef with the Puerto Rican,

21:38

right, or they could be like you

21:40

know, they could have beef with a

21:42

Mexican. It's almost like they put this rhetoric

21:45

within us. It's just that the instill of the

21:47

prejudicem that when you grow up

21:49

with so because they ideas

21:52

like imagine if the Dominican Republic

21:54

and Haiti can

21:57

just unify and be one

21:59

thing, right, and then imagine

22:02

if they take that same unification to Jamaica

22:05

take it all around. Right. Yeah,

22:07

so you gotta think. But that rhetoric, my man,

22:10

it starts off with the politicians. It

22:12

start off with a nigga who's like,

22:15

this is my land and this is my turf,

22:18

and he get a bunch of niggas and say, okay, we're

22:20

gonna fight these niggas over this. So

22:23

now what happens, right, So through bad

22:25

policy, Haiti gets failed, right,

22:28

and I hope these Haitian leaders watching

22:30

this shit too, because lot of them is

22:32

okie doke fuck boys. So these

22:35

okie doke fuck boys what

22:38

they do too? At times they sell

22:40

their own Haitians to the Dominican Republic.

22:43

This is true. So at the end of the day,

22:46

where does it start. It gotta start with

22:48

us, Like you know what I'm saying.

22:50

You gotta hold these leaders

22:52

accountable. You know what I'm saying to you. So to

22:54

your point, we watch it here

22:57

too, conker and divide. Think about

22:59

this, get my independence at eighteen

23:01

o four and you in America,

23:04

they hanging y'all, They burning,

23:06

y'all. You watching him

23:09

get hung and you shaking. They're

23:12

hanging you watch them. You

23:14

know you're next. You're shaking. But

23:16

what happens if you got to me, I

23:19

mean Haiti, They won't let you. They won't let me

23:21

have a conversation with you, because

23:24

I'll just be like, yo, man, I'd

23:26

be like, you know what we just did to

23:28

these dudes, We will just shift the whole Napoleon

23:31

and and then that information go with

23:33

you. Then you would have more NAT turners

23:35

and want that no. So so again,

23:38

information is power. I always say that you

23:40

know what I'm saying to you. But so

23:43

then I pushed. I even

23:45

pushed forward now and try to become

23:47

president of Haiti. I wish.

23:51

The time I tried to be president,

23:55

you go be president.

23:56

That's high with President Day.

23:58

I'll get elected on Frida

24:02

on Saturday.

24:04

You know, shout out to Dave Chappelle. That's the first

24:06

time I did that. I

24:09

was pretty high, was firing.

24:11

Don't all the legends,

24:13

man, But I gotta ask you this one.

24:15

You work with Tailne.

24:20

All the coats, Man already

24:23

know that's.

24:26

I think they always actually my top

24:28

five. And I'm like, why y'all even

24:30

bothered to do that? You already know it's.

24:36

We're welcome back today fans. Yeah,

24:41

man, we're doing that big food today.

24:43

Man, we got none other than the

24:46

super talent we.

24:47

Got to give them.

24:48

Give him a goo, the super dope,

24:50

the super instrumental.

24:52

Part of one of the hardest

24:55

REP groups in REP history.

24:57

Man, hey man, multi cultural

24:59

kid make music all across the board, whether

25:02

it be for the Hood, whether it

25:04

be for.

25:04

South America, whether it be for Haiti.

25:06

Eat it ran for President.

25:08

I Ain't Got one of the highest grossest

25:11

selling albums of all times,

25:14

none.

25:14

Other the legendary

25:18

mister white.

25:18

Cliff

25:27

respect.

25:29

Man thet

25:32

I always wanted to ask you about this man you in

25:34

a legendary hood movie shots Man,

25:37

you playing and now

25:39

you haten to the boys.

25:41

This is a whole lot of.

25:43

H lot of Jamaicans in that movie.

25:45

You know, you know, if you know it was a white man and black

25:47

man and a Chinese man, you know, you

25:49

know, And and it was easy to

25:52

say that joke and as Richie as and just

25:54

murk dangles without you see it coming right.

25:56

You know what I'm saying. All I gotta do is

25:59

that is not for me

26:01

because coming from Haiti, grew

26:04

up in Brooklyn first and at

26:06

the time, every Haitian wanted me Jamaican.

26:08

You know, That's what that was the reality.

26:14

This is before your ever, every every Haitian

26:16

that's watching this, that's my age, know

26:18

that at that time you had to have a

26:20

Jamaican.

26:21

Accent because I was

26:23

even making powerful.

26:25

Even my mill even

26:27

my man watching this right now in the d R like

26:30

understands this like at the end of

26:32

the day, because them

26:34

Haitians was no joke right.

26:37

So it was so crazy

26:39

because in times in Brooklyn, the

26:42

the neighbor would

26:44

be like, Yo, blood

26:47

clad, Jimmy, I kind might not do it, you know, yeah,

26:49

se pull up and then trust

26:51

me money you see you see. Let me just talk like

26:54

that

26:56

with the Jammior connounce where I play it commune

26:58

on money. So yo, when

27:03

the idea of doing shot us and what

27:06

I loved about that flick though, shout

27:09

out to set. This is one of my favorite thing

27:11

about Shotters. So I'm

27:13

about to fuck y'all for a minute. So

27:17

I actually started off me

27:21

Miss Hill aka l Boogie.

27:24

We was in an off Broadway

27:27

play, right, this

27:30

is like thirty years ago. It was called

27:32

Club twelve. And then of course

27:34

you see Miss Hill whenning she was doing sister

27:36

acting, still doing her music right, So and

27:40

she was saying this the other day when we was on tour and

27:42

then prize I

27:45

thought like I was going to be an actor at one time

27:47

too, because it just so literally.

27:49

There's an article that said we did Hamilton

27:52

thirty years ago, me and Miss Hill

27:54

mc light before Hamilton was Hamilton. So

27:57

now the thing about acting which

28:00

we loved about Shotters, everything

28:03

you saw was improv a

28:06

lot, you know what I mean. You have a script, but

28:08

the script is on improv. So when the

28:10

director come and he.

28:11

You go, all right, why you gonna.

28:15

Yeah, and you already normal the

28:17

lie. You're in the murder of the why, but you

28:19

can't let the audience know that you're murder.

28:22

Roll them black clap camera, you

28:24

know what I'm saying.

28:25

Cameras you you know what I'm saying. No,

28:27

there was a white man of black. And then so the the

28:30

idea of the improv and the feeding off

28:32

each other is one things like actors

28:34

and actresses thrive off, you know still

28:37

till today, these improv classes

28:39

and that natural vibe. So for me, Shotters

28:42

have a lot of that, you know what I'm saying. That's what's

28:44

amazing.

28:45

That's what I was asking, like, what was what was the likes?

28:48

What was the feedback when they were

28:51

they proud of the representation that you put

28:53

out there?

28:53

Yeah? I mean Richie f is

28:56

in more places more famous than why clap

28:58

you know that why

29:02

Richie as left? Richie

29:05

asked me, that's like one

29:07

of those things that you can't shake. The

29:09

Shotters movie, whether if

29:11

it's the child is fifteen or

29:14

fifty, like somehow that

29:16

movie we got across everybody. I

29:18

just like two days ago.

29:24

New York.

29:25

You know that was you when you first touched down. But

29:27

like, how did you feel when were you already

29:30

wy left?

29:30

When you got to go down.

29:31

Down to Miami and see the presence that the

29:34

Haitian people have down there? Like were you already

29:36

famous? So did you get to see that prior to you becoming

29:38

a superstar?

29:40

So it's a deep

29:42

question. So you hired

29:45

two sets brewing at the time. So

29:48

we was in Brooklyn, Jersey,

29:51

the refugees. And the thing is, now,

29:53

if you look back at the refugees, John

29:55

Forte who got

29:57

the first pardon.

29:59

Now, hold on that, I gotta ask you that.

30:01

Yeah, I had no idea

30:03

who John Forte was and he just showed

30:06

up on the way cleft song.

30:07

But we was rocking with your ship so hard was just like

30:09

clip.

30:10

Yeah. Like today, like say,

30:13

somebody you feel has talent, you're

30:15

gonna put him on a feature, you know what I mean? So

30:17

John was those John was always

30:20

in the studio. He was part of doing the beads,

30:22

He was part of the John was part

30:24

of the brain trust of the fujis so

30:27

and automatically, definitely

30:29

John had the vibe. So I was

30:31

saying like when we look at it, John historically

30:35

was one of the first rappers

30:37

that got a pardon from a president for

30:39

his charge. It was

30:41

George Bush, right, So

30:44

now I bring you there to

30:48

show you like when when when we say like

30:50

the refugees, it was literally taking

30:53

a negative and making a positive out

30:55

of it, right without having a top moo.

