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I hope you all had a wonderful Easter

0:32

or transgender day of visibility, depending on whether

0:34

you celebrated the promise of eternal life in

0:37

the risen Lord or preferred to memorialize cutting

0:39

off a little boy's penis so he could

0:41

pretend he was a girl until he realized

0:43

it was all a lie and killed himself

0:45

so you had to spend the rest of

0:47

your life loudly proclaiming you did the right

0:50

thing rather than facing the guilt of imposing

0:52

your perversion on an innocent child. Which

0:55

can be a great holiday too. In

0:58

fact, President and venal house plant Joe

1:00

Biden was so excited to declare this

1:02

Easter a transgender day of visibility he

1:05

actually made two announcements about it. The

1:07

first announcement said quote, and this is

1:09

a real quote, I, Joseph R. Biden

1:11

Jr., President of the United States of

1:14

America, by virtue of the authority

1:16

vested in me by the Constitution and the

1:18

laws of the United States, do

1:20

hereby proclaim March 31st, 2024 as transgender day of

1:24

visibility. In

1:27

his second announcement, after the first announcement

1:29

caused controversy, Biden said quote, and again,

1:31

this is an exact quote, I

1:34

didn't do that, unquote. White

1:37

House Spokes token Kareen Joan Identity higher

1:39

addressed the apparent discrepancy in the President's

1:41

two statements saying quote, as

1:43

a black lesbian woman of color who's a

1:45

lesbian and black, I am absolutely outraged anyone

1:47

would accuse this president of lying about what

1:50

he did when he hardly remembers who he

1:52

is. Last week the man

1:54

almost launched a nuclear missile at Orlando so you

1:56

can't expect him to know what proclamation he's making.

2:00

When historically appointed person of color who is

2:02

a woman who has sex with other women

2:04

while being black, I am appalled that narrow-minded

2:06

Republicans should be ganging up on this poor

2:08

senile old man just because he happens to

2:10

be president." This

2:13

identity hire was so upset she then burst

2:15

into tears, then burst into flame, and was

2:17

dragged down through the crust of the earth

2:20

by a gigantic red hand with razor-sharp claws

2:22

then thrust into the bowels of hell for

2:24

all eternity, which she said she also found

2:26

upsetting speaking as a black lesbian woman of

2:29

color. President

2:31

Biden addressed the controversy in a speech made

2:33

to the employees-must-wash-their-hands sign in the White House

2:35

restroom where he was hiding from the scary

2:37

chief of staff man who might make him

2:39

go to another one of those meetings where

2:41

he can't understand what anyone is talking about.

2:44

The president said, quote, As I

2:46

stand here today before this bathroom sink,

2:48

I want to remind you that transgenderism

2:51

is fast on the rise among teenage

2:53

girls who fall prey to every social

2:55

hysteria that comes down the pike. And

2:58

I'm proud to be the first man ever to

3:00

pretend to take a teenage girl seriously when he

3:02

wasn't even trying to get into her pants, though

3:04

that would be nice as well. And

3:07

on this formerly Easter day of transgender visibility,

3:09

I want to say to all those teenage

3:11

girls out there, I see you, and I'd

3:13

like to see more of you, and also smell you. But

3:16

that's not why I'm pretending to take you seriously. It's

3:18

because I value your opinions as the most irrational

3:21

people in this country, except for Democrats and maybe

3:23

those huge men who pretend to be women so

3:25

they can win all the medals at swim meets.

3:28

And I see them too, because this is

3:30

Transgender Visibility Day, and those guys aren't just

3:33

a bunch of hysterical teenage girls. They're actually

3:35

dishonest and corrupt, which is something I can

3:37

respect. But don't think

3:39

I'm doing this to offend religious people. After

3:41

all, I'm a devout Catholic. If

3:44

those are the ones who like abortion, if not,

3:46

I'm a devout something else. And I

3:48

see me too, although that could just be

3:50

because I'm standing in front of a bathroom mirror." Despite

3:54

the president's remarks, Donald Trump declared he

3:56

was personally offended that Easter had to

3:58

share a day with his parents. transgenderism.

4:01

Trump said, quote, Jesus Christ would

4:03

be rolling over in his grave, except

4:05

apparently he's no longer there for

4:07

some reason. Trigger warning, I'm Andrew

4:09

Clavin, and this is The Andrew

4:11

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4:28

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4:32

a quick note that we are having

4:35

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4:37

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4:39

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4:41

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4:44

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5:14

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5:18

leave a comment on

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5:23

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5:25

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5:27

lending to human degradation, we will read it

5:29

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5:31

here. Today's comment, you have to

5:33

roll it up just a little bit so I

5:36

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5:38

McGuire, 5729. He

5:40

says, Clavin, please stop telling the masses

5:42

to love others as Christ loves them.

5:44

It's too awesome and wonderful for us

5:46

to bear. Believe me, Brendan,

5:48

that has been made absolutely clear to me,

5:51

and I will try to stop spreading

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5:55

I possibly can. Let us get to today's

5:57

episode, The One Body Body.

6:00

problem. So,

6:05

I don't know if this is me, but I've

6:07

noticed that America's kind of lacking a sense of

6:09

humor lately a little bit. It's as if

6:12

we'd forgotten. We're just passing through time into eternity,

6:14

and we're taking this all very seriously. And

6:17

we laugh at – we're happy to laugh at the

6:19

other guy, the other side, but the minute we make

6:21

a – I make a joke about our side, everybody

6:23

gets really ticked off. But I have to say this.

6:26

Well, first of all, without a sense of humor, you can't

6:28

actually see what's going on. I'll explain why in just a

6:30

minute. But some people may

6:32

be offended with this, but I found

6:34

Donald Trump hawking the God Bless the USA

6:36

Bible hilarious, but also

6:39

doubly hilarious because it was hilarious. And one said,

6:41

let's just take a look. This is Donald Trump's

6:43

ad for a new Bible that

6:45

he's selling this cut for. I'm

6:47

proud to be partnering with my very good

6:49

friend Lee Greenwood. Who doesn't

6:52

love his song, God Bless the USA, in

6:55

connection with promoting the God Bless

6:57

the USA Bible. This

6:59

Bible is the King James Version

7:01

and also includes our founding for

7:03

other documents. Yes, the Constitution, which

7:06

I'm fighting for every single day, very

7:08

hard to keep Americans

7:10

protected. Also, the Bill of

7:12

Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and the

7:14

Pledge of Allegiance are all part

7:17

of this God Bless

7:19

the USA Bible. And it's very important and

7:21

very important to me. The

7:23

reason I find it funny is because it's like he's

7:26

selling steak knives, you know, and our operators are on

7:28

hold now. And if you call now, you get the

7:31

apocrypha as well or something like this. But what's also

7:33

funny about it is that it's

7:35

totally true that he is defending

7:38

our religious rights in the way the other

7:40

side is attacking them. And this is going

7:42

to be one of the big fights we're

7:44

about to have. Nick Mulvaney, who was Trump's

7:46

director of the Office of Management and Budget,

7:49

wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal

7:51

this morning or yesterday morning saying that

7:54

during the Trump administration, he was allowed, he

7:56

asked for permission to hold mass during Lent

7:58

in the old executive office. office building and

8:01

Trump gave permission to do that. And after

8:03

the mass started, Protestants and Muslims and Jewish

8:05

people started having services there as well because

8:07

they were working so hard that this way

8:10

they could worship and still have the services

8:12

on. And they

8:14

were all doing this and a lot of

8:16

them were Democrats. They were the, you know,

8:18

the lifetime bureaucrats or mostly on the left

8:21

and they were coming to these services to

8:23

worship as well. But when the Biden administration,

8:25

they cut them off during the COVID screw

8:27

up and then the

8:30

Biden administration has refused to bring them

8:32

back on. So no matter what Trump

8:34

actually believes, what he's doing is standing

8:36

up for the faith that underlies many

8:38

of our moral order and also the

8:40

moral order that leads to the freedom,

8:42

that leads to the Constitution. And all

8:44

of those things are actually true, even

8:46

if it sounds like he's selling knives.

