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This is the Amfield rap, and I'm Neil Atkinson.

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On Monday the twenty sixth of September, as part of

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Labour Party Conference in Liverpool, there was a fringe event.

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as part of the campaign for the introduction of Hillsborough

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Law onto the Statue Box in the United

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Kingdom. That event took place in Nova

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Scotia and was supported by Avenue HQ

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and with real thanks to Mack Kennedy and

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Luke Roberts Avenue HQ for their support.

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The audio you're about to hear was recorded by the

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mirror and thanks to them and Ed keyball for

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that. The event was led by Ian

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Byrne on behalf of Hillsboroore. Before we go

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any further, I just want to make clear that Smartwater's

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discourse right the way through this event, you may well find

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deeply upsetting. Please make sure

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you're in the right place before listening. Not everyone

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has to listen to everything and you get to approach

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subject matter in your own time. at your own

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pace. Don't feel as though there's any obligation

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to listen to anything that's within here.

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Please do look after yourselves through this

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sort of discussion and process. The

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recording of this event is in part doomed

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to add to the historical record and were putting

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it out pretty much in full as

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it occurred on Monday only really remove

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parts of applause. This within

1:17

is the truth of the people who spoke. You'll

1:19

hear more from me as we go, but first up,

1:21

we have the politicians in this order.

1:23

Ian Burn, Andy Burnham, Maria Egal,

1:26

and Steve Rotherham, and Elkin

1:28

Abramson from Jackson Leaves. on

1:32

an old event, they used the one that was

1:35

the one in my calendar. And I

1:38

think I decide to put together the confluence

1:40

and, you know, so fantastic. We're

1:42

both by Debbie Kayne and the team to actually

1:44

pull this together. So we're concentrating much

1:46

Debbie through all y'all. We're pierce

1:49

advantage and focus together.

1:55

I'm

1:55

just saying that what's what's going on happen

1:58

over the next hour and a half. I'm

2:00

gonna ask everybody this is fifty five minutes.

2:02

It's not saying on the table. It's gonna take five ten

2:05

minutes is a little bit too drawn for young people.

2:07

I think five minutes is enough to get out, put

2:09

you close, outline the campaigns,

2:12

and outline the experiences and that

2:14

includes Stephen and his wealth of body.

2:18

So what occasion? I

2:20

think today is quite a romantic occasion

2:23

in the hills below campaign. Obviously,

2:26

we'll all wait in anticipation tomorrow

2:28

when Steven Meese gonna

2:30

announce that. It's gonna be the manifesto. And

2:32

hopefully, that clear alarm is gonna

2:34

fire that over there. with

2:37

a fear that stamp that is going

2:39

to be in the manifest also. I think that's

2:41

an ambitious achievement by everybody

2:43

that's being involved in this from the stars.

2:46

every single campaign, every

2:48

person, every

2:50

Sibana, every family member,

2:53

what's not just health threats, many other campaigns

2:55

that had involved in this, which makes it such a

2:57

powerful movements. And hopefully,

3:00

it'd be the amount of French stuff. And then

3:02

also, our job starts, obviously,

3:04

in October as well. Once we once

3:06

we get back into parliament, set up the

3:08

APPG, because we still got a

3:10

government That potentially couldn't

3:12

be in power for the next eighteen months. So

3:14

it's a very important job away. It's a big job.

3:19

Without you told me my names, he embedding

3:21

the end people into the West Army. I'm

3:23

also a Hills for survival. I'm

3:26

like many many given

3:28

in this during today

3:30

that day, she changed the

3:33

lives of so many people. And

3:36

what occurred that day at the hands of

3:38

the state is something that

3:40

makes this campaign hugely important.

3:43

It barely does. It

3:45

was one of the greatest honors of my life to

3:47

be asked by Andy and Steve

3:49

to take this forward in parliament with

3:51

Bikidea. And, obviously,

3:54

a lot

3:57

of struggles put into ways, to be honest, when they asked

3:59

me to do it and reformulating it, push you

4:01

forward and to get to

4:03

say. But I think I'd like to take this opportunity

4:06

to try and save video

4:08

and I'll need for absolutely everything

4:10

to do. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically their

4:22

RBN policy is is a bit indication.

4:24

I only came to this in two nineteen when

4:26

they got elected. So everything that's gone on before,

4:29

this is down to that as I said, it

4:31

could be impossible to be actually stand alone. It's

4:33

such a news. I'm being part of this,

4:35

but there are three special people who go

4:37

for this campaign.

4:39

We got

4:42

an incredible group of people tonight. We were

4:44

going online, data experiences, and

4:46

different campaigns. How they falls

4:48

in just this And it's

4:50

gonna be an emotional night

4:53

because anybody that watched the show me

4:55

and hear the behavior of the people

4:57

on that call

4:58

It's breathtaking. It's

5:01

it shows you the

5:04

how you manage minutes

5:05

can overcome the odds. But

5:08

on his bill, this is a step on the

5:10

way to where we need to go. The

5:12

people in this view still need justice, and

5:14

the hills will all now hopefully vote via

5:16

no part of that nature to get that.

5:18

But I think the importance of me hills the

5:20

lot is when

5:23

the state does, when it does, and it

5:25

will do it again. No. We

5:27

had no doubts about that. No sitting there.

5:29

Listeners to be evidence from Glenfeld. Listeners

5:32

said the Manchester Arena, Boeing's

5:35

listening to the families and COVID, you

5:37

know, it was the same playbook. And,

5:40

you know, in June, by

5:42

the mag, No. Someone

5:44

was gonna open in Paris, and

5:47

one London did Paris, and they asked

5:49

the master Paris with the hills

5:51

to play. The

5:53

French establishment and UEFA

5:55

pulled exactly the same stakes again once

5:57

waterplane supports us today failing.

6:00

for the think the lessons that we learned and the

6:02

lessons that we learned in the campaigns give

6:04

us such an understanding

6:07

of what we're going to be faced with. And I

6:09

wake you up and call me. So I'm negative in

6:11

the fair few days after Paris, and

6:14

Steve bothered him to say to optic said

6:16

it and everybody involved in that.

6:18

Neil Wilkinson and as well, you know, there were

6:20

so many different players who've actually

6:22

started to engage in a the real manasive.

6:25

And on Saturday, it was shocked by how to

6:27

be seen in and

6:30

on Saturday, they've approved with members

6:32

of to a football union,

6:35

you know, to an officer, mister And

6:37

he was sitting with before you made for an investigation

6:39

in the panel. And what was truly amazing

6:41

about that was that we were sitting

6:43

there and sitting on what it does. It was

6:45

pink weather me. Now that

6:48

is unbelievable achievements

6:51

by the pressure that was put on, you

6:53

affirm to ensure that we have people

6:55

there that actually understood what

6:57

has happened there is that understood that these

6:59

assets and could actually bring

7:01

some sort of it

7:03

just felt as though, you know, you had a little bit of

7:05

confidence in the process And for the the

7:07

little people support, for all of us that have been

7:09

involved in deals for campaigns, big

7:11

campaigns and these people aid that have done so

7:13

much to all of them. If it was a deal, step

7:16

forward. It just felt to be hard and thought, you know

7:18

what? You've got some money there there that's going to

7:20

listen. So

7:21

today, is

7:22

hugely important. Tomorrow is

7:25

a huge step forward. But there's

7:27

still a long long way to go, which would be no.

7:29

So I think tonight's let's just listen to that

7:31

people. They wanted the contributions is what you

7:33

hear. Tonight's I want you to take them and

7:35

enjoy what you're going here. enjoy

7:38

it from the aspect of people fighting

7:40

back. People fighting back against

7:42

injustice. And that's one of the music clouds.

7:44

I'm just trying music clouds here to be

7:46

standing here tonight. So, first of all,

7:48

I'd like to bring it on and be banned. Thanks,

7:51

sir, Ian. That evening, everybody. It's

7:54

actually always humbling

7:57

our privilege to be in the

7:59

company of the families who fought

8:01

for justice and the survivors like being

8:03

and Steve and all of you here tonight. You

8:06

have inspired us to go honest. We're the

8:08

ones who've been inspired by your fight.

8:11

and you are gonna change this country permanently

8:13

when this law gets

8:15

onto that statute book because it's going

8:17

to happen. and that's

8:19

why it's so it was so inspiring. We

8:22

obviously complain to it. You

8:24

were there fighting all of those years.

8:27

But in the end, I think you

8:29

already are changing the country as I'm gonna come on to

8:31

explain. That's when Serena let's start for

8:33

you because I know there are campaigners in the

8:35

room beyond Hillsborough this evening. So

8:38

let me just read out nuclear test veterans,

8:42

Abafar, thalidomide,

8:46

bloody Sunday, true

8:48

strength, contaminated

8:50

blood, all

8:52

greed, Hill's brother,

8:55

Corrennesael. I'm gonna

8:58

read the list because what

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does it say? to you. The

9:02

the pattern keeps repeating, does

9:04

he entail? And what it

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says to me is it's

9:09

too easy. to cover

9:11

on in this country.

9:14

It's too easy to abuse

9:16

the legal system to set

9:18

a false narrative to

9:21

switchblade precisely as Ian

9:23

just described. And it's

9:25

too hard, far too

9:27

hard for ordinary people

9:30

to fight, to establish truth,

9:34

and to get justice. And that's

9:36

the story of the list that I just

9:38

read out to you. before.

9:41

Well, I guess

9:44

it starts to turn to a more positive,

9:46

doesn't it? Because This

9:48

city did fight back. And

9:51

the fight back is actually beginning to bring

9:53

the change that this country desperately

9:56

needs. And actually, I'm sure Margaret

9:58

will disagree with the insane news.

10:00

It wasn't just the city alone.

10:02

In advance of the publication of

10:04

the Hillsborough Independent Peddle,

10:08

Margaret, I think

10:09

Sue was there. Jenny Hicks, I think Jane,

10:11

we went to Dairy, didn't we?

10:14

and we sat down with the families over there.

10:16

And we heard from them, didn't we

10:18

as to how they handled their truth thing,

10:20

and we took so much, didn't we from

10:23

from those from those founders in

10:25

the way that they've done it. And they passed their learning

10:29

onto us And because

10:31

of that, we got ready and we

10:33

understood how to deal with

10:35

what was what was coming.

10:38

And

10:39

obviously, when

10:42

Vilsgren Petter Powell reported, and

10:44

then we got the inquest.

10:46

I think what started

10:48

to happen was, it stands as sort

10:50

of kind of wave of hope around

10:53

other justice campaigns. People

10:55

who but in the wilderness even longer, believe it

10:57

or not. Who who then be

10:59

gone to think, well, maybe we

11:01

can do something. And

11:03

we began Maria, Steve and I, in

11:06

Poland, to gather the campaigns together,

11:08

to say, what? Surely. Okay.

11:11

power of people working on this together will be

11:13

what makes the change in the

11:15

end, and the Hillsborough would be called.

