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Hey, it's Andrew Klavan, and this week's interview

0:48

is with Ann Coulter. Now, I should stay

0:51

up front that I think Ann Coulter is

0:53

not just a terrific political writer. I think

0:55

she should be an anthologies of great American

0:57

political writing. She's written, I think, 747 New

1:00

York Times best sells. It's

1:03

13. 13 New York Times best sells.

1:05

It has to be some kind of a record.

1:07

She now runs the excellent Unsafe

1:09

Substack, which is a font

1:12

of information. Now, I know a lot of

1:14

people are angry with Ann because she loved

1:16

Trump and then she hated Trump. And one of the things

1:18

I happen to love about Ann is that she doesn't care

1:21

if you're angry at her because she's going to tell you

1:23

what she thinks no matter what. She does it to the

1:25

left. She does it to the right. And I think that

1:27

it's a sign of her integrity.

1:29

And it's great to see you,

1:31

Ann. Thank you for coming. ANN will

2:00

probably be thinking about. You loved him, you hated him,

2:03

you said he'd

2:05

be elected, you predicted he would be elected or had a

2:07

good chance of being elected on Bill Maher while they laughed

2:09

at you. I love when they laughed at you, Bill Maher,

2:11

because then I know you've got it exactly right. And

2:14

then you wrote this whole book saying

2:16

you love him and now you've been just picking

2:18

him apart. Why are you such an evil person? You

2:25

know, a lot of the same people who hated me in

2:27

2000, not just 15, but 2000, or rather not

2:31

2016, but 2015, for

2:34

supporting him because I supported him

2:36

right away. Everyone forgets that the

2:38

other 17 candidates running

2:40

against him were all open borders, every

2:42

single one of them. I mean, he

2:44

has sort of changed the Republican Party

2:46

at least that much that they know

2:48

they're supposed to pretend not to be

2:50

for open borders. Rubio

2:53

was promoting amnesty. Cruz

2:55

was promoting his own version of amnesty,

2:57

which is don't let them come illegally, but

2:59

will bring just as many of the exact

3:01

same people will just do it legally. Great.

3:04

You still have all the effects. Anyway,

3:07

that's why I supported him. Even though, you know, I grew

3:10

up in Connecticut, I knew he was an absolutely

3:14

horrible person. And if you read

3:16

my book in Trump, we trust, I wouldn't

3:18

take it back. I'd write it again.

3:20

And I make it very clear he's

3:22

an awful person. This is a one

3:24

time exception because immigration is the only

3:27

issue that matters and he's going to

3:29

build a wall. When I

3:31

was asked by liberal journalists during my promotion of

3:33

in Trump, we trust him and some of them

3:35

would say, Oh, he's not going

3:37

to build the wall. And Andrew,

3:39

I'd laugh at them and say, no, he's got

3:42

to build the wall. He may not do anything

3:44

else. But if he doesn't build the wall, he's

3:46

not going to get reelected. He didn't

3:48

build the wall, didn't get reelected. So

3:50

anyway, I was giving him, I think,

3:53

constructive criticism when

3:57

he was president, encouraging him to build

4:00

the wall. And I'm sorry, I was

4:02

right. We wouldn't be seeing what

4:04

we're seeing now if he had built the wall.

4:07

If you don't have the wall, any Democrat can

4:09

come in, open it up and we get 10

4:11

million, basically criminals and

4:13

same people and poverty stricken

4:16

people from utterly dysfunctional cultures.

4:18

And they're just going to turn our country

4:20

into that dysfunctional culture. So that's why I

4:22

love them. That's why I hate them. And

4:25

man, am I depressed about this election. Well,

4:28

I'm going to ask you about that too.

4:30

But I just stick with the immigration thing

4:32

for just a minute. First,

4:34

did Trump, did Trump fail to build the

4:36

wall because he was Trump or did Trump failed to

4:39

build the wall because he was stopped? Do

4:41

you think? No, he had two

4:43

years with a Republican Congress. He

4:45

signed omnibus bill after omnibus bill.

4:48

And whoa, we got tax cuts for the rich. Sorry,

4:51

I know that's a liberal point,

4:53

but tax cuts. I'm all for tax cuts.