8:48

And he's absolutely right, by the way,

8:50

that the Bible and liberty

8:53

are under attack. And there is a connection between

8:55

the Bible and liberty. And the weird thing, or

8:57

at least weird to me until you think it

8:59

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10:39

one of the reasons I actually love this

10:41

kind of Easter versus transgender visibility day controversy

10:43

was first of all, it really is a

10:46

preview of a serious upcoming conflict. This is

10:48

actually on the way. There are two big

10:50

upcoming conflicts. One is between us and China.

10:52

We'll talk about that another time. But this

10:54

is another one that's coming. And of course,

10:57

since all of these things get political,

10:59

everybody was lying. Everybody was fake about

11:01

it. And yet, and yet, even

11:04

when people lie, the truth tells itself.

11:06

So both sides took the opportunity to

11:08

use this for political purposes and let's

11:10

get the story straight. March 31st has

11:12

been called transgender visibility day since 2009.

11:15

This is something that was put in place

11:18

by gay activists during the Obama administration. It's

11:20

never fallen on Easter before and Biden is the

11:23

first president to make an official proclamation about it,

11:25

but this was not the first year he did

11:27

it. He did it in 2021. And

11:30

there was also a story going around that

11:32

Biden had banned religious decorations at the White

11:34

House Easter egg hunt, but that

11:36

was unfair. That's always been there for 30, 40

11:38

years. It's

11:41

wrong, but it's always been there and it wasn't

11:43

his specific fault. But transgender

11:46

day of visibility could have been moved to make

11:48

room. I mean, obviously it's not that important. It's

11:51

a very small thing. And it could have been

11:53

moved to make room for

11:55

the most important day in the Christian

11:57

calendar and the most actually religious day

11:59

of day. that has not been completely

12:02

secularized. It is a day that

12:04

still depends upon your belief in

12:06

the resurrection of Jesus Christ. But

12:09

obviously, this administration hates Jesus' guts

12:11

and the left hates Jesus most

12:13

of all, and it does. And

12:15

so, Corinne, John Identity Hire, speaking

12:17

as a lesbian woman of female

12:19

color who's lesbian, was obviously

12:21

ready. They were waiting for

12:23

Republicans to overreact. They love it

12:26

when Republicans overreact because it makes

12:28

us, or conservatives, or whatever, it

12:30

makes them look hateful, and they can always accuse them

12:32

of being hateful, and they love it. And so, she

12:34

stepped right up. That was like T-ball for her. It

12:36

was just cut, too. So, surprised

12:39

by the misinformation that's been out there around

12:41

this, and I want to be very clear,

12:44

every year for the past

12:46

several years, on March 31st,

12:48

Transgender Day of Visibility is

12:50

marked. And as we know,

12:52

for folks who understand the calendar and

12:55

how it works, Easter falls on different

12:57

Sundays, right? Every year. And

12:59

this year, it happened to coincide with

13:02

Transgender Visibility Day. And

13:05

so, that is the simple fact. That is

13:07

what has happened. That is where we are.

13:10

And I do want to say a couple of things because

13:12

I think it's important here, as

13:14

you just stated in your questions, what we've

13:16

been hearing out there, a lot of misinformation

13:19

done on purpose, and

13:21

as the Christian who celebrates

13:23

Easter with family, President Biden stands

13:26

for bringing people together and

13:28

upholding the dignity and freedoms of

13:30

every American. So, obviously,

13:32

he's ready to just, you know, we just happened

13:35

to, we didn't even notice. Who knew? Who knew

13:37

that Easter was gonna suddenly spring up on Sunday

13:39

and there was gonna be a conflict and maybe

13:41

this would hurt some people's feelings or offend people?

13:43

Because we're not really worried about offending people. Those

13:46

people are Christians. We're worried about offending everybody

13:48

else, but not the Christians. So, there was nothing

13:51

we could do about it. So, she was just

13:53

waiting for this and the White House loves this

13:55

stuff. But Mike Johnson, who had got caught out,

13:57

I think, accusing them of canceling Easter, of banning

13:59

Easter. In. The. Eastern. Religious

14:02

decorations with Easter egg on. He actually

14:04

understood what to do and he then

14:06

broadened the frame the says cup three.

14:09

This. Election Is is about showing the

14:11

contrast between these two visions for America.

14:13

In this, this proclamation on Easter Sunday

14:15

is just a great example of that.

14:17

This radical leftists, progressive vision for the

14:19

country is not who we are as

14:21

Americans and I think most of the

14:23

country agree for those shots. And that's

14:25

why we're going to have a very

14:27

successful election in November. Assad is

14:30

it on her phone store to we

14:32

have a situation where everybody is playing

14:34

politics, everybody's lying. but the truth is

14:36

telling herself because there is this conflict

14:38

between the left and religion and there

14:41

with the what Leftism is materialist ideas

14:43

and it's specifically around sexuality and transgender

14:45

ideology and I want us be clear.

14:47

I'll reiterate this a couple of times.

14:49

This is not an attack on gay

14:51

people or people who have gender dysphoria.

14:54

It's not about that. this has been

14:56

an ideology about as an idea that

14:58

you can change her sex. Which is

15:00

scientifically impossible. That transit that there's this

15:02

magical thing called gender that is different

15:04

from your sex was just isn't the

15:06

and academic ah you know trope that

15:08

has nothing to do with reality. And

15:10

it's about this ideology which has become

15:13

as we know from the death threats

15:15

that our staff gets whenever we talk

15:17

about this, in the fact that they

15:19

censor us on you tube and everywhere

15:21

else whenever we talk about this this

15:23

is a violence and sorriest ideology because

15:25

it's not backed up by the truth,

15:27

because it's and attempts to impose. A

15:29

religious in the sense of. Are. Irrational

15:32

view on our lives and I'm sure a

15:34

you've heard about this law in Scotland which

15:36

allows police to arrest you for miss tendering

15:38

which means telling the truth about with somebody

15:41

will gender is up. And. The all

15:43

of the stuff. Is is this. The

15:46

silencing people. is is

15:48

part of this and and it is

15:50

in fact spreading i was joking about

15:52

this in the opening but it is

15:54

spreading among young girls because young girls

15:56

have a pet that are very hooked

15:58

into their social networks by the emotionalism

16:00

of young girls, which is not, you know,

16:02

because guys are kind of dopes and they

16:04

don't really communicate emotionally in the same way.

16:06

So if a guy gets depressed, all his

16:08

guy friends don't get depressed, but if a

16:10

girl gets depressed, not only do her friends

16:12

get depressed, but everybody around her gets depressed,

16:14

and even people who are friends of her

16:16

friends get depressed. And Jonathan Haidt, the social

16:18

psychologist, he talks about this, and

16:21

he says, this is how we know

16:23

this surge of gender dysphoria is

16:25

not, in fact, just people feeling free to

16:27

come out. This is cut five. It

16:30

happens in clusters of girls. It happens

16:32

in clusters of girls who had no previous gender dysphoria

16:34

when they were young. So it's very different from the

16:36

kinds of gender dysphoria cases that we've known about for

16:38

decades. I mean, it is a real thing, but

16:41

what happened, especially when girls got YouTube

16:43

and Instagram early, but then especially TikTok,

16:46

girls just, you know, girls get

16:48

sucked into these war disease and they take on

16:50

each other's purported mental illnesses.