30:58

So we was there then, and you had the

31:01

Zoo Pound that was in Miami,

31:04

right, So so

31:06

let me tell you the story, the real story.

31:09

Light right, So do I get a lighter?

31:11

So so

31:15

I remember we

31:17

was doing the show with Boojou Bunton

31:22

in Miami, Salute to the General. We

31:24

was doing the show and

31:27

uh, and I'm downstairs and

31:31

keep in mind we bubbling but we're still not And

31:33

then my man like, yo, my

31:35

man Seana said, Yo, there's these dudes upstairs,

31:39

you know, like they not gonna

31:41

get off. You know, they on by the stage

31:43

because my bro manager has to get him and say, yo, it's

31:45

not gonna get off. Man to you, you

31:48

know, they're just like they got to see you. So I

31:50

go and we

31:53

catch and the minute

31:55

I see Macca Zoe, Macca

31:58

Zoe looks like my brother.

32:01

So literally see the thing about Haiti is

32:03

tribes, right, So me and

32:05

Max just start to hug each other and

32:08

it's just an energy with kids,

32:11

right. So the idea

32:13

of the refugees

32:15

and the idea of like zoppound. It

32:18

was a movement

32:20

of struggle and like we're gonna

32:23

show like the world that we're on top

32:25

and we could do better. So I

32:28

was the first dude, no

32:30

cap that put a

32:33

festival together in Miami. This is long

32:35

before Ultra and all these

32:38

festivals. I'm the first one. The Carnival.

32:40

The Carnival was the name of the festival,

32:43

Aliyah, you could google it, Timberland

32:45

Ussha. That's the first time. If Ussia's

32:47

watching this, you know, that's the first time people

32:50

thought Usher was Haitian. That's where the

32:52

roof started. It started

32:54

on my festival because I had Usher

32:56

say and every time we see each other, he'd

32:59

be like, yo, you know it's because you had me say,

33:01

endless, I keep going and going going. So and

33:04

I remember being in

33:07

the audience with Macaso

33:10

when we both looking at each other and he

33:12

was like, yo, man, this

33:15

is the vision. Man, Like

33:18

we're gonna take this music thing to

33:21

the next level. So he's

33:23

a big inspiration because it was like brother

33:26

talking to brother. So we like in the middle

33:28

of this festival, we're talking. So I'm

33:30

gonna show you how deep it is. So when you

33:33

watch a video I have, which is called MVP

33:35

Kompa, MVP Kompa, you

33:37

smoke about the Crayoll music that I do too.

33:40

So when the intro that video, now,

33:42

if y'all go back and watch it, the minute

33:44

the song start, that's me and Macazo in

33:47

the very intro innocent Crayle.

33:50

So again, we was celebrating

33:53

the idea of life, the idea of music, red

33:55

eyes, all these guys. It was an

33:58

idea of positivity. This

34:00

is the start of let me think, this is what it

34:02

was gonna be. So the embracement

34:06

was like this because we all

34:09

was repping the flag and it

34:11

was sort of like it's like one set

34:14

meeting another set, but part of the same

34:17

service, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, a big

34:19

same flag because one yeah,

34:21

so free macers O, you

34:24

mean, I mean freemacher.

34:27

Yeah, ask you this, what did you learn when you ran

34:29

for president? Like, because

34:31

you this is real you this top office

34:34

old there? What did you what were some of the lessons that you

34:36

learned or some of the things that you didn't know about government.

34:38

That you came in.

34:39

Well, I remember calling like my closest

34:42

friends and I was like, Yo, I'm

34:44

going to run to

34:46

be president and Haiti, and all I heard was Nigga,

34:49

you crazy? Click right, Okay,

34:55

Nigga, I'll be at the funeral. Click bigga,

34:58

be at the funeral. Click right, my.

35:07

Lady, Nigga,

35:16

I can't myself. You know your dad smoked

35:18

Snoop Dogg White Club.

35:20

This is a good ship.

35:21

I feel good. I feel.

35:26

Yeah. So here we go on the real

35:29

talk. Right when

35:32

I ran for president, look like dirty

35:35

fist hour. So when I when

35:37

I ran for president, hit a real talk, right. So

35:41

we seen Kanye run Jordan's

35:45

Trump. I go way back like

35:47

saying, like with Trump, I'm just showing you, like

35:49

I remember one of my early shows

35:52

that I did, like with for

35:54

Donald Trump just before he was president,

35:57

and I have like a picture. I'm just

35:59

showing you this is like at the time

36:02

when I was running, right, So if I

36:04

was under your princess, I'm just giving you a different things.

36:06

The idea of a celebrity saying

36:09

like, yo, I'm going to run for office

36:12

of a country. They're like, yo, what you

36:14

want? What you want? Right?

36:16

So there was like, yo, cleft stole

36:19

money from his country. M right,

36:22

they took your whole people, they started doing

36:24

what you now, you're skiing politics.

36:26

It's called a smear campaign. Right, so

36:29

they start this smear campaign, and

36:32

then with the smear campaign, you

36:35

go from being most love.

36:38

This portion of the show is sponsored

36:40

by Blue Magic, had grease and Redtail

36:42

con.

36:44

You had chicken, yes sir, and

36:46

a doctor pepper.

36:47

You know what I know?

36:48

You did.

36:52

This ship right here?

36:56

They got your order

36:58

wrong, chicken on

37:00

the Kuracterfuck out?

37:03

What do you yet?

37:03

Guys? Put chicken on only

37:07

sang and reorder my ship only

37:09

shrink. Yeah,

37:12

work good. I can't eat that chicken shit. So we

37:14

so we picked back up. Yeah. So

37:17

so on real talk, I

37:20

ran for president and you all saw how they

37:22

came at me. Right now, we know what that's called.

37:24

It's called a smearing campaign. Smearing can

37:27

that's how they try to get you. Right. What made

37:29

me run and what made me think I could

37:31

be president is the most important thing, right,

37:33

So let's get into it. There's what you see

37:35

on camera, and there's what you see behind

37:37

the camera. I'm sing so before I ran

37:40

in two thousand and five, when

37:42

George Bush gave the order for

37:45

a colon powder or ip

37:47

to the general had to go to

37:49

Haiti and literally kidnapped

37:52

the president. At the time, I restive and

37:54

take them out the country. Right, it's

37:57

two thousand and five. I

37:59

remember watching

38:03

I was in Palis, I remember, and this was

38:05

like past those dates. And

38:08

I remember I'm watching TV and

38:12

the kid comes on the TV in Parish

38:15

and he says, the

38:18

only person that could make us put our guns

38:21

down is why Cleft Young? Now

38:24

why he say that? Because even as

38:26

a Fuji, the score the

38:29

Grammys put up my flag. Even

38:32

when I'm on doing music for Sony, I'm

38:35

still doing music and crayon and

38:37

I'm sending it back to Haiti the

38:39

same way Biggie would do music. And Brooklyn

38:42

feels like he you know that Biggie is a

38:44

Bible. So I would do music like that on over.

38:46

So there was always that connection with them.

38:49

So and that kid, his name is

38:51

Haysian Tupac. Now

38:53

let me show you how the gangs was working at Haiti.

38:59

Yeah, hear me? And then I

39:01

need everybody after this to go watch

39:04

the Ghost of Seat they Sole

39:07

and get deeper. All

39:09

of the kids that was in

39:11

the Seat they Sole at the time was

39:14

inspired by hip hop, so

39:17

they gave themselves hip

39:19

hop names. So go watch

39:21

the doc. You're gonna see fifty cent like

39:25

Sea calls himself fifty cent. He's

39:27

a Haitian and it goes on and on. So

39:30

we got a chance to do

39:32

a doc. You'll see it on these kids. So I want you to

39:35

get deep into the gang culture down there, just to understand

39:37

where it comes from. So just to say that

39:40

touched me when

39:42

he said that, and I said,

39:45

Yo, I'm done with music, Like what

39:47

other record can I possibly break? My

39:50

people need me? Slum

39:52

Dog Millionaire. I came from that village and

39:55

I'm gonna go back and put my entire

39:57

heart into that. Now what in

39:59

you y'all see behind the cameras me

40:02

and Haiti with all the gangs

40:04

at the time, saying look, I'm

40:06

gonna put this. If y'all see any of these trucks

40:09

coming and they have a year a Haiti sticker,

40:11

don't rob them, right. They

40:14

here to work for us, They here to work for

40:16

you, right. I was inside of

40:18

these communities with like women,

40:23

giving money out and having

40:25

them start small businesses. I

40:27

was the one that was getting on the plane

40:30

going from Haiti to Washington,

40:32

DC to negotiate with the

40:34

gangs wanted with the UN at

40:37

the time.