4:55

I don't want the government to have the money. That is

4:57

so not the most important issue anymore. And

5:00

Republicans think it's the

5:02

entire raison d'etre of their party is tax cuts.

5:04

So I got a little fed up with it.

5:07

Um, yeah, I know he

5:09

didn't, he signed spending bills that specifically

5:11

didn't allow any spending for a wall.

5:13

And in fact, the last one, I

5:15

think forbade him as

5:19

commander in chief from protecting the

5:21

United States borders. So, you know,

5:23

then we lose the house, I

5:25

guess the Senate and the House.

5:28

I don't know, but we lost Congress. We had both

5:30

houses for his first two years. And

5:32

you know, that's when he suddenly starts pretending he

5:34

wants to build a wall. Even

5:36

during that two years with a Democrat, I

5:39

think it was House and Senate. And then we got the House

5:41

back anyway. Um, he

5:43

could have built the wall. I just had

5:45

this argument with representative Thomas Massey, one of

5:47

my favorite congressmen, um, on my

5:49

sub sec. In fact, I just posted it

5:52

about an hour ago. Um, the

5:54

president does not need emergency

5:57

powers. He doesn't need an

5:59

omnibus bill. to build the

6:01

wall. He's commander

6:03

in chief and protecting the United States

6:05

of America is the number

6:08

one job of the commander in chief. There's other

6:10

stuff he has to do

6:12

like, you know, fight off

6:15

pirates and rescue Americans

6:17

abroad. But numero uno

6:19

is protect the United

6:21

States of America. And I mean, there's a weird

6:24

thing going on. We're so used to the commander

6:28

in chief being able to deploy

6:30

troops, you know, in Syria, Ronald

6:32

Reagan and Grenada. I

6:35

mean, I guess there was some kind of war resolution for

6:37

Iraq. I'm not, I don't know that it

6:39

was to stay there for 20 years and paint

6:42

George Floyd murals. But we're so used

6:44

to the president being able to fling

6:46

troops around the globe that, wait,

6:49

he can protect our

6:51

border? Whoever thought of that?

6:55

Why? What is this thing? Well, I

6:57

read the Wall Street Journal has some great writers

6:59

in it, but they, you are not allowed to

7:01

write in the Wall Street Journal that we should

7:03

close the borders. I mean, they will

7:05

not, what is it with the Republican Party on

7:07

the borders? Why do they not get it? And

7:09

as you said, you should give, you did give

7:11

Trump some credit for changing the direction of the

7:13

party on that and on China, which I think

7:15

is fair. But what

7:18

is it with them? Why don't they understand that this is

7:20

an invasion? I've

7:23

always hated the Wall Street Journal for this

7:25

reason. And they've hated me. I

7:29

think because they're representing corporate

7:31

interests and, you know,

7:33

as I say in Adigos America, the rich

7:35

are like sharks. It's

7:37

all appetite, no brain. They

7:39

just figure if I can make an

7:41

extra dollar this year, while, you know, the

7:43

middle class was paying for it, yeah, I'll

7:45

wreck the country. Every

7:47

politician going forward will be Chuck

7:50

Schumer, but that's tomorrow. I don't

7:52

have to think about that. Well, no,

7:54

you're wrecking the country for the stuff you care

7:56

about too, like regulation and taxes.

7:58

And as you know, Andrew Klavan,

8:01

look at California. Yeah,

8:03

no kidding, no kidding. I mean, it's a

8:05

disaster. And you know, so let's

8:07

talk about this election. I mean, first,

8:10

before I ask you that, are there any politicians

8:12

that you really like? You know,

8:14

you were talking about Massey, but he's kind of a libertarian,

8:16

right? He's sort of... Well, that's what I

8:18

attacked him for. I was trying to have him back on, because

8:21

we were too nice the first time, because I

8:23

do really like him. So

8:25

I told him I wanted to have him back on to argue with

8:27

him about the things I disagree with him on. And

8:29

it was really funny because his staff kept... Luckily,

8:32

I was just out and about, but

8:34

his staff kept hysterically calling my producer,

8:37

asking them, man, didn't know if there

8:39

were going to be any trick questions, whether I was

8:41

going to attack him. And my producer gets

8:43

in touch with me and I said, tell them to

8:45

settle down. He's smarter than I am. So

8:49

really, I just argued with him about

8:51

the two issues. I do disagree with him on

8:53

which are immigration and drugs.