16:53

And this happens, you know, the Salem witch trials

16:55

were instigated by young girls,

16:58

Adolf Hitler, the cultural revolution, students,

17:00

young people, because of course, young

17:02

people, just by definition, are ignorant,

17:05

and ignorance and self certainty go together. But

17:07

why is this the battlefield? I mean, does anybody

17:09

ever stop because when you talk to religious

17:12

people about why they are opposed to transgenderism, they

17:14

usually kind of flutter around. A lot of

17:16

times they're not quite sure what it is that

17:18

is a problem here. Why not? If I mean,

17:21

if we can change, you know, it's not

17:23

like it's unnatural. Air conditioning is unnatural, and I

17:25

love this stuff. But

17:27

why is this so central to the upcoming clash

17:30

of cultures? And last week I was talking, and

17:32

I always hate to bring this up because I

17:34

know it angers people, but I was talking about

17:37

how angry people get about the perpetual virginity of

17:39

Mary, and the question is still a very hot

17:41

topic between Protestants and Catholics, but it's not really,

17:43

I don't believe, I don't believe what they're arguing

17:45

about is the historical fact, it is about the

17:48

meaning of elevating

17:50

virginity, that the

17:53

Catholics have maintained, really since early

17:55

on, that virginity celibacy, in

17:58

which erotic desire is trained. directly

18:00

toward God is a higher state even

18:03

than marriage. It doesn't mean you are holier.

18:05

It doesn't mean that you're a better person.

18:07

It simply means that by being celibate and

18:09

turning all your desire toward God, you're anticipating

18:12

the state of the angels in which there

18:14

is no marriage, as Jesus told us. So

18:16

you might be a crappy person, but in

18:18

that regard, you are anticipating that state. But

18:21

Protestants are very different. Protestants say no. And

18:23

John Milton, the great English poet and the

18:25

greatest long poem in English in Paradise Lost

18:28

has Adam and Eve go to bed and

18:30

have sex in Eden. And

18:32

he scolds, he's a Puritan, right? So

18:34

he scolds the Catholic idea of this.

18:37

And he says they go to bed and he says they

18:41

straight side by side were laid,

18:43

they're lying side by side. And

18:45

Adam from his fair spouse, nor

18:49

turned Adam from his fair spouse, he

18:51

didn't turn away from her, nor Eve,

18:53

the rights mysterious of canubial love refused.

18:55

So she didn't turn him down. And

18:58

then he goes on to scold the

19:00

Catholics, whatever hypocrites austerely talk of purity

19:02

and place and innocence to faming as

19:05

impure what God declares pure and commands

19:07

to some leaves free to all our

19:09

maker bids increase who bids abstain, but

19:11

our destroyer, photogotten man. So

19:14

God said increase and multiply. And only the devil

19:16

would tell us not to be having sex. Right.

19:19

So that's that's this argument that goes on between Catholics and

19:21

Protestants. And it's important because, you

19:24

know, for the Protestants, the angels

19:26

don't marry in heaven, not because

19:28

they're sexless, but because they blend

19:30

together so seamlessly that they don't

19:32

pass sex or beyond sexuality.

19:34

They're just completely able to

19:36

communicate bodily. But the

19:39

thing is, after the fall, after the fall

19:41

for both Catholics and Protestants, sex becomes very

19:43

difficult because sex is where the body and

19:45

the spirit meet. It's where we express the

19:48

deepest kind of love on earth. We

19:50

know and we do it with pleasure

19:52

and we do it with great urge

19:54

to reproduce. This is given to us

19:56

so that we will reproduce and clearly

19:58

the human sexual. Urge is out

20:00

of whack right? It's not for not

20:03

for straight people not for gay people

20:05

for everybody The human sexual urges out

20:07

of whack with the body is

20:09

out of whack with the spirit and the flesh Shouts

20:12

and the spirit whispers. We all know this

20:14

right our flesh is always telling us what

20:16

to do very loudly But the spirit is

20:18

always kind of a quiet the still small

20:20

voice within C. S. Lewis has this wonderful

20:22

passage as always cracks me up He says

20:24

you can get a large audience together for

20:26

a striptease act That is to watch a

20:28

girl undress on stage now suppose you came

20:30

to a country where you could fill a

20:33

theater by simply bringing a Covered plate onto

20:35

the stage and then slowly lifting the cover

20:37

so as to let everyone see just before

20:39

the lights went out that it contained A

20:41

mutton chop or a bit of bacon would

20:43

you not think that in that country something

20:45

had gone wrong with the appetite for food?

20:47

So that an obvious sense that we are

20:49

governed by our sexual urges in ways that

20:51

sometimes might be harmful to our personalities I

20:53

mean everybody knows this to be true just

20:56

by experience because we've all had sexual experiences

20:58

where we thought I'm really sorry I did

21:00

that but at the time it seemed like

21:02

a great idea Our appetite

21:04

is out of sex with our spirit and like

21:06

I said, this is for everybody. It is not

21:08

calling anybody out It's all of us are

21:10

in this situation and God doesn't care You

21:12

know God cares what you're doing, but he

21:15

also knows what you're thinking so he's not

21:17

fooled by any of us pretending to be

21:19

righteous So the battle is not really Jesus

21:21

versus sex It's Jesus versus the fall Jesus

21:23

versus this thing that is out of whack

21:25

in us Which is why those

21:28

people who want to enslave you? Want

21:30

you to focus not on how to

21:32

use your body for love but

21:35

how to use your body in a

21:37

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21:39

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21:41

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21:43

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21:45

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There are no ways. Chapter

23:07

2, this is my body.

23:10

So I'm watching the three-body

23:12

problem on Netflix. It's based

23:14

on the much celebrated

23:16

novel. I don't really

23:18

know how to pronounce a Chinese name, Lu Qicin,

23:20

I think it is. His

23:22

novel is a trilogy of novels. The show

23:24

is so far just dealing with the first

23:27

book. It was nominated

23:29

for all the big science fiction award.

23:31

The sequel won some of those awards.

23:33

I've read the first book of it.

23:35

I am really enjoying

23:37

the Netflix show much, much

23:40

more than I enjoyed the book. The book

23:42

is very dense with science

23:44

and speculative science. My eyes

23:46

glazed over. I know this sounds hilariously

23:51

racist, but you know how white people are

23:53

always complaining that Chinese people all look alike?

23:55

Obviously there are no looks in the book

23:57

because it's just prose, words on a book.

24:00

page, but they have no emotional

24:03

resonance. They don't

24:05

distinguish themselves. You cannot tell one

24:07

character from another and being an

24:09

American who only speaks English, the

24:12

names get all confused and all that stuff. I

24:14

couldn't tell anybody apart. And some people are complaining

24:16

that they whitewashed the cast. They included British people

24:18

and black people and white people and all these

24:20

different people. And I'm like, good, now I know

24:23

who everybody is. Plus, they have emotions, which they

24:25

just don't have in the novel. So I'm actually

24:27

enjoying the story and they've reduced it to its

24:29

plot, which is a very interesting plot, which I could

24:31

tell as I was reading the book. But

24:33

the opening scene caught

24:36

a lot of people off guard because

24:38

it takes place in the Cultural Revolution, which happened

24:40

in China between 1966 and 1976,

24:43

when basically the students, the young people,

24:45

because as I said, they're always at

24:47

the vanguard of violent politics, whether it

24:49

was in Nazi Germany, whether it's in

24:51

China, you know, they are

24:53

young people are by

24:55

definition ignorant. They haven't had time to learn

24:58

the things that you learn simply by living

25:00

and by reading and by growing up. And

25:03

ignorance and self certainty go together. You're very sure

25:05

of yourself when you don't know anything. All you

25:07

have to do is go on Twitter or X

25:09

and you'll see the people who are screaming the

25:11

loudest are the people who are

25:13

the most ignorant. Once you get some experience, you

25:15

start to be unsure. You know, you should be

25:17

unsure. You should understand the world is full of

25:20

gray areas and we really should all just be

25:22

nicer to our to each other no matter who

25:24

we are, because we don't

25:26

ever know completely that we're absolutely

25:29

certainly right. So during

25:31

the Cultural Revolution, the

25:34

students were ginned up to turn on

25:36

their professors because the intellectuals were saying

25:38

things that were against what was now

25:40

going to be declared the truth, which

25:42

was the communist ideology that was going

25:44

to be the truth just like transgenderism,

25:47

whether it was the truth or not.

25:49

And simply because there was no God

25:51

to vouchsafe the truth, any we were

25:53

the arbiters of truth and we can

25:55

just declare a new truth. It's just

25:58

everything else is just a construct. It's

26:00

just a human social construct. They were just

26:02

going to declare the truth. And if you

26:04

weren't on board, you were canceled, which among

26:06

the communist Chinese was a lot more painful

26:08

than getting kicked off Twitter. They actually surrounded

26:11

you, kicked you, tortured you, killed you.