40:37

This is all me.

40:38

This is before I ran for president. I was

40:40

the one that went to Congress and was like, yo, dog

40:44

like at the end of the day, I

40:46

need you to pass this bill so

40:49

that the textile can be

40:51

on point and we could bring more job creations.

40:54

This is me.

40:55

This is not on camera.

40:56

This is what's happening in real time. So

40:59

when I ran, I knew

41:01

I could do it because I felt

41:03

like I was I was the face of

41:05

the country. Let me put you up on this last

41:08

game. Two hundred and two hundred

41:10

and fifty thousand people under the rubble,

41:12

all right. What made me think

41:14

I could do it? And where am I going to get the money?

41:17

Because Haiti is tied to the World

41:19

Bank and the IMF your cleft.

41:21

You know where you're gonna get that money from. Well,

41:25

I'm gonna get that money from the Environmental Fund.

41:28

And so what's that carbon credit? Literally

41:31

through carbing credit, I could have built my whole

41:33

country over You know what I'm saying to you, and

41:37

that literally probably go over some people's

41:39

head.

41:39

Just google cars me go

41:42

back.

41:42

Yeah.

41:42

And then Haiti being tied to the World Bank in the IML,

41:45

that's right.

41:46

So what that mean like Haiti being it's

41:48

so funny they called me the lawyer of the hook.

41:50

I got I break it down both ways and my brother

41:52

is the real lawyer though, So what that

41:54

means real simple? All

41:57

right, So here

41:59

you go. There's a house. Go

42:02

ahead, man, I'm gonna

42:04

give you this house. You can go ahead and live in it, but

42:07

you're making absolutely no money at all. Glad

42:11

you can live in it, but you're gonna pay

42:13

me one hundred

42:15

dollars a month literally

42:17

for the rest of your life. It's

42:20

almost like I set you in a structure

42:23

to fail right from the gate, because where

42:25

you're gonna get that money. So if you really

42:28

want to help Haiti, the first thing I would say,

42:30

clear Haiti's debt completely from

42:33

the French right from the

42:36

clear clear the debt,

42:38

world bang, everybody, you clear the debt because if

42:40

you want to really help me, you got to

42:42

start from scratch. But why wouldn't you do that? You

42:44

wouldn't do that because you'd be like, hold up, if

42:46

I clear Haiti debt, then I got to clear this person's

42:49

debt and that person's debt. So by

42:51

design, feel me, that's

42:53

how the ship set up. So again,

42:57

I am politically savvy, my nigga. So

42:59

now I'm fighting against a system that I

43:01

can't see you feel what I'm saying to you. So

43:04

I got a few mentors at the time. One

43:06

is Harry Belafanti. So

43:09

I got to reach out and I

43:12

go to Harriet and I'm like, yo, he

43:14

says, look, you're going to be fighting

43:17

the invisible hand. When

43:20

he said, if your hands is clean, you're

43:22

gonna come off balance and you're gonna

43:24

be able to help your people. So for

43:27

me has that experience, what

43:30

it is is they took me out

43:32

the race illegally. Did

43:35

I have power at the time to

43:37

push a button and Farrakhan

43:40

and shit up? Like when Fara Khan put

43:42

a million men out there? Did I?

43:44

Yeah?

43:44

I could have did that, but I

43:46

felt like I ain't want blood in my hands.

43:49

So I told the youth, he who fights and walk

43:51

away live to fight another

43:53

day. So it's like, at the end of the day, what

43:56

did I learn? I said, Man I

43:58

need good government because if I'm invest

44:00

in money in Jamaica, I'm investing

44:03

in Africa, and I'm investing

44:05

an Antigua and in different places. Why

44:08

can't I built my own point to color in my

44:10

own country. I got enough enough

44:13

connections and I have enough ways. I'm

44:16

smart. I how to raise money. I do it in other

44:18

countries. So for me, the

44:20

lesson that I learned is we need better

44:23

governance to move forward.

44:26

Now, they try to make it seem like Haiti is

44:28

so poor, right, but it's this. I can't

44:30

remember the name of it.

44:31

It's this. It's this, I

44:34

think. I want to say.

44:34

It's a rare earth element that they make microchips

44:37

out of that they only get

44:39

from Haiti.

44:40

Yeah, Haiti has a lot of things. Haiti has a lot

44:42

of minerals there, like a natural resource.

44:45

Yes, So what I'm going to

44:47

tell you about Haiti is this. And keep

44:50

in mind you said something earlier which was ill.

44:52

So in five

44:55

percenter, you know you might hear jay Z say

44:57

peace guard, right or different peace

44:59

guard. So we have something called knowledge itself.

45:02

So knowledge itself is like you really

45:04

understand what's going on. So at the end of the

45:06

day, King This is what I want you to know.

45:09

Whatever you see they say

45:12

is the poorest place in the world. Remember

45:16

when they used to say Africa the poorest place

45:18

in the world, and then we didn't want to go. You

45:20

know what I'm saying. First time I went to Africa, I

45:23

was so like into like the Black Power

45:25

movement. I showed up with Dashiki

45:27

niggas is wearing roka where they're like, Nigga, what

45:30

year are you from?

45:31

Right?

45:31

Because I thought you hear what I'm saying. You fail

45:33

me because you got back from Donna.

45:35

You go over there and see how

45:37

they live in and you have this perception

45:40

that these people are flies on the face

45:42

and the arms of the agel.

45:43

No like that. No, they money, they

45:46

got they get money. Yeah,

45:49

But to your point, King, natural

45:51

resources is the game. So what you've

45:54

seen Africa has started to

45:56

do now is the youth have

45:58

declared that they want the natural

46:00

resources back. That's what's going

46:02

on. So now, so

46:05

now in Haiti, you

46:07

know, and I know all the Haitians are watching this, and

46:10

I'm gonna say this. We have a

46:13

puppet prime minister

46:15

right now in Haiti, you know, and I know he's

46:18

watching this. So this is perfect. So

46:20

his term was supposed to be only

46:22

for four months. After they

46:25

went in, they assassinated the Haitian

46:27

president, the Colombians they went in right

46:29

twenty two whatever, they set up whatever, And

46:32

again I think the Colombians was just a pawn

46:34

for the bigger picture of what was going

46:37

on. So this dude that's literally

46:39

been here in four months, he's

46:41

been here three years going on three years, supposed to be four

46:43

months. We have acts for him to leave. So

46:46

we're demanding that he needs because we

46:48

don't need the country to get into a

46:51

crazier situation, you know what I mean? Because

46:54

what are the youth demanding now? The youth

46:56

want the natural resources back? What are

46:58

they demanding now? They want engine cation. Like,

47:01

if you find a situation to give

47:03

a nigga a job, he gonna put that gun down.

47:05

He's gonna come work for you. So that's

47:08

sort of like where we're at now. You feel

47:10

me, and you.

47:11

Said they try to assassinate you too, It's

47:14

all a lot.

47:17

How quick we ain't doing it? Your

47:19

nigga's trying to kill me. Yeah,

47:25

you could read up on it. You

47:28

could read up on it.

47:29

You know.

47:30

When I ran they try to fight me, and

47:32

that's just how it goes. And then you know, again,

47:36

there's what social media, thank you enough, there's

47:38

what social media that

47:40

could amplify something. There's always the reality

47:42

because you got the conspiracy theorist online

47:45

this.

47:45

Is true, where.

47:48

They'll try to paint different pictures of

47:50

what happened. Yeah, they try

47:52

to assassinate me. That's what happened, and

47:55

it's obvious. All you gotta do is look at what they

47:57

did to the president when they

47:59

rolled up in his crib. But again, beyond

48:04

the fact of whatever they

48:06

did at me and came at me, why the

48:08

fuck or

48:10

a nigga trying to run to be

48:13

president of

48:15

a country that they call a poorous country in Western

48:17

Hemans fan because I know that that's

48:20

not true. That place is

48:22

wealthy and resource man gold,

48:25

oil, copper, lithium.

48:29

The people.

48:30

You heard that, The people are what you call

48:33

right, and then they're under like twenty the new millennials.

48:36

It's insane and guess what they want. They just

48:38

want job creations in education. So

48:41

I feel that in the course

48:43

of history, because we live in our lives now, two

48:47

hundred years from now, they're gonna judge us. So

48:49

some things you do now ain't gonna be popular

48:52

to the public. They're just not gonna get it. But

48:54

in history, my nigga, they don't understand

48:56

it. That's right. So when you look back at

48:58

history and you go so two

49:01

thousand and twelve,

49:04

whatever the year was, at an earthquake, and you'd be like, where

49:06

was Clef? Where was why Klef? That

49:09

nigga that came from the village that was riding a donkey.