11:17

The example that leads to the

11:19

permanent change not just in bad.

11:22

k? But for for so

11:24

many people. And the fact that

11:26

really, it's not it's happened already in

11:28

some ways that that that beneficial change

11:30

of what we've done in the fight, but the

11:32

treasury twenty four. I'm

11:34

not sure if Ireland turnedbull said this

11:36

evening, but She had and

11:38

others fought to have those convictions

11:40

overturned, and they have been overturned

11:42

now, following the pressure that we put

11:44

on in parliament and we fought

11:46

back and the Hillsborough exploration

11:48

was used. And look at another example,

11:50

contaminated blood.

11:51

Did you see

11:54

the summer? that they got a

11:56

hundred thousand pound in its rim in

11:58

its rim and payout. I went to

11:59

the inquiry because of the

12:02

work on Hillsborough, I was able to then

12:04

understand what happened to me as health

12:06

secretary. As health secretary,

12:08

I was given a false

12:10

narrative by the Department of

12:12

Health as

12:12

to what happened. They

12:14

sent to me and they made me put

12:16

it in letters that I sent out in my

12:18

name. that nobody was

12:20

knowingly put in risk.

12:22

Nobody was knowingly given

12:25

faulty blood problems. But that

12:27

isn't true. I looked

12:29

into the papers as I learned

12:31

to do, thought of what we'd done on

12:33

Hillsborough, and I found that it wasn't true. and

12:35

they did not. And they put thousands

12:37

of people at risk. But

12:39

because of that, at that public inquiry,

12:42

I

12:42

said I believe there's a case for

12:44

corporate manslaughter charges against

12:46

the rebalance of health. And

12:48

you know what? when I look at

12:50

longest standing and just to serve them all on

12:52

the list I read out, nuclear test

12:55

sections of this fantastic to

12:57

see So you see from the mirror who's not so much willing

12:59

to support, support them, but obviously

13:02

people are representing the the veterans.

13:05

and the families, the

13:07

Labrux campaign.

13:08

You could say the sameholder

13:11

Ministry of Defense, They

13:13

knowingly put people at risk. People

13:15

serving our country overseas. No PPA.

13:18

No consent. No knowledge. They

13:20

quote them. into that radiation.

13:22

And those servicemen

13:24

suffered from some of their families ever since, and

13:26

that one has never been sold in

13:28

that. One is one. We're all gonna rally around and

13:30

you you need you need to know that. So

13:32

what I'm building to here is we're

13:35

gonna change the country out with through this

13:37

because we're not gonna have another century where

13:40

ordinary people

13:43

are basically shkes

13:45

it out into the wilderness. And the thing is,

13:47

and I'm sure Varga, if you're gonna speak

13:49

more words, would say -- Yes. -- would mark me up

13:51

on this. It's not just the

13:53

trauma of what happens to people.

13:56

It's the retrioritizing effect of

13:59

forcing people into the world

13:59

and it's making them fight day in,

14:02

day out without

14:03

any support. That's

14:06

what's so wrong. And it's not it is

14:08

the big disasters. But can't could

14:10

everybody welcome Kai,

14:12

Bambolo Hennessy, whose son,

14:14

saying that died. I

14:21

was losing in his own home. Have I got that

14:23

right? Yeah. Following a

14:25

flood in that home in in

14:28

sorry. Hi, Jonathan. Kai

14:30

ended up in a wheelchair. This

14:33

wasn't an ordinary flood.

14:35

And yet they still don't

14:37

know. They still got all the documents

14:40

with health. So it's not just

14:42

the big things we know

14:44

about. It's just ordinary people when

14:46

they come up against against

14:49

those, if you

14:51

like, those bureaucracies in court. And why do

14:53

they why can they set false narratives?

14:56

Number one, there's no obligation

14:58

on them to tell the truth that the first

15:00

opportunity, but that is what they should be required

15:02

to do as public servants. as

15:04

inconvenient as it might be. That will

15:06

stop the retralmatizing effect of

15:08

people who've already been traumatized. The

15:10

juicy of Canada in the for

15:12

law that due to an all public

15:14

servants tell the truth that the first

15:16

time of asking them would spare so much grief

15:18

to so many people. And

15:20

then to stop the false narrative being set in

15:23

court, legal parity

15:25

forbury families, in

15:27

in quest where the state is

15:29

represented, and thanks to El Cun and to

15:31

Pete whether he's helped helped us draft some

15:33

of these provisions in the ils and all.

15:35

Annuity of of

15:37

of hurting. So

15:40

families can go away. And rather than being as

15:42

the Hillsborough family, we're at raw with grief at the

15:44

first being quest, crumbling around to try and

15:46

make fame for their legal representation too late

15:48

because the the authorities

15:50

have hired the best q c's in the land to set

15:52

their narrative and their narrative

15:54

then was the one that held for so for so

15:56

long. That's what continually happens.

15:58

But also, there's Maria's bill with the

15:59

public advocate because I

16:02

certainly know the test veterans would have found

16:04

it hard to have an advocate that would

16:06

work for them and they contaminated the load families

16:08

would have found it good to have a

16:10

public advocate. they could have worked. So all

16:12

of these measures everybody are

16:14

in the Hillsborough Law.

16:16

And,

16:16

you know, we can't ever

16:19

have a situation anymore

16:22

coming in this country, when

16:25

an entire English sitting

16:28

was crying injustice for

16:30

twenty years, and it

16:33

just bounced off the deaf ears that what they

16:35

chose not to hear and that they chose

16:37

to ignore. that

16:38

can never ever be allowed

16:40

to happen

16:41

again. It is time to level

16:44

up scales of justice in this country

16:46

in favor of

16:47

ordinary people. That

16:50

is why we need a Hillsborough

16:52

ore. Now we need

16:54

to see how we've been governed and how we've

16:56

been released in the last century. And

16:59

we need to learn from that same no

17:01

more No more, the next

17:03

century in this country is going

17:05

to be different. Those COVID families, COVID

17:08

nineteen families fight for justice.

17:11

they need

17:11

to have the benefit of

17:13

a

17:13

Hillsboro law as they take their fight

17:15

forward and so do those Grenfell families.

17:18

because they're still battling it out, aren't they

17:20

in those court groups and so did to cut in

17:23

Nicole as they battle for the truth of, I

17:24

would say, There's the other change

17:27

we need to be need to

17:29

make so that the next century in this country

17:31

is different from the

17:33

last and we'd never situation again or a city

17:35

like this. It speaks of a second class

17:38

citizens. They must be equal in front of

17:40

the law And that is why we need the

17:42

Hillsboro law now. Thank you very much,

17:44

Salveen. Before opening the year

17:46

on, I just wanted a safe few

17:48

time queues to tell you, kill me if

17:50

it's ons. Globe counter

17:52

and Jackson of a

17:54

new HQ. We've helped with

17:56

this on. The on field

17:58

rep, of course, and also the magnificent

18:01

support we've had from the stage union

18:03

movements, GMV, FPU,

18:07

CWU, would tell them we couldn't have got where we

18:09

are today. So I'd like to say, thank you very much

18:11

for calling us. We've just mentioned that.

18:13

I'm gonna bring in now with the angle you've I

18:15

mentioned before as being unbelievable in the

18:17

quest for just to wait till the very start, and he could

18:19

tell you all about that. But we wanna just

18:21

touch on, obviously, many public

18:24

accountability, Bill. and looked into what was

18:26

sad to do in the hills with all its

18:28

entirety. And I can say someone

18:30

who was elected to nineteen

18:33

And it's enablers. It's enablers,

18:38

enabler, unbending

18:41

ABILITY to fight the tortoise and

18:43

not get down because sometimes I enjoy

18:45

everything. I I don't want you to take it because she does.

18:47

You can't use them. So many of you,

18:49

you know, Thanks. Don't

18:50

see, and it's very easy to find

18:53

toys in my experience.

18:55

III want to say a

18:57

little bit about the about

18:59

the public advocate

19:00

bill, which is

19:02

part of the Hillsborough Law now.

19:04

And so we originally had two

19:06

different bills

19:08

and these public thoughts accountability bill, which I was

19:10

one of the sponsors of, and the

19:11

public advocate bill. But you

19:13

put them together, it doesn't matter if they

19:15

they all end up in the same bill.

19:17

What put the measures

19:19

together, and they're gonna

19:20

make a real bit of room. What the public

19:22

advocate though does is it tries to

19:24

learn the lessons of the Hillsborough Independent

19:27

panel there I'm a lawyer by

19:29

trade.

19:31

And I'm very

19:32

conscious of the fact

19:34

that by the

19:35

time I got elected to parliament in nineteen ninety

19:37

seven. Yes. I've been there twenty five

19:39

years by the time I got elected

19:41

to parliament. Every

19:43

legal proceeding

19:45

that it happened in the Hillsborough family's

19:47

fight had

19:49

gone wrong. It had all it

19:51

had all gone wrong. and

19:53

it was no longer possible to

19:56

fix what

19:57

had gone wrong through the legal

19:59

system.

20:00

and it was only

20:02

when we developed

20:04

a process partly,

20:07

locally. partly

20:08

by accident, partly because people like

20:10

Andy and I were in the right places at

20:12

the right time in government was only

20:14

when we developed

20:15

a non legal process that helps

20:17

by independent panel that relied

20:20

on transparency, on

20:22

freedom of information, on the income

20:24

per stopping public

20:27

authorities from hiding

20:29

documents. It was only when we did

20:31

that. that the full truth came out

20:32

about Hosbrough. For look

20:35

how long it took. Look how

20:37

long it took.

20:39

And

20:39

it wasn't as if the truth about those

20:41

four was not known.

20:43

Because as those of you remember,

20:45

the public inquiry,

20:47

The

20:47

first public inquiry, no.

20:50

Doctor Taylor got

20:51

it

20:53

substantially right.

20:55

it was wrong about things like

20:57

the the

20:58

the response of the emergency

21:00

services, but he got it substantially right

21:02

about where the fault lay

21:04

with the hillsborough disaster within

21:07

four months of

21:08

the disaster happening in his interim

21:11

report. But what we then saw was

21:13

the

21:14

systematic undermining and

21:16

destruction of the

21:17

findings of that public inquiry by

21:19

the police who were in fact responsible.

21:23

and that was done by them with

21:25

impunity. It was

21:27

done by them to protect their

21:30

own reputation. It was done

21:32

by them to try and prevent themselves

21:34

from having to pay

21:36

out compensation

21:38

through the

21:38

civil courts,

21:40

It was done by them to try and stop the

21:43

officers responsible from

21:45

having to be held from being held

21:47

accountable.

21:48

and we're still seeing it. Now,

21:51

it is still happening

21:54

even after Hillsborough

21:56

Independent Powell made it quite clear the

21:58

prime minister of the day apologized

22:01

to the Hillsborough families and survivors.