8:55

Yeah, that's right. The libertarians,

8:57

they love those drugs. I

9:00

don't even know how they ever show up for interviews. I

9:02

mean, it's all weed, weed, weed. That's

9:05

all they care about. So

9:09

it looks like it's going to be Trump Biden. I simply

9:12

do not believe that Biden's going to make it to the

9:14

election. I simply do not believe he will be the candidate.

9:16

I don't think that guy can

9:18

crawl that far, but that's

9:20

what it looks like right now. What

9:23

are you thinking when you see this? If

9:26

Trump were to win, would he be a better

9:28

Trump or worse Trump or different Trump? Well,

9:30

I mean, I guess that's the question. I

9:32

think the people supporting him, if they think

9:34

about this at all, are assuming

9:37

that, because he's saying

9:39

the same things now, except really

9:41

not in as smart a way, I think,

9:43

as he did in 2016. He's

9:47

making the exact same promises. So why

9:49

do you think he's going to do it this time? I

9:52

suppose there's an argument that,

9:54

yeah, since he fell flat on his face

9:56

his first term, he's figured out how to do

9:58

it this time. Or

10:01

the alternative possibility, which scares

10:03

me, which is

10:05

why I wish he wanted our

10:07

nominee, is

10:09

that, I mean, he has always really wanted the

10:12

New York Times to love him. Yes, he does. They're

10:15

never going to. They're never ever going

10:17

to. But oh my gosh, does he

10:19

want elite acceptance. After sites

10:22

like Breitbart, I think

10:24

that was probably the number one site for promoting

10:27

Trump in the 2016 election, he never gave

10:29

them an interview. He never

10:31

invited them to the White House. Every

10:34

day he called the New

10:36

York Times as Maggie Haberman. He is

10:38

so desperate to be accepted by, you

10:40

know, New York City elites,

10:42

which again won't happen. And if that's the

10:45

case, if he's not even facing reelection, he

10:47

could be so much, so much

10:49

worse. So

10:52

I mean, I guess that's what we have to worry about.

10:54

I do think it's going to be Biden. They're already, as

10:56

I predicted, they're already gearing

10:58

up to say Biden is not

11:01

going to dignify Trump by

11:04

debating. Yeah, but Trump lost that argument

11:06

because he didn't debate the other candidates. So

11:08

he can't now accuse him of powers. He

11:12

also lost the debate with Biden in 2020.

11:14

Yep, I do. That

11:16

was the first one he did because he was actually, there

11:20

actually was a point where Trump was too aggressive.

11:22

It's hard to imagine. I'm not sure where that

11:24

line is, but there's some place

11:26

where even, even the people who like Trump, thought, ah,

11:28

there's a little too much Trump there. But so

11:32

I was in New York all week and I was

11:34

talking to a lot of journalists and, you know, people

11:36

in publishing and things like this. And all of them

11:39

are terrified that maybe not that this is the end

11:41

of the republic

11:45

leading into like the Roman

11:47

civil wars, but that violence

11:49

is on the way. Do

11:51

you think so? You're nodding. Things

11:54

are about as bad as I've seen them

11:56

and particularly, I mean, I'm always in my

11:58

friends attack. me for this and always, you

12:00

know, the sunny optimistic one. And I'm having

12:02

a little trouble being sunny and optimistic now.

12:04

So, I mean, mostly what I've said is

12:06

we, we

12:09

really have to concentrate on the house and

12:11

Senate races. Um, the one

12:13

election I'm really excited about this year is

12:16

the LA district attorney race to get

12:18

rid of a George Gaskin

12:20

on. You know, that's the only race

12:22

I care about. Republicans could be in

12:24

trouble. Um, but, but if we

12:26

can just save the

12:29

house and take the Senate, um,

12:31

I'm all for gridlock. If we can

12:33

just have four years of gridlock, that would

12:35

be peachy keen. Um,

12:38

and the violence, you

12:41

know, it's funny, the violence has

12:43

been going on a long time and the

12:45

hatred for, I would say in particular white

12:47

people, um, on

12:49

universities, uh, in

12:51

publishing in Hollywood. Um,

12:55

and the funny thing about it is since

12:57

October 7th, um, they've

12:59

sort of, um, segmented

13:03

off specifically the Jew.