49:11

If it's like, oh, well he was

49:13

shaking his hips with Shakira and

49:16

he was with Santana, but we never saw

49:18

him on the island. And

49:20

in history because the only thing they're gonna care

49:22

about is this how you move a culture forward.

49:24

That's shit called a ridium.

49:27

Well, we could talk about iridium. So iridium

49:30

no, I got you so, and then we're the second

49:32

in the world. Are just with iridium.

49:35

I gotta shake your hand on that. Now, everybody

49:37

that's watching that, google this word aridian

49:39

in Haiti. Okay, this is

49:42

some of the fight. Why because as

49:44

we move forward into the future, here's

49:46

another jew for all the kings

49:49

and queens watching you. Ridium

49:51

is going to be needed because now you're

49:54

moving into a green environment,

49:56

everything is friendly. You're gonna need

49:58

that for your cars, for all

50:00

of like where we go, electric vehicles

50:03

and all of that, so you're

50:05

gonna.

50:05

Need all that.

50:07

So as we speak, this is what's

50:09

happening right now. So no, we're not the

50:12

poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.

50:14

We actually one of the richest

50:17

countries in natural resources. We're

50:19

being ripped off, that's

50:21

what's happening. But that's crazy.

50:23

But because we talked, I

50:25

found out I got Jamaican in my blood and

50:27

my native so.

50:28

Do gang you fear me?

50:30

Yeah, it's just I.

50:32

Love hearing about the Maroons and

50:34

just about how y'all fight for

50:38

the rights, and like you're saying now that the young

50:40

millennia was like, we just want our resources, we just

50:42

want to create, and it's like it always

50:45

seems.

50:45

Like what's stopping us is the

50:47

government. And just to hear you say, we

50:50

just need a clean government and we have a clean, straight

50:52

government where straight Yeah, y'all

50:54

need a clean government. You said something earlier

50:57

Jamaica and Haiti with the shots. How

50:59

do we feel about that? Just a little historical

51:02

fact before I move on. Bouman was

51:04

from Jamaica. He was barely twelve.

51:07

He was a Jamaican who went to Haiti

51:09

and was part of the Haitian Revolution. You

51:11

wouldn't have the Haitian Revolution without

51:14

having Buutman. That's what makes us

51:17

closer than more separated. But they

51:19

ain't want to give us that a history. You know what I'm saying

51:21

to you. To your point, we said we need

51:23

clean a government and clean a governance.

51:25

How do we get to that? Y'all get

51:28

to that to y'all, y'all got to

51:30

demand it. So that's what we tell the youth

51:33

in Haiti. Nobody is bigger

51:35

than y'all. The people y'all hit

51:37

the streets. Y'all can't like back up

51:40

like you know what I mean, you saw what happened in Sri Lanka,

51:42

like you literally if you got to run up in that

51:44

White House and tell the people that's what we

51:47

want as a unit, that's how.

51:49

You got to move.

51:50

And the power is within the youth.

51:52

And of course, yeah, I

51:55

do know a lot, because you ain't just gonna run

51:57

for president with our understanding what

51:59

the bad side channels are and how they

52:01

move. But nobody is bigger than the

52:03

people. My family. They can't murder

52:06

a million people period.

52:07

Many getting back to the music.

52:09

I gotta ask, man, because you are a part

52:12

of one of the biggest groups in hip

52:14

hop is and music history, like and

52:17

y'all getting back together to go back on tour, like

52:19

you when you know one of my

52:22

favorite lines in any music is then

52:24

the Fuji's gonna break up? And every day I wake

52:26

up, somebody got something to say, Like just that power

52:28

that you had as a group. When did you realize

52:31

that y'all were at the status where

52:33

people loved y'all worldwide?

52:35

The way that they do Fujis

52:37

is short for refugees, and right from

52:39

the gate, we ain't want to do music. We

52:41

wanted to do a movement we called the

52:43

refugees, so we could touch you if you're in the

52:46

States, but also in a suit Dan, we

52:48

touch you to you in a feveelism Brazil,

52:51

touch you to you in South Africa. So it

52:54

became bigger than us. It's not us, It's

52:57

like, that's why last year, if you show

52:59

up at the talk, we barely did promotions. Everything

53:02

slowed out stadium, right because

53:05

when people show up and we make you

53:07

feel good, right, because what happens is

53:10

like when you listen to Bob Marley, like you feel

53:12

good, Like it's like what happened to that energy?

53:14

So that's sort of like how

53:17

it started off. For us. It was more we

53:19

wanted to be a movement, you know what I'm saying

53:21

too. And guess what, when you get

53:24

like older, you get wiser, like meaning

53:26

like it's

53:29

so deep to me now because it's like you create

53:31

something and and

53:34

I don't think people understand like

53:37

when we say like we bought,

53:40

we took hip hop, and the way we bought

53:42

hip hop to Europe, no

53:44

one has ever. It's

53:47

it's like we we we Harriot

53:49

tubning it right, so that it's

53:52

like okay, we're we're out there and it's like, okay, well

53:55

who's going to open up for us? Let's bring

53:57

jay Z open Up's bring nas

53:59

Because at the end of the day, we

54:02

felt like that

54:04

the energy and what the people should be getting

54:07

is what's real because it is going

54:09

to start to circulate around the world and

54:12

because where we come from, it was

54:14

created from where we came from, so we needed

54:17

people to get that. Or again in Long b Yeah,

54:20

and before us, you know, you had like the Melly Nails

54:23

and those guys that was going out there. But I feel

54:25

like when we came in and another

54:27

thing we killed was the stereotype

54:31

of hip hop is a microphone,

54:33

the two turntables. Fuji's

54:35

killed that. So that was another thing

54:38

in Europe like it shocked them, Like

54:40

when they see motherfucker showing up

54:42

playing instruments, when they hear Lauren

54:44

Hill singing and they see me playing

54:47

keys, it's messing them up because

54:49

they have an ideology of what hip

54:51

hop is. And again, as

54:54

keepers of the culture, we wanted to

54:56

show them that Noah, hip hop is everything. Think

54:58

about it. I remember when we was coming out people

55:00

it was like, it's not hip hop. They said it's

55:02

alternative because we were singing

55:04

the melodies. And now look today,

55:08

Nook for year we're in. You know what I'm

55:10

saying, you got to oh no,

55:13

But if you don't have if you can't

55:15

walk it out, if you can't

55:17

walk with the melodies, you ain't saying nothing.

55:20

You You've generated billions

55:22

of dollars Like globally,

55:25

where did you learn the music business from.

55:28

It's so funny that you say that. So we're

55:31

in twenty twenty four now,

55:34

right, and I was looking and

55:36

I was like, oh wow, over

55:39

a billion views for Shakira hipstone

55:41

Line. Right then I was like, okay, over

55:43

a billion views for Avic

55:46

Avichi's My God. He thought he actually

55:48

started e DM. He was a genius. And

55:50

this is what I want kids to know. This

55:53

is the facts. So

55:56

we produced killing Me Softly, Miss

56:00

Hill a ka oh boogie saying

56:04

killing me Softly before my

56:06

generation was the ROBERTA. Flack

56:09

generation, and y'all know the Lauren

56:11

Hill version? Right? So who

56:14

wrote it? We ain't write

56:16

the shit, So here goes to the game. Now we're going to get into financial

56:19

literacy. Let's talk about it. So here goes

56:21

the game. We ain't write it, but

56:24

we performed it and it was

56:26

amazing, and we made somebody

56:29

eight million dollars. Right, So

56:31

that mean that whoever was the composer

56:34

who wrote it was literally sleeping

56:36

in his bed and he made

56:38

eight million dollars like that, right, And then

56:40

now look at how big that version

56:43

is, So that person copyright

56:46

has generated them millions

56:49

and millions of dollars. So

56:52

this is the game. So royalties,

56:55

but bigger than royalties. Publishing

56:59

the game is to own your own copyright

57:01

and your own composition. The game

57:03

is the power of licensing

57:06

dig your publishing is your real estate.

57:09

So you're publishing is your real estate game, because

57:12

you know how once you invest in real estate, it

57:14

could be thirty years down from now, like

57:16

you're still gonna get money from that property. You can

57:18

flip it whatever you want to do. So and

57:20

saying that, I was like, Okay, I

57:24

need to be on the other side of the game. I

57:28

need to be on the side of when I'm fifty four,

57:30

I could be sleeping and

57:32

then I don't have to worry about picking up

57:34

an instrument. So I'll just give

57:36

you one example. So the phone

57:39

goes off, Yo,

57:41

man, what's up? My brother?