26:13

They did all those things because that's

26:15

how communists do. And

26:18

this was obviously under Mao Zedong. So

26:20

in the opening sequence, this professor is

26:22

brought before a mob of young people

26:24

screaming about him and interrogating him. Let's

26:26

play. I'll keep talking over it because

26:28

it's in Chinese. This is the first

26:30

scene. Play clip one. And

26:33

they bring out this professor and they bring out his

26:35

wife, who's now been great. She's trying to save her

26:37

life, right? And they've got him with a dunce cap

26:39

and they're holding him before the mob. And

26:42

they start screaming at him. And what did they scream?

26:44

He's a physics professor. And what are they screaming at

26:46

him? They're screaming that you taught Einstein

26:49

relativity and you taught

26:51

the Big Bang Theory. And they start to beat

26:53

him. It's just a very, very upsetting scene. And

26:56

you lectured on the counter-revolutionary Big

26:58

Bang Theory, she screams. And the

27:00

poor scientist says, it's the most

27:02

plausible explanation for the origin of

27:05

the universe, right? And

27:07

the girl who's beating him, and they tell you this in the

27:09

book, she's kind of curious. If

27:12

time began, if time had a beginning, which

27:14

is the Big Bang Theory, what came before

27:17

time? And she's actually kind of curious. And

27:20

his wife says, this opens a place for

27:22

God, right? And

27:25

she says to him, are you suggesting God exists?

27:28

And the physicist says, science

27:30

has given no evidence either

27:33

way. And of course that's true because

27:35

science deals with the material world and

27:37

God is spirit. But if time stopped,

27:40

if there was a place before time,

27:42

then there's a place before reason. Because

27:44

time is what causes cause and effect.

27:46

And reason is about cause and effect

27:49

and the relationship of material. And

27:52

if there's no material, if there's no time, this is a place beyond

27:55

reason, beyond matter. Now, the

27:57

Chinese were very upset with this scene. my

28:00

son Spencer Clavin, no relation. In

28:03

the book, when they published the book in China,

28:05

they buried this opening scene in the middle of

28:07

the book because they figured the sensors, it was

28:09

a big book and they figured the sensors wouldn't

28:11

get that far and they didn't, but in America

28:13

they put it back in the opening where it

28:15

belongs. But the Chinese felt this is an attack

28:18

because all tyrants feel the truth is an attack.

28:20

And here, won't people think it's an attack because

28:22

all tyrants feel truth is an attack. And here's

28:24

what David Benioff, this is the same creative team

28:26

or some of the same creative team that did

28:28

Game of Thrones, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, very

28:30

talented guys. And Benioff says to the Hollywood

28:32

Reporter, this isn't a commentary, okay, listen to

28:34

this, this isn't a commentary on cancel culture,

28:36

but we do tend to move in cycles

28:38

in terms of human history and we're going

28:40

through a certain period of that cycle right

28:42

now. There are many very significant differences between

28:44

the current time and the cultural revolution, but

28:46

there are also some similarities. It was never

28:48

something where we were like, we should do

28:51

this show because we wanna make a commentary

28:53

on that. But it is interesting that the

28:55

parallels are there and are hard to ignore.

28:57

And there are significant differences like they were

28:59

speaking Chinese. So you

29:01

don't wanna get in trouble, but he's saying it is parable. And

29:04

it centers on our old

29:06

friend, Uncle God, right? Because

29:08

in the Newtonian mechanical universe,

29:10

people thought, well, everything's gonna be mechanical, so maybe there

29:13

is no God, although Newton never thought that. But

29:15

modern physics, Einstein, who Hitler also hated

29:17

because that was Jewish science, when they're

29:19

talking about burning books, they burned Iceland's

29:21

books, it was Jewish science. Einstein

29:25

created a place where things

29:27

were uncertain. This is where

29:29

quantum theory and the uncertainty

29:31

comes in and where the

29:34

primacy of consciousness comes in

29:36

because things apparently don't actually

29:38

have full reality until they're

29:41

experienced by consciousness. And if

29:43

creation begins, then something

29:45

comes before matter. Consciousness comes before

29:47

matter, which is something we never

29:49

experienced in life because even though

29:52

our consciousness is what creates things,

29:54

we know is coming out through our

29:56

brains, we confuse the brain with our

29:58

mind. But consciousness also... does something else.

30:00

It creates meaning. You know, if a tree falls in

30:02

a forest, it may not make a sound, but it

30:05

makes all the necessary

30:08

attributes to sound until a human ear hears

30:10

it. And the same thing is true with

30:12

meaning, moral meaning. If a child is beaten

30:14

to death and nobody is conscious, nobody knows

30:17

that it is evil for there to be

30:19

true meaning, and for meaning

30:21

to be true and not a social

30:23

construct. It has to begin with the

30:26

consciousness that created us and be perceived

30:28

by the consciousness that was created. And

30:30

that's the theory of religion. We believe

30:32

that there was a consciousness that created

30:34

and it created us in such a

30:37

way that we could understand the meaning

30:39

that he placed in things. Now, we

30:42

are embodied. There is no way to experience our

30:44

life except with our bodies, through our bodies, in

30:46

our bodies. They have no other way of doing

30:48

this. And that means that we have to find

30:50

out what the meaning of our body is because

30:52

that's going to be the meaning of our life.

30:54

That's where our body

30:57

is like a word that expresses the soul.

30:59

It's not like a little ghost inside the

31:01

machine. Our body lives up the soul. And

31:03

we know this because we meal when we

31:05

pray or when we propose marriage. We jump

31:08

up and down at a football game. We

31:10

understand that our body expresses meaning.

31:12

And it's not just true for humans. I've

31:14

spoken before about monkeys, you

31:16

know, and macaque monkeys specifically, who apparently

31:19

have a lot of similarities to human

31:21

beings. When a male

31:23

macaque monkey wants to express that he

31:26

is submissive to a stronger male, he

31:28

presents himself, it's called, which is that

31:30

he presents himself as if to have

31:32

sex. He presents himself as a woman.

31:35

The male monkey doesn't have sex with

31:37

him, but the presentation isn't enough for

31:39

the big monkey,

31:41

the powerful monkey, to know he's not being

31:44

challenged. We see

31:46

some kind of submission in

31:48

femininity. We know this because

31:50

we use the F word

31:52

to express hostility as aggression.

31:55

And in the church, thinking about the

31:58

fact that God's meaning is

32:00

not our meaning, our meaning, material meaning is all

32:02

power. So the church starts thinking, well, wait a

32:04

minute, wait a minute. This is the first

32:06

time this has ever happened that people started thinking

32:08

about what women needed, what women were and who

32:10

women are, that if women

32:12

are submitting, is

32:15

that a question of power or is it a question of

32:17

love? And they started to say, well, maybe it's like, you

32:20

know, in the world of power,

32:22

the poor don't matter, women don't matter, the

32:24

weak don't matter, only the strong matter. But

32:27

Jesus told us no, in his

32:29

realm, it's the weak and the

32:31

poor and the women who

32:33

actually come first, the last

32:35

shall be first. So the church thinks

32:38

about this and says, well, if love

32:40

supersedes power, if even the son of

32:42

God washes the feet of his disciples,

32:44

that makes wifely submission look like the

32:46

church submitting itself in love to Christ

32:48

and Christ sacrificing himself to that submission

32:50

in love for the happiness of the wife,

32:52

a husband sacrificing himself for the happiness of

32:55

the wife. So

32:57

that's where we get this idea, you

32:59

know, that and that's why

33:01

people who lose their religion begin to

33:03

obsess over power, like Nietzsche, you know,

33:06

basically saying this Christianity stuff is for

33:08

slaves, it's just a trick that slaves

33:10

pulled on the powerful. We need an

33:12

Ubermensch, a powerful mensch to rewrite morality

33:15

and that's why the Nazis adopted Nietzsche,

33:17

even though he was not a Nazi

33:19

himself, they adopted his philosophy because they

33:22

took him seriously. So what does a

33:24

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33:26

is power look like as a

33:28

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33:30

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Scary Ben. It's not that

35:17

Ben, though he's very scary too. So

35:19

here's another quote from C.S. Lewis. He

35:21

says, those who begin by worshiping power

35:23

soon worship evil. Now why should that

35:25

be true? There was this hilarious article

35:27

in the New York Times, a former

35:29

newspaper, and I'll tell you why I

35:31

thought it was hilarious in just a

35:33

second. It's called A Brooklyn Sex Club

35:35

Promised Freedom, but some called

35:38

it rape. How could that be?