22:04

for the way in which they've been treated, for the cover of,

22:06

for the way in which public authorities

22:09

had had had behaved,

22:11

But because families and campaigners then had

22:13

to shut up publicly,

22:15

whilst the

22:18

prosecutions

22:20

happened. It's given

22:21

them a chance. We've all

22:23

seen it to

22:24

reinstitute their narrative

22:26

about it. It was the fans earlier. It was the

22:28

fan joining. And we We've gone backwards in that

22:31

respect. For five

22:31

years, while the while the

22:34

the second death at the public that prosecutions

22:36

went on, which ultimately failed,

22:39

because

22:39

of the passage of time as much as anything and

22:41

because of the

22:42

the people who were charged and the charges that

22:44

were made, but

22:45

substantially because it's thirty three

22:48

years, It's given them

22:50

a chance to try again to change

22:52

the narrative, but they all are doing. We saw what

22:54

happened when the when the prosecution's

22:57

failed. the defense and barresters were

22:59

still straight out there, saying

23:01

that's Banff's bold, really.

23:03

The

23:03

chance we still hear are at

23:05

at at at at grounds around Premier

23:07

League about what really happened. So

23:11

we

23:11

have got I my conclusion,

23:14

you need you that time was we have got to stop these things

23:16

going wrong in the first place.

23:18

Yes, Judith Canda. That

23:20

is a a

23:20

damn good idea.

23:22

thought,

23:23

lining liars are going

23:25

to lie.

23:27

So we have to have more than just the Judith

23:29

Canvas. It's gonna be helpful. It's

23:31

gonna be helpful if that's wrong, if they get caught

23:33

out lying, but we need

23:36

more equality of arms at tinquest

23:38

where they become adversarial, absolutely.

23:40

and the Justice Select Committee in

23:42

this parliament, of which I remember, has come up

23:44

with some as as

23:46

substantially supported those those

23:48

those ideas that are in the Hillsborough Law,

23:50

but I also think

23:53

let's mount the lessons of the Hillsborough

23:55

Independent panel transparency

23:59

at an early stage.

24:02

The reason it took so long for that report to come

24:04

out so many documents had to

24:07

be looked through

24:07

by the panel was this

24:09

passage of time, the fact that it took

24:11

them so

24:12

many years.

24:14

for for the panel to be set up. So what

24:16

includes a right from an early stage?

24:18

For those

24:19

caught up in disasters, to have those

24:21

documents at an early stage,

24:23

transparency

24:23

immediately if

24:25

the families want it, and the

24:27

families have power of agency because one of

24:29

the most awful things

24:31

about the hillsborough family's ordeal

24:33

is that they in the

24:35

worst time of their lives

24:38

suddenly found things being done to

24:40

them by everybody else, and they didn't

24:42

have any

24:43

capacity to have an

24:45

import. So the public

24:48

The the public advocate

24:50

bill gives

24:52

families the right

24:54

to demand a Helms

24:56

per panel type

24:59

process with full transparency of

25:01

documentation at an early stage Let's

25:03

torpedo these cover ups from

25:05

the start. Stop things going wrong

25:07

in the first place because that is what

25:09

will make a difference. and then

25:11

the duty of candor and the equality of

25:14

arms will do the rest. So

25:17

this is an essential reform

25:20

Now I've been making speeches

25:22

in parliament about

25:24

the

25:25

Hillsborough families what really happened and what

25:27

needs to happen. But

25:30

for twenty four and a half years. The first speech

25:32

I made was in nineteen

25:34

ninety eight after the

25:37

after the for the publication of

25:39

Stuart Smith, which we won't talk about,

25:40

the Stuart Smith inquiry. The

25:43

Stuart Smith's group music was

25:45

then called But Barbara would reminded me of the

25:47

speech earlier today.

25:49

Twenty four and a half years. I I

25:51

mean, I have an involvement at

25:54

Hillsborough family before I

25:54

became an MP as a junior

25:57

lawyer

25:57

working for Brian Thompson and Partners

25:59

in a civil war had some knowledge of

26:01

the civil, vindicate that went on at

26:03

the very the very start. And all

26:06

this time later, I am

26:08

still banging my head against the prick wall and

26:10

power that trying to get a public advocate

26:12

bill through. I

26:14

introduced

26:14

it in the Commons in twenty sixteen.

26:17

Michael Wills

26:18

introduced it in the Lord, and it

26:20

tea substantially wrote the bill in twenty

26:22

fourteen. We have both been introducing

26:24

it ever since.

26:26

I have

26:27

met almost every

26:29

justice ministry and there's been a lot of

26:32

them

26:32

in the last six months. In the

26:34

last few years, but

26:38

behind the scenes to avoid any

26:40

embarrassment to get them to just look

26:42

at

26:42

it sensibly. It will say,

26:44

oh, yeah. I'm really really good now. I can't

26:46

believe that idea, Maria. then they've all already

26:48

got sacked or

26:49

resigned. Oh, man. So I

26:51

think maybe I should've seen less trust in

26:53

this time. Finish your arm if

26:55

I got it. Then that. the

26:57

point is they they said that

26:59

it looks good and we like it. There's this

27:02

little problem. They've not done anything

27:04

about it. We still haven't

27:05

had a response. to

27:07

Bishop

27:07

James and James' twenty seventeen report,

27:10

which was commissioned by Theresa May,

27:12

into the lessons to be learned from eligible

27:15

now when the when the

27:16

trials collapsed last July,

27:20

I was we

27:20

we got a debate in the commons, and

27:22

Ian Ian made a rather

27:25

memorable contributors, I

27:27

recall. We we had the debate in the

27:29

commons.

27:30

In September last year, I

27:32

was promised by the then minister,

27:34

Alex Twelfth, lives what it's doing now. It's

27:36

probably been in three or four different apartments -- Yeah. --

27:37

on the other side. But a lot of them resigned and

27:40

then got really important to it

27:42

again, different But, I mean, he promised me

27:44

at the dispatch box

27:45

that we would have a response to

27:47

Bishop Jenkins' report And

27:50

then they they did a consultation on

27:52

a public advocate type role. We'd

27:54

have

27:54

a response by last Christmas.

27:57

So I'm I'm

27:58

getting a bit fed up of listening

28:00

to what these stories say. So as

28:02

far as I'm concerned, getting this stuff

28:04

into the label manifesto, getting this

28:07

stuff as a a high priority for for

28:09

for an incoming Labour government. There

28:12

will be a lot to do for an incoming Labour

28:15

government. But this is important.

28:17

The legislation's

28:19

written. It's substantially there. We

28:21

know what each doing. We

28:24

know what the importance of it

28:26

is. We know that it will avoid a

28:28

hell of a lot of cost over

28:30

the years. that

28:30

the state has to pay at the moment for

28:33

all these all these never

28:35

ending legal proceedings

28:38

Let's stop it from going wrong

28:40

in the first place. Let's

28:41

make sure that families affected

28:43

through no fault of their own have

28:45

the capacity have agency,

28:48

can

28:49

find out what they need to find out, can

28:51

get the truth out there, and

28:52

then

28:53

we can avoid all these

28:55

disasters.

28:57

going wrong for so long, thirty

28:59

three years and more. And

29:01

the families and survivors

29:03

of still having

29:04

the same rubbish

29:06

said about what really happened.

29:09

No more.

29:11

If the law isn't for this, what is it for?

29:13

We must change it. I'm

29:15

not gonna stop till it gets

29:16

changed. I

29:17

can tell you twenty

29:19

five years,

29:21

maybe

29:21

next year, maybe the

29:23

year after we'll get it

29:24

done with your help. Thank

29:26

you very much.

29:30

Thanks for the help. And

29:33

thanks for building us. It's baby

29:35

thousand. It's come on now. and so

29:37

forth about its experience in

29:39

Paris. And what experience

29:42

of the connection to the house will takes out

29:44

strong before, but Steve's got an awful lot to

29:46

say about that. I don't know. We've got to be using

29:48

influential and get the justice who will be named for

29:50

Palace as well. So Steve

29:52

Baldwin, Thanks, Ian. Supervial contributions,

29:54

Paul. It all, obviously, you wouldn't

29:56

want any of those politicians

29:59

to be

29:59

timing a soft boiled egg for

30:02

you. Sunday

30:08

is is brief as a possibly can.

30:11

When in on the fifteenth,

30:13

April nineteen eighty nine, I away

30:15

from football match. I was a twenty yard

30:17

yellow bricklayer, felt

30:20

absolutely flawless. Well,

30:23

I've witnessed And then a few days later,

30:25

even more so, word, the lies and

30:27

the speed is cables.

30:28

And all we could do

30:30

is is support people, people that

30:32

we know, I'm hours from carey. There

30:35

were people from Bay Area who

30:37

were, unfortunately, who did the

30:39

surprise. And and

30:41

That's all do. The twenty eighth

30:43

of May, I think it was this year,

30:45

I walked away from a

30:47

football stadium. Absolutely

30:50

emboldened. with the lessons that have been

30:52

learned that we wouldn't

30:54

let the false narrative take

30:56

hold like it did all

30:58

those years previously. And

31:00

that's because of all

31:02

the cap payment, not

31:04

in all honesty, by loss.

31:07

forty

31:07

five ordinary people. Many of them who

31:09

will never know the names of

31:11

many

31:11

Liverpool supporters who did

31:14

things behind the scenes But

31:16

heads of the landscape has to be

31:18

said by some brilliant

31:20

spokespeople, including Margaret Aspirinore

31:23

for the families. And

31:27

I look at some of

31:30

the other campaigns that are

31:32

associated with this I didn't know

31:34

of the truth about saying

31:36

until we didn't have the

31:38

events and ahead

31:40

the the contribution from

31:43

his dad, and it's

31:45

still going on. To this

31:47

day, it's still going on.

31:51

The government first of all off the

31:53

street, don't they? Then he's trying to

31:55

throw up some smoke screen.

31:57

Then he's trying to distract

31:59

people from doing stuff. and then

32:01

they try to eke it out as long as they

32:03

possibly can so that most of that people go

32:06

away, and that's what's happening with, and you get

32:08

test letters. So we've

32:10

learned lessons, I think, on

32:12

behalf of so many people, so many

32:14

campaigns and campaigners now and

32:16

in a better position

32:19

because of what we've collectively done.

32:21

And that's why we

32:23

definitely need a hell's breath

32:26

low. Now Yeah. I'm going to

32:28

ask a man. You you probably

32:30

have people on the extreme. Usually usually

32:32

these facts. He said, you

32:34

down in the Mississippi. And I think that's reflected in

32:36

the last week when you're gonna

32:38

get between the Mississippi and the boohoo.

32:41

extremely, extremely well he says and abruptly.

32:43

He likes to be seen that. So when I bring up

32:45

with Alcon ambulance, I was

32:47

gonna talk about why we made a

32:49

Charlesburg deal with is all being covered. So I'd

32:51

like to start with thanks. First of

32:54

all, we have our new fab four over

32:56

there. And thanks to all of them for

32:58

our unbelievable. And then

33:01

there are so many people

33:03

in this room who've been victims

33:06

of injustice and have not

33:08

lie down to take if it were

33:10

four or four for years. And in some

33:13

cases, decades, and some people were just

33:15

starting the long five. The COVID

33:17

believed as well. And

33:19

without those people, nothing

33:21

could have been achieved.