57:43

You know me the best, right Regie

57:47

Wahama Klin. We go way back right

57:49

to this a shot, he

57:51

said, Yo, yeah, and you know and

57:53

then you know, so my brother is

57:57

very excited when he has visions. Yo,

57:59

I got this vision, man, Remember

58:01

the song you wrote, Maria,

58:04

Maria Man, I got this vision.

58:06

You know, I

58:08

think you can get Santana and boom boom boom boom.

58:10

Right, but I

58:14

owned the majority of so, so

58:17

I hit up the Godfather Santana

58:20

and I just put him with cal right. So,

58:23

but keep in mind the actual composition

58:25

itself, right, is a y cleft Jerry

58:28

Wonder composition. So that means

58:30

that now we're talking we're

58:32

talking big now because we're

58:34

talking about we own the building. So now

58:37

you want you gotta pay rent for the building.

58:40

So now watch this. So now of

58:43

course DJ Khaled gets Rianna

58:45

Ice and Taeler makes

58:47

some shit ahead. I

58:50

was a baby and I sat on the keyboard and was like boom

58:52

boom boom boom boom.

58:57

Right, now, what

58:59

does that mean? That's a billion streams?

59:02

So what does that mean When I'm at

59:05

the super Bowl and I'm going to get There's

59:07

countless images of this thing, so

59:09

you look at it and say, well, what does that mean? Every

59:12

time? That it

59:14

could be a billion streams of Calin and

59:16

Rianna. But the composition

59:19

itself is

59:21

the real estate. So that means that this is

59:23

what you call. You got to teach

59:25

this in financial literacy, so the way

59:28

that you get wealthy. Everybody's

59:30

popping when they twenty and twenty one and twenty

59:32

two, like you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

59:35

I was my own main weather at twenty one

59:37

and twenty two, you know what I'm saying. But I'm

59:39

fifty four. So what used

59:42

to matter to me doesn't matter. But

59:45

when I'm twenty five, the ice that

59:47

I wear like it matters to me, you know what I'm

59:49

saying to you. But now fifty four, the

59:52

ice has to translate into buildings, into

59:54

small islands, into you know,

59:57

investments. So how do you get there?

59:59

And the way that y'all get there is y'all

1:00:01

got to make sure that y'all have ownership. It

1:00:04

could be O don't and don't think of it like music,

1:00:06

think of it as intellectual property.

1:00:08

My nigga, if you say one phrase. I

1:00:11

remember Pete I freaking

1:00:14

was doing one song one time, and all I wanted

1:00:16

to say was let's get ready to rumbull

1:00:19

And I did niggas just like, yo, you gotta

1:00:21

go clear it. I was like, hey,

1:00:24

you know you could pattern this slogan. Do you

1:00:26

know how let's start with battle rap? Do

1:00:28

you know how many slogans is in battle rap?

1:00:31

That if they understood that and

1:00:33

they went and patting

1:00:35

their own slogan that little

1:00:38

because that's the culture. They take those

1:00:40

languages and it becomes it's like Shakespearean.

1:00:43

So I ain't just talking about just music,

1:00:46

just everything in general, you know, what I'm saying to you all

1:00:48

the way down to his

1:00:51

generation one generation. You

1:00:53

gotta retirement plan.

1:00:56

Now.

1:00:56

The thing is, when I was your

1:00:59

age and I saw somebody retiring,

1:01:02

I was like, Oh, they're about to die. They're gonna

1:01:05

go to Miami, get a little condo, live

1:01:07

out their life in the beast. They're gonna die. Yo, I'm

1:01:10

fifty poor. I didn't even start living yet.

1:01:13

Hell right.

1:01:14

So the thing is, but somebody gotta be

1:01:16

like, Yo, start saving that bank

1:01:18

when you're twenty something. Look up the policies,

1:01:21

look at the benefits that you can get at

1:01:23

your age. All of this is important

1:01:25

because you if you constantly want

1:01:27

to maintain that fly lifestyle, you constantly

1:01:30

want to live it, then you gotta start

1:01:32

early and start saving early. You

1:01:35

gotta stack save

1:01:37

piggybank early. Yeah.

1:01:44

The Score? Why the Score? What why

1:01:46

that name for that classic album?

1:01:49

Well, we felt like we had to come and settle the Score

1:01:51

because we felt like we

1:01:54

was is

1:01:56

the word underrated, underestimated,

1:01:59

And then we felt like when we

1:02:01

did Blunted on Reality, you

1:02:03

know that album the first so the Freshman

1:02:05

album went comper, you know what I'm saying

1:02:07

too, And then it went Copper and we felt like

1:02:09

we was misunderstood and the reason why we

1:02:12

felt was misunderstood. Off camera,

1:02:14

I was telling y'all the Fujis was

1:02:16

signed to Legem. That's a cooling

1:02:19

the Gang brother production team.

1:02:21

So calise beyond my man. That did r

1:02:24

ipter and he passed away Jungle

1:02:27

Bulgie, She's fresh, exciting,

1:02:30

celebrate every ladyes

1:02:36

not come they producing.

1:02:38

You think I'm gonna say something so you

1:02:41

know, and he's like, Yo, this is the direction at

1:02:43

the time. So at the time, there was a group

1:02:45

called Onyx. Yeah

1:02:50

remember boy

1:02:53

so being like, we had an energy

1:02:55

when we was performing live. He wanted

1:02:57

to translate that to the album and

1:03:00

and that didn't go off well

1:03:03

with the hip hop audience

1:03:05

in America not in Europe.

1:03:07

I'll just give you an example. And then so

1:03:10

on that album, I remember asking

1:03:12

him. I was like, Yo, can I produce one song? And

1:03:15

he was like what I said, I have an idea,

1:03:18

just an acoustic guitar and

1:03:20

Roman over an acoustic guitar, and that

1:03:23

ended up being vocal. And then

1:03:25

Lauren was like could she get one? And

1:03:27

hers ended up being some seek

1:03:30

stardom, you know, but they forget

1:03:32

Harlem and then so when you listen to

1:03:34

those two records, you could

1:03:36

just see like if we had that shot.

1:03:39

Meanwhile, while that's going on, we get back

1:03:41

to the Booker basement in the hood, were cooking

1:03:43

on that MP. You know what I'm saying, Like that ready

1:03:46

or not? You hear that sample came

1:03:48

from a Sleepwalker.

1:03:51

It was an old sample from Sleepwalker. We

1:03:53

up in the hood. I was

1:03:55

smoking and I fell asleep to

1:03:58

that sample in your shit and

1:04:01

it was in a movie on a VCR. And then

1:04:04

I remember waking up. I

1:04:06

remember Spub

1:04:09

McKenzie, woke up to the dog,

1:04:11

Spub McKenzie with one foot and then

1:04:13

it hit me. I was like, Yo, if a

1:04:16

dog can be famous in America, ain't

1:04:18

no way. We ain't gonna be famous. I

1:04:20

remember, like again, simple

1:04:22

record to Tom. This is

1:04:24

what people don't understand. So now you can do a

1:04:26

whole album in your basement, you can

1:04:29

do it in your room, you could do it anywhere.

1:04:31

You know what. We did that whole album at thirty

1:04:33

years ago, right in the hood, in a

1:04:36

booger basement, in my uncle's basement. That's

1:04:38

another part of us, we engineers. So

1:04:41

imagine like we got to get the room built,

1:04:44

the patch baby built. I'm

1:04:46

talking about the whole old MCI board. Take

1:04:48

everything like we was our home computers at

1:04:50

the time. When you listen to like all

1:04:52

that joint, I'm like this roll

1:04:55

the tape I'm pulling

1:04:57

when the base come out, So all of the math is in

1:04:59

my head. I'm doing hand automation.

1:05:02

It's not on no need So at the

1:05:05

end of the day, it's like, that's what

1:05:07

I'm trying to tell people, Like the Fujis

1:05:09

are architects scientists,

1:05:12

because think about what everyone's doing

1:05:14

right now. You can do it with a laptop. My

1:05:16

nigga, we was doing our shit with

1:05:18

no laptop. So you can have

1:05:20

an artist who's a dope rapper. You

1:05:23

can have a dope artist who's a dope businessman,

1:05:25

a good singer, whatever. But

1:05:28

I'm telling you what we've

1:05:31

what you heard, we built it from

1:05:33

our hands, like from scratch, guttering

1:05:35

the basement, putting the panels

1:05:38

up, building a patch base, going

1:05:40

to Junkyard sales, I'll

1:05:43

take this, I'll take that, and

1:05:45

from this in birth the score. So

1:05:48

we did that because we was like we

1:05:50

come to settle the score.