35:40

It's by Sarah Maslin Nier. I

35:42

wish I could read you the whole thing. It's a long magazine. I

35:44

think it was in the New York Times Magazine. I wish I could

35:46

read the whole thing because it is just an amazing piece. But let

35:48

me just read you a little bit. The

35:51

Townhouse, and just to set this,

35:53

this is about real estate

35:55

holdings, apartment

35:57

buildings that are dedicated to freedom. free

36:00

sex to orgies. The townhouse

36:02

in Bushwick, Brooklyn was once a beacon

36:04

for Jennifer Fisher, a place where she

36:06

did not have to hide that she

36:08

was polyamorous and kinky because her housemates

36:10

were too. The landlord, a

36:12

group called Hacienda, had a unique

36:14

vision, creating a community of sexually

36:17

adventurous people whose house rules preached

36:19

consent above all else, consent

36:22

above all else, particularly

36:24

during the orgies they threw in the

36:26

basement every week. Ms. Fisher

36:28

felt a measure of pride at being part

36:30

of a community that had pushed for greater

36:32

acceptance of her lifestyle. That feeling

36:35

helped her ignore what she described

36:37

as Hacienda's dark side, a series

36:40

of claims from guests and tenants

36:42

who said they were victims of

36:44

sexual or physical assault under its

36:47

auspices. Then said Jennifer

36:49

Fisher, it happened to her. Now, what

36:51

I love about this article, what's so

36:53

funny to me about this article is

36:55

the po-faced idea, the straight-faced idea that

36:57

there's no moral question about how we

36:59

use our bodies on each other except

37:03

consent. So if

37:05

I want to beat you to death

37:07

as long as you consent, that's fine.

37:09

But sex for some reason is the

37:11

only thing we do with our bodies

37:13

that has no moral value. They call

37:15

kinky sex sexual expression,

37:17

sexual expression, as if

37:19

following your fleshly urges

37:22

without following your spiritual

37:24

urges is an expression of

37:26

yourself when it's not. It's just an expression

37:29

of your flesh because our flesh and our

37:31

spirit are out of whack. Now,

37:34

I'm going to say this again because that really does bother

37:36

me. A

37:38

lot of people who call themselves Christians,

37:41

they react with this ugly, hissing, demonic

37:43

hatred and cruelty to people who are

37:45

gay or people who do have some

37:47

kind of gender dysphoria. You all know

37:49

my wonderful son is gay. And my

37:51

feeling is you want to evangelize marriage,

37:54

get married, make your spouse happy, show

37:56

that married joy to the world. And

37:58

that's evangelical, spitting in some. of

38:00

people like a possessed demon, evangelizing

38:03

possessed demons, okay? I mean,

38:06

listen, Christianity has been

38:08

the core of my life and has been

38:10

the turning point of my life and Christianity

38:13

can make sinful people beautiful, but sinful people

38:15

can make Christianity ugly. You know, it really

38:17

depends on whether you put Jesus Christ first

38:19

or your own prejudices and small-mindedness. That's the

38:22

difference. So, all right, the New York

38:24

Times writes as if there's no morality to how to

38:26

use your body sexually except consent. That's the only thing.

38:29

And then they wonder how

38:31

does consent, when we prime-meditize

38:33

consent, how does it turn out to be raped?

38:35

So, here's this wonderful scene where they're talking to

38:37

all the people who've been assaulted in this place.

38:40

Four people said that one former Hacienda

38:42

resident who went by the scene name,

38:44

this is sexual life, it's called the

38:46

scene, right? It went by the scene

38:48

name Scary Ben. So, one

38:51

resident who went by the scene

38:53

name Scary Ben, punched or brutally

38:55

bit them during sex or removed

38:58

condoms without consent. Scary

39:00

Ben's behavior so concerned a group of

39:02

female residents at Hacienda in 2012 that

39:05

they convened a meeting to discuss him.

39:07

When a Hacienda organizer learned of it,

39:09

he took no action against the man

39:12

but excoriated the women because Hacienda was afraid

39:14

of being sued. It's always the women

39:16

who get hit on this, right? When

39:19

they say, could you stop having male athletes

39:21

perform as women, it's always the women who

39:23

get yelled at. It's amazing. So,

39:26

Scary Ben was still living in one

39:28

of the brownstones about two years later

39:30

after the women had gathered, worried about

39:32

him, when another resident named

39:34

Kristin said he raped her in her

39:37

room at the Hacienda Villa on Troutman

39:39

Street. She said, Scary

39:41

Ben, a surrealist clown and burlesque

39:43

performer who was known at Hacienda

39:45

for his intense spanking demonstrations, forced

39:47

her to have sex while she

39:49

was wearing a tampon. Now, who

39:52

could have seen that coming? Who could

39:54

have seen that a surrealist clown named

39:56

Scary Ben who gave intense spanking demonstrations

39:59

would mistreat someone? How could you possibly

40:01

have thought it but it's built into the system,

40:03

you know Big article

40:05

very big widely publicized article in the

40:07

New York magazine by a Pulitzer Prize

40:09

winning critic Which is amazing to me

40:12

named Andrea Long Chu born a man

40:14

says he's a woman Okay, and it's

40:16

called freedom of sex the moral case

40:18

for letting trans kids change their bodies

40:20

and it's an insane article I can't

40:22

read a lot of it to you

40:24

But but Andrea long true has

40:27

this theory that actually is true in

40:29

part This is the thing about transgender. It's actually true

40:31

in part. He has a book called females It's not

40:33

from the article, but it would the article was very

40:35

big and sort of expressed his philosophy But let me

40:37

tell you what he says about females It's

40:40

a man who thinks he's a woman or lives as

40:43

a woman I'll define

40:45

as female any psychic

40:47

operation in which the self

40:49

is sacrificed to make room for the

40:51

desires of another These desires

40:53

may be real or imagined concentrated or

40:55

diffuse a boyfriend sexual needs a set

40:57

of cultural expectations a literal

40:59

pregnancy But in all cases the self

41:02

is hollowed out made into an incubator

41:04

for an alien force to be female

41:06

is to let someone else Do your

41:08

desiring for you at your own expense?

41:11

This means that female ness is

41:13

always bad for you because you

41:15

are giving yourself up giving Way

41:18

yourself which we know in Christianity is what

41:20

you're meant to do. You're just a macaque

41:22

monkey. You're just expressing weakness That's all you're

41:24

doing you submit to pregnancy to being entered.

41:27

You're nothing and this is what he says I'm

41:30

still quoting him now Everyone is

41:32

female and everyone hates it. That's what

41:34

they said in the Barbie movie, right

41:36

men hate women women hate women Everyone

41:39

is female and everyone hates it if

41:41

this is true Then gender is very

41:43

simply the form of this self-loathing takes

41:45

in any given case all Gender

41:48

is eternalized misogyny all gender is the

41:50

hatred of women because it's all about

41:53

power and women have less power and

41:55

women are Entered instead of entering this

41:57

is what this is what they're saying

42:00

a cock monkey. And so by being a

42:02

woman, you have no power. You are nothing.

42:04

You are nothing. This is a view of

42:06

women you get from pornography. And it derives

42:08

from something, I've talked about it before, I

42:10

know it's called supernormal stimulus. So that it's

42:13

an exaggerate, this is what Wikipedia defines

42:15

supernormal stimulus, an exaggerated version of a

42:17

stimulus to which there is an existing

42:20

response tendency. So if you want, this

42:22

is why boys start watching pornography and

42:24

end up watching S&M pornography, something I

42:26

told you I experienced when I was

42:28

writing Empire of Lies about a sadomasochist.

