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Hello, and welcome to The Angel

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Rated Show. I'm Angela Bryant,

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and today we're talking about

0:41

Marie Forleo's B-School program.

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But rather than interview the

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founder of the course, instead,

0:48

I've invited a group of B-School

0:48

alumni to share their

0:50

experiences. As a bit of

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background to this episode, it's

0:54

worth noting that B-School runs

0:54

annually and that Marie Forleo

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has previously offered a

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generous affiliate scheme, so

0:59

many people signed up for

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B-School via an affiliate who

1:02

was offering their own program

1:02

or course as a bonus on top of

1:05

B-School. I took B-School back

1:05

in 2013. And coming straight

1:10

from the corporate world, it had

1:10

a massive impact on me. It

1:13

really opened my eyes to a whole

1:13

new world that I didn't know

1:15

existed, and made me believe

1:15

that I could build my own online

1:18

business. It also allowed me to

1:18

become part of the wonderful

1:21

community of fellow online

1:21

business owners, many of whom

1:24

have become close friends. Back

1:24

when I joined B-School, there

1:27

was a community run Facebook

1:27

group, which was then taken over

1:31

by Team Forleo and used as the

1:31

main alumni group for

1:34

B-Schoolers. In 2020, Marie

1:34

Forleo made a number of wrong

1:38

turns in the group in response

1:38

to Black Lives Matter, and

1:41

eventually decided to exit the

1:41

group completely leaving it to

1:44

the community. At the time of

1:44

recording, it's unclear whether

1:48

B-School will have any Facebook

1:48

community in 2021 and beyond, or

1:52

whether there will be any

1:52

affiliate program. So with no

1:55

further ado, let's start by

1:55

getting Astrid, Carla, Charelle

1:59

and Darci to introduce

1:59

themselves.

2:02

Yeah, so I'm

2:02

Astrid Ferguson. And I am a

2:07

Certified Professional Coach,

2:07

which means you know, I can help

2:10

you with life coaching and

2:10

career coaching. I'm a writer

2:15

and I'm a poet.

2:16

My name is Carla

2:16

Diaz, I am a physical therapist

2:21

by profession. But more

2:21

recently, I've decided to move

2:26

out of the health care arena to

2:26

become a health and wellness

2:30

coach. I took B-School earlier

2:30

this year, and I'm really happy

2:34

to share, you know, my

2:34

experience the whole B-School

2:37

experience.

2:39

Hi, my name

2:39

is Charelle Griffith. I am a

2:41

marketing strategist for coaches

2:41

and consultants. I focus on

2:45

taking the overwhelm out of

2:45

marketing. And instead, creating

2:48

marketing strategies are simple

2:48

to follow, showcase my client's

2:51

expertise, and most importantly,

2:51

drive sales. And I first took

2:55

B-School back in 2017.

2:58

So my name is

2:58

Darci Ellenberger. I'm a

3:01

copywriter. I live in

3:01

Pennsylvania in the United

3:04

States.

3:05

So let's start

3:05

with what made you want to take

3:07

the course in the first place?

3:07

What were you expecting to get

3:09

out of it?

3:10

I guess I was

3:10

trying to gain some sort of

3:14

clarity of what I could be doing

3:14

as an entrepreneur, like, I had

3:23

my website, but I had, you know,

3:23

like, I was writing blogs, and

3:26

it was to like crickets. So I

3:26

was like, what should I be

3:30

focusing on? And then what was a

3:30

lead magnet? Like what would

3:34

that look like for someone like

3:34

me? So I went in there going,

3:40

you know, trying to see clarity,

3:40

so to speak, and, and what it

3:45

involved being an entrepreneur

3:45

and how to scale my business.