1:05:52

That's great.

1:05:53

Fifty years of hip hop man, did you ever

1:05:56

think you would see it?

1:05:58

Fifty years make billion dollars?

1:06:01

Fifty years of hip hop is

1:06:04

amazing, And I think that we

1:06:06

all are awoke now

1:06:09

to a whole nother level. And what I

1:06:11

want everybody to look at is as

1:06:14

we move into these next twenty

1:06:16

five years of hip hop, being

1:06:20

a billionaire is

1:06:22

not It's not like they're

1:06:25

giving you a gift. You

1:06:28

deserve to be a billionaire because

1:06:31

you've consumed and have made

1:06:34

companies billions and billions of dollars.

1:06:37

So at the end of the day, understanding

1:06:40

that, what's amazing to look at

1:06:42

the next twenty five years is how savvy

1:06:45

this generation is and how remember

1:06:47

when Jay was like, I'm

1:06:49

gonna make y'all pay for what y'all did to the coke crush.

1:06:51

You see what I'm saying to you. So it's like, at the end

1:06:53

of the day, it's like we've

1:06:57

leveled off in positions of power, all

1:06:59

of us and in different sectors, right,

1:07:02

But it's really only a few of us, Like

1:07:05

it's really a handful, But

1:07:07

we came in with hundreds and thousands

1:07:09

of them, and it's

1:07:12

a handful. So the thing is, when we

1:07:14

look at the next twenty five years. What

1:07:16

we want to make sure is when

1:07:19

he's my age, it's

1:07:21

like there's no longer a handful,

1:07:23

Like it's a complete movement, you know what I'm saying

1:07:26

to you, where it's like, okay, that's

1:07:29

right, because they balanced out in a way

1:07:31

of like generational wealth, like

1:07:35

roth Child style wealth.

1:07:37

Peo was talking about earlier about the jay Z

1:07:39

Land. We said, and then the food is gonna break up.

1:07:41

So clearly they had fucked this day up. No

1:07:44

group wants to break up. How did you

1:07:46

deal with that shit?

1:07:47

Knowing that you got one of the dopest groups y'all and

1:07:49

sold the most albums musically

1:07:51

y'all just in sync.

1:07:53

Like, how did you deal with that?

1:07:55

Well? I mean, when I look back at it, we was

1:07:59

Child's outstarts. It's

1:08:01

kids starts, like I can

1:08:03

see it now and I look back. But

1:08:06

when I'm a kid, I don't

1:08:08

know. I'm a kid? Right, So

1:08:11

what do you gonna do? You're gonna make mistakes. Now

1:08:14

when you become wrong, what do you do? Your

1:08:17

consolation? You apologize

1:08:20

for everybody that you did wrong, because now you start

1:08:22

to understand it because it's

1:08:24

not just my story, right,

1:08:27

It's long before me, there was somebody

1:08:29

else long before that person that was somebody

1:08:31

else. What it

1:08:34

did was it

1:08:36

made the reconsolation even

1:08:39

more stronger. And you

1:08:41

you're gonna understand what I'm saying for

1:08:44

probably next twelve months. Right.

1:08:47

So, But it's like we

1:08:51

see the mountains and ship and be like, yo, it's

1:08:53

mountains dope. Yeah,

1:08:56

you know, let's dope.

1:08:58

But my nigga, if we were still like smoker l

1:09:00

and then sit back and then jump

1:09:02

on some science shit on how the mountain

1:09:05

began the mountain, you know what I'm

1:09:07

saying, from the conductions and all of that, we'd

1:09:09

be like, oh, so at the end of the day, of

1:09:12

course it fucked everybody day up, you know what I'm

1:09:14

saying to you. But it's sort of like sometimes

1:09:18

you can question what happens at the time,

1:09:21

but then later it all makes sense,

1:09:23

you know what I'm saying to you. I

1:09:26

felt like if

1:09:29

that happened, you wouldn't have got The Miseducation

1:09:31

I was just about, which was a very insane

1:09:34

and important album. You wouldn't have got the Carnival.

1:09:36

You wouldn't have got so again, like

1:09:38

you wouldn't have got someone please call nine one one like

1:09:41

think about The mis Education. The Miseducation

1:09:44

was an album that is

1:09:46

like a bible.

1:09:48

One of the greatest albums.

1:09:49

Come on, I gotta ask though, as

1:09:51

a rumor that I've always heard, I got to ask

1:09:53

you directly, was you

1:09:56

just.

1:09:56

Lost one of this song to wat left.

1:10:02

You might win song? She

1:10:04

really loves Money?

1:10:06

How money changed the situation? That whole

1:10:08

is that? Is that a good song to watch?

1:10:11

That? I mean, I couldn't

1:10:13

answer that because I didn't write the song right.

1:10:16

But I'm a battle rapper, so

1:10:18

I'm gonna dress you direct when I address

1:10:20

you. So do

1:10:23

I think the song is about me versus

1:10:26

that that's a different question.

1:10:28

Well, okay, do you think that the song was about

1:10:30

you at the time?

1:10:42

Said?

1:10:47

Who was your reaction when you heard it? And you really just

1:10:49

sat there and listen to shaid fuck.

1:10:55

You got you?

1:10:56

You take an L. You gotta take the L keep

1:10:58

it moving. That's it.

1:11:01

But you can work with anybody, bro, you

1:11:03

can. You can go from Shakira to Ying

1:11:06

Yang twins. I loved

1:11:08

that motherfucking Santana bro

1:11:10

saying you got a new joint with buler

1:11:13

Brook and push your tea.

1:11:14

Yeah. So this chapter two I'm

1:11:16

inspired again to start to put workout.

1:11:20

So for me, it starts off

1:11:22

with my production brain. So I

1:11:24

got approached by a company called t i A. We

1:11:27

was talking earlier on getting

1:11:29

your paper right, and I was

1:11:31

like, what, who can convey that

1:11:34

message in a way like for

1:11:37

the YouTube. Don't feel like I'm preaching to them, you know what

1:11:39

I'm saying. So I put a scenario

1:11:42

together, like as a producer. So I was like, Okay,

1:11:44

let me get a little labrook J,

1:11:48

push your t Coppella gray

1:11:50

and just put a combination together.

1:11:53

Yeah.

1:11:59

Remember she was the one she was doing ready

1:12:01

or Not on Ready or Not be That's why they had

1:12:03

come out crazy. She's fired Now.

1:12:05

We talked music all the time as

1:12:07

a producer who's produced some of the biggest hits.

1:12:10

When you get a track, do you still just do

1:12:12

you just leave that bitch? Or you have to produce a little

1:12:14

bit no matter who you get it from.

1:12:15

I don't get you. I don't get it. I don't get

1:12:18

tracks. I built them from scratch.

1:12:19

That's what I'm saying.

1:12:20

I get this point.

1:12:21

So I built it from scratch. But you

1:12:23

can call me and say I got a track

1:12:26

and I want you to come

1:12:29

and be on it. So one example is young

1:12:31

Thuck. You know what I mean.

1:12:36

That crazy? So really.

1:12:39

You know, start with prison reform and

1:12:42

when we say free to slime, we really mean

1:12:44

that. Like at the end of the day, we

1:12:46

all could have been within that situation period.

1:12:49

So you know, Dougle

1:12:52

brings me to the studio. I remember it was

1:12:54

his birthday and we're

1:12:57

catching a vibe and they

1:13:01

have to beat. You know what I'm saying to you, and it's

1:13:03

there. And then so certain

1:13:05

things I can feel right on the spot, you know what I'm

1:13:07

saying to you. So there's things that you produce

1:13:10

and then there's things that you wish you produced

1:13:13

right and you feel what I'm saying thing, So

1:13:16

no, come on, I could go to every doctor, dress,

1:13:19

every Kanye. So I'm just saying like, so at the end

1:13:21

of the day, as a producer, you hear

1:13:23

things and you're like, yo, that

1:13:26

shit is so crazy, and the it inspires you too,

1:13:28

you know what I'm saying to you. So as a were

1:13:31

always pushing the envelope. So I think with this new

1:13:33

joint that we have again it's

1:13:35

twenty twenty four, I started the production.

1:13:38

This record is called payper right, I'm

1:13:41

in a vibe. I'm in a zone and

1:13:44

the zone ain't gonna stop. We have we feel

1:13:46

it again? How do you how do you okay?

1:13:49

You know, how do you get on why Cliff Radar

1:13:51

just like Loler brook Flage

1:13:54

and then you put the push your t there?