13:05

Yeah. Funny, funny how

13:07

bigotry always ends up right there. That

13:11

has woken up a lot of

13:13

very, very important, powerful people in

13:15

America. Um, and you know,

13:17

we were just saying it's the opposite of that, that

13:21

German minister's poem that began

13:23

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13:25

and I said nothing. Um, no, they came

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did you know there are no Ease

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and Clavin? I just make it look

15:00

this easy. There are no Ease and Clavin.

15:05

So I look at some of

15:07

the cultural stuff going on, this transing

15:09

of children, the idea that the President

15:11

of the United States can defend. I

15:13

mean, what to me, like I always

15:16

say, if Joseph Mengele

15:18

had described gender affirming care to Hitler, Hitler

15:20

would have reeled back in horror and said,

15:22

who do you think I am? I

15:25

think it's like, that's how ugly I think it is. And

15:28

then just watching the State

15:30

of the Union, watching people give standing ovations

15:32

to abortion, those are the

15:35

things that kind of haunt me that like when

15:37

John Adams said our Constitution is for a

15:39

moral and religious people, I

15:41

think like we're not a moral and

15:43

religious people anymore. We're actually savages. We're

15:45

actually like the Canaanites. So why

15:48

do you think that immigration is, why

15:50

is that always the thing? You've always

15:53

been a big, you've always stuck on

15:55

that point forever really. Because

15:57

I mean, I described it obviously in

15:59

great. to Natios America, but I mean,

16:03

there are huge cultural differences.

16:06

This idea that if we just dunk immigrants

16:08

in the Rio Grande, suddenly they will become

16:11

James Madison. Why didn't we do that in

16:13

Iraq? Just bring them all over here, dunk

16:15

them in the Rio Grande, send them back.