3:51

So I actually, it

3:51

wasn't on my radar, believe it

3:55

or not to take B-School, like I

3:55

had heard of it. But it wasn't

3:59

the big course of the year that

3:59

I wanted to take. But I actually

4:05

learned more about it and became

4:05

interested through another

4:08

business coach, Amy Porterfield,

4:08

because she was actually

4:13

promoting it. And so I started

4:13

listening. And then I started

4:16

realizing how B-School could

4:16

help me with my business, to

4:22

better promote myself online,

4:22

because I didn't really have an

4:25

education around that. So that

4:25

was the reason why I started

4:29

looking into B-School and it

4:29

seemed like it was going to be

4:32

pretty comprehensive. And I had

4:32

known of Marie Forleo for maybe

4:39

two years listening to her

4:39

podcast, I loved her vibe, and I

4:42

really felt like she would be

4:42

the one to teach me how to be a

4:46

better online marketer. And

4:46

that's why I decided to just on

4:49

a whim kind of join B-School and

4:49

just go for it.

4:54

So I think I

4:54

was following Marie on her

4:57

YouTube channel for a while

4:57

before and I I had a side hustle

5:02

that I felt, if I did, the

5:02

program would probably help me

5:06

to turn it into a proper

5:06

business. Obviously, I have a

5:09

background in marketing, so it

5:09

wasn't necessarily the marketing

5:12

side of things, but I think it

5:12

was more around getting clarity

5:15

around everything it takes to

5:15

run an online business. And it

5:18

seemed to me to be a course that

5:18

was going to help you to do

5:21

that. Going into it, I

5:21

definitely felt that it would

5:25

give me the overall knowledge to

5:25

be able to set up an online

5:28

business successfully.

5:30

I was aware

5:30

of B-School, I've been in the

5:33

online entrepreneurial space and

5:33

learning space for a while, but

5:39

I just never really been willing

5:39

to invest that much. Then one of

5:46

Marie's affiliates, she got me,

5:46

she got me in like the last 12

5:50

hours of the school being open.

5:50

And I was just like, alright,

5:54

I'm just going to do it, I

5:54

needed something to kind of hold

5:56

me accountable, I needed to have

5:56

more at stake so that I

6:03

continued moving forward with

6:03

what I was working on. And I

6:06

trusted the Marie Forleo name

6:06

because it was so established,

6:10

and had so much history behind

6:10

it.

6:14

So tell us a bit

6:14

more about what you really liked

6:16

about it

6:17

I did like that

6:17

she has, you know, things that

6:23

she has you working on and

6:23

really sitting down and thinking

6:27

about who your niche audience

6:27

is. I did like that she has

6:33

those type of activities going

6:33

on in there, there's like a

6:37

vault in there. And everything

6:37

is video based. So you can go

6:42

through it quickly. It's

6:42

seamless, there's a lot of

6:46

information shared, there's,

6:46

it's interactive. And who

6:52

doesn't love looking at Marie

6:52

Forleo, right.

6:56

What I really liked

6:56

honestly, it was even not even

7:00

just the core course itself, but

7:00

she had these two prerequisite

7:04

courses, and one of them was

7:04

called Start the Right Business.

7:07

And for me, that really made it

7:07

clear, because I had heard had

7:10

heard before about what your

7:10

business idea is or what your

7:14

business model is. But I really

7:14

didn't have any real

7:19

understanding of what that was.

7:19

It was just kind of like a

7:22

terminology that was thrown

7:22

around. And so that prerequisite

7:25

course actually helped me to

7:25

solidify what it was that I

7:28

wanted to attempt to achieve

7:28

through B-School, I knew that I

7:33

was going to get an education.

7:33

And overall, it was so

7:37

comprehensive. But I do feel

7:37

like towards the end, because I

7:41

was still kind of new in my

7:41

business, the last two modules

7:44

really didn't apply to me yet.

7:44

So that's why I am looking

7:47

forward to doing a school again.

7:47

That's one of the things that I

7:50

did like like, once you're you

7:50

are join B-School, you're a

7:54

member for life.

7:56

I

7:56

particularly like the structure

8:00

of the program. So whilst it's

8:00

an eight week course, it's six

8:03

modules. And I remember

8:03

particularly the fact they were

8:06

the implementation week in like

8:06

week four and week eight, was

8:08

really useful, because actually,

8:08

it's quite a lot of information

8:12

you're having to work through, there was a lot, it's a very thorough course, I remember

8:14

thinking that was good for me to

8:16

actually be able to work through

8:16

it. And it felt like a very

8:21

comprehensive program in terms

8:21

of I was using it at the time to

8:26

review another business and I

8:26

but I also thought actually, I

8:29

could use this to start a new

8:29

business. And it is most of the

8:32

things that you need to know in

8:32

order to make an online

8:34

business.