33:23

and the fact that we've now reached stage where the Labour Party

33:25

is formally adopting girls per law,

33:27

is such

33:28

a significant milestone and

33:30

such a tribute to all those

33:32

people who have not given up the fight.

33:34

And I really like to thank you for

33:37

expiring the

33:37

NPEs and for expiring me

33:40

as to do the bid that we can do on our

33:42

part to continue with

33:44

this fight.

33:46

Unfortunately, the Labour Party has to do power

33:48

up about So getting it on the Labour Party, but it's

33:50

the end yet. We have to persuade other

33:52

parties or wait for we'd put you

33:54

for the third party to come into

33:56

power. hopefully,

33:58

the latter. A

34:01

few points I'd like to make about why it's

34:03

still needed. We've spoken

34:05

about Hillsborough and you

34:07

may or may

34:07

not know that the the Hilton

34:10

panel published on the

34:12

website, its conclusions,

34:13

but also all

34:16

the documentation all the evidence of that into its conclusion, which was half

34:18

a million pages all

34:20

set. The Hillsborough

34:21

inquest, the new route

34:23

of Hillsborough inquest put on their website transcripts of

34:25

all the proceedings, documents, and we're referred to in those

34:28

proceedings. So a whole competitive of

34:30

information

34:30

explaining

34:32

why the jury reached the decision they did. As soon as

34:35

the criminal prosecution started, all those documents

34:37

were taken down, so it's not to

34:39

prejudice the criminal process. Have

34:42

they been pulled back up again? No. They

34:44

haven't. So the process of

34:45

rewriting history requires

34:48

deleting history as well.

34:51

and that's what's been happening. And there's

34:53

another little fight to take place over getting

34:55

these documents back into the

34:58

public domain. The other point

35:00

I was gonna

35:00

make was particularly about the COVID barcode

35:03

who were just starting

35:05

the thereby for justice. and

35:07

we already see a pattern

35:10

emerging of all the public

35:12

bodies, circling

35:14

the wagons, protecting their own interests, looking for other parties

35:16

to blame. And for the

35:18

interest of Paris be overlooked in

35:20

this process, We're

35:23

only just approaching the first preliminary hearing on this,

35:25

but we can see sadly

35:27

yet again the same fight

35:29

having to take place. And

35:32

why is it? You've heard a lot about why we

35:34

need the hills pretty long.

35:37

There's a toll in our big

35:40

organizations to protect each

35:42

other. And you could

35:44

understand to

35:44

a point why that culture

35:46

exists, especially in the organizations

35:49

like the police like the

35:51

army that faced the

35:53

most danger because

35:56

it's

35:56

vital that people in those

35:58

organizations put their colleagues

36:00

first. The problem is

36:01

when we foster that culture, we then

36:04

say you put your colleagues first

36:06

up to a point. And the point

36:08

comes where if they're breaching human

36:10

rights, you shouldn't continue protecting

36:11

them. And

36:13

there is

36:14

a battle to change that

36:16

culture. and

36:16

it's not just a matter of enacting law laws do a lot,

36:19

but they don't do everything. And I think

36:21

we each as individuals need to

36:23

do our bid to change

36:25

the culture with an organization so that

36:28

people learn that protecting

36:30

your colleagues only goes

36:32

up to a certain point And if

36:34

you go beyond that point, we as a society pan enormous price.

36:38

So that's me doing. I'll get

36:39

paid by the hour so I'm gonna

36:42

be right. I just

36:44

had to

36:44

repeat my thanks to everyone here who's

36:46

fortune to give us breath out. The key thing about

36:48

Hillsborough law is how it would help in so many

36:50

areas of public life as Elkin just says, their institutional learn

36:53

and matters, and covering back stops that

36:55

from a care in. Common up

36:57

next, we have Kaigambola. Emily Spodo, Steve

36:59

Perris, and Lynn Riley Sudbury to talk about just some of the other campaigns

37:01

that may well be aided by Hillsborough or being

37:03

on the books. We've

37:06

made a lot of people now and obviously our best experiences and

37:09

part of this campaign. It's such

37:11

a wide scope and

37:14

long way. I wasn't touched on the need for this for the COVID

37:16

inquiry. This is an act big one. Come on up, but we had

37:18

been in discussions with the

37:20

COVID families but also to

37:22

use the important number of other company

37:24

resources and hear about them

37:26

and you don't understand them and to think

37:28

about being carried over

37:30

now just of boat suits about Jane because I think a lot of people are faith in

37:32

about this to the Jews, and

37:34

that we've had been actually

37:36

qualified about

37:38

one. Kai and his family about to go

37:40

to it, fight for Josephine for the show. So I wanna take his, get

37:42

the mics a kai, and I'm to outline

37:44

his campaign for Josephine.

37:50

Thank you very

37:50

much. I I wasn't expecting to

37:53

be asked to speak. And when I

37:55

came in, you probably noticed that

37:58

I was the only that was but

37:59

remember after

38:02

a a shower is some

38:05

can come out and we get

38:07

these rainbows. And Zane would want me

38:09

to thank everybody that

38:12

is here for all of their support to get us so

38:14

far because we, as

38:16

campaigns,

38:16

can't do this at

38:18

length. It says everybody's fine.

38:21

Now there's two key messages that

38:23

I'd like to hand

38:26

today. And one is that anybody

38:28

that's aware of Zane's

38:30

campaign, please keep supporting.

38:32

We really do need

38:34

the support of people

38:37

in various spaces and also the

38:39

public. second message. As I came in, Andy

38:42

asked me, he said, I've prepared

38:44

something for you. Now that

38:46

was because on

38:48

Zane's sixteenth birthday, and Zane was killed when

38:50

he was seven. It's

38:52

his little saying. I'm saying

38:54

dad. He's only seven.

38:57

And on what would have been

38:59

the sixteenth of third in the twenty first

39:01

of October two thousand

39:03

and twenty two, we

39:06

will be going to

39:08

number ten to deliver a

39:10

one hundred and eleven

39:12

thousand person

39:14

petition. in order to

39:14

get Zane an independent panel inquiry. And

39:17

for a third of the

39:18

time that Maria has been in parliament, we've

39:21

had to fight. for justice

39:24

for zinc. Because the

39:26

message that they gave on the very

39:28

day that zinc died was the

39:30

message that they wanted you

39:32

to remember. This little boy died from church. He

39:34

died of carbon monoxide

39:36

poisoning. And that was the message

39:38

from

39:38

number ten Downing Street.

39:42

handed to Sky, the BBC, and

39:44

other outlets in order

39:46

to persuade everybody here that

39:49

this is what happened to this little

39:52

boy, whereas on the very

39:54

day, they knew that it was hydrogen

39:56

cyanide detected

39:58

multiple times. in our

39:59

home. And that

40:02

hydroly cyanide as well as other detections,

40:04

they looked for carbon nuts, so there

40:07

was none. So it's absolutely

40:08

deliberate.

40:12

Immediately, Nicole,

40:14

my wife, that tried to resuscitate

40:16

Zane, I was in the other room

40:18

unconscious. So I wasn't

40:20

able to help Nicole So

40:24

if anyone did see Christian Erickson when

40:27

he had he

40:30

collapsed on a football pitch, well, that was

40:32

my wife. trying to

40:34

help her seven year old

40:36

son to recover. And

40:39

immediately after Zane had died in

40:42

hospital, the police started

40:44

interrogating my wife,

40:46

trying to persuade her

40:48

that there was carbon monoxide when

40:50

they knew absolutely from multiple readings that

40:53

hydrogen cyanide, which is a

40:55

gas, a chemical weapon

40:57

of mass destruction, that was

41:00

found in our home to infuse

41:02

a unbundled readings and it

41:04

was used in world

41:06

war two. in order to kill people in gas chambers

41:08

millions of people. That was

41:10

in our

41:10

home. It's invisible and odorless.

41:14

Now

41:14

when we come to the issue we treat

41:17

it? Now the and and this

41:19

was during flooding, by the way. and

41:23

the blooding got to our home via landfill that

41:25

was secret landfill. And that

41:28

secret landfill

41:30

had chemicals

41:31

within it

41:32

that the hazmat determined

41:35

her to infuse

41:38

our home. So what did they do to us in terms

41:40

of

41:40

candor truth?

41:42

Well, they ran to attack us as I've

41:44

just said with my wife.

41:48

immediately under

41:50

interrogation.

41:50

They have never come

41:53

along and supported us what

41:55

they went on

41:57

to do following. The now

41:59

discredited inquest

42:00

was an absolute

42:02

sham. where

42:05

we and Zane were denied legal aid for

42:08

representation with five authorities

42:10

that were against us public

42:14

money and legal aid,

42:17

including the coroner. We

42:19

would deny any proper

42:22

investigation of the facts, the evidence and the data surrounding

42:24

Zain's death, we were screwed of

42:26

Article two, which is human rights.

42:30

Zane

42:30

was denied a jury. We were denied witnesses,

42:32

and we were denied

42:36

evidence. So when you

42:38

look at

42:38

what happened. Imagine all of that fiber

42:41

against one child.

42:45

So

42:46

candor and parity

42:50

in terms

42:50

of funding was non existent

42:53

in Zane's case. and

42:56

we, as the victims,

42:58

were put on trial. Now

43:02

the whole story of the little boy from

43:04

Chirtse even came through the the the the

43:06

state through the cabinet office

43:08

was clearly positioned

43:09

because I'm going back

43:11

to everybody here

43:14

there is many injustices, but

43:17

there's one struggle.

43:20

So I call for all

43:21

people that are

43:24

here to port the various campaigns. I

43:26

also called upon the

43:30

that we should all be able

43:34

to speak truth to power. Don't worry. I'll pick them

43:36

up. We should not be able to

43:38

speak truth to power and

43:40

be heard. Whenever these

43:42

injustices occur, hills remains

43:44

clear that the truth is imperative

43:46

in order that others

43:49

can be protected and justice be served. The

43:51

patronizing disposition and disgrace of

43:54

unaccountable power is neither

43:57

confined to Hillsborough or to

43:59

the

43:59

past. We called

44:02

on the Labour Party

44:05

and Cross Party's To drive forward a

44:07

comprehensive Hillsborough law,

44:10

I'm gonna go because others

44:14

need to speak, but I want you to know that Zen,

44:16

an eighty year old person said of Zen,

44:18

he's the

44:20

most compassionate. person that

44:22

he's ever met, an eighty year old

44:24

person. Zane was

44:27

an advocate for sustainability

44:30

in the environment. He set up his

44:33

schools, environmental team across

44:35

the genius called Insiniity. thing

44:38

said that people think that

44:40

sustainability and matters of the

44:42

environment are about tidying up their

44:44

garden, but it's actually when he was

44:46

interviewed, he was talking

44:47

about the importance of

44:50

people cleaning

44:51

looking after the

44:53

world. said, actually, sustainability is about looking under

44:55

a bigger garden, and that

44:58

bigger

44:58

garden is the

45:00

world. And

45:12

yes. Hi,

45:13

everyone. I feel hugely

45:16

humbled to be

45:17

standing here today. I I mean, not least after

45:19

what we've just heard, but also just all the testimonies

45:21

that we've heard from my political colleagues who have

45:23

been working on these for, you know, Maria said

45:26

for

45:28

for decades So I'm I'm yeah. So I'm here very much to kind of compliment my

45:30

support really with what I could do. I'm the basic

45:32

ground

45:32

commissioner for Maersi design.