16:19

It doesn't work that way. And as

16:21

the founding fathers knew, freedom is a

16:24

wonderful thing, but it's very hard to learn. I mean,

16:26

that was one of the things I, by

16:29

and large, hated Senator

16:31

Katie Britz's response

16:33

last night. But the one thing I liked, and

16:35

she does have to drop the Katie, you're an

16:37

adult. We don't have to be an adult. But

16:40

the one thing

16:44

I liked was when she was talking about it's

16:46

in our DNA, we're the people who threw back

16:48

the most powerful empire in the world, the

16:50

British empire. We're the people who conquered

16:53

the West. We're pioneers. We land, we

16:55

have the DNA of the people who

16:57

landed a man on the moon. And

16:59

I tweeted last night when I

17:02

woke up in the middle of the night. No,

17:04

what's this we, you

17:07

know, who doesn't have that DNA, the

17:09

newcomers, as we're calling them. And

17:12

look, we can assimilate people, but

17:14

a we're not trying. B

17:16

we're not getting the best stock to be assimilating

17:18

them. I mean, our

17:20

immigration policy ought to be, I love

17:23

this argument about how many of

17:25

them are criminals, how zero zero

17:28

immigrants, legal or illegal, illegal

17:30

should be criminals. We ought to be

17:32

searching the world and getting the cream

17:34

of the crop. And that is what

17:36

America used to do without

17:38

even trying, because we didn't have

17:41

a welfare system. So as

17:45

I hope you know, from reading Adios America, 30% of

17:48

immigrants used to go home because they

17:50

couldn't make it here. There was no

17:52

warm bath of welfare benefits and housing

17:54

and medical care that they would soak

17:56

in. In places like

17:58

Vermont, there were these I think they were

18:01

called call-out letters where you couldn't just walk from

18:03

town to town if a new person came to

18:05

town They would send out, you know the town

18:07

elders and if you couldn't support yourself,

18:10

they tell you keep moving buddy So

18:13

now we're getting the poorest of the poor

18:15

the most dysfunctional the people who in a thousand

18:17

years have not been able to create a

18:20

Stable civilizations. So again, why do

18:22

we think there's it's

18:25

gonna change here? When

18:28

suddenly one night when you were talking about violence and

18:30

it has been really really really bad And

18:32

I say now we have some powerful and

18:34

wealthy people on our side And

18:37

as evidence of that the first

18:39

time I've most at Berkeley that I was shut

18:41

down or to college speech there I used to

18:43

give an enormous number of college speeches went back

18:46

and gave it two years later And thanks to

18:48

the Proud Boys was actually able to give it

18:50

but on November 2022

18:53

yeah, November 2022 Cornell

18:55

students shut down my speech at Cornell

18:58

my alma mater So

19:00

anyway, I'm gonna be speaking there on April

19:02

16th and why because the trustees

19:04

got furious and and I

19:07

think what? They were already furious. I mean

19:09

I was running into people at Christmas parties

19:11

in New York a month later

19:13

And that's all they were talking about

19:16

but particularly since the crap that's

19:18

been going on since October 7th That

19:21

has just thrown fuel on the fire to

19:23

the trustees and to the donors who are

19:25

ticked off at what's going on in college

19:27

Camps, so ha ha ha they're they're not

19:29

only for soon Like this speech for the

19:31

eyes ranging and I'm leadership Institute email me

19:34

today You see it's really fun talking

19:36

to a Cornell Provost claiming. We're

19:39

really looking forward to having Ann

19:41

Coulter That

19:44

is a big that is a change you're right That

19:47

is a real change and you're right to

19:49

that it is October 7th And you know,

19:51

I mean I've been telling my Jewish liberal

19:53

friends for years Maybe even a decade

19:56

that all the anti-semitism was on the

19:58

left that the anti-semitism the right were

20:00

nobody, they were on the Breitbart comment page, you

20:02

know, they were not important people. But

20:05

these guys mattered. So I

20:08

remember, I discovered your writing, which I really

20:10

do. I mean, I've said this before, but

20:12

I think it's just terrific political writing. But

20:14

I discovered it when I came back from

20:16

England and was suddenly shocked to find that

20:18

the only people I agreed with were basically

20:21

the guys at the corner in National Review.

20:23

And I started wanting to research it. And

20:25

the first book of yours I read was

20:27

the, I think it's called slander. So what

20:29

about the press? Oh,

20:31

that's a good one. Isn't that a good book? Yes.

20:34

I'm glad we both enjoyed it. And

20:37

of course, the first thing that happens when

20:39

you go from being a liberal

20:42

to a conservative is you suddenly realize you've been

20:44

lied to by people and there is actual information

20:46

and the people on the other side. One thing

20:48

every Democrat knows is that the Republicans are evil

20:51

or Hitler, you know. So when you start to

20:53

realize that's not true, that is

20:55

a string that you pull and the suit falls apart. But

20:59

that book, I mean, for years I would recommend that

21:01

book to people. But now I feel like you

21:04

would have to go back and rewrite it. The press

21:06

has become so much worse. And so really

21:08

it's gone. I mean, the mainstream press is gone. And

21:12

they keep saying, well, it started with Trump like the

21:14

hell it did. I mean, they were just, that may

21:16

have pushed them to a new level, but they would

21:18

have been dishonest for a long time. And now they're

21:20

just a, they were a proctor. A corporate regime

21:23

entity. Yeah. Yes. I've

21:26

been thinking recently how many tricks

21:29

I describe in that book actually

21:31

is what they're doing now. Because when I wrote that

21:34

book, that would have been, I guess I wrote

21:36

it in 1999. And I

21:39

think it came out the next year. It

21:41

was a put off. It doesn't matter. And

21:44

that was before the internet was very big.

21:47

Fox News had no viewers at that

21:49

point. So there wasn't really the alternative

21:51

media. We had about a decade of

21:54

freedom, I think. But

21:57

they had the same insular manipulation.