8:36

One thing I loved about B-School was that like, it felt fun, and it's not

8:38

dry. And it felt like I had kind

8:43

of found my people because it

8:43

was not so much about make X

8:48

amount of money, as it was about

8:48

doing what you love, and leading

8:53

from your heart. And I really,

8:53

really bought in on that part of

8:58

it, because that really speaks

8:58

to me. And you know, I, of

9:03

course, like making money, but I

9:03

want to be satisfied by more

9:08

than the amount of money in my

9:08

bank account. So I appreciated

9:14

that, at the time, it seemed

9:14

like our values were in

9:18

alignment there.

9:21

So what did you

9:21

think wasn't so great about it

9:24

or what could be improved about

9:24

the course itself?

9:27

Community. I

9:27

think community is what it's

9:30

lacking. I think many people

9:30

took the course because they did

9:35

like the Facebook community. And

9:35

now that that's gone, it feels

9:43

like a very lonely journey.

9:46

Thinking back now,

9:46

my experience is probably more

9:49

favorable because of the fact

9:49

that B-School in itself is kind

9:53

of like a DIY, right? But it's

9:53

it's such a big monster of a

9:57

course that if you don't have

9:57

accountability partners, like if

10:01

you're trying to attempt to go

10:01

it alone, you're going to get

10:05

stuck. There's a lot of stuff

10:05

there that you may not know,

10:08

like, for example, there was the

10:08

website module one that really

10:11

threw a lot of people for a

10:11

loop. And because I had came in

10:17

through Amy Porterfield's

10:17

affiliate offer, I was able to

10:21

fill in that gap. Because her

10:21

community and her team really

10:27

worked hard to make the

10:27

experience as enjoyable and give

10:30

a real community around it.

10:30

Whereas the B-School program

10:34

itself, like they had Q and A's

10:34

that you could, that you could

10:38

sign up for, and they were, you

10:38

know, filmed live. And of

10:42

course, it was available on

10:42

replay if you didn't have the

10:44

opportunity, because it didn't

10:44

fit your schedule to attend it

10:47

live. And they also did have

10:47

like, a section within the

10:51

school where they could you could ask questions, and you would get answers. But if I

10:53

could say that the one thing

10:58

that was kind of lacking was the

10:58

cohesiveness of the community, I

11:01

just kind of feel like, I think

11:01

entrepreneurs now they if it's

11:06

not their first course, they're

11:06

looking for that community feel.

11:09

And in many respects, I feel

11:09

like the B-School experience,

11:14

they didn't have a strong community on its own.

11:17

So

11:17

personally, I think the like

11:20

social media aspect of it is one

11:20

of the most lacking because

11:23

Marie doesn't have a business

11:23

that is focused on social, which

11:26

I think she's quite honest about

11:26

the fact she's not someone who

11:29

loves it. And because she's has

11:29

a business that was made, I

11:34

don't know how many years ago, but it's obviously a long standing business, she can rely

11:36

much more on like her YouTube

11:39

channel and her email. And so I

11:39

think that for someone who's

11:44

newer, it's probably a bit

11:44

lacking. And I think actually,

11:47

after that course, it

11:47

definitely, I have done some

11:50

other courses that are the same

11:50

thing of like, six, eight week

11:53

long and they're meant to do everything. And they're more robust in terms of their social

11:54

side of things. And I think that

11:59

maybe in some ways, it's not as

11:59

cohesive a program about what an

12:05

online business, it could be I

12:05

think they are you are left with

12:08

some holes.

12:11

So in the end, did you achieve what you were hoping to get out of the course?