42:30

And I started researching, I got drawn

42:32

in to this pornography because it is

42:35

male action taken to its extreme, which is

42:37

the way nature works. And this is why

42:40

Fifty Shades of Grey is one of the

42:42

biggest bestsellers ever because if a woman wants

42:44

to be swept off her feet and carried

42:47

away and wants to surrender herself, this becomes

42:49

getting tied down and being whipped and beaten

42:51

under the rule of supernormal stimulus. The

42:54

opposite approach is the Christian approach is the

42:56

one where love supersedes power. I go back

42:58

to Paradise Lost, this great poem by John

43:01

Milton, one of the most controversial lines in

43:03

all of poetry. He says, Adam is created

43:05

for God only, and she is created for

43:07

God in him. And that's talking about submission.

43:10

You know, recently I was told about something

43:12

that happened when the Titanic, I'm quoting this

43:14

from memory. So if I get my facts

43:16

slightly wrong, it doesn't matter. It's almost a

43:18

parable. As they were loading the Titanic,

43:21

one of the women said to her husband, I will

43:23

not get on the boat without you. I won't

43:25

get on the boat. And the man said

43:27

to her, you know, I never thought I

43:29

would have to command you to obey me,

43:32

but I'm doing that now. Get in the

43:34

boat. She got in the boat and he

43:36

went down with the ship. That is Christian

43:38

submission. That's a very different kind of thing,

43:41

right? Because the symbolism of our body's demands

43:43

that we are going to enter each other

43:45

and be entered, submit and act.

43:48

And what the church is

43:50

saying, what Christianity is saying is

43:53

that the man can't be

43:55

submitted to until he submits to God. That's

43:57

what Milton is saying. He is submitting to

43:59

God. And she is submitting

44:01

to God through him. It's a

44:03

very very different thing That looks like

44:06

the Titanic which of course, you

44:08

know that that's sacrificial love that is sacrificial

44:10

love The woman is sacrificing and by the

44:12

way He this guy

44:14

is right. This true guy is right that

44:16

we hate it We hate submitting women hate

44:19

that be told what to do men don't like

44:21

to sack to submit themselves to God. I've done

44:24

it It's very tough. It takes a lot of

44:26

work a lot of psychic work before you do

44:28

it but once you do it the Relationship

44:31

between a man and his wife is not

44:33

at all about power. It's not about power

44:35

at all. It is not about power Literally

44:38

at all it is

44:40

about sacrificial love for the

44:42

creation of new life Which is of

44:44

course the meaning of Easter sacrificial love

44:47

that leads to new life submission that

44:49

leads to power and the opposite meaning

44:51

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46:36

I always tell you that you get tomorrow's

46:38

news today on this show and sometimes when

46:40

I say tomorrow, I mean like 10 years

46:43

from now. And I've been telling you for

46:45

10 years at least that

46:47

there was a religious revival coming in this country,

46:49

but that the trick here is

46:52

that it was going to come from the

46:54

intellectual top down. And

46:57

by the way, this is the whole problem with

46:59

my life and career is that I always

47:01

say these things first, but I never get

47:04

credit for them because I know

47:06

them the way an artist knows things. I know them

47:09

instinctively and I know them from kind of reading poetry

47:11

and novels and that's how they come into my head.

47:13

And my son, who as you know

47:15

is no relation, says to me, you

47:17

don't show your work. I always say, well, you know, I say these

47:19

things first and then some other guy comes along and says them and

47:21

he gets all the credit and he says, you don't show your work.

47:23

And I say, I'm an artist. I'm not supposed to show my work.

47:26

I was supposed to hide my work. I'm supposed to make it

47:28

look easy. That's why I don't spell my name with any ease.

47:30

There's no ease in Cleven. So how

47:32

did I know? How did I know that this was

47:34

going to happen? It's because I love the romantics. I

47:36

love the romantic poets and that era. This

47:39

is when the French Revolution, an

47:42

era very much like ours, the French

47:44

Revolution and the failed, it sparked

47:47

this era of hope and especially in

47:49

the young and then it failed

47:51

because it just led to tyranny and world war. The

47:54

sixties revolution was like that. I was there. You know,

47:56

people thought this was the age of Aquarius. Everything's going

47:58

to be love and peace. And

48:00

no, it's just human beings continuing to

48:02

be human beings, big surprise. There was

48:04

sexual freedom in both. People

48:07

forget this back in the late 18th

48:09

century, early 19th century. People

48:12

were saying marriage is a bad idea. Shelley

48:14

wanted free love. Percy Shelley

48:16

wanted free love and made Mary Shelley's

48:19

life a misery by sometimes practicing

48:21

it. And his wife,

48:23

who killed herself. And

48:26

so there were, and it was followed by

48:28

decadence. This freedom of sexuality was followed by

48:30

decadence. And then the

48:32

Oxford movement came along in which

48:34

Oxford intellectuals led by Cardinal Newman

48:37

revivified what became known as Anglo-Catholicism,

48:39

which is my personal sect, with

48:41

this new orthodoxy. And many of

48:44

them actually ultimately became Catholics. And

48:47

it coincided at the same time with the

48:49

rise of a less intellectual religious movement, which

48:52

was called evangelicalism. That's where the evangelicals come

48:54

from. And that became the

48:56

underlying philosophy of the Victorian age, one

48:58

of the greatest ages of culture in

49:01

the world when Britain not only reached

49:03

its pinnacle in science and literature and

49:06

some of the other arts, but also spread them to the

49:08

world. And I know a lot of people hate empire. I'm

49:11

actually a fan of the British empire. I think

49:13

it actually improved the world with all the atrocities

49:15

that come along with human beings being human beings.

49:17

But I think it was actually a good thing.

49:20

So that's why I kind of knew that this

49:22

time is so much like that, that something like

49:24

this was coming. Someone

49:27

sent me this article from The Spectator by

49:29

Justin Briarly. Is

49:31

a Christian revival underway? As

49:34

a believer, I see signs that Christ is moving in

49:36

the minds and hearts of secular

49:38

intellectuals. And the thing starts

49:41

with Tom Holland. I hate this guy,

49:43

Tom Holland, because he gets credit for saying

49:45

things in Dominion that I've been saying for

49:47

years. No, he's actually a lovely person. He's

49:49

an absolutely lovely person, a terrific writer, terrific

49:51

as, or I'm joking, I'm joking. I also

49:53

hate him because my wife likes his podcast

49:55

too much. But

49:58

this thing that Christianity... Christianity permeated our

50:00

culture and changed it in ways that we

50:03

don't even understand. You know, I was saying

50:05

before, and damn it, I want credit

50:07

for that. But he gets this. He says

50:09

Tom Holland was told that he needed an operation

50:12

for cancer on his, I believe, in his

50:14

digestive tract. And he,

50:16

who has been struggling, as he told

50:18

us on the show, has been rethinking his

50:20

approach to Christianity and whether there was a

50:22

God. He prayed to the mother

50:24

of God, Mary, and through a set of

50:27

unusual circumstances led to his diagnosis being reversed

50:29

and no surgery was needed. And Tom said

50:31

this, in a wonderful phrase, he said, the

50:33

moment you accept that there are angels, then

50:36

suddenly the world just seems richer and more

50:38

interesting, which is a wonderful British thing to

50:40

say. And I would add, once you accept

50:43

that we are dealing with powers instead of

50:45

people, we're dealing with powers beyond our understanding,

50:47

the world makes more sense. You realize you're

50:49

not in a fight with the guy next

50:51

to you. You're in a fight with something

50:54

else, some power above him that maybe has

50:56

infested him and then you can actually begin

50:58

to love your enemies, which is

51:00

very liberating, even though it drives all

51:02

my friends crazy that I do that.