22:00

Monopoly in the 80s

22:02

and 90s that they are

22:04

really exercising now So

22:06

do you that's that was my question Do you

22:08

feel that things have gotten so bad that we're

22:10

not getting any information or is the internet still

22:12

operating as a break? I mean you have a

22:14

sub stack. I have a sub stack. I mean,

22:17

I think these are these are

22:19

real places. I think that Formerly

22:21

Twitter which is the only thing

22:24

we can call it because it's ridiculous to change is

22:26

the extra formally Twitter You know, it's

22:28

a genuine thing. I mean people Donald Trump can get his

22:30

word out. He's not gonna get canceled this time at the

22:32

election Which way do you

22:34

think this is going? Is this going for the good or is it? I

22:37

mean, it's just the mainstream media gone. It's

22:39

what doesn't matter or are we just absolutely

22:41

caught I Kind

22:44

of think in the media and this is

22:46

probably me just being the craziest

22:48

sunny option, but I think it's going to

22:50

get better When you

22:52

look at what what Gemini did oh and by the way,

22:55

I I will be suing them for

22:57

defamation Without a sub sack on what

22:59

they said about me. What does this I just so if

23:01

you know any millionaires I think I need about 2 million.

23:03

I got the lawyer really good lawyer. I got the 501

23:05

c3 I just don't

23:08

know how to ask people for money. So I'll just do

23:10

it on your program Okay, I have a million

23:12

dollars and you hate Google, but there is it has

23:14

been a lot of pushback with their with

23:16

their images For example, I think people are on to

23:18

them There is

23:20

Elon Musk though. I'm still shadow

23:22

banned Yeah,

23:25

I think I've been shadow banned on Twitter

23:27

Yeah, I haven't I

23:30

went from you know Zero to two

23:32

point one million followers in seven years and I

23:34

haven't gotten one new follower since 2018. Yeah. Yeah

23:38

No, I I you know, I I gained

23:41

when Elon Musk took over I gained like 50,000 followers

23:44

in a day or two days and Since

23:47

then it's just been this like trickle and I just

23:49

thought we're the we're the other 50,000, you know Yeah

23:52

Well at the time when he was taking it over and everybody

23:54

knew there's a lot of shadow banning on I

23:57

remember that Mark and recent said

24:00

And I don't know anything about computers, but

24:02

he said there are a million ways to

24:04

shadow ban people. It's going to take a

24:06

month to unravel what Twitter has done. And

24:09

I think Elon got his post boosted

24:12

and thought, okay, Don. Yeah.

24:14

Yeah. No, but do you feel, I mean,

24:17

do you feel that there is this is, you

24:20

feel this is getting better and not worse? I

24:24

guess the getting part. I haven't quite

24:27

reached that yet, but I, but I,

24:29

I do see positive steps. I don't,

24:31

the only people watching TV. And

24:34

I think it's all pretty bad, including our

24:36

side. Are people

24:38

over 60, you know, mostly in nursing homes who

24:40

don't know how to change the remote. No

24:43

one under 60 watches

24:45

TV. Right. No one.

24:48

So it's a, it's a little bit harder because

24:50

it's so diffuse. And

24:53

I mean, there probably ought to be a way for

24:56

sub stack to let you

24:58

follow, you know, 10 or

25:00

20 people of your choice for a discount

25:03

rate across all of them. Because

25:05

there are a lot of people you got to follow on sub

25:07

stack and at 50 bucks a year, well

25:09

it's not as much as cable, but

25:12

it's still, you know, the price can run up. And

25:14

if you could combine sub stack, because

25:16

that's where everyone worth reading is right now.