12:15

It was

12:15

definitely a lot more than I

12:18

thought it was going to be. A

12:18

lot of it didn't apply to me, I

12:22

think it applied to people who

12:22

already had a business and

12:26

already kind of knew what they

12:26

were doing and already had a

12:31

strategy. I think if you have a

12:31

business that like you have a

12:36

product, or you already know

12:36

what the service is, then it

12:40

would help you. But I basically

12:40

took all of B-School and figured

12:45

that, okay, what I need to focus

12:45

on is increasing my list, my

12:52

email list, that's pretty much

12:52

what I got from it. Maybe if I

12:57

went through it, as you know, a

12:57

person as I am now where I'm

13:01

more clear about what I'm doing

13:01

and what I'm providing and that

13:06

type of stuff, then it would be

13:06

more useful. But a lot of the

13:09

stuff that she shared was heavy,

13:09

very heavy on marketing, you

13:14

know, at least that's what I

13:14

found, like she she focused a

13:17

lot on pricing and a lot on, you

13:17

know, different strategies that

13:24

you can use if you're going to

13:24

have workshops, and she did

13:27

share a lot of useful

13:27

information on business and

13:32

scaling, like books and, and,

13:32

and that type of stuff. But

13:38

again, I think it was just where

13:38

I was in my business. It wasn't,

13:43

it didn't really end up being

13:43

what I was looking for at the

13:45

moment.

13:46

Yes, it's one of

13:46

those things. It's like you're

13:49

excited. And you know, like I

13:49

already have kind of like a

13:52

sense that I'm an entrepreneur.

13:52

So I have to kind of be

13:54

coachable and just be open and

13:54

just be willing to learn. So

13:59

yeah, B-School was really a good

13:59

general program. I still feel

14:05

like there's work to be done.

14:05

But I do feel overall that I do

14:10

have the groundwork there. It's

14:10

just a matter of me going back

14:14

and applying and to keep with

14:14

every next level that I get to

14:18

to apply the teachings and I'm

14:18

sure that I would find more

14:22

value out of it. Overall, I

14:22

would still recommend it because

14:25

I don't know of any other course

14:25

that provides that, that MBA

14:30

without actually going to an

14:30

institution. So I just kind of

14:34

feel like B-School overall was a

14:34

good decision for me.

14:41

I think if

14:41

I'm really honest, no, I don't

14:43

think I actually left that

14:43

course feeling as confident

14:47

about the business that I wanted

14:47

to make as I had expected to. I

14:52

think I did have very high

14:52

expectations. I you know, I

14:55

think I'd watched Marie for a

14:55

long time and really thought all

14:57

this is going to change

14:57

everything and I would I got a

15:00

fairly good input and like was

15:00

really active during that

15:04

period. But I also think it's a

15:04

lot to get through in that

15:08

amount of time. And I think

15:08

that's one of the things I think

15:11

if you're going to get do it,

15:11

and you really want to get the

15:13

most out of it, doing it in

15:13

those eight weeks when it's

15:16

live, is the key time to do it.

15:16

But it is a lot of work.

15:20

The course

15:20

content did cover what I

15:22

expected, what I found was when

15:22

I would sit down and work

15:26

through the different chapters,

15:26

even if I didn't necessarily

15:30

need what that module was about,

15:30

because I already had that

15:36

established, or it didn't really

15:36

apply to my business, it's still

15:39

always inspired the creativity

15:39

in me, and got me over my block

15:47

of I can't do this, it's too

15:47

much, it's overwhelming, and got

15:50

me into it, and then into more

15:50

of a flow. So I always came out

15:55

of it with work that I could

15:55

use, even if it wasn't directly

16:00

the answers to her questions. It

16:00

was well that inspired this

16:04

thought which gave me this idea

16:04

which made me think of a new

16:07

product, you know, so for that,

16:07

absolutely, I think that if you

16:12

just need to work through all

16:12

the different angles and and you

16:16

feel blocked doing it on your

16:16

own. I think B-School is very

16:19

good for that.

16:20

So if I asked you

16:20

whether you thought it was worth

16:23

what you paid for it, what would

16:23

you say for that?