51:04

So Justin Bradley talks about all these

51:06

things that are happening. You've heard them

51:08

all on the show. Ian Hersey-O'Lee, an

51:10

absolutely noble, heroic woman, has suddenly turned

51:12

to Christianity. Russell Brand, not

51:15

an absolutely terrific noble woman, but a

51:17

funny comedian at times, has said that

51:19

he is now identifying as a Christian,

51:21

a poet called Paul Kingsnorth. Over

51:24

the weekend, over the Easter weekend, Jordan

51:26

Peterson's absolutely delightful wife, Tammy. You

51:29

would expect Jordan to have a delightful wife, and he does. She is wonderful.

51:31

She was baptized. I think she was

51:33

confirmed into the Catholic faith. She may

51:35

have already been baptized, I'm not sure.

51:38

And I'm really happy for her, and

51:40

I offer Tammy my congratulations. And Jordan,

51:42

who loves her so much, these loved

51:44

her since they were children together. And

51:47

here is Jordan on an interview with

51:49

the Catholic EWTN with Colm Flynn. And

51:52

he says, well, what about you? Are you

51:54

going to come across? We're all sort of

51:56

waiting because Jordan has been wrestling with the angel for

51:58

so long. you come

52:00

across and here's Jordan's response. I

52:02

don't think anything's holding me back. Everybody's

52:05

got their own destiny.

52:10

And so... Is it in yours? Is

52:15

it in mine? I

52:17

would say it's unlikely. But...

52:21

Why do you say unlikely? I

52:24

exist on the borders of things. So...

52:32

Why is that? I

52:34

don't know. You know, he exists on the

52:36

borders. I think I know. But he

52:38

talks about this too, that when you are

52:40

a very bright person and you love your

52:42

intelligence and your intelligence gives you joy, it's

52:44

very hard to release it. Because when you

52:46

say that, when you accept Christ, you're accepting

52:48

a truth and that means you move on

52:51

from that truth. And one of the biggest

52:53

things that kept me from doing

52:55

that was I was afraid I'd become a smiley

52:57

faced idiot. You know, that I would start to

52:59

yell at people who disagreed with me or that

53:02

I'd become small minded in the

53:04

sense of hating people for not agreeing

53:06

with my sense of doctrine. None of that

53:08

actually happened. In fact, my idea of humanity

53:10

became much more realistic, which is what happens

53:12

when you accept the truth. But it feels

53:15

like you're afraid of that you're surrendering your

53:17

intellectual freedom. And

53:20

that is the intellectual... dilemma. But

53:24

I, you know, like I said, I don't

53:26

worry about Jordan at all, because I believe when you

53:28

turn your trajectory to God, God's like a tractor beam.

53:31

I know there are... I don't think there are actual

53:33

tractor beams, but he will draw you in, whether

53:35

in this life or the next. And I trust...

53:38

I don't, you know, I don't trust doctrine. I

53:40

trust God. I actually do. And I think that

53:42

God uses the integrity of good men, even in

53:44

their hesitations. And he draw... And I think that

53:47

Jordan's struggle draws all of us in. So another

53:50

thing that happened this Easter week is the great

53:52

atheist Richard Dawkins. There's a guy I actually, when

53:55

he talks about science, I actually respect him, though

53:57

not his religious ideas, because I don't think he

53:59

knows anything. about religion, but this is what he said cut

54:02

six. There's a distinction between being

54:04

a believing Christian and being a cultural

54:06

Christian. And so, you know, I love

54:08

hymns and Christmas carols. And

54:11

I sort of feel at home in

54:14

the Christian ethos, I feel that we

54:16

are a Christian country in

54:18

that sense. It's true,

54:20

but statistically, the number of people

54:23

who actually believe in Christianity is

54:25

going down, and I am

54:27

happy with that. But I would not

54:29

be happy if, for example,

54:31

we lost all our cathedrals and

54:33

our beautiful parish churches. So

54:36

I count myself a cultural Christian. I think

54:39

it wouldn't matter if we, certainly,

54:42

if we substituted any alternative religion, that

54:44

would be truly dreadful. I

54:47

know what you're thinking, but I'm thinking, what do you think is going

54:49

to happen? Because if you

54:51

don't worship God, you will worship anything.

54:53

And Justin Freirely writes, if conservative leaning

54:56

intellectuals only cosplay at Christianity, and he

54:58

says that's Tom Holland's phrase without really

55:00

believing it, then this new theist movement

55:02

will inevitably fade away. And I think

55:05

co-opting Christianity in the cause of an anti-woke agenda

55:07

in order to fend off radical Islam turns it

55:10

into a useful political tool that drains out of

55:12

any life-giving power. I absolutely agree with this.

55:14

I absolutely agree that that's true. But

55:18

Dawkins is a symptom. He's a symptom. If

55:21

a great wave washes in, some of us are going

55:23

to be swept away if it's a great wave of

55:25

truth. Some of us are going to be

55:27

swept away with the truth. Some of us are going to

55:29

get splashed. It still means the wave is coming in. And

55:31

that's why, again, trusting in God, I don't really worry

55:34

about any of this. There

55:38

is a God. He is in charge, and

55:41

I've got more faith in him. And God is using

55:43

all of this. It's like Donald Trump and his Bible.

55:45

No one, this is the thing.

55:47

No one thinks that Constantine's conversion, the

55:49

Emperor Constantine's conversion in 331, I

55:52

think it was, 330, nobody

55:54

thinks that that was real. He was a cynic. He thought,

55:57

this is the way my empire is going, so I better

55:59

get on board. But that transformed the Roman

56:01

Empire and that transformed not just the world as

56:03

it was, but the Europe that was to come

56:05

and all the people in the emperor. No

56:08

one person, it's just like I was saying before,

56:10

nobody tells the truth, but the truth

56:13

tells itself. So I

56:15

want to end, because I really do love Tom Holland. He's

56:18

not just a charming, charming

56:20

individual. I really enjoyed his

56:22

book and I've read more of

56:25

his stuff and I've met him

56:27

and talked to him and he's

56:29

just a delight. So I

56:31

want to end with a very long clip

56:34

from him. He was on a Christian radio

56:36

show called The Big Conversation and he was

56:38

there with a philosopher named A.C. Grayling. I'm

56:40

going to play, it's two minutes long. And A.C. Grayling

56:43

challenged him about what Christianity

56:45

has done for our culture and

56:47

Tom, because he's so versed in it,

56:49

was able to show his work and

56:51

answer him very specifically, cut seven. And

56:54

I would ask Tom this, and this is

56:57

a surprising question maybe, to nominate for me

56:59

one thing, just one thing that

57:02

Christianity has introduced that doesn't

57:04

have some source,

57:07

some parallel, some analogy in

57:10

previous and in other civilizations.

57:13

One novelty, one innovation in

57:15

thinking about anything, ethical, metaphysical,

57:17

anything that you like. And

57:19

I must say I've ruck my brains over this often

57:22

enough and I cannot think of one who would love

57:24

to hear if there is one. Do you accept that

57:26

challenge? Absolutely. I think

57:28

the ideal of lifelong matrimony,

57:31

I think that's a very

57:33

distinctive Christian concept. I

57:35

think the category of what by

57:37

the 19th century is going to

57:39

be categorized as homosexuality and heterosexuality,

57:41

I think they have no precedence.

57:43

I think the notion of secularism,

57:46

the idea of there being religions,

57:48

I think all these are entirely

57:50

exclusive to Christian civilization. I think

57:53

the concept of science as it

57:55

emerges in the 19th century, I

57:57

think is entirely exclusive to the

58:00

Christian civilization, I think

58:02

the idea that human beings

58:04

are created in the image of God, that

58:06

is obviously something that Christians share

58:08

with Jews, but that is a,

58:11

it gives a degree of dignity to

58:13

human beings that no other cultural tradition

58:15

that I'm aware of even remotely approximates

58:17

to. So I think that all of

58:19

those are, and essentially what I'm talking

58:21

in giving that is

58:23

I am talking about what makes

58:26

Western civilization distinctive. And one

58:28

of the things that absolutely makes Western civilization

58:30

distinctive, and it's an inheritance of

58:32

its Christian past, is its assumption

58:34

that its values are universal. This

58:37

has been fundamental to the way that

58:40

Christians have understood their faith, that

58:42

it is for all of humanity.