25:19

That's right. That's right. It's

25:23

the best source of actual, actual journalism. I mean,

25:25

it's, it's kind of. It's so fun. No

25:27

censorship, no ads. It's amazing. It's

25:29

shocking. And then people will pay

25:31

to get good stuff and they, you know, they can

25:33

volunteer to pay, but it's still, it's still terrific. You

25:35

know, one of the things that I've been thinking about

25:37

recently is I kind of feel

25:40

we've, we're at this point where the

25:42

boomer generation is dying off and that

25:44

all the ideas that the boomer generation

25:46

had and their missions have failed. Like

25:49

that basically the great society has been

25:51

a complete disaster. And on

25:53

the one hand, and on the other hand, the idea

25:55

that we're going to somehow repeal the new deal has

25:57

also just gone nowhere. And it seems to me

25:59

when I, When I talk to young right-wingers,

26:01

I hear a lot of authoritarianism coming

26:03

in, especially after 2020 when they saw the

26:06

riots, when they saw people saying,

26:08

oh, the riots are mostly peaceful and they just thought, you

26:10

know, this is all cosplay, this is all a joke. So

26:17

I kind of feel that we need a

26:19

new mission, that conservatism needs a new big

26:22

vision. Tell me

26:24

if I'm wrong and also tell me if there is a big vision. What

26:27

should we be looking for? That's

26:30

a good question. I mean, I

26:32

think we could both put it together pretty

26:35

well. And I think it does come out

26:37

in what people like us and our friends

26:39

talk about on Subsac and Twitter.

26:41

There's the moral component you talk about. You

26:44

know, I just read, I think it was

26:46

yesterday, I think I'm going to tweet it

26:48

later. There was an article in the New

26:50

York Times about this amazing twin study. Maybe

26:53

it's already all over the internet. I've

26:55

been out today until I came back for this. But

26:59

twin studies are like the gold standard

27:01

of scientific research on human

27:04

beings, obviously, because everything genetically is

27:06

exactly the same. And all these twins

27:08

where one would turn out great, you

27:10

know, get married, stay married, have kids,

27:12

happy life, never have to go to

27:14

therapy. And the other one totally screwed

27:17

up therapy. Most of

27:19

his life, deep depression could never hold a

27:21

marriage down. And these are identical twins. And

27:23

the difference was the screwed up twin had

27:25

been molested as a child. So

27:29

you see that and think

27:31

about all the things you see on the limbs of

27:33

TikTok and what these teachers

27:36

are doing. And oh

27:38

my gosh, I just wish we could make DeSantis

27:41

our ruler. Yeah,

27:43

DeSantis has done a great job. Terrible

27:46

candidate, I thought. I thought, I mean, I don't think

27:48

he would have won even if he'd been a great

27:50

candidate, but I still think he was not a good

27:52

candidate. No, I wouldn't say this

27:54

at the time because of a huge DeSantis supporter.

27:57

And afterwards, I did write a column. I

27:59

think Gen. saying what the problems

28:01

were. And I think the number one problem

28:03

was winning his reelection by 20 points

28:06

because that made him arrogant and he

28:08

wouldn't listen to anyone. And

28:10

then in the nitty gritty,

28:13

I've said this a million times, we don't

28:15

want to hear from your spouses. I

28:18

personally think the China thing is

28:20

overdone. Nobody goes to sleep at

28:22

night worried about China. We're worried

28:24

about the border and illegal aliens,

28:27

you know, driving drunk into

28:29

your kids and overtaking your

28:32

neighborhoods and your emergency rooms.

28:34

Anyway, no Republican should

28:38

ever, ever, ever hire a campaign consultant.

28:40

Some of those lines. Yes, I totally agree

28:42

with that. I completely agree with that. We

28:44

need a whole board of conservatives. They should

28:47

not be paid unless you win. That would

28:49

be the other thing. In a campaign, maybe

28:51

they get paid minimum wage, but if you

28:53

win, they get a big bonus. I mean,

28:55

I think that consultants have killed the Republican

28:57

party. Also that six week

28:59

abortion limit. And I've been

29:02

doing a lot of sub stacks on that. I

29:04

am a pro life zealot, but

29:06

these pro life zealots who aren't

29:09

paying attention to election returns are

29:11

not only going to kill us, they're going to get

29:13

a lot of babies killed when there is no elected

29:15

Republican left in the United States of America. There have

29:17

been like seven or

29:19

eight initiatives in states like Kentucky

29:22

and Montana, Kansas, states that Trump

29:24

won by 20 points. And

29:26

the tiniest restriction on abortion

29:29

is losing in a

29:31

landslide. I'm surprised, but

29:34

you got it. This is the change

29:36

hearts and minds portion. That's

29:38

a hard joke. No question. It doesn't jam

29:40

it down their throats. Yes, yes. No, there's

29:43

no question that people, the conservatives always bad

29:45

on culture. They always go to the culture

29:47

last. They always realize the culture is

29:49

how you change hearts and minds, you know,

29:52

last. They just never, never think of it.