16:26

It depends on

16:26

what value you put on it. So if

16:29

you're looking at it from a, I

16:29

want to say physical like

16:33

monetization value, no. Because

16:33

after investing that much in the

16:38

course, I did not make that back

16:38

by the end of the year. But if

16:42

you're looking at it from a

16:42

value of gaining insight,

16:47

gaining some clarity, even

16:47

gaining some resources, then

16:52

yeah.

16:54

I feel it was, I

16:54

feel it was because I can only

16:57

imagine like for me, like I look

16:57

at it this way. Yes, it was a

17:02

lot of money, but it is an

17:02

investment in my business. And

17:05

it's something that I can always

17:05

go back to, I can always in

17:09

every year, there's going to be

17:09

more stuff added to it. So for

17:16

me, I am someone that I need

17:16

information. And I like to have

17:21

to have it accessible at my own

17:21

time and my own convenience. I

17:25

know that other people might

17:25

feel well, I feel like I could

17:27

have gotten more working one on

17:27

one with a business coach. Yes,

17:31

that you could, but for the way

17:31

that I like to learn, I'm kind

17:34

of an independent kind of

17:34

learner. So I do feel overall

17:39

that it was it was worth the

17:39

money. Because I feel that I

17:44

have to see myself as you know

17:44

that I'm I'm worthy of that

17:47

investment. It allowed me to

17:47

also come in contact with a lot

17:51

of other entrepreneurs. And I

17:51

developed a lot of

17:54

accountability partners on my

17:54

own, not through, you know,

17:58

B-School initiative. But it was

17:58

just something that the

18:01

opportunity presented itself and

18:01

I worked with other

18:04

accountability partners. But

18:04

again, that's something that I

18:06

knew beforehand, that to get

18:06

through like a big course like

18:10

this, like you need to have, you

18:10

need to have friends who are

18:13

just as invested in growing and

18:13

learning. So definitely,

18:18

definitely worth my investment.

18:21

So I bought

18:21

it through an affiliate. So not

18:24

only did I get B-School, but I

18:24

bought it through Denise

18:28

Duffield Thomas. So I became a

18:28

member of Money Bootcamp. And

18:31

for that reason, for me

18:31

financially, it was worth it. If

18:35

I was just buying it. If I just

18:35

bought it as a one course and I

18:40

hadn't bought it for anyone

18:40

else, I'm not as convinced that

18:43

I thought it was good value for money.

18:46

For me, the

18:46

course was not worth what I paid

18:49

for it.

18:51

So who do you

18:51

think it would be perfect for

18:54

who would it be good for the

18:54

course?

18:56

I think course

18:56

would be good for someone who

18:59

has some skin in the game that

18:59

has been doing their business

19:04

for a little while they kind of

19:04

already know what they're doing.

19:07

And they're looking to scale

19:07

their business. So if you

19:11

already have a audience, you're

19:11

already you know, you have

19:17

products that you're selling,

19:17

maybe you're already making, I

19:19

don't know, $10,000 a year or

19:19

something. But you're making you

19:23

know, some kind of income, some

19:23

steady income. And you're you're

19:28

looking for what is the next

19:28

thing to do, then, yeah, then

19:33

take B-School, that would be

19:33

B-School is for you. If you're

19:38

new, you don't know what you're

19:38

doing. I don't, I don't think

19:41

it's for you. You're gonna spend

19:41

a lot of money you may gain a

19:44

lot of resources, but many of it

19:44

you may not even end up

19:47

applying.

19:49

I feel that it's the

19:49

perfect course for a beginner to

19:53

maybe intermediate marketer or

19:53

someone who has an idea of what

19:57

they want to do. And someone who

19:57

is is willing to put in the time

20:02

and effort. Who understands that

20:02

the price point alone is that's

20:07

just the beginning of your

20:07

business, you are going to have

20:10

to look into purchasing other

20:10

services or purchasing other

20:14

platforms to grow your business.

20:14

I feel someone that is

20:19

coachable, would definitely and

20:19

resourceful would definitely

20:23

benefit from from joining this.

