Join the art professor, Ron Johnson (Virginia Commonwealth University) for episode four of season ten with a creative, entrepreneur and former professional soccer player, Jay DeMerit and actor, producer and former professional soccer player Patrick McLain. Together they will discuss their shared love of creativity, soccer and life.

This episode will discuss goals and updates on their individual lives.

For information on Jay DeMerit please visit:

instagram.com/d6merit/?hl=en

For more information on Jay please visit:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_DeMerit

For information on Patrick McLain please visit:

instagram.com/patrickmclain24/?hl=en

For more information on Patrick please visit:

imdb.com/name/nm10804584/

For information on the MLS visit:

mlssoccer.com

For more information on The Abstract Athlete, check out our website at:

theabstractathlete.com/

For information on the The Abstract Veterans Podcast visit:

theabstractveterans.com/

For more information on The Abstract Doctors Podcast visit:

theabstractdoctors.com/