29:54

You know, you mentioned China that

29:56

one of the things I hear a lot on the right is

29:58

that we shouldn't. America First, America, the

30:01

Insular America, Fortress America, we shouldn't be in

30:03

any of these wars. Where do you stand

30:05

on this? Where do you stand on Ukraine?

30:08

Oh, absolutely. None of them. And as

30:11

you may recall, I was and I still would

30:13

be. It's like in Trump we trust. At

30:15

the time, I think I was right. The thing is

30:17

kind of went awry. I

30:20

was and would be a huge proponent of

30:23

both the Afghanistan war and

30:25

the Iraq war. But I

30:27

mean, I and my fellow enthusiasts,

30:30

one thing, I'm sorry, we had been attacked

30:32

on our soil. And I don't want

30:34

to hear, oh, Iraq didn't attack us

30:36

Iraq didn't attack us. Neither did Afghanistan.

30:38

It was this wandering

30:40

mob of Osama bin

30:43

Laden acolytes who wandered into Afghanistan. He

30:45

could have launched the attack from any

30:47

country. So neither of

30:49

them attacked us. It was terrorism. It's hard to

30:51

go after terrorism. But I don't think

30:54

any of us thought stay there

30:56

for 20 years. No kidding. No

30:58

kidding. Yeah. So that's

31:00

why I wouldn't I wouldn't

31:02

do any of them. I mean, obviously, Europe

31:05

isn't terribly concerned with Ukraine. And

31:07

I don't know, just when I hear Biden at the State of

31:10

the Union going on and on about Ukraine while our

31:12

border is wide open. I mean,

31:15

it's a stupid but obvious analogy.

31:17

If criminals

31:19

are breaking into your house, do

31:21

you stop and start helping them

31:23

break leaves in the neighbor's yard?

31:26

Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's amazing. It

31:28

was amazing to me. It was amazing. We

31:30

were all watching it together here. It was

31:32

amazing to all of us. If he started

31:34

with Ukraine, as if that State

31:36

of the Union depended on Ukraine. And you

31:39

know, I don't like I hate

31:41

Putin. I think he's a terrible terrible human being.

31:44

I do worry. I worry about this

31:46

axis of evil, the Russia of China,

31:48

Iranian, Iranian axis, I do worry that

31:50

they're perfectly capable of sitting down

31:53

together and say, how can we the devil

31:55

this country next. But I think that's an

31:57

interesting idea that the battle

31:59

is here. is right

32:01

here first. I'm hearing this a lot.

32:04

And the reason I'm not that worried about China,

32:06

I mean, I know it's a

32:09

great country to hate because they

32:11

gave us COVID. And

32:14

those little dolls that break whenever you play with them? They

32:18

poison our dogs. All

32:20

our crap is made there. And

32:23

they steal our intellectual property. Well, there are

32:25

other things we can do to bring manufacturing

32:27

home. I have a few ideas. We

32:30

definitely should crack down on them stealing our intellectual

32:32

property. I think there are things we can do

32:35

with that too. But they're never going

32:37

to actually attack us and they will

32:39

not seek our destruction. Otherwise,

32:41

they're not getting their money back. Yeah,

32:44

that's a good point. All

32:47

right. I always love talking to you. And you've got a

32:50

really interesting I just love the fact that

32:52

you just don't care what people say about

32:54

you. This is one trait we actually share,

32:56

but I think maybe

32:58

that's maybe that's what I admire so much.

33:00

And Coulter unsafe sub stack and it is

33:02

a terrific sub stack. It's just if you

33:05

just take a look at it, you will

33:07

see the information is thick because you're a

33:09

great researcher as well. It's always great to

33:11

see and you can come back anytime. Thank

33:14

you. I'd love to. So good to see you, Andrew. All

33:16

right. I'll see you again soon. And Coulter

33:19

her books were central to my formation as

33:21

a conservative. Some of

33:24

them still not just well written, but

33:26

the research is incredible. Take a look

33:28

at her unsafe sub stack. And and

33:30

if you really want to get the goods, take

33:32

a look at the Andrew Clavin show on Friday.

33:34

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