20:23

And again, like I said, I don't

20:28

know of any other courses that

20:28

are similar to what what Marie

20:31

teaches. So regardless, I mean,

20:31

I don't feel like I need to, I

20:36

don't feel like I need to look

20:36

for another similar course,

20:38

because I feel like she provided

20:38

everything that I needed within

20:42

B-School.

20:45

I think the course is good for someone who is really new to business and

20:47

marketing. So if you are someone

20:51

that currently has an idea, and

20:51

you want to formulate that idea,

20:58

and actually make it into something that might be profitable, like the first

20:59

module is all around, I suppose

21:02

forming your idea and making a

21:02

real profit plan. I think that's

21:05

really useful for someone who's

21:05

new to business. And I would say

21:08

if you have a current business

21:08

that isn't reaching its full

21:13

potential, I think there is

21:13

definitely is value, I think you

21:16

can have a business and be going

21:16

back through all of that, and

21:19

using the course as a sort of

21:19

guide to give you the structure

21:24

to work through it. So maybe if

21:24

you're someone who had a side

21:27

hustle that like blew up quite

21:27

quickly, or you've definitely

21:30

got holes in your structure, and

21:30

you're like, basically like

21:33

plastering things together and

21:33

hoping everything stays up. But

21:36

you're like, No, I want to try

21:36

and go through something in a

21:38

cohesive and comprehensive way

21:38

and check the different

21:41

elements. And I think you'll

21:41

find it useful to.

21:44

The courses

21:44

good for people who want to go

21:48

into business for themselves

21:48

that don't place a high value on

21:52

antiracism work, and

21:52

inclusivity. I mean, if if those

21:58

things aren't a priority to you,

21:58

I think you'll enjoy it.

22:06

And what impact

22:06

is taking the course had on your

22:10

life or your business?

22:12

I want to say

22:12

taking the course, I mean, it

22:16

was good to sit with yourself,

22:16

and understand that whatever

22:23

business you build, you are the

22:23

most unique thing that comes to

22:28

your business. So it should be

22:28

centered around who you are,

22:32

what you enjoy, how you want

22:32

people to view you, what's the

22:36

main message. So that's what I

22:36

want to say the course

22:40

reaffirmed for me, because I

22:40

think I was trying so hard to be

22:47

what I thought people wanted me

22:47

to be. And what I thought in my

22:53

mind, author should look like or

22:53

something like that. And the

22:57

course pretty much just said,

22:57

you know, you are the most

23:02

unique thing that exists. So it

23:02

should be authentically you. You

23:09

know, I think that's what I

23:09

gained most about the course. It

23:13

helped me with, you know, my

23:13

writing my copy too.

23:15

I think I just gave

23:15

me permission and just let me

23:20

see what the possibilities were

23:20

I just it just it's really like

23:25

you go in saying okay, I want to

23:25

do this. And then going through

23:29

the actual journey. It's the

23:29

process that kind of refines

23:33

what your message is, it refines

23:33

what your business is going to

23:36

be. And so having those

23:36

teachings and knowing that I can

23:42

always go back and when I have a

23:42

new business idea, I can go back

23:45

and do B-School again for that

23:45

business idea. Because it is it

23:47

is applicable to whatever I want

23:47

to do like whether if I want to

23:52

work on a coaching business, or

23:52

if I want to do online courses,

23:55

or create a product related to

23:55

you know, health and wellness, I

24:00

mean, I can always go back to

24:00

B-School and take the modules

24:04

again, to perfect, what it is

24:04

that I'm trying to bring to the

24:07

world. So I think that that is I

24:07

feel assurance that I have a

24:13

good source of information to go to.

24:16

I think it's

24:16

really hard to say because I

24:18

have done a lot of other things.

24:18

And I don't feel as if it has

24:24

dramatically changed, like

24:24

changed it in a way. I think it

24:30

was useful to go through it and

24:30

it definitely gave me a lot of

24:34

learnings and it did help me to

24:34

reflect on a lot of stuff and to

24:37

change things but I don't have

24:37

that sort of like bing you know,

24:40

all of a sudden now I was

24:40

writing emails that were 10

24:42

times better or like there was

24:42

nothing that's a dramatic impact

24:46

that I could tell you about.