45:36

Thirty percent knows how important the hills below is. We can

45:38

never get to

45:38

the same situation where we're seeing families suffer.

45:41

But after suffering the

45:43

ultimate loss, and then be forced to find tirelessly for

45:46

justice. We know when those are in

45:48

power locks, others to blame, they

45:50

add to that on top page,

45:52

the victims when those responsible for their efforts into the nine faults

45:54

instead of learning from mistakes, and

45:56

they put future families

45:58

and raising

46:00

Now,

46:00

later PCCs, we are in full support

46:02

of the YouTube candidate is called for in

46:04

the Hillsboro law. And we've we've we've we

46:06

continue to say that publicly as well. Our

46:09

main job is to hold chief consulsable to account and make sure that they deliver a

46:11

better service for the public that they

46:13

serve. And I'm sure chief consulsable, and

46:15

they support it. They

46:18

are board. They say they want to

46:19

support the duties of Canada and they are permitted to ensuring that

46:22

their offices maintain the

46:24

highest standards.

46:25

But I think the

46:27

reason we need this GT Family is because we can't rely on that. We can't rely

46:29

on the goodwill of chief principles, making sure their office

46:31

is due what they aren't

46:33

supposed to do.

46:34

We have to make sure Helghan talked about it before.

46:36

That cultural change. We've got to make it absolutely clear that that

46:38

being telling the truth, being honest,

46:42

owning your mistakes and learning from them. That is the culture that we want

46:44

to see within policing and all

46:45

of our public

46:48

services. and we know that justice

46:50

will always be an uphill struggle where

46:52

public servants and public bodies are allowed

46:55

to hide evidence. So

46:56

new team's cover for me, I think will help to balance the scales. We've heard a

46:58

few times before, the legal aid, the advocates. It's

47:01

about being sort of the justice system

47:03

works for ordinary people. which

47:05

right now is

47:06

simply failing to do. I

47:08

really hope that the bill I really

47:10

hope we get that support. We've already heard from

47:12

from Kia, home colleagues of the party.

47:14

I hope to get the Labour government and to parliament and,

47:16

hopefully, that we will avoid families

47:18

like many of you in the room today,

47:20

having to fight as half a justice

47:22

or it

47:23

as you've had to to get to where we are. As far

47:25

as I concerned, I

47:26

think the bill is is false for human

47:28

decency, and it's what we would expect

47:31

from anybody who is in a job that says the

47:33

public. So very proud to support the company. As

47:35

I say, incredibly proud of the work with my colleagues

47:37

and

47:37

all the families and survivors in the

47:40

room today. so, yeah, happy rides to support. Now, it's

47:42

it's a great pleasure to see in Welcome

47:44

Steepfish from these nuclear

47:46

test vessels over there on June many

47:50

occasions. so powerful,

47:51

high agreement. Let's tell

47:54

you that a scandal that has

47:56

been a stain of technology in his

47:58

country's vegetables.

48:00

for seventy years. Monday marks the

48:02

seventieth anniversary of the first

48:04

British implant went through

48:06

everyone us the

48:08

test. twenty two

48:10

thousand service personnel

48:12

that have been involved in

48:14

those tax type of cents. but

48:16

never received justice or harm to them. I'm

48:18

gonna tell you about two

48:21

cases.

48:21

The first is the

48:23

mine I admirers presently.

48:26

John Morris who witnessed several

48:28

four of these nuclear decinases as

48:30

an eighteen year old construct sent

48:33

to Christmas Island

48:35

without choice.

48:37

He

48:38

described so

48:40

powerfully the the

48:44

effect of witness in these balls. It would make

48:46

the hazard back in the extent of it.

48:48

He described his whole body boiling.

48:50

And

48:52

those have been mentioned before, there was a lack of PPE. What he

48:55

was dressed in along with

48:57

all his colleagues was a

48:59

short sleeve shirt thirty

49:02

kilos,

49:04

sunglasses. How close do you think is

49:06

safe to be mad and

49:08

clear clothes? him and his

49:10

collins were eight miles

49:12

and made to watch. They locked

49:14

them off

49:16

their feet. Now these men apparently

49:18

do not deserve a

49:20

medal.

49:21

In twenty

49:22

eighteen,

49:23

We asked for a

49:25

medal, believe me. And in

49:26

twenty twenty, the government came

49:29

back and said, there's not enough

49:31

risk involved. Now

49:33

let that sink

49:34

in. Eight miles for maneuver

49:38

explosion. as not being risky.

49:40

If they're not safe,

49:42

wear the equipment. Now,

49:45

we know the MOD

49:48

was aware of the effects and we are aware of what

49:50

they wanted because we won't cover

49:52

documents that allude

49:54

to the fact to see the

49:57

effect of radiation on

49:59

equipment and personnel. They

50:02

were using these man as a

50:04

guinea pig.

50:05

They also have

50:08

blood tests and urine tests.

50:10

Can we get older than

50:13

They exist.

50:14

You know they

50:16

exist, but the MOD consistently

50:18

refuses to give us

50:21

actors. I am trying to fight for my dad's

50:23

blood test to the island, and

50:25

I'm not going very far, but I'm not

50:27

going to give

50:29

all. When y'all

50:30

came up,

50:32

he settled down

50:35

with his wife When he was

50:37

twenty four in the sun, and

50:39

four months

50:41

old, child died,

50:44

well, in.

50:46

to save him in the morning, and then he's talking for

50:49

he

50:50

died. Now I have to try to dig

50:51

all the things up. but

50:53

it was compounded

50:54

by the

50:56

fact that when he was in

50:57

the hospital with his son, the

50:59

police arrested him and

51:02

his wife for

51:02

murder. That was fenced

51:05

and rescinded, and I just

51:07

said he was

51:08

a

51:10

tall vest. John didn't believe this, because

51:11

he also said he was pneumonia and he

51:13

said, that child was no ill when

51:15

I went into bed. It's

51:18

told him sixty years

51:20

to get the coronavirus report.

51:22

Sixty years, which

51:25

proves that he had

51:27

a long condition It wasn't pneumonia. It's long

51:30

as it's not developed properly, but John has

51:32

blamed himself that

51:34

ever since.

51:36

Now, the own story is not

51:37

unusual. And I can tell

51:39

you my story. My

51:42

dad said that my religion is

51:44

South Australia. When

51:46

he was there, they

51:47

conducted something for the

51:50

minor trials. And these are

51:52

basically reckless

51:54

experiments. when they were trying to discover,

51:56

what would happen if you blew up

51:57

plutonium, it's conventional explosives, what would

51:59

the

51:59

disbursement be like? Basically, creating

52:02

nuclear accidents.

52:04

Do my dad's protective gear? For you, what

52:05

do you say, miss

52:08

Jones?

52:09

Now

52:10

yes. The sign was

52:12

contaminated. but

52:14

the only safety measure was

52:16

a single strathaway effect supposedly

52:19

separated.

52:19

The contaminated area

52:22

the known concerning your area. Isn't it desert? It's windy.

52:25

The sun blows. It

52:27

gets in your hair. gets

52:29

in your face, gets in your food, gets in your

52:32

water, gets in

52:32

your vehicle, gets in your bed. This

52:35

sound was contaminated

52:36

with alpha radiation. These

52:38

man was sucked in

52:40

alpha radius. This is the

52:42

radius the government never tested

52:45

for. Alpha radius is

52:47

a woman if you adjust

52:49

it. A damage is your

52:51

dead day.

52:53

Now,

52:53

dad came home. Ten years

52:56

later, I come

52:58

along. Visibly, So if this

53:00

got right. Now I have fought the short stature.

53:02

I was born with respect to carefulness,

53:06

lumbar myeloidosis, which is pedaling through the spine,

53:08

and the leg bent forty

53:10

five degrees the wrong way.

53:14

Now,

53:16

My

53:16

heart statue is

53:18

undiagnosedable. There's two hundred forms

53:20

of

53:21

known heart statue. Mine

53:24

is unique, All they can tell me is, is it genetically takes

53:26

no one else like in the

53:28

world? And

53:28

this, it's not unusual because of

53:30

the hundred and fifty

53:32

five thousand

53:34

designed for the service personnel. A

53:37

lot of them

53:39

have unique illnesses

53:42

for extremely rare illnesses.

53:44

And they are ten times more

53:46

likely to

53:48

adverse defense. said, the

53:50

average person in society.

53:53

Their wives and

53:56

children also have a

53:58

highly elevated mispenetrate. The health

53:59

effects, I don't believe

54:02

it.

54:02

It doesn't just affect

54:04

first generation, second generation

54:07

descent. It's gonna it's

54:09

gonna damage GNF for five hundred

54:12

years. So this problem,

54:14

although the other delights

54:16

to think There's only

54:18

about fifteen hundred factories

54:20

left. We can wait. The

54:21

problem will go away. It

54:24

will because every year, children are being

54:25

born, the descendants, there's

54:28

healthy vets. It's a

54:30

scandal. They

54:32

refuse to do

54:33

any research, they refused to

54:35

acknowledge, or he recognized the

54:38

service that

54:40

these mandates. It's

54:41

thanks to them that we haven't inflated tariffs. Whether we

54:43

agree with it or not, the government

54:45

like on inflated tariffs.

54:48

They like

54:49

and so much that they refused to give

54:51

any recognition to the man who went

54:54

out there did the

54:55

tests and got exhausted.

54:57

It's a disgrace. Now,

55:00

it was the law

55:02

would help us because they

55:04

would help us get our records.

55:07

and stop the LED

55:10

light. We don't reflect

55:12

it. As I mentioned earlier,

55:14

the metal mental situation where their basins

55:16

told there was no risk

55:18

involved. The the metal committee is

55:20

supposed to

55:22

be independent. They were taking advice from the M and D. I

55:24

guess when the M and D said,

55:26

don't don't give you so they

55:28

did anticipate

55:30

them. They're

55:31

not independent. And he's

55:34

reviewing it. So Hillsborough

55:37

Law will give us

55:39

access

55:39

to the truth to stay

55:41

to talk our health.

55:42

Just want the truth. We

55:44

want the records. We want the

55:46

know what? We want the research. And there's no all

55:49

the mask for is a bare tear and metal.