1:13:56

That shit just crazy.

1:13:57

You got to offer be a fan of them?

1:13:59

Yeah, you know, how did

1:14:01

she get on White Cliff right off?

1:14:02

Man?

1:14:03

Cause you be over there building welles with bonow

1:14:05

you and hated running for president.

1:14:08

I don't know, man, I just might have to spit some bars

1:14:11

because based on what you just said right there, you

1:14:13

said, nigga be building wells, Like,

1:14:15

I don't have time for this shit. But

1:14:20

when you're a fan of the culture,

1:14:23

you're a fan of the culture. So it's like if

1:14:26

I tell you, like if

1:14:29

Murder Mook is watching this, he'll

1:14:31

tell you like I was in the

1:14:33

studio with Murder Move it was like twenty years

1:14:35

ago, just doing records, right,

1:14:38

you know, Like so it's like,

1:14:42

I love Remember I was telling you I never

1:14:44

ain't really wanted to be famous. I keep saying

1:14:46

that I wanted to be like Quincy. You

1:14:48

want to be able composer. So people be

1:14:50

like, yo, man, how do you feel that

1:14:53

you ain't the top five best rappers

1:14:55

of all times? Right? I said? I

1:14:57

said, nigga, I a compos

1:15:00

So I need you to judge me as a composer.

1:15:02

Like, as a composer, who does what I do? I

1:15:05

mean, I just showed you some ship offline like

1:15:08

this's long before everybody whatever. I

1:15:10

was at Carnegie Hall with the

1:15:12

Tucks conducting the phil Harmonic

1:15:15

Orchestra. Talk. You feel what I'm saying?

1:15:17

So that that to me, Yeah,

1:15:19

that's who we are. You feel what I'm saying to you. Fact

1:15:24

I think you know.

1:15:27

You know.

1:15:32

I'm like, maybe I should brag more as a rapper.

1:15:35

I don't do that. But Carnegie Hall, Yeah,

1:15:38

Carnegie Hall. But it's history. That's why you got

1:15:41

Carnegie Hall. That's the one. I'm the first

1:15:44

rapper ever full phil

1:15:47

Harmonic Orchestra one night

1:15:49

with y Clift. Everybody is

1:15:52

there. I reroute everybody's music. Destiny

1:15:55

Child, they there, Stevie Wonder be there,

1:15:57

Whitney Houston, she's there, Charlotte

1:15:59

Chuck she's there. Eric Clapton

1:16:02

he there, third and everybody came for

1:16:04

me because I wanted to redefined

1:16:08

Carnegie Hall because I felt like when I was younger,

1:16:10

I felt like that Hall was intimidating

1:16:13

to like us, like they felt like we couldn't be

1:16:15

in that call. So literally, and

1:16:18

so when I showed when you look at this why Cleff

1:16:20

and Friends at Carnegie Hall, My front

1:16:22

band is all kids, so literally,

1:16:25

the oldest one is sixteen. So

1:16:28

and I was calling them cleft kids because in

1:16:30

high school, as a jazz major, you

1:16:32

know what I'm saying, I felt like I was super

1:16:35

advanced. So at Carnegie Hall, I bought

1:16:37

all of these kids and I gave them

1:16:39

that chance, you know what I'm saying to you. And a little bit

1:16:41

of hip hop history. My

1:16:43

first music video ever, I

1:16:46

was an extra for Eric B and rock

1:16:48

Kim upright base, don't

1:16:50

sweat the technique, that's Lord,

1:16:56

and I got it because I knew the fingering of

1:16:58

the upright right because I it up right.

1:17:00

So the CFF note.

1:17:04

Man, man, what's crazy?

1:17:05

Man?

1:17:05

My dad was a theologian man. He was just a

1:17:08

ip to him, but he was just like

1:17:11

religious crazy. So so why Cliff

1:17:13

John. He actually named me after

1:17:16

the Reformitator,

1:17:18

the first translation of Matthew Mark

1:17:20

Luke and John by why Cliff John from England

1:17:23

who inspired the Lutheran

1:17:26

doctrines later. So that's how the

1:17:28

nigga named me why Cliff John. So

1:17:30

he always thought like I would pick up after

1:17:32

them and be a minister or something.

1:17:35

I got different being

1:17:37

the first one to do Connegie Hall. I don't know if

1:17:39

you've noticed that everybody's doing that now. I

1:17:42

just hosted something for while at the Kennedy

1:17:44

Center where he did a live band.

1:17:46

Tip just did a live orchestray.

1:17:47

So you go back, go back.

1:17:49

Everybody's doing it now. So you were the first

1:17:52

one to ever do that.

1:17:53

And then not only being

1:17:55

at Carnegie Hall is one thing, but

1:17:58

the orchestration, writing

1:18:00

all the sheet music, like I'm saying

1:18:03

like yeah, and then

1:18:05

being a conductor.

1:18:08

Is you wrote the music?

1:18:09

Yeah, I wrote, you

1:18:12

write the music and every like if I'm doing

1:18:14

a back piece, I'm gonna construct it from

1:18:17

backwards to forward because I hear it a

1:18:19

different way. Yeah,

1:18:24

So if I'm doing yeah, So shout out actually

1:18:26

to my music teacher from high school because

1:18:28

she the one that that that that literally

1:18:30

started teaching me how to read music and

1:18:32

get into it. So that's really me,

1:18:35

Like at the end of the day. I was that kid

1:18:37

from the hood that could defy anything.

1:18:40

I didn't want to do what the average was doing. It's

1:18:42

almost like a nigga pick up a golf

1:18:45

stick, right, and they go, well,

1:18:47

you're not supposed to wear this jacket. It's green.

1:18:49

It's a master's jacket because of

1:18:51

the color of your skin. You feel what I'm saying. So it's

1:18:54

like when you when the reason

1:18:56

why he's he's amp like that. A composer

1:18:58

is not addition subtraction. It's

1:19:01

like calculus, like you're

1:19:03

doing the highest level of math and you moving

1:19:05

at real time. You got to make

1:19:09

it sound real, one

1:19:11

sound, make it one sound like And when

1:19:13

you git gone to November. Yeah, okay,

1:19:15

so gone to November. That's

1:19:18

the Philharmonic Orchestra.

1:19:20

No, so I did so again, that's

1:19:22

a that's a hip hop record with

1:19:25

a symphony in it. So I put orchestra

1:19:28

inside of hip hop music. So that's all

1:19:30

this stuff that I do and continue

1:19:32

to do. Probably just got to

1:19:35

talk about it more because niggas be happening now.

1:19:37

On one.

1:19:37

Send you a thank you letter for that goddamn song

1:19:39

you wrote someone Please.

1:19:45

Yo, you know I hurt you have to be a nigga to

1:19:47

call nine one one knowing and police be killing people.

1:19:50

You like, still show up. Yeah,

1:19:53

but how do you look at it now? Because just just

1:19:55

hearing about you saying.

1:19:56

You're a composer because I love me, that's

1:19:58

my passion.

1:20:00

So just to hear people takes

1:20:02

on, you know, certain levels when it comes to the music.

1:20:04

When you say I'm a composer.

1:20:07

When it was important at a time when you had

1:20:09

to learn to read music, you

1:20:12

had to know all twelve

1:20:14

skills.

1:20:15

I'm about to put you off. Got to know it. And then now

1:20:17

you see that.

1:20:19

It's computerized and motherfuckers

1:20:22

can cheat it and it's not really

1:20:24

If somebody will put some xylophone

1:20:26

sticks in your hand and be like, play.

1:20:27

Me you twin skills, they'll be like, I don't know what you're talking

1:20:29

about?

1:20:31

How do you How do you try to like manage

1:20:33

that and be like you know what and still keep your your

1:20:36

authenticity on it.

1:20:37

So the first

1:20:39

part of the orchestration come

1:20:42

from your head, right, Yes,

1:20:46

James Brown, one

1:20:48

of the greatest composers, ain't

1:20:50

play an instrument. MM you could look

1:20:52

at the nigga and be like this the part basically

1:20:54

gonna go like this through the right. So

1:20:57

again, nothing is gonna be a nigga.

1:21:00

You can cheat as much as he wants, but

1:21:02

a nigga who got you

1:21:04

got the shit in your head, then

1:21:07

you can tell the computer what to do. So

1:21:09

man versus machine, it's the AI

1:21:12

smarter than you, or you smarter than the AI.