24:49

I would say

24:49

that the total impact of the

24:53

course for me is that I am

24:53

several $1,000 less well off and

24:58

really all I got for it was

24:58

stress and upset. I got I got

25:02

some inspiration there in the

25:02

beginning. And I will say that I

25:05

connected with some really

25:05

amazing people in the group. And

25:09

that's fantastic. But I cannot

25:09

credit that to B-School. So what

25:14

have I gotten from the school? A

25:14

couple of ideas and a whole lot

25:18

of stress.

25:21

So would you take

25:21

another course by Marie Forleo?

25:26

As much as I

25:26

love her, probably not. Yeah,

25:32

probably probably not.

25:32

Especially if it's that

25:34

expensive again.

25:37

I actually did. I

25:37

signed up for her Copy Cure

25:42

course, like right after, like,

25:42

in May when it was released. So

25:47

yeah, definitely, I would take

25:47

another course of hers, because

25:50

I do like her style. She's

25:50

entertaining. She's very

25:53

knowledgeable. And I've

25:53

purchased her book, Everything

25:57

is Figureoutable so yeah, I'm

25:57

definitely a Marie Forleo fan.

26:02

So I have

26:02

considered doing Copy Cure

26:06

before. And part of me just

26:06

feels like her marketing is so

26:10

great that I'm probably gonna

26:10

have got sucked in and will it?

26:13

Will it deliver? Again, as I

26:13

said, I, I would say I probably

26:17

would do something else again.

26:17

But Copy Cure hasn't got me

26:19

across the line yet. So we'll

26:19

have to wait and see.

26:24

No,

26:24

absolutely not. I won't put my

26:27

money with someone who I know is

26:27

not interested in being anti

26:35

racist. So and in protecting

26:35

marginalized communities?

26:40

Because it goes much it goes

26:40

deeper than racism, absolutely

26:44

racism needs to be addressed.

26:44

Now. It's long overdue. And I'm

26:50

not gonna participate in spaces

26:50

or or, you know, vote with my

26:57

dollars with businesses that are

26:57

willing to harm anyone.

27:01

And would you recommend the course to someone who asked you about it?

27:05

I would have to

27:05

ask them where they're at. If

27:07

they feel like you know,

27:07

depending on what they're

27:09

looking for, if they tell me,

27:09

you know, they're already a

27:14

established entrepreneur, and

27:14

they're looking to scale then

27:17

yeah. But if they would say that

27:17

they were in my same boat, I

27:22

would be like, you're gonna

27:22

spend all that money just to

27:24

find out that you already had an

27:24

inkling of where you should have

27:28

started. So just save yourself

27:28

some money and start there.

27:34

I would, I would

27:34

definitely tell them that, but I

27:37

would tell them to do it through

27:37

Amy Porterfield's affiliation,

27:42

because that to me, again, I

27:42

know, this is not about Amy

27:44

Porterfield but just the

27:44

experience that she created for

27:47

her students really made the

27:47

B-School experience what it was

27:51

for me, I think without it, I

27:51

think I probably would have

27:55

ranked it lower. That's how

27:55

impressed I was by by Amy's way

28:00

of bringing us into B-School.

28:04

So I have

28:04

recommended B-School to people

28:06

in the past. There's definitely

28:06

some times because the type of

28:09

people that approached me, I

28:09

have recommended it. However,

28:12

for me, one of the most valuable

28:12

things has been the Facebook

28:15

group. And because that now

28:15

currently is under question

28:18

about what's going to happen for

28:18

next year, I wouldn't recommend

28:20

it right now.

28:22

No, I mean,

28:22

and I'd probably say what I'm

28:26

saying now, because I think if

28:26

I'm just like, oh, Marie Forleo

28:32

is racist, like people are gonna

28:32

be like, wait, that can't be

28:35

right. Like, there's got to be

28:35

more context than that, which is

28:37

why I try and stay neutral and

28:37

say, it's not a bad course. It

28:42

can help you work on the

28:42

foundation of your business, and

28:46

it can help you get over

28:46

roadblocks and find inspiration.