55:51

Give it them. It's never a

55:53

hard mask. But most

55:56

of all, doing for the descendants as

55:58

well because

55:58

they're still without born

55:59

yet. I always wore. I would never

56:02

have a child. I would never

56:04

pass on. my

56:06

genetic damage to each other. But a few years

56:09

ago, I'm not amazed at the lady.

56:11

She's not a wife. he never life

56:14

and we had a turn. But

56:16

I've always felt bad because

56:18

I feel I've played in that tick

56:20

motion to do that with his life.

56:23

And that even then even

56:25

three fragments terrified me that

56:28

the scans was caused against

56:30

any of

56:32

your foot. and the lady showed,

56:34

does it look okay? Is there anything wrong with whatsoever?

56:36

And they just until

56:39

I saw

56:40

him, I

56:42

was just because that should be a joyous

56:44

time. It wasn't a good time

56:46

organically. Thankfully,

56:48

People

56:49

perfect. The sun is even sold on Sunday. And

56:50

in today, the wall

56:53

need

56:53

us to stop there. because

56:55

a lot of the illness is suffered by the

56:58

descendants, have been adolescents,

57:00

and a lot of the things I

57:02

can say. So I've got this

57:04

board visa for five to ten, fifteen years old. The inconvenience.

57:08

And I

57:10

don't

57:10

want to think that me and my dad

57:12

killed

57:13

my son because that's that's

57:15

what he

57:16

would be. And until we get

57:18

the research, we won't

57:21

know how

57:22

to help them. We want him to be

57:24

able to go to the doctor because they haven't

57:26

got

57:26

book is

57:27

this problem. My grandfather, the newly of

57:29

the newly obsessed, and nicked

57:31

itself a process. There is

57:33

no

57:33

process. You go to the

57:35

doctor now, You nuclear tests. They'll say,

57:37

fuck tests. Nobody knows

57:39

about them. So we need education

57:41

as well. There's a whole raft of

57:43

things we need.

57:45

or Hillsborough Law

57:46

would give us a star.

57:48

He would give us access to the

57:50

truth.

57:50

And that's the star component.

57:54

like

57:54

to thank you all for listening. I wanna bring them up now

57:56

through COVID nineteen relief family, so just

57:59

this, just to outline, details,

58:03

of your common inquiries, or

58:05

must you gonna be fined for? You must

58:07

be fined for two hundred

58:10

thousand people. that it's actually COVID.

58:12

It's a

58:13

very rare privilege to speak with you

58:15

all today. The hills

58:16

below is set up

58:18

the account to

58:19

me for two very personal reasons. None of us in this

58:21

city will have to get that day when we

58:24

started hearing me, this won't go

58:26

not enough on

58:28

that page in Elizabeth. The phone that I don't

58:30

remember the phone lines were stopped, and we couldn't

58:32

get used to find. I was heading News of

58:34

our loved ones to talk ages.

58:37

believe her

58:38

booking we thought because we got the

58:40

news that my very day friend was

58:42

in Hospital in Sheffield. For

58:46

what we witnessed over the next decade,

58:48

though,

58:48

as the injustice. I'm in pain

58:50

on top of your already more wearable grieve.

58:53

is what's

58:54

not fair. Any decent person would

58:56

want justice for that, and he didn't need to

58:58

have lost anyone to feel

59:02

that way. My friend fought for his life for as

59:04

long as the hillsborough families were

59:06

being quieted. Well, he lost

59:07

his battle

59:10

because that friend was under divine who became the

59:12

ninety seven victim of

59:14

unlawful killing unnecessary

59:16

on

59:16

that fateful day. And then pay

59:19

and lost an injustice behind me, except against

59:22

the city we all

59:23

remember. The

59:25

second personal reason is the way

59:27

my mother lived and died in March

59:30

twenty twenty. He gone into the

59:32

Royal Liverpool Hospital for a full

59:33

operation. Just an operation on

59:36

his tail. and there were a few

59:38

complications, so

59:38

they had to keep them in. And

59:40

we

59:40

started to get worried because either

59:43

listening to what was

59:44

none of the tweets. We were starting to listen to the

59:47

one doctors were saying, in Italy,

59:49

listening to the wardens, you need

59:51

to help down book

59:53

were overwhelmed, but of course,

59:55

not everybody in our country

59:57

would listen. On the nineteenth

59:59

of March,

1:00:00

Qardem Prime Minister announced We

1:00:03

in the UK were gonna be coronavirus

1:00:05

in twelve

1:00:08

weeks. He

1:00:08

decided to stop visiting Anta because we

1:00:11

were patching, we were gonna take

1:00:13

I was thinking to him, but it

1:00:14

was too late. By the time,

1:00:16

lockdown, eventually, came. We were back

1:00:18

in

1:00:19

to be allowed to go in and visit

1:00:21

him will be with denied that

1:00:23

right?

1:00:24

My dad died alone

1:00:26

on a walled in the world of a pool

1:00:28

hospital. once Sunday morning, getting on the day, my turn

1:00:30

stood still, and it will always be engrained

1:00:32

in the

1:00:34

month forever. Bryan,

1:00:37

mother's death felt different. The denial

1:00:39

of normal breathing, the denial

1:00:41

of all rights to go

1:00:43

be with people and

1:00:45

the denial of mourning rituals after --

1:00:48

Mhmm. -- corporal took the the way he

1:00:50

died. We know that we

1:00:51

should've locked down

1:00:53

the area. Just felt incredibly wrong.

1:00:55

So when I discovered the COVID

1:00:57

nineteen relief families for justice group, I

1:00:59

realized I wasn't the only one who felt

1:01:01

betrayed by the

1:01:04

system. I'm a professor at the University of Liverpool,

1:01:06

and I happen to research how

1:01:08

you're implementing life care and

1:01:10

believe services.

1:01:12

So

1:01:13

I found how to do a piece of

1:01:15

research, and I interviewed a lot of

1:01:17

the bereaved

1:01:20

families. And

1:01:20

over the years, I've interviewed hundreds

1:01:22

and hundreds of three families,

1:01:24

and I have never

1:01:26

come across three

1:01:28

like this. At the time when

1:01:30

I did the interviews,

1:01:30

we would still find some for a public

1:01:32

inquiry. What came through from the

1:01:35

research was the importance fairness

1:01:37

and justice. And the

1:01:39

real fear that it wasn't gonna be

1:01:42

fair when it didn't go.

1:01:44

Time in a game, people mentions

1:01:46

Hell's press those families

1:01:48

would be invited for their

1:01:50

years. It's that what we're gonna

1:01:52

have

1:01:52

to face. And we will see

1:01:54

what worry time is gonna be a white box.

1:02:05

to our entirely. And yet, only last

1:02:07

week we've

1:02:08

had through the guards here that

1:02:10

the families

1:02:11

are really gonna get tell

1:02:13

their stories through a third party

1:02:16

market research conflict.

1:02:18

And some

1:02:18

of those companies that have been for

1:02:21

the contract wet with the government on their

1:02:23

COVID communications of

1:02:26

god's hell of us.

1:02:28

And

1:02:29

so it begins. The families that are feeling the

1:02:31

actual layers of hair on each child on

1:02:33

top of the breath. On top of the mouth,

1:02:35

if you will,

1:02:35

like, already

1:02:38

have with your willing to take because they were only old, or

1:02:40

they were weak, or they were sick anyway.

1:02:43

Well, the

1:02:45

safety behind

1:02:55

Politicians are relatively fair into the

1:02:57

COVID vaccine as a success in

1:02:59

this country. Instead of

1:03:01

the COVID death, which currently stand in two hundred

1:03:03

and seven thousand people, many

1:03:06

many

1:03:06

of which were preventable.

1:03:08

All loved ones were lost

1:03:11

last mile damage. But we are to

1:03:14

enjoy that the body's

1:03:16

pile of

1:03:18

high relative and already the number to it's still about

1:03:20

let's move on. That's how

1:03:22

part

1:03:22

is while the body is high or

1:03:24

high. And

1:03:26

then we can just lie both up in the past. He's calm because that's

1:03:29

the culture. It

1:03:30

is the

1:03:31

country. So many of the

1:03:32

belief families feel helpless and

1:03:35

not laughing to troll the lack of power.

1:03:37

It's so incredibly disables,

1:03:38

and the system is so

1:03:40

fair as we've already heard today.

1:03:44

So

1:03:44

the system has to change and they were halo white and white and

1:03:46

white again called to fill out heavy

1:03:49

on. But the COVID nineteen

1:03:51

found these outside far

1:03:54

they're gonna become the next host families,

1:03:56

fight for the years and years and

1:03:58

years. So the host of people

1:04:00

would really help us to avoid that.

1:04:03

So we're going

1:04:03

to be part of the Hillsborough Law and alcohol

1:04:06

this year. Hillsborough Law is

1:04:07

not just reflection on the past, but

1:04:09

it's probably the future.

1:04:11

that the

1:04:11

injustice is hung up side of

1:04:14

hands, and people will be

1:04:16

prevented. And that's

1:04:16

what we're fighting for. powerful stuff

1:04:19

from Kai, Steve, Ameline, especially there. Lastly,

1:04:21

we have voices from Liverpool. I wanna

1:04:23

reiterate what I said at the

1:04:25

start. Please be careful when listening

1:04:27

to this from Charlotte Tennessee, Peter Skoff, and Markus Aspenal. There's a

1:04:29

discussion of suicide and there's in-depth depictions

1:04:31

of personal trauma.

1:04:34

please do not listen if you don't feel in a position to do so. Thanks again to everyone

1:04:37

who's part of this event, everyone who helped put it

1:04:39

on, everyone who supported it. this

1:04:42

sort of stuff matters, and it is important. It's important that you can take this

1:04:44

forward. If you want more information, you know, you can

1:04:46

reach out to the midfield rep or anyone.

1:04:49

who has been of this process. This is about bringing people

1:04:52

together and moving together to

1:04:54

create a better world for as many people as possible so

1:04:56

people don't have to

1:04:58

go through. what so many of the people that you'll have heard over the course of

1:05:00

this have done so. Anyway, with no further

1:05:02

ado, here to Charlotte, Peter,

1:05:04

and Margaret.

1:05:05

hey that's illegal show tennessee

1:05:08

for hims without paying without

1:05:14

For

1:05:18

the

1:05:19

lie, bear anxiety. It's

1:05:21

frozen with a fried barrel. Oh, this

1:05:24

is what I do. I got a little bit

1:05:26

nervous and I got a

1:05:28

little bit

1:05:28

got

1:05:30

just bear with me.