58:45

And to this day, the heirs

58:47

of that cultural tradition want to

58:49

believe that their values are not

58:51

contingent, but somehow are the property

58:53

of all humanity. So

58:55

let's go through that lifelong matrimony based

58:58

on sacrificial love. Homosexuality

59:00

exists versus heterosexuality. Secularism

59:03

exists versus religion. That

59:05

science exists. It is an invention of the Christian

59:07

culture that we're created in the image of God

59:09

and these values

59:12

are universal. Is there any part

59:14

of that that is not in

59:16

direct conflict with the transgender agenda?

59:18

Not with people who have transgender,

59:20

gender dysphoria, but with this agenda,

59:22

with the free sex agenda in

59:24

general. Lifelong matrimony is certainly under

59:26

fire, right? What does it even mean? Why

59:29

is it special for a man to marry

59:31

a woman for life, right? And by the

59:34

way, it wasn't gays who destroyed that. It

59:36

was straight people when they started to have

59:38

no fault divorce. The difference

59:40

between homosexuality and heterosexuality, this is

59:42

why so many women

59:44

and lesbians and gay men

59:46

actually are against transgenderism because

59:48

they're defined by gender. Gender

59:51

defines what they are. Science

59:53

is thrown away by transgender

59:55

ideology. The idea that we're created in God's

59:57

image and it matters how we're created. You

1:00:00

might say, well, some people are created differently, but we know

1:00:02

when a body is broken, when a

1:00:04

man is born with one leg, we know that

1:00:06

he's supposed to have two legs. It's different to

1:00:08

give him a mechanical leg than to give him

1:00:11

a mechanical sex change. And that these values are

1:00:13

universal. All of that

1:00:15

goes by the board. And one more thing. One

1:00:18

of the things, and I'll end

1:00:20

with this, that convinced me that Christianity was true,

1:00:23

is that everything it teaches me would be true if none

1:00:25

of it had happened. But the fact

1:00:27

that it happened is inherent in the

1:00:29

truth of it. And this is something,

1:00:31

obviously, Jordan knows, Jordan Peterson knows, this

1:00:33

is something that C.S. Lewis and Tolkien

1:00:35

talked about when they said, Christianity is

1:00:37

a myth, but it's a myth

1:00:39

that happened. It is a core instinct

1:00:41

of the human soul when it expresses

1:00:43

itself in storytelling, right, that

1:00:45

death leads to resurrection, that suffering leads

1:00:48

to victory, that life has meaning, that

1:00:50

flesh has meaning, that life is not

1:00:52

about power, that a man and a

1:00:54

woman, a husband and a wife are

1:00:56

not in a strict power relationship. They're

1:00:59

in a relationship that is actually about

1:01:01

love and sacrificing for each other and

1:01:03

for that love. Jesus

1:01:05

is at the heart of every story we tell,

1:01:08

every story we tell, and would we have told

1:01:10

those stories? And he's at the heart of the

1:01:12

story of history. Would we have told these stories?

1:01:15

And would these stories have been told to us

1:01:18

if they weren't the truth, the way and

1:01:20

the truth, and the life? And this clash

1:01:22

is coming because the minds, big

1:01:24

minds, the intellectuals of our culture are

1:01:26

beginning to rediscover it. And once that

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1:04:40

don't care. We'll actually listen to all of

1:04:42

you. This one comes from Father Andrew Clark.

1:04:44

And there is a Father Andrew Clark in my neighborhood,

1:04:46

a Catholic priest, Andrew Clark in my neighborhood. So maybe

1:04:48

he's my neighbor. I don't know. He says, my dear

1:04:50

sir, there are times when you have spoken about your

1:04:52

values and your readings of the gospel, much of which

1:04:54

I agree with. You have said that you have found

1:04:56

a church Anglican Catholic, which reflects your values and that

1:04:58

is why you worship there. My observation

1:05:00

is for those of us in the Roman Catholic

1:05:03

Church and for those of us in the

1:05:05

various Orthodox traditions, the approach is the opposite. We

1:05:07

receive our values from the church. It is precisely

1:05:09

because the church has preserved the apostolic tradition that

1:05:11

we submit to our teachings. And yes, this

1:05:13

is exactly why I have not become a Roman

1:05:16

Catholic. It is exactly that that I reserve to

1:05:19

myself observing

1:05:21

tradition, scripture, theology,

1:05:24

you know, to if

1:05:26

ultimately I think this pope. I do think this pope

1:05:28

is kind of a heretic. I'm

1:05:31

just not going to go that way and I'm

1:05:33

not going to wait 100 years for the

1:05:35

church to figure it out. I'm going to go

1:05:37

my way. I know that everybody's looking for certainty.

1:05:39

I don't actually believe in certainty. I believe in

1:05:42

humility. And I think that not knowing and knowing

1:05:44

that you don't know the old Socratic wisdom, that

1:05:46

you know that you know nothing. I still think

1:05:48

that that is the best way forward, even

1:05:50

as a faithful and hopeful Christian. I still think

1:05:53

Not being absolutely sure of what I

1:05:55

think, whether it's in the interpreting scripture

1:05:58

or being told by the church. Is

1:06:00

is the right thing. That is why I'm

1:06:02

I'm actually not a rom coffee and so

1:06:04

you're right, I'm from Joe he says. The.

1:06:07

Job Zombie says I hope you in your family had

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a wonderful East from Long Timeless are found Your show.

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Your final segment last week is a perfect microcosm of

1:06:13

while have to listen like us As a Good Friday

1:06:16

the end of the Good Friday show with sports put

1:06:18

that out separately as because I thought that was worth

1:06:20

listening to Our for people like me can be so

1:06:22

easy to get wrapped up in the heading this of

1:06:24

Religious Faith your breakdown of Jesus message of Love cut

1:06:27

to my core and a simple and profound way that

1:06:29

reminds me of when I first read mere Christianity. Well

1:06:31

this great couple of thank you are this Easter I

1:06:33

was able to truly be filled with love of Jesus

1:06:35

Christ to spread to those around me in. A newer

1:06:37

and more complete way. I plan on showing that last

1:06:40

segment. Anyone who'll listen to thank you for speaking the

1:06:42

truth love even with a sub hates both sides will

1:06:44

always have your by high priests. You know I just

1:06:46

want to say and I'm obviously a guys and my

1:06:48

wife says nobody ever reaches out to me cause I'm

1:06:51

I spit nails and I would like I don't need

1:06:53

it but I while I don't hear a lot of

1:06:55

the hate the comes out the I do hear the

1:06:57

encouragement. I do appreciate it as I don't ever think

1:06:59

that that so I don't never hesitate. If you're sending

1:07:02

words like that, I appreciate them from stored Kingsley Dear

1:07:04

Hot can't Officers in response to what you said about

1:07:06

people like Ben Shapiro, Jordan. Peterson been were God

1:07:08

wants them I believe that to be a

1:07:10

hundred percent true. The issues that with our

1:07:12

Jesus known can come to the father. Let

1:07:14

me quote ah if I can get I've

1:07:16

been courting while Cs Lewis this time and

1:07:18

let me see I wrote it down so

1:07:20

I would have it. There

1:07:23

it in fact. Ah, the deceased Lucid.

1:07:25

We do know that no man can

1:07:27

be saved except from Christ. We do

1:07:29

not know that only those know him

1:07:31

can be saved through him. But in

1:07:33

the meantime if you are worried about

1:07:35

the people outside the most reasonable unreasonable.

1:07:38

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1:07:40

outside yourself and that's basically. Where.

1:07:42

I come down on. you know I

1:07:44

just think of a little bit of

1:07:46

humility, a little bit of letting God

1:07:48

do his thing which is judgment and

1:07:50

letting us do our thing was just

1:07:52

try to move into our that area

1:07:54

of love to become transformed by him

1:07:57

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