1:21:14

Right, So because if you smarter than the AI,

1:21:17

what you're gonna do is in your brain, you'd

1:21:20

be like, hmmm, I got a

1:21:23

freaking orchestra here, I got a bass

1:21:25

man, I got a guitar, I got these background

1:21:28

vocals. But in your brain though, it's

1:21:30

already here. And then so the computer

1:21:32

you can go on freaking arcade and

1:21:35

you'll be like, okay, exactly

1:21:37

because it's already in your brain. So nothing

1:21:40

beats the orchestra, so nothing beats

1:21:42

the composer. So it don't matter if it's

1:21:44

a computer or a

1:21:46

nigga. I always say that if anyone's complaining

1:21:49

like a nigga, be like, oh, nigg can cheat,

1:21:51

he can, yeah, But the computer can't write

1:21:54

nine one one, It just can't, you know what I'm

1:21:56

saying, Like, look,

1:21:58

I wish I could be like like fail

1:22:00

ball bone work if

1:22:03

I knew that there was something, because

1:22:05

it was already in my head. So if

1:22:07

I had a program where I could have grabbed that and

1:22:09

saved me five minutes, I would have just did that. But

1:22:12

if it's not here, then it would happen, you know,

1:22:14

because I learned that from Michael Jackson being in the

1:22:16

studio with him. You know how he moved his body,

1:22:19

you know, drumming and just every sound that he's

1:22:21

hearing and the orchestra comes

1:22:23

from your head. And I always say, technology,

1:22:27

my man, every tech

1:22:29

that you see. We are the Asiatic.

1:22:32

There's nothing that is out

1:22:34

there underneath the sun that's not us.

1:22:37

So a pluggin before

1:22:39

the shit was a plugin. It was from

1:22:41

a patch bay and from the patch

1:22:44

bait it was converted like we So it's

1:22:46

like what came first, the chicken at the egg. At the end of

1:22:48

the day, without the human being, nothing

1:22:51

is possible. So it's like we got to push

1:22:53

ourselves.

1:22:55

Look, we could do this all day.

1:22:57

We're a huge Michael Jackson fans.

1:22:59

We gotta get Michael

1:23:01

Jackson.

1:23:05

So Michael Jackson, I

1:23:09

remember, I remember I

1:23:11

was coming off tour and and

1:23:14

then uh, my phone goes off

1:23:18

right and when my phone

1:23:20

go off, like hello, it's

1:23:23

Michael Jackson, and you

1:23:25

gave him a little bit more basing, but.

1:23:29

Deep for real, it would.

1:23:34

So so so Michael hits me. But in

1:23:36

the in the hood, man, we like,

1:23:39

I'm a pranker, so I'm always working around

1:23:41

with my friends, were always playing around so and

1:23:44

I was like, Yo, get the fuck out of here, and I hung

1:23:47

up on Michael Jackson.

1:23:48

Damn I hung up

1:23:50

on Mike.

1:23:51

Yeah, everybody said I would have hung up. Man,

1:23:54

get Michael Jackson.

1:23:57

Niggas yo, man, yo,

1:24:01

this dude yo. And then Michael

1:24:03

calls back and

1:24:06

I ain't gonna lie to your nigga. And

1:24:09

Michael was like hello, And when

1:24:12

my brain computed that

1:24:14

was Michael my voice be

1:24:16

first, I was like my

1:24:21

voice, and

1:24:30

then he told me it was in some country in Asia

1:24:33

and this song came

1:24:35

in gone to November, and then he saw

1:24:37

the orchestra and then he told his people

1:24:40

who is that? And then he

1:24:42

got my number and he had to call me and

1:24:45

he said, Yo, I'm going to be in New York and

1:24:48

I want you to come to the studio.

1:24:50

And it was freaking how that is to get a nigga

1:24:53

number back?

1:24:53

Then like just

1:24:55

to be like, and who is that?

1:24:57

Get his number for.

1:25:01

Random?

1:25:04

Give me his numbers.

1:25:05

I gotta.

1:25:08

Call the whole phone.

1:25:09

But yeah, tryings.

1:25:18

Yeah, so he definitely when

1:25:21

I got in with him again, just

1:25:23

the short time that I spent with him, it's

1:25:26

like a whole day. He literally changed

1:25:28

my perception and it was like that's

1:25:30

how I knew, Like, whatever you do,

1:25:32

just keep doing what you do because

1:25:34

people are.

1:25:35

Going to find you, sir.

1:25:36

They're gonna find you before you go.

1:25:38

We got to talk about this Netflix documentary

1:25:41

that they did on your life, like what

1:25:44

is what is Dad?

1:25:45

And when can we look forward to seeing it?

1:25:46

And yeah, man, so so Netflix

1:25:49

is doing an animation film

1:25:52

on Prince Supporter Prince,

1:25:55

which is me. We talked about how you

1:25:57

escape poverty through imagination.

1:26:00

So it's on the level of like

1:26:02

a rio a lion king. Because

1:26:05

I wanted my first field to be

1:26:08

about that village, like what we talked about,

1:26:10

because when you see shit from the eye of a kid,

1:26:12

it's not like from the eye of an adult, you know what I'm

1:26:14

saying. So, so all

1:26:16

I can do is tell you is when

1:26:19

y'all watch this, make sure y'all bring our children with

1:26:21

y'all your little nisse and then be like, yeah, this

1:26:24

is a real dude, like he literally is

1:26:26

from the Hut. So anything that you want to

1:26:28

do, you can do. I'm very excited too about

1:26:32

what that score won't

1:26:34

be for that. So I'm working as

1:26:36

we speak with choirs

1:26:38

in Haiti. You see choirs in Haiti. I'm

1:26:41

also working with the conductor

1:26:45

who's working with these kids building

1:26:48

an orchestra. And these kids are

1:26:50

in the village, so they're getting instruments

1:26:53

and they're building. So a lot of this score I

1:26:56

wanted to be, like on the level of Lion King right

1:27:00

to the dream Man, is to be in the oscars

1:27:04

with all those kids from that village

1:27:07

playing these instruments and going

1:27:09

crazy, and I'm a cry if that happens.

1:27:12

You said that this going.

1:27:16

That's like saying, say.

1:27:18

One thing before we get you out

1:27:20

of here walking when you gotta sign the table.

1:27:22

For anything you want to leave?

1:27:24

When why would

1:27:28

you.

1:27:31

Anyway you want?

1:27:32

We got next?

1:27:34

Oh that's a dope instrumental. That's

1:27:38

hard. Let that play. I got you. I'm a ride with you. Yeah,

1:27:41

like around you to him me. Okay,

1:27:43

remember I tell you I used to battle round under

1:27:46

one.

1:27:47

I know what you're thinking, me too,

1:27:50

But then I gave a number they could don't

1:27:52

need to be a few under trinity.

1:27:55

Yes the riddle, kidd one man on

1:27:57

two six or stuff the crush.

1:28:01

That's what they taught me in Sunday school.

1:28:03

Forgive my foods fo

1:28:05

I was putting up Pinocchio's nose. If

1:28:07

it's sixth, go to seven. That's the number

1:28:10

of completion.

1:28:11

Had them eighth the apple.

1:28:12

So they cast them from the gardener, eating

1:28:15

jealous sea god a woman. It's nineteen kills

1:28:18

able here ten man, you know

1:28:20

it's farts.

1:28:21

Pumps on your two one.

1:28:23

Ain't enough to make it rain. Microphone

1:28:26

check one two grapplers in

1:28:28

my veins. Even I'm from the era.

1:28:30

Dudes scrap with their hands. Play

1:28:33

Friday the thirteen. Their COVID caught her body

1:28:35

slam by my lepers don't use their hands.

1:28:37

It In fourteenth and fifteen,

1:28:40

guns and Roses pointed that you're

1:28:42

sweet.

1:28:42

Sixteen and nine.

1:28:43

Was fall and I've told

1:28:45

my seventeen that's the day they killed

1:28:47

my leader. George, I guess I need

1:28:50

Mama told me there's monster's the them mom

1:28:52

mad day eighteen thanks

1:28:54

not from next to nineteenth. I was about any

1:28:57

twenty and twenty even Jin's ain't a good all

1:29:00

Young.

1:29:01

I have to trick depth. That's how I made

1:29:03

this past twenty one.

1:29:10

Yeah, you

1:29:13

know I want to get one. I

1:29:18

told you, bro, no

1:29:21

I get this.

1:29:23

Let's going Oh man, I

1:29:25

know who now?

1:29:28

Yeah, I'm going home.

1:29:30

Bro, that's crazy that love.

1:29:31

I'm going crazy, left young whatever

1:29:35

you go.

1:29:35

Ahead, camera,

1:29:39

No one left.

1:29:40

This went crazy lives

1:29:43

out.

1:29:46

That's crazy.

1:29:47

Hell all right?

1:29:48

Yeah, I finally

1:29:50

got my favorite episode.