1:05:31

I am very conscious that

1:05:33

there

1:05:33

are a lot of people in

1:05:36

the room who are affected by

1:05:38

mental trauma. So I'm I'm just gonna

1:05:40

give a little bit of a heads up that

1:05:44

some of what I'm gonna say

1:05:46

is triggering, but it's my reality

1:05:48

and

1:05:48

it's my truth

1:05:50

and my dad's

1:05:52

truth. and I can't support

1:05:54

Hillsborough law without sharing

1:05:57

the

1:05:58

truth. So for those of you

1:05:59

that don't know, My name is

1:06:02

Charlotte, and I'm

1:06:02

the daughter

1:06:03

of Jamie Henderson. He was killed. He's

1:06:05

at Hillsborough when I was

1:06:08

six. Six only three

1:06:10

years official documents

1:06:12

and those who had a

1:06:14

professional role

1:06:15

within public authority Miss

1:06:17

led me to believe that my dad was

1:06:19

killed as a result of traumatic

1:06:22

exphyxiation. I was always

1:06:24

told that

1:06:25

my dad was dead by

1:06:27

three

1:06:27

always told that his

1:06:29

injuries were irreversible. but

1:06:33

other Hills family members knew that

1:06:36

that wasn't the

1:06:38

triggers.

1:06:40

Those

1:06:40

cult the the cults and

1:06:42

death

1:06:44

and the irreversible

1:06:45

brain

1:06:45

injuries were made

1:06:48

on

1:06:48

my dog's pathology report. So

1:06:51

when my dad was in

1:06:53

that mood, they

1:06:56

lied about

1:06:57

the state that his

1:06:59

body was in. they lied within

1:07:01

his recorded death, and there

1:07:03

was no thought

1:07:06

for

1:07:06

people like me

1:07:09

who would

1:07:09

one day potentially come along

1:07:12

and want to know

1:07:14

what happened to their dad.

1:07:16

So In

1:07:19

twenty twelve, when

1:07:20

the Hillsborough Independent Powell

1:07:23

report was released, I learned

1:07:25

that the level of

1:07:27

deception by those

1:07:28

within public authority

1:07:30

was much worse than

1:07:31

I could have prepared

1:07:34

myself for. My dad

1:07:36

had actually been found a

1:07:38

lies on the pitch by

1:07:40

a police officer who

1:07:41

did nothing wrong he did

1:07:43

his job on that day.

1:07:46

My dad raised his

1:07:48

arm. He opened his eyes.

1:07:52

He responded. And the police officer had took my dad to the gym

1:07:54

where he believed that my

1:07:56

dad would get

1:07:58

medical help. But

1:08:00

by the time my dad got to the gym,

1:08:02

he was becoming on crunches.

1:08:05

He was placed in

1:08:07

the top right hand corner and

1:08:09

he was left there on the

1:08:12

floor. Two of the police

1:08:14

officers came along and they pull my dad

1:08:16

in a

1:08:18

body bag. In twenty fifteen,

1:08:24

after speaking

1:08:27

with operation results, one

1:08:29

of those police officers

1:08:30

decided to confess that when they opened

1:08:32

the body bag to

1:08:34

identify the person within it,

1:08:36

he

1:08:40

vomited and he

1:08:41

described him

1:08:42

as very heart and

1:08:44

sweaty.

1:08:48

So they

1:08:48

searched my dad, and

1:08:50

they put him back inside, and

1:08:53

they zipped him

1:08:56

back up.

1:08:57

In two thousand and sixteen, the inquest

1:09:00

concluded

1:09:00

that my

1:09:01

dad's cause of

1:09:03

death was actually inhalation

1:09:07

of copious amounts of stork

1:09:10

content. Those police officers

1:09:12

refused

1:09:12

to

1:09:14

give evidence at my dad's request

1:09:16

on the grounds that their

1:09:18

mental health

1:09:19

was too bad.

1:09:22

I'm trying to be

1:09:23

compassionate to that because I

1:09:26

get it. I struggle with

1:09:28

mental health

1:09:30

myself. and I really genuinely do.

1:09:32

I get it. We

1:09:34

make mistakes, but

1:09:36

that

1:09:36

that wasn't interested

1:09:39

wasn't a mistake. There were

1:09:41

questions that I needed to be

1:09:44

answered so that

1:09:47

I could recover. with

1:09:50

my mental health. I have mental health table.

1:09:53

But

1:09:55

if you

1:09:56

sound to me

1:09:58

even on

1:09:59

a personal level.

1:10:01

We

1:10:01

can't forget that there was

1:10:04

some viewership ambulance

1:10:06

senior offices

1:10:09

there at that ground,

1:10:11

and they did not

1:10:13

impose the wall along

1:10:15

with those perimeter fences listening as

1:10:17

close as you are to

1:10:19

me right now to

1:10:23

people screaming for their lives and they

1:10:25

did nothing. They stepped over

1:10:27

the people. Probably one of them

1:10:29

was my dad because he was

1:10:31

behind the go. and

1:10:33

they turned it to

1:10:36

someone who had a

1:10:37

broken leg. There is no law to

1:10:39

protect people like me.

1:10:40

I've

1:10:43

had to rely on family members

1:10:46

like Margaret and so

1:10:48

I'm all

1:10:51

in the ex family.

1:10:52

Because if it

1:10:53

wasn't for them, I

1:10:55

won't be stunned

1:10:57

in here and

1:10:59

now with the ounces that I do have. We're

1:11:01

now

1:11:02

at twenty twenty

1:11:05

two, three

1:11:06

to three years of

1:11:09

past. And the

1:11:10

level of deception and the depth of the cover up still trickles through society and

1:11:15

into younger generations. social

1:11:19

media is a rights with

1:11:21

people whom are federalized.

1:11:23

And

1:11:23

the quote simply

1:11:25

is because the law

1:11:27

allows it. People can

1:11:30

do whatever they want. The law allows it. I'm very,

1:11:33

very full on

1:11:36

social media, It's

1:11:38

a brilliant way of raising awareness. I think that the people who have thought

1:11:40

for three or two, three years

1:11:42

should be allowed to race now

1:11:45

and

1:11:47

enjoy their time with their families. I

1:11:50

was very grateful

1:11:52

to enjoy my childhood

1:11:55

and my teen years. but

1:11:58

I will now stand by Boston Hills' profvelies. I've it

1:12:00

on the Internet,

1:12:01

and that is

1:12:03

exactly what is

1:12:04

the man i'm nice exactly

1:12:07

shopping in right now. And I'll share just

1:12:09

a couple of tweets that

1:12:11

I've

1:12:11

been

1:12:13

sent lately.

1:12:15

Imagine having

1:12:15

a death certificate that sexual

1:12:17

drug is caused by an

1:12:19

offence and darassing

1:12:20

So

1:12:23

tell me, Charlene, what your dad

1:12:25

drunk when

1:12:25

he contributed to his

1:12:28

own death? And

1:12:29

most recently, just forty one minutes after it was announced that her

1:12:31

majesty the

1:12:32

queen had

1:12:36

passed away. the

1:12:38

hills for survival, support, grief, and myself were specifically tagged in a

1:12:43

tweet that said, Has the

1:12:46

queen met the ninety

1:12:48

seven ticket

1:12:49

list services yet? People

1:12:50

have these opinions because of nobody.

1:12:54

has

1:12:54

been held accountable for their wrong

1:12:56

dimming at Hillsborough.

1:12:59

That's the fact.

1:13:00

Hillsborough,

1:13:02

ultimately

1:13:03

was caused by

1:13:06

that catastrophic order

1:13:08

to open those

1:13:11

games. by

1:13:11

David Dougafield. And it took thirteen

1:13:14

minutes for that boy to

1:13:16

follow

1:13:16

over to his

1:13:19

mouth to brain Kelly who was

1:13:21

a ballet official

1:13:22

that he

1:13:23

went. The fans have stormed the gates. CCTV proved

1:13:26

from

1:13:27

that day that that didn't

1:13:30

happen. Written statements proved that that didn't

1:13:31

happen. How

1:13:37

deditate twenty five years for David Johnfield to sit

1:13:39

in a courtroom and then

1:13:42

go on and forth. I

1:13:47

might have admitted a few things. And one

1:13:49

thing that absolutely riles

1:13:52

me is that he

1:13:54

didn't just

1:13:55

make those emissions. that

1:13:57

he then admitted to. He

1:13:59

sat in a call room full

1:14:03

of family members who would been

1:14:05

on his tail for all those years. And

1:14:07

then he tried to get one back

1:14:09

up on there, and I

1:14:11

will never forget it. It

1:14:14

was a Friday afternoon. He was

1:14:17

coming to the end of his

1:14:19

evidence. He was very aware

1:14:21

that the Hillsborough family support

1:14:23

repossessed right His weight miss Box was there. The

1:14:25

hills were firmly support group was sat right

1:14:28

behind him. And then

1:14:30

there were family babies sat

1:14:33

in

1:14:33

France then. And he couldn't

1:14:35

see us all. He he knew where we all were. So he makes his

1:14:37

ambitions

1:14:41

and he and he says what he

1:14:43

what he did, and he's sorry, and he was monotone. And none of it meant

1:14:48

anything. But then what he

1:14:50

did was, he said, Moe, I

1:14:54

cannot tell

1:14:56

you how sorry I would feel

1:14:58

if I found my child on a cold and

1:15:00

dainty floor and

1:15:02

he pulled those molds

1:15:05

and those dads and

1:15:06

those family members right back in that gymnasium. And he did

1:15:09

that

1:15:09

by choice because he's

1:15:11

a horrible man. He

1:15:15

didn't need

1:15:15

to say anything else. He'd already made

1:15:18

his admissions. He didn't

1:15:20

need to put those mounds.

1:15:22

And do you know

1:15:23

what? absolutely riled me more is the following song

1:15:25

day. It was mother's day. And

1:15:28

he knew

1:15:29

exactly when he

1:15:32

was dimming. So

1:15:34

I'm gonna leave you with

1:15:36

very

1:15:37

grateful

1:15:41

to the family

1:15:42

members and the survivors and the that on my

1:15:45

behalf when I was

1:15:47

too small to and

1:15:51

I know that it's a little bit of a fear

1:15:53

the risk

1:15:54

for other people to

1:15:56

come forward and

1:15:59

join within

1:15:59

this campaign but it really

1:16:02

does help. It really works. We can't let our family

1:16:04

members

1:16:07

die in vain We can't

1:16:10

let people, like,

1:16:10

little sane. How gorgeous was little sane. We

1:16:13

can't allow these

1:16:16

to happen. It

1:16:18

was a baby. What Steve is

1:16:19

coming through? It's terrible feeling guilty for having

1:16:21

a child. No. I'm I'm

1:16:23

sorry, but no.

1:16:27

We can't do this anymore. And unless we all

1:16:29

start to make a stand, those

1:16:31

within public authority,

1:16:34

they'll just carry on. think

1:16:36

for the old guy, but,

1:16:38

actually, we're not because I've been brought up by Hillsborough Homes and Hillsborough

1:16:41

Damps and

1:16:44

campaign is And I'm

1:16:47

not doing anything.

1:17:00

That's right. It's hard to do with the B02

1:17:02

legacy project objectification

1:17:03

to use the key.