28:51

But it professes to be one

28:51

thing. And that is heart led and

28:57

it is not that. So if that is a

28:57

deal breaker for you, I don't

29:03

recommend it. And ideally,

29:03

anyone I know that would be

29:07

asking me for recommendation,

29:07

hopefully is anti racist. And

29:11

I'd be like, well, she doesn't

29:11

protect her black members. And

29:14

they'd be like, Oh, no, then I'm out.

29:17

And just to

29:17

finish up, can you summarize in

29:20

a sentence or two just what you

29:20

want people to know about the

29:24

course?

29:26

Sure. So

29:26

B-School is what is stands for,

29:31

you know, it's business school.

29:31

So you're going to learn all

29:33

about business, you're going to

29:33

learn all about marketing. Marie

29:37

is the queen of marketing. So if

29:37

you want to learn about

29:42

marketing and you're looking to

29:42

scale your business up to the

29:45

next biggest thing, then

29:45

B-School is absolutely for you.

29:51

I would say that it

29:51

is a all around it is a solid

29:57

introduction to what online

29:57

business marketing can be And

30:00

where it can take your business.

30:00

And I guess what I would say is

30:04

that since having taken B-School

30:04

and since, you know, joining

30:08

other communities around other

30:08

business courses, for example,

30:13

if I can speak to like, right

30:13

now I'm in Amy Porterfield

30:16

Digital Course Academy, I feel

30:16

like going through the school

30:21

first has really helped me to

30:21

appreciate what Amy's doing in

30:26

Digital Course Academy. And I

30:26

have met other entrepreneurs who

30:31

signed up for Digital Course

30:31

Academy without taking B-School.

30:37

And I always tell them, you need

30:37

to take B-School, you know,

30:40

because B-School gives you the

30:40

clarity that you need to

30:45

understand, what is your

30:45

message? What is your product,

30:49

like? Who are you serving? And

30:49

like I said, that's, that's

30:53

pretty much what I would say

30:53

about it. So definitely it is it

30:56

is a prerequisite, I would feel

30:56

into whatever it is that you

31:00

want to bring out into the world

31:00

as an online entrepreneur. It's

31:04

a it's a good starting point.

31:07

So I think

31:07

Marie Forleo B-School is a

31:09

comprehensive course, if you

31:09

want to start a new online

31:12

business. However, Marie is an

31:12

online business that wasn't

31:15

formed in the last couple of

31:15

years. So I think that's

31:17

important to think about it

31:17

realistically, it's probably one

31:20

of the older online businesses

31:20

and therefore that is reflected

31:24

on how the program is structured

31:24

and what the content is. I think

31:28

it is comprehensive. However,

31:28

you would really need to think

31:33

about what level of support you

31:33

feel you need to be able to even

31:38

launch your business or to make

31:38

the changes that you need inside

31:40

of it.

31:42

Okay, my two

31:42

sentence, B-School review. The

31:47

business advice is great. She

31:47

does not live up to her

31:50

professed values. And that is a

31:50

deal breaker for me. If all you

31:55

want to take out of B-School is

31:55

the lessons pertaining to the

31:59

business and working through the

31:59

steps to define your business. I

32:04

think it's very good for that. I

32:04

would not buy into B-School

32:09

knowing what I know now I would

32:09

not buy into B-School in any way

32:14

for the community.

32:16

And you want to

32:16

just tell people where they can

32:18

find you and your business.

32:21

Yeah, you can

32:21

find me at astridferguson.com.

32:25

Everything is on there. My

32:25

Instagram, which is A S T R I D

32:30

underscore Ferg F E R G.

32:35

So I my website is

32:35

heycarladiaz.com. So you can

32:39

find me there. I'm also on

32:39

Instagram at HeyCarlaDiaz.

32:45

Yep, so you can find me at charellegriffith.com so that's C

32:47

h A R E double L E. And then

32:52

Griffith is G R I double F I T H

32:52

and that is the same on

32:57

Instagram. But yet that's the

32:57

best place to find me.

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