1:17:05

And I think that's

1:17:08

something which move back on full

1:17:10

over the next twelve months. We'll transfer the call to Steve God of the support and that and everybody that's beyond that campaign.

1:17:13

Very important

1:17:16

moving forward. I'm

1:17:18

struggling with getting Peter Skarping now. He's been able to talk about the survive as a hailstorm

1:17:23

and the effect that's sad.

1:17:25

So he's gonna give us

1:17:27

a few minutes on Hills survivors as well.

1:17:32

So low-ness, but I don't

1:17:34

choose. I'm not prepared anything. I wasn't

1:17:36

expecting to be speaking

1:17:39

to be honest. And

1:17:41

We're not campaigners, health care science,

1:17:43

health care providers, health, and people get therapy and overcome

1:17:45

the trauma that they've

1:17:48

been through.

1:17:48

oh on the phone at at the theatrics we've

1:17:51

sent

1:17:51

many therapy, a very, very

1:17:54

high success rate.

1:17:55

The problem with social

1:17:59

media

1:17:59

as

1:17:59

which have

1:18:02

been spoken before.

1:18:04

We have to deal with

1:18:06

this ourselves. We have to deal

1:18:08

with people who've been re traumatized by some

1:18:10

of the hate tweets that are out there. This

1:18:13

year alone,

1:18:15

we've got three suicides

1:18:17

That's three

1:18:19

too many.

1:18:20

Three too many.

1:18:23

One

1:18:23

was just before the

1:18:27

anniversary because didn't wanna face another one of this. Two with

1:18:29

a re triggers from

1:18:31

start difference. What these people

1:18:33

have gone

1:18:33

through? Be hate comments that are

1:18:36

getting made to the

1:18:38

latest charlots, all the family members, and Hills for survivors. It's beyond It's

1:18:44

just unbelievable. It's retriggering people.

1:18:46

It's traumatizing them. And people have taken their own lives. The

1:18:48

three that we know about, are the

1:18:50

only ones that we actually know about.

1:18:54

there's probably many more.

1:18:56

Since I started

1:18:58

wasting money with HSA,

1:19:00

we've saved people's lives.

1:19:02

We've we've saved people from trying

1:19:04

to take it all lives. We've

1:19:07

pulled people through seventy to prevent anyone taking it all lives.

1:19:11

and

1:19:11

we're still picking up the pieces. Start the France, which is

1:19:14

just it was a remodel

1:19:15

of Helzberg. It

1:19:18

was parked. It was definitely parked.

1:19:21

The the bottlenecking, you

1:19:23

know, everything. Steve Steve was

1:19:25

there. He he experienced it

1:19:28

as well. We

1:19:28

had to pour people through that influence

1:19:30

that difference. We led it and

1:19:34

the foundation formed it. which

1:19:36

is a

1:19:37

lessee foundation, which is fantastic because we don't have that kind of wanting

1:19:39

to be able to keep paying for

1:19:41

more and more people

1:19:44

from older

1:19:46

prevented heart disease charges.

1:19:48

He

1:19:48

shouldn't be doing this. It's

1:19:51

it shouldn't

1:19:52

be happening. I listen

1:19:54

to everyone else who's been

1:19:56

talking about different cockroofers. They're

1:19:58

all validated. They're

1:19:59

all these this

1:20:02

is of this due to a push, to push on

1:20:04

up. It's not just

1:20:06

about the hospital. It's about

1:20:10

everybody else, every other

1:20:12

injustice. I'm sorry. I'm gonna cross it

1:20:14

to y'all for something like this. Is

1:20:17

it for?

1:20:27

pieces of spots aren't

1:20:29

here. So

1:20:31

many people with ticket at

1:20:33

the start of France. We've got as

1:20:35

well. Remember, certainly safe. be at the

1:20:37

meeting in the church, pop, fifth people up there, and there's

1:20:39

just so many features that we

1:20:41

all know. We will

1:20:44

all look they were able to

1:20:46

stay in a very, very pathway. And I think that's why we need to fight the toughest for the year.

1:20:48

It's that department to

1:20:51

make sure our names clear

1:20:53

because I don't even have an

1:20:55

awful lot of people besties yet as massively

1:20:57

important. So we're going to the end now, and

1:20:59

I don't think I

1:21:02

can think of some money or fear than

1:21:05

to close this than a woman

1:21:07

that doesn't barely need me

1:21:09

to say anything, barely. So I'll just wait

1:21:11

to welcome my assessment off. Well, really,

1:21:13

I'm only

1:21:14

here to my girl to

1:21:18

sleep, but joking apart, I'd rather

1:21:20

follow all my speakers, each and every one

1:21:23

of the desired truth, justice, and accountability.

1:21:24

But

1:21:27

that must be part of the

1:21:29

pharmaceutical group is to make

1:21:31

sure

1:21:31

that things like

1:21:33

kill spread never ever

1:21:36

happens again. We'd this call

1:21:38

to now at the moment in time, it's in a right mess.

1:21:40

It's in an absolute

1:21:42

mess. And I just that

1:21:44

night school that

1:21:46

blame the party get in. They

1:21:48

do

1:21:48

enough a lot to straighten

1:21:51

what's gone wrong. But hopefully, a

1:21:53

hills per law would maybe be the start of it. That's what

1:21:56

Seven Parbles. that's

1:21:58

what so far And

1:22:00

the simple reason why did we want

1:22:02

to access that I think Charlotte done a very good job there to explain and

1:22:05

what happened to her

1:22:07

as an individual to

1:22:10

add eight

1:22:11

on that. It

1:22:15

was just about

1:22:17

sharched

1:22:19

up, it's about all of

1:22:21

that ninety seven. I got

1:22:24

told my son

1:22:26

died the

1:22:27

same as Charlotte,

1:22:28

five three

1:22:29

fifteen. At the last

1:22:32

eight last from twenty

1:22:34

twelve, that finished in twenty sixteen.

1:22:36

my soul

1:22:37

was one of them that got to being saved.

1:22:39

I only found my own I'm a very

1:22:42

last state of west.

1:22:44

why

1:22:44

is important for all of you to buy

1:22:46

this

1:22:46

house for a long, and I'm very

1:22:49

grateful

1:22:49

to know the likes

1:22:51

of Maria, Steve, Andy,

1:22:54

bed, a lot

1:22:56

of RFPs, I've

1:22:57

been back to families for many,

1:22:59

many years, but also there was

1:23:01

a lot that I did

1:23:03

not trust. tell truth. I don't know

1:23:05

why about anything. But to

1:23:08

me, when I

1:23:10

was made that someone

1:23:12

pays I was startup, and I

1:23:14

had no shame to say it. I was disgusted when we got what meant the event

1:23:18

today, it was distributed.

1:23:22

this

1:23:22

genitalia and wine

1:23:24

was a disgrace. That was given to

1:23:26

us by one of the labor m b's,

1:23:29

and to me, he was a

1:23:31

bloody disgrace. I've also got a phone call from from

1:23:33

a

1:23:36

conservative party. and please

1:23:37

don't think I understand that I have not. But I have got to

1:23:39

be honest and thank Theresa May for

1:23:42

all what she does. Theresa

1:23:44

May.

1:23:48

Yeah. I got to

1:23:49

burn care

1:23:50

because without any help, we

1:23:52

would never go home. But

1:23:54

the last eight by five years old. But what

1:23:57

we did achieve, I worked so

1:23:59

long for

1:23:59

all of

1:24:02

you. is not only about the hills per law, but

1:24:04

this is for the good of

1:24:06

the old nation as I

1:24:08

owe, as years individuals

1:24:11

to get the bloody true than the

1:24:13

best points, to get accountability, to get

1:24:15

told disclosure. We didn't have that. We

1:24:17

were invited to not only

1:24:20

the media, not only

1:24:22

the

1:24:22

people in authority, but women are campaigning to raise votes for

1:24:23

the families to

1:24:27

help to fight

1:24:29

for

1:24:29

name justice by so corrupt and still going on

1:24:31

to this day. What I was meant, it's

1:24:33

still going on

1:24:35

to this day a

1:24:38

corrosion within the system needs to

1:24:41

be bloody changed and until they

1:24:43

all stick together and

1:24:45

stand on

1:24:53

fighting a campaign. You all

1:24:55

be sad to get

1:24:57

the truth. You

1:24:59

all be sad the

1:25:02

payer betrayeders seem to get all the

1:25:04

help, and the victims don't get bloodied poor girl.

1:25:06

Well, by the time this country changed its ways

1:25:11

make it a level playing field. Make sure that

1:25:13

the all gap the same that

1:25:15

scales the balance. Balance the

1:25:17

skin

1:25:18

is because we're

1:25:19

down the then up there and

1:25:22

to me. For all your life, they got rewarded. But

1:25:25

anger's made to

1:25:28

this time.

1:25:28

I love it don't feel

1:25:30

when he was in the courts. There was and the judge, no empathy for drugs and

1:25:33

families who were getting

1:25:35

on our white results.

1:25:36

know why we so

1:25:38

I

1:25:38

was relatively a beautiful woman

1:25:40

at one time, you know? Tell

1:25:42

me you're all locked down. No

1:25:45

point

1:25:45

to hillsborough, stope

1:25:48

to make. Let's put it back in

1:25:50

their own bloody woman. But was aware that yes. Because when

1:25:52

we vote for the

1:25:54

legacy of our ninety seven,

1:25:57

is just

1:25:58

this greed and truth accountability on the state and

1:25:59

most important

1:26:05

all

1:26:05

at the end to get

1:26:07

what you rightfully deserve. So ban this campaign, let's go

1:26:10

let's hope now the consent

1:26:12

department to

1:26:14

the best honorable thing that we

1:26:17

never do, and all of these

1:26:19

their GRJ is

1:26:21

is that the Hillsborough, El

1:26:24

Paso along with the good

1:26:26

labor party, get it. And

1:26:28

I don't ask for it.

1:26:30

I

1:26:30

must be politically mounted nets. for all

1:26:32

of your saints, for the future of this country,

1:26:34

future of this nation, but not one of you, go

1:26:36

through what the

1:26:38

hell's profound years have gone through.

1:26:41

for all

1:26:42

these bloody years and they clapped our mouths out. Everything we want to do.

1:26:44

You can't say don't say not.

1:26:46

Keep your mouth short of it.

1:26:48

right there's a lot of gp about

1:26:50

your father Don't let the

1:26:51

family say anything because there's a case going

1:26:54

on.

1:26:54

There's a cold case going on.

1:26:56

I'm

1:26:56

using old radiology. I wanted

1:26:59

to have a multitude Yeah.

1:27:01

But what you're saying is

1:27:03

not just for the families, but for all survivors who so much,

1:27:08

and went through so

1:27:09

much comfort, blame, and the big thing we don't

1:27:11

for them survivors We

1:27:14

got the truth for them. If you don't

1:27:16

like it, the powers are beat,

1:27:18

don't like